Age of Sigmar General

First for president kroak and vice president vortex

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FIX IT
FIX IT
FIX IT

>butt blasted wfb nerds exploit OP combo that GW didn't think through
>tripfriend insists competitive AoS is fine
>people fall for wow bait in every thread
>no truly new releases in 6 months, probably never again
It is the beginning of the end...

>>50669155
They making money man, I prefer WHFB myself but the change has come and since GHB age is doing ok. Just have to wait and see if the people buying the stuff will keep buying it

>>50668678
>follow the guide
i will try but it is easier to say than do.
I will fuck this up so hard

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>>50669155
Just ignore it guys. Leave it alone. Move on.

>>50669202
Are you a new painter? Because likely you will be fucking it up no matter what instructions we give. Because that's just how it is. Your first minis painted are likely going to suck, but just follow painting guides, which are designed for beginners, and even watch Duncan's videos as he gives good tips on painting.

>>50669155
the wfb spergs' salt levels are immeasureable.
Like the dude who set his 600 euro army on fire cause he has such a hateboner for AoS

>>50669233
>Are you a new painter?
i may as well be, last time i painted figurines were some skeletons 10+ years ago and one test skeleton today

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i think i know why Infinity is doing okay...
they have femmodels, waifus.
Warhammer has very little waifus and is not doing so well.
Coincidence?

>>50669242
Yea I've come to accept it. I totally rejected it until GHB came out. The way I see it, it is an end to the collection. No more chasing the plastic pony.

>>50669410
>not plastic dragon
C'mon man, you had one job.

>>50669391
It's not doing poorly

>>50669391
No, infinity is doing okay because "muh animu"

It's also a well designed game, but I have no interest in it, and I like cheesy pinups. My big issue is there is no wiggle room for aesthetic and conversions. Also it's all metal. I fucking hate metal models.

>>50669410
i want wfbfags to leave or accept reality.

Btw what "nu" races you think GW will add to AoS?

>>50669391
Kys waifu faggot

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>>50669587
No idea, just hope my gutbusters get some cool stuff eventually and they aren't left behind for the BCR. Likely not soon since they did do the ogres recently. Here's a WIP

>>50669391
this
>>50669477
also there are not many other sci-fi skirmishers with their own miniature lines.
they've found their nieche

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1 Balewind Vortex,
1 Morathi Leader,
4 Darkshards Battleline,
1 Sisters of Slaughter,
1 Loremaster leader,
1 Dragonlord Leader Behemoth,
1 Dreadlord on Black Dragon Leader Behemoth,
1 Sisters of the Thorn,
1 Sisters of the Watch,
1 Alarielle the Radiant Leader,
1 Handmaiden of the Everqueen Leader

This list murdered: Beastclaw Raiders, Ironjaws, Other Elves, Stormcast multiple flavors, Nurgle daemons, Khorn Daemons, Bloodbound, Multiple flavors of Scavin, Death of multiple flavors, Seraphon, and Silvaneth.

15 games deep zero losses all at 2000 or 2500 points matched play. I think this is officially the best army in the game.

>>50670447
>I play exclusively against bad player.

FTFY

>>50670515
>FTFY

does believing that comfort you?

>>50670531
Does profiding so many proofs about thoses claims makes your peepee hard ?

>>50670562
>Does profiding so many proofs about thoses claims makes your peepee hard ?

believe what you want to believe. You lack of belief is not necessary.

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For some reason I have this terrible feeling that after working on and painting my army for months, I am going to field it and get tabled on turn 2 of the first game I play with it.

I had this same fear about 40k, and it turned out to be true.

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>>50670630
>For some reason I have this terrible feeling that after working on and painting my army for months, I am going to field it and get tabled on turn 2 of the first game I play with it.

what's your army list and I will tell you my opinion about how likely it is your fear is justified.

>>50670737
I saw u on Reddit

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Hi guys
so heres my army. i'm in fact on a 2178 games winning streak all won by, on before turn 1!
I played against everything and even some apocalypse 40k army but no one can beat me!
I even got a medal from Queen Elisabeth 2 and a blowjob from Kirby !
Also im a Jcup 10 years old girl completing my PhD in 2 months!

also send me your armylist because i obviously know your meta and what kind of player you'll be against so i cam definetly give you the objective point of you of an UNDEAFEATED master (me).

>>50670880
>Hi guysso heres my army. i'm in fact on a 2178 games winning streak all won by, on before turn 1! I played against everything and even some apocalypse 40k army but no one can beat me!I even got a medal from Queen Elisabeth 2 and a blowjob from Kirby !Also im a Jcup 10 years old girl completing my PhD in 2 months!also send me your armylist because i obviously know your meta and what kind of player you'll be against so i cam definetly give you the objective point of you of an UNDEAFEATED master (me

someone is a little sad they aren't as cool as this guy >>50670447

>>50670879
>I saw u on Reddit

that shit hole sucks, but yes that was me. Also I keep getting banned from TGA cause the mods there are SJW asshats who cant take a joke.

>>50670737
>1000 points - work in progress
Wulfrik the Wanderer <General>
Bloodsecrator <artifact - crown of conquest>
Marauders x30, shields
Bloodreavers x30, reaver blades
warshrine
horsemen x5, javelins
horsemen x5, javelins

>1500 points - next steps
Wulfrik the Wanderer <General>
Bloodsecrator
chaos sorceror lord <artifact - crown of conquest>
familiars
Marauders x40, shields
Marauders x40, shields
Bloodreavers x20, reaver blades
Bloodreavers x20, reaver blades
warshrine
horsemen x5, javelins
horsemen x5, javelins

I have almost no shooting, and the 1000 point list has no mortal wounds. I've also been told using too many light infantry can be seen as poor sportsmanship due to how long it takes to move everything, but from the beginning I wanted an army of barbarian types. If there was a marauder equivalent of chosen I would field it.

if I had to fight a vortex kroak I would just lose right then and there. The bloodsecrator would get sniped out first turn, and the wizard or warshrine after that. Without those units, the rest of the army will fold very quickly.

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>>50669477
>animu
>Game just looks like call of duty and gears of war had a halo baby
>The shit looks western as fuck
Seriously, it's like people who call shit "anime" have never actually watched anime.

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>>50670988
>>1000 points - work in progressWulfrik the Wanderer <General>Bloodsecrator <artifact - crown of conquest>Marauders x30, shieldsBloodreavers x30, reaver bladeswarshrinehorsemen x5, javelinshorsemen x5, javelins>1500 points - next stepsWulfrik the Wanderer <General>Bloodsecratorchaos sorceror lord <artifact - crown of conquest>familiarsMarauders x40, shieldsMarauders x40, shieldsBloodreavers x20, reaver bladesBloodreavers x20, reaver bladeswarshrinehorsemen x5, javelinshorsemen x5, javelinsI have almost no shooting, and the 1000 point list has no mortal wounds. I've also been told using too many light infantry can be seen as poor sportsmanship due to how long it takes to move everything, but from the beginning I wanted an army of barbarian types. If there was a marauder equivalent of chosen I would field it.if I had to fight a vortex kroak I would just lose right then and there. The bloodsecrator would get sniped out first turn, and the wizard or warshrine after that. Without those units, the rest of the army will fold very quickly.


That list would be a new one for me. You would have a ton of bodies on the table and could potentially do some work with the overwhelming numbers. Truth is I don't exactly know how that list would play out but either way it would be fun to play against something unique like you've got going. No one ever thinks my army will win either cause conventional wisdom says it shouldn't.

