Oldhammer/Rogue Trader

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>>51003931

3rd edition hunched-over carnifex was a mistake.

>>51004209
> (presumably) stealth unit
> Better have a literal giant banner with the word 'Covert' written on it then.

10/10

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So to start off a new thread, I ask you /tg/:

Since RT-era miniatures are in such short supply, what miniatures would you use instead for that same oldschool flavor?

I was considering picking up some of these guys from the Ion Age range of miniatures as proxy Space Marines. They aren't beakies, but they certainly seem to fit the theme of "knights in space" while still looking technological.

If you were building an oldschool army, what would you proxy/counts-as with?

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>>51004465
Asgard's space marines are still available in 28mm from Alternative Armies

>>51004465
They're cool, but I don't think they look enough like marine

>>51004465
Never found them to really be that short in supply, there is always a bunch of stuff on eBay after all. Well for Rogue trader at least, warhammer fantasy takes more digging to sift out the right era of miniatures.

>>51004531
>warhammer fantasy takes more digging to sift out the right era of miniatures.

I would disagree, between Black Tree, Ral Partha, Mirliton etc etc there's a bevy of oldhammer-style fantasy stuff. It's scifi that's much harder to find outside of ebay.

>>51004531
As someone who has been lurking Rogue Trader auctions for the past several months, it's not so much a matter of supply as how much you're willing to pay for one miniature.

>>51004519
They would suit well enough for other imperial or mercenary humans, but then so would a lot of things, I don't know what happened to it but wargames foundry had a boatload of old citadel ranges that were got rid of with Ansell's departure, all the medievals that made up empire and brettonian armies for just one, and for years did their own range of fantasy stuff that would fit perfectly. They apparently released some unreleased RT originals recently too.

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>>51004600
>They apparently released some unreleased RT originals recently too.

That'd be these chaps.

Rogue Trader got a reprint, do we have scans?

>>51004788
It's the exact same as the original I assume.

>>51004954
It's supposedly a bit crisper in print quality.

>>51004954
Better quality scans than we have of the original run would still be great to have.

>>51004954
>>51004998
the "new" RT is GW printing scans from their book, it's not based on master or anything, they literally just scanned the old RT book and reprinted it

>>51005560
Judaism strikes again

Sup /oldhams/ Which White Dwarf issue was the grand opening of your home towns GW advertised in?

>>51004465
I'd use the RT and 2nd ed stuff I already own of course.

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>>51004594
This.

And there's usually a decent deal around if you can be arsed to strip paint. Or go to the Oldhammer trading group that tries to keep things reasonable.

I keep thinking I should round-up all my old spares/duplicates that I'm not using from my RT stuff and sell them on to someone. Probably better to do it via a direct trade than risk ebay.

>>51006272
What kind of stuff do you have?

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>>51006386
Just a few beakies.

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>>51004245
It's against orks, it'll probably work.

>>51009628
>explosive cranium

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>>51004465
>>51004531
>>51004577
>>51004594

Might not hurt to be vocal on GW's Facebooks pages. They recently had two Inquisitors in Terminator Armor and an Assassin with Combi-bolter/weapon made to order and those seemed relatively old.

>>51005853

I don't see the harm in them selling if for those who want a physical copy. In some ways I'd rather have a mint hardback version for $40-50. Not to mention them printing more possibly brings the value down on older editions if people are only interested in the content and not so much having an older print.

>>51004153
Das amazing bro

>>51004650
Wait, Fishbowl Helmet Guy was *unreleased*? But he's in a fuckton of RT-era shots?

>>51012348
Probably the result of second thoughts. He's in the background of shots because he looks neat, but his fishbowl was regarded as not fitting in the universe

>>51012627
> Chuck and Eddy

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Enslavers: might look like a meatball gone wrong but holy shit they're not nice.

>>51012812
Holy shit that looks like a fun GM vs player fight.

>>51012883
I heard a rumour that Robots were run on flowcharts written by the player. Any confirmation on this?

I also heard in conjunction that people would show up with robots and flowcharts that were borderline AI.

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>>51012960
There were some pre-programmed programs available.

Robot Programs were a mistake; the RT's main book rules for robots and limiting their reactions through sensible measures like having simple written goals/tell the GM what they're supposed to be doing worked so much better than the programs.

>>51012812
honestly I'm kinda surprised that the Enslavers have never really gotten more attention, they're one of the more interesting concepts that early 40k had lying around

>>51010936
>filename

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBKXu3Kg4yg

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>>51013821
I think they've gotten some attention in the FFG fluff, but as one of those horrific past events that's barely known about because it killed a shitload of people/planets.

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This style of diorama needs to make a comeback.

>>51005880
#159 Peterborough

>>51015982
>wargames foundry conversion

How times have changed

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Got my hands on this yesterday for 60 bucks. It's in pretty good conditions.

Lot:
1 Rhino
1Vindicator
1Predator
10 tactics
10 assault
5 termies
5 devastators
1 Furioso Dread
4 Bikes

3 Trucks/cars (don't really know much bout ork units yet)
1 bike with trailer
6 bikes
20 orks
5 gretchins
5 fantasy goblins

a lot of bits

U think it was a good deal?

>>51019208
Ebay, right? Looks like a pretty good haul.

>>51019225
I got it on a buying/selling app from my city, but yeah it pretty much works like ebay but in person.

>>51014919
>Ah, the ever victorious fried egg chapter

>>51015982
This just struck me right now, but how the fuck did the guy manage to dress so badly when he had that good a sense of color and shape?

>>51014919
That thing's really a master class in making do with simple materials. I think they probably stopped doing that style both because they started producing more spectacular bits and wanted to show them off, and because they just didn't have the talent in the art department for that kind of shit anymore.

Look at that Giger wall in the middle, that seems to be made entirely from cardboard and some strips of tubing. And yet it really looks good.

>>51019703
It was 80's (or early 90's).

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>>51012960
>>51012998

Also, suicide bomber bots.

>>51019778
Wow, fun idea.

>>51013821
They were there in the oldcron fluff as the reason the Necrons went into hibernation.

>>51019778
Hell, just suicide bombers aka Human Bombs

Good times, good times.

>>51021666
>>51021685
Is anyone more responsible for the look of modern 40k than Goodwin?

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>>51022884
Given he pretty much defined everything from late RT onwards, no, no-one.

>>51004244
>3rd edition hunched-over carnifex was a mistake.

You could cut out "hunched over carnifex" and be even more correct.

