Warhammer Fantasy General

>>51039796
>first for Tilea

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>>51039898
Ech, Tilea... The most beautyfull beaches in whole skavendom :^)

>>51039191
Yeah, Tyrion is also Elric. The Sword of Khaine is Stormbringer tempting him. Malus Darkblade is also Elric.

Then there is Fulgrim in 30k and Prince Yriel in 40k that are also Elric.

GW just have a huge boner for ripping off Elric.

>>51040212
Also Broo.

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>>51040357
Get out.

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>>51040357
Looks like the cover of a shitty metal album by some band that will never be on the radio.

>>51040468
John Blanche is the sloppiest artist ever.

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>>51040536
Yeah, but I like it that way.

Reminds me of Stephen Gammell.

>>51040574
Looks too much like diarrhea smears to me.

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>>51040597
Eh, to each their own.

But AoS art is shit. Go Adrian Smith or go home.

>no Return of Reckoning in the OP

We JUST talked about this

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So, do some elves just live as Imperial citizens? Would some have been born there, not having gone to the other cities? I'm thinking about WFRP in particular, since apart from specific careers (Ambassador or Kithband Warrior) you're not really defined as to if you're a Wood Elf or a High Elf or what.

Also, are there any rules (homebrewed or no) for playing Dark Elves?

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>>51040536
>>51040597
No one disses John Blanche on my watch, reeeeeeeeeeee.

The man is the heart and soul of Warhammer in both its incarnations.

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>>51040631
Kopinski is also pretty great.

>>51040669
Blanche is great when he puts any effort into his art.

>>51040639
Sorry. I kind of skipped over that conversation since I don't play MMOs.

My bad.

>>51040659
Yes, just as there are Dwarfs and humans born in Lothern on Ulthuan.

>>51040659
Aren't all warhammer elves supposed to be pretty much the same except in culture?

Not that I have ever played WFRP.

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>>51040673
Agreed.

>>51040712
For the most part.

Malekith fucks every generation of females so there's a lot of incest DNA, and Wood Elves have oddities to them, but biologically they are the same.

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>>51040659
There are 'Wood Elves' in Laurelorn forest and the like.
They're not as mental as the Loren Elves, more like relict populations of High Elves.

I never really liked the idea of Elves as regular Imperial citizens though. It always seemed a bit too D&D.
Sea Elf ambassadors and gated enclaves I like though. A regular Imperial character should have a sense of awe when they see an Elven honour guard marching through Marienburg, even though they're not 'proper' Ulthuan High Elves.

>>51040684
There's a balance to be had, I feel. Some of his pieces are just a mess, but I enjoy a certain amount of abstractness.

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>>51040669
Yes. I understand his impresionistic sketches may be skub (I like them, they are some great designer notes and modeling inspiration).

But he is great artist and I always wanted to make model of that Knight Panter in your pic.

>>51040659
My Druchii race houserule replaces the longbow talent option with crossbow, and makes Torture a racial skill. Quick and easy.

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>>51040631
I was drawn into Warhammer in the first place by Smith's kick ass, giant, fuck off Chaos warriors.

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>>51041560
He also did some amazing work for the Undead.

How's Kings of War compared to the 9'th Age?

>>51040631
I know Blanche is the purist deal, but I never liked his art. Early art is just disfigured and badly proportioned, and later art is as if he's on peyote. I hate that there's hints of a really great artist, he just doesn't do stuff in the way I would like to have them made. It's either awful or it's too fucking surreal.

Which is sad, because I actually really like the messy style.

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>>51042482
I forgot the most important point I wanted to make. That we can all agree that AoS art is shit. It's fucking awful.

I love this shit right here. If I could have that mixed with Warhammer: Age of Reckoning concept art, I'd be in fucking heaven.

>>51042237
I know a lot of Warhammer to KoW is proxies because a lot of options don't exist or have a parallel while T9A is the same models.

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>>51042528
AoS has a few pieces made by competent artists like Paul Bonner, but the fundamental design is rubbish.

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>>51038519
More art of Araby like that please. Pic related

>>51042613
The helmet and golden tattooes ruins a great piece.

>>51042613
It's not really the artists that are awful or bad, I'm sure. It's just like you say, the fundamental design is rubbish. What they're going for as customers is just so incredibly shitty that any artist trying to deliver what they're asking for is going to have to create some awful, over-designed turd.

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I didn't even know that it was Adrian Smith I loved so much.

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>>51042893
Yeah, Paul Bonner is one of the best traditional artists that in the business. Even he can't make AoS look great.

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>>51042893
You know what bothers me the most about AoS? How they fucked up my favorite faction.

Dwarfs exist in two groups. Steamhead just exist and don't do anything and are part of the same culture as the unimportant humans because new Grungni, whoever he is, is just Sigmar's Hephaestus. Grungni did the assistant work making Sigmarines and nothing for his own people.

Grimnir is actually Gotrek from Gotrek & Felix. During the time of peace when even the greenskins are getting along with everyone, he just gets bored so Sigmar sends him to kill random things for no reason. He fights the mother of all salamanders because I guess she's evil maybe, and they both blow up. Which creates a race of Dwarfs who dress like Slayers but do no Slayer things, spread literally everywhere, do no mining or boozing, and are the third posterboy faction after Sigmarines and Khorne Liefelds. These not-Slayers are trying to collect the fragments of Gotrek's body to resurrect him, which takes the form of magic gold. The priests of Gotrek are Chaos Dwarfs down to the same beard, who use the pieces of Gotrek to tattoo not-Slayers and grant them powers but it is corrupting and addictive as well as dangerous, so basically its Chaos blessings but from Gotrek's sacrament. Not-Slayers will do anything to reassemble Gotrek including work as mercenaries for Chaos, greenskins, and undead. I mean they said all Grudges were purged in the end of ET, but what the fuck! No not-Dwarf even does Grudges now! Also Gotrek's people are doing shit he hated to fix him after he went full-retard! Gotrek is the God Emperor Of Mankind, Fyreslayers are the Imperium!

I swear they assembled the creative team, told each to write a sentence and pass the paper to the right, then used the contradictory bullshit paragraph at the end. Also Malekith is a furry artist production now since he's an elf dragon centaur who's super dark but the hero and beats up Chaos Gods.

Sorry for AoS talk, but I needed to vent.

>>51043160
Hey, at least you also have Chaos Dwarves.

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>>51043160
It's OK, Anon. It's OK. We're all here for eachother.

It's OK.

GW can't hurt us anymore.

Unless they resurrect the setting and starts shitting it up even harder, under the old label, even, god forbid.

>>51043265
>grudges was just some bullshit Tzeentch tricked onto the dwarfs who have now become a generous mildmannered people

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I need help of a person with a psychical Mordheim Rulebook and a scaner.

I want colour pages of the Specialist Games rulebooks. I need them. Gee Dubs cut them out of the Living Rulebook relases. Is there anyone to help me with it, please?

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>>51042960
So what's this guy's story?

>>51043160
Actually, you're wrong.

You have THREE factions of Dwarves in AoS.

The Dispossessed who are remnants of the traditionalist dwarves who were forced out of the realms when the Age of Chaos hit and many of them either holed themselves up or fled with the humans into Sigmars realm with Grungi.

The Fyrelslayers work as Mercs because finding EVERY bit of Ur-Gold is important, and to the untrained eye it just looks like gold. They actually make Oaths over damn near everything, and Oaths are basically the new grudges+, because a Fyreslayer never breaks an Oath, and an Oath can be to Save an ally or to honour an alliance as well as to wreck a reckoning onto an enemy.

I actually like the Fyreslayers alot, They're starking Dwarves with a very Dwarven feel, but like people said, they're not just slayers.

Steamhead are a Third faction and are supposedly steampunk as fuck, the Engineers guild given free reign.

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>>51043265
Even before the End Times I felt that GW had kinda runned Warhammer into a kind of low point. They hadn't done anything really creative with it for almost a decade.

>>51043354
Valten was Snigmar reborn for the Storm of Chaos campaign.

>>51043374
You mean 15 years right?

And it's the truth, it's honestly why I welcomed and enjoyed AoS, Ironically, as a Dwarf player. Because the Fyreslayers and the new Steamheads are still Dwarves as much as people ignore it and they're pretty interesting takes on new ideas.

>>51043354
Village boy who beat up some Beastmen when they attacked his village and has a twin tailed comet birth mark that made some think he was Sigmar reborn.
Franz gave him Ghal Maraz to prevent a schism.

In Storm of Chaos Archaon beat him into a coma and he was assasinated by Skaven later.

In the End Times Archaon was about to beat him into coma when the Skaven assassinated him.

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>>51043399
I like what they were doing up until the Storm of Chaos backlash. It was a pretty cool buildup to that event.

>>51043441
I think the biggest Ironic twist is I could easily see the Fyreslayers in the old world, Big silly hats and Runic brands and all.

It's just the model range is so fucking wild and the art is just as chaotic.

They could easily be refluffed as Norscan Dwarves who were said to have a rather drastic culture change anyway.

>>51043399
Great. Nice you have fun. But we do not like it. I do not like the designs, do not like faction ideas, do not like poor man's Planescape/MTG mix of a setting.

As I'm also RPG fag since 1st. edition, with two dozen of pods and dozen of novels owned, lolexploding the setting was for me far worse than stagnation and shitty exposition of plot points. 2ed was very good and it's body was not even cold.

I'm sad that they let bad guys win for golden space marines, man.

Let's differ peacefully and in our own fucking threads.

>>51040631
looks like shitty PS 1 early 3d

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>>51043374
Pretty much. As far as I'm concerned, at the very least most of 8th Edition can be completely disregarded.

