Horus Heresy General /hhg/

*tumbleweeds*

First for Emperor's Children.

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Well, an effort was made.

Sasuga, namefag.

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>>50259922
>mfw BA release
Guys, any ideas on Papa Sang's stats?

>>50260097
I have not commented on your choice to use a trip but I do have this to say.

This is fucking 4chan. And no one could pay me to use a trip here. Why would anyone want to be recognized here. I post in a different smaller group on this site and because of the nature of it I am recognized. And I fucking hate it. Mark my words. Your models will become attached to that name and you will be posting as a anon and someone will say hay it's the angry white fuck. And you will fucking hate it.

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>>50261886
Let it go, son. Let it go. He'll find out the truth to using a name. He is undeserving of it this is true, and he'll never deserve it like Duke.

2+ is better than a 3+ that rerolls 1s

>>50261949
How so?

>>50259922
Anyone got epub/mobi for the Russ novel or the audio for Children of Sicarus?
Cheers anons

>>50261883
We got some fan rules in the /WIP channel of our discord
>>50261886
The dude is a troll, ignore him or post in the traitor channel

>>50261981
Probability and ap3

>>50261981
Because it's actually in the game, and not some garbage houserule save from some anon's headcanon for how TDA should work.

>>50261920
>113
kek I miss chapter master.

Other thread isn't dead, what's going on

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Shit /hhg/ has to put up with

>>50264153
You could also base with leadbelcher, heavily highlight with runefang, and then do the colored washes. The more exposed leadbelcher, the less devlan mud you'll need.

>>50264480
I like it. I don't see them going full traitor, but turning nihilistic and turning on everybody? Sure. Especially because many loyalists wouldn't trust them and the WS might not know who's on which side.

>>50264680
There were some in Flight of the Eistenstein, I think, alongside the Death Guard when they boarded a xenos ship as part of a genocial campaign. Once the Heresy starts I think you'd see them sent to help Astartes whenever their opponents included a famed psyker, Zone Mortalis or not.

>>50265011
Our new tripfag upset a bunch of people in the thread before that one then started the new thread to rub it in.
Someone started this one a bit later because a community showing splits because of a bad tripfag always happens.
tripfag acted smug about how this thread had less replies (presumably thinking because he was liked better than breadanon or something and not because it was the first one) so anons started using it and now we have two active theards

>tl; dr - tripfags are pure cancer

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>mfw yesterday I finally hit the scheme I want for my AL
>mfw a friend messaged me with talk of a group interested in playing heresy
>mfw me and younger brother started working on my Rhino and his Vindicator today
The Heresy train is on!

FINALLY finished reading Retribution. Holy shit was it good. Except for the Nemean Reaver bit, even though his crunch looks bad as hell and I really want to convert and add him to the collection.

Finally getting rid of my Custodes, going to trade them for another 10 marines.

Only problem is I have no idea what to do with another 10 marines lol.

>>50267595
Veteran squad for another legion. Make some cool display dudes, anon.

>>50268029
But I have no room to put them on display

>>50267595
Honour guard with special weapons, ALL chainaxes, deathreapers, solarite power gauntlets, servo arms, power daggers, Phoenix spears or mongol glaives

>>50268300
Make room. Or sell them, idk. Find some guy who wants to commision a veteran squad

Now that Battlescribe is a total piece of shit, anyone have any alternative army builders that they like?

>>50268628
PDF's, comprehensive reading, and pen and paper. Never bugged on me so far.

>>50268676
Thanks for the non-answer.

>>50268728
Anytime pal, happy to help

>>50268676
For someone smugly mentioning comprehensive reading, you should probably read the question next time.

>>50268628
Quartermaster is ok, the interface gets some getting used to compared to battlescribe.

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>>50268764
>Books, pen, and paper
>not an alternative army builder

Come on now, son.

>>50268921
Millenials cannot into analog technology

>>50269193
The sad thing is that this is actually true. One time I was in a GW store, picking up a HH novel and there was this 8 year old kid watching the demo table intensely. The store manager walked over to him and tried to do his hobby introduction, but the kid kept asking "But how do you switch it on ?"
He couldn't grasp the concept of a game where you had to do more than push buttons or touch a sccreen.

Humanity is fucking doomed

>>50261883

He's probably going to be able to beat the current Horus. Hopefully.

why exactly do we have 2 HHG up at the same time?

>>50269736
Because namefags are cancer and AWG is the worst kind of namefag.

>>50269755
Dubs of truth

>>50269417
How did he switch what on?

>>50269736
I'm actually kind of liking it. All the sheeple, shitposters and a certain cancerous nametripfag have their own bread to perform their heresy, and whilst this bread is rather slow going it's a lot better experience.

Ravenguard rock the deep strike, everyone knows, but what do you do when facing someone else who does it too?

>>50269997
many augury scanner heavy support squads

>>50269997
Cut the SoH and Fists some slack, man.
>>50270010
(You) can only have so many heavy support squads, anon. What against arriving termies? They'll just tank the shots. Maybe lots of Kheres Contemptor Mortis Dreads?

>>50270034
deredeo dreads with plasma cannonade will deal with most termies

>>50270043
Nope. I already thought of this, but turns out Deredeos gain both Interceptor and Skyfire, which would force them to snapfire against incoming ground troops.
But I think Mechanicus can deal with deepstrikers just fine.

Can you take Assassins in 30k?

How did you fine fellows choose your legion? A friend an I have been debating since BaC came out and we've only just begun narrowing it down.
Is it the fluff that drew you in? Color scheme? Crunch? I'm curious as to how my fellow anon got around to forming their decisions.

>>50270070
oh, thats right, i hate that rule
yeah, mechanicus can handle deepstrikers fine

>>50270070
Get the new blood generator Fortification and plasma cannon heavy support squad with an Augury scanner. 10 S7 AP2 Large Blasts should deal with stuff just fine.

>>50269997
Plasma/Caliver support squads with augery apothecary.

Corax.

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>>50270143
>Get the new blood generator Fortification
The what, mate?

>>50270121
When I was a kid it was colour (Blood Angels)
When I became an edgy teenager it was fluff (Chaos Thousand Sons)
Now I am a manchild adult I can have both (Heresy Thousand Sons)

>>50270180
the haemotrope reactors, you can overcharge plasma weapons with them similarly to promethium pipelines, they can also explode like them, but worse

>>50270103
No(t yet. Talons of the Emperor might change that ?)

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>>50270180

>>50270282
I want to think this is the canonical version of the Dwarf fortesss blood-building pic I just posted

>>50269997
You could try using Alvarex Maun, doesn't he prevent enemy units from deepstriking within a certain range of him?

>>50270121

All theme, you can change the color scheme more than the feel of a Legion.

I really liked the tactical nature of the Alpha Legion and Alpharius himself is an interesting character.

I wasn't a fan of the shiny color scheme as I thought it was really out of character, so I went with a variant scheme with a much darker blue.

>>50270874
The glut of shiny metallic colours in general seem real tacky to me. Can't say I'm fond of the trend.

>>50270121

I bought an Epic Imperial Guard army off a friend 25 years ago, can't look at any army since.

Go Militia/SolarAux, I guess?

>>50269417
>tfw we live in an age where the most popular phones have more power than the Pentagon did in the 80's.
>we have the power to learn anything using them
>lolcats and other memes instead
Sadness.

>>50271104
Necessity is the mother of invention, anon. You need nothing and you'll develop nothing.