>>51024180
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oatGPbCSIU
Goodwin's the nigga.

>>51024180
I don't disagree. I got 6 months into 3rd edition before realising I was just bored playing it and stopped. That was so much streamlining it felt like they'd gutted the character of the on-table battle experience.

>>51019208
>That Mercadona bag

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>>51019541
those are novamarines

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>>51026552

>>51013821
they're just boring Lovecraft knockoff shit

>>51012960
>>51019778
the programs were needlessly complicated because there was a need to distinguish everything from the baseline RT rules, which had the same weapons, armor etc for every faction and only really differed on point costs and unit profiles

vehicle rules today - four facings, three armour values, one damage table - are an immense improvement over the damage tables from late RT/early 2E, but it was part of that same process of differentiation that led to robot programs and vehicle rules becoming these massively over-thought pieces of shit

simple enough, but if you didn't get it first time around (and some people didn't, and their flowcharts reflected this), it was basically a game-killer

should have been fun and simple, but then why would you need anything other than the example programs, ever? and that was the problem, people would come up with these bullshit programs and either end up ignoring them (because they only realised on the table that there was a glaring flaw) or sticking rigidly to them beyond the point of sanity, so you'd be sitting watching some idiot working out a shooting attack against an empty ruin in the corner of the battlefield on turn 4 "because it's what the robot has to do"

still everything is a product of its contemporaries, and robots with no better ability to act than a BBN Turtle was probably inevitable

>>51004209

I thought Space Marines in Rogue Trader called camoflauge "the color of fear" then we have sweet pics of SM in camo Beakie armour. I am so confused.

>>51027012
One idiot space marine/chapter called them that. Everyone else had more sense, there being innumerable chapter approved camouflages.

>>51026650
In RT you weren't allowed to wear a helmet unless it looked like a bird in some way it would seem.

>>51027012
I mean, >>51026552 shows them using bright blue camouflage in a forest, so make of that what you will.

>>51028175
Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

>>51024180
Correct post
Remember: "If the logo's black, you must go back."

>>51021666
>>51021685
I liked Eldar more when they had bitching leather jackets and longcoats.

And mohawks.

>>51019208
My best find was a complete Epic Ork and Squats warlords box with all the tokens for 5€ euros

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>>51019740

>and because they just didn't have the talent in the art department for that kind of shit anymore.

Considering they currently have people whose job is entirely or partly making display boards and boards to play on at Warhammer World, I somewhat doubt this.

>>51030639
Doesn't mean they had it at the time when they stopped, but fair enough, I'm not hard to persuade that they're just plain ol' shit.

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>>51031835

There has been other handcrafted terrain that has never been released, off the top of my head I can recall High Elf and Dwarf stuff.

May not be a case of an inability to do something and instead it not being the pictured wanted. That example with the Space Marines and Genestealer Cults seems to primarily be more about showing off the idea of Space Marines descending into a Hive to fight the Cult. Pictures in the last so many years however have been more about showing off the miniatures and sometimes a large number of them. This lends itself more to Cultists perched on top of terrain or Guardsmen fighting from a behind a trench.

FW as their own way of doing the above where they use actual models and scratchbuilt terrain, but use various effects to make the pictures less clear cut than GW does.

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I decided to pull my old 2nd ed dark eldar to fix them up on my days off and i found a group of old Harlequins! I'm giving those rapscallions a simple green bath then paint them up

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>>51032290
Nice, those old metal eldar still hold up pretty well as miniatures, only thing is really they're a bit flat in places.

>>51004209
>Banner, no doubtly brightly coloured, reads "Covert"

>>51034344
>>51035601
Slaanesh came a long way...

>>51036323
Yeah, I heard slaanesh can ejaculate halfway across the world!

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Is this a topic for Mordheim and Necromunda as well?

>>51015982

>Milliput
The nostalgia...

>>51004209

Man I am thinking of stripping my renegade marine army and just giving em tiger stripe/camo armor.

>>51037408

Hell yeah it is sweetums

>>51037408
yeah niga

>>51028540
Well that's what harlequin truoe members are for

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>>51038528
Not enough.

I mean look at this. It's 100x better than the current models. Why? Because longcoat.

I mean seriously. Why did they remove leather jackets and longcoats? It's like with the whole removal of the leather jackets from most heroes in comics after 80's and 90's. For what reason?

I'd love to see even Aspect Warriors doing something like this.

Imagine Howling Banshees with leather jackets over their armors. Or Dark Reapers with sleeveless longcoats.

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So, I'm puting together Witch Hunter warband. I was delighted to discover that Mordheim is still alive and kicking in my city.

>>51038662
I would think twice before calling bluff on guy in such longcoat indeed. I an kinda sorry that game overall lost this mercanary feel. Orks with whole Blood Axes concept were cool mercanary force, that would have allowed more wacky humor, that 40k later needed to not be so grimderp.

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>>51038814
Maybe ask GW to release new Eldar models with longcoats and leather jackets?

Lately they are actually trying to do something new and are asking people what to produce.

The greed however still remains, and the stigma of Tom Kirby means that they have a long way until they fix themselves.

And indeed about 40K. Up to 4th ED it was still acceptable.

During and after 5th ED, all went to hell. Also you need to put into the factor that there are people to want it as grimderp as possible for stupid reasons...

Pity. I miss those times when GW was fun. Maybe they fix it in the future? Who knows?

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>>51038904
You know, but there are two kinds of grimdark.
There is fun, wacky grimdark, right from 2000AD, Dredd and Nemezis.

And there is grimderp of modern 40k edgy writing. How people actually get involved in Horse Heresay series is beyond me. The writing of this primarchwank is fucking awful.

Not outsorcing novels is a grave mistake.

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>>51039115
I really miss the wacky grimdark.

Dredd and Nemesis essentially set in stone how 40K looked like back then.

Then 40K lost its way.

And I feel your pain.

Before the whole HH novels Emps and the Primarchs were actually pretty chill dudes.

Now they are all superhuman manbabies...

Will wacky grimdark return? Or at least to some point?

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>>51039171
What can you expect when chief guy behind HH exclaimed on their forums that old fluff is uninteresting and will be removed piece after piece. He was also puzzled why people regarded ,,some old pieces of Bill King as something sacred and set in stone".

He backtracked, but only due to backslash. I think it's nice that he at last admitted what they think.

>>51039280
>old fluff is uninteresting and will be removed piece after piece

Well no wonder people awakened their inner Berserkers.

