Warhammer 40k general

>>51096707
Actual current general here >>51094350
Come back to this one when it autosages

Which black library author do you hate the most?

Which one do you think is underrated?

>>51096870
Laurie Goulding

Chris Wraight

do you guys have an example of "standard tabletop" paintjob, im just curious as in my life i only saw either pro painted stuff or grey tides

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>>51098574
This is in the quick and dirty low end of the range:

>>51098600

A few quick notes:
> Mold lines are mostly cleaned up.
> Good variety of colors, no major detail is missed.
> Clean painting, not haphazardly slopped on.
> Shaded (too much in this case).

Tabletop/10.

>>51098700
Did say quick n' dirty, my first try with quicskshade, so i shook it (don't, it should be stirred) and i let it settle instead of shaking off excess.

After i noterd some stuff i should have picked out, like the armband, eyes, lip an skin piercings.

I think in all i put 10 minutes of active work into the painting so I'm satisfied.

What's the best way to start list building?
Coming in from outside the hobby it's really daunting, and I don't want to waste money on models I'll never use.

>>51098876
Play by proxy, get some loan games in, start small, decide what you want out of the game.

How is the Dakkajet wing?

The Tank Hunter against other Flyers is odd, but I suppose it has it's uses.

Or is it better to go with Sky Boss Wing Nutz Air Armada?

Is there any such thing as default units for space marine lists?
Like units that are mandatory for any space marine army regardless of chapter?

>>51099092
tacticals

>>51099079
It's not so much that Dakkajets are bad, so much that Orks are not a reserve army, and taking them weakens your board presence, and they don't get army-based reserve modifiers to use them.

When they work, they're amazing. The problem is you have to build your army around them. :/

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Would people at your local FLGS be okay with someone fielding a multi-army list like this?

I kind of started it with a rant, but how do you guys deal with Daemons? What are you supposed to target/strategize against? At every point level I've ever played against them, they annoy me to no end because they just don't fucking die except for like a couple of the basic daemons or a few wounds off the slightly bigger ones (bloodcrushers, exalted flamers, etc.) and the HQ's are essentially unkillable.

>>51099079
Flyers have much lower armour in general, at s6 you can expect to be able to damage them on 4s - 6s so it's a good buff.

But if it's anti-air you're after then take a traktor kannon, it's one of the few legit good units in the Ork codex and is one of the best anti-air guns in the game.

So I gotta ask, has anyone tried to run a Deathwatch Campaign set during the Badab war?

>>51099136
now that i think about it, i could have fit in some grey knights too...

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This is my current CSM list (meaning not just theoryhammer). I'm actually having fun with it, it's doing better than I thought it would. Lots of little "tricks" for something which is so generic.

>>51099144

>it's one of the few legit good units in the Ork codex and is one of the best anti-air guns in the game.

And the thing people tend to expect and dispatch right away.

>>51098855
That's what I was worried about

>>51099006
Not too crazy about the Iron hands stufd, though a Stormravwn might be a good fit. Also, by Sicaran, do you mean the giant tank? I didn't think those were transports, unless you're just suggesting a full armored company.

>>51099138
What army are you playing and what kind of Daemon armies are you playing against?

>>51098929
what is this exactly?
>>51098929
I play inquisition too (and infinity shh)

>>51099172

Word Bearers are an absolute blast in TL - my buddy plays them and we've been having tons of fun games with them.

>>51099187
Grey Knights, and it's usually against a Tzeench/Khorne list. Sometimes he shakes it up with some Nurgle. But even then, everyone in the group struggles against Daemons except for our Eldar guy, but he also plays BA and just about every army is represented in our group.

>>51099259
i would imagine that orks and nids would do fine against daemons?

>>51099192
an example from the "blancheitsu" section of white dwarf of a tech-priest conversion based on blanches artstyle.

>>51099236
What's been really hilarious is having 2 Psykers in a Warband (which is honestly the main reason I took Scrolls of Magnus). I lucked out and rolled Sunburst on my first turn with my Lord, and my opponent screwed up while trying to rush me with lots of Reavers. He had taken Arena Champs to "Look Out Sir" his Cluster Caltrops, and that bit him in the ass.

I cast one Sunburst, killed off 2 Arena Champs and 2 Solarites in one single well-placed Nova, and had to make 8(!) rolls for Champion of Chaos. I was sadly not near my Sorcerer (who was the Warlord and rolled the "Modify Boon rolls by +-1) result, but my Disc Lord basically became Evil Smashfucker, 4 wounds, T6, 2+ armor save rerolls...

...hilarity overall.

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SO HOW THE FUCK DO YOU DEAL WITH PINK HORRORS?

>>51099303

What's giving you the most concern from them?

>>51099303
Kill them.

>>51099278
Less of a struggle than I have, but it's still really hard for them. It doesn't help that the Daemons player has stupid fucking luck, either.

So what are some things that 40k has directly influenced?
Like how big of an impact has it had on things overall?

>>51099345
>the Daemons player has stupid fucking luck
i mean, theres a reason you embrace chaos, but for daemons you can roll super lucky sometimes, and get crazy bonuses

>>51099348
>So what are some things that 40k has directly influenced?

Starcraft was obviously influenced by Rogue Trader.

>>51099328

They split into blue, then split into brimstone.

Even if you wipe the entire squad, you still have two more squads to deal with. And that is if you wipe the squad, if even one model is alive you then need to wipe out two squads....

I had a problem dealing with them splitting, and splitting, and after turn five I realized I hadn't even completely wiped out a single unit of pink horrors due to having brimstone and blues left running around.

Only thing I can think of is assault. That should probably do the trick. I think.

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>>51099303

>>51099348
we cannot do your art history homework for you

>>51099381
they are tarpit, just go around

What's /tg/ up to tonight?

Painting, assembling, shitposting?

I'm painting some Kataphron destroyers, but fuck all those wires and crevices.

>>51099367
It gets annoying when it's every single game. I've never actually won against him.

>>51099397
Mother fucker I'm an accountant, I don't do history. However I do get my jolly's when I learn about things that cause inspiration.

>>51099429
are you playing the objectives? or just trying to purge chaos?

>>51099421
Building some Imperial Guardsmen, occasionally reading Wrath of Magnus between models and posting here.

>>51099259
>>51099348
How about taking some allies with a lot of firepower? An Imperial Knight (Paladin or Crusader) for that sweet Autocannon and some D's for example? Or a bunch of IGs for massed Lasgun fire?

What is your opinion on new players without paint on the models?