Maybe someone else has seen something similar in action and can give you some better feedback.

>>50670931
>t. phoneposter

>>50670447
>playing 2000pt on a 4x4

>>50671414
pic doesn't show the rest of the table...

>>50671104
No anon, you have never watched anime. I have a feeling the only anime you are familiar with is sailor Moon and dragon Ball. Infinity is so anime the entire game is a love letter to Japanese entertainment

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>>50671709
The stuff from infinity just looks like shit from modern videogames. Primarily shooters of the third and first variety.

>>50671565
thats a 4x4 games workshop battle mat

unless you show the rest of the table its fair to assume youre playing on a 4x4

>>50671749
You haven't watched much anime have you?

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Moonclan Grots is best grots
Gitmob fondles wolf dicks

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>>50671830
You must watch some crazy gritty military anime made for westners with realistic faces and lots of shooting where characters have to stay in cover in order to survive more than one second to think this is "anime".

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>>50671869
Reminds me of akira

>>50671869
You must watch some fruity over-the-top declare your attacks lightshow action magical anime shit to think that infinity is a western aesthetic.

>>50669391
That shark looks like a total slut

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>>50672154
Generally speaking it is a western aesthetic. You see, declaring something to look anime means that it looks like the majority of anime, if it merely looks like fringe cases as opposed to the core of the genre, then it doesn't look like the genre; but those fringe cases alone. If you want to go for something that actually looks like infinity, you'd have to go for western videogame. Hell, they have an assasin's creed faction.

Are we going to start calling 40k a "fisher-price game"

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>>50671869
No anime influence here at all, no siree.

Seriously though, some of the drones in the game are 1:1 designs from Ghost in the Shell, the bikers are obviously Akira and you even got Japanese video games with fucking Snake in there.
Plus some spanish stuff, like a corrupt politican as HVT etc.
Other stuff references Hollywood with Braveheart and Highlander too of course.

Infinity steals from everywhere. Most of it comes from Anime and Manga though.

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>>50672213
>that denial
Seriously? You really think Infinity isn't anime? Dude, the creators have clearly said "yeah this shit is inspired by anime", not in those words but the same thing. Look at the official art and concept art for the game.

Just because YOU don't think it's not anime, does not mean isn't. I get you are trying to distance yourself from the animu weirdos as much as possible and enjoy the game on its own merits, but that attitude does not make your game any less eastern.

>>50672260
Can we please not fucking talk about this here? It's enough having to deal with the daily WHFB shitters, and now we have to deal with infinityfags shitposting too? Give us a break

>>50672299
How is this related to Age of Sigmar?

>>50669391
>>50669477
>>50669702
>>50671104
>>50671749
>>50671869
>>50672213
>>50672260

Infinity discussion GTFO >>50616510

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For a new player, is this set a good starting point? Or should I get the gold sigmar knights vs red chaos warrior starter pack?

Out of all the releases, what has actually had new kits? All the stormcast stuff, all the bloodbound stuff, all the fyreslayer stuff and some of the ironjaws and sylvaneth? Has everything else been repackaging?

>>50672459
Unless you REALLY want to be KBB or Sigmarines get that box.

>>50672459
It's LITERALLY an old WHFB starter box but in a new packaging
I don' think it has dice or measures though, but that should matter little since chessex dice are more cost efficent and tape measures are everywhere. I'd get a fabric one though so you can measure curves though

>>50672483

Is the elf vs skaven set for christmas only? Do I have time to think about it before i pull the trigger?

>>50672493
Not sure, but even if you do fuck up and decide you wanna play a different force, its literally just the cost of a start collecting, so you don't have that much investment.

>>50672476
More or less. Can't do new models all the time. Especially when half yyour shit needs reboxing. The other factions will get new shit eventually though

>>50672323
Because Age of Sigmar is an anime game, too.

>>50672459
if you want elves or skaven, it is a good box

if you want khorne or stormcast, get the other box

if you want a different faction look to a Start Collecting! box.

>>50672521
If you want treeple or ironjawz, get their big box.
The ironjawz one also comes with a free giant too. I fucking love that kit

Potential WHFB newfag here: What pros and cons does the spire of dawn box have over the sigmar vs chaos warrior starter box? are they roughly equal in terms of what you get out of it?

Also, why do the elf horses have such small hindquarters and have donkey-like faces? Is there an alternate sculpt of this unit? I really like the half elf warriors in shining pope-hats; I think its great. And the griffon rider is an awesome centerpiece. But man, that cavalry ...

Can't decide on how I want to get started between these two box sets.

>>50672566
If you're playing WHFB go to their thread. Just... don't send any of them here. They're annoying as fuck

>>50672521
>>50672555

I guess another question I have is: are the units provided in these boxes useable past the newbie phase? Or is it just chaff that will end up sitting in a box/bag of miniatures and never see play.

>>50672580
>>50672597

Sorry I meant age of sigmar. I suppose WHFB and AoS are technically two different things.

>>50672597
pretty much yes

>>50672566
>Potential WHFB newfag here: What pros and cons does the spire of dawn box have over the sigmar vs chaos warrior starter box? are they roughly equal in terms of what you get out of it?Also, why do the elf horses have such small hindquarters and have donkey-like faces? Is there an alternate sculpt of this unit? I really like the half elf warriors in shining pope-hats; I think its great. And the griffon rider is an awesome centerpiece. But man, that cavalry ... Can't decide on how I want to get started between these two box sets.


My opinion:

The elves in this new box set are not that hot. On the upside they are exceptionally cheap in price so there is that.

The Skavin in the box game seem to be more high preforming in game terms and lend themselves more easily to expand upon into a larger competitive force.

The Stormcast and or Bloodbound starter boxes are good as jumping off points for those armies as well.

The start collecting box sets for the individual factions are IMHO the way to go unless you have a physical friend IRL who is actually going to split the cost and the models for either box game.

>>50672753
One downside of skaven is they have a really annoying fanbase for some reason

>>50672775
Well they're fucking rats

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So guys I am looking at the empire militia, and I know it's a legacy warscroll as it is seen in the old empire warscroll compendium document, but I am not entirely sure theyre gone.

Empire militia is not under complendium warscrolls in the GHB, which leads me to believe that they were either renamed for the GA:Order book, or split up or something. Were they? Because if they were, is the kit still for sale, or renamed into something?

>>50672846
They're part of one of the new Free Peoples units. They're basically a loadout now.

>>50672906
But if i wanted that kit pictured above, which kit would I look for on the GW website?

>>50671104
I didn't realize there were people on this site who had never heard of Appleseed.

>>50672937
It's out of print. You won't find it on Games Workshop's website. Try Ebay.

>>50672937
that kit was last chanced early this year

to be fair it was from 1998

Ruleswise they count as "freeguild guard"

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Drunken skaven anon from last thread here, these are my most recent rats. How do you guys do your banners? I'm beginning to be somewhat satisfied with mine.

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Hey guyz,
i played warhammer a looong time (exclusively ogres)
and had to stop 3 years ago (i still followed the fluff and read all end times etc, just couldn't play)
Now that my situation has greatly stabilized and i just ordered my airbrush, compressor, paints etc, i wanted to get back to AoS with ogres ("Ogors").

I DO NOT WANT to use my 8th ogre army into AoS (I want them to stay as they are, frozen in time in my display for remembering the good old time)
And i figured i would try the Bestclaw Rider because they look so motherfucking badass.

