Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

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>>50590859
Quick, post Unforgiven!

I cant decide which of those faces is my favorite, the genestealer or the necron

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Christmas has come early with 60 quid of flawless recasts.

>>50590894
So how do Dark Angel fans feel about the Fallen escaping the Rock?

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Quick question, how long does a marine have to serve in the Deathwatch to keep their special shoulerpad and arm the replaces their crux terminatus? I feel like buying a Deathwatch Land Raider pack and some terminators to go in the metal box, and I want to give one or maybe two of them or even all 5 the deathwatch shoulderpad/arm.

Anyone have any excuses fluffwise as to why all the members of a squad would have them?

>>50590894
Sure thing boss, have a chaplain.

>>50590927
Gonna post them to r/yoyhammer? or here?

>>50590927
share with me your secrets anon, there are too many armies i wish to start

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For the Emperor

>>50590927
Where did you get them? I've been searching all over bits sites for chimera chassis top replacements and haven't found anything. I was hoping to find a chimera or hell hound top but no luck.

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>>50590859
Is this the only Thousand Sons list with Thousand Sons in it worth running?

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So what's the best way to field Thousand Sons so far?

>Exalted Sorcerer
It's not terrible at melee so my instinct is to give him the Astral Grimoire and have him lead the Tzaangors, keeping them fast enough to hopefully do something before they die. Might give him that awesome staff but I'm not sure. He's a solid melee and psyker but I'm worried that putting him with a fast moving melee unit means he'll never get to use his one-off shooting attack.

>Sorcerer
Most efficient psyker available to the 1K Sons if you upgrade their mastery level. Not sure where to put them, but I'm thinking either with the rubrics or scarabs. With ML3 and MoT they'll cost you 125.

>Magnus
Obviously he's the gem here, but I still feel like he's overcosted and won't shine unless you have a ton of warp charges to feed him. Pink horrors should help with that (or blues and brimstones if you're made of money).

>Ahriman
Like everything else, he's overcosted, but three doombolts is still fun.

>Rubric Marines
The Soulreaper cannon is entirely too expensive to be useful (which the same can be said of the whole unit, I guess). I'm thinking squads of nine to save points and praise Tzeentch, maybe up to two flamers and rhino as far as upgrades.

>Tzaangors
I want to love these guys but I just compare them to ork boyz and weep. I'm probably going to build mine with 2 CCW weapons but going with pistol and chainsword is viable as well. Twistbray is a good idea if they're not being led by an IC.

>Terminator Occult Scarabs
Honestly my favorite new unit, the models are great at 40 points for a terminator is a little more reasonable than 23 for power armor, until I remember the no power fists. Missile rack + flamer seems to be the no-brainer here, given that the cannon is so overcosted for only offering four S5 shots.

Obviously allying daemons is near-mandatory if you want to win, but I just want to talk about the Thousand Sons units themselves for now. Thoughts?

>>50590981
Basic transports are difficult to buy. No one recasts them except Z and you can find his details easily with some digging.
>>50590976
Sorry fella, Its a reclusive club and I buy from the best. He has a limited range of products and they are almost indistinguishable from GW stuff. If you want a guy who does all armies look at Z*'s catalogue on yoyhammer. Patience is the key

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>>50590927
Where the hell can a nigga get bits?

I bought all but two of my vehicles on ebay. Need tracks for a bunch, pieces missing, all that stuff.
Can email if you like.

Couldn't get an answer in last thread, New player, interested in harlequins, are they viable in a non-tournament setting without allies?

>>50590952
Does the Deathwatch shoulderpad have a name?

>>50590979

What would you do if your opponent told you he played loyalist Space Marines, and then pulled out a Alpha Legion army?

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Librarian. Whats the best force weapon? He is going to be Ravenguard. Might try and convert an axe or a Lance (is there even a force Lance?)

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>>50591111
Sternguard vets

>>50591111
>>50591114
Are those Z or CCON?

>>50591087
If you're not playing to win 100% of the time, definitely. You'll have to keep it to smaller games most likely, however.

Easiest answer is just pick up some corsairs or Craftworlders to fill in points.

>>50591111

Theres no force lance. You want the axe.

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>>50591114
Cybernetica datasmith. Note the completeness of fine components.

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>>50591121
Neither although I have a friend who bought ccon and regularly uses it in GW.
.>>50591128
Land speeder. No warping

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>>50591140
Centurion. Not sure why they include other components besides grav cannons. Are they ever used?

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>>50591148
Ven Dread. Nice solid panels, no warping.

>>50591140
Hmmm....is it CDR or MI?

>>50591111
Sword and axe are the best.

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>>50591153
Vanguard Vets. Check out the lightning claws. Sharp, unwarped and perpendicular

>>50591155
Alright, Might take the axe from the vanguard and pin it to the staff. That sounds ravenguard enough

>>50591154
It is a China based recaster. Not Z or CCON . I'll leave it at that

You've been drafted into the guard, oh my!
Now they're handing out weapons, and you drew the short straw.

Choose between the two special weapons they need troopers to carry:
>Plasma Gun. You're expected to be on the line, preferably holding it. If you don't keep the bitch firing, the Commissar will be displeased.
>Melta Gun. While it can't kill you, the armor you're going to be charging at very well might. Sneaking up to tanks is considered Cowardly by your Commissar.
>Flamer. Mildly dangerous to you. It's a short range weapon, and you'll be place in the area of heaviest fighting to take advantage of it. No Commissar, more enemies.
>Demolitions Charge. Heavy, unwieldy, and likely to explode if you're shot at. If you don't throw it far enough, kiss your squad goodbye. No pressure. You're storming walls, by the by.

>>50591182
Damn. They're really good fucking casts. Now that I look at them, guessing Z was stupid. They're too clean.

>>50591182
that narrows it down to 50 recasters, how helpful. if its a private recaster, just fucking say so, no one from gw is going to care if you say the name.