Also if my first game is 1000 points, is that too much? I have the models for it, assembled but not yet painted. Should I play something smaller first? The game is this Saturday.

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>official model
>not red like any of the first Google results
Am I missing something here or is this peppermint abomination the "official" color scheme?

>>51099421
been doing a lotta mediocre shoops trying to make the new lord of change work aesthetically.

>>51099381

Gotcha - what I've been doing to deal with that is kill them down to 2-4 models and keep them there for awhile before killing them in later turns. Basically the idea is I'm not going to stop them from scoring so I'd rather reduce their damage output while I work on contesting their objectives/scoring my own. Basically I don't let them pop into large units.

>>51099236
>>51099302
>tfw can have ML4 Psyker or ML1 Khornate as Warlord

>>51099421
assembling a skitarii dragoon, and thinking about painting some rangers

>>51099185
T7 because of artillary rules so regular weapons bounce off.

- save so grav weapons bounce off.

You would need some kind of ignores cover poisoned weapon.

>>51099421

Tried basing Skitarii in white previously, but I do not like how paint goes on that primer. Doing it again with black primer. Going to try the same with my Harlequins if they turn out alright.

Also considering terrain to buy for Kill Team campaigns. Looking for dense terrain, and probably a lot of scatter terrain and potential objective markers as well.

>>51099459
Scheme is reverses and used pure white instead of bone.

>>51099459
Peppermint? White and Red?

That's the Metalica Forge World scheme, by the way. The default red one is Mars.

>>51099459

It isn't the 'official' color scheme from GW's website.

>>51099421

Just finished a Wraithknight - working on a Farseer now

>>51099459

That, I believe, is Metallica's paint scheme. They've changed it up a few times, hence why a lot of Tau aren't the standard Ochre.

>>51099476
That's next on my list to add to my AdMech, I love those models

>>51099462
Shops aren't really going to change it. The contrast/balance levels on GW's product images are out of wack thanks to their post-processing. Even the 360 images aren't super accurate.

If I were 'eavy metal, I'd be a little peeved at how 90% of your work gets obliterated by the photo editing.

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>>51099459
its the uh... second variant for skitarii color schemes, the model looks way too clean though. I'm doing my skitarii in Ryza - which is the desert orange color (i fondly refer to them as Tau'Skitarii)

>>51099467
Horrors are unique though in that since they're a "Brotherhood of Psykers" unit, their damage output is independent of their unit size. A single Horror can cast a Flickerfire the same a 10-Horror unit can.

Usually Horrors are there as "Batteries" for something more dangerous. MSU is your friend; hit them in assault (they don't overwatch, at least unless they hide an Exalted Flamer in their ranks) and they crumble, no splits.

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>>51099459

>>51099441
I try to play the objectives mostly because I know I can't wipe out squads of Daemons with the state that the GK codex is in. I usually end up losing by like 3 or more points. And while Dreadknights are the best unit in our codex, I go in expecting nothing from them and still get disappointed by them.

>>51099444
I've been wanting a Knight Crusader for maximum BRRRRRRRT and have all the painting planned out for it, but I just don't have the cash right now. I tried IG to minimum success. Best thing they did was vs his KDK list and the Platoon Commander managed to hold off a Maulerfiend in combat for a turn after watching his squadmates get ripped apart by rolling double 1's on the morale test. I still lost heartily, though.

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>>51099546
Ooh. I like this scheme.

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>>51099552
>>51099546
This is the color scheme im going for, not started on the walker yet though

>>51099546
Ryza is a brighter orange than the Tau.

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>>51099484
>>51099500
>>51099504
>>51099509
Okay, so this is a lot less contrasting and easier on the eyes than the one he painted. I understand now.

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Is it that bad?

>>51099611
>>51099627

Hivemind

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>>51099632
I mix it with jokero a bit, but yeah, i like mine sorta dirty, but im in love with this color scheme

>>51099549

Yeah but once they're ML1 they're far less dangerous. They're not an effective battery anymore and they're not able to dedicated as many dice to trying to get effective with FF. If you can assault them and break them its great but for many armies isn't ideal. As an Eldar player I generally just limit their battery impact and then I'm better able to control them.

>>51099678
I love that model.

He's like one of those 19th century hunters.

Umbubu! My Tyranid Gun, please!

>>51099667
my ryza rangers are still WIP and sloppy otherwise I'd share, but they really do look awesome. I find the red to be just a bit too boring, and black to be too dark, and the blues and teals too difficult to pull off

>>51099478

I thought Mek Gunz had a 3+ save?

>>51099713
its hard to see but there is like a driver embedded into it, below the guy seated - and he's like a latex gimp :) I love it

>>51099732
the guns do, the crew don't, gun only grants the T

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>>51099421
>trying to give some character to my kriegers with stuff like goggles and pouches on the helmets so i can tell them apart other than the pose

>cleaning up that dot camo i posted earlier for my vanquisher

>finished trying to see if pic related needs more work

>still negletting my dark eldar

>>51099459
>Not liking Metal(l)ica
Get out.

>>51099776
>character
>Kriegers

Anon you picked the wrong Regiment.

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>>51099747
you can see him here, painted in the original way, without a latex hood, but i keep my gimps hooded.

Also the rad sniper variant may look neat, but its garbage on the table - the tazer lance variant is an anti-dread sprinting walker with 4++ saves from shooting, its great

>>51099759

Well you still use the majority armor save (which granted is rarely the artillery's 3+)

I really want to get into this hobby, but how do I start? I have read the 40k fluff, and I want to start collecting, but how do I justify the price? How hard is it to paint decently well? Whete do I play?

>>51099808
I like how they never stop running. Even when they transport them.

They're all Perpetual Motion machines, unless they stop moving, then they never start again.

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>>51099796
what about Hotline Mars-ami :)

>>51099834
Get a start collecting box for your faction if you have one. Get a codex and core rules too.

If you don't have a start collecting box for your faction, you'll want to get a HQ choice and two Troops choices.

It's not really any more expensive than any other hobby. Especally if you only buy a unit a month or something.

Your local gaming store or if you have one, a Games Workshop store.

>>51099834
Painting to a tabletop standard isn't that hard, watch some tutorials, Warhammer TV's Duncan has a fuckload of them and they're really great for beginners.

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>>51099776

I use the same model for my steel legion senior officer.

Little bit of a stupid question.

Returning to my Imperial Guard roots after playing Marines for years.
I've managed to throw together 3 x 10 man squads of Cadians. 1 x 10 man squad of Catachans, 1 x 10 Stormtroopers. One Russ. One Armoured Sentinel and one Command Unit. I've got a lord commissar and a regular commissar on the way.