Just wanted to make sure that i do not do an enormous mistake by buying 4 Icewind Assault Box for christmas and that it is indeed the cheapest way to get all the models.

Thanks!

>>50673532
I hear beastclaws are turbocheese and take little finesse to play well; just move forward and smash whatever is in the way

I guess that means they embody the theme of Destruction quite well

>>50673532
Icewind assault boxes is a great way to start beastclaw ogors. But 4 of them? Ready to build and paint all those minis and never field all of them at once?

Most people are running 2000 point games, and the model count for beastclaw raiders, even in that point range, is pretty low.

I really would do only 2 icewind assault boxes and that's it. Then if you feel you need more massive-unkillable-mortal-wound-dishing monsters to bring to your tables, then get another.

>>50673601
this anon has a good point actually

ONE of those boxes is nearly 1600 points if you build it as the box art shows

>>50672311
AoSg has always been THE shitposting general

>>50673601
>Ready to build and paint all those minis and never field all of them at once?

Yes I do love painting and converting ogres.
Not fielding them isn't that important, even if i didnt knew it was that expensive in point in the new system! (i Downloaded the General handbook but have yet to look at it, since i was reading the fyreslayers battletome as well as the beastclaw)

I couldn't ever field my 8K point WHFB ogres at the same time anyway, and the icewing will probably split as 2 for me and 2 for my wife anyway.

I just take 4 because it looked good value and since the Sylvaneth one and another are already SOLD OUT, I figured i needed to get them relatively soon.
Ill check the general handbook as soon as i'm home because those point value seems crazy haha.

>>50673718
Nah man, the 15 last 40K general have been shitstorm just stacking one above on another.

>>50673725
they are very elite - nearly invincible death stars all, barfing out mortal wounds like it is nothing. It is only natural that they cost a lot of points.

>>50673011
Meanwhile zombies are a thing despite being around the same age and imo inferior in quality. I guess somebody had a massive boner for the kit at the time and so it was never resculpted and when mantic came up with better product they just gave up.

>>50673743
They are more of a containment zone at this point.

anyone know were to get the new ogre book? i dont see it on the pastebin.

>>50673532
>>50673725

I think you most probably have all those models, so you know what you are buying model wise.
Point wise, it is indeed a lot, but then i know many people with 20k+ armies that basocally cant ever be fielded.

>>50672493
GW said that they are restocking the thing. You can subsribe to some email thing or just w8 until the hype is over after christmas.

So the 'Spireguard' are now a Swifthawk Agent Battleline unit. However, 200 pt for 10 is quite a lot. Thoughts?

>>50673026
Currently I only have one skaven banner and I painted it white. Thought that was pretty clever of myself. (my other clanrats have the metal totem thingy)
For my Stormvermin I'm going to try some simple black claw-runes. Maybe on a red banner.

>>50672775
Agreed, I play Skaven but the fcking meme speak, aweful conversions and the weird cheapness is pissing me of to no end.

>Hurdur it's skaven your conversion can look like crap, that's the Skaven look...

Seriously, Skaven are closer to AdMech with their warpstone tech than Orks...

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The Spire of Dawn battalion is actually different from the old IoB one. The Skaven force is 820 points, including the battalion.

The Swifthawk Agent one won't load for me, it's only 40 points however. The full battalion force is 900 points.

>>50674697
Are these the old seaguard with bows+spear+shield? They (and other range+melee units) have always been overpriced to 'balance' this versatility. They should just be 0-1 in the force organisation and a little more expensive than regular spear or bow units. In the end you can only do one of these things each round anyway.

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>>50675585
>the Swifthawk Agent one won't load for me
Broken for me as well. Won't load, and point values are garbled.
I is true that Spireguard are 200 for 10? Because that's stupidly expensive.

>>50675585
Correction, its 940 in total.

>>50675710
>>50675707

Seems to be correct, however do note that in AoS you can still shoot when you are in combat. So effectively they have 2 attacks.

Furthermore, they halve feeling models when a Swifthawk Agent hero is nearby and get +2 bravery if another Swifthawk Agent unit with a banner is nearby. So 2 units of 10 tith banners that are 8 inch from each other have bravery 8 and halve fleeing models

>>50675707
>0-1
No, please don't. That's stupid.
Seaguard are balanced as is. They have shittier bows than archers, a worse bonus at 20 dudes and don't get anything for remaining stationary on top of costing 120 as opposed to spear-elves' 80 points.

>>50674697
200 is way to steep. 120 to 140 would be reasonable.

>>50675793
Yeah 200 might be too steep, However the they should be prices at 'elite' levels imo.

>>50675751
Their bows are 16"/4+/4+/-/1 which imo is quite good. I don't quite understand why they went from 120 to 200, since they haven't really gained new stuff for it.

Reavers do look amazing. 2 attacks, with 3 quite easily achievable due to their special move rule.

>>50675893
Spearmen cost 80 and have better special rules, gaining an additional attack at 20+ men.
A 50% increase in price for a sub-par bow is plenty, I feel.

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>>50675907
Reavers are an absolute bitch to fight if you don't have serious long-range capabilities.
When AoS was released I spent my first game waddling after an army consisting of nothing but reavers and a few dragons. That was a shitshow.

>>50676084
Don't really agree with that, your spireguard will retain their extra attack regardless of their number. to make sure you retain the 2 attacks for more than 1 turn you need 30 miniatures, which makes your full unit 240, and way more unwieldy. Furthermore a shooting attack is more versatile than 1 extra melee attack.

So the imo the spearman attack is kinda useless. 200 is too much, since then you are competing with swordmasters and their like. Maybe 140-160 would be fair imo.

>>50676084
Sorry misread your post, you're saying that 120 is a fair cost for the Spireguard. Based on their attack that would be, however they also have extra staying power from their high bravery + special rules. I'd just run them in units of 10 to exploit their versatility and bravery bonusses.

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Is it worth taking Clanrats in units of 30 at 1000pts? Or is that something that should be reserved for higher value games?

>>50676369
I run 2 units of 20 at 1000 and it has proven plenty so far. Just take the crown of conquest to stop them from running away. I use them to defend objectives and tarpit, and use my other toys to kill stuff (they are not very good at killing things. And don't forget to abuse the standard bearer, quite hilarious.

>>50675735
>So effectively they have 2 attacks.
More like 1,5 attacks.

You can't attack with ranged weapons in the enemy turn, unlike melee.

>>50676405
Fair point, however you have more choice in what you're attacking which is also nice.

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>>50676386
Alright, thanks. I've put together an army list using the models I have access to right now, is it at least decent for casual play?


>Skaven 1000pts:

>Leader:
>1x Skaven Warlord w/2x Barbed Blades, Lord of War + Crown of Conquest - 100pts

>Battleline:
>Clanrats x20 w/hand weapons, shields, musician + standard - 120pts
>Clanrats x20 w/spears, shields, musician + standard - 120pts

>Other:
>Stormvermin x20 w/shields, standard + musician - 280pts
>Rat Ogres x2 - 120pts
>Poisoned Wind Mortar - 60pts
>Warp-Fire Thrower - 60pts

>Behemoth:
>DOOMWHEEL - 140pts

>Total: 1000pts

So will the Guardians of the Dawnspire battallion include a rule that makes the whole battallion count as Allegiance: Swifthawk Agents? Otherwise the list is not 'pitched battle' legal.

>>50676630
Looks good to me although if possible run the 2nd unit of clanrats with hand weapons as well.