>>50270103
Knight Errants kinda fit that role if you're a loyalist.

>>50270121
>IWs
I love sieges, trenches and being breakers of worlds. Also I can relate to Perturabo.
Yeah...I've got some issues :/
>DG
Being able to withstand everything life may throw at you, and trenches and being destroyers. And I can relate to Mortarion. Yup, I told you I've got issues.

>>50271331
wat. how is a suicide bomb murderer like the auto-draw if he dies errant?

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>>50271626
Nah, he probably meant it as an Operator McOperatorpants character. You can have a psychic Techmarine with a Jump pack and a sniper rifle teleporting into the fray. Stuff like that.

>>50271841
Why can't Praetors have Paragon Bolters?

>>50271948
These guys are Malcador's get, and their everything is Master-Crafted. Also, because nobody thought of a Paragon Bolter back in HH1. I mean look at its profile, it's even better than Dorn's.

Am I going to get my shit pushed in at 3000 points with this list? (Probably shoulda asked that before buying all of it.) I'm not looking to win every game but mostly wondering if it's worth showing up. Sigismund and Mr. Chaplain pair up with an Apothecary and attach to two of the Tac Squads to walk up the field. Hopefully between the Fearless and FnP they can make it.

Sigismund
Chaplain

2x Apothecary
1x Contemptor-Cortus (DCCW + Multi-melta)
1x Contemptor-Mortis (Ass cannons)
2x Laser Destroyer Rapiers

3x 20-man Tactical Squads (Sarge w/ AA, Melta bombs, Power fist; Nuncio-vox; Vexilla)
2x 5-man Terminator Squads (Teleportation transponders, 1x Plasma blaster, 2x Combi-plasma, 1 Chainfist, 3 Power fists)

Sicaran (Lascannon sponsons, AC, Dozer blade)
Whirlwind Scorpius (Dozer blade)
Leviathan (Drop pod, Grav-flux Bombard, Siege Drill, 2x TL Volkite Caliver, AC, Phosphex Discharger)

>>50272193
You better hug that cover, anon. Tactical Blobs, requiring about 5 shots to reliably kill an enemy marine and footslogging in "AP3+ Large Blast: The Game" are more display pieces than anything.
But I like the rest of the army, and blobs aren't that easy to kill.

>>50271626
Just take the Protector oath of moment and slap that shit on your delegatus who spends the whole game cruising your backline in a land raider proteus.

Does Horus really have to sit still to use his Orbital Bombardment? Not sure how you're supposed to use it meaningfully when I want him charging shit over and over.

>>50275069
Orbital barrages require you to be immobile? Uh-oh. I mean, it does say "unless engaged in combat or in reserve he can call down a bombardment". This means he can use it, right?

>>50275179
Well yea but the fact that it's ordnance gives me pause since if you move it would be snap shotting and you can't snap shot blasts. Or does the "Point of the Spear" ignore that?

New thread to end the Unification Wars
>>50275504

>>50269872
How did he turn the figures on so that they would move, he thought the models were controlled with radiowaves

>>50270121
Can I imagine myself as the primarch and making those decisions.
Can I do the colour scheme justice
Will people play me if I play this army
Can I have a fun game with this army against mid tier 30k

>>50275638
>linking to a new thread when this on has 76 posts
Leave that cancer out of here

>>50275638
Did you seriously just create a new thread when we've had split posts all day and this one isn't anywhere near dead?
Right after a tripfag and a namefag appeared in it and started blowing each other off and being confrontational to anons?
Nigga pls.

Are titans good in Kill Teams?

>>50276630
I like to take a Warlord Titan in my kill team Games, it's slightly Above The points, but who cares, it's just a casual Game Mode right?

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>>50270874
>>50270936
How about this?
Obviously still very much WIP, I still have to fold thousands of layers of paint on there.

>>50277136
ave dominus nox/10

you can become our new KA, and we can all start memeing about how you're waiting for lightning transfers.
it looks ok but should probably be a itty bit more greener

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>>50277302
What would you suggest?
Moving Sotek Green over Kantor Blue and adding some green on top of the lightest parts?
Might look to edgy.
I'm going for pic related.

>>50270121
For me it was about identifying with the Primarch and the spirit of the Legion. I chose the Imperial Fists because of their unwavering loyalty and how Dorn, Sigismund, and Alex's Poles were portrayed in Nemesis and The Crimson Fist.

>>50270282
I have to say that as an Imperial Fist (who wants to take some sweet fortifications anyway) that's pretty tempting. I could grab a Plasma Cannon Heavy Support Squad and dish out Tank Hunter, Large Blasts like candy. It's pretty cheap too at 2 for 40 points.

>>50270121
I play salamanders in both 30k and 40k. I chose them solely for fluff (especially for the endurance and unyielding theme going with them) and because I have a thing for fire

>>50277541
Please don't bring that cancer into 30k. It doesn't need it.

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>>50278032
Speaking of, what's the deal with fortifications and 30k anyways? Is there a flat rule that allows me to import any fortifications from 40k? I want to use the Wall of Martyrs bunker, but can't find the rules page that allows/disallows it.

>>50276300
>>50276361
No, I didn't create it. But it does exist and I thought it would be a chance to embrace unification. Stop this schism. Lets make /HHG/ Undivided great again!

>>50279260
Then don't promote uneccessary threads born out of drama when a chill one already exists.

>>50279446
The drama is long gone, but this one was born out of stubborness. Think of the Emperor Scananon, he would not want this division of the HHGerium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZegQYgygdw

I love that this thread contained all of the cancer from last thread and left the new thread productive

>>50279824
You shouldn't love it. On the contrary, it's sad that someone as meaningless managed to divide us, and if (You) really loved this general you'd be sad too instead of revelling on its hardships.
Quite a shitty attitude you've got, pal.

>>50279588
either stop being a faggot or get better at it, this halfway thing you're doing is shameful

>>50279879
Duh, if I knew how to do it I'd have done it already. I'm not the Emperor for a reason. Any ideas?

How do I go about convincing the guy with the sweetest pad (dedicated Games room with A/V set up - table / terrain (with atmospheric game lighting and the like) to take up the HH, he plays 40k and other games.

He said at a glance it just seems like endless Marines vs Marines and how can that be fun?

I'm a bit inarticulate and I can't really emphasize it's plus sides over say 40k, purely for selfish reasons mind you as we want to be able to play at his place.

>>50279974
Show him Mechanicum and Solar Auxillia. If he isn't into that you are out of luck.

>>50279974
Firstly, I guess it's worth asking what army he plays in 40k. If he plays tau or eldar, then there may be no hope.

>>50279974

The fact that it (usually) is Marines vs Marines means it's it vastly more balanced than the crapfest that is regular 40k right now, with its grey legions of Eldar/Tau spamming.

Though desu the Marine vs. Marine analogy is a bit oversimplified. The different Legions can play very differently from one another if you stick to their themes, but you can also just as easily make something unique with them.

Not to mention that doesn't take into the account the surprisingly popular Mechanicum, as well as the Solar Auxilia and Imperial Militia (though the latter is so underdeveloped it's barely playable for anything except fluff reasons).

>>50278586
those forts rule are the only fort rules in existence.

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What expression is he trying to convey?

>>50280337
He wants dem daemonettes to suck his big,throbbing sonic blaster.

