Horus Heresy General /hhg/

>>50275504
Do Horus and Perturabo need to remain stationary in order to use their bombardments?

>>50275629
No

Tactical support squad with meltaguns that are either going to infiltrate or scout in a rhino, or use Dynat's warlord trait to deep-strike.

Yay or nay ?

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My next list is 6 cortus contemptors, 2 boxnoughts, 2 deredeos and a leviathan, with hq and troop tax. about 2500 points, and all the talons outflank with maru skara

>>50275719
Only if the enemy isn't using AC.
But you might be better off upping the points and using a shooty dread of your choice to add in survivability and aid in raw stats.

>>50275736
All footslogging?

>>50275743
Everything will be outflanking or staying still and shooting save the leviathan, and im hoping the enemy will be too busy with 8 dreadnoughts suddenly in their deployment zone to allocate much fire to it

>>50275762
I hope that works out for you anon, I would love to see what happens when you try it.

Anyone got the Iron Hands prospero guide?

>>50275743
AC?

>>50276294
Aromatic Catamite.

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>>50275504
>mfw I'm a Phoenix Lord now
So, what are you guys working on?
>Captcha asks for bread

>>50276105
What do you mean?

Reminder to set your trip filters and keep them updated.

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>>50276105

>>50277102
>people are still posting my shitty uncropped screenshots

Damn, has a full scan still not come out yet?

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been working on this siege breaker

>>50277370
He looks depressed.

>>50277131
Just upload and post the epub somewhere, I'm sure at least one anon will know how to convert it to PDF.

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>>50277606
>still moaning about epubs

>>50277370
Can that phobos pistol be even classed as a pistol? It looks like a carbine bolter. I could put that on some guardsmen and it's look just right. As a matter of fact, I might just do that.

>>50277102
Anyone got the Iron Warriors one?

>>50277505
Heresy is depressing, anon.

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>>50277823

>>50277848
Thanks good anon.

>>50277831
Now that I think about it he is a DG so maybe that's his natural emotion? Well, Garo's not morbid 24/7 so I guess that can't be the case.

>>50277370
Just want to verify that siege breaker can't actually take any of the centurion weapons once you upgrade him and that's for show. Otherwise I need to up my reading comprehension.

>>50278225
Well what do you know, I do need to up my reading. Thanks for showing me the light, anon.

>>50277131
>>50277606

Yes, please do this anon. I'm sick of finding these things one at a time.

Castrmen Orth
Praetor, cataphractii, paragon etc, Head of The Gorgon

2xTactical Squad, extra CCW, rhino, dozer, melta

Gorgon Terminators, cyber familiar sarge, 8 men
2x10 man Veteran Tacticals, 2 Heavy Bolters, melta bombs

2x vindicator siege tank squadrons, 3 vindicators each

Mastodon, 4 HK missiles, Super-Heavy Command Tank

it's not meant to be particularly powerful, but as a concept for a list, is it sound? the idea is the rhinos+mastodon plow up the board and pressure objectives, and then vindicators plow in from the sides, and hopefully start taking many toys off the table. might it be better to take 3 vindi squadrons of 2, rather than 2 of 3?

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>>50278392

> it's not meant to be particularly powerful
> 6 vindicators and a mastodon

Anon, I...

>>50278426
is that a particularly out of line list?
I'm not great at judging power levels for a reasonable list as most of the metas I've been a part of have been fairly competitive

>>50278462
The vindicators are brutal. The mastadon is pretty shit however.

>>50278462

Well, there's the meme of 30k players tending to prefer thematic games that give infantry a chance to shine (no matter how many AP3 large blasts FW decides to throw in).

Even that aside though, a lot of competitive lists would struggle against *6* vindicators, and it's quite frankly a boring match-up. Seeing 3/4 of your army disappear in a salvo of S10 shooting doesn't leave much room for strategy or dynamic story-telling.

Of course, if everyone else in your meta are WaAC cunts, there's not much else you can do unless *you* want to be on the receiving end of cheese lists.

>>50278462
>competetive meta
>for horus heresy
>the historical wargaming of the warhammer world

Are you retarded?

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>>50278517
I gotcha, I see that being something unpleasant to play against now, I've heard tell of the ordo reductor lists and all the hitlery that goes along with it and figured it would be more prevalent than it might actually be, I'll try and cut it down to something more reasonable
>>50278558
I figured the general attitude would be similar, considering the people around here play historicals like bolt action and FoW competitively

>>50278558
Oh people can get competative with HH alright. Even during a bloody 30k campaign. Specially asian guys seem to be incapable of not min-maxing every armylist to the mission and match-up.

>>50278225
Where does it say you can't give him centurion equipment, or is this a Facebook I missed

>>50278658
One would think that certain Consul upgrades being disallowed to take certain upgrades is enough of a hint that Centurions may still take any and all upgrades allowed when being upgraded to a Consul.

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>>50278225
>>50278658

The newest Red Book shows no restrictions on Siege Breaker equipment.

>>50278702
Yeah I was about to say

I hate literally everything about the Emperor's Children

I hate their theme, I hate their color scheme, I hate their primarch, I hate their god, I hate their named characters, I hate their gimmick, I hate their tabletop stats, I hate their lore, I hate fabius bile and most importantly I hate EC players

do you have any legion you absolutely hate from the bottom up, hhg?

>>50279003
Not really. I like them all, but my least favorite are the EC.

>>50279003
W O R D . B E A R E R S
They believe their own lies.
And TS too, never willing to concede they did fuck up.