You could consider swapping out the Doomwheel for an Arch-Warlock since it's more versatile. He can cast 2 spells a turn and a well placed arcane shield + warpstorm can make quite a difference. Although the miniature of the Arch-Warlock is a nightmare to assemble due to moulding issues. I made my local GW assemble it for me :)

I always loved the shadow warriors and reavers as a basis for shooty elves. Can Swifthawk be a good army now, based on them and maybe adding some execs or pg for heavy hitting? Would a list of reavers, chariots and eagle chariots be cheese? If I add a warden for the hurricane charge, 3 chariots, some reavers and shadow warriors and 2 pennant wardens, do you think it would work?

>>50676685
You could also add the Warden on Griffon, which is now Swifthawk option. 220 points is not too expensive either.

>>50676715
Yeah, he's the first warden I was talking about, the hurricane charge is his CA, seems like it would mesh well if I need a skywagon/chariot charge.

>mfw in 40k, I love all the "good" factions
>in fantasy, all my favs are the bad guys

Am I the only one? 40k chaos seems so lame compared to the Fantasy equivalent

>>50676774
Yeah my mistake. I think a list like that is fine and not cheesy however claiming numerical superiority on objectives might prove difficult. Let's hope they fix the Spireguard point cost cuz a block of 20 spireguard would help with that weakness.

>>50676825
True, they'll be move and shoot: the army. Can't catch what can both run and shoot in the same turn! Obj holders would be SW for me, if the spireguard price keeps at 200. Else I already own 2 sets of SoD reavers and guards, 4 chariots, a high warden and a nib sky chariot. If reavers are general battleline still, maybe add a couple of mounted mages for mortal wounds.

GW asking for suggestions for what models people want made to order for GA:Order armies on the Age of Sigmar facebook group.

Made to Order for them soon apparently.

>>50676665
The Clanrats aren't assembled yet, so I can do both with hand weapons.

I think I'll keep the Doomwheel though because I love the model and the concept behind it. It's one of the things that hooked me onto the Skaven in the first place, actually.

>>50673532
Get 2 Icewind Assault at most.

You'll never use more than 6 sabres, you probably won't even use 3.

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>>50676880
>tomb kings might come back

Oh god yes

>>50676781
Because in 40k Chaos is not just a morning cartoon villain.
Every guy that has fallen to Chaos in 40k had a reason and a story behind it, which is maybe not shareable but understandable at least.

In Fantasy bad guys are that way just cause.

I don't like it either.

>>50676902
Cool! Have much is painted already or are you just starting? They've also just released a new Warscroll battallion which has some fun shenanigans.

>>50676989
I think you got what I said backwards...

>>50676989
>In Fantasy bad guys are that way just cause.
Objectively false

There's a short story about a Stormcast visiting a tribe of humans that worship a chaos god. He asks them why they worship chaos instead of Sigmar, and they say something along the lines of "We prayed for generations, but Sigmar did not answer. We worship Chaos because that is the only way to survive in this realm".

Like most of the fluff they could definitely expand it more, but I'm sure that will come with time.

>>50676967
Don't get to excited, made to order waves only last a few days.

>>50677012
That's the whole problem with AoS 'lore' it's still more barebones at the moment than your average magic setting.

>>50677012
Did the people end up getting converted back to Sigmar?

>>50677003
Just starting out; I got the army from Island of Blood off Ebay for cheap and picked up a few boxes from a cheap LGS.

And where can you find new battalions? Are they on the GW site or do they tend to get released in books?

>>50676630
>20 clanrats with handweapons
Never fucking ever. 1"-reach weapons on hordes such balls. If you must have handweapons for some reason (un-converted Spire of Dawn clanrats, I suppose), field them as ten-rat roadblocks instead of hording it up.

>>50677100
Battalions tend to be released in books.

>>50677057
I believe it'll be good in the end thanks too the whole "different realms" stuff, as it gives people more creative freedom as opposed to having to pick factions that are kind of set in stone on a small map. It just needs to be fleshed out more

>>50677100
It's in the Age of Sigmar app. Weirdly enough it's listed under Order: Swifthawk Agents.

>>50677105
But a unit of 20 with spears hits on 5+ and with clever spreading I've been getting quite some mileage out of those units of 20. Mind you I run 20 with hand weapons and 20 with spears since I only have the 40 IoB clanrats.

>>50677100

New IoB/Spire of Dawn battallion: >>50675585

>>50677064
No, their chieftain ventured into a Silver Tower seeking power to protect the tribe and, after attaining that power, returned and slaughtered them all, since what use would they be to him now that he was a daemon prince.

>>50677193
Chaos is a fickle bitch

>>50677193
Is that the same Chieftain as the Darkoath Chieftain from the Silver Tower boxed game?

>>50677209
Yeah, its in the fluff book, Labyrinth of the Lost, it's in the mega.

>>50677255
Cool! Any more details about the other characters?

>>50676967
The amount of retards posting on that thread is astounding, some guy just keeps spamming old GD and LE models.

MTO is going to be recent things only, so tomb kings might pop up, but a lot of exclusively metal models are coming up so Im doubtful of the mostly-plastic TK range.

>>50677170
>spears hit on 5+
And handweapons hit on 4+, but can't strike from two ranks, need to maneuver way more, can't bunch up effectively and can't support another unit that's already engaged.
That said, for a roadbump unit of ten, handweapons are fine to maximize the potential damage you want to squeeze out of them.

>>50677279
I just want some gladeriders and waywatchers so I can make a bandit style Wood Elf army.

I made the mistake of only getting one box of glade riders when they went out of print, I didn't appreciate how much I actually like the model sculpts until they were gone.

The thing I REALLY want is the old Empire Knight kit that had the Knight of the White Wolf components, but that is a longshot.

>>50677305
You should be able to get a 2nd rank in, 20mm bases means 0.8(0.78 to be more precise) inch distance

>>50677279
>I would like you to bring back Warhammer Fantasy battles and distance yourself from Age of Sigmar.
I regret looking at the posts in that thread.

>>50677268
The Stormcast was sent in there by Siggy himself to conquer the tower and kill the Summoner, the mistweaver and shard can't remember, and ol' dwarfy lost his way in there trying to guide an earlier party.

>>50677441
32mm round bases won't allow that.

So I'm thinking of making a 'Wild Hunt' themed army, and was disappointed to see there's no way to make a fully mounted force within the constraints of the GHB Pitched Battle rules. The Wanderers fit the aesthetic I want (and after a little conversion work will be perfect) so I made this sample army list.

Wayfinder (General)
Nomad Prince

2 x 10 Wildwood Rangers

2 x 10 Wild Riders

That makes it up to 1040pts, so not too far over the limit. This list alright? I mainly make armies for fluff and painting reasons, very rarely play a game but I like to make sure that they're not utterly shit just in case I ever get a game in.

Alternatively, anyone know how I can get that fully mounted force of vengeful wyldfae I truly desire?

>>50677628
Are clanrats on 25mm or 32mm? The picture makes it look like 25mm...

a 25mm base is 1" in diameter, so you can get in a fight with your opponent over whether the second rank can just barely reach or not.

>>50677644
>disappointed to see there's no way to make a fully mounted force within the constraints of the GHB Pitched Battle rules

Yes there is. You can actually do it using nothing but Wood Elf models.

Wood Elves have access to a few different mounted Lord choices, as well as a mounted mage.