>>50280337
>You will never listen to the unabridged version of Maraviglia

>>50280337
Well he appears to be holding a sonic weapon and to be both surprised and delighted with it, I can only assume it's his birthday and rather than the crap you'd have bought yourself off Amazon months ago if you actually wanted it, someone actually managed to get him a surprise gift he'd never thought of but loves now that he has it.

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>>50280382
Why wake up in the morning, then.

>>50280382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNp-d4U6Itc

plug this on repeat to a very potent subwoofer system, take a few tabs of acid and enjoy

>>50280409
I wholeheartedly agree.

40kid from last night here, looking to go into Imperial Fists. How does this look for a starting list? I have things I can use to proxy all of it, and once the holidays are over and money frees up I'll start replacing it with the actual models.

++ Pride of the Legion! 3000/3000 ++

+ HQ+
Legion Praetor: 150
- Artificer Armour
- Iron Halo
- Paragon Blade
- Digital Lasers

Chaplain: 105
- Artificer Armour
- Refractor Field

+ Elites +

5 Templar Brethren: 450
- 5 Combat Shields
- Full Command
- Solarite Power Gauntlet
- Land Raider Phobos

+ Troops +

20 Tactical Marines: 255
- Full Command
- Artificer Armour

20 Tactical Marines: 255
- Full Command
- Artificer Armour

5 Support Marines: 210
- Plasma Guns
- Artificer Armour
- Rhino

10 Veteran Marines: 255
- 2 Meltaguns
- Rhino
- Artificer Armour
- Full Command

10 Veteran Marines: 255
- 2 Meltaguns
- Rhino
- Artificer Armour
- Full Command

6 Terminators: 370
- Deep Strike
- TH/SS

+ Heavy Support +

3 Vindicators: 435
- 3x Machine Spirit

Whirlwind Scorpius: 115

Whirlwind Scorpius: 115

>>50280337
>ah would sure be pleasurable if someone was to stick a speaker through your abdomen

>>50269417
My favorite thing is smug assholes who cant use current tech believing that it works both ways, as if theres some millenials out there desperately trying to text on their book.

>>50280617
What's "Full Command", nonce phone and vexilla?

>>50280719
Yeah. Musician (Nuncio Vox), Standard (Legio Vexilia) and Champion.

>>50280730
I love when I run into people using WHFB terminology in other games.

>>50280730
What the fuck is a champion in this setting? There is a difference between using terms that work from other games and being a retard who cant learn new terms. I seriously don't know what you mean. Did you attach an HQ to each of those squads?

>>50280853
Squad Sergeant. Yes, he's mandatory, but it was faster and easier to read than adding in two lines for the nuncio and vexilia for each squad, and I'd thought it would get the point across. It seems I was wrong.

>>50280873
It leaves wide, wide open what you're equipping your sergeant with, which is kind of important.

>>50280786
Yup.
>>50280853
No worries, he did explain..didnt he?

>>50280882
I can see that, yeah. The only ones who have more than their standard loadout and artificer armour are the templars, whose leader has a power gauntlet, and the terminators, whose leader also has the th/ss. Everyone else is stock + artificer.

>>50280907
not until after my post and he clarified because of my post. Plus, as >>50280882 pointed out, it is important to be clear as to what (if anything) your sergeant is outfitted with.

If you cause confusion with your list (which is literally step 1 to playing the game against someone) it will be all downhill from there. Just see how other people post their lists (the ones not getting yelled at for being bad at it) and copy the format/terms. Really not hard.

>>50280960
>and artificer armor

wtf man, are you serious? So you DID change their standard load out and did not put that in your list.

>>50280992
I figured that would be obvious with the 'artificer armour' listed throughout, since no one else can take it.

>>50281006
haha okay that was 100% me being retarded. You did put AA down and i somehow forgot in the span of 10 seconds. Sorry about that, however the other (less retarded) anons give good pointers

>>50269417
>8 year old kid
>millienial
Anon, how does it feel to be this fucking stupid? Does it hurt?

>>50281025
Point taken, and I'll do better next time. With that in mind, would you call it a good list to be going against Night Lords, Alpha Legion and Salamanders?

>>50281038
Nah, its a rly bad list man. There is no way to sugar coat this. The most glaring weakness that literally 1 flyer fucks your shit. at 3k points you have to plan for a little of everything.

Way too many troops imo. If you are using pride then ditch all the tac marines (seriously, why are you even bringing that right of war?) Any templates fuck your shit.

Kind of anything fucks your shit. Deepstriking termies just dont work in 30k, especially melee ones (srsly, why?).

Delete list, try again.

>>50280617
>>50281038
Maybe you could try to explain why you made that list? What are the goals for each part of it? Are you 100% new to 30k? (40k?) I want to help but we need to fix you/edemucate you, not your list.

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So I might be buying some Mechanicum models in the future, so I built a list based on what I'd probably end up getting (Or already have, in the case of the Knight.)

How bad is it? Note that I have next to no knowledge about the rules, what's good/not good, or whats "okay/sportsmanship-ful" to play/not play with. I just went with stuff that I think are cool.

>>50281652

>knight
>1500

Nigga don't do that.

>>50281652
Honestly its not that bad of a list at the points level. However, stop trying to make 1,500 point 30k lists, they don't work. 40k barely works at that level.

You are going to want to go for min of 2k to have any hope of making a well rounded list. You will show up and someone else will have brought a single model that you can't do anything about and then you lose. Or the same thing happens to your opponent.

>>50281716
As I said, I have no clue about what's considered fair or not. Are Knights okay at 2000-2500pts?

>>50281728
A local friend who plays 30k said they usually play around 2500pt games. I went for 1500 since that's how many models I'd buy off the bat. I'm primarily interested in building and painting, so the actual game will be on the side.

>>50281756
Knights are illegal in a 1500pt list as they are a LoW choice which you can only take at 2000pts or higher.

>>50281756

I'd be cool with one at 2500, but I'd want forewarning before playing against one at 1500.

I'd honestly just get more mechanicum. There are a lot of fun models that you can use without resorting to a knight. I have around 8000 points and I still don't have a single knight.

>>50281803
I think my plan is to slow-grow an army, focusing on having them painted before playing. I have two Knights that I've purchased earlier for display purposes, but I wouldn't mind putting them in a game either. Plus, Knights fighting alongside Mechanicum feels fluffy.

>>50281416
100% new. I'd heard that Imperial Fists were capital-B Bad and stayed away from it, because they were always my babies, but now it turns out 1) the person who told me that was fucktarded and 2) there are locals that play. I read the tactics page that everything in the OP links to, but without any actual book links (related, there's no actual book links anymore) I'm slightly flying blind.

> Praetor
Needed for Rite of War. Paragon Blade looks baller as fuck, Iron Halo is traditional, Artificer Armour is a nice thing to have everywhere, and Digital Lasers filled points.

> Chaplain
Goes with the Templar Brethren, and compensates for poor dice rolls,which I'm somewhat notorious for among the locals.

> Templar Brethren
This is the most iffy choice, I'll admit. I want to use /something/ purely Imperial Fists, though, and they looked rad. Plus, I can temporarily proxy them by taking Black Templars and painting them properly, since the BT Upgrade Kit has 4 power swords and a power fist.

> 2x 20 tacticals
Objective holders, with enough dudes to stay on an objectives, and bolters enough to threaten any infantry that wants to take it. The whole "You can only score with Troops" thins has me rattled, possibly more than it should be

> Supports

This is just me trying things out, honestly. I have 5 plasmagunners, I like plasmagunners, let's plasmagun.