The only reason I maintain the clear separation of End Times/Age of Shitmar vs. the rest is because it's a clear line of separation. It's easier to say "Anything marked End Times and onward" than to say "This, but not this, and sorta this but not really".

Some earlier stuff was also skubtastic, but at least most of it wasn't created solely to antagonize and actively ruin the setting, and going against practically all established fluff prior.

>>51043399
>I welcomed and enjoyed AoS
>they're pretty interesting takes on new ideas.

There's nothing interesting in AoS. It is the death of creativity, where all good things go to die. Kindly go shill elsewhere.

>>51043441
First of all, I fully agree with your post.

Second, what the fuck is that cannon, what is it's name, where does that image come from, where can I learn more, and who do I have to sell my soul to to get one?

>>51043518
>Go shill elsewhere
>Leave us to cry and rage like neckbeards
>There is nothing interesting in AoS

That's where you're wrong, considering the Acolytes of tzeentch shit to come out looks fantastic and we're getting novels with more insight into every day workings.

I honestly do not understand the Vitriol. Do you get angry when a video game doesn't get a sequel but another game made by the same company is similar?

>>51043554
A big cannon called Ulric's Thunder, part of the Storm of Chaos campaign.

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>>51043436
>he was assasinated by Skaven later.

Let's be clear here that there was a great deal of ambiguity to that claim. It's not entirely clear what happened, and it could even have been Volkmar the Grim himself that had him killed.

It's part of what makes post-Storm of Chaos such an interesting fucking setting. It's insane that GW never capitalized on that. To those involved in the Storm of Chaos event, I can understand that it was forced and skubtastic, but in hindsight, the setting established is - in my opinion - fucking great.

* Valten is possibly still alive, or possibly killed by High Theogonist Volkmar the Grim himself, corrupted by Be'lakor.
* Archaon is MIA after his showdown with Valten and the routing of the chaos armies.
* Much of those same chaos armies, including Chaos Dwarfs and Kurgan, are holed up in the forests of the northern Empire.
* The Empire is facing a harsh winter, after having peasants pulled off the fields in the south, it's north pillaged, and it's core used to feed armies on the move.

There's so much potential, so much shit that could be done with this, and these are just immediate issues involving only the Empire. But GW couldn't see opportunity if it came up and shat them in the eye.

>>51043485
Huh.

That...is actually a damn good idea.

>>51043515
CG, 3D is 2016 shit.

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OldWorldFag : Wow i'm so glad i didnt gave GW not even a single cent since 6th edition, those bastards dont deserve it

-WHY WOULD YOU DESTROY THE OLD WORLD NIGGERS WARHAMMER FANTASY LITERRALY SELLS BY THE FUCKTON.


>>51040669
please enjoy some decade-and-half oldhammer artwork from the based artost himself that his truly the source and very essence of both fantasy amd 40k.

>>51043579
I kind of like Scuttlings. Honeycomb Dryad looks interesting. Alarielle 2.0 is an interesting take on Ariel.

Can't say I liked a single other thing though, sorry.

>>51043703
heh. slav is right

>>51043721
what do you say about Allarielle wow sculpt you AoS shill ?
its a fucking horrible CAD shit with no proportion of any kind.

>>51043703
Well, its true Fantasy sales were poor. Not losing money, just not a big moneymaker. The argument is it was caused by GW neglect.

True, AoS did boost sales for a time by being new. But indication is that interest is sinking like a rock, although to be fair neither side has any proof its doing good or bad.

BUT

We do know that Total War: Warhammer is doing RIDICULOUSLY well.

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>mfw this general

>>51043658
Yeah, I figured Valten's death was faked because he had the potential to cause a schism that might weaken the Empire right when it was most vulnerable.
I don't think they ever found the body and Luthor Huss was the one who 'discovered' the assassination.

Valten probably ended up living out life as a humble blacksmith in some rural backwater.

>>51040631
I see that Army of Darkness reference.

>>51043738
Yeah. But old Ariel was fucking horrible amateur shit with no proportion of any kind. Also, dem thighs.

Its a fucking shitty direction for Alarielle. She looks like Aztec Hera now. But an improvement as an Ariel proxy.

>>51043754
Shut up Sigmar, its all your fault.

>>51043678
I mean as much as the models are hit and miss and need a VERY shaded colour scheme to avoid looking too pink, but the Fyreslayers are actually fantastic.

They're Patriarchal Warrior lodges who make homes near a magical gold of their fallen god they hammer into their skin to be given a gift of their power, power which is all consuming and can lead to Gold-lust or fiery ruination.

They fight for the gathering of this gold and they fight to right Oaths of vengeance and protection.

If that isn't Dwarfy, then holy shit, people have misjudged the Dwarves by tons.

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>>51043786
Also it helps if we had good art of them.

Bunch of Gold-lustin' Oath-makin' Rune-castin' Madmen.

>>51043579
We do not like it. It destroyed setting we liked in a shitty way, full of really bad writing. So we are kinda salty, yes.

AoS world is a MTG style world. I play RPGs so bare world with unintentional manga-styled factions, which I don't like does not interest me. But I won't get 4th ed. WHRP because of it.

Do you feel better by going into mongolian woodworking threads and shitting on what people like? You just made my opinion about AoS crowd worse. I tend to believe that most of them likes oversimplified wargames (WHFB was bloated and also bad).

We kinda cared for Old World. AoS we would not care about, but Old World was raped and exploded to promote it, so we despise it.

>>51043833
>We
>All those buzzwords

Jesus Slav, stop it, you sound like gollum.

>>51043751
I loved the old world but TWWH doing well means nothing /tg/ side.

i have a large group of gaming friends playing TWWH but you wont see any of them ever buy grey sprues that you have to glue and paint instead of just playing another 30 matches of CSGO/Overwatch between a day of TWWH.

>>51043833
Closure was needed.

>>51043852
>Everyone is that salty warmachine fuck

Man,kindly fuck off. May he stalk your threads with MUH price bullshit. You are a jerk.

>>51043872
I don't think so. Have you seen Forgotten Realms or Dragonlance exploding?

No, they made Midnight instead when they decided to go with other idea. Setting is a framework you work in, not through.

>>51043786
...but why was Gotrek suddenly retarded. Why did they abandon the ideals of their ancestors. Why do they out shit they are trying to gather into their bodies. Why is is that they physically lust for Gotrek. Why don't they mine, have a society based around alcohol, swear Grudges, or have any sort of goal other than resurrect Gotrek? Why is it they will ally with Chaos, which destroyed the old setting and all their ancestors and that Gotrek spent most of his life fighting? Why is there no females anywhere at all? Why is there no Valaya?

Why are you acting like Oaths are a new thing, when they existed already while everything else was removed?

Why is Gotrek's worshipers being the new Ogres an improvement?

Why don't they have unity with the rest of their race? Why did they abandon Grungni and their kin?

How is any of that an improvement over what we had?

>>51043953
>I don't think so.

I do.
Warhammer Fantasy was going to stop being supported, it's good they actually gave it an ending rather just left it twisting in the breeze.

>>51043866
It means that people liked the setting, and killing it for AoS which got a lukewarm to panned response was a mistake rather than making changes to the exustibg setting by introducing their new elements and phasing out the old.

>>51043973
>Very climatic concept of Dwarf Slayer died for that.

>>51043973
all those question are answered by just reading the battletome you can find for free.

also they didnt kill anything, the WHFB dwarf are still available and damn strong in AoS.

>>51044003
Anon.

An ending that is shit is worse than no ending at all.

A terrible ending can ruin a good work. Look at movies like The Matrix. The ending destroyed all that came before it.

>>51044007
Man, why do you forget than people bought TWWH because it is a Vgood game and a TW ?
I guess half the buyers are WHFB fan, but many bought TWWH because of very positive review and the fact its a strategy game some even discovered the franchise because the game os good, not the other way around

its doing better than other WH games but not so much better than other TW games.

>>51043973
>Why do they not mine

They do, they mine and smith like every other idea of Dwarves, their Holds are built around their sarcred forges.

>Have a society based around alchohol

Because the Fyreslayers are rather grim and dour people, they do drink, but their society is not very jovial.

>Swear grudges

Because their society does so through Oaths, as their tradition is an oral tradition, not one with written word, hence why they have Battlesmiths who learn Sagas to shout on the battlefield.

>Have any other goal than ressurect Gotrek

They survive, propergate and establish new holds, to create better stories than their forefathers, the collection of Ur-gold is set to the Auric caste, and even they are not sure if all the Ur-gold within their hands would rebirth Grimnir and just follow their traditional rites.

>Gotrek Worshippers

It's not sure if Gotrek IS Grimnir here, seeing as Grungi exists and he was not given another avatar.

>Why are they not united with their kin

Because they grew apart over a thousand years in the realm of fire, became a seperate culture during the Age of Discovery.

You're arguing "Why are these dwarves not the same dwarves from WHFB" it's simple, Because they're not, those are the Dispossessed.

>>51044019
I read it. There are no answers to those questions in it, just fluffing what they have.
If there were any answers, you or someone else would have given them.

WFB Dwarfs died. The nuDwarfs just use the same models, and are as important as Araby given their models are being phased out and get no screen time or in-depth development.

>>51044044
>An ending that is shit is worse than no ending at all.

No, I don't agree. Closure is important.

>A terrible ending can ruin a good work. Look at movies like The Matrix. The ending destroyed all that came before it.

Nope, I can still enjoy a film even if it has shitty sequels.

>>51043866
Didn't they just made big money by just lending the setting? Did their IP got few times noted and used for companies that deal in such money they could own Gee Dubs, Corvus Beli, Mantic and few others at the same time and not really care? Did it sell well? Was it renown?

Yes.

Did intrest in game withered on the course of last two editions?

Yes.