Should I go towards picking up a couple Chimera, some Heavy Weapons Teams or another couple of Sentinels.

>>51099834
>how do I justify the price?
Do you want it enough?
It's not just a game, it's a hobby, a social thing, a setting and a game lastly.
Nowhere worth it if all you want is a game.

>How hard is it to paint decently well?
Practice is 95% of it.

>Where do I play?
Friends, clubs, gamestores

>>51099478
or just play GSC like every asshole today and assault turn one to victory.

>>51099834
first of all, get yourself a rulebook, if you don't have one already.
GW has put out some really good starter kits, get some snapfit space marines (even if you want to do another army, space marines are ALWAYS a really good starting point), a basic brush, cutters, and some plastic glue.
as for painting, WELL.... that just takes time. some people are better at it naturally, others get there through trial and error. you'll get there, just keep at it.
the price? there's no getting around that. nor justifying it. prepare to lose all your money.

>>51099879
I dont own any factions, but im thinking astra Astra militarum to start out with. I always loved tanks. Would that be a good place to start?

>>51099937
Are you playing Eldar or Tau?

>>51099914
too bad, because the steel legion commander is really cool!

also thats a really fine model anon! Love it!

>>51099954
> Would that be a good place to start?
honestly? i'd recommend some tactical marines be your starters. they're really good for practice

>>51099834
>how do I justify the price?
go slowly - when you buy your first thing, don't just assemble it and run to buy a new thing, paint it up, finish it, then buy something else - it will take a while to do that, and by then, another 30$ won't seem like much for weeks or months of painting and assembly.
Learn to play the game before you do anything else, vassal is for free, but hard to get into, or if you have tabletop simulator, its easy to start playing - I always field test stuff before i go to buy it, to make sure it something i might want to actually use on a tabletop game

>>51099812
You don't use majority saves in this edition. All Wounds are allocated to the closest model and resolved against it until it's dead, then you move on to the next.

>>51099983
word of caution - if you're in it for the painting and assembly, marines are SUPER boring; and might put you off

>>51099918
I would personally grab some Chimera. They help get your guys where they need to be at a decent pace. And if you've already got a Leman Russ, then you can present a nice armoured front.

I hope Exodites are decent on the table if they ever come out... If not, I hope that my Dark Eldar can get some love soon.

>>51099478

>How is the Dakkajet wing?

All the Ork flyers are pretty lackluster. Ever since WAAAGH doubling Dakkajet shooting was nerfed down to +1 shot, they're frankly not very good sources of dakka. Previously they were good for coming on, calling a WAAAGH, dakkaing the living shit out of something and then watching them crash and burn the next turn.

Probably out of the three squadrons I'd say the Burna Bomber one is the best, simply because it provides us with our only source of ranged Ignore Cover. That being said, it's not particularly good since it's basically a ranged flamer. Theoretically the Blitz-Bomber is the best because it provides us with ranged anti-tank, something we're grossly lacking in, but it's large-blast and only Ap2, meaning that it's actually pretty bad at doing what it's meant to do, and on top of that, it's random as to whether you successfully drop a bomb or not.

>>51099478

Or anything that makes them take a Morale check. LD5 is a bitch.

>>51099937
That's what you get for playing a gunline army like a pansy bitch.

>>51100003

Not per the grav FAQ.

>>51099972
Orks dipshit. Nice try at deflecting though. Oh we are not as bad because other bad things exist.

Talk to me again in 3 months when your friends are sick of your shit, and constantly telling you what a scrub army you have, how anyone can autopilot to win, ect.

>>51100044
Oh right we were discussing grav, my bad.

Jesus Christ, when is somebody finally going to end this torture and reveal full Belisarius Cawl rules?

Knowing that his Canticles give AoE Invuln/BS/WS/HP for vehicles, that his Arc Scourge is a super-melta and that he has a super Arc Claw is nice and dandy but I need the full rules and weapon stats.

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>>51099474
The Disclord army is pretty dope overall. I personally like the ML 1 Psyker Defiler though. I have a leftover Necrosphinx I'm going to convert to an Ectofiend too.

I have a list I'm planning to build in addition to the other list; the Defiler is Warlord of course. Blight Grenades instead of a Malefic Tome for guarding vs charges. Combi-Melta on Warpsmith for double-tapping. Fiends for popping transports/Void Shields (and they get reusable Daemonforge).

Herald does Divination because Prescience is rather handy.

>>51100046
Orks lose to literally everything, why are you bitching about GSC?

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Some cocky kid challenged my green tide with his guard ultimate infantry blob list that he built purposefully against it, Is this a brutal enough retaliation?

HQ: 205pts
- Big Mek with Mega Force Field (120pts)
- Big Mek with KFF (85pts) (Warlord)

Troops: 210pts
3x Min boyz squads with shootas (70pts each)

Heavy Support: 540pts
3x Big squiggoths (180pts each)

LoW: 545pts
Gargantuan Squiggoth - 4xBig Shootas, 2xTL Big Shootas, 2x Supa-Lobba (545pts)


>tfw the general list builder doesn't have any Forgeworld or models

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>>51099937
>getting up close to THE melee army
WHOA WHOA WHOA
BUDDY
Do you know
Who you're messing with?
Orks are not only a melee army, they're THE melee army
Are you sure
YOU WANT TO CHARGE THAT?

>>51100026
That's why you stick a mek in it.

>>51099918
Heavy weapons will help, but >>51100010 is a good point too. Unlike Mahreens, it sometimes helps to shape the guard to your play style. If you like to stay alive and rely on mobility, Sentinels and Chimera can go along way. If you want to hit hard, Tanks and Heavy weapons are your best friend

>>51100072
Personally Im more interested in the Grand Crusade detachment, sounds like a way to make an army of nothing but Imperium and that sounds rad as fuck, I wonder if Eldar will get something similar to mix Dark and Craftworld armies.

>>51100046
>how anyone can autopilot to win, ect.
GSC is the least autopilotable of the top tier armies.

>>51100027
Not the same dude, but did you know that the general consensus is that GSC are total bullshit? I mean besides the guys in the thread that play them that are obviously going to chime in with "nuh uh, lurn tu plae, dont bring shooty to a choppy fight"

>>51100102
If you're fighting guard blobs, bring big templates and lots of salvo/assault weapons.

>>51100133

Lol are you back again?

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>>51100133
>GSC is the least autopilotable of the top tier armies.

>>51098600
Get a good matt varnish and it will look much better

>>51100109
>I2.

My 20 genestealers and broodlord lost all of 3 genestealers the whole game, while eating about 1200 points of orks.