>>50282019
> 2x 10 veterans

For pushing forward while the normal tacs hold the backfield. The meltaguns let me engage dreads, which are a concern given how many Calth boxes are floating around.

> Terminators
The sixth man and the deep strike were more points filling, but being able to slap down a squad of TH/SS terminators seems like something my opponent has to either avoid or deal with, and making them Troops makes the opponent have to deal with them

> Vindis
Fuck you, they're Vindicators. The day I have to justify POTMS Vindicators is the day I quit.

> Whirlwinds

I'd heard that they were The Thing To Take, so I went for them. s8 ap3 seems like it's pretty good in Space Marines: The Meta, even if everyone is likely running artificer armour to compensate. This is also why every squad in the army has a nuncio, is so that I can draw line of sight really easily.

>>50282038
Okay this is the post where you fall off, the first one was actually okay (you can justify everything in the first post).

>veterans
I still say these OR the tacticals. You are paying for killy bodies, while not being as killy as other options and not being as good as a meat shield as the cheaper options. Veterans are usually taken instead tacs. You are just loosing too much offensive power by dumping so many points on all these 3+ bodies.


>terminators
no. stop. If they are not in a transport then gtfo. This squad is literally useless, it just is. 100% bad. It wouldn't even have a decent turn of shooting before I blow it off the table.If you need termies then your options are something in a transport. That is it.

>vindis
ehh, thats fine. Not my choice but do you.

> Whirlwinds
These are only considered "the thing to take" because they are cheap as shit. You need to remove points by doing the above and then put shit in here that can actually hit hard and survive against the large number of threats that this list will not stop from getting to your artillery. More than 1 whirlwind at 3,000 points is just you wasting your slots.

Your list basically has the firepower of a 1,500-2,000 point list. As an Iron Warriors player I could probably table you with only my heavy support choices on the field.

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>>50282038
>>50282019
Yeah, I'd cut out the support squad, and maybe trim your tacticals down to 15 each to make room for some anti-air. I'd also change out the whirlwinds for some quad mortars, and think about trading one or two of the veteran squads for a heavy support missile launcher or lascannon squad in a bunker. IF heavy support marines aren't to be underestimated.

>>50282161
>>50282161

So what I'm seeing here is:
+ Removed +
- Terminators
- Support Squad
- 1 Whirlwind Scorpius

Points gained: 370+210+115=695

+ Added +

- 2 Mortis Dreadnought w/ 2 Twin-Linked Autocannons
- 1 Imperial Bunker w/ Ammo Dump and Void Shield
- 1 Heavy Support Squad with Lascannons

135+135+95+235=600

What to spend the other 95 points on? Sadly, I don't have any quad mortars.

Also, I'm surprised the terminators are such a no, even with storm shields. If nothing else, they seem like a fire magnet, which would be a good thing?

>>50282311
That bunker + lascannon squad is nasty but it is a looooot of points. Probably best to just put missiles on them and grab something like a Sicaran (either variant) to give more anti armor.

When looking at fire magnets you have to take into account their point cost. That squad will attract a lot of fire, yes, but it's loss would be a chunk of your army gone and I would just bolter spam them to death anyway, ignoring the shield.

After that it really doesnt matter how your outfit the rest of your army. 30k is much less WAAC/competative in most locations (maybe you meta is different tho).

>>50282393
Ah, unfortunately, as I said before, I'm currently getting into the game fresh, which means that in the short term anything I can't proxy with a 40k unit is out. My first planned purchase is actually jetbikes, plus maybe one of those box sets, but mostly jetbikes because a mobile bs5 heavy bolter squad sounds legit. Is a predator approximately the same size as the sicaran, for the short term?

>>50270121
Hard questions.

I really struggeled.

Colour Scheme wise I really like EC and Luna Wolves,story wise as well....

But I really like the clunkier armour marks, amazing heresy tech and tanks.

So with BoP put, like the casual I am, I went for Iron Hands.

They are pretty cool story wise, as Ferus and his guys dehumanise themselves even more than their bros to just get that fucking crusade done as fast as possible.

He has his morals in order and was one of the first if not the first to be found again and helped educate a lot of his brothers.

>>50270282
I love how it looks like, desu.

I need suggestions. I want to buy the IH immortals and/or MkIII squad, and given them a bunch of upgrades like volkites, combies and such, magnetized to swap them as needed.

However, these are old models and have the hands stuck to the arms and some have cybernetics, so cutting them and stickin the new ones is a no go. How would you do this? Should I buy regular MkIIIs with torso and pads? (Intended as a command squad)

Also, fuck phoneposting.

>>50259922
Does anyone know if any of the HH books have artwork of different Forge World or Mechanicum faction heraldry/colours schemes?

>>50270121
I chose my legion for their ideals and ideology (or rather, the ideology they're s parody of).

Since I was a kid, my parents yelled at me and beat me and forced my to train and learn everything and br beautiful and brave. When I got sick, I not only hade to take care of myself, they also bullied me and said that being sick is for the weak, and sick people are worthless people, useless people. I'm never sick nowadays. While other kids in my class got cash from their parents, mine told me they wouldn't love me unless I got all A+. All in all; my childhood could be summed up as: "If you're not Perfect, you're not worthy of being alive".

And it shaped me. It shaped me a lot. I always try to improve myself, always strive for perfection, always try to be the best. Sure, my childhood maybe wheren't that fun, but at least I was better than all the other kids at everything! Fuck those ugly, fat, stupid cunts! (And don't get me started on those fat acceptance fat-tards!)

So, I find lots in common with the most perfect legion; the Emperor's Children. That's why I love them.

>>50282660
Silly anon, you're a death guard through and through.

>>50270121
Salamanders.
I like green.

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>>50281840
do what I do at 2000 points, use a single knight but make sure it isn't one of the knights that will rape your opponent, use a knight that your opponent will feel bad for you...like your knight is part of the special olympics or something. meaning don't take a crusader, take a gallant. pic related is my knight swagismund. I stay strong for swagismund.

>>50282770
I don't think either Crusaders or Gallants are available in 30k. It's Errants, Paladins or a Cerastus Knight variant.

I'm so mad I'm going to tear my ears off /hhg/, where the fuck are the legiones astartes epubs

>>50282819
Nope, all variants are available as per the current questoris knights list.

>>50282819
you're reading an outdated book friend, the only thing crusaders can't take is the gatling cannon/battle cannon combo for some retarded reason. thanks forgeworld.

>>50282856
>>50282859
I was reading the Mechaicum Taghmata book. I assumed it was current. Fucking 40k/30k.

question: if I take a imperial knight as a LoW for a salamander detachement using the covenant of fire RoW, does that mean the knight gain a 5++ against meltagun and meltabombs ?

>>50280617
You don't need to run PotL as you would have 4 elites without it which is fine in AoD games, so look at the RoW and reply with which ones you like the look of.

>>50282947
Battlescribe disagrees with you, but Battlescribe is tending to lie. Does anyone have an actual link to all the books? All the Megas in the OP just have the story, not the mechanics books.

I really like Primarch's Chosen, but there's no Dorn model even if I wanted one, so that's out. An anon in a prior thread made a very compelling case for big D himself. Other than that, there's no real RoW that grabs me - they all seem built around making a squad I'm not that interested in better. Assault marines, jetbikes, predators, drop pods...I was considering going Orbital Assault on principle, but I wanted to start with at least my heavy stuff on the ground, especially if I can't take vehicles.

