Age of Sigmar General

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>>50636774
>Mfw highly considering a Chaos Dwarf army after reading up on their lore and seeing that they have AoS rules

But it's resin...but they look so gooood.

I'll be picking up the Spire of Dawn box as it comes out to get a decent start with Skaven, but don't know much of their lore.

which of the clans are the most used? Is playing skryre fun?

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Moonclan Grots is best grots

So on the black library advent calendar (yawn), there's supposed to be something AoS related coming tomorrow, or about 2am for me tonight.

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So, does anyone have any instructions on how to put the 40k Tzangors together with the double handed weapons that come with the kit and/or the instrument and/or other options? I want to put them together using the double handed weapons because they look awesome and maybe some of the other options.

>>50636962
Skaven lore is easy to read, and amazing! Try looking them up on google or buying a few old codex's on ebay! Skaven in AOS are one of the funnest armies.

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>>50636774
any rumors about new elves lately? I saw the rebox of the old starter game with the high elves and am not feeling compelled.

>>50638130
the shoulders and arms are separate parts. When the instruction says to put on the hand weapons, autopistol, or chainsword sneak the two handed sword, command items, or shields on there instead

I wish chaos mortals had more ranged options

>>50639364
>any rumors about new elves lately?
All current model-line will be discontinued and replaced by btotally new armies fireslayers-size according to Atia.

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Let's get some paint all up in this bitch!

After finishing painting all the rest of my duardin, I felt my quality slipping there near the end as I felt myself rushing through steps. So I decided to take a few weeks break from painting so I can start fresh on my centerpiece model. Now I got back into it, and have a few base colors laid down. Excited about getting this guy done and seeing him completely painted.

Revised 1500 point list

desu I feel crazy for even considering a list like this. WAAAY too many models

>Wulfrik the Wanderer <General>
>Bloodsecrator
>Chaos Sorcerer Lord <Artifact - Crown of Conquest>
>Chaos Marauders x40, shields
>Chaos Marauders x40, shields
>Bloodreavers x40, reaver blades
>Warshrine x1
>Chaos Marauder Horsemen x5, javelins
>Chaos Marauder Horsemen x5, javelins

1460/1500 points

167 wounds, 134 models.

Or would having 2x40 bloodreavers and 1x40 marauders do better? that would give a scary amount of killing power and some redundancy, but bloodreavers are really squishy.

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>>50639596
>You will never have a unit of Slaaneshi arabian skirmisher on foot with javelins and short bows

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Finally I have some substantial spare time after a shit-awful couple of months, so I decided to finally finish and paint the model that has been sitting atop my desk for all that time.
Still very early in the process, obviously.

>>50639761
Awesome, it's good to see this being worked on some more.
Do you have your own warscroll or do you plan on using it count-as?

>>50640806
I'd consider throwing the bloodreavers in two distinct units, 40 of those guys are unwieldy as fuck and will spend most of the time idle due to their lack of reach. It's not like you are lacking in buffs to make the most of them.
Also, give the sorcerer a familiar with the spare points.
The rest is pretty good.

>>50640860
>Stormcast Chariot
Nice!

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Also trying to figure out a new scheme for the scaly hide of the dracoths, since I've grwon to dislike the purple I've used so far.
I kinda like this one, but blending the colors is a fuckton of work for a crappy painter like me, especially around the belly where it's basically never seen in the first place...

>>50640932
Is that Voltron colour scheme?

>>50640806
- You have a Chaos Sorcerer.
- You don't have any Chaos Familiars.
- You have 40 points left over.
- A pair of Chaos Familiars cost 40 points.

>>50636795
They're super pricey anon

>>50640932
Can you give us a sample of the old scheme with the purple?

Spire of dawn will probably come out to $50-60 on ebay

So all of that skaven shit for $30 or so

Are skaven the cheapest army now?

>>50640890
yeah that is all pretty reasonable sounding

I don't treasure the idea of building and painting another 60+ models over my 1000 point list though

>>50640964
Never seen Voltron (it didn't air over here in the 80s and I didn't give enough of a shit to watch it nowadays) , so at least it's not intentionally.

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>>50640973
Sure.

>>50640992
Skaven and Highborne, yeah.

Anyone bought the 5 man Plague Censer Bearer repack from GW? Are the models still metal? I assume not since they come with 32mm bases and there is no slotta variant of those as far as I know.

>>50640992
Rebased ogors from E-bay still cheaper.

>>50641034
I like it!
It's not obvious like the blue/red combo but I have 4 armies in 3 games, and they are all purple, so there is some bias

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/bear-eater-ebook.html

Isn't this the guy fro the Hunt for Mannfred audio book?

>>50641175
>Isn't this the guy fro the Hunt for Mannfred audio book?

Yep, same guy. This story acts as a prelude, methinks.

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got these bad boys today

>>50636774
why did malerion and tyrion lamented the absence of elves if there supposedly were elves all over the realms before fleeing to azyr during the age of chaos?

>>50641323
I have no idea if this is true, but there is this theory that there were no elves but plenty of aelves, who are two distinct races.

>>50641318
>Those sexy sexy treemen

>>50641359
that makes no sense
especially considering "elves" are never mentioned, malerion and tyrion too were looking for "aelves".

>>50641323
I'm not a lore guy but i'm interested.

>if there supposedly were elves all over the realms
Weren't almost all aelves consumed by Slaanesh?

>>50641406
>Weren't almost all aelves consumed by Slaanesh?
I seem to recall that happened during the death of the old world, the age of sigmar has these subfactions of aelves that were presented during the age of myth and survived the age of chaos fleeing to azyr, wanderers, phoenix temples ones and the white lions above the others as I remember their fluff more.

>>50636795
use other minis like mantic chaos dwarfs- yes they are not that good looking but for me they are like old warhammer fb minis silly and fun, but quality is much worse then gw

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You guys think i can use this as steamtank in dwarf army iam also using dreadball dwarf as berserkers/Slayers

Spire of Dawn already sold out in the uk.
That means another of their christmas deals totally sold out before its even released.

Is that guy who thinks AoS doesnt sell still here?

>>50642052
he would probably say they bought it for WHFB or some retarded shit

>>50639640
I really can't see that happening. They would have just cut them with everything else last year.

>>50642052
>>50642063
I would have bought it (2 of them, actually) just for WHFB, but arrived too late. Why would it be retarded to buy it for WHFB? It's amazing value.

/tg/, what are the bases/size shown in this https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-grot-wolf-riders-en.pdf

I need to get some.

>>50642103
he would say that no one bought it to play AoS, is what I was trying to explain

>>50640860
Moldlines on the wheels, anon

>>50642103
Hes talking about the standard "aos doesnt sell they bought it for whfb/40k" excuse meme

>>50642131
It's the new oval for bikes/cavalry, the Oval 60mm x 35mm

>>50642319
Thanks, and is https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-grot-wolf-chariots-en.pdf the oval 170x105mm?

>>50638130
I bought a box, its pretty easy to work out with torso goes with which arm. You get two 2 handed weapons on each sprue, a big sword and a big axe.

>>50640860
It's a counts as dwarf lord on shieldbearers. It's a little big, but I can't think of anything better for it to represent, and I made it for the LVO

>>50641768
Too small. Doesn't fit the same basic size for a good representation.

>>50641073
Censers are now resin

But censers are also fucking dogshit, man, worst Skaven unit by far and since i assume you're Pestilens, Plague monks all the way

>>50643423
>king on shieldbearers
That's pretty much what I expected. Which loadout does he represent? I mean, at first I'd think Great Rune Weapon, but the suit also looks heavily armored, so the 3+ from the Ancestral Shield would also work.
Also, relics and command traits? At a guess, I would suspect Relic Weapon and Tenacious.