The old lore is much more interesting than what we get today.

Extremely rarely we get new stuff that can be considered somewhat interesting (like Castellan Crowe or Drastanta). Most of what GW produces nowadays is uninspiring, boring, or pants-on-heads retarded (see Iron Hands and the Gaudinian Heresy).

GW, instead of removing old lore, should've polished it and expanded it.

That's what I think. But then again most of the people that did Fantasy and 40K either left or died...and entrusted it to dolts who don't know fun at all.

>>51039674
I really want the space dorfs to come back...

>>51039795
Go mantic ;^)

>>51040031
And have to agree, they fit the bill well.

>>51039795

They are back. Just as background fluff. Nothing saying you can't run an IG unit with a platoon of converted squats.

>>51039350
Same

I mean at times it was a bit too ridiculous but at the same time I still like it.

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>>51039795
>>51040031
Or Macrocosm

>>51040070
>They are back.
Yeah, but as you mentioned it, as background abhumans.

And they still didn't even do the Demiurgs. The only thing we got on them are sketches and a Demiurg ship for Tau in BFG.

Although I do hope that the Squats will one day return as playable dudes. Maybe as part of the IG, or they retcon that the worlds the Tyranids ate were a small part of the total number of planets Squats had.

And indeed. Sometimes it would go ridiculous, but it was the fun kind of ridiculous (all those types of Squigs man).

>>51040081
Those are some comfy suits those dofrs have.

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>>51039795
If you want dorfs on rad motorcycles, Ramshackle have you covered.

>>51040236
Oh yes.

Delicious.

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>Bought bunch of starter set Gee Dubs 40k chaos cultists.
>Thinking about necromunding them, since both 40k and 30k are bloated shit games and I have better things to do than spending so much for such a low fun factor.
>Two copies of miniature that is basically nice house Cawdor ganger, in their specific headgear and all. Also one that fits very well after minor conversions (need to remove chaos bits) and another two that fit OKeish.
>40kids sell them at relativly low prices because they don't fit their Spess Muhreen marysue armies.

Well, it's Red (Not Yet Dead) Redamption time.

>>51040236
oooh. I've been looking for replacements for squat bikers for a while now. This is perfect, thanks anon.

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>>51040496
Damn that really is a Cawdor mask.

>>51040963
They're super customisable with a bunch of part choices, which is nice.

>>51040981
My only problem now is what to run them as in modern 40k. My normal squats are run using the 30k Cults and Milita list, which most opponents are cool with counting as Armies of the Imperium for ally purposes.

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>>51040964
Yes. There is one with the very same mask in the set, just in cloak that screams "I rode with Klovis The Redeemer". He has some chaos bits and mutant hand, but they are easily replacable.

Think about it.

>Hey, Joe, I'm sorry about your work, but we won't sell those miniatures. We are scuttling the Specialist range.
>B-but they are nearly finished! Look, I made some great job...
>Don't worry, we will make cultist troop in our boxed set. Just fix them up and be ready before next week.
>Ehh... K, boss.
>Is it the entusiasm of the part of our dedicated hobby team?
>Sorry, I meant: YES SIR, ALL HAIL FINECAST.
>That's more like it. And don't get too creative! If people liked it, they would be buying something besides marines.

>>51004209
>Spess muhreens in camouflage
>Setting up an ambush

I am twelve years old and what is this?

>>51041270
Well, back in the day they were also special forces and scenario ideas reflect that.

Now autists argue that they are so OP, that they actually conquer whole planets using a part of single chapter because WE HAZ TELEPOTS AND SHIEET.

Shit, West learned nothing in Afghanistan and Iraq.

They are ruining the marines with marinewank. Modern marine fans I met in my past group had so obnoxius and powerfantastic mindset that they scared me away from hobby for few years. Thank God that they are not all like that, because whole thing would be insufferable.

>>51041228
There used to be tutorial for kitbashing Klovis, Malekith of Necromunda and their car, Pulpitek, in one of the specialist games periodical.

There is a page floating from it, with Pulpitek stats.

Anyone has whole article? I need it for reasons.

>>51041374

I play Blood Angels and even I really dislike modern marines. I'd much rather they be elite forces.

Also like, allow normal humans and mercenaries to wear power armor too

>>51042011
>I'd much rather they be elite forces.
THIS.

This is what marines lack these days.

If you want the whole charging and screaming, then take Black Templars and Space Wolves.

Other Chapters should be powerful, but not in terms of being just wanked power-armored super soldiers, but skilled super soldiers that use superior tactics and ALL tactics that are laid in the Codex Astartes and more in case there are no ads about enemies Guilliman did not meet (like Nids, Crons and Tau).

But this would mean that they'd be less than space knights and more like actual spec-forces, and today's turbo autists would rage over this.

At least we have Raven Guard and their successors. Raptors being the best example.

>>51041374
>Now autists argue that they are so OP, that they actually conquer whole planets using a part of single chapter because WE HAZ TELEPOTS AND SHIEET.
I am twelve and what in the burning hot fuck are you talking about

Is that actually what modern 40k is like?

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Is there a chance some glorious ScanAnon will scan colour pages of Necromunda, Mordheim and Gorkamorka rulebooks? Inquisitor one would be grat as well.

In fact any of those would be immensly helpull.

Gee Dubs cut them from free versions and no one scanned them so far.

It would be really great and I promise to put them into the pdf.

>>51042522
Marines these days rarely use camo sans Scouts.

>>51042522
Yes. Read lore discussions. I don't get what you are trying to achive by posing for 12 year old, through.

Fuckers quote their cringeworthy soruces (that makes them way better than /his/, btw) and yes, it is. I remember autistic bullshit about conqering planets being called out few times and they go full defensive.

>Hur durr terminator teleports they can eliminte the commanders and elite hurr durr ben hurrrrr

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>>51025030
Hah! Surprised anybody noticed.

>>51042900
This shit was in one of the rulebooks I think.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/White_Panthers

A strike force from a single chapter completely destroys a planet's defences.

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Gorkamorka is the best specialist game.

>>51043496
And also the one they will fuck up most during return (if it returns). They are full anti-third party and anti-modelling now. Can you imagine what they would say bout a trukk that is mostly scratch built?

Just buying some old orc stuff now, I hope to start some Gorkamorka this year.

Any chance you may scan the colour pages from your rulebook tho?