Fuck, clearly setting's falut.

>>51043833
>>51043872
Not to mention that "these are the last days of the world" has been a part of the premise of warhammer since they came up with the fluff about warp gates and all that jazz. Honestly it's nice that they wrapped up the old world and gave their take on all the old mysteries of the setting. I don't like or care about most of the End Times story, much like I never gave a shit about Black Library novels, but it needs to be regarded as part of the now-complete Warhammer canon, for fans to take or leave as they like.

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>>51043781
>Shut up
last time I did you ruined everything forever, you hypocrite of a demonic rapebaby

>>51044073
Sounds like a lot of assumptions and no data there.

TWW is doing ridiculously well even for a TW game. The difference? The second W, Warhammer. Reviews for the game were actually lower than most, almost all because of objection to the DLC.

The fact that people unaware of Warhammer previously being interested is a positive, showing how much the setting has to offer.

You can see here on 4chan as well as Reddit, the Steam forums, and the fan forums for the armies that people looking to get into Warhammer reject AoS for the story unlike the video game.

>>51044085
Congratulations. Your tastes are wildly different than that of most people, because most people will choose no ending over a shitty one.

See public reaction to Mass Effect 3. Which was basically End Times: Mass Effect.

>>51044139
The only people who seemed to be so heavily upset are grognards.

As a dwarf player I have moved on because honestly? I will see more things for Dwarves in AoS than I ever would for WHFB in over 15 years outside of the slayer books.

>>51044164
>most people will choose no ending over a shitty one.

I don't think so, think about how upset people get over unresolved cliff hangers or plot threads. People like to know ending more than they care about the quality of the ending.

>>51044076

Yet they have no miners, and they only establish new "Lodges" for pieces of Grimnir and when the princes are sick of their father cuckolding them.
Warhammer Dwarfs were never jovial you Agebaby.
Why would they have runes and oral tradition. You either have a tradition of written language or don't. Oral tradition is a property of nomadic cultures, not ones built around mining.
So their society is literally just based on spreading out like greenskins and their entire theme is just a side quest.
Gotrek is Grimnir because Grimnir 1 died as a mortal while Gotrek became the divine immortal.

Finally, why did we have to lose Slayers for this? Why do they have to look like Slayers and rub salt in the wound? Its not an improvement.

>>51044205
You cannot be a Dwarf player and move on. Its contrary to the spirit of the army.

>>51044217
[Citation Needed].

>That ending was shitty, but at least that thing I liked is finished forever! -Nobody ever

>>51044139
people in FLGS also always talk about starting armies and never do.

half of those thread are probably started by people that post here just to have an evidence backup.

This game is dead and will stay dead, if GW learns anything its that Videogames sells tremendously more than miniatures and that its free money and no devlopment cost. Just sell teh IP and take a % of the sale.

Prepare for 10+ years of 40K and AoS games.
Most if not all models used in TWWH exists in AoS.

>>51044257
>Why would they have runes and oral tradition
I'm pretty sure that's what happened in real life. Even with more advanced writing, like in ancient india, you would still have oral tradition passed down.

>>51044106
That fluff was always shit.

>>51044287
Look at reactions to things like Firefly which ended after only a single season.
Fan bitched hard enough to get a movie made.

Or imagine if Star Wars had ended after the Empire Strikes Back. A lot of people will admit that they did not like Return of the Jedi as much, and that they hate things like Ewoks, but nobody is unhappy that it happened.

Humans hate cliff hangers, it's why shows so often end with them, to entice people back as most people cannot tolerate not knowing the end.

>>51044316
So you're saying the company that does no market research and touts itself as a model company and nothing else is squatting all models and becoming a developer.

>>51044257
Please do not make it so obvious you never opened any Fyreslayers book.

as for why they removed Slayers please look at this comment : >>51043703
Most people already have plenty of Slayer models from avatars of war and other for 10+ years, It was the logical step to kill them since nobody will buy more.
The slayers sold so well that Avatars of war basically could Develop 10+ kits with the money.

>>51044356
Firefly and Return were not shit endings though.

We are talking about a bad ending. Monkey paw endings.

>>51044329
I like how basically everything he whines about can be summed up as "Because it's Norse Mythology"

Fyreslayers are basically more Norse-like Dwarves.

Scandanavian countries had Runic dialects, but most tradition such as Poems, Sagas and Songs were Oral tradition, and Runic writing was much more official.

>>51044357
The issue is they did do market research, the irony is, people simply don't buy armies that much and if they do, they don't buy models after.

>>51044164
>>51044085
Yeah, endingless story becomes hipster legend, stories with bad endings get forgotten.

Also, it's not a book. It's a setting builded for decades, that got destroyed by bunch of talentless guys left in charge, that are basically fanboys ascendant.

You say that AoS will become good. But who will make it good? Only one from the really old guard is Blanche (and I like some of new models based on his artwork) but he is senile and after a heavy stoke. He won't last decades again (tho I wish him that sincerely), few years is best we can hope for.

Guys who are now in charge can't write for shit. So I don't pay atention to AoS development. I have no obligations to new world, I'm not invested in it and I'm kinda preplexed why AoS fags come here. Are they insecure because people don't like their planar nufantasy?

>>51044363
Why buy Fyreslayers when you can buy Slayer proxies? Why buy Fureslayers when you have Slayers?

Your argument makes no sense.

>>51044382
>Are they insecure because people don't like their planar nufantasy?

Yes.

>>51044357
wut faggot ?
Why sould they become a developper ?

they hold the IP. Why loose millions of dollar writing code when some studio will GIVE YOU MONEY to use your IP and you will TAKE A CUT on every sale WITHOUT RISKING A SINGLE CENT.

>>51044382
Honestly? By the looks at people from the GW steams and shows? They seem happy as fuck they have a setting to absolutely go balls crazy on.

See: the Tzaangors and their new model range composed of Aztec gods of fitness and Arrow guys on discs.

>>51044387
BEcause there isnt a single Slayer proxy with Halberdgu, or Pickaxe, or Shield, or polaxe or...

The only thing you could field with proxy is the standard batteline.

>>51044408
Then they are not a company at all, they are a joint IP ownership and executor.

>>51044408
This. having an interesting IP is basically Free money

>>51044431
So? Konami was still able to dredge up excuted, happy looking people and its known as the current worst comiany in video gaming.

Shit, even Jeb Bush had a crowd that looked happy in pictures.

>>51044387
Because Slayers lack the priests and the Magamadroths.

I do use slayers as Battleline though.

Then again, I fucking love the Runeson on foot and I kitbashed one with the slayer plastic for "Witness me" spear action.

>>51044372
>Firefly and Return were not shit endings though.

I'd argue that point.
Firefly didn't have an ending.
While Jedi was fine it was weaker than Empire.
The series could have finished on a higher point if Empire was the last.

>>51044382
>Also, it's not a book. It's a setting builded for decades

It was a setting at the ends of its life.
The end result would be the same regardless of the End Times, it would no longer receive support.

>I'm kinda preplexed why AoS fags come here.

Because many were also interested in Fantasy?

>>51044462
Anon.
You do know what bitz are, right? That you can modify models?

That very few people are willing to fork out $100 and days of time because their little dudes with orange mohawks have the wrong type of weapon?

>>51044477
So you're saying GW, the Model company with the famously unfocused Model department are in fact depressed they get a setting they can avoid making battle-line units for?

>>51044478
>Priests
Runesmith with hair repainted red.
>Magmadroth
Real players don't use centerpiece models.

>>51044498
Did you reply to the wrong post?

>>51044516
>Runesmith with hair repainted red

How does that get him on a Magmadroth? Also he clashes fantastically with the slayers then.

>Real players don't use centerpiece models

MONSTERS NOT ALLOWED

INFANTRY CAVALRY AND WAR MACHINES ONLY

FINAL DESTINATION

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Hey Sigfuckers, don't you have your own containment General or is your community so casual and toxic you have to come over here to spread your shit?

>>51044431
Looking rad is part of TG trade, man. They may be dead inside as well. I have 25th WH anniversary WD. Oh, how much love and entusiasm in folks who will kill the setting so soon. Read that WD. Whatever they sell is their FAVOURITE THING. Same with RPGs and crunch. WotC is the same.

They really have fun at last? Nice. I'm a kind fellow, wish them lot of it.

But I don't believe in their ability to make it really better than shitty fantasy heartbreakers that live for few threads on tg. Because they have proven they don't deliver significantly better fanfiction than threads here.

>>51044556
>Also he clashes fantastically with the slayers then.
Still a Dwarf.

Plus every single thing in AoS clashes. That's why the setting is D&D with Doctor Strange and for most of the game life you could take anything in any army.

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>>51044463

Its funny because it's true

>>51044557
People browse both.
Don't be upset some salty faggot tried to shit on AoS believing this to be a safe space only to meet with some resistance.

>>51044497
>That very few people are willing to fork out $100 and days of time because their little dudes with orange mohawks have the wrong type of weapon?

which is why people buy fyreslayers instead of proxying their slayer, they don't want to loose time and money when they can buy something when everything is already done.
So you are basically the same opinions as were GW's staff when they killed slayers

I recently came back to these threads after about a year away. The previous couple have been pretty good with some nice discussion and being generally comfy.

Then there's this shit show.

>>51044497
can you show me bitz for Halberdgun and warpickaxe please.

>>51044597
Hahaha, oh boy.

I do browse both, I am neck deep in the modelling hobby unlike I was a good 5 years ago.

I've got a Mordheim Warband getting set up, waiting on Bloodbowl Dwarves, Starting a Sigmar Campaign shortly as Barbarians-As-Freeguild.