>>51100046
>>51100152

Jokes on you m8 I don't even play 40k yet.

>>51100010
>>51100112
Thanks my dudes, Chimeras it is.

>>51100178
>>51100133

It's this guy - the guy who thinks rolling on charts for a better than 50% chance (on 1 roll, which discounts that every unit is going to get 2 rolls) is 'skillz'.

>>51099303
Scatterbikes

>>51100178
>Jokes on you m8 I don't even play 40k yet.
Elite autism

>>51099796
That one is TOO white though anon

>>51100136
That's the general consensus from armchair generals who don't actually play the fucking game.

Space Marines, Eldar and Daemons are all WAY more bullshit. GSC are an entire army made of glass and their only cheese is a single psychic power.

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>>51100210
>implying that's a bad thing.

>>51100118
I just hope it's flexible to allow use of pretty much any Imperial unit combined with any other Imperial unit. Or at least allow god damn Crusaders to be used in said Grand Crusade.

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>>51100133
>GSC is the least autopilotable of the top tier armies.

>>51099860
I'm loving 1, 4, 5, and 6. Hell, all of these are pretty good. Is there a paint guide for them somewhere?

Well, my desire to start another space marine army is INSATIABLE

Time to write out some deathwatch lists.

Definitely I'll start with a start collecting box and work from there

>anti-GSC fag samefagging
Sad.

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1500 point list for a tourney at the end of the month.

Thoughts?

>>51100133
>GSC is not autopilot

>dice determines whether you shoot or assault that turn

ok

>>51099678
Someone on the design team is a fan of dishonoured

>>51100214

No that's the consensus from people who play the game. It isn't a glass cannon army when your glass cannon comes back, violates half the rules of deployment, and if you aren't a fucking moron is easier to pilot than scatbikes. At least there is a decision to made on weather or not to jink there.

>>51099546
> OFFICIAL COLOUR SCHEME FOR SKITARII
> GUYS, IF I DON'T PAINT MY SKITARII WHITE I'LL GET BANNED FROM GAMES WORKSHOP
> GUYS IF I DON'T PAINT MY SPACE MARINES BLUE I'LL GET BANNED FROM GAMES WORKSHOP
> GUYS IF I DON'T PAINT MY CSM BLACK I'LL GET BANNED FROM GAMES WORKSHOP
> GUYS IF I DON'T PAINT MY TAU WHITE I'LL GET BANNED FROM GAMES WORKSHOP
> GUYS IF I DON'T PAINT MY ELDAR FAGGOT RAINBOW-MODE I'LL GET BANNED FROM GAMES WORKSHOP

Fuck off nigger, just paint them however you want. Nobody is forcing you to paint anything white.

>>51100239
my first thought is that you're a faggot

NEVER POST SCREENSHOTS OF PHONES YOU FUCKING RETARD HOLY SHIT HOW STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE? HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO READ THE 40K RULEBOOK? WHO AM I KIDDING THIS IS TG YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ THE FUCKING THING

but seriously though download the list as an image and then repost it so the text is readable

>>51100232

They were recolors off the base, done for fun with the Skitarii release for inspiration. No painting guide for them, since they're essentially just photoshops.

>>51100214
>entire squads can teleport around the table
>if you don't get close to them they get all their points back
>can charge out of reserves anywhere on the map randomly
>sometimes pop up and shoot twice
>not broken garbage

I like playing a game with rules not rolling dice to see what happens

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>>51100133
>>51100214

I...I can't even...have you ever seen a game end on the TOP of turn one, I have. GSC completely destroyed a balanced imperial guard army. He had 2 tanks at the end of top of one, due to about 6 units getting a 6 on that chart. Literally took the guys longer to set the game up than play it.

Would a full army of Legion of the Damned work?

>>51100247
Jesus this argument is so retarded I don't know where to begin addressing it.

Do you ever just encounter something so braindead you don't have the energy to explain the entire foundation of information they must lack in order to even think such a dumbass thing?

>>51100232
a couple of them have the painting guide of "step 1: buy an airbrush, step 2: master said airbrush"

>>51100264
Wat.

Anon, are you okay?

>>51100301
no

>>51098795

I'm just saying that there's little reason why that wouldn't be an acceptable tabletop standard (especially for the little time you put into it).

Case in point, I'd totally let that guy walk over my Harlequins in a game.

>>51100294

HA! Pic related.

But seriously even the tau dont deserve to lose on deployment. Ironically with interceptor and markerlights, and army wide overwatch, they are probably one of the armies that stands the best chance.

>>51100302
only when I have no good counter arguement and I say something like that to deflect from my losing arguement.

Then I say something like what you said, yes.

>>51100327
>orks
>beat harlequins
>ever

kek

>>51100288
>>entire squads can teleport around the table
>takes two turns to do so and can't be done if an enemy is nearby
>>>if you don't get close to them they get all their points back
>getting back d6 8pt or 5pt models if you somehow manage to keep alive 5 T3 dudes in t-shirts
>>can charge out of reserves anywhere on the map randomly
>less than 1-in-3 chance to do this even with the guys in the Formation that buffs the ambush mechanic
>>sometimes pop up and shoot twice
>with fucking autpistols lol
>>not broken garbage
Learn to deploy faggot.

>I like playing a game with rules not rolling dice to see what happens
>implying this doesn't describe literally all of 40k

>>51100302

Pretty solid deflection there kid.

>>51100357
It's not worth teaching you literally everything about 40k in order to have this debate in the first place if you think that the entire game boils down to whether a unit shoots or assaults.

>>51099136

I think that's a cool list, it's basically an old inquisitors army with deathwatch instead of Grey Knights.

Plus it's interesting and fairly fluffy and not a waac Riptide army.

Would play against/10

>>51100357
>>51100396
Samefagging again, I see.

>>51099611
>>51099627


Looks like Crabgot from League of Legends

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>>51100408

Try again.

You're just a faggot who can't accept you play one of the easiest top tier armies to play.

What ratio water:paint should I have if I'm trying to make a glaze?

>>51099391

underrated post

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>>51100267
better?

>>51100301
You would need at least one thing that isn't Legion of the Damned. Could be a squad, could be a tank, could be an HQ, but it has to be something.

>>51100464
yes thank you

>>51100447
Hardcoat or testers gloss lol.

>>51100367

I love the GSC

>lern2deploy

defense.

You can't win if your only counter deployment strategy is to bubble wrap a corner.

That's the problem with GSC if you counter deploy them it basically means bubble wrapping your vulnerable units and thus allowing the GSC player to walk and score all game long.