>>51043603
I don't have the PDF but i do have some links i bookmarked

http://the-lost-and-the-damned.664610.n2.nabble.com/file/n6598470/GorkaMorkaDaRoolz.pdf

http://the-lost-and-the-damned.664610.n2.nabble.com/file/n6598470/GorkaMorkaDaUvverBook.pdf

http://mrt85.edublogs.org/files/2014/11/GorkaMorka-Digganob-19p7wzl.pdf

>>51026583
when 40k was still about fun

>>51043603
Sadly I only have pdfs. You are right on it likely getting fucked up. You have to rely on a cool store manager if you want to play.

>>51042900
>I don't get what you are trying to achive by posing for 12 year old, through.
It's a meme, anon. The idea is to express innocent incomprehension and as such, implied disbelief. In this case, Anon is clearly aiming to derive humor from the juxtaposition of a twelve-year-old and being angrily defensive of the thirty-year-old version of a game.

>>51043718
They are LR, without colour parts, not what I search for.

Thanks tho.

>>51034344
In the HH novel Fear to Tread, this is basically the description of the Slaanesh daemon Kyriss.

>>51041374
>back in the day they were also special forces
Wait, they're not? What the hell happened?? WHAT HAVE GW DONE NOW???

Tell you guys one thing, between the dodgy photography, dodgy printing of White Dwarf, and dodgy scanning of said old magazines, a lot of the models pictured actually look amazing in person.

Bryan Ansell has a lot on show at Foundry. I promise myself I'll go to the next Oldhammer day in the summer.

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>>51046376

Needs dusting down with a makeup brush but here's one of Blanche's pieces, Slambo the famous Chaos Warrior who inspired the Heroquest plastics.

>>51046410
Awesome. Wish I could visit UK for such purpose as visiting those places and meeting all that comunity. I think I would be mistaken for eastern Europe imigrant and stabbed, heh.

>>51046578
Probably not stabbed, but likely viciously tutted at.

We're more into passive aggression over here.

>>51046578
Ironically, in the UK only the immigrants stab people.

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I found my 2nd (?) Edition painboy, alongside some modern sculpt he looks pretty silly

>>51041374
I loved how in old fluff, Marines were explicitly best at gaining a "toehold" so that the Imperial Guard could move in later. They set up a small base in a remote area, launch raids and terrify the enemy populace, but are generally too mobile and too difficult to dig out to be defeated. Then the Guard show up and take the planet. Sometimes the Marines stick around and help with key battles, other times they fuck off.
It makes sense that in that scenario, a 100-ish man company could play a key role in a war, as opposed to conquering a planet solo.

>>51048389
It's simple. You didn't give him HUGE banner. It's not complete.

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>>51048389
>dat hair squig

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愛と笑いと涙の話?かな

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So, have anyone here played Necromunda? What are your opinions, setting the Rose Glasses of Nostalgia aside?

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>>51055480
Played a campaign of it a couple years back. It's still a decent game, held together pretty much entirely by the campaigns. As one-off skirmishes it's just another mediocre skirmish game with a bit too much of the old clunk in the mechanics.

>>51055480
Love the fluff, love most of the models and the tables for stuff (hideouts, weapons, basically everything you can imagine) are fun.

Rules are pretty clunky, especially compared to the skirmish games of today. A reboot that kept the charm but updated the mechanics a bit would be very welcome.

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>>51055451
Getting rid of Paul Bonner as an illustrator was a terrible mistake. His work in WAAAGH The Orks and 'Ere We Go is fantastic, as is everything he did for the Squats.

He also did work on Mutant Chronicles, all of which was fucking awesome. Pic related.

So what's the policy in your local GW about using the old RT style rhinos?

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>>51056970
Yeah that guy was great. He 'got' orks.

>>51056970
Old Warzone is really cool. New is also not bad, but still I miss those wacky early 00's metals.

>>51009628

Coming this summer...The Ork in the Iron Mask

>>instead of krumping the previous warboss, a sneaky git poisoned him and locked him up in the depths of the kroozer, putting him in a mask to hide his face and putting up a sign that says he ain't really the old warboss. Now, a group of loyal nobs must find the old warboss, break him loose, and go krump the git good and proper.

>>51058202
Gold

>>51058087

Pretty sure you can still get those through Prince August.

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>>51057947
That he did. What he really got were grotz, their faces are always the most expressive and humorous in his illustrations. He had a sense of whimsy that 40k sorely lacks these days.

>>51058463
Only Prince August I know is dead. Can you elaborate?

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>>51058540
http://shop.princeaugust.ie/mutant-chronicles-warzone-classic/
Not him, but here's the site. If you're an IG player, or just want hordes of troops, the Warzone 3e starter set is a good deal if you want 80 oldschool dudes to play with.

>>51043718
THanks anon

>>51058588
Thanks!

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>>51004209
Hey look! It's Johnny!

>>51009628
>which bionic upgrade would you like today?
>just fuck my shit up

Exploding cranium

>>51010936
Holy shit filename!

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>>51039171

>Before the whole HH novels Emps and the Primarchs were actually pretty chill dudes.

No, they really weren't, in fact for most of them what few core characteristics they had at the time they still do.

It's probably incredibly easy for some people to like the pre-HH Primarch when they're for all intents and purposes cardboard cutouts with entire personalities defined by one or two things. It's fine for you to prefer them this way, but be truthful about it and admit you like them for their lack of any real character, not that they were somehow better before being dumbed down.

As for the Emperor, that screencap is just one interpretation of him by an author from a novel. If anything GW has gone to great lengths to keep the Emperor somewhat ambiguous outside of his actions because casting him one way or another is surefire means of causing a chorus of screeching. There is also the fact that there is no guarantee that the Emperor of the Horus Heresy and before is the same Emperor who currently sits upon the Golden Throne.

>>51039350

>The old lore is much more interesting than what we get today.

Only because there is more room to flesh it out. Seriously, I've read some of the Rogue Trader stuff and the biggest difference I'm smacked with isn't any kind of change in tone, but in a change of what the game was and is. Rogue Trader was an RPG or akin to one, this lends itself to writing about minute detail. Current 40k is a miniatures game where in around a hundred pages you have to cram in the lore, aesthetics, and rules. In comparison, books like Rogue Trader and the two Slaves to Darkness books push three hundred pages.

I wonder, there's got to be a niche in the market out there for a small company producing 28mm SF minis in the RT aesthetic.

I know a few companies that do this for fantasy oldhammer, but I'm aware of almost nothing for SF.

>>51061740
SF?