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>>50591184
the four* special

>>50591111
>>50591114
>>50591128
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>>50591148
>>50591153
>>50591161
Damn, those are fine. Props on your find, anon.

so now that we have traitor legion leaks, what are the funnest or most interesting hq builds with the new stuff?

>>50591198
Yeah it's only the second time I got recasts too so I'm pleased. Bastard doesn't do chaos though or rhinos or even predators so I need to get real ones. Then flash on them is very minimal and there are fewer mould lines than real models

>>50591184
Flamer all the way, man. I love the smell of liquid promethium in the morning.

>>50591206
Everyone has to find their own recaster Anon. Its a personal journey. Good luck!

>>50591206
>no one from gw is going to care if you say the name

Uh huh, sure. I don't even do recasting and I know that's bullshit.

>>50591184
Plasma gun, but I'll wear oven gloves. Safety first

>Tau Standard CAD (1000pts)

>Ethereal (Homing beacon, honor blade, hover drone, recon armor)
>XV8 unit (2x Fusion and Stim, 2x Flamer and Target Lock)
>XV8 unit (3x 2xPlas and EWO, one buffsuit with CC Node/MSS/RIF)
>Ghostkeel (Ion Raker, TL Fusion, Stim Injector, Counterfire

>2x Strike Team (9 FW, 1 Shas'ui w/ ML, 1 SMS Turret)

>Broadside (ATS, Seeker Missile, TL HRR/TL SMS)

How bad is this for a friendly 1000pt game? It's the models I've got as they're modeled, mostly, except 5/6 Crisis suits are flexible.

>>50590927
>flawless
>not even out of the bag yet

Sure.

>>50591184
>You drew the short straw
>I get to carry the most badass gun on the field

Melta all day every day.

>>50591067
>Sorry fella, Its a reclusive club and I buy from the best.

Yet you can't even afford the real thing. I don't have anything against recasts but fuck off.

>>50591184

>Take Melta
>Stop bathing
>Acquire interesting collection of skin diseases

Begin new life as Jurgen.

>buying recasts of plastic kits

To what end

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>>50590859
Gonna play this, this weekend.

>>50591359

Autocannon sentinels are a good loadout for them.

Chimeras seem good, don't presume your veterans invincible inside of them, and if you face down melta weapons be sure to disembark and use the chimeras as a seperate strike force to draw fire off the vets.

The tanks feel like somewhat of a big point sink at this level, but if you can roll well with the Punisher you can easily make the points back mowing down MEQs.

Overall kinda risky in this current age of vehicles getting raped, but could be good.

>>50591344
I buy real too. But if I can get near perfect ones more convenient than real (closet GW is 2 hours by plane away) then why not? Dont be jelly anon. I did my research to get the recaster details

>>50591358
saving shekels

>>50591394
Thanks for the comments. Are footslogging Guard better in this edition? I have about 40 guys painted, which isn't a lot for foot slogging. I also need more Heavy Weapons Squads to really bring some firepower.

>>50591333
True, I haven't checked every component. You got me anon!

>>50591231
Nightlords Murderclaws seems simple and nice if not the best.
How the iron warriors demon possess one work?

>>50591414
Probably not great, but they're fun. They do fuck up space marine drop pods if you have so many bodies that they cannot physically deploy them anywhere useful

>>50591401
I respect that, but we can't "start our journey" without even a vague description of our destination other than "It's a Chinese caster". I know you didn't buy from 50+ individual recasters to find them, so why should we? You probably had a tiny breadcrumb so why not at least let us know where that breadcrumb was so we can "start our journey"?

>>50591440
Ah okay. So vehicle Guard and footslogging Guard aren't that strong then? Ideally in bigger point games I'd like to have a healthy mix of vehicles and meat for the grinder, but I have some ways to go in terms of painted army.

>>50591455
Guard is just relatively weak unless you spam the Wyvern or stuff like that.

>>50591447

Its only difficult if you have a self imposed /r/ ban. I did for a time until I lifted it last year. Although the community is hardly any better than 4chan, at least I can search for previous threads of notable content with Google search.

>>50591512
Oh, I'm no stranger to Reddit, I frequent Yoyhammer and another private recast sub. But there's not need to be "NO, ULTRA SECRET MEMBERS ONLY" to people asking for a hint, you're already talking about recasts, so you may as well throw people a line and see if they're competent enough to find the answer on their own. It's okay to give breadcrumbs, even if they're tiny. They give people a starting point. I found CCON's stuff through a long search. I even emailed him, but I guess it was an old email address or something because he never replied.

>>50591553

>But there's not need to be "NO, ULTRA SECRET MEMBERS ONLY" to people asking for a hint

Yes there is. Maybe you're young and naive or a lefty, but if you have a good thing going for yourself then you want to keep it that way. Putting the spotlight on the chinks will only bring more heat for the recasters and more trouble for the customer base.

Is it unfair that you're being left out and have to do some investigating on your own? Maybe. But fuck your needs, I have my own.

>>50591576
I got Zs email by accident someone didn't know he couldn't delete posts right away or some shit... now that I have the email I feel you just the chance my china men will be gone I can't risk giving that info

>>50591231

I've been having fun thinking about NL, too.

You have:
-4Ld Fear test Raptor Squad

Nurgle /Tzeentch 2++ Prince

Murder squad with Flying Sorc with Artificer armor, Lord with Murder Claws and 10 Raptors. The Sorc blesses the squad with shit like Fire Shield for a 3+ cover out in the open, Warp Fate, Unearthly Anathema, Ley Leech, Fleshmetal, Invisibility, and/or Endurance.

>>50591587
p sure GW doesn't even care about recasters anymore. all the ones that are here now have been around for years and years, and new ones are popping up as well, the biggest reason why people don't want e-mails shared is because recasters are normally swamped for business anyways and honestly don't need many more customers.