Glade Riders are Battleline, and then they have Sisters of the Thorn, Warhawk Riders and Wildriders as other mounted units.

Even without stretching out to other armies, you can make a Generals Handbook legal mounted army.

>>50677628
>>50677673

My Clanrats are still on their 8th edition legal 20mm bases. Those are also the bases that the webshop still packs them with by default.

However if you don't measure base to base, which might be the case when you don't use the official bases, you can squeeze that inch out even more easily.

>>50677644
Reavers, Glade Riders and Silverhelms are all battle line and very elf-y. Why not use them?

>>50677673
Might be 25mm, I'm not sure. But even then I'd argue that 1" reach is not enogh to get over such a base, as you said.

>>50677762
Yeah on 25mm you're really stretching him. Which is why 20mm old-school squares are based.

>>50677743
>>50677681

Ah, forgot to look in the Compendium for the OOP stuff. Will I get ripped off on ebay for the models or are they reasonably available?

>>50677762
I with they'd increase the range on the weapons it 1.1" or decrease it to 0.9"

that way it can clearly either reach over a 25mm base or not, but not 1.25" or would get into the same argument over 32mm basses

>>50677787
Using 20mm squares to get your second rank's knives to phase through the front rank and hit the enemy can also be pretty easily considered being a dick.

>>50677812
Depends. Brets and TK are ripoffs, other stuff not to such a degree unless they're really popular stuff. WE should be kinda ok, since they weren't the most popular faction.

>>50677812
For unassembled models, you will be paying through your ass.

If you are happy stripping and repainting horrible paint jobs, then it isn't so bad.

If you can wait to buy it all at once, then the Grand Alliance: Order "Made to Order" is coming soon, and if the things you want are on sale then you can buy it from GW at a normal price.
I advise you make a few lists to cover your bases if certain models you are relying on being put on there don't get released.

>>50677841
Why? Haven't really modelled for advantage since I've just used the bases that are still included in the box. And we measure from base to base to avoid 'unfair' advantage gained by certain weapons.

>>50677841
Really, the people who complain about putting models on 20mm square bases when the model comes with them is the one being the dick.

So I can build a 1k Swifthawk list of what I have lying around from before, how does this sound?
High Warden - 220 leader, general
Skywarden on Skycutter - 160 leader
Reavers x5 - 160 battleline
Reavers x 5 - 160 battleline
Chariots x 3 - 240
Archmage on Aelven Steed - 120 leader
Run n' gun the army, skywarden gives +1 to wound, high warden reroll charges and chariots will be the combat part, rerolling failed wounds on charge.

>>50677812
Alright so as an update to this after a little look through the compendium I came up with this.

Glade Lord on Great Stag
Mounted Glade Lord
2 x 8 Glade Riders
2 x 5 Wild Riders
1 x 5 Hunting Hounds

Comes to 980pts. Very happy with how it fits with the fluffy feel I wanted for them, and the way each of the heroes can buff either the Wild or Glade Riders gives a little extra flexibility.

Time to go to ebay to see how much this will all cost me.

>>50677949
This! Let's assume I'm a new player with a box of infantry on 20mm squares (as included), I built my unit, field it in a battle and measure from base to base since my opponent tells me that is more fair. I then measure the distance between models and get of the '2nd rank' of attacks.

>You're a dick anon, even though you've used a courtesy houserule and assembled your mini's as instructed.

On a more serious note, I notice that running a 20 man units in a wide wing/wedge gives me more potential for attacks than square blocks. then again my clanrats are mostly LoS/Movement blockers for my other stuff.

>>50677871
this

the worst of it is on the models that got reduced in price

try buying used chaos marauders on ebay. Not only are they still in print, but people are asking for MORE than MSRP for a already assembled model.

>>50677972
Hounds can be iffy, since they only came with orion.

>>50677988
but Anon-Kun, JewWee never reduces price ,ever right?

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>>50678002
Fenrisian Wolves should do the trick quite nicely? Orion's Hounds use cavalry bases as well so.

>>50678015
I do, and they are all in the OP

>>50677972
>each of the heroes can buff either the Wild or Glade Riders gives a little extra flexibility.

Remember only one of them can use their command ability though, and you wont really want to be charging the Glade Riders all that much.

For that reason, I would suggest swapping the Mounted Glade Lord with a Mounted Spellweaver. It costs 20 points more, so it will bring you up to exactly 1000, and it gives you a Wizard, so you have access to Arcane Bolt and Mystic Shield, as well as their special spell which revives D3 dead models. This is especially useful in a mounted army, since every model has 2 wound, so if you roll a 5 or a 6, that unit effectively gains 6 wounds.

>>50678014
I know you are joking around, but this attitude annoys me too.

Chaos Knights used to be 5 for 35 USD (7 USD a model). Now they are 10 for 60 USD (6 USD a model). It isn't a huge price reduction, but it is something.

They have all kinds of bundles with savings attached now that they didn't ever even consider having when kirby was calling the shots.

The leadership of any company will make a difference, so long as the shareholder's allow them. We've seen GW do a lot of things this year we would never in a million years think they were going to do.

I am very curious to see how their half-annual report will reflect all this, but I don't believe they have released that yet

>>50678024
Ah, never thought of using those. Good idea.

>>50678049
Great advice, thank you. I did think that maybe charging when armed with bows wasn't the greatest idea. Nice round 1000 points, very fluffy and probably not too shabby for casual play. Awesome.

Alright, I love it when a plan comes together. You've been extremely helpful /aosg/, many thanks.

>>50678075
Same Anon here. People who complain about the prices need to get a grip imo. The amount of time and fun I get out of a box of miniatures vastly outstrips most videogames. Furthermore, as other adult hobbies are concerned it's quite cheap (say compared to photography, most sports, etc).

I do have to add that i recently bought a Gunpla kit that was 20 eu for a fully articulated, action figure, with better moulding and stuff than a GW miniature.

GW is mostly expensive when compared to other miniatures or that kind of stuff, but it's not really expensive imo. And people saying: Warhammer is one of the most expansive hobbies around (I've seen quotes to that effect quite often) need to stop being poorfags.

>>50678075
They did. After currency adjustment, profits doubled from about 6.2 million pounds to 13 million pounds year over year for the first six months.

>>50678135
compare 40k or AoS price per model and quality of kits compared to reaper metals and GW looks like a bargain.

Yet nobody hates on Reaper's prices or the quality of their miniatures.

>>50678121
Be careful around armies with lots of ways to cause mortal wounds though. Neutralising spellcasters and artillery is prudent

>>50678135
You can say what you want about the prices, but honestly you won't find a better miniature maker better than GW in terms of quality of sculpts and product. They are at the top, and I'm glad to see they pulled their head out of their ass when it came to redoing the prices to make it more appealing and cheaper to start an army.

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>>50676880
I'd love to see some of the cooler Dogs of War but I don't that would happen. More realistically it would be cool to see Kislev Winged Lancers.

I'll have to laugh if what we get is Morathi's big round titties right after the Diazmonettes.

>>50678215
GW prices has become somewhat of a meme.

>>50678249
Well I must say, although not a direct comparison, I was very pleasently surprised by the sheer quality of the Gunpla stuff by Bandai. No glue needed, everything fits 100% flush, no flash. But yes, GW makes the best fantasy miniatures in my opinion.

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>>50678264
Stil think that's one of the ugliest female sculpts the've ever done. Nothing about that miniature conveys sex or seduction. It's poorly proportioned and doesn't have any of the finesse of the artwork.