>>51061854
Sci-fi

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>>51040496

>40kids sell them at relativly low prices because they don't fit their Spess Muhreen marysue armies.

Or maybe because they can't really do much with them.

Besides only having so many sculpts with no kit of their own, Cultists seemingly only exist in the CSM codex to fulfill one of the roles that SM Scouts can as cheap objective holders. Other than that you may have a formation or two, rules from the Alpha Legion or Word Bearers that make them a bit better, or using them as Plague Zombies with Typhus.

The CSM codex as very little within it from which one could build a Cultist army. To do so you need to purchase Imperial Armor 13 from FW and the army list contained within it is arguably more Traitor Guard than it is Cultist.

>>51059952
shit bait - fuck off back to nuhammer, kiddo

What are some good games (fantasy) that capture that Oldhammer feel?

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>>51063019

Nice job not even trying to disprove even one thing I said.

It's the truth or close to it, the Primarchs before the HH (Really haven't read enough to say if that has changed.) were two dimensional and a portion of /tg/ likes that because it's easier to attribute characteristics to them and treat them as supermen and an example of HFY.

It's honestly kind of funny when you go back and read the pre-HH material and have stuff like Mortarion getting all pissy because after everything he has done the human on Barbarus are impressed by the recently arrived Emperor, that's definitely not the behavior of a manchild at all.

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>>51061740
Ion Age is definitely a part of that niche. The main line is space knights, but even more knightly than the 40k stuff. The main setting I think is War of the Roses-in Space! But there's been the addition of aliens and stuff. Most of the newer releases I've seen pop up are in 15mm, which is really where most of the not-big name sci-fi gaming is these days.

Which is a good thing for gameplay, not so great for miniatures capturing that weird character of old sculpts because they're half the size.

The nuhammer kid is still trollin'! No (you)s for you. Get a better strawman: hh hate is all about demythologizing what should remain mythical, and shitty writing. Oh, and the idiotic fact that, apparently, nothing's changed over 10,000 fucking years.....

Pre-hh there was virtually NO fluff on primarchs, just occasional blurbs. now, they're all whining daddy's boys who can't be trusted to do even one thing right.

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>>51063346

It's very simple but I like Song of Blades and Heroes, ideal for little "Battle at the Farm" scenarios.

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>>51063724

>hh hate is all about demythologizing what should remain mythical

That was done long before the Horus Heresy, you could even argue that any writing about the Heresy which wasn't clouded as being true or possibly not demytholized it. You can't play the mythology card and then also go into how Horus attacked the Emperor's bunker on Terra.

>Oh, and the idiotic fact that, apparently, nothing's changed over 10,000 fucking years.....

Pre-Horus Heresy actually did this since you're told nothing of how the Imperium functioned before it. You could just as readily assume that besides a few military reorganizations that everything was generally the same. The Horus Heresy provides a clear contrast in how the Imperium is forward thinking, free of superstition, and arguably hopeful about the future compared to the Imperium of 40k which could be described as stagnant or even gradually decaying, gripped by superstition and ignorance, and always waiting for the end to occur.

>Pre-hh there was virtually NO fluff on primarchs, just occasional blurbs

The Index Astartes articles were more than blurbs.

>now, they're all whining daddy's boys who can't be trusted to do even one thing right.

Just as they were in the Index Astartes articles.

>>51064510
We discussed Index before. We said it: no mater that Antares Rick was still half-assing at GW with half-written Bolt Action rules already in the drawer when IA was published.

It's shit like HH.

RT information about Primarchs fits on post-it and Leman Russ, most developed one (thanks to that SW four scenario campaign), was just a skillfull commander that was elevated from the ranks.

>>51056086
Is that a giant ladder beside the Knight?

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>>51038662

There was a recent interview with Good in WD where I think he explained why Eldar changed. I imagine going from mainly Corsairs to Craftworlders was possibly part of it. Could end up seeing such things again if GW focuses on the Corsairs.

>>51041374

Space Marines are still special forces and a large part of their purpose is go in and either attack the enemy leadership and/or take care of the really nasty shit. I can't off the top of my head recall in 40k where they conquer a single planet.

>>51066055
Yes. I also think that might be a Reaver Titan, not sure if Knights had been invented when that image was drawn.

>>51019208
The things with the beds are trukks.
The bikes are bikes.
The thing with treads is a wartrakk or a skortcha, hard to tell.
The thing with 4 wheels but not a trukk bed is a buggy.

Orks are pretty easy to tell apart.
there's tankbustas, orks with rokkit launchers.
Boys with sluggas (pistols) and choppas.
Boys with shootas.
Nobz (day're bigga)
Gretchen, they're weedy grots

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>>51055480
Some balance issues. Spyrers are INSANE, and better in a campaign setting where the normies can gang up on them.
Random Skills are... not the best thing in the world? It's cool that you can't max out on the best possible skill, but it also makes long-term strategizing for your gang hard.
The presence of heavy weapons like Plasma Cannons and Lascannons in a game that's mostly about lightly armed/armored infantry fighting each other is a bit tricky. It's balanced by the fact that you only get like, two per warband maximum and the Heavy is always Target Priority 1, but still.

All that said, it's a fucking rad game, made even radder if you do a campaign with a GM throwing random events at you. We played a couple scenarios against a Genestealer Cult, which was pretty cool.

>>51040236
Are any of the ramshackle kits good for orkz? Bikerwise

>>51062327
Use them as genestealer cultists, or renegades and heretics.

>>51063433
neat

>>51067664
THe bikes come with rider bodies moulded on. You could maybe get away with putting goblin heads or smaller Orc heads on them but YMMV.

The jetbike kit that just finished on KS from ramshackle will come with both Orc and Goblin pilot options, so you might be able to kitbash something in the not-too-distant future (ramshackle seldom take more than a few months or so to deliver on their kickstarters).

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>>51070976
Orc heads might work better with the 'armoured' body since that ones a bit bulkier.

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I'm going back and trying to find some of the boxes I had as a kid but I'm having a hard time searching for them, does this range have a specific name?

>>51071769
Try searching ebay for 'heroquest skaven' or 'warhammer quest skaven'

>>51072099

nah man, these rats are from 3ed WFB

>>51071769
"plastic skaven classic" was enough

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Sealed-Classic-Plastic-Skaven-Boxed-Set-Warhammer-Fantasy-Battle-WFB-/192069709894?hash=item2cb83f3046:g:KoIAAOSw4shX859r

general searches are usually better than specifics when it comes to finding old models

>>51072361
The models were used in Heroquest though and it's easier to search for that than just 'Warhammer Clanrats' which is mostly IoB models.