>>50643548
Great rune weapon because look at the size of that hammer. And he has the relic blade so it becomes damage 4, because look at the size of that hammer.

And he won't be my warlord because my lord-celestant on dire bear is a little tougher to take down.

But all is not lost. I'm taking a unit of longbeards so he can still use his command ability when I need it.

>>50641034
I hate the new models they look like transformers.

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>>50642154
Yeah, saw those as soon as I took the pictures. Already removed them, alongside some lines along the lion's ears and the support structure of the chariot.
Also, I am considering magnetizing the feet of the two guys so I can switch them out for a single hero every now and then.

>>50643458
in aos bases matter less i think so even beyond that i can stick him on steamtank base

>>50643637
I didn't mention bases. That would be a small awkwardly shaped steam tank. To me a good counts-as is when it's a believable representation. I've seen a conversion of a space Marine rhino dwarfified that is more believable as a steam tank. Also i don't think you realize how small that model is. It fits comfortably on a 50mm base. I know because I own one

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Is Gorechosen actually funny/worth? My 4 friends and I are tempted by it, but at the same time we fear it's too simple

>>50642362
No the 170x105 is massive

That's probably 105x70

>>50643690
I got one too, iam thinking about convertion him cuz yes he is smaller then dred and rhino is too big . i want walker as a steamtank so maybee i will use dred

>>50643810
I don't even see the dreadnought as a suitable counts-as steamtank. You are missing the point. It's not a good representation.

But got ahead and do it, and every opponent you will talk to will say they are cool with it, because they are being polite. But know it's really not.

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Hey guys, r8 my Chaos familiar

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guys i am back after 10 years, wtf is Age of Sigmar. what is happening.
Someone pls explain to me

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>>50644041
they sqashed Fbt and make it in to skimish game with less entry cost game and less rules . its not bad - its easy you can still play with all minis and only shame that they are not using old world but you can still pretend that AOS is in old world. as a Fluff goes its big sand box so take friends and make your own fluff- If u wanna play with points and stuff look for general handbook

>>50644138
so to make it tl;dr, it's cheaper and less convoluted?

Anyone got an idea on how to get a model for settra that doesn't require dropping 300 bucks on ebay?

>>50644163
Yes Start collecting boxex for aos are good boxes and rules are easy. i love old FB and mane mane rules but after some time i want some easy quick games . there is a layer of strategy in aos no that super deep but there it is . People are mosty mad abour killing old warh with is very sad but some times changes are needed. I am playing both its fun in both games

>>50644041
WHFB was not selling. Its popularity was reaching all-time lows. It needed a revamping to draw in new blood, because old blood was slowly bleeding away.

So they progressed the story, called the End Times, which resulted in the worlds destruction. Chaos wins.

Then GW released this new game, Warhammer: Age of Sigmar, which is the continuation of the game's story. It's a big tonal shift, but more or less warhammer.

The new game is really simplified, the rules are free, and all the old minis you had are still playable. It's cheaper to get into because they are offering deals on products now, and you can still have the big battles you are used to, but they don't need to be that big.

The core rules of the game are only 4 pages, but don't let that fool you into thinking there's no tactics and strategy to this game, when there's actually a lot beneath the surface, and the longer people play it, the more they discover about it.

Take you collection and give the game a shot, you might like it. If not, then there's 9th age or kings of war to consider.

>>50644198
Wait for Made to Order?

>>50644244
Doubt it considering tomb kings were removed because they 'didn't fit the fluff of aos'

>>50644296
yeah thats not why they were removed

>>50644315
Oh, really? Guess I heard from the wrong sources.
Why were they removed? They weren't selling or something?

>>50644315
This. They could have easily fit the fluff, but they were removed to trim the fat of the fantasy model range. So GW got rid of the least selling ranges, like brets and TK.

Really the crying from losing TK and brets comes a little part from the few people who actually played them, and a huge part from everyone else mentioning them as the reason "why aos sucks"

>>50644138
>>50644198
>>50644217
>>50644226
well it certainly looks cheaper, maybe i should jump to it from 40k

>>50644345
they never gave an official reason but people have their theories like

>not selling well enough
>hard to copyright mummies and egyptian themes

they cut some of the high elf stuff (spearmen, prince on griffon) but its coming back in Island of Blood so it's possible TK were cut for a re-release some time in the future

>>50644394
>they never gave an official reason but people have their theories like
We also have rumors and things from people who claim to be on the inside. Those ran pretty rampant near the beginning of the game. But really nothing concrete.

>>50644377
If anything give it a shot. Read the General's Handbook linked in the OP and go to the matched play section. None of the unit entries have points on them, that's all held in the general's handbook. Build forces from that and use the matched play battleplans.

>>50640972
>>50641739
But the FW models look so damn good though. And I adore their lore, the seem like Chaos only far more evil, I can't put my finger on it, but they come across as far more threatening.

>>50644163
Cheaper in that the models cost the same but there are better deals and a lower cost of entry, ie. To start a new army you dont need big blocks of troops.

>>50644163
>>50644377
If you find they went too far with the simplification, I'd recommend the General's Handbook. Adds rules for Points, character building, narrative campaigns and a bunch more.

>>50644296
>>50644315
>>50644373
There are actually large desert areas with pyramids in some of the maps, and necrosphynx actually show up in the books.

They were dropped because they never sold. Same with brettonia, they were barely stocking either of them in my local gw.

>>50643708
I really fun with 4 people.
It's easy to learn but I wouldn't call it simple. It's a real beer&pretzels game and is good for lots of laughs and schadenfreude.

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>>50644953
>If you find they went too far with the simplification
actually i don't mind it, i'm a fucking tabletop normie and always hated remembering billion rules.
>>50644472
>None of the unit entries have points on them
ye i read it already, anyone can basically put out any amount of stuff. You just have to agree on that.
>>50644924
ye i get it

thanks for info bros, like i said it has been over 10 years, i think my few vampire counts just fell apart anyway so i would have to start gathering something else

>>50644475
I feel you. I love the FW Chaos Dwarfs as well.
Industrial Slavers in league with the forges of hell and a big fetish for guns and artillery.

What's not to love?

>>50645278
It just feels like they are an actual overarching doom, and I think another cool factor is that the world seems to have forgotten about them, that they are an arch evil that creeps slowly but surely.

>>50641323
Aelves only appeared in Azyr, but were absent in the other realms, unlike the other races. The aelf gods team up and capture Slaanesh, who had grown fat due to eating so many elf souls during the end times. After Slaanesh's capture aelves started appearing in the other mortal realms.

>>50645278
Their manlet size

>>50645738
I think it's kind of awesome. It makes em feel more monstrous and shit

>>50644138
>it in to skimish game
Actually most of armies larger than 40k armies.

Guys, was the Spire of Dawn a 1 off box or will they print more? I couldn't order one in time as I was broke and now it's out of stock

>>50645815
I think what he means is they moved away from rank&flank. In old fantasy rules the term 'skirmisher' meant units that didnt move in blocks and only had to keep coherency.

>>50645977
It was not a limited run. They will be making more to fulfill stock. They are just having a hard time keeping up with demand.

>>50646042
Oh man, thank fuck. I was planning to get like 3 and I just felt crushed when I saw the No longer available

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I whipped up some makeshift paint racks for the paint set (the one that includes every paint GW makes) that she won down at the local Games Workshop store.

I am still amazed that my army of aelves has never lost a game in spite of over 15 games played against pretty much every tier one list out there.

>>50646026
>I think what he means is they moved away from rank&flank.
Yes and it's kind of pain in the ass, since unlike 40k game have much more infantry.
>>50646042
>the same post
>again

>>50645278
Are there points out for the forge world stuff or is in the generals handbook?