>>50282916
I thought only the LOWs in the LA-AOD-AL (falchions, glaives, thunderhawks, etc.) plus explicit extras from other books (mainly primarchs) could be taken "within" the marines' detachment, and that knights were a separate detachment allied onto the side. Have I got that wrong?

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>>50270121
Aesthetics and colour scheme played a huge role, plus I loved their simple, brutal, straightforward method of warfare.

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>>50283045

>>50283058
you can take LoW from the questoris knight (you don't get access to the knight ranks though) and the solar auxilia

So I have an event early next year that I'm building a 3k list for. It's going to be a couple of very large games, probably 3-4 per side. I've decided to take my Night Lords along with a revamped list.

3k Terror Assault

Delegatus (chainglaive, refractor field, artificer armour, volkite charger, melta bombs) 115

9 man Terror Squad (9 volkite chargers, sarge with chainglaive, melts bombs and artificer armour) in a drop pod 290
10 man Terror Squad (10 volkite chargers, sarge with chainglaive, melta bombs and artificer armour) in a drop pod 310
10 man Terror Squad (10 volkite chargers, sarge with chainglaive, melta bombs and artificer armour) 275
10 man Terror Squad (10 volkite chargers, sarge with chainglaive, melta bombs and artificer armour) 275
10 man Terror Squad (10 volkite chargers, sarge with chainglaive, melta bombs and artificer armour) 275

10 man Veteran Squad (3 combi plasmas, 2 plasma guns, marksmen upgrade) in a drop pod 255

Javelin Speeder (2 hunter killer missiles) 65
Javelin Speeder (2 hunter killer missiles) 65
Lightning Fighter (6 kraken penetrators, ramjet diffraction grid, battle servitor control, ground tracking auguries) 285

Malcador Tank Squadron (2 Malcadors, both with battle cannon, demo cannon, lascannon sponsons, pintle multimelta, flare shield, armoured ceremite) 790

Whilst I'm building towards the event I'm also thinking to use this as a base list for the army.

>>50270121
play where you like fluff and color scheme most. You will spend many hours painting it and you want an interesting background and army motivation.
That is how I decided to play Dark Angels (traitors actually, mwahaha). Tactics and rules came later.

>>50283098
> 3 HQ slots
Well, hot damn. Also, what I'm seeing is 3 Centurions, since I don't particularly need a Praetor for what I want to do and there's no RoW that's really that impressive for me. Is there any way to get more Heavy Support slots while keeping in Imperial Fists?

>>50283206
Use the Onslaught FoC if you're not using a RoW, you always go second but you get 4 heavy support slots and only one mandatory troop choice.

>>50283238
Does that still have 3 HQs and a Fortification on offer?

>>50283193
Nice, traitor dangles.

I hope they get the fluffnthey deserve by FW , of course also rules.

I am still worrying about how to do that FW oil look on IH with simple tools.

I heard an anon talk about purple and yellow ink working for him, might give that a try.

>>50283321
You don't need inks, simply dilute paints.

>>50283346
Fug, I feel stupid now.

I do need some yellow though and msybe should use some metal primer so it has that black metallic look.

Thanks man.

>>50282916
anybody ?

>>50283360
Make sure you dilute *strongly*.
I use wet pallete, only started painting and I already got the hang on blending.

>>50283394
Im going to say no because it specifies "Salamander" vehicles as opposed to "vehicles in this detachment" and the Knight is not a Salamander vehicle.

Brand new to HH and looking for critique and advice

White scars 2000 points
RoW: chogorian brotherhood

HQ:
Preator, jetbike, iron halo, power glaive 195 pts

Primus Medicae, jetbike, refractor field 140 pts

Librarian, ML 2, jetbike, refractor field 170 pts


Troops:
Jetbike squad (x6), volkite culverin (x2) 260 pts

Jetbike squad (x6), volkite culverin (x2) 260 pts

Jetbike squad (x6), plasma cannon (x2) 270 pts


Fast Attack:
Xiphon, ground targetting array 215 pts

Xiphon, ground targetting array 215 pts


Heavy support:
Sicaran 135 pts

Sicaran 135 pts

>>50283508
plenty of fluff reasons as to why he could be considered as a salamander vehicle, but I guess you're right

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>>50283671
Then the question is "What is a Salamander unit?" which according to FW is pic related, now this is for UM but its not that outrageous to assume that the same logic applies for all legions.

>>50283825
I said fluff, not crunch. the knight won't get that sweet obsidian forged rule
however, following the definition of an ultramarine unit, a fellblade isn't considered as one ?

>>50283515
Tasty list my fellow white scar, little low on model count so you probably want to keep them moving and out of range of the big guns, which is exactly what the khan want's you to do

What's the libby rolling on? I'd recommend divination for the shooting bonuses, but I also feel like you could get some good shenanigans out of telepathy.

Also you have nearly £600 of jetbikes there, so good luck I guess.

What are some good HH (or even regular 40k) books that have cool warp scenes in them?

Just read the part of the first heretic where they see the visions and shut down the gellar field, and it was cool as fuck in an event horizon way.

>>50283515
Your points costs are wrong, check the new book. Consider swapping one jetbike crew to a regular bike command squad and using that as your melee deathstar, since they'll be much, much more competent at melee. Swap one Xiphon for a Kraken Lightning, or possibly swap a sicaran for a venator, since you have little anti-armour and sweaty deathstars in spartans is cancer, so leaving them on the other side of the board is the best way to deal with them

>>50284215
Which units are priced wrong and what book has the correct ones? I just used the legiones astartes books which are out of date I take it.

>>50284311
Legions astartes age of darkness army list, not LA:AOD Legions. Yes, FW has an awful way of naming things. Your Sicarans both went up thirty points, and i think some other stuff increased.

>>50283929
>however, following the definition of an ultramarine unit, a fellblade isn't considered as one ?
Not for the prposes of designating units for UMs to shit on. Meanwhile the Salamander RoW says that anything with an AV becmes Obsidian Forged.

>>50282846
epubs? We pdf here, son. Also, it's in the OP links, but still tear your ears off

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>>50282770
>>50282890
Pretend it's a Lancer? It's called "Gauntlet shield" after all. It'd be a shame Knightismund not to take to the field.
Also, double choppa on this one, double dakka on the other one, you sure like illegal loadouts huh. Being a Knight must feel nice. Well, mostly...

>>50283169
That's an expensive lightning.

How often are you able to get all 6 missiles off before it gets blown out of the air, anon?

>>50284708
No it isn't, actually. Only the first book is still there - the rest are all just the fiction series.

>>50284770
Which book you want again? Full name, please

>>50284770
Yeah nah open your eyes and actually read next time dumbass
https://www.docdroid.net/ZTK72gs/legiones-astartes-age-of-darkness-army-list.pdf.html#page=29

Or if you mean the HH series, they're everywhere

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>>50283071
>I loved their simple, brutal, straightforward method of warfare.
If it works then it ain't stupid.

>>50266234
>>mfw yesterday I finally hit the scheme I want for my AL
I want pics, anon

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>>50259922
How come glaives have better penetration capabilities than halberds?

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>Propose rule changes you think would make sense
Cortex Controllers allow the character to join units with the Cybernetica Cortex rule

>>50285052
Breacher (and correspondingly, Phalanx) squads no longer suck.