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>Orc players got rules that shit, that playing greenskins is basically tabletop cuckload
>After countless humiliations from Marinesue 12 year olds they give up their armies
>Orks were kinda popular since in quite recent (5th ed) starter set and cool
>No one buyin' everyone sellin'
>Ork stuff was never ever so cheap

Man, starting Gorka was never so easy. Those miniatures are now cheapest 40 k minis.

But it won't last long IMHO, GW seems to phase them out a bit because:
1)they don't fit edgy primarchporn
2)Stompas are to easy and FUN to scratchbuild
3)with shit rules Orks don't sell well (that one sounds kinda like WHFB :^) ).

Go Gorkamorka, folks.

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>>51040496
>>51062327
>>51073213

Awfull playerbase rape that is being conducted by GW supplies Inqusimunda, Gorkamorka, Mordheim and Necromunda with great deal of slightly used miniatures.

I wish they used BFG and ManoWar figurines in base games, they would be now quite cheap as well.

I start to think that they are so bad to ballance ebay prices with constant supply, heh.

>>51073524
What is the made to order line if it isn't an attempt to manipulate ebay prices?

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>>51073213
>>51073524

Just bought. Under 8 bucks. Shall be delivered to door. No counterbids. Man, GW must fuck them with current dex furriously if they are in such a low demand.

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>>51059952
>>51063407
They still behave like manchildren in the HH novels to various degrees.

Yet instead of making them into great leaders with flaws that suffered tragedy, they...I won't say it in order to avoid raging incoherently.

Not to mention what happened with Emps there.

OK, I know he's not the ULTIMATE PERFECTION he is, and that he is flawed, but he's shown as someone who doesn't care this much about the Imperium. THAT'S the only flaw. He should be shown as someone who sees humanity as worth saving and protecting. Worth of fighting for and shaping into something even better and which is still around even after being stuck in the Golden Throne. And don't get me started on how he's shown to be dealing with his sons.

And yeah, 40K back then had a lot of room to add to, but they screwed in many points.

I BLAME EVERYTHING ON TOM KIRBY.

>>51067026
I would love to see updated Corsair rules from FW and new models that scream "BABY, ONLY YOU, ME, AND A WHOLE LOAD OF CORPSES OF MY ENEMIES" while wearing a bitchn' leather longcoat or jacket.

Have some Tourney Knights.

>>51067521
So when will there be a brand new Necromunda game?

>>51075947
There's the new Dark Eldar Gangs of Comorragh which I assume is Gorkamorka/Necromunda with jetbikes. Necromunda is rumored to be this year!

>>51075947
>So when will there be a brand new Necromunda game?
This year, according to GW

>>51076056
>>51076104
OH delicious.

Hoping that they'll add Chaos Cults to fight and play as, add Spyrers as powerful boss NPCs and Imperial Fists Space Marines as powerful NPC enemies for non-Enforcer gangs (justified since they do recruit from Necromunda and take juves as recruits...by force if they have to).

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>>51076056
>Rumored

>>51074726
I 'member cracking open that box some 17 years ago - you will have fun!

>>51076201
>this year
Do you need to borrow my glasses so you can read?

Kek. They blew Cadia up in a single book shit development.

Are my autistic Very Special Forces oldhammer now?

>>51064510
>The Horus Heresy provides a clear contrast in how the Imperium is forward thinking, free of superstition, and arguably hopeful about the future compared to the Imperium of 40k which could be described as stagnant or even gradually decaying, gripped by superstition and ignorance, and always waiting for the end to occur.
This is true and this is good (the rest of the post, not so much). But, reality and history clearly demonstrate that things change through time, quite rapidly at times, for good and ill. What HH has gone out of its way to illustrate is that, somehow, 10,000 years have passed and society has been in stasis for all that time. The world of 40k is not the result of 10,000 years of devolution and war - it's just exactly the same as daddy left it! Exactly The Same.
Gay. And stupid.

>>51076602
I don't think it actually falls. I heard that it actually was weakened by failbaddon and will be easy to destroy if attacked again.

>>51076860
No it ex-plo-de-d while IMPOTANT SETTENG CHARACTURS were having EPIC DUEL!!oneone

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>>51063433
I wonder if you could get away with using their Khanate models as Eldar.

>>51076654
Not to mention incomplete.

When the HH started, Emps didn't complete the forging of the Imperium.

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>>51076056
it's another board game / existing model bundle just like lost patrol, execution force, etc. wishful thinking anon

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>>51067677

Of course you can use them in place of other things or in combination with the IA13 army list. However you'll still have the problem that they'll begin to look samey unless you do some conversion work. There is a HH army list that might work as well, but that requires somebody being okay playing HH versus 40k.

>>51075947

Corsairs did get updated rules from FW, but outside of a Wraithknight addition I don't think they did much modelwise.

>>51076654

I wouldn't say stasis since it's obvious that some things have changed, they just haven't been major shifts or possibly occurred a lot. The Imperium is a galaxy spanning empire that always isn't in contact with parts of itself and which gives the rulers of planets the ability to rule however they see fit as long as they meet the demands of the Imperium, so I find it somewhat hard to apply aspects of society to it.

However as I said before I wouldn't say the Imperium of the end of the Great Crusade is the same Imperium of 40k. The Imperium at the end of the Great Crusade had quashed all enemies and had a bright future ahead of it. The Imperium of 40k is surrounded on all sides and at best can muster the strength to usually beat back one problem or another, but there are times it doesn't and thus it loses a part of itself, this having the potential to further lead to its decay if what it lost was a Forgeworld that was the only one which was capable of producing a certain technology or if the world or system in question was responsible for keeping numerous others protected.

Of course the HH could have portrayed the Imperium as even more radically different than its current state, why it didn't I can't say. I can guess that in addition to being tied to some things that came before, they didn't want to rock the boat too much. The goal being to provide something that was the same and yet somewhat different at the same time.

>>51080588
Shit man, there is HH general to contaminate ADB handwaving old fluff.

Pls go and stay go.

>>51080439
Bu-Bu-But it comes with card terrain and campaign rules!!!

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>>51032290
I just pulled them out of their simple green bath and did some scrubbing. Man I did not know what i was doing back then some of my poor Harlequins had almost a 1/16 inch of primer on them! I felt like an archaeologist brushing dust off of an old artifact and seeing all the beautiful details such as their belt buckles on their boots. I plopped a few of them into the green though to try and get rid of the stuff in the crevasses

Ok, so I've never managed to get into warhammer, though I've always had a fascination with it.