>>50646089
FW points are not in the GHB, theyre in FW's downloads section

>>50646060
Looks nice but you better pray to jesus there's not an earthquake.
Maybe make some tiny rails

Had my first game today, had fun but I can't believe how retarded skeletons can get. Those things had 4 attacks by the end.

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>>50646060
What if I come to your house and push all those paint cans off?

>>50645356
>Aelves only appeared in Azyr, but were absent in the other realms
Then why do the sylvaneths are angry with the wanderers for leaving ghyran in the age of chaos if they weren't from there to begin with?

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reminder that pic related is an official chaos familiar

>>50646086
Learn to english niggard

So in AoS i can basically make army of anything?
Like Chaos fags with Stormcasts supported by Orks?

>>50646706
You have to stick to the same grand alliance

>>50646706
Yes

However in Matched Play (ie: the competitive format that uses points) you have to use models in the same Grand Alliance (Order, Death, Destruction, Chaos)

>>50646769
Wrong, that is only true in Matched Play

>>50646769
This is why Age of Sigmar sucks, I want my armies to be effective in a single theme, god damn it.

>>50646706
In the default game, yes. But under Pitched Battle rules, which everybody uses, you have to stick to one Grand Alliance.

>>50646828
Unless the person you are facing are ok with you e.g: using a group of zombies in a chaos army, etc. Becuase in the end it's about what is ok between the opponent and you

>>50646812
>This is why Age of Sigmar sucks, I want my armies to be effective in a single theme, god damn it.

You can combine whatever you what into one army so long as you are not playing a matched play game using points.

The method of play that is more "open" and oriented towards scenario play has its own rules in the general's handbook and it does allow you to take whatever you want in one army.

But for matched play games using points there is a rule saying you must stick to one grand alliance, Order, Chaos, death, or destruction.

>>50646797
>>50646828
awesome, seems like FUN
>>50646812
you can stick to the theme can't you?

>>50646812
This doesn't make any sense. To mix grand alliances is to break any possible theme. The themes are within the separate grand alliances. So I don't see how being restricted within a grand alliance makes it impossible to run a theme.

Unless of course you are mistaking grand alliance for faction. You can mix and match as many factions as you want in your army, so long as you meet the simple battleline, behemoth, artillery and leader restrictions, and they are all within the same grand alliance.

I find it much easier to run an effective theme in AoS than I ever did in whfb, desu.

so I am new to the hobby and I am building a sylvaneth army. the models and the book is gorgeous. and afaik the book is the only army book with the most recent rules artefacts and whatnot. I am also intrigued by the beastclaw raiders. I want to collect them.

are the only books of sylvaneth and beastclaw raiders are the most updated army books while the others lack some stuff like artifacts and allegience abilities?

and what was the old name of the beastclaw raiders? ogre kingdoms? are these new models or what?

>>50647612
sylvaneth, beastclaw, and bonesplitterz have new allegiance stuff

beastclaw raiders were part of the ogre kingdoms

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>go to youtube
>type Age of Sigmar
>look for some nice vids about it
>96% of vids are butthurd spergs crying about it not being Fantasy Battle
what a fucking faggots, deal with the change or kill yourself. Christ their butthurt is insane

>>50647612
The sylvaneth and beastclaw raiders books are both the most up to date

The ogre kingdoms faction got split up into the gutbusters (on foot ogres) beastclaw raiders ( any mounted ogre) and 2 minor factions of firebellies and maneatets.

Most of the old factions got similar treatments.

>>50647670
Before aos, the whfb community was a quiet minority

Now they're a very loud minority.

Search age of sigmar battle report instead

>>50647670
You don't even have to look outside of this board to find those mad faggots. Its just tiresome at this point.

what are the best novels of age of sigmar?

40k player here, want to read about AoS rules. Y'alls resource thing doesn't have the equivalent of codices, where do I find these?

>>50647837
Download the Age of Sigmar app or check out the warscrolls and rules on GW's website

>>50647837
Battletomes are what the game calls codeces. But there isn't a battletome for every faction yet. For the factions without one just read up their warscrolls which are free on the gw website and the aos app

I want to build this army for my 1500 point sylvaneth but how should I add it up to 1500?

>bonus question: how to upgrade this to 2000 points for later?

Leaders
Treelord Ancient (300)
- General
Branchwych (100)

Units
Dryads x 20 (240)
Dryads x 10 (120)
Tree-Revenants x 5 (100)
Kurnoth Hunters x 3 (180)
- Greatbows
Sisters of the Thorn x 5 (220)

Battalions
Gnarlroot Wargrove (80)
Household (20)

Total: 1360/2000

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>>50647874
>Download the Age of Sigmar app
>tfw my ancient phone doesn't know what app is
feels like i am still in 2000

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>>50647818
Lord of Undeath, Call of Archaon and Skaven Pestilens, I'd say.

>>50647837
Here are the main rules. General's Handbook, campaign books and battletomes are in the OP. I'm sure you'll find your way from there.

>>50648294
i actually wish 40k rules were this easy, models dealing set amount of damage and not billions of weapons and armors with different combinations and dice rolls requiring 2 sheets of paper to keep track of

>>50648559
Well rumor has it...

>>50648718
keep going...
i have space yiffs codex and not sure if i should continue or wait

>>50648827
8th edition is coming summer 2017
The new edition will be a streamlining of rules, somewhat of a midpoint between what it is now and aos.
Not 4 page simplified, but slimmed down

No word of details

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Let's post our dudes!

Here are my dudes, I hope you like it.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DleJ7guokNXxnsKZX7hu-vjRa0Hw4edANjkYRwm0PDY/edit?usp=sharing

Feel free to tell me what you think, I like it when other people read my stuff since they can ofter notice errors, that I cannot

Also before you judge to hard, english is not my first language

>>50648559
Same, if they substantially slim them down it'll probably get me playing again, as it is 7e is just 3e with 4 editions of stuff strapped to it.

>>50648993
so i got the codex in vain, god damn.
Also 2017 summer is kinda far away...
What the fuck should i do bro

>>50649065
Start AoS?

>>50636962
>>50639199

Also get yourself a copy of the Thanquol and Boneripper trilogy, probably my favorite Warhammer Fantasy series.

>>50649073
i guess...
got any recommendations for races? or rather grand alliances?
Looking for maximum fun but a lot of bonus points for good looking models

>>50649138
What looks the coolest. Start there

>>50649150
This. Each faction has their strengths and weaknesses. There is some faction imbalance, but nowhere near the level of 40k retardation.

And yeah, I love 40k, but I find myself dreading playing it lately

>>50647670
>>go to youtube>type Age of Sigmar>look for some nice vids about it>96% of vids are butthurd spergs crying about it not being Fantasy Battlewhat a fucking faggots, deal with the change or kill yourself. Christ their butthurt is insane

I approve this post

Does everyone reckon the Stormcast Eternals Battleforce box is a good buy? I just bought one from my local GW and I hope it wasn't for waste

>>50649150
i am torn between Order and Chaos
Death is too edgy
and Destruction isn't quite it

>>50649513
general rule is if you enjoy it then it isn't a waste

>>50649513
price wise its a total steal. Game wise.. might wanna grab the celestant on foot as a leader for smaller games. Solid starter though.