>>51100440
When GSC have D-weapons, 700 pts of free transports, librarius conclaves, scatbikes, 2++ re-rollable hit & run deathstars, relentless grav cannons and wraithknights, you let me know.

>>51100487
Okay, cause I saw a tutorial that said he used water.

Just mix paint with hardcoat, then? What ratio?

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>>51100278
>>51100232
these ones are the photoshop recolors, the ones here are; i would try googling the sources?

>>51100490

You can hard counter most of that pretty easily with GSC via clutch first turn assaults that cuts out key support units. And it isn't hard to figure out how to do that.

Sure a bad GSC player is going to lose often but it isn't worth considering sub par payers when evaluating ease of play/overall difficulty.

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>>51100362

Orks tore me up yesterday. 2 20 boy blobs, meganobz, and a naut did some quality work.

>>51100509
on top of it. mixing if you want less then pure gloss.

A bunch of new paint just came out with gloss as well.

>>51100544
It is when the original argument was "they are the easiest autopilot race".

This is clearly not true if bad players cannot manage them effectively.

A brand new 40k player who has no idea what he's doing cannot pick up a GSC netlist and just win games against experienced players.

>>51100362
Harlequins are not an easy army to play.

>>51100573
I want a glaze, not a gloss, Anon.

>>51100561
>meganobz, and a naut
Is meme magic real?

>>51100578

Nor can they pick up Eldar or Tau by that line of logic. About the only army a new player can pick up and succeed with is SM Battle Company.

No GSC is - of the top tier armies - one of the easiest armies to autopilot when played by a competent player.

>>51100598
got an example? sorry not sure what you going for.

>>51100561

You're spending some weird points in places and the mixing and matching of Harlequin weapons hurts. I like to go 2 caress units (usually Master w/caress + 3 more caresses) and then 1 embrace unit with Master w/Caress and 3 with embraces. It makes them more job focused.

>>51100627
A glaze, you know, a really thin paint for tinting nd colour blending?

GW sell some colours, Guilliman Blue for instance.

>>51100026

The Wazbom is also AP2 with two Large Blasts isn't it?

>>51100655
guilliman blue is one of the few colors i found i couldn't find anywhere else

Alright, are heavy bolters worth putting in squads?

so im going to start a valhallan army.

what sort of infantry heavy list should I be looking at?

I was thinking of around 5 chimeras with a platoon in.

a couple of squads of grenadier veterans in chimeras too

then a line of infantry with supporting 3 or 4 units of heavy weapons.

>>51100667
not really, but then again taking what you think looks cool is the most important thing

>>51100667
it depends, does the squad have relentless?

>>51100667
Just take a grav cannon

>>51100667
Only in Kill Teams.

>>51100660
Tellyportas are small blasts, Kustom Mega Kannon is small blasts.

> pretty sure only large blast ap2 is SAG and Blitza (WHICH BOTH HAVE RANDOM ASS TABLES)

>>51100655
Yeah sorry, GW paints are acrylic so use water.

>>51100362
Harlequins are actually one of the armies Orks have an advantage against.

Harlies are all very squishy elite-killers while Orks are a massive horde with high powered weapons, their lack of ap2 weapons doesn't mean anything against harlies.
That said, their leadership fuckery is a great weapon against Orks.

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>>51100600

You do see nobz and a naut on the table.

Only it's usually Meganobz and a Morkanaut if they're going to be taken.

I feel like this is as close to the right spot as I can get:
Is there any games similar to Battlefleet Gothic, or is there like a place to find 3D printer models? I've always loved the 40k universe, have some models I've collected/rebuilt and painted from garage sales and flea markets but never actually gone down to the local hobby store and tried playing, torrented some rule books, but above all I absolutely fell in love with Battlefleet Gothic: Armada and I can't find any other games besides Star Wars Armada that look like the come close to scratching that itch, and I like the broadside combat style better than Star Wars.
I have a dedicated game room in my house now, and I'd love to try and give everyone a small fleet and try some games with the girlfriend or friends one of these games nights.

>>51100667
Imperial Fists can kinda do well with it, but they're pretty much the only ones.

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>>51100464
How about this?

>>51100748

Don't run the Plague Colony if you can't run 7 units, run a warband with a bikestar.

>>51100746
Dropfleet Commander. Co-written by Andy Chambers, the guy who original did Battlefleet Gothic, and the creator of the Dropzone Commander franchise. It's relatively new and growing.

>>51100667
Yeah, heavy bolters are really good, strength 5 can knock hullpoints off a surprising amount of vehicles and heavy bolters obliterate horde armies.

That said you don't really need anti-horde since your basic troop has bolters, but if you're shaving points then heavy bolters are cool

>>51100746
There's many plausible rumors that they re-release Battlefleet Gothic some time this year. No official announcement, but many tjings are pointing towards it.

>>51100725
That harlequin list looks pretty good against the meganobz and you could have just kited the boyz out
To be fair Nauts aren't bad at low point games

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Playing against nids on Tuesday. He only owns 1 Flying Hive Tyrant. I just painted up all of the assassins so I'm looking to use them. Advice?

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So, we got us a Lord of Change coming for this month. Word from GW itself is that it's a combo kit with Fateweaver, no new rules for 40k, but AoS gets some slight adjustments.

>>51100748
You thinking one big lord/sorc/spawn blob instead of two?

>>51100823
BOOK TWO OF CADIA FALLS

NEW RULES COMING BROTHERS

Shitty list idea

>Raptor Talon (Death Guard)
145 pts Chaos Lord, lightning claw, combi-plasma, mark of nurgle, aura of 5++, dimensional key, free jump pack, free votlw
165 pts classic metal raptors, plasma pistol, flamer, two lightning claws on champ, melta bombs
155 pts raptors, 2x plasma gun, combi-plasma, melta bombs
155 pts raptors, 2x plasma gun, combi-plasma, melta bombs

>Terminator Annihilation Force (Death Guard)
152 pts Sorceror, ML3, Mark of Nurgle, combi-plasma, melta bombs, spell familiar, free terminator armor, free votlw
142 pts Terminators, 2x combi plasma, 1x chainfist, 1x champion combi plasma, mark of nurlge, free votlw
142 pts Terminators, 2x combi plasma, 1x chainfist, 1x champion combi plasma, mark of nurgle, free votlw
142 pts Terminators, 2x combi plasma, 1x chainfist, 1x champion combi plasma, mark of nurgle, free votlw

>Mayhem Pack (Death Guard?)
100 pts Helbrute
100 pts Helbrute
100 pts helbrute

1498/1500 pts

zero idea how this list is going to do anything since no reserves turn 1 but it will be fun maybe idk

for 1850 maybe add in that lost and damned formation and use the cultists as an anchor unit? ~300 points of cultists I HOPE will take at least a turn to chew through...