>>50285004
Because Glaives are tanks and halberds are axes.

>>50285082
But how?

>>50285159
Make Hardened Armour apply to invulnerable saves from Combat or Boarding Shields, not just armour saves. Hardened Armour's re-roll isn't worth a damn outside of ZM because most of the blasts that will hit your Breacher blobs are AP 3 or better so you don't even get your armour save. Really it's more a problem with the overabundance of AP 3 Large Blasts in HH now.

>>50285270
Hey, that's a good idea, but I think a rerollable 6++ isn't thaat much good.

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>>50285052
Make Banestrike ignore power armour on a 5+. Maybe, I haven't done the mathhammer for that one.

>>50285052
Flare Shield -or- Armoured Ceramite, not both.

Also Banestrike doesn't reduce the weapons range.

>>50285290
It's almost equal to a non-rerollable 5++. But I agree, the real solution would be to tackle the issue of AP 3 spam.

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What is everyone working on tonight?

Trying to figure out a way for a cool green glow effect on eyes, but I have two issues impeding my progress.
My hands keep shaking and my 3/0 brush was stored improperly since the last time I painted, messing up the tip.
The eyes look more shit than the rest of the model, but overall for the first time picking up a brush in two months I think I did alright.

>Inb4 shitstorm
Trip only goes on when posting pictures or scans
>scans?
I am working on the BoP painting guide in PDF.

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>>50285616
>I've seen things on Prospero. Things you wouldn't imagine
You thought you were the only one trying to work up a convergence?

>>50260097
Dude love your okcupid

If I want to know more about Mortarion and the Death Guard, besides reading Daemonology and HH1 & HH4, what other books should I read?

>>50285706
Scars.

>>50285746
Thanks anon

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Clear out your name field, smegstain

>>50284881
It's kind of a shame that strategy only works when you've already established strategic superiority. That kind of thinking gets you and your force annihilated the instant shit goes south.

For what it's worth, I still love the crazy bastards to death.

>>50285771
Sorry, I was being a little facetious. Mortarion has a brief cameo and a cool fight. The book is like 95% about the White Scars.

>>50285923
It only helps they were able to take lots of punishment, dish out pain and replenish their numbers easily. It must be noted too, however, that the WE weren't footslogging into assault. They used a lot of transports, and even Ferrus himself praised their mechanized infantry tactics as rage given form or some stuff like that.
A bit unrelated, I like to think of Bullet Tooth Tony as a loyalist World Eater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIZSjK46dUg
Ignoring the name is the best way to deal with it, anon.

>>50286034
>crimson path apothecary.mp4

>>50285616
Building a Chaplain for my Dark Angels, after that it's off to work on my Super Jackhammer Carrier Tank.

And in a move of extreme Heresy most of the bare heads in my force are actually Space Wolf heads.

>>50286807
Holy shit anon, pics?

>>50286807
>space wolf heads
Disgusting.

Seconding >>50286855

>>50286855
>>50286926
Tomorrow, I don't have the light tonight.

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So, I'm planning out how I'm going to assemble and outfit my 10-man Tartaros Terminator squad for my World Eaters. I'm toying with using either pic related for helmets, or using mkVII as Sarum-pattern respirator knockoffs.

The idea is that they're supposed to be allied with a Mechanicum forge world, and thus have weird, experimental and modified armaments available to them. The whole squad's going to be riding in with Volkite Chargers and powerfists, with a couple of chainfists scattered in there.

Thoughts?

>>50287381
I don't know an answer to your question but goddammit I bought two packs of those heads and I hate the unhelmeted ones. they look like they have some sort of astartes down syndrome.

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>>50287559
I mean, the Nails are pretty much the closest thing to a major mental health epidemic in the Legiones Astartes, so that's appropriate.

It does suck though.

>>50285052
destroyers 100 points base, 50 for packs, 12pp add model

moritats overheat doesn't stop chainfire, just keeps adding wounds

>>50285290
Better than a flat 5++. I'd take it in a damn heartbeat.

>>50285270
how about making hardened armor decreasing the ap of any blast or template that hit them by 1 ?

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>>50285616
I'm working on my custodes.

I'm just waiting on a gigantic axe to ship. So I can make a executioner style black custodes. Basically a custodes sent to personally administer the emperors disapproval at someone.

>>50285052
All legion specific weapons made AP2 by default

>>50288956
That'd be silly, everything would be too similar. I mean, as great as it'd be for Caedere weapons to have a reason to exist....

>>50288984
Yea i guess so
Maybe im just butthurt about the AP creep

>>50285052
Give the mastodon flare shields and lower the price to 500 points

>>50285052
Legion Veterans have access to Bikes and Jump packs.

Can we expect some kind of FW bundles/deals/whatever for christmas? I wasnt around last year, so I would like to know if they did something.

>>50289619
lol, no, enjoy your voucher

GW Custodes or Kabuki "not Custodes" lads? Looking to pick some up in anticipation for Inferno.

So I need to convert an Omegon. Any tips for bitz etc that might work for his various parts?

>>50290080
I'd go with GW. While some don't like the scale, it is at least consistent across the model. Different parts of the kabuki models seem to have been done in different scales, making them look really weird (to me).

Do you guys have the painting guide from Burning of Prospero somewhere?

>>50285052
A Master of Signals lets you add or subtract 1 to/from your reserve rolls.

The damocles rhino can just fuck off.

>>50287832
>Better than a flat 5++. I'd take it in a damn heartbeat.
Nice bait, but I know you can't be that bad at math

(2/6)-(1/6+5/36) = 0.0277

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUuyyVaCOzw

Seems like Rubric terminators might be in tartaros armour. Unless they're overly plastered with Chaos iconography, a good source for some TS terminators?

>>50290922
That's what I plan on using them for and the power armor Sons as veterans.

>>50288237
That might be a bit overkill, but I'd take it over what we have now.

>>50291114
that way they get a 2+ against phosphex and basilisk, but medusa, plasma and demolisher cannon still kill them with ease

>>50290922
wtf I give a fuck about TS & SW now?
And I didn't even need femarchs

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>>50290922
Please Tzeentch give me new Plastic Rubrics and Plastic Rubric Termies

Best place to buy Custodian Guards separately from the BoP box?

>>50292157
Ebay probably.

It seems strange but metallic alpha-legion look really good in MK3 armour. Probably due to all of the recesses in the legs.

>>50288956
>Dark Angels get a S5 AP2 power sword for 10 points
>It's free if you already have a power sword
I approve.

Let us discuss and debate the merits and flaws of the newly recosted assault marines

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Is the Death Guard competent in melee without Mortarion or Deathshrouds? HH1 says it's fluffy, that they used to have trench knives and kurkri and all sorts of heavy knives.
>>50292959
This too. DG Ass marines with Move Through Cover and rad grenades sound interesting

>>50292959
They seem a damn good option for those legions that like to outnumber the enemy (SOH, NL) due to the way the Bulky rule interacts with those two LA rules. Obviously they die to artillery, but what doesn't in this day and age?

>>50292241
Might sell my sisters and Custodes, only tempted to keep their Aquila standard due to "muh loyalty".

Anybody in europe might drop me a mail at [email protected].

Would set up a paypal account and might be open for some swaps.

Depends.

>>50292994
>Is the Death Guard competent in melee
>can have rad grenades for every character

You do the math.