>>50649513
Plenty of good stuff in there. I am somewhat questioning the inclusion of the Celestant Prime, but even he is fine overall, just not the commander this force needs.
There are a few pitfalls to look out with the kit:
- Liberators want shields, always. Hammers or swords are up to taste, but there is no point ever taking them with two weapons. Put a grandweapon on the Liberator Prime.
- Knight-Azyros does jack shit for this army (apart from looking lovely), so assemble the kit as a Knight-Venator. The sniper will do well to support the Celestant-Prime.
- Think hard about what you want your paladins doing. Retributors are rightly feared and can fight everything (and are the only paladin type that actually makes use of the starsoul mace), but their reputation means everybody and their mother will be gunning for them. Protectors love to chill with a Liberator shieldwall and lend themselves for a defensive playstyle. Decimators are ...for leaving at home and taking something else instead.
- Dracothian Guard of all flavors are the best superheavy cavalry in the game, so there are no wrong subtypes, but Desolators only become really interesting with 6+ models in a unit, which is overkill against almost everything.
- The Celestant-Prime looks like a run-of-the-mill combat hero, but he actually hates melee. Instead, he has a wonderful gun and makes for a amazing mobile artillery piece.
Finally, get your hands on a actual commander asap. You lack any Command Abilityright now, so a Lord-Celestant on foot wouldn't hurt.

>>50649706
Death is probably less edgy than Chaos (bat Skaven) overall; they are less the Lich and more Skeletor.

>>50649138
Serabro put out a quick list with how the armies play, I took screenshots and I'll post it when i snip them all together.

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>>50649138
>>50650085

Hope this is readable for you.

>>50650053
>>50650085
>>50649205
well in the end it's either Order or Chaos, both have fucking sweet figures. Shit like Alarielle/ Celestant-Prime or the Verminlord Corruptor/Lord of Khorne on Juggernaut

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>>50649513
Looking at the box, I must say that the CP has no business being in that. He's far to specialized for any of that.
In adition to that the assembly of the units on the cover baffles me.
>decimators
>tempestors
>azyros
There is zero rhyme or reason to this. The azyros has no-one to guide. The decimators have no heavy-hitters to follow and clear the chaff off. The liberators have no-one to shield. The tempestors have no other fast elements to support.
Thankfully, all that can be solved by just assembling things differently, but I have to question the logic behind this.

>>50650336
That was so autistic it hurt me.

>>50650233
thanks anon, that's helpful. I am not that much of a competitive player, i prefer good old "THIS LOOKS AWESOME"
Seraphon, Dracothian guards, or motherfucking Carnosau. Demigryph Knights are beautiful too

>>50650013
Luckily I have a Lord-Celestant on foot. Retributors are absolutely amazing and have really worked well for me

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What special rules the battletomes have that would make me buy them over pic related?
Battletome is focused on one race while pic related describes everything in the grand alliance and is somehow a lot cheaper

>>50650432
Yeh Im not either, but those posts should give you an idea of where each faction's strength lies, so you can pick one that fits your idea of fun and you wont suffer for it.

>>50650530
Battletomes have background, narritive missions, illustrations and unique formations.

Grand Alliance books are exclusively collections of warscrolls that are free on the app plus a few unique formations.

>>50650546
i think i will go for Order, and i can mix anything within it into my army so i think i will be okay.
Since the Grand Alliance book describes all factions in the alliance i can pick figures i like most out of some of them

>>50650530
Vastly more lore for the most part, but also batallion rules in all of them and artifactcs, arcane items, unique spell schools and meta-batallions for the newer books (i.e. Sylvaneth, Bonesplitters and Beastclaw Raiders so far).

>>50650640
>>50650579
so in the end battletomes end up more useful?
I will go Seraphon then i think, dinos are the best

>>50650686
Sometimes more useful. The older battletomes are less useful than the later ones, and even if you don't have the battletome you can still use the generic alliance traits and artifacts in the general's handbook.

If you are mixing factions, you won't have the faction specific allegiance anyway so the battletomes offer little benefit.

>>50650686
I never bought either, I use the app and printed out the formation I use.

Spent the money on the Generals Handbook, which is a must-buy for any gamer.

>>50643620
Mold lines aside (I always seem to miss one, fuck Damn those things) that's a cool looking conversion. I am assuming the dragon horsey things will be pulling it? Can't wait to see it finished.

>>50644394
I get the strong since this is just a stock clearing move by them... not going to say it's not a nice deal, but something tells me that when aelfs arrive in force, the old shit will look WAY out of place.
At least the rats are safe

Apperantly Spire of Dawn is not out of stock.

>Went up a week early on pre-order
>Scrambled to take it down and fucked up the system.
>Will be produced for at least 90 days, haven't heard word that its a permanent addition or not yet.

-Text from local Manager.

>>50646812
Oh yes, whfb was well know for mix matching armies from across army books!
Oh wait.

>>50647670
I just wish the AoS battle reports weren't most so shit.
I am really hopeful for Tabletop Tactics starting it... their gaming attitude is iffy, but at least they shoot the shit LIKE ADULTS, unlike Mormon Wargaming's no swear hand hold bullshit. Also Josh seems to have taken that game over, and no offense to him, but he sucks at War games with ridiculous spamming and net lists.

>>50648176
Add another unit of dreads or tree reverants.

>>50650530
there is no reason to buy the grand alliance books, they are just a collection of warscrolls

>>50650686
seraphon battletome has some cool battalions but isnt worth buying. only get it if you are a collector

>>50647670
What are some GOOD youtube channels for age of sigmar?

I like miniwargaming but I dont know of any others

>>50651602
To be honest, there are no other good ones right now. The others are slide shows with a voice over, or shot with shit Mikes in a FLGS where you can barely hear.
More professional guys are getting into it now that the GH is out

>>50651591
>only get it if you are a collector
i like having physical things so yea i will get it. Thanks for info though anon, appreciated
>>50651602
honestly i don't know bro

>>50646412
Because the Age of Chaos happened after the aelf gods left Sigmar's alliance to beat up Slaanesh.

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lol

>>50651705
Merry Sigmas

>>50651778
Merry sigmas, anon.

What have you asked Sigmar Claus to bring you?

>>50645265
Source on that? Looks fukkin brutal

>>50650579
The Grand Alliance books also have the Alliance Allegiance abilities, and the General charts for them.

>>50651198
I'm sure I remember MiniWargaming doing a couple of games of it, and the fucking retards in the comments section disliked and threw so much salty shit that they decided not to and did "Old World Battles" instead... which are consistently liked by a tiny minority. Sounds about right.

Does the steam tank commander get to run both his repeater handgun AND the long rifle or is it choose 1? I am pretty sure the scroll implies both but I am confused why you would opt to leave one off.

>>50652171
The Warscrolls just give you the option for modelling I guess, anon. Why would you choose for your Grot Wolf Riders not to have shields, etc?

>>50651906
No they dont, that's in the Generals Handbook

>>50651799
So Sigmar Claus and Krumpus?

>>50651799
nothing, i am too poor

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>>50652390
>Krumpus

>>50651819
animu is Space Runaway Ideon

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>>50651954
fucking spergs ruin everything yet again.
>M-MUH OLD WORLD LORE
>MUH WARHAMMUR
they should kill themselves along with fantasy battle

>>50652517
Sigmar claus comes and gives gifts to all the good boys and girls, but if you're a chaos worshipper, Megaboss Krumpus comes and caves yer face in
I just need to think of a good name for the maw krusha

>>50652538
They already killed fantasy battle
If you ever want to make one of these fucks go maximum salt, and I don't know why you would, unless you want to open a salt company to compete with Donald Trump's, remind them it's their fault their game is dead

>>50649027
is writing short stories about your dudes too autistic?

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>>50653236
>is writing short stories about your dudes too autistic?
The better question is why would you care?
just as long as it isn't cringe you should be fine

hey anons
my friend was thinking about starting a chaos undivided army what would you folks suggest

>>50653716
Do you mean Slaves to Darkness undivided? or mixed daemons undivided? The two will end up very different.

Slaves to Darkness have a lot of strong defensive units, but for offense in general you will feel pressured to dip into Bloodbound or Daemons. Slaves to Darkness have very few options for shooting, if that's something you care about, but they have some really sweet cavalry, and chaos warriors have saves against mortal wounds.