>>51100779
Thanks, I'll look into that.
>>51100791
I don't understand why they haven't already.

>>51100823

Don't play Tzeentch or Chaos at all but honestly the AoS Tzeentch tome + models makes me want to play AoS.

>>51100800

Well, one of the better conditions for the Ork Dread Mob formation is 1500 points given it's tougher to counter it at that level.

Though that feels like cheesing it.

>>51100770
You realize the biggest issue with plague marines is being the same ws as normal marines and lower init? You do not need seven units to get the negative ws and init bonus that makes them stronger. seven just gets you a toughness modifier....whoop dee doo.

>>51100867
Go for it, Anon.

>>51100852
FoC rules when? The story was bad, maybe the rules are decent? If not mediocre at least.

>>51100832
Yep. But >>51100770 's suggestion might be even better. But in that case Cyclopia Cabal might be an even better option to get Sorcerers, no expensive MoN and more flexibility with your powers.

>>51100746
you tried playing it on tabletop sim?

>>51100800
You don't bring meganobz vs harlies.

Mass shoota boy mobz are actually threatening to them because all their units are very highly cost t3-4 units and av10 vehicles.
Warbikers shred their troops with their guns and tank bustas ID their bikes.

Outside of heavy psyker fuckery + death jesters they don't fare well.

>>51100867
it's surprisingly fun, considering how basic the game is. The Generals Handbook adds most of that though. But due to it's looser rules, sort of need a good group to play with if you want to actually enjoy yourself.

>>51100791
>many plausible rumors
got anything to back that up?

What is happening with the lore right now? Is this new Fall of Cadia event the 13th crusade, or just the start? Is Cadia gone and got itself deaded?

>>51100876

You realize it isn't a combat army and you shouldn't be endeavoring to use your WS or I and that the -1 T is worth playing for ID'ing with a deathstar?

Don't be a dumb chaos player and try to get into combat all the time, play smart, shoot, score, win. Take advantage of your relentless nature to control the battle field and neutralize assault threats before winning through durability.

>>51100899
Formation gives stealth on a jinking bike and Tough 6. Cabal is not as tough :-)

>>51100913
Was responding to the harlie list posted up a bit, and that lost to 40 boys a naut (probs a mork???) and some meganobz

>>51100921

I'm not an AoS hater so I'm already interested. My biggest thing was I wanted to build an 'AoS' army as it were. I didn't want to port one of my fantasy armies into the system because they don't fit aesthetically. The Chickenbird army is the first 'AoS' army that has intrigued me thus far.

>>51100660

It's one twin-linked Ap2 small blast. Because orks aren't allowed to have nice things.

>>51100970
The stuff is neat, then, so good choice for a starter army. Rules are fairly hard tied to the fluff, so expect them to work very strangely, lot of magic shenanigans and the like.

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>>51100925
There was an announcement at the end of 2015 that said they were working on it, along with a new version of Blood Bowl (it's out), Epic (Adeptus Titanicus), Battlefleet Gothic, Necromunda and more.

>>51100929
They ded. Abaddon couldn't resist trying to take Cadia instead of just glassing it from space, so the Ad Mech turned the pylons on to full power and cut off the warp from realspace long enough to wound Abaddon.The Warp pushed back and caused the Pylons and Cadia to go boom.

>>51101012
bit more than a rumor?

>>51101011

I know this isn't AoS general but how readily could I ally in some beastmen in the army? I don't mind the look of them and I'd love to do some blue beastmen to hang out with some chickenmen.

>>51101057
Dunno where he got the it's out this year thing, Adeptus Titanicus is aiming for a release this year, GW has confirmed, but we've seen nor heard anything suggesting BF:G will be out this year.

>>51101065
They're all part of Grand Alliance Chaos so easy as pie.

>>51100823
>Plastic Lord of Change/Kairos
I know it's long deserved, but oh my god, I'm going to be sick if there's anymore fucking Chaos releases...It's been non-stop since like September.

>>51101065
RAW AoS is unbound at all times

If your opponents want to play MATCH PLAY then you can ally freely within each grand alliance (Chaos, Order, Death, Destruction), you can also house rule "unbound"

>>51100852
I'm still waiting for rules from book one.

>>51101111

I know the AoS players in my area use GH and played the matched play variant. But since they're all part of the same alliance looks all good.

>>51101084

Awesome.

>>51101003

Doesn't it get to fire more shots due to some Waaagh! plane rule or something?

In Wrath of Magnus, the Wolves get a distress call from Cadia, which hints that there are multiple Daemon Primarchs there.

Where are they in Fall of Cadia?

Excluding pending rules from Fall of Cadia is there anyway to make pure a Tempestus Scions army work?

>>51100852
>BOOK TWO OF CADIA FALLS

>The shattered remnants of Cadia drift through the void, the detritus of an entire world torn asunder by powers none who still live can understand. Fragments of orbital platforms and pulverized rock mix with continent sized slabs of tectonic crust, some still holding onto the remnants of their atmosphere.
>Yet even in its death, war has not abandoned Cadia. On the larger fragments of the sundered world, the defenders of Cadia still draw breath. From still-standing fortresses they sally forth, harassing the Black Crusaders who still befoul their world. Automated defenses on a thousand airless citadels continue to fire, their machine spirits unceasing in their efforts to hold back the tide of Chaos. On tumbling rocks mere kilometres across, Astartes and Tempetus alike battle in the void for control of the still-surviving orbital platforms, each with enough firepower to cripple a starship.
>And across the debris field, on every scrap of land that the defenders can hold, one phrase can be heard.
>CADIA. STANDS.

>>51101193
Yeah that's not how that works.

>>51101151

Well bugger me, the Tellyporta Mega Blasta is actually an Assault weapon, meaning yes, it would get 2 small blasts when you call a WAAAGH. That's not horrib-

>Range: 18"

Oh. Carry on.

>>51101065
you can mix any factions that are part of the same grand alliance freely in pitched battles. Beastmen are part of Chaos, along with Bloodbound, Chaos Warriors, Skaven, and a few other odds and ends.

Some factions have special rules if you use a single faction, but they are never anything big. Most people opt to mix factions anyway.

>>51101193
That would be cool. GW forgot cool and just do big models because they look better on the sales report to the shareholders

I was expecting bad with FoC but some how they made me disappointed

>>51101168
Dude stop acting like this was written by a competent writing team.