>Ass marines with Move Through Cover

Throw a Vigilator with them for Stealth to make the most out of that cover.

>>50293010

Are they worth giving combat shields?

It's funny because for 1 point more than breachers they just trade defensive grenades and hardened armor for a jump pack

>>50292119
As a SW player, who's first few games was against the same TS player, I too want new Rubrics.
Even if you aren't fielding them, ugly and old models take away from the game, and likewise, new and well made models help the game as a whole.

Plus it'll make him think he can beat me.

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>>50293109

>take a vigilator with ass marines? How ridicu-
>they really can take jump packs

>>50293214
I'm the guy he was responsible to, this is my reaction too. Especially because Vigilators can take Jump packs but not Combi weapons. Wft FW?

>>50285052
Command Squads are characters.

>>50293109
Also, Vigilators give Scout, not stealth. Still, Scouting Jump pack unit in the RoW that prevents running don't sound too bad.

>>50293267
Alpha Legion and Raven Guard Praevins can infiltrate a unit of Vorax directly into the enemy army's anus. This is amazing!

>>50293267

Vigilators have stealth which confers onto their attached squad

>>50293290

And scout

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>>50293252
>mfw Deathshrouds can also be taken as Retinues but are a standalone HQ option as well, and are an entire unit of 2W characters.

>>50293050
Lots of brass. Do you have HH6?

Why do Destroyers dual-wield pistols? Are they trying to look gangsta?

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>>50293324
>Are they trying to look gangsta?
Of course!

>>50293296
Oh from their Cameleoline. Right gotcha. I guess they all hide behind him, conga style :^)

>>50293302
No I don't, but there is a MEGA. I will read it now.
Any particular reason I need to read it besides lore?

>>50285052

AL praetors can steal one piece of legion specific equipment.

Breachers cost 12 points.

Headhunters cost 17.

Coils allows you to take infantry units that cannot deep strike or infiltrate if they begin the game embarked in a transport that can deep strike.

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>>50293267

>>50293249
He does get a bolter with all the Seeker special ammo.

I'm going to use the BoP not-Bjorn dude as my Vigilator. Just replace his arms with a pistol and power sword, give him a jump pack, keep the bolter hanging from his shoulder and maybe give him a helmet.

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>>50293361
Mainly because of stuff like this. Turns out Xana, DA and DG fought at Rangda

>>50293398
How would you fluff a guy's invisicloak hiding 20 Bulky superhumans? -> >>50293349 ?

>>50293432
Nice. I was planning on a smallish Cybernetica force to lead and ally with my Reductor, plus one or two Knights because that colour scheme is badass when combined with Xana's and that scorpion emblem.

Do you think I could get away with using a Hellblade fighter as a Lightning proxy since it's a Xana design and looks so damn cool?

>>50293464

It's actually easy for a vigilator to fluff it, since their whole canon job is guiding their brothers through the best avenues of attack. It could be that he just knows the best hidey-holes and guides the marines to them.

>>50293464
Same way a commissar with a cape can hide 50 guardsmen.

Who cares, rules let you do it and I highly doubt assault marines are so broken that +1 cover save is gonna ruin everything.

If a squad gains infiltrate from a vigilator, do they satisfy the infiltration requirement from Coils?

>>50285052
I would add some sort of reaction when a primarch gets taken down, a bit like how Night Lords and Ultramarines have negative effects when the warlord dies. In every bit of fluff there's a huge reaction from legionaries when their primarch falls (whether death or just temporarily knocked out/incapacitated), often rushing to their side to try to defend them or otherwise extract the body from the combat zone, but currently in the 30k game marines don't give a fuck if their primarch gets killed.

So, I feel something to represent that response could be interesting, maybe every unit takes a leadership test (with some negative modifier depending on legion, some will hold their shit together better than others (and the world eaters may simply not notice)) and if failed rolling on an Instinctive Response table or something. It would also add to the decision of taking a primarch in your army - you get these sweet buffs, but your force could end up misbehaving if the primarch dies.

>>50293489
Not saying it's broken, I'm saying it sounds silly unless you fluff it like >>50293480 as the product of training, which is not unlike Scout works too.
>>50293474
House Malinax triple scorpion? Sounds nice, they're oathboud too.

>>50293378
>AL praetors can steal one piece of legion specific equipment.
You mean AL praetors can take mantles of the eldar drake.

Are plasma cannons much use on a HSS?

One weapon I've never used or encountered

>>50293584
That was the plan, but owing to the brown and gunmetal scheme on the Malinax knights being slightly dull, I was going to do one or both shoulders and maybe a couple other parts in Xana livery to break it up a bit.

Also if I can find a large enough beastie skull I am going to try to greenstuff up that sigil for one shoulder, but I think I'll only try that if I eventually get a FW knight of some kind.

>>50293561
>and the world eaters may simply not notice
Kek. I think marines would fight harder in order to retrieve their KO'ed sire, but rules for that would make it a gain even in death.
>Perturabo gets put out of combat
>"How do you like that Decimation, huh?"

>>50293634
Get those new Haemotrope Reactors and make them Large Blast.

>>50293691
>using fortifications

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>>50293716
>Implying

>>50293716
>not using forticiations

I bet you hate flyers and super-heavies too.

>>50293541
You can't gain Infiltrate from a character. GW FAQed it away, because somehow that's not exactly what the rules say.

>>50293632

You got me

Well that or a 3++

who am I kidding

I'm looking to add some Jump-infantry to my AL list. Which are more useful, Assault Marines or Destroyers?

>>50293726
Fortifications are for WAACfags.

>>50293766

>who's better

>these guys who are pretty good
>or these guys who cost literally double to be exactly the same except also carry rad grenades

Assault marines are pretty sweet and there is no useful mutable tactic they don't benefit from greatly

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>>50293775
They are? I never knew how to use them, look like wastes of points. I do want the new Planetstrike book coming out, I loved Stronghold Assault.

>>50293737
The FAQ is still unofficial, so I'll keep my infiltrating characters and multiple assault grenades, thank you very much.

Kinda dumb question: do primarchs roll on the warlord traits table and which one is usually a safe pick?

Hey /hhg/ this bitter anon could use some help answering two questions that have been stalling me for a while.

The list I have been working on like an EC marine is a large point list of IW Hammer of Olympia with some Taghmata allies.

1) Best way to use the 3 troops choices? My plan was to have at least two of the choices be tacs in rhinos, however I was wondering if there could be any benefit of having the third be a blob squad or even *ghasp* an assault squad? I hate copy pasting units but 3 tac squads in rhinos is sounding like the best idea.

2) What do with the heavy support of allied Taghmata? I really can't decide between thanatars or the krios tanks.

>>50294003
>Best way to use the 3 troops choices?
Three twenty man blobs completely unupgraded since they will die before breaking anyway.
And then three more blobs.

>>50293991
Not a dumb question: they don't. Their rules are meant to be both their WT and LA rule. Only Fulgrim (not Guilliman) can pick (instead of roll) a Strategic/Astartes Warlord Trait.

>>50293854
Regimental standard is great.

>>50294024
I get the idea of the meat grinder, however it really seems like there are too many templates being thrown around at high point games to justify large blobs.

At least rhinos allow them to be mobile before they all die and makes them cheaper. More points for my heavy supports = happy IW player.

Where's the rules for Talons of the emperor?

>>50294151
They will be in Inferno.
So you've got a while to wait before getting your hands on them.