Slaves to Darkness choose their marks of chaos during deployment rather than during list building. This might be interesting, but you'd have to build your list carefully to be able to take advantage of this.

I don't really know much about mixed Daemons.

Chaos mortals are all about their buffs and synergies. They have many heroes that offer sweet buffs, and warshrines can offer a variety of buffs depending on their mark (with a 5th buff if the warshrine is not given a mark).

>>50653838
Yeah chaos mortals.
that sounds about right.
I'll hand this off to him thanks for the help anon.

>>50653236
Not at all. It's the spirit of the game. Forging the narrative

>>50653881
If anything, that's a good thing about AoS. Since there are no concrete locations, now you are alot more free to create a special snowflake faction of your army rather than have to choose established ones.

>>50651954
MWG has done a fucking ton of AoS.
War of the Realms. Best AoS batreps out there for now... just look past how bad Josh is.

WHERE MY MOONGITS AT
Also advice on how to play moongits.

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On the topic of Chaos Dwarves, has any literature or anything AoS related mentioned them even as a footnote? I'm seriously thinking I'm going to buy that FW army.

>>50654807
Unfortunately no. Not yet at least. Hopefully FW will do a book for them, but I doubt anytime soon, because right now HH is their cash cow, they've pretty much largely abandoned any 40k stuff even in favor of all hands on deck for 30k

>>50654880
Sad, but also kind of awesome, as I've mentioned in this thread before a big appeal of them to me is how 'forgotten' they are. Like everyone kind of has no idea they exist, a fuck huge Sauron tower in the east, which is badass as fuck. Given their stubborness to even die, I'd imagine they've made it to AoS, somewhere in one of those realms.

>>50652686
Blitza? That's the only Christmas-related animal name I can think of. At least it's appropriate for an Orc mount.

>>50654807
All Gates makes reference to Khorne using Hashut and his followers to forge weapons for his bloodbound. Got me thinking that Hashut is similar to the Horned rat. Horned rat is between Tzeentch and Nurgle, while Hashut is in between Tzeentch and Khorne. Still, HASHUT GOT MENTIONED! (:

>>50655258
Baller, that's awesome as shit

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What's up /AoS/ working on anything tonight?
Pretty comfy here
Doing some highlights and breaking in these saddles

>>50655443
Clanrats, finally feel happy with them to a degree, will probably post for judgement tomorrow. Way too drunk to take steady pictures

>>50655696
Right on, rats are a big job assuming of course you have an ass load

>>50652639
Rude-olf

>>50655443
Looking at my unpainted skeleton chariots but dont feel the desire to paint

Got that painters block

>>50655829
Like 200 from cheap ebay lots. only got through 60 before now, I do them in batches of thirteen cause I'm a bitch like that for skaven.

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Is anyone willing to upload the newest advent book, Bear Eater?

>>50655443
40k stuff atm, but i have to fix my broken shit

Hey, newfag here. What is the best (and the cheaper) to start between 40k and AoS ? I don't have experience in wargame btw

>>50656908
I'd say both are pretty equal now. Both have some good start collecting box sets, and both have about the same model count at 'standard game' size. Both can play small games as well as larger. And both have kits that are decently priced, as well as pricing that just doesnt make any fucking sense.

Really i think that was one of GW's goals with AoS. Both games would be about equal in price getting into, where before it was pretty obvious that fantasy was more expensive than 40k.

>>50656908
daemons are a faction in both games, so you can play both

>>50656908
Both can be cheap, but 40k is often more expensive since the community had decided to only ever play at 1850 points.

Age of Sigmar is very cheap if you play either Stormcast or Khorne Bloodbound and can get units from the starter box. There will be another starter box coming soon with Aelves and Skaven, so those armies will be cheap now too.

>>50657260
In 40k's defense, 2000 points is quickly becoming the 1850 of AoS, as in it's quickly becoming the standard that people won't generally deviate from.

So I still say 40k and AoS are about equal in costs to getting into.

>>50657299
I wish people would stop that. Big games take too long and aren't that fun.

>>50657389
Me and my friends usually do 1000p games when we want a quick game during the regular days of the week, and 1500+ points on weekends for when we have time to play longer games

>>50657389
Eh, 2k in AoS will take around two hours or so, provided neither side is playing infantry spam.
2k in 40k is a day-long endeavor if you're lucky and finish early.

>>50657414
2k in 40k is like 2 hours as well

>>50657472
Maybe in highly coordinated tournament play, but 2k casual in 2 hours? no way.

>>50651216
>dreads
dryads?

since I have the gnarlroot how about adding another wizard? branchwraith?

>>50655048
Shit
Meant to link to >>50652639

>>50657472
Two hours is maybe two player turns, if you're lucky or one guy is playing Imperial Knights.

>>50651591
only sylvaneth, beastclaw raiders and bonesplitters tomes are worth buying

>>50653236
It's only cringy when the army isn't ready.
I find there is something wrong about reading lore of an unpainted mess.

Bear Eater has been uploaded to the Mega

>>50658287
Much appreciated.

>>50657414
>Eh, 2k in AoS will take around two hours or so, provided neither side is playing infantry spam.
More like 4 or 5

Hey, I just heard about this weird shit recently. Can I use my old Warhammer Fantasy models for this game or are they so much garbage now?

>>50639640
>>50642084

this keeps popping up however noone can provide a source. And no, Lady Atia said so isn't a source. So I'm just gonna call bullshit on this rumour.

>>50658390
You can use all your old models. Even those that GW doesn't make anymore, since they all get supported and updated.

Still don't get why they didn't keep some Tomb Kings.

>Constructs of Death (Or Sandy Necrotechnicals)
>Necrotect (Leader)
>Necrosphinx (Behemoth)
>Sepulchral Stalkers
>Ushaphti (Battleline if allegiance) (Iffy since they were Finecast)

>Tomb Kings (Or Sepulchral Conquistadores)
>Tomb King / Tomb King on Royal Sphinx (Leader/Behemoth)
>Tomb Guard (Battleline if Tomb Kings Allegiance)
>Warsphinx (Behemoth)

>>50658534
Oh forgot to add Necropolis Knights(the snake rider) to the Tomb Kings Factions

I really want to get into Age of Sigmar but i have no idea which army to choose.
Is it worth picking up all the grand alliance books to read through?

>>50658565
Buying all the books seems a waste. What kind of themes do you like in your tabletop armies? Both visually and gameplay wise.

>>50656908
Bump, would like more answer

>>50658591
No idea gameplay wise but visually all of them

>>50658598
Grab a Start Collecting box and you'r good to go.

>>50658565
Eh, the Grand Alliance books are okay, but they won't really help you pick an army.
Really, ask yourself what looks cool and what kind of playstyle you want. We can help you from there.

>>50658642
This!
If you for example like the look and theme of Nurlge rotbringers, then your should start and army from there. And later on when you feel like you need to expand your current army with another grand alliance faction then you can do that. So if you want to add some Bullgors to your army, then do that. The point is; pick the army you think would suit you best

>>50658642
Well if you have no experience whatsoever, Stormcast Eternals are a really good starter faction. Easy to paint, and relatively easy to play with as well.

>>50657472
HAHAHA HAHAHA
That's cute.
Maybe if it's a super optimized list versus orks or something

>>50657414
>>50657472
2000 pts in either game is minimum 3-4+ hours and that's if you both know the rules, aren't dickheads, and there are no arguments.

And both boring shit. 1k - 1500 in AoS is perfect. i personally prefer 1k

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Other than Sigmarite, are there other rare metals to build armors and weapons with?

I need it for Narrative stuff.