>>51101187
There's only so much you can do. 5 man squads with melts/plasma deep striking with Taurox primes with ml and tl autos and valks with rocket pods.

>>51100748
No anti air, no anti armor
You do realize that you can get nurgle oblits with relentless and can fire twice a turn right?
With Cult of Destruction formation take however many warpsmiths, one is fine. One unit of 3 nurgle oblits then two one man units. You can only choose one unit to double attacks but it's still nuts

>>51101097
>tfw just want new CSM sculpts
>maybe a power armored Chaos Lord box with as much bits as the termi lord box
Is that so much to ask for?

>>51101331
I want plastic troop choice. Not asking for anything else. Got two special characters. Thanks I guess?

>>51101331
The terminator lord box is ten years old

The khorne berserker box is eighteen years old

The chaos space marine sculpts are fourteen years old, but they were re-cut with slight improvements twelve years or so ago

>>51099138
Volume of fire. If you have to choose between more shots and good ap/high strength go for more shots. Also, ignore melee unless it is against horror units.

>>51101360
The Chaos Lord seems pretty old. Though I have to admit mine is pretty ancient. It's white metal, with a combo-melta and power claw if that gives you any idea.

I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a newer one or making one.

>>51101408
>>51101360
arent chaos meant to be old?

>>51101360
The Termi Lord box is 10? Dang, now that you mention it, I can see it. At least he looks great for what he is.

>>51101396
I wish GK's had more volume of fire other than 4 stormbolters and a psycannon per squad. My dreadknights end up disappointing me, too. They usually don't make it past turn 2 or 3 in most games.

>>51101435
The problem is that shit like the berserker kit are total ass compared to modern kits.

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>>51101360
>The terminator lord box is ten years old
are you trying to say GW has out of date models?!

>>51100725
>>51100800

I and GGA are in an anti-meta where everyone focuses on -not- bringing top tier lists. The ork player was also one of the younger kids (some other old-balls didn't let him join in their game), and I just wanted to have fun with my in-progress army. Plus everyone always pops the thing on turn 1, and I wanted to let him have some fun with it for once.

I built the troupes per the Death Masque formations, which I knew was a stupid move. They'll look nice when they're done, at least, but I'm not too concerned with performance.

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>>51101408
wishlisting
>Chosen
>Power armored Lord/Sorceror
>Multipart cultist
>Berseker kit that isn't from 1999
>plastic plague marines
>plastic noise marines
>Newer less crappy looking basic CSM
>Proper havoc kit
>Newer chaos terminator kit
>land raider variants
>drop pods
>new bikes

I remember thinking when the khorne daemonkin book came out that it would mean a new berserker box. I was wrong.

>>51101488
>>51101448
he is nearly 11 years old (pic related)

>>51101488

leave bat ears alone

>>51101488
that paintjob is straight out of 2002

>>51101360
I think gw should first focus on giving sisters new minis as they been waiting longer. Would love some new stuff though for chaos

>>51101549

Needs more flock and a goblin green rim.

>>51101555
female chaos space marines anyone?

>>51101522
Dang. 2006 was 11 years ago.

>>51101566
they exist and they're ugly shit models

>>51100821
Anyone have any experience with the Execution Force?

>>51101566
Why not just have it chaos sisters of battle?

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>>51101566

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>>51101555
>Sisters
>Relevant

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>>51101488
>Not even an early third edition model
get on my level

>>51101587
thats kinda what i was thinking exactly
>>51101555
chaos should be happy they even have custom models, and not just transfers and forgeworld customs - maybe you should buy some regular marines and just paint them purple?

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>>51101097

>>51101594
are those meant to be boobs or airtanks? because they look like neither

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>>51101605

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>>51101594
>those hands on the titties.
breh

>>51101555
>another sob story
given that GW already put the old sob models back into production (and had to charge a fortune because white metal is expensive these days) I highly doubt we are getting new sisters models.

Do they even sell that well to begin with?

>>51101605
at least he looks cool, like out of a john carpenter 80s flick

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>>51101605
>Third edition

>>51101638
>because white metal is expensive these days
tell that to other games that use white metal and are far cheaper than GW

>>51101573
Assassins are extremely fragile and prone to getting gunned down/stomped on at first opportunity.

T4, 4+/FnP, 3W. A single assassin costs about as much as a platoon of 25 infantry, and will rarely have the same footprint in-game. Taking one because you find them cool makes sense. Taking four is an enormous waste of points.

>>51101622
for 12 euros a model they're whatever you want them to be

>>51101652
look anon; perfection doesn't need to be updated

>>51100876
Plague marines are slow and purposeful anyway, they can't run or sweeping advance. They are not cc units. And the best way to use them as cc usits honestly is to get something quick to attack them and get tied up.
Plague marines are shooty. They should have better heavy weapon options.

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Any thought on this list Anons? The basic idea would be to use ectomancy's soulswitch on an infiltrated blue horror squad to get them into combat.

I really like the new Exalted Sorcs models but in game they're bloody expensive when you kit them out, so I'm really left wondering how to use them. Still 4 force weapons on the charge with one demon weapon will do damage, just probably not enough to win games. 3+ biomancy might make up for it however.

>>51101654
it depends a lot on the content of the white metal

iirc if your pewter is mostly lead, you can still produce it really cheap

>>51101638
No. Sisters have quite literally been the poorest selling army in the game's history, and were it not for Andy Chambers getting them included in Codex: Witch Hunters, they would have been squatted.

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>>51101652
>Third Edition

>>51101594
I always found it baffling how that studio can get so much detail on their models while having zero sense of anatomy or style

>>51101672
They are not slow and purposeful.

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>>51101661
also want to point out that a vindicare "xxxsniperwolfxxx" assassin is garbage, and you might as well take a transuranic arquebuse for all the good it will do you

>>51101687
I would argue they should have been squatted but GW is too lazy to add in female units for all the other armies (female guards lookin at u) - and so they took the lazy route of reissuing their shitty nuns

>>51096707
Anyone got the 40K 3rd edition BBB in pdf? The whole thing, not just the first 163 pages?

>>51101694
There were two generic ethereal sculpts in 3e. Arguably the best ethereal sculpts, too, since the 4e ones were hot garbage.

>>51101719
he's kind of nifty in that he can pop hidden special weapons, but not 150-points nifty

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>>when tzeentch gives you a book of secrets but no eyes to read it

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>>51101652
There's also the phoenix lords, all of which are straight up second edition models from the very first eldar codex.