>>50591058
>going to build with 2 ccw
>pistol and chain sword is viable as well.

Pistol is a ccw, so pistol and ccw is 2 ccw.

Also you can only give your models one relic each, it was in one of the new FAQs

>>50591576
If you're going to sit here and gloat about your awesome recasts and tell anyone who wants an inkling of direction towards acquiring their own to fuck off, then don't post them at all. I'm glad you got some sweet Chinese resin, but EVERYONE knows people are going to want to at least know where you got them. Like you said, "if you have a good thing going for yourself then you want to keep it that way". Don't sit there and play innocent when people want a piece of the cake you put in front of their face and tell them they can't have it or even learn who baked it so that they can buy one themselves. If you don't want people eyeballing your cake with watering mouths don't bring it to the party.

>>50591683

You're forgetting that most cakes are bad. Find yourself a good cake store instead of wishing for one.

>>50590976
r/yoyhammer
and google search/archive search for Z(zhanchui), ccon, these are the two most common ones. there are many others, but its a good way to start.

>>50591218
Do you guys think maybe GWs prices would be better if people stopped buying from the Chinaman? Shouldn't they be able to produce greater quantities of models with decreasing costs for each model?

>>50591715
AYYY LMAO

>>50591715
people started really buying from chinamen when gw's prices increased, so no.

>>50591447
Yoyhammer. I found everything I know in there

>>50591710

Naw, I feel the best way to start is with the "mid tier" store fronts. Its a perfect compromise between risk, affordable pricing, and resin quality. Z and CCON are for min-maxing and their primary customers are people who want to spend one or two grand annually.

If you just want a few Forgeworld models, the Chink e-store fronts are a good place to go.

>>50591553
CCON has a taobao shop. Use that instead. No need for emails.

>>50591683
Wrong Anon, I didn't gloat. I'm the recast anon. I even told you I found the info on yoyhammer.

rolling up a new detachment of deathwatch, in the deathwatch codex page 72 where it lists the points for wargear, under specialist wargear there is no jumppack listed, but in appendix for specialst issue wargear it does have jump packs.
does this mean i cant give my chaplain a jump pack since there is no point cost, and its just in the appendix because the veteran vanguards come with them?

How are DW vanguard vets best equipped?

>>50591792
Maybe 1 or 2 with stormshields and the rest with lightning claws? I really haven't a clue. Do they have any good formations?

>>50591815
If you don't have a clue how DW works then just don't comment...

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>>50591815

>/tg/ in one post

>>50591815
Dw fomations are all veterans with something X units attached as a single unit.

Vanguard vets have to drag along regular footsloggers vets to reroll wounds vs elites and failed charges.

How are necrons? Im coming back to the game after about 3~ years away and want to dust off my dudes

What kinds of lists are sucessfull?

>>50591873
Togh but samey.
All infantry carry one gun.

>>50591873
Depends who you play.
Vs the big boys you are stuck with monobuild.

>>50591873
Like I dunno, 5-6th best army. Read the new codex.

Use the Decurion's stuff.

>>50591358
GW plastic prices are obscene too, that 3 man centurion squad is $78 whereas he bought the entire lot of models from the Chinaman for $60.

GW would have so much more of my money if the prices were cheaper. I just get my shit off eBay mostly, but when I've gone into a GW even when I've been in that mood to just impulse buy some plastic crack the prices have still turned me away.

Shit I even stopped myself buying glue in store because it cost 7.50 euro for a tiny pot.

>>50590859
Anyone use Militarum Tempestus at all? I was thinking putting in an allied detachment to my IG. They seem awesome.

>>50591184

Flamer. SUFFER NOT THE UNCLEAN TO LIVE

>>50591742
CCON is mid-tier.

>>50591976
Some do.

Are assault centurions any good? They look so slow and they will never get to overmatch their flamers

Here's a recaster question I'm sure someone can answer.

[Spoiler] is the MI website legit? Seems a bit shakey [/spoiler]

>>50592030
If you wanna spoiler something just highlight it and hit ctrl + s

Does anyone know what the Auxiliary/Core/HQ choices for the new Death Guard Decurion are?

Hoping that the "Spawn" formation is still in for cheap auxiliary tax.

>>50592030
No idea what it is.

>>50592030
I've been told to use it as a catalog and the email is on that website. Send that email address your order with the product numbers.

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>>50592067

>>50592067
>>50592080
And everything else, if you want it.

>>50592080
Please show the iron warriors one!

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>>50592090
Forgot the fucking picture...

>>50592080

Got the NL one?

Curze was punished for doing what he was told

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>>50592099

I got these from here, but ok.

>>50592113
Seriously? When? I follow the threads daily...

So I've been collecting Forge World Mechanicum models and am interested in actually playing the game now. Can I just show up at a store and play with them, provided its a valid list? Or can you not use 30k and 40k armies together due to balance/people not being familiar with the rules? Should I just buy 1500 pts of skitarri instead?

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>>50592107

>>50592061
Mobile posting unfortunately :/


>>50592076
That's what I deduced, I'm a bit hesitant to give out my name and paypal though

>>50592119
There were multiple threads earlier today. You must have been in the other thread.

>>50592030
I've dropped a fair bit on splitting an order of 3 leviathans with mates, straight through the website.
They have a notes bit and I asked to swap the grav flux bombard for a melta lance.
That took like 6 emails back and forth to convey that I wanted to swap something, but just one weapon, no not all the weapons and no not buy an extra one.
Got there in the end.

Paid through a PayPal invoice for my safety and they marked my order on the website as payment received.

Good quality stuff. More expensive than Z but less moldlines and shifting.

>>50592113
Disappointing In a way. Favoured of the gods when they don't even use possessed? And no barrage weapons... Nice rules, but poor detachment choices.

>>50592080

Just take the Warband desu and a spawn or two desu.