>>50659053
Make up your own metal, but here are some example from the top of my head

>Metlas from meteors
>Metal mixed with blood (e.g khornate metal. As I said, make up your own)
>Mithril
>Warptwisted metal
Etc...

>>50659053
Pick a diety and add -ite or -ium or whatever suffix sounds metally in your opinion

>>50659053
>>50659075
Adding to this, you can even say that some material from a beast or daemon is as strong and study as metal. For example a piece of a tusk from an aincent chaos war mammoth that has been sharpend and made into a blade.

>>50659053
Fyresteel, Starmetal, Ur-Gold, Azyrite, Gromril, whatever the shit Nagash uses, and probably a billion different types in the realm of metal.

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T-they'll restock the battleforces, right bros?

>>50659053

I'd say the metal that the gore gruntas are shittin out is rather difficult to obtain for a not-iron jaw.

>>50659075
>>50659094
>>50659106
>>50659226
Seems to be everything I need and more.
Thanks!

>>50645265
>that gif
Jesus christ this is a blue board

>>50656947
AOS is way cheaper than 40k. Free rules, no required supplements, and you can get 1000 point armies for a little over $100

You can get a GOOD 2000 point Sylvaneth army with for under $400

>>50657414
I really prefer 2000 point games. Anything lower feels like it can swing too much with a couple of dice, and anything higher is a tedious slog.

The only time a 2000pt game takes too long is if one person is playing mass infantry, like you said. Moving infantry takes too long in AOS.

can you make a nice army with start collecting boxes of nurgle and clan pestilens?

>>50660528
Yea they should work together well.

Gonna start AoS, can you tell me a good faction to start with ? Thank

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>>50659266
>re stock
is this like a burgerland regional thing
up-here canada it's yet to sell out.
more importantly
SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL 3RD PARTY STORE YOU CLOD.

>>50660637
which book has the nurgle daemons?

>>50660692
Seraphon!

>>50660749
The Chaos grand book

>>50660822
serabro can u give me an advice
>>50648176

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>>50660692
Brayherds/warherds

>>50644041

>same post
>same image
>same filename

stop responding to this clown he's just shitposting

>>50660692
Ever played Warhammer or any other wargame? And what kind of theme do you like?

>>50660905
I have never play to a wargame. I would say typical middle age/chivalery/crusade.

>>50660958
Freeguilds might be cool since their whole theme at the moment is cool Soldiers. They also have cool tactical moves ingame to reflect that they work together like proffesional soldiers. (Things like countercharges and that sort of thing)

Otherwise, you might want to take a look at Order Draconis/Serpentis. They are more your high fantasy Knights. And don't forget you can mix and match within a grand alliance as you please.

>>50660958
Too bad the Brettionians are out of production then. I would say you maybe should look at what the freeguild/free people in the order grand alliance has to offer.

>>50660991
>>50660998
Thank ! What is grand alliance ? Sorry for the silly question.

>>50661072
It's the "faction" of order

>>50648176
Looks like a typical Gnarlroot list but you don't have any real threats. Once you get past 1000 points Sylvaneth really need a big hitter like Alarielle or Durthu.

The first group of Dryads is there to sit in Woods with Mystic Shield and reflect damage from the Sisters spell, which is a good frontline unit to absorb an enemy charge. I'm not sure what the 2nd group of Dryads is going to accomplish since you have Tree Revenants for objective control and artillery crew removal - seems like an unnecessary use of points.

Never run Kurnoth with Bows in a squad of 3, it is a waste of points. With only 2 attacks each on 4+/3+ you'll get an average of 1 wound through, and less against high save targets. They will do decent damage against low armor infantry but Sylvaneth have better options for killing swarm units like Drycha. You are better off bringing another wizard that will just cast Arcane Bolt, as it will do more reliable damage. However, since you can only cast AB once per turn there is value in bringing Kurnoths in squads of 6 or 9.

Sisters are cool against a melee army but they are very easy to play around. Mortal Wounds ignore the spell entirely, or the enemy can just choose not to charge into whatever you buff. Those 220 points can be spent on much more important units.

Try running Durthu or Kurnoth with Scythes in a group of 6 as a defensive hammer unit. Spawn woods and park the Kurnoths with Mystic Shield inside the woods near an objective and you have a 30 Wound 2+ rerollable save unit that hits extremely hard and you can ressurect models every turn with your battalion spell - nothing is getting through that short of a double turn of shooting/spells.

>>50661072
It's like overall factions
Humans, Ents, Dwarves etc the whole Lotr stuff feat Lizards is one
Marauders, monsters and ogres
Undead
and all the Chaos worshipping shit.
So you can mix in some Humans, Elves and Dwarves for the middle age chivalry with a fantasy twist and it'd be legit to play, even if not ideal

>>50661072
A Grand Alliance is a set of factions that work together. You army does not need to be all a single faction, but for pitched battles (points) every faction in your army must be in the same grand alliance

>>50661083
>>50661100
>>50661107
Well, thank a lot for the answers !

>>50661137
You could look at high elves if you want the Middle Ages aesthetic more than Humans or Dwarves though, since they're a bit more gunpowder than the Elves. Check out the new starter box Spire of Dawn for a good deal

I want to start playing age of sigmar, and I have chosen to go with order since I already have an idea of what I want to play, and that being a mix of free people and the Sylvaneth.

My idea is that in a realm (probably realm of life) there is a small town/village of humans that support themselves for being expert loggers and woodcutters. Unfortunatly the local group of sylvaneth aren't so keen on this due to the humans accidentaly chopping down a tree with a spirit inside. So tensions between them are high becuase the sylvanth doesn't want to lose more of their kin by attacking the town, but they can't stand idly by either. But as an army of Orruks and giants stomp through the area the Sylvanth and the woodcutters need to make a alliance in order to repel the attackers. Otherwise everything they both need is going to be destroyed.

Thoughts?

>>50661151
I'm gonna do that. But all of this is pretty expensive.

>>50661247
Welcome to the hobby m8

>>50660500
That's the main reason my Stormcast are still on square bases. Movement trays (five sigmarines per tray) speed things up considerably.
Though, admittedly, there are trays for square bases as well.

>>50661268
>stormcast
>square bases
Absolutely disgusting

>>50661247
Spire of Dawn is quite a decent deal if you either sell of the skaven or go splitsies with someone else. Stat collecting boxes are also quite affordable

>decent deal for GW that is.

>>50661214
That seems more like it'd happen in Ghur rather than Ghyran, but the rest is pretty neat.
Freeguild archers for local hunters and such, a smathering of militia and greatswords (with axes instead of swords) as woodsmen, maybe a couple of wizards (Beasts and Life, mainly), supported by some dryads and revenants seems pretty cool.

>>50643957
No attempt to disguise the base model - 1/10

>>50661399
The fluff is still a work in progress but I am glad you liked my idea.

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>>50661294
Yeah, yeah...

>>50661314
Tbh its a decent deal for any mini wargame. 74 models, two legitimate 750pt forces, rules, background, scenarios. All its missing is dice and tape and youve got yourself a starter box.

I need ideas for a campaign. All ideas are welcome

>>50663712
Who's involved?

>>50663751
Just a couple of friends of mine

>>50663799
In terms of factions.

Rules + points for the new Swifthawk Agent warscrolls are out on the AOS app

>>50663839
Ok we have
>1 Slaves to darkness player

>1 Host of Slaneesh player with StD support

>1 Flesh eater courts

>1 Ogor player

>1 tomb kings player

>And one beastmen player

Thinking of building seraphon for xmas, how does this list look?