>>50670447
So what exactly here makes this army strong?

I mean looking at it I don't see how it would even survive against a 2,000pt Fyreslayer army.

>>50676902
As a skaven player I say spears are better, being essentially two 5+ attacks rather than one 4+. Only groups of ten need hand weapons, and they aren't as useful in small groups.

Would warherds be a good addition to a marauder focused Slaves to Darkness army? Becuase I am planning on adding some bullgors, and maybe even a Ghorgon to my army

>>50678511
Hell yeah they would. The saves are so low all round, mortal wounds aren't as scary! That's the advantage of meaty low-armor units.

>>50678511
At least they give you the heavy hitters you need. And a cygor is good vs wizards.

>>50678511
Minotaurs are really nasty bulldozers (especially with two-handed axes) and fast enough to troubleshoot fairly effectively. They aren't as hard as they think they are, though.
Ideally, they have a Doombull with them, since his Command Ability allows to proc Bloodgreed on 5+.

>>50678511
Bullgors are a lovely unit and basically the best unit beastmen have to offer alongside the Doombull. Their shit armor would also fit the marauder-theme to a certain point.
Ghorgon on the other hand is sorta mediocre as anything but a distraction carnifex.

>>50678645
>>50678658
>>50678703
>>50678800
Thanks for the help Anons.

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>maybe bretonnia in next MTO
please don't, my wallet is raped enough already

>>50678988
Plastic or metal though? Because metal fucking sucks

Any help with a 1-1.5kpoint seraphon list? There's slot of Synergy but I'm having trouble cramming into these lower point costs.

>>50678264
I would buy so many kislev things

What's some good Age of Simgar-ish music that I can listen to when I paint and/or write fluff for AoS?

>>50678330
Females looking bad seems to be a natural byproduct of the heroic scale that GW uses.

>>50679207
I don't think it has anything to do with heroic scale. Other sculptors can do it fine.

>>50679136
Hammerfall, power metal in general

Stormcast theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDu1MtpWIEU

Bloodbound theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8c2YZkA1ps

Be'lakor theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOmMZBZGBps

>>50678988
Are Bretonnia in the Grand Alliance: Order book? Because they said only factions from that book.

>>50679284
Got anything good for Nurgle and beastmen?

>>50679326
This is about goblins but has a beastmen feel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCiyb2xvAh8

>>50679226
>continued
I think the problem more has to do with proportions.

They really want the model to be recognizably female at a distance which means they slap huge floating balloon shaped breasts on it, and they give it a super thin frame with crazy hips. The net result is it looks like something a 12 year old boy would put together rather than a miniature woman.

Alarielle's proportions are much better, but she is also super huge. I think modern GW sculptors with all the CAD tooling could do better 28mm females than the old ones, but they don't.

As for the faces, that seems a special challenge for tjhem for some reason. 3rd party heads don't have the issue, but they instead like having fade haircuts for some reason, which I think looks terrible on anyone male or female.

>>50677572
The amount of idiots in these threads is astounding. It's like people like the AoS FB page just to bitch about fantasy being gone.

Not to mention the morons that just don't get what the thread is about. Asking for 40k and non-order stuff. I mean cmon people, GW is opening up to the community, you don't act like a retard.

>>50672957
>Shadowrun is anime

>>50679136
For my skaven

https://youtu.be/i9OtN8NdatQ

I am currently writing a campaign for Age of Sigmar. What do you guys think of my introduction to my players?

Welcome generals, to the land of Cikovar. Many eons ago this kingdom was a shining beacon of hope for mortals, but now it lies in ruins. Defeated by the only foe it could not repel, time. Not much is left of it now in the Age of Sigmar, only the ruins of its fortress Mistmoore remains somewhat standing, along with a few other locations around the realm.
But history and archeology isn’t what you are here for...no you are here because of the legend of the Avéndrake potion. The potion that is said to make peasants into kings and warriors into mighty warlords of great power. Unfortunately for you generals the potion is locked away inside the keep, frozen in time behind magical wards that can only be opened by magical keys that are scattered throughout the ruins of Cikovar.

The campaign is about the generals and their forces searching for keys to unlock the seals and aquire the Avéndrake potion.

Tell me what you guys think

>>50680177
in which of the mortal realms does cykavar lie?

>>50680177
You don't seem like a native English speaker (if you, my apologies, no intent to offend) so I don't know if this will help, but I cleaned it up for you.

"Welcome Warriors and Generals all to the land of Cikovar. Many aeons ago this kingdom was a shining beacon of hope for all mortals, but now it lies in ruins, defeated by the only foe it could not repel - time. Not much of this once great kingdom is left now in the Age of Sigmar, only the ruins of its greatest fortress Mistmoore remain standing, along with a few other locations around the realm in similar states of disrepair.


But history and archaeology isn’t what you are here for. No, you are here because of the legend of the Avéndrake potion. The potion that is said to make peasants into kings and warriors into mighty warlords of great power.


Unfortunately for you, the potion is locked away inside the keep, frozen in time behind magical wards that can only be opened by magical keys that are scattered throughout the ruins of Cikovar. Good Hunting."

Seems quite good, decent hook and a setting than can be expanded on as the campaign progresses.

>>50680280
It's in the realm of Beasts since that's where we have agreed on it taking place

>>50680287
Thanks Anon! You are right, English is not my first langauge, so thanks for cleaning up my mess.

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>>50677279
>MTO is going to be recent things only

you little shit, there's a 20 year old assassin model amongst the Imperial Agents MTO release!

>>50673718
Age of slam!!

>>50679326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZy6XilXDZQ

>>50668774
>Age of Sigmar limited Stuff
>takes ages to sell out
>Fantasy Starter set that can be used for Fantasy
>just a few minutes before sold out
Whew lads

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>>50681226

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>>50680177
>>50680287
Interesting. So it's a city based campaign? Also be sure to mix it up a little. Do a few campaing rounds using Regiments of Renown as a basis, intermixed with all the varying point size regular games.

Good luck!

>>50681226
Battleforces also sold out before they were released.

(You)

>>50681226
Yes, because every high elf army used sea guard, griffins, and sword master units! Who wouldn't want this set!
Oh wait

>>50682238
>Battleforces also sold out before they were released.
what?
i can still fucking order them

>>50678330
>>50679207
>>50679226
>>50679397
You guys do realize that this miniature is quite old now?
These days you can get more detail out of a miniature thanks to different casting techniques.

>>50679284
Be'lakor has his own band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOiQOOrj-fY

>>50671104

Considering that's the Literally America subfaction of the underdog faction whose entire gimmick is being a modern military, theyre the exception

>>50682290
Depends on where you live.
They've sold out quickly in the UK, except the Khorne one, that's still up.

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>>50676880

BBBBBRREEEETTTTTTOOOOONNNNNNIIIIIAAAAAAA

So, I'm going for metallic blue Stormcast, but what colour should their trim be, gold or silver?
Gold pops more, but silver looks classy.

have 16 dryads but want to build a unit of 20. why are GW boxes so retarded??


REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>50683314
Dryads were originally released when the rules for fantasy had minimum rank being size four.
Thus many minatures were released in sixteens, so that the unit would form a square of 4 by 4.

>>50683314
Get onto bitz sellers or ebay desu. Gw redid a lot of their boxes when they rereleased them to fit more with the multiples of warscrolls design, so everythings in multiples of 5 or 10.