>plague lord
>plague sorcerer
>2 squads of cheaper plague marines, sans special wargear
>3 squads of unkillable plague bikers
>3 squads of unkillable plague terminators
>3 squads of relentless plague havocs

enjoy your entire army being one of the hardest to kill in the game, while also being reasonably mobile and while also having decent long range firepower

>>50592113
>>50592080
>>50592103
Somebody really should put these together into a pdf. I'd do it myself, but I'm posting from a phone.

>>50592113

Unlimited fortifications... Amazing. With planetary assault you can elect to always play cities of death by paying 20 points a piece for ruins.

Now it says model, i assume that means vengeance weapon batteries with battle cannons can reroll scatter. It is a model.

>>50592130

Fucking Sweet! Thanks! Got their Armory/Traits?

>LatD for NL
>Sneaky Terrorists
>Night Lords get the fucking Taliban

>>50592148
Yea. I kinda wish they got a Terror Squad formation made of CSM squads, but I'll take the Taliban

>>50592157
It was already done earlier too. Didn't save, check the archive.

>>50592080
Why are DG always broken? I dont get it. Their fluff is fucking terrible as well. Disgusting.

new player here, tfw shit english dont know what i want to say

basically how to use chaos sorcerer? if im taking this unit for 75 points with a jump pack, is it good? i have not played a game of 40k before, so i dont know how to use it. i watched some tactical videos on youtube and my idea is put him with raptors and they plus him will just kill small stuff. since he won't kill characters, but is this okay for just killing my enemy's weak units? my idea was only spend 75 points on HQ to save for using on other stuff

and do i give him the force axe? or sword?

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>>50592169
Please show the Iron warriors warlord traits and wargear

>>50592067
Its on the 1d4 csm page

>>50592173

Nurgle is love

I don't run them, as they are always good and I like to suffer. That is why I am a Word Bearer since 3.5 daemon bombs

>>50592119
Yesterday about 12 hours ago.

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>>50592186

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>>50592113
>>50592130
>>50592080

Alpha Legion?

>>50592195
We got on a ship and one guy let chaos in is not an interesting fall to chaos.

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>>50592207

stupid timer

>>50592206
Dark Blessings upon you, anon!

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>>50592207

>>50592120
you can play whatever as long as its nicely painted.


oh and play some games before buying some skitarii, so you wont buy the wrong models.

>>50592184

Oh shit. I didn't know the murder claws gave +1S. Those are really fucking good. Holy shit.

The Vox user has to be on the Battlefield, which hinders it's use in a Raptor Talon, but then again it's not really needed for that. That just mans I can put it somewhere else and give the Lord a plate or murder claws

>>50592208

If military life taught me one thing, there is always one. And more often then not, they fuck things up for the rest of us.

>>50592220
>>50592229
Thank you!

>>50592186
>>50592160
>>50592107
>>50592099
>>50592207


See: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Chaos_Space_Marines(7E)#The_Legions

>>50592179

Sorcerers are good, yes. They are a spellcaster unit, so what's important is that they are able to use their psychic powers effectively. What kinds of units they are good against, and what their role on the battlefield is, isn't just based on what equipment they have, but also what Psychic Discipline(s) you are using.

Always take Mastery Level 3 and a Spell Familiar if you have the points. Also consider the Mark of Nurgle or an Aura of Dark Glory if you want to be more survivable.

Force Sword = beats power armor
Force Axe = strikes last, +1 S, beats terminator armor.
Sword is better for general purpose and hunting weak units, axe is better for killing more dangerous stuff but has the drawback of striking last.

>>50591715
This is literally the opposite of how economics works.

>tfw there was a writing contest in my are that I forgot about
>just remembered right now
>it had to be minimum 500 words
>ends in two hours
>quickly write up 500+ words about terminators just showing up inna land raider, pwning everything, chaplain yelling about how these are the guys you should be like, how they're part of the glorious first compant and earned their terminator honors
>write this in less than an hour
Man, it probably sucked donkey crap, but man I'm just feeling confused right now for some reason. Like, I have my own copy right here, but I'm so tired I can't even tell if it's good or bad.

>>50592145
How do you pay through a PayPal invoice? What protection does PayPal afford you?

What your saying sounds promising

>>50592254

I wanted to see it with my own eyes like Darth Vader

also official points values

>>50592184

Oh, also, could I see the NL Tac objectives?

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>>50592291
Go to sleep anon.

>>50592304
Saved.

>>50592296
You can file a claim with paypal to contest payment and the sellers has to provide proof of delivery to avoid having the money pulled.

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>>50592291

>>50592302

don't have sorry senpai

>>50592268
ok thanks

problem i have is i made an army list and cant spend over 150 points on HQ unless i change other stuff. so sorcerer with jump pack, level 3, and spell familiar is 140 i think, but then i can take a chaos lord too. so if i want to just kill weak units, what about chaos lord with jump pack and power axe? it's only 95 points

i have a box of 5 terminators too. what about sorcerer in terminator armor to deep strike with them? is 85 points, does it still need more spell levels?

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>>50592130

>+1 cover applies as long as it's night fighting not just T1 like the leak said
>mfw

The wording on the NF is odd. Are ALL night fighting attempts successful?

>>50592352
Odd how?
If the NL player wants it there's Night Fighting.
Period

>>50592375

I mean rolling in the following turns.

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>>50592302

>>50592392

A final thank you!

>>50592207
>>50590859
>>50592080
>>50592103
>>50592113

GUYS, please calm your tit. leaks were last night, here we go:

https://mega.nz/#!SwU2CTyA!DB5ScdknXIkBK3G4DQt3qUPzv0T-6BPAcpKTw3Tf0Cg

>>50592387
There are no following turn iirc.
Just turn 1 as usual.

>>50592424

Really? I thought night fighting kept going.

>>50592387
Night fighting is turn 1 only.