+++ Seraphon (Age of Sigmar v8) (1480pts) +++

++ Pitched Battle (2,000) (Grand Alliance: Order v26) (1480pts) ++

+ Uncategorised +

Allegiance [Seraphon]

+ Leader (500pts) +

Saurus Eternity Warden (140pts)

Skink Starpriest (100pts)

Slann Starmaster (260pts)

+ Leader/Behemoth (260pts) +

Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (260pts)

+ Battleline (640pts) +

Saurus Guard (200pts) [2x 5 Saurus Guard]

Saurus Guard (100pts) [5 Saurus Guard]

Saurus Guard (100pts) [5 Saurus Guard]

Saurus Knights (240pts) [2x 5 Saurus Knights]

+ Battalion (80pts) +

Battalion: Eternal Starhost (80pts)

>>50664012
Nothing to consistent.
Just go with your typical unearthed artefact plot.

>>50664064
I have a few questions:

Why a Starpriest? What are you going to cast Summon Starlight on?

Why take a Scar Veteran on Carnosaur if you don't have any +hit buffs?

Why take Saurus Knights if you don't have a Scar Veteran on Cold One? If you want objective control then take Chameleon Skinks or Terradons instead.

Why a Slann if you aren't going to summon anything? Bring a Starseer, Priest, and/or Astrolith Bearer instead.

Your pure melee army will picked apart with mortal wounds before it reaches anything important and your opponent can easily control what you charge because you have no shooting. You need to mix some Razordons, Salamanders, Stegadon, or Bastiladon to take down the enemy screen so you can reach the targets you actually care about.

Eternal Starhost is overrated. Guard are slow and extremely vulnerable to even small amounts of mortal wounds. You are better off taking 15 Guard in a single group, buffing it with Mystic Shield, and skipping the Starhost entirely. Having a single large squad of Guard makes the Scar Veteran buff much stronger, too.

>>50661089
Really insightful reply man thanks. In any case tournaments are run with 2k points in my store so I should raise it up to 2k.

I guess this one is a more solid army then?

Leaders
Treelord Ancient (300)
Branchwych (100)
Alarielle the Everqueen (620)
Loremaster (100)

Units
Dryads x 10 (120)
Dryads x 10 (120)
Tree-Revenants x 5 (100)
Kurnoth Hunters x 3 (180)
- Scythes
Kurnoth Hunters x 3 (180)
- Scythes

Household (20)
Gnarlroot Wargrove (80)
Total: 1920/2000

Or swap the Everqueen for a Durthu and spend the remaining 300 points on something else? Maybe more Kurnoths?

>>50661151
Guns and plate armor existed at the same time in history

>>50664183
I like the starpriests pseudo surviability buff with the -1 to hit for an enemy or to make my guard stronger.

The slann was included because the constellations seem pretty powerful, although I agree I won't be summoning anything.

What +1 to hit do seraphon even have?

This was built basically around what I already have, which is 1 sc box and a box of guard. So then knights just seemed like a reasonably pick being that I already have them. My meta doesn't rely super heavily on mortal wounds, but how would you build them?

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>>50664207
A big problem I'm seeing here is that you don't have a good target for Mystic Shield, which is a problem for a defensive army like Sylvaneth. You have two small squads of Dryads and two small squads of Kurnoths.

You usually don't want to run Dryads in groups of 10 because you won't get the +1 save bonus for having 12+ models.
Running the Kurnoths as 1 group instead of 2 is great not only because it gives you more value from Mystic Shield but it also makes it less likely that the unit will be wiped so you can keep ressurecting models with Verdurous Harmony. The 2" reach on the scythes makes it easy to have the whole unit attack in combat.

I would do either add another battleline (10x dryads or 5x tree-revenants) and combine the current 20 dryads into a single unit, or run the Kurnoths as a single unit

Loremaster works well with Alarielle but Hand of Glory is even better on Durthu. Alarielle is great if you need another wizard but in a Gnarlroot you have plenty of spells to cast already, so I would just take Durthu instead.

Another option to round out the list is to run a Celestial Hurricanum instead of a Loremaster. +1 to hit for all your units near it, a powerful shooting attack, and a powerful unique spell really complement your strong melee force.

>>50660958
Seriously, if you don't play at a GW, get Deus Vult models, and use Bretonnia for rules. Keep a look out on eBay for models.

>>50664325
The Starpriest spell is good but casting it on a small unit isn't getting the most value out of it. You want to cast it on something like a Bastiladon with Ark of Sotek, or Kroak + Vortex, or a big unit of 15 Guard.

Slann constellations are good but you can get the same effects (and more) elsewhere. Skink Priest lets you reroll run, charge, and save. Astrolith Bearer lets you reroll ALL hits (not just hit1 like the constellation) and +1 to casting AND +8" to casting range. The only time you should take a Slann is if you intend on summoning in reinforcements. Hopefully they add a Seraphon Spell Lore some day so the Slann can see play again.

>What +1 to hit do seraphon even have?
Saurus Warriors get +1 to hit if you run them in a group of 20+ and you can run them next to a Celestial Hurricanum. So with a Scar Veteran on Carnosaur buff you can hit on 2+, generating attacks on 4+. I have actually been looking at this synergy in the past few days and I'm going to test it out over the next few days.

The only good target for a SCC buff is Saurus Knights because they get so many attacks, but you want to use the Bloodclaw there so you can also use a SCCO because his buff is very good on Knights as well.

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>>50664183
ey Serabro, i just got Seraphon battletome. Did i do good.

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>>50664376
After grouping the dryads (also kurnoths) and adding another battleline, celestial hurricanum with durthu exceeds 2000 by 20 points.

So my final list is like this:

Treelord Ancient (300)
Branchwych (100)
Spirit of Durthu (400)
Loremaster (100)
Dryads x 20 (240)
Tree-Revenants x 5 (100)
Kurnoth Hunters x 9 (540) (Weapon?/should I magnetize?)
Tree-Revenants x 5 (100)
Household (20)
Gnarlroot Wargrove (80)
Total: 1980/2000

I think it looks more or less good like this.

>>50664183
Flamethrowers or big bow on a steg?

>>50664703
No, seraphon battletome is a waste of money

(i have one too)

>>50664789
AOS point values are not a strict number like in 40k, it is more like a general guideline. It is usually okay to be 20 points over but talk with your opponent about it before the game.

>>50664853
Almost always big bow. Flamethrowers are really good against mass infantry though.

There's a neat trick you can pull off with the Flamethrowers though:

>Summon a Stegadon into play more than 9" from an enemy
>Use the Skink Alpha ability to move the Stegadon D6 (use Insight from starseer to reroll this if necessary)
>now you are in range to shoot both the javelins and the flamethrower
>also makes the charge easier

Skaven players hate this. They were not expecting an anti-swarm unit to suddenly appear on the board and fire at their clan rats.

>>50664789
>Weapon?
Almost always run Scythes on Kurnoths.

Swords are only good if you run it as a squad of 3, and only if your opponent doesn't ignore Rend-1.

Scythes are always good and you can run them in big groups without worrying about missing attacks from having a large melee size. 1 more rend is much better than 1 more attack.

Bows are only good if you run 6+ with bows or if you already have a dedicated Arcane Bolt wizard.

>>50664970
>No, seraphon battletome is a waste of money
Unbelievably so, it was the first, and the worst of the renewed factions. Its really sad that I know i wont be seeing a decent stab at the lizards for a couple years while they cycle through the others.

Do we have a list of alternative, non-GW models and warscrolls that best fit them? I picked up some Mantic Dwarfs on the cheap and was thinking about these proxies:

Mantic Shieldbreakers as Hammerers
Mantic Ironclad as Ironbreakers
Mantic Ironwatch as Quarrelers or Thunderers
Ironbelcher as Cannon/Organ gun (duh)

Would be good to know what others are using as proxies. I like the rules for Age of Sigmar, especially now that there are points, but GW's models can be pricey and aren't always what I'm looking for.