Can some one give me a rundown of what exactly Rogue Trader is, and why people have such strong feelings about it?

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>>51067521
Billy Lee? Is that you?

>>51088558
Rogue Trader is the proto-40k, the first edition of the rulebook.

People like it in part because it had a very striking aesthetic in it's model design and art. Because it was early on in 40k's life not a lot of the background was nailed down and the setting was a fair bit more wacky and imaginative than present-day 40k.

Plus it's also the first point that many people got into the hobby at so nostalgia is of course a factor.

>>51056086

Damn I miss when 40k cities looked like sci fi cities instead of generic GOTHIC CATHEDRAL CHUNK no 245

>>51004788
Seeing as how they've reprinted Rogue Trader, I would pay serious shekels if they reprint some of the other old books, like Freebooterz and Waagh da Orks

>>51080588
>Corsairs did get updated rules from FW, but outside of a Wraithknight addition I don't think they did much modelwise.

Darn it.

We need more stuff on them. They are essentially Eldar Rouge Traders.

Hell if we're at it, they should also do rules for Rouge Traders, Ork Freebooterz, Chaos and Necron Pirates (the latter because Matt Ward did one of the few good things and actually made them canon via Thaszar The Invincible).

>>51035601
I miss the days when Chaos warriors were more than just identikit spiky knights

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>>51080588
>I don't think they did much modelwise.

There's a couple of resin upgrade kits for guardians/jetbikes.

>>51043603
Which is retarded of them.
One of the guys at my local GW when Gorkamorka came out had these immense kitbashed battlewagons made from about 5 different GW vehicle kits with a load of extra gubbins from other places added on. His conversion work, and the fact the staff there encouraged us kids to do the same led to me buying tones of stuff to try and do the same!

>>51057947
I agree, Paul Bonner's Ork artwork was what sold me on them as my favourite faction back in RT

>>51072361
Although those sculptss were originally used in Advanced HeroQuest, which was concurrent with 3rd ed, that box is from 4th ed. In 3rd ed, the only plastic skaven available were in the multirace box set that had head-swappable orcs, dark elves and skaven models

>>51074726
It doesn't help that Gorkamorka orks are a little dainty compared with more recent models. Older ork models from 2nd and RT are even more so

>>51080588
>Of course the HH could have portrayed the Imperium as even more radically different than its current state, why it didn't I can't say. I can guess that in addition to being tied to some things that came before, they didn't want to rock the boat too much. The goal being to provide something that was the same and yet somewhat different at the same time.

Part of it is precisely that they wanted it to be recognisable but at the same time show that the Great Crusade was a time of hope and noble intentions, a golden age before the current dark age of stagnation and slow decay. That's a theme that's been in place since RT; before the Horus Heresy had even become a thing and the Emperor only sat on the Golden Throne because he had vastly exceeded his natural lifespan

>>51089913
>Eldar Rouge Traders.
Fucken Eldar, selling their shitty cosmetics all over the place

>>51090413
Don't forget that they shoot everyone who don't buy them.

They actually do have awesome cosmetics, but they sell to mon-keigh those that are shit on purpose. DICK SPACE FAIRIES THEY ARE.

>>51073524
>Ashley Burch
>Anthony Burch

Get the fuck off of this imageboard.

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>>51090446
Even the worst eldar cosmetics are a hundred times better than anything humanity could produce. Or so the Eldar would genuinely believe.

>>51090770
Found it in one of the topics, it's all about the filename. As someone who dropped out in the 8th edition, it's true.

I also saw it titled "Three Riptides List".

I don't know from where it comes from.

>>51090770
literally who

>>51090902
What are the armor supposed to be made of? It got some kind of scales.

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>>51090770
Pls don't put /v/ sperging in /tg/. Anthony Burch is a hilarious, tragic, tale, but he has nothing to do with RT.

Also, fuck me, guys. I used to hate it, but now I really dig the 2000AD aesthetic thanks to RT and playing a few older sci-fi/cyberpunk games. It's just so weirdly... Lively.

I think that's the issue with modern sci-fi. Everything looks like it was made by Apple and fresh out of the box. 40k still has it, kind of, but only because the spess mehreens are so chunky. They're still, however, utterly characterless. The old muhreens looked kinda shit, but they were distinctively shit. Kinda like the aliens with the tiny heads and huge bodies from the Fifth Element. Completely ridiculous, but it sticks with you where modern marines kinda don't.

I know the era had a lot of edgy bullshit and pitfalls, but boy did they love their details. Makes me want to run a 2000AD-inspired campaign.

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>>51092329
Because of my recent interest in Rogue Trader, I went back and started reading Judge Dredd and Rogue Trooper in their entirety. Rogue Trooper is really making me want to kitbash some hardware out of cheap model kits and toys.

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>>51092392
I haven't read ABC warriors yet (mostly because it seems like an absolute fucking trip), but the robot designs are really nice, in my opinion. Hammerstein looks like a GI-Joe Dreadnought.

>>51092329
>lively
the word is"cartoonish"

you know like world of warcraft

>>51061673
>>51061656
that's the right shit

looks crust punk as fuck

>>51092579
40k-inspired sludgecrust group when? I'm tired of the symphonic metal bullshit we get with most fanmusic.

>>51004244
the most hilarious mini today, I remember when I saw it on person I laughed so much that I almost passed out.

>>51092600
bolt thrower was originally associated with grindcore

and there's always Skaven
they rarely reference warhammer but they were one of the best crust bands around
they had
TWO
BASS
PLAYERS

>>51092647
I always thought Bolt Thrower was a death metal group. I'd paint minis with them, though.

Also, never heard of them. They're fucking nice, really. Makes me wanna do that kind of stuff too, which is a sign of good crustpunk.

>>51092751
Bolt Thrower IS death metal but some called their debut album grindcore for some reason.

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>>51038814
Using the Militia box for the Witch Hunter Warband? Hows the bits setup with that box. I started with Skaven, got the group together with a single box of clanrats just enough 1h swords to make some distinguishable models. Currently working on a Wood Elf warband. I wish Raging Heroes would get their damned fantasy infantry going so I could get a Sisters band together...

>>51088558
Adding to what >>51089005 said, It's also a smaller-scale game, thus easier to get into, and the rules are very different, with more detail and a stronger feeling of fun.