>>50592296
So you ask MI to pay through PayPal and send you an invoice.
They log into their PayPal account.
They use a tool on there to create an invoice addressed to the email address you provided them for the value of the goods you want.
you get an email directly from PayPal itself to log on with your account, check the invoice is what you are expecting and pay through PayPal.
Then MI get an alert to say you paid their invoice and it is all registered that the payment was for the specific goods and not just you randomly sending money to their paypal registered email address

This affords the safety of any fuck ups like they don't send it, it gets lost in the post, it's wrong and they aren't willing to correct it if you contact them etc. means you have PayPal protection to raise a claim and PayPal will pull your money back or refund you directly themselves.
Though I never had any of the above problems.

>>50592427
That's game turns.

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>>50592401

>Nurgle primaris is a 6" assault 1+1d6 nova with 4+ poison and AP5
>Slanesh gets assault 4 S4 AP4 blind, concussive pinning
>Tzeentch, Lord of magic and sorcery gets S1+1d6 small blast with ap -

>>50592427

you are confusing editions

https://youtu.be/IFfbUq6vwa8
Merry orkmas ya gitz.

>>50592470

Fair enough

>>50592473
It's only the 8th, you idiot.

The more I look at it, the more I think I like a Nurgle DP over a Tzeentch one for the Batman legion. The Nurgle lore really helps.

>Heals characters
>Nova Primaris
>Grants poison to a friendly unit
>Buffs or drains a unit by +/-1 S AND T

>>50592495
Its Orksmas ya git not da umie 'olidays

Another exclusive FW heresy mini coming to GW stores

This time its a primus medicae

To the recast anon who wouldn't leave any obvious breadcrumbs as to who made his delicious recasts: I found who it is by using what you said here. I already had them in my "catalog" of casters. The details of your order, his lack of certaint units, and the price of order all checked out with other criteria when I put it together. Soon enough I'll get my time delicious cake. Thanks!

>>50592328
>>50592430
Thank you. Just sent and email with my order, just a riptide to test the waters. Hope this works!

>>50592589
Have you thought of joining the inquisition?

>>50592549
nurgle DP has ALWAYS been better for stealth legions (alpha legion, night lords), because shrouded can represent stealth tech, or superior sneaking

>>50592637
I already have/will. I play Grey Knights and am gonna pick up Imperial Agents.

>>50591106
I do this a lot. amused snickering is general the response
laughter stops when i pull out my 6 grav cents, and my skyhammer units

What are some of the coolest bits you've seen to represent power mauls? I want to make some snowflake cleric-like dudes with baller mauls.

>>50592721
FLANGED
L
A
N
G
E
D

is best mace

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>be me 20 minutes ago
>"Damn Raptors as troops ? Maybe i can finally sold my blood angels and go to the dark side"
>read CSM codex
>"WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT"

i finally understand why the chaos fag are whinning so much.

how do you fix them ?

>>50592721
Which faction? For CSMs use Cws from AoS. Deathwing also has some gorgeous maces.

>>50592664

Well the thing is that a Tzeentch DP gets the Artificer armor with +1 Stealth, so you have a flying 2+/2++ Jink rerollable save.

However, the Nurgle DP doesn't need the armor, so he can take something like the Talons of Night Terror for extra shredding attacks that still get to be AP2 cause MC and he has acess toa much better discipline.

>>50592741

Fix what? Raptors? Troop raptors are great, imho.

My brother is interested in the game and I've been thinking of making 2 500 point lists, one with Skitarii and one with Space Marines, based on the Start Collecting! boxes to give him a first impression, since I already have the models for those. Are those two formations somewhat equally strong or is one far better than the other?

Also, if he's using the Marines, what hapter should I let him use? I doubt giving him Black Templars like the models are painted as will do much good.

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>>50590927
I recognize that box and resin
you my nigga

>>50592741
I've just looked at their BA and CSM entries and they don't really look much different. They are the same except for the fact that the BA have furious charge and combat squad while CSM have all the various chaotic upgrades

Or are you talking about the CSM codex as a whole?

>>50592685
>yfw he fields huge squads of respawning by the infiltrating Guardsmen looking cultists.

>yfw you kill one squad and two take it's place

>>50592803
CFO what are you doing out of your cage!

>>50592811
furious charge is quite a deal for assault units.
I was indeed refering precisely at all the other unit that will support them.

>>50592741

Just hold on, when the SM new dex hits their assault marines will be cheaper, better options, able to assault from reserves without penalty and land with pin point accuracy.

>>50590859
Who works as a better HQ for a mixed Chaos marine/ daemon army?

Great Unclean One or Typhus?

>>50592847

Do you want zombies, yes or no?

>>50592832
mark of khorne + icon of wrath will give them furious charge. and more attacks, and the ability to reroll charge distance

>215 points for 10 dudes with this setup

idk how much blood angel assault marines cost for comparison tho

When are we getting the formations from the holiday boxes? AoS already had theirs revealed.

>>50592832
It sure is a deal, but it's not really something so big you would expect that kind of reaction
But if you were talking about the other units than it's fine

>>50592866
The Assault marines cost the same as an unupgraded Raptor so the unit is 10 points less because they aren't forced to buy the sergeant

>>50592829
procrastinating studying and shitposting, all at once

>>50591359
Where do you build your lists?

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How is my list?

>>50592887

So procrastinating and shitposting all at once?

(Same)

>>50591098
Its got the litany xenomortis on there.

>>50592902

http://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>50592902
It's in the OP.

>>50592902
In hell

>>50592903
I like it. I'd drop the upgrades on the chimera and the master of ordnance for an astropath/officer of the fleet. If you're running the infantry platoons as blobs I'd swas the commissar from the PCS into there as well for easier orders and effective fearlessness

>>50592741
Make them fearless t5 with fnp

>>50592922
stop recommending this shitty website holy shit

>>50591401
>Dont be jelly anon. I did my research to get the recaster details
>being jealous of recast plastic Sternguard

Are you retarded? I wouldn't put those models in my army even if you paid me. And your "research" is shit if you talk about physical GW stores. Who the fuck actually buys kits from GW direct?