I just find the Animosity funny, that people are clinging to a setting that was fleshed out some 20 years ago, then had a few paragraphs added a year and some very hit-and-miss books,

Nothing stops you from playing in the setting, adapting new rules, running new campaigns. Yet all I see here is people wallowing in nothing.

I find it Ironic really, the AoS generals have been full of Dwarf posting and people getting excited over every release, yet I remember every new 8e release was reviled, even the new Dwarf infantry was insulted due to helm types and how Irondrakes "look stupid"

At the end of the day, I think AoS has probably shown what parts of the community were the ones making the game so shit.

>>51044497
-Let me field my army o 100 identical slayers with 2 axe.
So these are auric, these are standard vulkite with shield, those are obviously some hearthguard and this is a runefather

-Yeah fuckoff

also pick of your Slayers ? What ? you dont have any ? so why do you care.

>>51044597
I did not wish him or you to mention it. Please, don't be a faggot and respect the fucking op rule.
I'm not shitposting in your threads, through I don't like the game and lore.
If you like that WH ended, move fucking on, like you claim we should have had.Or shitpost in /OSR/ that they don't play Warcraft RPG on Fate or at least 5th ed. DnD.

>>51044642
What?

That makes no sense. Why would you pay a lot of money and invest time into new models when you already have models painted and done that simply look like they have a different weapon?

Why buy Fyreslayers when you can buy proxies and give them soears or halberds or what have you? People who proxied Slayers will proxy Fyreslayers too.

Fyreslayers do not increase sales by having hats.

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>>51043554
That would be the Ulric's Thunder. A massive cannon used to defend Middenheim. The giant who was reloading the cannon was killed during the Storm of Chaos.

>>51044798
I never bring AoS up in these threads, but if people want to talk about it then I'll oblige. At the end of the day i costs nothing.

>>51044799
Because Old metal slayers really do not work well for changing their weapons or converting, and if you're buying Avatars of War, then whats the point in not buying Fyreslayers?

>>51044830
The fact that half of the OP is literally knock off range kickstarters is pretty hilarious too.

But WHFB has been like that for years and the irony never dawned on them.

>>51044667
You mean the Magmapikes? $2 halberd bits with a hole drilled in the top. Or go ultra fancy and stick the blade cut off a halberd on $3 gun bits.

Flamestrike Poleaxe is literally just an axe with a chain.

>>51044711
1) Proper English. Please learn it.
2) There are far more sculpts to old Dwarfs which you can add bits to than your $800 worth of a mere five poses in three different kinds of infantry.

That's the problem of your dual-build kits. Aside from a few swapped parts, they are exactly the same and look it.

Fuck. I am RPG fag. I come here to discuss lore, scenarios, get OOP pdfs.

Every time you fucking wargame faggots come, you fuck stuff up and start this dick measuring contest.

We need WHFRP thread. We had them back then, because players were cancerous skubmasters.

They still are, but now they have some other setting they shit in this thread and TWO fucking games that are not even Warhammer.

Fuck you with flaming red poker. I'm not coming back until cleansing of new edition.

Sage the ship, gentelmen.

>>51044912
Ah, the problem there is the Slayer range is 99.9% old metal singlesculpts.

Unless you mean Avatars of War Berserkers and in that case, why not just buy Fyreslayers?

>>51044831
>Because Old metal slayers really do not work well for changing their weapons or converting

Why convert if you have old metal Slayers? Just use them as-is. The original argument was Fyreslayers make people buy new models, but anyone with Slayers will just be using those because they look so similar.

>and if you're buying Avatars of War, then whats the point in not buying Fyreslayers?
You get literally 4 times as many for the same price, with far more bits.

>>51044953
Actually there's no less than 80 different sculpts for Slayers over the years when you count all the characters.

There's only 15 for Fyreslayers.

>>51044854
> knock off range

I do not get this at all. Why are you beholden to one company just because they make the rules? You just pick the manufacturer/s you like, it's that easy. There are many available and in a range of scales.

This official model non-sense is absolute bollocks.

>>51044912
yet no fyreslayer armies are fielded with old sculpt, so fyreslayer sell

>>51044957
>>51044982

>You get literally 4 times as many for the same price, with far more bits.

Because the Gorilla Arms on them are fucking horrific.

I use Avatars of War heroes, but god damn the sculpt of their units is fucking bad.

I don't like the Vulkite Berzerker box either it's why I use metal slayers as Vulkites.

But fuck me those things are overated as fuck.

>>51044869
How many people did this ? yeah zero.

people just buy new kits

>>51044982
Because it's quite simple. other companies either

>Cost way more money

>Have worse sculpts

>Are cheap plastic or resin.

>>51045014
[Citation Needed]

>>51044799
makes no sense but its what happened IRL.
Like it or not GW doesn't care.

>>51045018
They look swoll.

Sorry they don't fit your Elven tastes.

>>51045050
>No
>Sometimes, sometimes not, quite skub. I like many more than offical models and I can CHOOSE from many!
>Nope. Do you really believe that GW grey plastic is magic and finecast cures cancer? They are not any better.

>>51045040
[Citation Needed]

>>51045050
Funny then how there'd an increasing number of companies on the market selling Warhammer proxies that continually expand their lines.

>>51045083
[Citation Needed]

>>51045091
They have like the tinest legs and biggest arms ever.

Like literally you put the straight arms going down and they drag on the floor.

>>51045104
>B-But GW is the devil and every other maker is cheaper better and doesn't make them out of cheap death resin.

>>51045108
Funnily enough they really don't make that much profit either, the two biggest are mantic and Avatars of War.

You know how pathetic you people are? This is your WHFBG's main use.

Bitching about GW.

>>51045082
>>51045108
>>51045117

Burden of proof is on you.
wait 2 minute ill show you fyreslayers armies from google image with no shit tier oldsculpt or proxy

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>>51045117
still waiting for your proof

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>>51045117
still waiting

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>>51045117
theres 100's of them. i could fill entire generals.
and i havent even dipped into the fyreslayer groups on facebook

>>51044329
All cultures I'm aware of have some oral traditions even though they have the written language. Mostly it regards small things that no one really think are important enough to put to paper or the things considered so natural/universal that no one see the need to have them written down. It can be anything from advice handed down through several generations or just the way a family or community always have done things.

>>51045330
Or Songs, Poems and Sagas, like the Norse did.

Whom the Fyreslayers are supposed to be more like than traditional Dwarves.

AoS has alot of good ideas.

Fyreslayers, Flesheater courts, Beastclaw raiders and Bonesplittaz all have tons of ideas behind them that sound cool.

Flesheater courts are fucking hilarious.

>>51045140

>death resin
>being this retarded
How come that there are other wargames on the market? Shouldn't players die out? Man, I don't know what was in chinese recast you ate, but it seriously impared your brain's preformance.

There are dozens of smaller (some still big) companies. I have Perry stuff and it's the very same plastic, there is no healing spell, it's comonly used stuff, not special GW figurines magic. Finecast is just another kind of resin, not much better than others. I can get Osprey Frostgrave stuff or third party scenic bases, or historicals from dozen companies from nearly any country. They mostly had to fullfil stern safety regulations of EU (and soon GW won't have to, so they would be the dangerous one). We are not soccer moms you can tell bullshit to.

>>51040659
Elves are an odd, even feared site in more rural communities, but are relatively common in large cities. If I remember correctly, Marrienburg had an entire 'elf district' full of expats from the high elves.

>>51045364
Flesheaters are just a literal parody of Strigoi.

That isn't an improvement.

Warhammer 40k is the joke setting. Not Warhammer

>>51045418
GW plastic as actually pretty top notch, especially the darker kind.

But keep hating GW while trying to shill a thousand other small companies out of nothing but indignation, this thread is proof those companies exist because people want to play GW's games with cheaper alternatives.

Want to know the reality as to why people often enjoy GW kits?

They're easy to kitbash, easy to assemble and easy to customize often providing many different bits and ALOT of spares to allow you that little edge in customization.

Even at it's absolute cheapest like Mantic, Wargaming still costs like £70 quid for a decent army and that's when buying the utter bottom barrel.

The Hobby is not just about shuffling cubes about to many of us.

>>51045511
>Flesheaters are a parody of Strigoi

>NOT MUH JOKES

Flesheaters reminded me more like the carnival of chaos in Mordheim really. Glad to see no fun is ever allowed though.

>>51045154
>>51045204
>>51045210
>>51045220
>Nobody used old models
>Look at these people using new models!

Burden of proof is on you, fucko.

You said nobody used old models. You have to prove that nobody used them. Or learn how to speak without using definitives like a child.

>>51004209

Go there, to RT thread.

They are all about old game and old lore and dislike current one, along with curnch, models and GW policy.

They say bad, really bad things about GW as well.

It's all that rusltles your jimmies.

Why aren't 40k players fucking their fun up? Mabye they are not faggots?

>>51045530
Why kill what is serious to have your joke?

They didn't squat anything for Carnival Of Chaos, they just added it.

By killing Strigoi they ditched a very intriguing and tragic story for the joke.

>>51045554
It's not a joke, though there are funny elements.
It's about monsters who see themselves still as men rather than monsters lamenting what they have lost.

>>51045554
Except the Flesheater courts are still a tragic story, they're just out of setting also pretty funny.

The idea of a group of Savage monsters roaming as a pack of beasts that in their minds is a gallant court is very interesting.

In all honesty the Strigoi were fucking shit in the old fluff anyway.

>>51045573
The fact that eating flesh keeps up the masquerade in their minds is fucking depressing.

If anything it's just an extension of the depressing fall of the Strigoi anyway.

>>51045514
Wut.

You said that the fact those companies exist is proof that people buy proxies for Warhammer which proves people like buying Warhammer models instead of proxies.

I'm sorry, but what?