>>50294176
damnit

>>50294151
>>50294176
Sister of Silence 30k rules will be in next months white dwarf thought.

>>50294134
The point isn't for them to get anything done, the point is to have 120 bodies for the low low price of 1050 points.

>>50293474
Bump.
Ordering the first of my HH toys tomorrow and I want to know if that would be an OK proxy.

Have read HH6 now, the Xana Incursion looks extremely good for campaign fodder, might be fun with our local Dark Angels player.

>>50293854
the macro cannon is 2stronk, void shield gens are painful, but normal forts are fine.

>>50294232
What about regular Aegis Defense Lines, Castellum Strongholds and the Primus "I'm now classified as a LoW" Redoubt with AV15 10HP and 3++/4++ invuln saves against ranged/barrage?

>>50294227
Okay, well remind me to bring a bunch of artillery if we ever play.

Shattered Legions army theme idea

"The Brotherhood of The Broken"

Loyalist elements driven to extreme and idiosyncratic behaviours by the trauma of betrayal, loss of Primarch, and the bitter reality of astartes vs astartes war. Three Loyalist elements, all showing some form of warped Legion identity.

Salamander Promethean Cult fanatics inspired by the crew of The Ebon Drake and motherfucking Cassian Dracos. Guilt-wridden over the "death" of their father, or gripped by fanatic certainty that VULKAN does in fact LIVE. Flame iconography, fire-drake fetishes, and totems of The Promethean cult urrywhere.

A band of Sagyar Mazan, with heavy elements of Samurai aesthetic. I was mostly inspired by the art of Hibou Khan that shows him swinging a katana. I like the idea of fluffing Sagyar Mazan bands as dishonoured samurai seeking redemption through death in service and combat. I love the idea of a command squad kitted out for close combat, wearing these helmets (https://puppetswar.eu/product.php?id_product=141)

Raven Guard skin walkers, as inspired by this art and accompanying fluff (http://greyall.deviantart.com/art/Raven-Guard-Skinwalker-449753204) I'd make some Dark Fury and Destroyers with lots of dangling bones and feathers. Skipping the stupid kiavahnium blade idea though, but I love the rest of the concept.

Having a hard time thinking of fluffy unit choices that would make a balanced force, but I am so in love with the concept of some of the Loyalists becoming just as debased and twisted as some Traitors by the circumstances of the Heresy.

Any thoughts /HHG/?

>>50294331
>Aegis Defense Lines
barely a fort

>giant tiles of "never going to be in a normal game" forts
yeah ok. theyre cool and strong but the cost alone makes them too rare to consider

>>50294386
>Brokenhood
Sure, that's what the After Istvaan RoW is all about anyway. That's a good reason why marines would join a Shattered Army

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>>50293775
Here, take this, you'll need it.

>>50294426
WHat do you think of the individual concepts of each Loyalist faction within the force itself?

>>50294448
>>50294386
>Salamander fanatics
On point
>White Scar ronins
On point
>RG Skinwalkers
Aaayyy scary. On point.

Brokenhood a go, nothing is Cold Steel tier or aproaching it, I like it. Primarchless marines are wrecks of superhumans, and it's noble to them to aim themselves at the enemy and wreak havoc upon them

>>50294529
Fuckyes. Your validation is more invigorating than you might have guessed. smashing together a BoC and BaC box with some scattered FW and third party upgrades will set me up well for the challenge of modelling it all.

>>50293854
I got a bunker with a quad cannon for my SW missile squad. Sergeant can operate the quad gun and 8 members can fire out of the firing ports. 105pts. for AV14 protection. Better than subjecting them to getting shot to pieces in the open. Add an ammo dump and they can re-roll to-hit rolls of 1.

For DG I just got the trench defence line with some tangle wire to give some cover for rapiers and heavy support squad.

>>50294354
Nice attitude.

>>50294580
Thanks for trusting me so much, but you should believe some more in yourself. You did read the pertinent fluff and are proposing something that you obviously like. That's validation enough.

>>50294705
I'm the kind of guy who's always looking for a second opinion, trying to refine my fluff concepts and make them tighter, stronger. I brainstorm a lot of army ideas that are usually governed by some kind of high concept theme, and it's good to get feedback on whether that theme translates well or not.

>>50294386
What would be good bits for White Scars swords?

>>50294737
GK halbards?

>>50294737
Well, Puppetswar has katanas for 28mm, and I'd definitely use those with my Sagyar Mazan ronin.

But the charnabal sabres in the FW meeee weapon kits look like pretty good tulwars/scimitars, and GW sells a 40k Scars upgrade kit that includes a talwar, maybe more than one.

>>50294781
Melee weapons. Melee. Goddamnit.

>>50294797
(Youuuuuu) weapon

>>50294819
Soulja Boy Tell'em

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>>50294781
Charnabal sabres are good. Puppetswar also sell these heads, it will look goofy on a marine tho.

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>>50294892
Will they, anon? Will they?

Are the legion transfer sheets worth the price?

>>50294952
They're quite detailed sheets with lots of options, so I think they are.
But your mileage may vary.

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>>50294989
There's enough on one for what, 36 marines?

>>50295081
Something like that, yes.
If you're using legion shoulderpads you can probably stretch it quite a bit beyond that, there's 75 or so symbols for squad type, 40 squad numbers or so.
You may be able to fit an army with appropriate symbols if you have a variety of squads.
Get 2 if you want to have plenty for an entire army.

Asking this AGAIN because I am annoyingly persistent sometimes.
Would it be OK for my Xana II Mechancium to proxy a Hellblade Fighter as a Lightning Strike fighter? It's cooler and is a Xana design.

Also, are aircraft standard in 30k games? Only seen one Storm Eagle, and don't want to screw over people if AA is sparse.

>>50295831
Depends on your local meta man. 'Round these parts we're all using BaC or BoP boxes with some convertible 40k stuff (Rhinos, Land Raiders, etc.) thrown into the mix. So my meta is very infantry heavy and I can get away with fielding 3 20-man blobs for example.

>>50295893
Saw a decent amount of that, but most people seem to be using Calth sets for 40k.
My opponents are DG with lots of infantry, UM with lots of terms and Knights, WE with a Kharybidis and a few others, all with Primarchs.

Am I correct that the Kharybidis is hovering and so I don't need skyfire to hit it?

>>50295963
Yes, but I think all Hover Flyers can choose to zoom and be hit on a 6 unless you have Skyfire, like regulars flyers.

>>50293726
why use fortifications for a tank army?

>>50296082
Yep, but it's a drop pod so it has to hover or it can't drop people off, so I get 1 turn of shooting it before Angron + Co pops out and murderises me. Could get lucky.

Anyway, Hellblade? Decent proxy or too small etc.?

New thread when?

>>50296271
Im on it.

>>50296271
New Thread
>>50296285
>>50296285
>>50296285

>>50296171
I think the hellblade would be an alright proxy size-wise, if not a bit too big? [citation needed] on the production on Xana though.

If you suitably de-chaosified it and made it more grimderp body-horror a la 30k Mechanicum/Dark Mech it'd be fine by my standards (which are extreme fluff sperg on a good day)

>>50296789
By the look of the parts on the FW website it doesn't come with many chaosy bits, so if I painted it in more industrial colours I think it will look suitably un-warpy. Wouldn't exactly be DarkMech, but they are more horrific moral standards and risky practice than outright Daemon Engines at this point anyway, even on Xana.