>>50592958
What's wrong with it?

>>50592958
Shut the fuck up, he asked and people generally like it.

>>50592964
Nothing.

Would 10 WE berzerkers/CSM inna Land Raider be more effective/fast than the Blood Mad 2d6 free move for the purpose of getting into combat?

I just don't really trust the fucking thing. It's too random, I have terrible rolls.

>>50592973
Nah, just field more CSM for the price of the LR. Someone is getting into combat.

>>50592947
>dropping master of ordnance for officer of the fleet when nothing in the army deep strikes

the fuck?

A commissar is attached to each platoon, Battlescribe just drops them into the platoon command squads.

>>50592963
>Who the fuck actually buys kits from GW direct?
I do, occasionally. It's nice having a local-ish GW for the odd exclusive, and having been a retail shirt in the past I know how retarded their targets can be.

Every now and then I'll pick up a box or two and some paints in an off season.

>>50592963
Me. Never bought anywhere else. Fuck y'all.

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>>50592080
>>50592103

Ohhh yesssss

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>>50593039
Rate my list fa/tg/us!

>>50593048
Honestly, DG get relentless, and are really tough.

You can skip the Rhinos, if you want, get something else.

>>50593052
Objective secured rhinos are lame if they aren't free I guess.

That gives me 140 points, I could get a termiside unit

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>>50593052
For example

>>50592964

It doesn't hold your hand, that is a no go for a lot of people.

>>50592955
Nurgle raptors are pretty sweet yeah.

>>50593070
>>50593088

Sounds good to me, DG termies are fearless, FNP, relentless T5. Should have VotLW though, but those are free so just assume they're there.

>>50592964
Bloat.

>>50592955
So DG raptors?

>>50592989
B-But I don't want to buy more models

So if all shots at a flyer without skyfire are snap shots, is there any reason to not move at cruising speed/jink if you intend your next shot to be at a flyer?

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>>50593107
Yea that online list maker is not great

>>50591237
I just got my volkite and bits for destroyers to go on my prospero marines. I think we use the same guy, He's always awesome.

>>50593116
If you're a flier yourself.

>>50593116
If you have a skyfire weapon?

help a brother out guys
i want to start a deathwatch force
they seem cool and the veteran sculpts are awesome
but im concerned about viability
are they viable alone? is the BSSF worth it?
give me your thoughts

>"The war is over, Diocletian. Win or lose, Horus has damned us all. Mankind will share in his ignorance until the last man or woman draws the species' last breath. The warp will forever be a cancer in the heart of all humans. The Imperium may last a hundred years, or a thousand, or ten thousand. But it will fall, Diocletian. It will fall. The shining path is lost to us. Now we rage against the dying of the light." - The Emperor

>"The war is over. Humanity has lost. Warhammer 40k - in all its Gothic, towering, Cylopean, decrepit, doomed, rotting Byzantine majesty - has taken its first irrevocable step."
- ADB, BL Author

>imagine bothering to play as ANY faction other than Chaos

Why are you even bothering?

>>50593168
You will definitely struggle, but I think it can be done.

>>50593168
They arent T1 and they won't win an objective holding game.
But you can expect to get first blood, linebreaker, slay the warlord and be able to devapitate dangerous units reliably.

>>50593135
>>50593162
Thanks anons

>>50592964
It allows you to make an illegal list, and doesn't have the goddamn courtesy to tell you your list isn't kosher. Normally I wouldn't care what people use on their own time, but that program allows people to make these fucked up lists and they are none the wiser unless somebody tells them.

>>50593180
because I don't give a fuck about what ADB thinks

>>50593185

so if i wanted to balance them out a bit i should ally them with some generic marines or guard or something, to focus on objectives? or inquisition maybe?

>>50593193
>t-t-that canon published by a GW subsidiary doesn't c-c-ount!

Great Porky Pig impression, anon.

>First Stage of Grief: Denial

>>50593195
Guard provide cheap bodies for holding your own objectives.

Inquisition are solid as alllies for them but are also an elite army.

You could take Marine scouts with camo cloaks and park them on objectives for a

>>50593188
That's fair enough, and I wouldn't tell new players to use it.

I just find it a nice little way to record lists that's easier to tweak than pencil and paper, and keeps a running points total.

>>50593195
>>50593218
Decent lockdown, maybe wven stick them land speeder storms for rapid deployment and blind bomb harrasment.

Use ultramarine tactics so you can get superscout telion, or raptors for sniper duty.

What did he say to the Lion, /tg/?

>>50593227
thanks. huge help. ill look into these options

>>50593238
Take the ____Tsons suck

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>>50593238
What did he say?
This time with picture!

>>50593206
There is no canon.

Not even the codexes. It's all pick and choose.

>>50593246
"Kill youself emo poser, Goth or nothing"

Is mixing plasma guns and melta guns in a unit...basically OK?

I mean, they're largely going be fired at the same targets.

>>50593271
Yeah but range. Just pick one.

>>50593271
If you really can't afford to have seperate melta and plasma units, you'll probably be alright with a mixed unit.

>still no plastic power armour generic sorceror

>>50593271
You want to fire plasma at av 12+ Vehicles?

>>50593285
>still no plastic Dark Apostle
>still no actually good chaos cultists

>>50591058
I pretty much agree with you completely. My thoughts were to put a Disc Sorc/ExSorc with a unit of 5 spawn, give him the Seer's Bane and make him go postal in CC. You have quality hits, quantity of hits and 15 T5 wounds to chew through until you even get to the leader.