Look, its fine to like what you like, but you claimed their plastic is toxic, terrible, and that everyone buys from GW.

Clearly the fact that the market for GW alternatives is growing ridiculously fast is proof that they don't.

>>51045573
You didn't answer the question, why kill the serious thing to add black comedy? Skarsnik stories are very serious, while greenskins are known for black humor. You can have both.

>>51045574
Fuck you, Strigoi were the best bloodline.

>>51045511
Flesheaters Court actually seems to go back to Alessio's original Strigoi concept of the Lovecraftian ghoul that fancies himself something which he is not. It's one of the more decent things the undead has going for them in AoS.

>>51045595
Try reading my post a little better moron, here I will explain it's structure

>GW plastic is top notch

>I like GW kits for their versatility.

>People make proxies so they can leech off of GW's games

>GW alternatives are growing ridiculously fast

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Even the biggest are still small fry tiny companies with no hope of ever striking out on their own ideas.

>>51045621
>Oh no, the Romania is killed by Barbarians
>I guess us Romania Vampires all turn into big ghouls now
>Grr rarrr we now do exactly nothing forever with no character beyond being big ghouls.

>>51045621
>You didn't answer the question, why kill the serious thing to add black comedy?

The serious was not killed. There's plenty seriousness to be had in the concept of ghoulish monsters who in their own deluded minds see themselves as hearty and hale noble people.

>>51045637
This is the same group of people who said Fyreslayers are not Dwaves because they're more Nordic.

>>51045514
Still nothing wrong in that. I like most GW models. I plan getting myself some flagellants to kitbash Cawdor gang.

My Mordheim WH gang is 100% GW.

But since they have sqatted excellent Free Company Militia, I bought Perry box and a Frostgrave one for Mercanaries, instead of working on State Troops. No reall difference in plastic, many bits (Frostgrave excells in it), in Perry case the very same sculptor. Properly painted Perry also alows me to play historicals. Superior price, yes. Why should it be wrong?

Also implication that playing GW game with other models is piracy is shit. I used to pay for rulebooks and have been in GW shop twice in my life, never played there. There is no need I should pay more for generic fantasy miniatures only because they come from the guys that made ruleset I bought from them.

You are full of shit, man.

>>51045660
>People make proxies so they can leech off of GW's games
Yes. Just like Games Workshop made proxies to leech off other games until Warhammer 5th Edition.
>Even the biggest are still small fry tiny companies with no hope of ever striking out on their own ideas.
Let me know when Games Workshop has one.

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Quick! With haste, we must perform an invocation to expel this most terrible of spectres, the Age of Sigmar apologist!
I abjure thee, O ghoul, with a demonstration of specific and down-to-earth background information!

>Canals are arteries of trade and travel in many parts of the Empire, and locks are essential to enabling that travel. Locks often have attendant lock-keepers who operate the locks and collect a toll from passing vessels. The toll is usually 1 or 2 gc, but greedy lock-keepers try to wheedle (or, some would say, extort) more out of their customers.
>The sluices of the locks can only be opened by the lock-keeper’s key. Once unlocked, he uses a winch to open the sluices in the gates and alter the level of the water.
>A lock-keeper shares his house with his family, but in dangerous or high-toll areas, armed guards often reside there to protect their lord’s interests

>>51045694
Oh, so GW was ALWAYS Bad and evil and you're just doing what you always did by bitching about it in the WHFB general?

Fuck me, just call it GW hate general like the bitches you are.

>>51045678
I try not to care too much about what people think about AoS. There is stuff in it I like that I think could be modified to fit into Warhammer. Also, Dwarfs are originally Norse mythology cthonic elves.

>>51045711
Eh, Death on the River Reik...

Those were the times. I want to sail down the Rine someday because of this scenario and fun I had with it.

>>51045687
I'm not saying people shouldn't play with other minis from other makers at all.

I'm saying people should stop being deluded in thinking their cheapness and their not being made by GW makes them better.

For example is Perrys knights. They're rather shit and thin limbed because they're not heroic scale and thus lack alot of detail added into the space, they're also rather empty because, surprise surprise, they're historicals.

Yet people swear they're like the second coming of Crusader Jesus because they can buy them on the cheap for Bret armies they all pretend they have.

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>>51045711
>In the Empire in particular, water travel is very common. Vast numbers of ships and boats ply the waterways of the Old World, and—same as the roads—travellers must pay tolls for passage. Toll keepers collect toll along narrow waterways and canals where vessels can be easily halted. Swing bridges or locks are very popular places for collecting tolls. Where the course or width of the river prevents swing bridges or locks, strategically placed castles (complete with catapults or cannons) are very effective in convincing ships to stop and pay tolls. Tolls in these instances are fairly high as maintaining a castle is not cheap. Other areas employ booms across the river, which can be winched or towed out of the way.
>The frequency of toll points along stretches of rivers and locks varies, but toll points generally occur every 20-30 miles. When a section of river crosses the lands of a number of land-owners, tolls are often charged every few miles. The Imperial authorities frown upon this behaviour, and an Imperial official usually enforces some form of common agreement.
>The cost of water tolls varies between 1-4 gc for a barge and 6-12 gc for a large ocean-going vessel. All tolls vary tremendously in different parts of the Old World

>>51045712
From what I read from Rick Priestley; GW has always had assholes and opportunists in the company.

>>51045711
You seem to think I have issue with the setting and not the crusty autistic grognards who simply hate GW for moving past them.

I mean like >>51045749
Says, tons of AoS would fit very well in what was it? 9th Age?

But people are so Adamant against NEW THING they refuse to see anything but sour grapes.

>>51044003
It was a good ending...but then they made a sequel instead of letting it end in its own messed up but tragically beautiful way.

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>>51045758
I need to find someone to run it for. I'd have done it with my current group, but I ran a different river-based campaign for them a while previously.

These maps and the descriptions are so cosy. They give you a real feel for the workings of every day life in the setting. I haven't seen other games do anything comparable.

>Toll gates are found along all major roads. They are often maintained by a local lord or sometimes a town or merchant enterprise. On average, toll gates occur every 20-40 miles and are usually positioned to be unavoidable by travellers (on river bridges, next to swamps or boggy ground, in areas of rocky ground, or a defile are all good spots for toll gates). Where natural barriers do not exist, it is normal to build a wall or line the side of the road with boulders to impede the passage of coaches and wagons attempting to dodge the toll.
>The cost of a toll is usually 1 s per leg, but varies from area to area. Some lords are greedier than others and try to milk as much cash from road users as possible. On well-travelled routes, prices are often reduced to encourage more road traffic.
>Tollhouses are sturdy structures designed to protect inhabitants from outside attack. Often a tollhouse contains a couple toll keepers and sometimes a few servants. In dangerous areas, more toll keepers are present, and they have armour and weapons at hand in case of attack by marauding bandits or irate road users.
>As with coaching inns, Roadwardens frequently use tollhouses as stopping laces and as temporary holding areas for prisoners.

>>51045792
>Says, tons of AoS would fit very well in what was it? 9th Age?

>But people are so Adamant against NEW THING they refuse to see anything but sour grapes.

I think it's just a principle thing people do after a percieved betrayal from GW.

I personally feel that at this point it doesn't matter anymore. I rather just try to enjoy myself instead of being angry or bitter over my hobby. Finding or making proxies has actually turned into a part of the hobby for me and I wouldn't mind using AoS models if I thought it would be a cool idea. I keep getting more of these fun hobby ideas I could be doing after the death of Warhammer than I had while it was still alive. So to me what happend is not a problem.

>>51045763
How come that every time proved wrong you claim something completely different.

Shit, you must be long lost brother of Slav shitposter! Weren't you supposed to be the good guy? Fuck, this board can barely endure one such faggot.

Anyway, I first- like truescale. I don't think busy design and heroic scale are good. People don't look like that.

There is also plenty of heroic scale historicals, just look in HWG, second.

Also, how flatness, even more evident one, makes tactical Space Marine unpopular? Or how are sets with evidently kitbashable bits so different for you? There is nearly no difference between most 28mm WoR sets and typical Bretonian Knight Errant.

Foundry sells some oldest WH minis as respective historicals.

So, full of shit.

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>>51045888
>The Way Temples of the Old World supplement the service provided by the coaching inns. Way Temples are situated along roads and rivers and combine the role of inn and temple.
>As well as providing food and shelter for travellers, they are fully-fledged temples where travellers can pray and seek religious guidance. The temples do not charge for their services, but travellers are expected to make an offering according to their means in exchange for the hospitality they receive.
>Way Temples usually take the form of two story buildings surrounded by a strong wall. The gates are wide enough to admit a cart or coach, and stabling is provided within the compound. The temple and kitchens take up the ground floor, and accommodations for priests and travellers are on the upper floor. Servant accommodations are usually above the stables.
>In addition to two or three priests responsible for running the temple, up to six armed guards man Way Temples. A period of service at a Way Temple is a common penance for followers of certain deities.

>>51045898
I'd feel the same if most proxies I found were not either stupidly expensive ( Russian ) or utterly shit ( Mantic ) I boast a boat load of Avatar of War stuff for this reason.

But the percieved betrayal is pointless, GW didn't "kill" the setting out of spite, it grew stagnant in both design and writing and the idea of a large scale wargame simply doesn't seem profitable anymore.

>>51045957
If you can't see the difference between the Knights of the realm kit and Perrys knights, I'm done with you and your pisspoor english, I can't teach an inbred any more.