>>50665028
>Ironbelcher
Basic rule of proxy is that If I can tell what it is at a glance its okay by me.

>>50665028
>Mantic Ironwatch
Benefits of Mantic models is that theyve been riding GW's coat tails so closely and for so long they are practically crappier versions of GW models, so they proxy up really well.

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>>50664970
>No, seraphon battletome is a waste of money
;_; but i love lizards

>>50664970
Whats the logic behind the bow? Just more ranged shooting? What makes it surpass the horde-clearing of the flames?

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>>50665019
is it easy to magnetize their weapons?

>>50665146
Lizards are awesome, but the fluff and the paintjob on the models in thatt book is waaaay below par. Here, enjoy this gallery of all the good art from the book instead:

http://imgur.com/a/V9AGb

>>50665200
Above average damage and a huge threat range can start putting damage on key targets as early as turn 1. Very reliable since you can reroll hits with an Astrolith Bearer. Gets even better if you run Thunderquake Starhost to reroll wounds, too. If you get a double turn (very likely if you run a Starseer) you can do a lot of damage with it. Gunline Seraphon is one of the best lists

Not every army runs hordes. Most armies don't. If you get charged by a deep strike unit or something fast like chariots then you won't get much value from the flamethrowers, and your opponents will make sure that is the case.

>>50665232
Not sure, never tried it. Ask in /wipg/

>>50663911
Don't have the app, post them here, would you?

>>50664491
Do you mind explaining the kroak vortex combo? I can see it being aids without the rule of 1 but wit it he is just a very expensive bufftower

>>50665495
Even with just 1 Astrolith Bearer (you can bring 2 or more, their effects stack) he is dealing mortal wounds with Arcane Bolt from 52" away and his Celestial Deliverence has an average radius of ~40". If you have two Astroliths the average radius is 56". Imagine casting Arcane Bolt on every unit on the board every turn, and you are almost guaranteed to get two turns in a row any time you want with Insight.

Even with the Rule of 1 Kroak just wrecks armies by himself. You eventually kill every hero on the other side of the board with meteors + arcane bolt (and Celestial Deliverence if they are stupid enough to be in range of it), all artillery crew, and start picking away at their frontline.

Want to kill Kroak? Good luck! He can't be attacked in the combat phase, he has a 2+ rerollable save, you have -1 to hit him, he can force rerolls on your mortal wound rolls, and he can surround himself with a huge disposable screen to prevent deep strike mortal wound shooting.

>>50665605
Ah I get it, I didn't realize the satellite radio bearers were part of it. Yea I can see why that's atrocious, most armies rely on their heroes to keep everything together so sniping them away turn by turn is brutal

>>50665605
This sounds like total horseshit to go up against

>>50665784
It is total cancer. There needs to be an errata so special characters can't use the Vortex.

>>50665605
For the purpose of range finding though, arcane bolt has an 18 inch range, bearer boosts that by 8 and vortex doubles. So is the proper math (18+8)2=52 or is it 18(2)+8=44?

>>50665853
Since you control both effects you control which order they are applied in. I think this was clarified in the FAQ? Not sure.

>>50665605
Two-three hellcannons.

>>50665019
what is the logic with arcane bolt caster and bows?

>>50665970
Oh really? I hadn't seen this faq so I'm not sure, although if that is true that settles a dispute my group has had for a bit.

>unit RE-rolls hits of 1
> unit also has +1 to hit
>unit cannot roll a 1 and therefore loses its reroll

We argued that you had to declare which effect he would use. Saying he had the reroll this turn or the +1

>>50636774
Does the bonus effect from chaos familiars stack?
"Arcane Power: Chaos Familiars are
sources of magical power, and can
memorise spells and canticles on their
master’s behalf, constantly rehearsing
them until called upon to share their
arcane knowledge. You can add 1 to any
casting or unbinding rolls for Chaos
Wizards from your army within 6" of any
Chaos Familiars."

>>50666223
>of any
Gee, I wonder...

>>50666008
I view it this way:

Arcane Bolt will reliably deal D3 damage to any unit. You only need to roll a 5+ which is an 83% chance. If you have any kind of buff like Arcane terrain then it becomes even more reliable (a 4+ is 92%)

3 Kurnoth with Bows have 6 attacks @ 4+/3+. Against a 4+ save you have a ~40% chance to deal D3 damage, a 22% chance to deal 0 damage, a 27% chance to deal 2D3 damage, and a very low chance of dealing more. It's not reliable, and it gets even less reliable if you are shooting something with a better save. It's not uncommon to play 5 battle rounds and not deal a single wound with Kurnoth bows.

A wizard dedicated to casting Arcane Bolt can be as low as 100 points and will usually have some other utility while a group of Kurnoth with bows cost 180. So if you are just going to bring a group of Kurnoth with bows, and you don't have a dedicated Arcane Bolt caster, then you are usually better off replacing it with a cheap wizard instead.

That said, this comparison is not perfect by any means.
Bows get more reliable if you shoot some low save chaff units, which is a niche that the Sylvaneth need filled, but those units can usually be more efficiently cleared by Drycha.
Your opponent may have some special rule that reduces the effectiveness of mortal wounds, which makes the comparison favour Bows.
Bows are also very long range while a wizard may get sniped standing 18" to their target. (that could also be a downside since leaving Kurnoths at the back could leave them vulnerable to a deep strike unit and Sylvaneth lack the mobility to go back and save the Kurnoths)
You can also bring more Bows while you cannot cast Arcane Bolt more than once.
You can also do both Arcane Bolt and Bows.

>>50666273
Just making sure i'm not cheesemongering

>>50666223
>gw sells units of 10
What were they thinking?!

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guys, what do you think is the most "trending" tabletop wargame right now?
AoS, Infinity, Warmachine, Malifaux?
Discuss.
I am starting the discussion because i see A LOT of butthurt fags being salty about AoS and basically doing all they can to make it die.

>>50666672
Definitly not AoS.
Infinity or Warmachine.

>>50666701
>Warmahordes
>trending
Yeah, no. 3rd edition failed to bring in new players so far and didn't revitalize the game in any significant manner.
Infinity is probably a good bet. X-Wing supposedly even more so, but it wasn't mentioned in the question.

>>50666273
So... it doesn't? I'm not sure about the wording as a non native speaker

>>50666223
>You can add 1 to any casting or unbinding rolls for Chaos Wizards from your army within 6" of any Chaos Familiars."

>of any

It does not stack.

>>50666672
>AoS
I think it's gonna have a hard time to compete as skirmisher cause it's too expensive and GW bundles boxed with absurd amounts of models. Who needs 10 cavalry models at one? or 6 bloodcrushers?
That aside the setting is just completely void of any interesting plotpoints or characters. There's no reason to give a shit about anything that happens in that world anymore.

>Infinity
they got good models, but what annoys me about them is that the designs are really generic and hard to tell apart. Part of that is also that it's pretty weeb. I don't get most of the references because I'm neither spanish nor into anime.
On the upside it's way cheaper than AoS and doesn't take itself to serious.
Pretty much the only majorly successful sci-fi skirmisher. Only thing else that is moderately successful is MERCs.

>Warmachine
Don't like most of the models. That's enough of a reason not to get into it for me.
Does pretty good in terms of community though. There are apparently loads of players in the us. Don't care about the background though.

>Malifaux?
I like the idea behind the game, but most of the factions or the minis don't do anything for me. Add the fact that you don't see anything but renders of most of the models unless you go looking for pictures of other player's models.
I've looked into buying some of the old metal models for other games though.
I want to like it. Just hasn't happened yet somehow.

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So, Spire of Dawn.
Spireguard, Reavers and the High Warden all have the Swifthawk Agents keyword.
That makes the Swifthawk Agents into an actual army.

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>>50666948
Thanks man