>>50683314
It's an old kit from a time when you didnt buy units in 5's and 10's. They aren't going to change the kit to only include 10 models, so they just went ahead and did all 16. Because if they were to go in an clip out the other 6, it would be counter cost effective.

So buy another dryads kit, and use the 2 spares for terrain or something.

>>50683387
>need to buy another 16 dryads to use 4 of them.

yeah its not like GW is an expensive company anyway.

>>50683453
Why does it need to be 20?

That's just arbitrary, senpai.

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>>50683265

>>50683514
you pay the full price of 20 when you field 16 of them so you are at a disadvantage dude

>>50673582
>just move forward and smash whatever is in the way

How is that not all AoS armies?

>>50683588
Why not just use 15?

>>50682250
People bought it for the skaven, thinking they could sell the high elf part

>>50683622
dryad units are paid by the 10s not 5s.

>>50683622
this desu

>>50683732
see>>50683723

>>50683732
using 15 instead of 16 just means you drop one of your models for no reason when you already paid the price of 20.

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why does bonesplitter looks so cool ? Sad they dont have a start collecting! with 20 orruks 10 hoardboyz and a chief

>>50683875
i think you mean boarboyz ?

And yes its sad. I would buy a a fucking battleforce of them if it was available.

>>50683875
Their only plastic hero comes with a square base on the sprue, dumb reason but still.

>>50683875
>>50684040
yeah the toes of the model are molded onto the base.
It' not hard to trim the edges of the base and put the model on a round base.

Would be weird if GW sold it like that though.

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>>50679136
>>50679284
There are like a million power metal songs for Stormcasts but here's one for our boys in the Free Peoples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EBB26EXopg

>>50682250
Just me, then?

>>50672459
so how does the bases work on this since those need slits

>>50684649
comes with round bases with slits that have been a GW thing since the 80's and was the standard for LOTR

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>>50684649
Behold!

>>50684649
Brace yourself, because this might blow your mind, but, get this, there are round bases with, incredibly enough, slits in them.
Yeah. I know, right? It sounds outrageous, but I swear I'm not making this up.

>>50684756
Bullshit.

>>50684734
>>50684754
>>50684756
or trim off the slit.
Sometimes this fuckes up the balance, but usually not.

>>50670630
Problem isn't your army anon. You need to find better people to game with. Unless you want to play "competitive" in which case you should probably prepare your anoose.

>>50684040
GW redid the Necromancer sprue, they'll redo this as well.

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>>50684754

>>50685552
Really?

>>50685592
No more square base in the sprue.

>>50683347
The fantasy box actually only had 12 of them. They upped it to 16 for AoS.

But otherwise, you are right about it being on 4 per sprue. It would be nice if they could add 4 more, since that benefits everyone who wants Dryads.

>>50685774
Box sizes were determined before they added the GHB, unfortunately

The Saurus in the start collecting box come in weird sizes, too

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>>50671841
Yeah, well. You'ze a git,
Gitmob is bestest. Zog off,
You mushroom-sniffer.

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>>50677279
>>50676967
>>50677055
Kislev, obviously.

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>>50686789
>taking this long to respond
Worst grots by far

Anyone know what the Spireguard stats are from the new spire of dawn box?

>>50687397
They are on the AoS app.

I bought myself the AoS starter kit as a xmas gift, is it playable now? i only plan on painting the minis and have fun with modeling.
Are armies balanced now?

>>50688052
Surprisingly yes the game is playable and fairly well balanced

>>50688092
this

the balance isn't perfect though. There are a few very OP combos, as well as other things that are hard to counter.

Make sure you follow the battleplans (aka missions) as playing without objectives leads to a boring game.

>>50688189
I'm mostly planning on leaving the Sigmarines as that and adding a Juggerlord to the Khorne side, are they kinda balanced or it's like DV when Marine side was overpowered compared to CSM side?

>>50688222
>are they balanced
yes and no

the khorne side is ultra agressive and packs a lot of killing power, while the Stormcast side is more defensive.

If the stormcast player doesn't address the right things in the khorne army, they will lose a lot. Similarly, if the khorne player throws their units at the wrong things, they will lose a lot.

The Mighty Lord of Khorne has a chance for instant death when he attacks, but it isn't reliable. Still, if it happens on multiwound models on the Stormcast side, it really sucks for them.

Stormcast are a lot less like space marines than they visually appear. They only have a 4+ save, and each Stormcast retains their personality (mostly) from before the Reforging. They have faces and bodies under their armor, but they hate taking their helmets off.

Chaos in general is all about buffs and synergies. The Bloodsecrator in the starter box (which incidentally, is the only source of Bloodsecrator models at the moment) is an amazing unit. When he plants his banner, all khorne mortals nearby get an extra attack and ignore battleshock. He also has the "Chaos" and "Totem" keywords. Bloodreavers get an extra attack when they are near a unit with the Chaos and Totem words. If Bloodreavers are near him when he plants his banner, they get 2 extra attacks and ignore battleshock. That scary guy with the whips? he can buff too units too, making them run fast. Together, chaos kicks ass.

But if you can remove the pieces before chaos gets rolling, you remember that Bloodreavers have NO save at all and are only bravery 5.

>>50686935
>>50686789
Ooooo shits going down!

>>50686677
8 knights, 12 warriors.
Both come in sprews of 4.

Which is why if you just buy warriors they are a box of 20, and iirc knights are 16.

Not sure why Skinks have 22. 11 seems like a weird prime to be in that sprew set

>>50683684
I use ebay a lot for warhammer shit.
And the market is NOT flooded with Joe Fuckoff, with no transactions to his name (or less than 100), trying to sell his extra warhams sprues. It's 90 percent ebay bit resellers.

>>50683609
Because of terrain, objectives, no-go zones, etc.
You do play with battleplans, right?

>>50686789
>It's in haiku
Wot

So I was re-reading Book of Grudges from WFRP and came across this bit about engineers:

"Recent innovations include the war zeppelin and mechanical battle engines fashioned in the likeness of the Ancestor Gods."

Time for zeppelins and steam golems?

>>50683291
Maybe Bronze or Copper? It's even warmer than Gold and is a very nice complementary colour for Blue. What colour are you gonna do the tabards/cloth in?

Am I retarded or does the OP links not contain the grand alliance: order pdf?

If not where can I find it?
(I'm assuming the dark elf rules in there are the most up to date we have, moreso than the legacy warscrolls right?)

>>50691069
Grand alliance books are not scanned. They never will be scanned. The warscrolls you need are free in the app or the gw store

>>50691069
There are no PDFs for the Grand Alliance books, since there wasn't a digital version in the first place. All the other books are just ripped ebooks.

You can find all the 'updated' warscrolls on the website under their respective units. Or alternatively in the Age of Sigmar app.

The only exclusive thing in the Grand Alliance books are the Battallions. If you really need one, I can screepcap it for you.

>>50691136
That would explain why the generals handbook had 'drakespawn' instead of 'cold ones'. Doesn't really explain why I couldn't see malekith..
Well anyway thanks.

Next question, are executioners/blackguard/cold one knights hard hitting units and how practical is it to get a DE list of elite infantry/some cav to come in at less than 50 models in an average sized game?

>>50691336
Malekith is in the Compendium section right at the back anon, under Dark Elves.

>>50691336
Malekith is a discontinued model so he is included in the legacy section of the GBH and under Dark Elves in the AoS app.

You could in theory make an army of just Cold One Knights and a dreadlord on dragon.