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>>51045963
>Wayside shrines are a common sight on the roads and riversides of the Old World. The inhabitants of a nearby settlement usually build and maintain a wayside shrine, but may also rely on the donations of travellers for the upkeep. Shrines may be dedicated to various deities; in wild places, shrines to Taal and Rhya are most common, but elsewhere some are dedicated to one or more local deities or a national god like Sigmar.
>The shrine stands on a stone plinth about three feet high to one side of the road or river, and at each corner of the plinth stands a column or a statue. The shrine is built of stone and covered by a roof of slate or thatch. The space inside is small and unfurnished except for pillars supporting the roof and an altar or statue. The shrine serves as a place where travellers can shelter from bad weather, pray, and make offerings. In some shrines, visitors make offerings by dropping coins through small holes in the altar or floor; the holes lead to pits where those responsible for the shrine’s maintenance collect the offerings from time to time. The offering pits are usually only reached through concealed or trapped panels somewhere in the shrine; characters robbing a shrine may well incur the wrath of the deity concerned.

>>51045963
>>51045888

I hope to run The Restless Dead soon. It's my favourite campaign. It's so cosy and down to earth.

You don't save the world. You help a nice guy to get a decent burial. It was inmediate selling point, one that shaped my RPG's further on.

My dwarf army is 100% GW plastic. But that's because I only play in a GW store an hour away because it's literally the only place I know of to play.

Apparently I am the odd one out.

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>>51045986
>Most Empire farmsteads occupy lonely spots away from the main thoroughfares of the land. One family and its retainers own and work the farmstead, although a few communities of individuals exist in border districts. Farmstead housing is simple, containing rooms for senior members of the family and space in the stables and barns for retainers.
>Farmsteads are partially fortified by a wall made from wooden posts or a palisade atop an earthwork. The most sophisticated will have stone buildings and possibly a drystone wall up to 12 feet high. Various other defences, including ditches, appear in different locations.
>The living quarters, barns, and other outbuildings open into one or more courtyards within the fortified walls. All the doors and windows of the various buildings open into these courtyards. The buildings have walkways along the walls and missile platforms on the roofs. >Nearly all farmsteads supplement this layout with some kind of watchtower, which provides a vantage point for bowmen and a means to sight approaching enemies so that stock and members of the communities can be brought inside. A signal beacon is located on the watchtower to warn other farmsteads in sight.
>The farmstead shown here is fairly sophisticated. It is the home of the Meier family, built 13 years ago in the hills above the mining village of Weisbruck. The wall surrounds the buildings, two courtyards, and some high-fenced stock pens. In addition to the tower, a stout-walled gatehouse overlooks the main entrance. A 12-foot high wooden fence links the walls of the buildings, and all the entrances give into the two courtyards, offering accessible roofs for archers. The family lives in moderate comfort; master Matthias, lady Erika, and their daughters have bedrooms. The family’s sons and retainers sleep in the high ceilinged Main Hall and Kitchen. The blacksmith lives with his family and assistants in the smithy, which adjoins the stables.

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>>51046052
>In all, thirty-three people live here, raising sheep and cattle, which are periodically driven ten miles to Weisbruck for slaughter. In addition to Matthias, Erika, and their four children, the farmstead is occupied by Gand the smith, his two children, 12 hired field hands (all capable of wielding weapons), and four household staff and their dependents. Matthias has had no trouble in the 13 years he has been in this place, but he recognises the danger lurking in the hills and is always on guard. However, he does not deny shelter to passing travellers.
>Most Empire farmsteads occupy lonely spots away from the main thoroughfares of the land. They are owned and worked by one family and its retainers, although a few communities of individuals exist in border districts. The lodgings are Spartan, containing rooms for senior members of the family and space in the stables and barns for retainers.

>>51045978
Old Bretonia is literally in Foundry's historical section.
Under "Ex-Citadel" you faggot.

>>51045978
>I'd feel the same if most proxies I found were not either stupidly expensive ( Russian ) or utterly shit ( Mantic ) I boast a boat load of Avatar of War stuff for this reason.

>But the percieved betrayal is pointless, GW didn't "kill" the setting out of spite, it grew stagnant in both design and writing and the idea of a large scale wargame simply doesn't seem profitable anymore.

I have personally come to love realism and historical minis. So I'm having a good time making proxies for my Empire Nordland army. I'm currently planning kn turning the plastic Perry knights into Knight Panter by copying the old knights set shields and making fur cloaks for them.

Later I'm thinking of making some Bretonnia pilgrims out of Frostgrave plastic minis and some Fireforge bits.

>>51046071
Ah, so you mean the fucking ancient bret models and not the 6E plastic reimaginines.

>>51046077
I disagree completely, I find the "Historical" parts of Warhammer boring as fuck and probably the most uninspired and lacklustre parts.

If I wanted Historical, I'd play Historical, but I can see why WHFB went to shit.

>>51046071
How could he know? He's only fourteen!

>>51045957
>There is nearly no difference between most 28mm WoR sets and typical Bretonian Knight Errant.
Bretonnian Knights sport 13th century helmets with full plate, which didn't become a big thing until a little later.
They're mixing the armors a little. So using historicals won't give you the same look as the last GW models had as that was a romanticized version of a Knight.

However the old range done by the Perries, now sold by Foundry is a lot more historically accurate.

A decent way to get Bretonnian lookalikes is to buy a box of Perry War of the Roses Knights and put some 13th century helmets from Milmirton (i always spell that wrong - italian company) on there.

You could also use some FireForge Teutonic Knights, that'd be easier.
FireForge even recently released Pegasus Knights so it seems to me there might be more to come.
They now have a 9th age section on their homepage.

Someone getting into warhammer fatansy and 9th age here, can someone be so nice as to tell me what the proper square bases sizes for the "age of sigmar start collecting malignants" units are?

>>51046143
Hey, historical is just my preference. I'm not saying it's ideal for anyone else. It does also have a very impressive variety and selection of plastic kits at reasonable prices these days.

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>>51046069
The village and farmstead are a little heavy on text so I'll splice some images together instead.

>>51046204
Sorry, but I was here when the "Historicals" started fucking these threads up like a year before end times.

They basically forced every discussion about what Perry minis to use this and that and then whined when the Empire got Demigryphs because they forgot the Imperial Zoo exists.

>>51045978
But I liked the stagnancy.

Nothing new was added after 6e, but it was only in 4e the game even got a story in the first place at all. The entire point of it was stagnancy.

>>51046043
35% GW plastic, 35% GW metal, 30% other.

All values approximate.

>>51046305
>But I liked the stagnancy.

Now you have eternal stagnancy.

>>51046242
I was arguing with you for a dozen posts and I have admit that it sounds shitty. No wonder that you go full Vietnam flashback. Just say that they don't have the feel in your opinion (valid point, through I don't agree), don't bullshit about resin of death and leeching of game.

Have a good evening.

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>>51046214

>>51046143
Historical meets fantasy was the original Warhammer niche. Just like 40k was scifi meets fantasy.

That's why I dislike AoS. Nothing really sets it apart from other games other than Fantasy being the egg that hatched it. Its high concept fantasy with steampunk elements, like Eberron combined with Spelljammer.

>>51046196
It says the base size for T9A models in the army books. Someone posted the 8e Warhammer bases in the last thread.

Or do you mean figuring out what each model is in T9A?

>>51046341
Naw. Total Warhammer is doing new things with the story that aren't a total teardown.

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So, after our weekly wargamer spergout ended (fuck, that was intense one, don't they have a fucking game to play?), what are your opinions on Paths of The Dammned?

Finished Grey Seer novel also. Surprisingly solid for being quite new. I liked the Seer, but Grey Mage Batman not so much.

>>51046442
>Someone posted the 8e Warhammer bases in the last thread.
Thanks, i will check that out.
>t says the base size for T9A models in the army books
I wasn't sure if there is a difference between 9th age and whfb
>Or do you mean figuring out what each model is in T9A?
That'd be nice too, just to get a confirmation

>>51046458
>Naw. Total Warhammer is doing new things with the story

No it's not, Total War Warhammer doesn't even have a story.

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Printed Mordheim rulebook at home along with Necromunda and Gorkamorka. Will have to get it binded next week.

Will have to paint my Witch Hunters as soon as it gets warm eunough to prime.

>>51046538
I think a few things changed.
Spirit Host is Phantom Host, Hexwraith is Wraiths upgrades with Ghost Steeds,

>>51046753
Mortis Engine is Altar Of Undeath.

Hit post by mistake between typing, sorry.

>>51046698
that pic looks real neat, and it looks like stiff paper printouts, does anyone have the pdfs to print out that set of buildings or are they just really thin plastic

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>>51046769
>>51046698
adding this for posterity

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>>51046769

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>>51046809

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>>51046840

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>>51046853
you should also keep your eyes peeled for the warhammer cities book. There is a pdf of it floating around on the web too, but it's too big to post here.
It was a book filled with enough cardboard buildings to build an entire townscape.

>>51046786
Pic is not mine, not today.

It's from some guy's blog. He was celebrating ending first stage of table scratchbuilding and had pic of bunch of old Mordheim terrain I needed. It shows high in google search.

I wish I had a fucking set, I will have to scratchbuild this.

>>51046769
It's terrain from orginal mordheim boxed set. Some nice stuff, came with plastic elements conecting card ones and is thus unscanable. There is plenty of pnp ruins, guy on Wargame Valut has some good ones.

>>51046872
sorry, the book is called townscapes. From 1988

>>51046884
>Some nice stuff, came with plastic elements conecting card ones and is thus unscanable
the plastic bits were doors, windows and corners.
If you got the rest you just need to add the corners to build the houses.

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>>51046872

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>>51046853
Are they buildable without plastic parts? As I said in >>51046884 , I thought not.

We have Warhammer Townscape you talk about in OP also, great set, but no ruins, so not very Mordheim.

>>51046924
Wew lad. Thanks!