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Mighty oldhammer, tell me- what the hell is that? I bought some of it. They are clearly different factions, I often see them assorted with old Wh40k stuff...

But no one has idea from where they come from. They have slightly bigger bases and stupid stickers all over them.

>>51097717
Nah, I built them from other stuff- mainly old Mordheim fakes (good ones and from that time, simmilar and with less lead, wouldn't know they are knock-offs if did not bought them from honest guy) and conversions from old WH and 40k metals.

I have some Reiklanders/Middenhaimers from it tho.

That box is one of highest points in GW kitbashing. Awesome box, only flagellants can compare IMHO.

Great game, great miniatures, bro author, shit parent company.

>>51097717
Kings of War has some not Sisters in their Basilea

>>51098768
Looks like Chinese knockoff toys.

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>>51089921

I imagine those were all individual clampacks, so it was likely easier to do. Plus the less models you need the more incentive there is to offer models that look strikingly different.

>>51089943

True, but that doesn't really count as much to me. I don't think there is a huge difference between the Craftworld models with and without Corsair additions. Granted since Corsairs partly come from Craftworlds, that could be the point.

>>51090153
What's wrong with you? Those are Warhammer 4th plastic skaven, debuted in Talisman.
Real AHQ Skaven
http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Sjeng77/media/HeroQuest/IMG_0256_zps7c77ac62.jpg.html

>

>>51098768
Those.. now that takes me back.. it was called Havok, basically an attempt to make a cheaper younger audience 40k with prepainted models and the base stickers so extra work wasnt needed. I had some of the stuff bought for me when I was just getting interested in wargaming in my wee years. I can at least remember enjoying it? I think I got a load of it for cheap when it all went bust. Though I had no one to play with at the time so it's all in the attic somewhere I think.

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>>51107022
Holy shit, it looks like Rob Liefeld: the game
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/19158/havok-skirmish-battle-set

Elito bamperito

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Old frateris militia minis

>>51107188

It looks like sci-fi Mage Knight lol

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>>51111231
>the middle one

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Not oldhammer but a modern figure taking inspiration from the 4/5E Dragon Princes.

>>51082859
The fact that it comes with card terrain is pretty relevant.

The last time GW did card terrain was... early 90's. I'm not getting my hopes up, but if it turns into some gorkamorka/necromunda/kill-team style hybrid I would not be surprised.

>>51117788
>That Essex 3 swords motif
Mah niga

>>51117991
That image right there is why my first Fantasy army was High Elves.

But then I got into Empire and had waaaay more fun.

>>51118072
I love that image too. It is one of my favourites. I posted it as it's from the first WD I bought for myself rather than stealing my brother's.

High Elves, Wood Elves, Empire and Bretonnia those boys are my jam.

>>51101081
>>51102399
>>51105590

These look straight out of Mortasheen

>>51004209

>Shhh brothers the magazine is telling me something?
>What is it brother? What does the magazine say?
>Exterminate orks.
>So it said so it must be done.

>>51040081

Those Macrocosm dorfs look like they would make a pretty fun gang for some Gorkamorka/Ash Wastes type vehicle skirmish.

>>51125808

Always get so much nostalgia when I see those little fuckers.

I'm sure I've still got a few in a box somewhere but not nearly enough.

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> GW never made a model of this

It's my favourite guard design too. Life is pain.

>>51004209

Anyone here play Inquisimunda at all? Or Inquisitor?

I kinda wanna get into it. Seems funner than 40k.

>>51126034

Cadian torso, High Elf archer legs, heads from maybe Scions.

>>51126034

If GW does another plastic regiment I imagine they'll look something like this or Krieg.

>>51126590
I convert and model a bunch of stuff for Inq28 but never play it. It's OldHammer in the sense that it uses older rulesets and sometimes fluff, but it doesn't really use older models or paintjobs and it definitely doesn't focus on the more humorous side like a lot of OldHammer stuff does.

>>51009628
Kek gotta love da boyz

Love this thread. Not saying I'm old but I started reading WD for the AD&D articles.

40k 1st ed was the last /tg/ game I seriously played (moved on to ASL eventually), I think that was the pinnacle of GWs output before they turned properly evil, although it had already started by then with the invention of the "GW hobby" and WD was a catalogue.

Its sad how they ruined the setting, at the time there was virtually zero chance you weren't subscribing to 2000AD and playing WH40k, it was a demographic thing so everyone got it.

Saddest thing about the setting is the removal of irony. Space Marines are supposed to be a joke, 7 foot monsters created to ensure the purity of humanity. This is now treated, it seems, as a continuity problem to be explained. Urgh.

Still, reminded me to look and just discovered Travellers is available online so some good has come of all this.

>>51129272
>Space Marines are supposed to be a joke

I think 'joke' is a bit strong but they're probably meant to be taken a little less seriously than they are these days.

I think the biggest change is how now they're all noble and knightly (well except for the edgy chapters) but back in the day they were all ex-tribals or hive gangers.

>>51129539
>I think the biggest change is how now they're all noble and knightly (well except for the edgy chapters) but back in the day they were all ex-tribals or hive gangers.
Agreed, the whole geneseed thing is a huge change, not to mention really dumb.

>>51056877
There's something so lovely to seeing Vietnam-era US Army inspired Orks.

>>51092776
Because their debut album is pure grindcore. It has no finesse that comes with heavy metal. It's just pure fucking punk violence at typical death metal speeds and intensity. Therefore grindcore.

>>51129539
Well yes, they are the Sardaukar from Dune bascially. 40kRT was very influenced aesthetically by the David Lynch film also.

Grimdarkness is funny if everyone is awful (and its a wargame, asskicking is the only relevant matter at hand). I'm far from an SJW but find taking it seriously a bit distasteful.

bamf!

>>51131028
>I'm far from an SJW but find taking it seriously a bit distasteful.
No shit. There's a teeeeensy bit of space between "SJW" and "full on techno-Nazi". That they nazied up the Imperium hard was another bad change

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>digging through closet
>find this
Where the fuck did this come from

>>51138577
Bunch of white lions, I can only assume they came from a GW store. I dunno, did you have people over for a game one time and they just got left there? Someone lend you them?

God I really miss old warhammer art

I wish there was a repository for all of this

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>>51129539

They're still taken from Feral planets or Hive Worlds since those produce humans born into fighting.

Whether they're treated as noble and knightly depends on who is writing them, you're just as likely to seem them depicted as zealous living weapons.