An alternative that I thought of is using the Astral Grimoire on rubrics or the Terminators. Coupled with the flamers, 12" movement and 8" templates means no matter where you are, a point-blank flamethrower up your hoo-hah is never far away.

I'm trying to find some ways or builds I can use for Tzaangors but I like the casters too much to drop one.

>>50593307
>1995 buggy/wartrakk/metal deffkopta

>>50593255
Nice meme.

>>50593307

Those are both fairly new units, though. I would have thought a plastic power armour lord/sorceror kit would have been in or around the first wave of plastic characters.

>yfw you'll never get the Terminator Chaplain LE model

FUCK YOU GW.

>>50593319
GW don't give a shit about new models being removed for newer ones. They removed most of the High Elf line when they were like the 3rd newest faction in 8th.

>>50593316
Metal is better than Finecast though.

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>>50593180
No. The Guard will always fight on. We will always hold that line. Even if every hive world becomes as hellish as Krieg. We will never quit, never stop, never admit defeat.

Chaos is the faction of betrayers, liars, and slaves to alien gods. Anyone who follows chaos is easily fooled.

>humanity is currently evolving into a psycher race, it's even in the new fluff

>>50593319
I can't even get special weapons for cultists outside of the DV box.

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>no longer available
huh, maybe I missed something, but what the hell is going on with the SoB's exactly?

>>50592770
Jink is only a 4++, so with stelth its only a 3++ re-rolling ones, which, i think, is worse than a 2++. the main bonus is vs small arms, with the 2+ re-rollable armour save. personally, i like the +d3/D6 attacks myself

>>50593340
And ADB ends up going "lol the story is about how humanity is fighting against the dying of the light and how retarded they are for sacrificing their future for the now"

then taps it off with

"oh btw i love mysteries, that's why I out right declared who wins the setting despite the whole point was anybody could. I know this will upset lots of you lol :^) Sorry, I'm a Chaos fanboy :^)"

>>50593356
They're being released in plastic

That or being squatted

>>50593356

They are finally being squatted.

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>>50593354
For models on flying stands i have to disagree

>>50593356

Plastic sisters coming Feb.

>>50593356
Nothing happened the last 5 times this happened this year alone.

>>50593356
NEW PLASTIC SISTERS

Plastic at last, plastic at last, Thank Emperor almighty we are plastic at last.

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>>50593362
>>50593364
Nice meme. That's why they have this new model, right?

>>50593356
We knew from some months ago they're being updated. Their display in Warhammer World was removed and a note saying they're being 'tended too' in the paint studio.

Update is apparently February.

>>50593260
Hahahah.
Totally this.

>>50593359
1-jink 4++
2-armor +1 to cover saves
3-stealth +1 to cover saves
4-???
5-Profit

>>50593377
See >>50593383

>>50593395
Are you the Pharoah?

>>50593395
Unless the link is to released plastic sisters I'll pass.

>>50593398
I am the King of Games.

>>50593392
a 1 is always a failure

>>50593401
It literally has a picture of one of the new models, what the fuck you on about you utter melt?

Oh. Wait. Shitposter. Got it. Carry on. (You).

>>50593398
No, >>50593377 he is, because he's in de Nile!

>>50593383

Its a going away present.

>>50593383
"Limited edition Nostalgia miniature, get your piece of history before we go all 1984 on their shit"

>>50593359

Yea, I agree. Toss in a Combat Familiar, and you have a blender of a model that shouldn't have a problem getting the damage done.

I also like the idea of using the armor on a Sorcerer with a Lord and max raptors and buffing the unit. Shit like Pyromancy can give the unit a 3+ cover out in the open. Combine that with the Nurgle Prince who can give them +1S/T, and you have a hell of a unit.

>>50593411
>>50593414
Nice meme. 10/10 I like it! UPVOTED.

>>50593414
>limited edition
>for sale on the GW site indefinitely

Wew lad

>>50593404
thats really nice but you need to work on your maths, he didn't make it a 1+

>>50593414
>he believed the shitposting about it being a LE mini

You're not very smart, are you?

>>50593206
>y-y-y-y-you don't like my trash sci fi s-s-s-s-stories? y-y-ou're just in d-denial!
I guess I've been in "denial" about the true majesty of black library for the past twelve years.

>>50593409
That is a new battle sister from the plastic boxed set?

Silly me I though it was a comemorative model based on Blanche's concept art.

>>50593404

And Tzeentch daemons reroll 1s on saves, which means you have a 2+/2++ rerollable save.

>>50593421
s-sorry

New player and I was wondering if I can have 2 detachments for 1 army (and can they both be CAD). I am building my list and I need it battle forged.

>>50593431
>tfw they will never release a Flash Gitz supplement that turns Orks into a shooty army

>>50593424
Yes, the quotation marks meant it was a sincere post.

>>50593427
It's OK anon. You'll be able to buy your shitty meme army in February. Say goodbye to your hipster cred thou!

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>>50593431

soon

>>50593431
July next year.

>>50593440
Gitz arent a Klan.

>>50593442
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

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Codex: Ork Klanz wen?

>>50593437
You can use any combination of detachments so long as you have the minimum requirements and don't go over whatever point limit you're playing for.

>>50593450
If it has to be Klans then replace Flash Gitz with Bad Moons

>people still deny SoB getting updated
>The leaker tripfag on here said yes
>d-d-oesn't count despite him being 99% right every time
>Lady Antia said yes
>d-d-oesn't count despite him/her being 9(% right every time
>SoB model being released just like the Limited Edition Captains got released prior to 7th Edition update for Space Marines
>d-d-oesn't count

WEW.

>>50593404
Do you even math? Also 2++ re-rollable with DoT

>>50593466
>SoB model got released, just like the rumour saying new plastics said.

>>50593456
Hence the quotation marks.
4chan has yet to accept the interrobang as the insicerity punctuation.