Or run a Darkling Covens army with Spearelves as core and Executioners/Black Guard as elites.

Or a combination of the two, do mind that Cold One Knights are only core in a 'Order Serpentis' army.

>>50691388
I have no idea about the relevance of 'core' yet. I was considering 20 spearmen, 10 black guard, 10 executioners, 5 cold ones, a sorceress, a dreadlord on dragon (Malekith?), and maybe a dreadlord on cold one or something. However I think I'm barely hitting 1250 there, and I think the more up to date profiles that have everything broken into it's sub factions leaves that a broken and disassociated army instead of a combined force that compliments itself.

>>50691425

Well it's not that disjointed desu. That setup is a mix of Darkling Covens and Order Serpentis.

The new factions are mostly relevant for the keywords but it's fully legal to use the older warscrolls in matched play. Getting a dreadlord on cold one might prove difficult though, they discontinued the miniature.

You can use scrollbuilder.com to build your list, but do note that it list Battleline/Core incorrectly since some unites are only Battleline/Core when your army has a certain 'Allegiance' (which means it needs to be made up from units exclusively in that sub-faction)

>>50691457
Cool, thanks.

Another random question but how legal is it to mix Chaos or Death units into an Order army, and if it's possible are there any repercussions for not making an army wholly of the one grand alliance?

>>50691336
Executioners are really good. They have an utterly brutal special rule that will melt anything they fight in a hurry.
Black Guard are sorta underwhelming. They are still elite infantry, but they are very middle-of-the-road overall.
Cold Ones are very average, straddling the line between medium to heavy cavalry.

>>50691470
It's not legal in Pitched Battles. Outside of that it's up to your group and imo you need a good (story) reason for it.

Personally I'd allow for demon and undead summoning in an Open/Narrative enviroment but someone would have to give a very good reason for running some Varanguard in an Order army.

>>50691425
He means Battleline, anon. In Pitched Battles (basically a bit like a CAD from 40k), you have different unit roles:

BATTLELINE - these are your tax. You need a minimum amount of them depending on the amount of points you're playing. Depending on your allegiance, you can unlock units as BATTLELINE that normally can't be. As an example - running an army that only has units with the ORDER SERPENTIS keyword lets you make Cold Ones core, meaning you can spam them as your basic troops without having to take any chaff. I run Gitmob Grots, so because I have all of my units with the GITMOB keyword, I can have wolf riders as BATTLELINE. Read their profiles in the General's Handbook (where it says BATTLELINE if:) and you'll understand.

GENERAL - your army leader.

BEHEMOTH - your big guys. Can cross over with General if he's riding a dragon or whatever (in which case he's both BEHEMOTH and GENERAL).

ARTILLERY - duh.

OTHER - Anything not in these categories, you can take as many as you want.

>>50691499
Dammit. Now that there's a points system and GW seem to be less shit (dare I even say good) as a company I want to get into AoS but I still feel like I'm hitting the same brick walls as when it was released because they just haven't gotten around to really updating my army yet.

All I wanna do it play my ambitious dark elf lord who's gathered his knights and most loyal bannermen to him then married a vampiress (or slaaneshi worshiper), stepping outside the unwritten rules of dark elf society to make his all or nothing play for power.

>>50691558
So what's stopping you? Just model your Sorceress as a vampire or slaanesh follower.

>>50691569
>>50691558

Maybe use a Mist Saih as a basis. With a headswap she can look proper sinister.

Or get the Death hag from the Cauldron of Blood, she already has a chalice of blood so some swaps and she looks like an Elven Vampire Lady Sorceress.

I'm just saying, if you want to get creative with your list, be actually creative with your miniatures.

>>50691558
Kitbash a banshee and sorc and have him run off with one of nagash's ghost bride slaves?

So I am starting up a fyreslayers army. Are there any allies in order that can support them or do I go full fyreslayers only

>>50692206
Take a look at Ironweld arsenal

>>50692217
Anything else other than big guns? Can wizards buff Fyreslayers?

>>50692255
Sure having wizards are never wrong

>>50692263
What wizards would work best? Wilds and life? Also what about some alt cavalry

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>>50684754
>Behold!

>>50692285
Healing is never wrong. Personally I like the look of Light of Battle if you run with low bravery, or if you're feeling like gambling, Final Transmutation to help hero sniping.

>>50692414
What lore heals. Is it light or life?

>>50692426
life
light is anti deamon and FAST

Also fyreslayers guy here. Anyone know some good bear models I want some counts as drake the riders

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>>50692602
well you have some options.
mantic has one but it's a bit to shit
i thing scribd has some options (4), it;s expensive but generally it's solid, pic related

>>50668774
Anyone know if there's how to paint dryads guide up in the painting resources? I've tried to find good guide on how to do winter themed Sylvaneth but haven't found any yet. 3£ isn't too much on gw site, but I don't own any apple products so can't buy it from there

>>50692865
>Anyone know if there's how to paint dryads guide up in the painting resources?
There is. It's in the older Mega.

>>50692285
Celestial Hurricanum is the premier order wizard choice

>>50676386
>And don't forget to abuse the standard bearer, quite hilarious.

How do you do that? I don't know if I'm just being a retard but I've read and re-read the rules a few times and I can't see any kind of charge bonus at all, so how do you exploit being able to retreat and charge in the same turn? The only thing that springs to mind is cycle charging, but without charge bonuses that seems kind of pointless.

>>50692955
Found it, thanks!

>>50693518
You can retreat away from the unit you are currently fighting, get behind them, and charge something else.

Your opponent thinks his important Wizard is safe behind a screen of dudes? Wrong!

>>50693533
Oh, I see. That makes sense.

Anyone watching the stream?

>>50693847
Stream? What stream?

>>50693847
I am, the flame sorc is cool as fuck

>>50693847
Link plox

>>50693867
>>50693906

twitch dot tv slash warhammer

Order vs Death right now

Streams pretty enjoyable and they're getting decent viewers.

>>50693981
Yeah the vibe is pretty enjoyable and I like the armies.

>>50693952
I hope they rebroadcast the stream at a time that isn't 8 am

>>50694050
The stream will probably saved. Also please note that the it's between 5 and 6 pm in the civilised world.

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Rumor engine, folks.

>>50694266
Dark elves, slaaneshi, or undead

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>>50694266
it better be some sexy Slaanesh fucker

>>50676630
i would really try to have more rats.
I dont know how common are destruction armies but while your lost will do nicely vs Stormcast, a unit of 40 arroboyz can on average, completely remove your Stormvermin unit in the hero phase and another unit in the shooting phase, and it still hasnt done anything with the other 600 points of his army.
you have to try adapt your army to whatever is common at that point level. o would try to drop something (probably the special weapons) and add bodies.

>>50693847
I am.
My subscription to Amazon Prime was reveal to be more useful than I though.

>>50694266
>>50694278
>>50694332
That motif on the left does not fit the current Slaaneshi aesthetic.
I doubt it's Slaaneshi.

when will these fuckers restock the battleforces?

>>50695220
Maybe never. They were a seasonal item

>>50694357
>120 shots per turn with fucking bows

Literally who thought those things were a good idea?

Skaven in the stream look unpainted to me. I doubt that's the case since it's an official stream but anyway the painter fucked up. Never ever paint your models grey...

>>50694266
ARCAANITES

>>50696655
look really good up close.
Ash and dust look.
It's an artifact of the fact we're looking at it from a distant and not very good camera, probably looks decent at the distance actual players see it.

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