>>51047015
>Are they buildable without plastic parts? As I said in >>51046884 , I thought not.
You just need a bit of cardboard to connect the walls. Check the instructions and you know where to leave some extra as glueing folds.
>We have Warhammer Townscape you talk about in OP also, great set, but no ruins, so not very Mordheim.
Well. It's an easy fix though. Just cut some pieces off. Add a floor from the other set of houses if you want internal detail.

You're allowed to get a little creative with the cardboard buildings too.

>>51047043
>You're allowed to get a little creative with the cardboard buildings too.

Yeah, now I have internal parts to mix, heh.

Well, I tried with Necromunda one, bulkheads were kinda harder to replace.

Thanks for it man, you helped a lot. You don't happen to have Gorkamorka terrain scanned?

>>51046753
>>51046764
Thanks a lot mate!

>>51046242
I don't really mind the Demigryphs, but their riders looks very large by contrast next to the Perry Knights. I actually think it was one of the better motivated additions out of all the more massive 8'th edition kits.

I'm really less crazy about the magical circus wagons they made for the Empire because they look pretty damn topheavy. There was also the excelent Island of Blood plastic gryphon for those that prefered the more slim and slick version for their Empire general.

One thing I really like about the historical scale human minis is that they make stuff like Chaos Warriors, Daemons, Ogres and Orcs look much more intimidating when standing next to them.

>>51039898
Tilea is shit! SHIT!

>>51047251
t. Estalia

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Excuse me while I go remake my entire army using Ironbreaker torsos now XD

This thing is awesome.

Can someone post lizardmen armies? they look fucking cool as fuck.

>>51047314
>51047314 ▶
>Can someone post lizardmen armies? they
oh. this is the RPG. my bad.

>>51047301
Very nice.

>>51046872
>>51046853
>>51046840
>>51046809
>>51046895
absolutely based anon, I've almost finished painting a great deal of units and have been trying fruitlessly to collect scenery printouts. thanks so much. I've just grabbed townscapes too

to contrinute here is a link to the oldschool dnd printouts

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?358153-All-Fold-Up-Paper-Models-and-Minis-(especially-FREE-ones!)
and here are 2 good buildings

http://www.davesgames.net/catalog-free-models.htm

also here is a link to a heap of old ones.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/3plrcyv88u7o6/Donations#k35sghzv8cvqu

>>51047336
You are welcome, 6/10 angry troll. ;^)

I have to admit that from like 20 WHFB players I knew, I haven't met single Liz player. Curious why, they indeed sport some good look.

>>51047125
>You don't happen to have Gorkamorka terrain scanned?
No sadly not.
I got the Necromunda stuff somewhere though.

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>>51044819
Are those Bretonnian knights riding alongside Karl Franz, and at least one dwarven warrior? What's the story of this pic?

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>>51046186
Actually, despite the wrong helmets, the armor that Bretonnians are using is historical. Transitional plate was used around 1350, give or take a few decades. They're not using full plate - full plate has a lot less chainmail, where transitional plate is a clumsier mix of older chainmail armor with plate on top.

>>51048177
I think it was them marching for Middenheim for the Storm of Chaos.

What are some old school Warhammer Fantasy novels, other than the ones about Drachenfels?

>>51048347
Matthias Thulmann: Witch Hunter novels
Gotrek and Felix

>>51048347
I love The Great Betrayal and Doom of Dragonback, but I'm biased cause I'll read anything with dwarfs in.

>>51048347
Gotrek & Felix and the other 'Genevieve Undead' books. Really, I only liked Beasts in Velvet out of all Genevieve stories.

There's also the Brunner the Bounty Hunter omnibus.

>>51048607
Speaking of dwarves, what's the best way to learn about all the various dwarven holds?

Also, is there a complete and detailed atlas?

>>51049300
Both books mentioned have maps in the front, Great Betrayal also has a small Khazalid lexicon in back if you're into that.

As far as background stuff/more maps, pick any old WHFB Dwarf codex, I imagine. Should be up in the OP.

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The Warhammer World is big. So big, in fact, that some factions are on different continents.

Are there some factions that will just more than likely never come in contact with one another? On another note, which faction is the most likely to be able to fight each other faction?

>>51049300
>complete and detailed atlas?

I am also interested in a compedium of maps.

>>51049300
>>51050050

http://www.gitzmansgallery.com/shdmotwow.html

>>51050075
Neat, Thanks.

>>51049610

skaven are most likely to fight everyone since they're underground and thus can appear anywhere the plot demands it. other semi-nomadic groups follow the same logic: beastmen and orcs are wherever they need to be.

a few factions are isolated and don't get out much, but have excuses one way or another why they'd be tangling in some far off shithole. wood elves got the wild hunt, lizardman got the old one's plans. khemri stretches it a bit since they tend to only stomp shit when they're getting some mummy's favorite knickknack back. dark elves raid a lot. dwarves got grudges.

chaos dwarves are landlocked and have only one city in the ass end of nowhere, they're the ones who would have the most issues, imo. next up is khemri just for being so far south in a desert land and for being mostly isolationist.

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I miss the old world.

It was simple and I could understand it.

Not all this fan fiction "realms" and shit.

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>>51051934
I think I get what you're trying to say, but I wouldn't call WFB simple by any means. It's a complex world, even if a lot of it is mired in actual history and therefore understandable.

You're referring to all the weird words AoS uses, right? And the rather vague sense of a map?

>>51051970
>And the rather vague sense of a map?

Exactly this.

I can grasp the old world and look at it.

And I had an extensive knowledge of it's lore.

Like I am a fucking lexicanum of WHF lore.

And now it is all just *poof* gone.

>>51049610
>The Warhammer World is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to Warhammer World.

fixed that for you

So, I started Total Warhammer and the Vampire Counts have Kemmler, Mannfred, Vlad (yay!) and some other necro as legendary lords... Who the fuck is that other necromancer? Ghorst or something, his name. I skimmed through my VC armybook, but don't think I've seen a mention of him.

>>51046588
>No it's not
not him, but we have sartorael undermining archaon's invasion, the wood elves looking for amber to restore the tree, skarsnik betrayed by the now defecting clan for the possession of k8p while he's out squig-hunting and the return of vlad.

it's not much but tis something

>>51052340
>It's 'uuuge, I'm telling y'.

>>51051983
Warhammmer was great setting basically thanks to RPG books, that bothered to answer questions no one today botheres to ask. It made good framework for others. Stuff held the test of time surprisingly well and setting was explored in games and novels (some were way better than for example Dragonlance books, it's not until lately writing was implemented in-house and went to shit).

Few settings can compare in depth and fun factor of the material. Your knowdolege is reminder of fun had and reward in itself. Think about GMing. Or write short stories. Or play games. You don't need company senpai to notice you, there are plenty games that exist on hiatus for decades and in era of PDF it's even easier.

Let's don't start that discussion again, I don't want some angry autistic fucks shitting up the thread for a next day in that dick measuring contest.

>>51051934
I'm kinda tired of not!Europe maps, but it's still infinitely better than what AoS has. worst thing about AoS is that the initial idea had potential, being sorta Planescape/Allods mix, but they fucked it up royally.

Sadly, no other setting supports all the factions I play / my friends play / I plan to play / I want to exist in same world as my armies, so I'm stuck with Old World. Although maybe I'll have a look at T9A world...

with GW's new leadership showing at least some sensibility (in comparison) as of late, and with success of Total Warhammer, what are the chances we'll see Warhammer: Total War: The Wargame? (i.e. WHFB renamed and brought back)

>>51052475
Hopefully zero.

>>51052512
uhm, why? people don't want WHFB back?

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>>51052517
It's an argument that's been going on and off for several threads now.

Long story short, one side hates GW with a passion, refuses to see any chance of potential future good in them, and doesn't want GW to have a chance to mismanage their favorite again. Other side just wants the setting they love back, damn the consequences, AoS is the worser of two evils than GW itself.

>>51052602
heh, GW is like ex - some people hate theirs, some think theirs are still cool, just not meant to be together, but maybe let's meet next thursday

>>51043518
ugh, Pestilens. now go-go and make Skryre, Queek or Grey Seer version fast-quick, yes-yes.

How canonical in fluff terms are minis?

Are Bret knights half-dwarfs? Are Wood Elves really midgets? Are High Elves really monkeys in pointy helmets? Are only overgrown men recruited into Free Companies?

>>51052517
Frankly I don't trust them not to cock it up further

>>51052717
>Being this dense

>>51052746
why? main feature of a setting always takes precedence over any "expanded universe" stuff. WoW canon overwrites any other Warcraft sources, Star Wars movies overwrite any conflicts with books/games, WHFB is first and foremost a wargame, so armybooks and minis take precedence over BL, WFRP and anything else.

>>51052517
The odds of them retconning all of End Times, all of Age of Sigmar, all concepts and themes relating to them, and much of 8th Edition is practically zero. What we'd "get back" wouldn't be Warhammer Fantasy anymore.

It is bad enough that End Times was published under the Warhammer Fantasy label. At least Age of Sigmar is easily filtered out, a clear break that doesn't pretend to be Warhammer Fantasy anymore, but all of End Times is a contaminant, a virulent disease.

We're only now starting to get shit sorted out again. GW picking up Warhammer Fantasy again and adding more confusion and conflictions and more fuel to the fire.

>>51052602
A strawman from a shill, what a surprise.

>>51041340
>replaces the longbow talent option with crossbow
But you don't need any specialist weapon talent to use crossbow, so why?

Do Dark Elves have any sense of loyalty, or are they always backstabbers?

When they raid the Old World, do they ever risk travelling upstream or inland?

>>51052778
Models are an artistic interpretation restricted by multiple constraints, you fucking muppet.

>>51052779
>all of End Times is a contaminant, a virulent disease

I didn't realise it was possible to be this salty.