>>51101661
>>51101719
Got it so they arent that great I guess. Might just bring it for shits.

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>>51101707

Some of those might be earlier sculpts. There's certainly a few better ones in their range. A good deal of them are definitely just silly, including a lot of the Tau and Inquisition characters.

>>51101600

>30 points for a twin-linked big shoota

ORKS CONFIRMED FOR TIER 1 ARMY

>>51101719
>transuranic arquebuse
I'm surprised at how well that weapon sometimes does.
I've had it ping down a big tau suit and blow up a a really annoying neutron onagar

>>51101769
I mean bring it if you want to, just don't expect a whole lot.

I love my Eversor, but SoP with him is to die in his first combat after accomplishing basically nothing. For the same cost I could get, like, another dreadnought or another squad, which have a bit more staying power.

>>51101784
they are very hit or miss, not to use a pun, but that extra armorbane dice often does little to nothing...

then again they can kill baneblades...

>>51101775
>60 point s7 t7 monstrous creature that moves 9"
>complaining about the guns being expensive

>>51101830
>moves 9"


Thats size of the model not movement ya dummy

>>51101775
i mean, would you be well getting a big shoota on it with bs2?

>>51099303
Template weapons

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Plague Zombie hordes

>>51101846
Oh I'm dumb.

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>>51101771
I really hope GW will get better with it comes to that

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>>51101894
>Daily reminder that 40k helped get Trump elected.
well autism has become an epidemic

>>51101746
Its the small touches that are the most important in making your army YOUR army. Good work Anon.

Grand Crusade rules when?

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>>51101889
tfw no female skitarii

>>51100025

Deldar need to be 100% unhindered by going fast.

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>>51101948
the suffering is real

>>51101960
deldar need some defense to ignores cover shit like Tau SMS and markerlight shit

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>>51101948
>>51101975
>female skitarii
>pic related
also you haven't checked the thigh gab, some of my skit are likely laddies
Bakunin faggots

>>51101764
Ay, but eldar havent changed much and they hold up very well, probably due the fact theyre important characters.
The warbuggy model is literally gorkamorka. The orks are the size of grots.

>>51102005
if there was such a thing as ski female conversion kits, just to add very small and subtle things, id be all about it

>>51102005
im using one of these in my inquisition group because they look so damn cool
im not a furry okay?

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>>51101975

>Skitarii
>not striving for the ideal of perfection in form for the omnissiah
>not removing inconvenient secondary sex characteristics
>not removing inconvenient PRIMARY sex characteristics
>not pumping them with enough chemicals and cybernetics that you can barely tell they're even human.

+am I kawaii, magos-kuuuuuun?+

>>51101991

Honestly, marker lights need to go, but just give deldar vehicles a rule that forces you to snap shoot them when they go fast. To balance it out so craftworld scum don't abuse it, give the actual Deldar a rule that lets them shoot and move fast.

>>51102048
>female conversion kit
They're robots in coveralls, masks and thick coats. The female skitarii would ultimately look the same as the male ones.

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>>51102048
>if there was such a thing as ski female conversion kits, just to add very small and subtle things, id be all about it
I don't get it, skit are heavily modified, many of them are likely female already.
[spoiler........]i would too. [/spoiler]

>>51102069
corregidor A BEST BEST.also managed to get the nomad support pack, a pan o starter army and two blisters for 50 bucks, store was selling it feels fucking good.

Emperors champion (140)

(Crusade squad 10 man chain swords x8 power weapons x1flamer drop pod) x2 (195)

vanguard veteran squad 7 man power swords x2 thunder hammer and sheild x1 power wepon all jump packs (199)

Venerable dreadnought, assault cannon and flamer with drop pod (180) (mostly infantry armies)/ predator las anon sponsons (115)x2 (high vehicle count or high health armies eg tau) /stalker (75) vindicator (120) (tyrinids with flyers and hordes/other horde armies

>>51101975
Loving that base

>>51102085
Honestly jinking should be seperate save from cover save and different special rules negating them. So ignore cover should ignore saves from concealment and barricades and ignore jinking should ignore dodging and going flat out to avoid being hit.

>>51102076
wasteful optimization; having boobs doesnt make your aim less accurate

>>51102076
>>not removing inconvenient PRIMARY sex characteristics
too much work for low status infantry, neurological and physical upgrades where required to increase combat coefficient is all that is necessary.
consider demotion of current fabricator for wastefulness

>>51102130
not sure if you're being sarcastic, it seems garbage to me

>>51102131
>jinking should be seperate save from cover save
i think you hit the nail on the head - but i think GW wanted it to not be a unique save, otherwise it would just be an invun save right?

>>51102131

That's fair. How the fuck does a flamer hit a raider that just moved 48" doing a 720 corkscrew tailspin while cleaving Sgt Bob's scalp off worth a dangling hook last turn.

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Cadia will never be truly lost. It's spirit will live on.

>>51102193
That's, actually really sweet. damn.

>>51102076
Yes, very kawaii. Praise be.

>>51102193
And the Emperor will reforge that spirit into Empmarines in the Age of Emperor.

>>51102164
To be fair many new players have some trouble figuring out multiple saves as it is pretty unintuitive sometimes. Like going behind cover with a space marine doesn't help him at all to survive against basic guns.
Alternatively jinking could be some debuff to to-hit and/or to-wound rolls.

>>51102166

Flamethrowers tend to have a pretty easy time hitting stuff.

It'd be like hitting a speeding race car with a fire hose.
As long as your close enough, you could probably do it.

>>51102193
>>51102235

>New Cadian plastic infantry kits released, labelled "Nova Cadian."

That would be a bittersweet footnote to Cadia's fall.

Is it justifiable making ghetto razorbacks by putting havoc launchers on rhinos? Or is it more ghetto than not

>>51100852
There is no book 2 of Fall of Cadia - this isn't a dual-book campaign series like Shield of Baal or Warzone Fenris. There is book 2 of Gathering Storm, which will be somewhere else entirely, and there will be more than 2 books in the Gathering Storm series - it's covering every major event across the galaxy.

>>51102280
i think a speeding car would brush off flamethrower, if the car was speeding past it

>>51102264
Custodes Prime model confirmed for 2018!

>>51102398
A flamethrower is like a fire hose, it sprays liquid burning fuel that sticks to whatever it hits. That's why you dont see the Japs in WW2 documentaries keep running through flamethrower bursts.

>>51101769
Culexus is by far the best and most playable Assassin - that's not one you just bring for fun, that's one you bring to actually crush competitive armies.

The other three are varying degrees of less useful. Vindicare is actually the second best.