>>50593437
as long as its battleforged and you dont go over the points limit, you can have 30 million detatchments with every army if you wanted to

Tournaments generally restrict you to 2 or 3 detatchments

>>50591710
>>50591742
>>50591986
This is a good start, thanks anons. I'm looking for a recaster that does high quality orders for individual things like Knights and Doritos.

>>50593466
Not denying it just sick of daily "X IS OUT OF STOCK NEW CODEX CONFIRM?!+?+?!?!?!?!?"

>>50593461
Ok
Thanks for clearing that up

>>50593484
I haven't seen one of those in a while. Daily is an ecsajeration.

>>50592148
>possessed
Heavily augmented marines with daemon-powered bionics

>>50592148
They get fortifications.
Not even IF does that

>>50592148
>FW units can't be taken in a decurion
>no re-rolling scatter for Conversion Beamer Rapiers
>R&H allies won't get the re-rolls either despite being an obvious choice for tactical synergy

>>50593564
This is actually really good, in retrospect. Only thing is the Warlord trait +1 to cover can't be applied to fortifications

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Rate for casual games at store.

Actual points limit is 2017, so will be running it with melta bombs on both tactical sergeants and the sergeant of the melta sternguard, but people expect 2000 points so here's a more general use version.

>>50593633
>Actual points limit is 2017

Wut

>>50593629
But ther are fearless when homding them

>>50593638
Don't, its bait from last thread.

>>50593638
it's the CURRENT YEAR

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>>50593414
No one will fall for it m8.

>>50593638
His store sets points limits as the year as a cute little gimmick.

>>50593638
I know, my army is 2,018 points

>>50593638
Genuinely don't care if you believe me, but the store does an escalation to the number of points of the current year. This year's was 2016, next year's will be 2017.

>>50591058
Biomancy Exalted W/Icon in any stupid Ksons formation for 2++r1's.
Run him screaming at Smashfucker
Screaming.

>>50593645
You are the 4th to reply.

>>50593649
Funny how it was 2009 yesterday then.

>>50590894
>unforgiven
>implying heresy is forgivable
>implying anyone knows about, so it just draws attention to it

Fucking dangles, I swear sometimes as incompetent as the thousand sons

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>>50593414
It's not limited anymore:
facebook com/1575682476085719/photos/pb.1575682476085719.-2207520000.1481197232./1735171233470175/?type=3&theater

>>50593698

>In stores while supplies last

>>50593705
And? Did you stop reading there?

>>50593705

>The, available to order direct

>>50593721

>Then made to order

>>50593731
>she will be available to order direct from out online store for the foreseeable future
No? It's then a webstore exclusive like every other resin mini.

>>50593747

>forseeable future

>aka limited edition

>>50593766
This is bait. My bad.

How does this look for 1000 points of Night Lords? The sorcerer, Lord, and 15 Raptors start in a single squad on the table with the Cultists and Apostle hanging out Because the apostle can't take a fucking jump pack. The two 5 man squads of Raptors hang out in reserve to hopefully charge with the big squad when they arrive for the fear bonus.

Murder Talon - 1000

>Lord of the Legion
Sorcerer
ML3, Stormbolt Plate, Jump Pack, Force Axe

>Raptor Talon
Chaos Lord
Jump Pack, Claws of the Black Hunt

Raptors x15
Melta Gun x2

Raptors x5
Melta Gun x2

Raptors x5
Melta Gun x2

>Legion of the Damned

Dark Apostle
Viox Daemonicus

Cultists x10
Cultists x10

>>50593639
Problem is the Chaos Warband is a real tax for IW, because units like Bikers don't get any real buffs to keep them alive and you can't give them Marks. Parking Fearless units in fortifications is good and all but that means you can't go to ground and you're going to have to send dudes out to complete objectives. Stubborn is great though, show the smug loyalists what you think of their ATSKNF

>>50593671
>>50593649
>>50593644
>>50593642
>>50593638

Honestly wish I was baiting, that way I'd actually have had my desired outcome.

Any one know where I can find scans of the painting guides (in particular the one for the Harlequins)? I tried looking in the mega.nz links but couldn't find them anywhere.

>>50593834
Try the copypasta in the wip thread op >>50591834

>>50593834
Its either there or on dodgy russian sites.
Used to be on kickass torrents but it's dead and rotting now.

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Why orks are so awesome yet so frustratingly bad?

Is it fair to roll one spell for each psyker, then another "row" to see which disciplines you need? Would that be fair?

I have 5 ML3 psykers in my army, can I roll their first spell one by one, see their rolls, then choose the next spell for each and continue on from there? Or do I have to roll all 3 spells for a psyker before I move to the next?

>>50593873
Because Orkfags are insufferable pricks. Crunch is only worth helping xenos and Imperialfags, while fluff will fellate the Chaosfags.

So my guess is Orks are hated so much that both their fluff and crunch are bad.

>>50593873
Because they gave responsibility for the Codex to unpaid interns who had no idea what they were doing.

>>50593874

Wew lad

>>50593873
Shitty book

>>50593874
You have to roll all powers (Not spells) for a psyker at the same time, declaring how many dice you will put into each discipline.

>>50593874
One psyker at a time in an order you choose, just as the rulebook says.

>>50593889
Is that a "do whatever" cause I can really gain a good advantage if I roll one for each at a time instead of all 3 at a time.

As a TS player, I feel I should be allowed this advantage.

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>>50591182
>Not Z or CCON
>Over 80 recasters left to explore
>Still in bag
>Flawless
Trying to be a snob with recaster is sad


The only reason I keep the recaster information private is because my fellow countrymen are rather retarded.

I gather up a big group in Facebook and then make a big order to different recasters. Mostly to avoid our retarded import fees.

US$100?! No it's just $60 the rest is shipping. $100! That must pay Tax! Hand over $30!
We have Free commerce treaty and still have to deal with the retarded import fee and shipping