WHFB GENERAL: EXCEPT YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THE PARTS OF THE GAME I DON'T LIKE

So come on, why's it shilling to want to talk about End Times? Why aren't End Times WHFB?

>>51052779
I thought of it more being "tabletop based on vydia" than a standalone as before. they wouldn't retcon AoS anyway, but they could treat WHFB as Bloodbowl

>>51052790
I tend to believe Skaven, Goblins and Dark Elves are still capable of feeling kinship and trust, to an extent. They'd gladly backstab any stranger or enemy, but they can still have, if not friends, but at least "no-sudden-backstabs-with-no-clear-purpose-people". Their societies wouldn't be able to function otherwise.
Dark Elves moreso than others, since they are an intelligent and rational species.

>>51052790
In latter Darkblade series the loyalty to wrongdoing friend is one of the central themes, so yes on first. They even have concept of honour, but complicated one.

It's sad that Darkblade had a shitty ending, instead of him getting called out for his shit. The buildup for the final part had potential.

>>51052821
because it's nothing more than prequel to AoS. you can't divorce ET from AoS, but you can ignore ET without affecting WHFB in any way whatsoever.

>>51043518
>It's easier to say "Anything marked End Times and onward" than to say "This, but not this, and sorta this but not really".

It's even easier to say "anything pre-AoS labelled WHFB is WHFB" rather than "This, but not this, and sorta this but not really"

>>51048177
Karl Franz in front, Valten behind, Imperial Knights. No dwarf that I can see. Storm pf Chaos, c. 2422.

>>51052847
Yes, but that would be bullshit.

>>51048177
I think you are confusing Valley with a dwarf, new friend.

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>>51052885
>>51052853

>>51052914
He's just lost and can't admit it.

>>51052821
Because it has next to nothing to do with Warhammer Fantasy. It actively works against most if not all established canon, themes and concepts of the setting.

Also, this isn't the WHFB general. This is the Warhammer Fantasy General. Splitting hairs if you're a faggot, sure, but it's an important distinction. This is the general for discussing Warhammer Fantasy as a setting, and things that relates to it as a setting; of which the End Times is not considered a part. This is why we kindly ask those that want to discuss End Times/Age of Smegmar to take it elsewhere.

There's literally nothing constructive or interesting to discuss if you include the End Times on some form of principle, simply for being published under that label. It runs so counter to everything established it's just talking in circles. We've been over this before, before we started to simply say that End Times do not apply, because it's fucking nonsense.

Now would you kindly gtfo? This clearly isn't the thread for you, as detailed in the OP. We don't go to Age of Shillmar and start trolling about unrelated shit. Is it too much to ask you people to not shit on other threads?

I have an idea for a slight Bretonnia (and Wood Elves) refluff. To justify Bretonnian being so backward.


We know time in Athel Loren is kinda warped. You can take a nap on fairy meadow and wake up 70 years older, like Rip Van Winkle. You can go wandering for weeks and come home an hour after you left, or have a quick stroll and come back in the next century. There are herds of beastmen in the forest lost in time, that even the Elves are not aware of. One of the few good bits from 8th Ed. WE armybook also says there's otherworldly "dreaming wood" overlayed over Athel Loren, sorta like forest spirit world.

So what if Loren spread throughout whole of Bretonnia? Whole country, even unforested regions, being sorta mildly time-lost and enchanted?

1) Bretonnia is technically still locked in the period of time centuries ago. This explains why it was never seriously conquered, and why they don't import firearms - things from out of their land sorta deteriorate and stop working while in Bretonnia, especially things that don't belong in that time. Your cannons and guns will last you a few battles, but then they'll start rusting, misbehaving, etc. Stuff like swords or armor will last longer, since it didn't change that much over ages. Beastmen don't notice the effects, since they were covered in and armed with shit before humans even knew metalwork.

2) Bretonnian forests flicker between worlds. One day there might be a Wood Elf hall in the meadow, and anyone who goes into the forest gets pincushioned, another day there's an empty forest, even if none of the pathways seem familiar, yet another day there's a herd of beastmen, though you could swear their chieftain has exact same set of horns as the skull above the fireplace - of a beastman chieftain your grandfather slain decades ago...
Strangely enough, those non-Robin Hood guys live in the forests, but don't get lost in time and space somehow.

cont.

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>>51052941
I think that's how dwarfs become adventurers
>lost? no dwarf worth his name would get "lost", frail umgi, I'm just...travelin' and happen to be going exactly where you are also going
>I know lustria as well as I know the small forest in the back of my clan's hold

>>51052941
I can totally see that.

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If I can say one thing that I do like about ET, were all the small fluffy forces each faction got. Some were fairly creative, like the undead 'Last Remnants of Tribe Unberogen,' or a Dark Elf force that considered themselves the mortal instrument of the god of vengeance, and even Bretonnia got a few half-hearted nods.

>>51052993
3) Wood Elves can navigate all that crap somehow, though that's rather unpredictable even for them. Only Spellweavers, Wardancers and Waywatchers can travel at ease. However, the Wood Elves now have an access to the sea, which allows for a lot of stuff. Also, the Wood Elves remain as xenophobic and insular as ever, but don't live in one happy bunch anymore and control more territories.

4) All those Arthurian myths about enchanted castles, towers with captive princesses appearing and disappearing, monsters out of nowhere? All true in the time-lost land.

5) Grail Knights and Fay Enchantress have a measure of perception akin to that of the Wardancers, and they can enter the "dreaming wood" - indeed, that's where many of Questing Knights' travels and trials take place, fighting daemons and monsters and such.

6) Vampires, due to their timeless nature, can survive in the time-shifted land, use it even. Mousilion is a place where time-lostness has been twisted with dark magic into something horrible. The city may be an undead nightmare one day, and next day all those zombies are normal people again, walking and breathing. And sometimes it's a completely empty ghost town...


What do you think?

>>51052941
>>51052994
>"Lost? I'm not lost. I just don't know where I am or where I'm going."

>>51053058
>What do you think?
I like the idea but I'd not make it so relevant and common that it ends up as the explanation for why they are less advanced than the empire.

>>51053293
but why? don't they need a valid explanation?

>>51040659
Propably yes, but they are few and propably mostly ambassadors, magic teachers etc.
Not really a citizens.

However Marienburg had an elven district if I remember correctly. The elves that lived there were mostly Sea Elves aka the guys from Ulthuan not living in Ulthuan

>>51053373
yes, but magic did it is not such a great one for me, having a society that impedes the formation of a wealthy middle class is.

>>51052967
>Because it has next to nothing to do with Warhammer Fantasy.
Except being part of it.

>It actively works against most if not all established canon, themes and concepts of the setting.
Except being an official part of that canon.

>Also, this isn't the WHFB general. This is the Warhammer Fantasy General. Splitting hairs if you're a faggot, sure, but it's an important distinction.
The two things are the same.

>This is the general for discussing Warhammer Fantasy as a setting, and things that relates to it as a setting; of which the End Times is not considered a part.
Who doesn't consider it a part? Not the creators of the setting.

>This is why we kindly ask those that want to discuss End Times/Age of Smegmar to take it elsewhere.
Firstly you're a real classy guy, real fucking witty.

Secondly all you've said is "don't talk about the parts of the setting I don't like please" which is fine I guess but turning that into the assumption that your rejection of parts of the canon makes them noncanon is frankly bullshit.

>There's literally nothing constructive or interesting to discuss if you include the End Times on some form of principle, simply for being published under that label.
The fact they were published under the label means as a matter of principal they should be allowed to be discussed here. Again you are trying to use personal dislike of a part of the canon to decanonise it.

>It runs so counter to everything established it's just talking in circles.
Meaningless, try again.

>We've been over this before, before we started to simply say that End Times do not apply, because it's fucking nonsense.
Again, "only the canon I like is canon because I and my invisible consensus say so."

Pathetic intellectual cowardice, please just stop embarrassing yourself.

>>51053395
reason why it is like it is less important than the reason how they fucking survive or don't import guns

>>51053401
there's nothing wrong with ignoring and not welcoming retcons.

also, this very general is specifically dedicated to pre-ET WHFB, if you look at the the OP. whether ET is part of WHFB is irrelevant, it's still not the thread for ET discussion. want to discuss ET - make your own thread.

>>51052993
>>51053058
I'm sorry but this is the Warhammer Fantasy general, not the fanfiction general. This is the general for discussing Warhammer Fantasy as a setting, and things that relates to it as a setting; of which the your fanfic is not considered a part.

It runs so counter to everything established it's just talking in circles.
We've been over this before, before we started to simply say that your "refluffs" do not apply, because it's fucking nonsense

>>51053417
(You) are this >>51053401
guy, right? GTFO.

>>51053415
>there's nothing wrong with ignoring and not welcoming retcons

There is everything wrong with disregarding a part of canonical lore.

>want to discuss ET - make your own thread.

I want to discuss Warhammer Fantasy, in the Warhammer Fantasy general. End Times is part of that, no matter how many times you say otherwise. I think you may have reading difficulties.

>>51053428
I'm sorry but this is the Warhammer Fantasy general, not the "accusing people you disagree with of being samefags" general. This is the general for discussing Warhammer Fantasy as a setting, and things that relates to it as a setting; of which the your "accusing people you disagree with of being samefags" is not considered a part.

It runs so counter to everything established it's just talking in circles.
We've been over this before, before we started to simply say that your "accusing people you disagree with of being samefags" do not apply, because it's fucking nonsense

>>51053435
it's not shared Warhammer Fantasy General. It's Warhammer Fantasy General No ET. period. just because it mentions WHFB doesn't open it to ET.

We should write it in thread title, I suppose.

Let's call next OP "Warhammer Fantasy General No ET"