>>50279039
ts literally did nothing wrong

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>>50279003
Anon, explain why you hate all of those things. Because you're either pic related or an incredibly vocal Iron Hand who heard one too many Ferrus head jokes. As for me I really don't like Word Bearers. Might be Eberus's fault, Lorgar's fault, or because World Bearers or Word Bearers remain cooler names.
>>50279039
Brother?!
>>50279047
Don't you start that.

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>>50279047
>Mfw witches

>>50278601
Lists with a lot of one type of unit tend to win big or lose big. Neither is all that interesting for your opponent.

You need to have something strong enought to take out a flare-shielded Spartan. 2-3 pie plates are fair as well. That might mean taking half of your Vindicators with laser destroyers, or trading some for a flyer.

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Oh, yeah, I forgot. Al, I found this just for you.

May anyone give a link about battle for Calth? I meen boxed game scans

>>50279003
Their colout scheme is glorious and Slaanesh can be cool as fuck if done well.

Caligula and declining rome were slaaneshi as fuck for example.

>>50279039
>W O R D . B E A R E R S
>They believe their own lies.
They were actually right...

My least favorite legion is the Dark Angels. They're yet another legion in black (all three on the loyalist side), their use of silver/gray as a secondary color is dull, their specialty is simply to run different types of monolists, and some of them went bad because they were left alone on a planet with nothing to do. I just don't see the attraction. White Scars do Ravenwing with more character, Iron Hands do Ironwing with more character... bleh.

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>>50279003
Cry more

raven guard best loyalists

corvus corax best primarch

alpha legion a shit

>>50279003
I hate iron warriors

>Here's my fluffy army :^)
>3 basilisks
>6 quad mortars
>10 havocs
>5 Tyrants

Artillery gunlines are not fun to fight

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>Bought a Mastodon
>Used it once
>Realized its complete shit

Ever have severe buyers remorse?

>>50279450
Yeah. I bought the Imperial Guard SC! kit rather than the Skitarii one.

At least I learned how to paint.

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>>50279125
Aww thanks
>>50279296
>My least favorite legion is the Dark Angels.
Their thing is they don't yet have a built character. They're trying to push them out as knights (EC), as Monster Hunters, as The First (AL), as the legion of old, as the wielders of deadly weaponry (DG), as bikers (WS), as tank warfare (IH), etc....
But can you berate a legion that has yet not a book about their lack of character? It's a bit unfair to expect something from them at this point. Especially because their terminator assault (SoH, Fists, DG) and destroyer (IW, DG) aspects are yet to be implemented on the Deathwing and Dreadwing rows, and we don't even know yet what the Firewing is (BA?).

>they were actually right
I'm not quite moved with the truths of Daemonic rape, you know. Not even chaos likes the WB, but it's folly to assume they care about anything other than themselves to begin with.

>>50279333
III trips, that's a very nice looking Skrillex

>>50279360
That list is begging for a teleport assault + Aerial support. Focused lists are the ones you can hard counter...but only if you know them beforehand, that is.
Artillery & Flare shields were a mistake

>>50279003
I kanda feel a lot of the "grim" "stoic" legions feel the same. Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, Death Guard, Imperial fists seem so similar to me and I also dislike how there are so many chapters that have 'makes their own shit' as their thing

missed the point i know but whatever

>>50279502
I'm with you there, and I like the iron warrior. I just don't especially want to play them in 30k, I'd much rather play IW in an epic-scale game where you can really do an artillery-heavy army justice. Hoping FW one day branch out from adeptus titanicus into epic-scale heresy battles.

>>50275504
Shouldn't we have migrated to >>50259922 instead of to here? Imperium and Mechanicum must merge.

>>50279502
>>50279612
That's why I play IW as the breaching force. Heavy armor, heavy guns, tough counter CC squads, all moving towards the enemy while firing.

So what're your choices for a command squad for a regular Archmagos? Since you can get them to do nearly anything, I either put him with a Graviton Imploder with some Destructors, or keep him "weaponless" (he still has the machinator array) with some enginseers at lower point levels to fix the artillery.
Scoria I outflank with Vorax, since that works very well at suddenly changing your opponent's priorities ;).

>>50279450
What's wrong with the Mastodon? Too slow?

>>50280032

No flare shield makes it exceedingly easy to kill with its points equivalent worth of units

>>50280032
too many points, weapons not effective enough and not really hardy enough when compared to the equivalent of 2 flare shield spartans

>>50280048
The Void Shields don't help?

>>50280078
only av12 which makes them basically nothing against the general weapons that someones gonna throw against a super heavy

>>50280048
>>50280057
I'm slightly dubious about the flare shield thing for the mastodon. Given how long the model is it doesn't seem that hard to get shots into its sides arcs, especially as it'll be driving up the table.

>>50279538
Autek Mors are basically gebe enhanced mass-reeing cogboys.

Don't tell me thats not cool, also best tanks.

Glaives and grav n volkite n shit.

>>50279933
Well he can pick one of three battle roles: Melee, Ranged or Support.

Example an Archmagos Archimandrite with a Djinn Skein supports your army by simply existing (+1 to reserves, vehicles with IWND, ranged cognis signum) without taking Warlord Traits into account, so you could place him with something that needs repair. Enginseers and Reductors are support units too, their respective Techpriests fit their themes well enough.

Melee is a bit more complicated because he can either footslog alongside Scyllax (I don't think you can be locked in melee with friendly units) or jet around Thallax (a bit of a waste IMO). Sadly he can't really hang around Ursarax without some compromises, as the Magos can at best be a Jetpack unit while Ursarax are Jump units. Lachrymallus are also good in melee due to their FnP5 (so are Archmagos Dominus, which also have Patric Cybernetica and Divine Cybermancy for real MC hammer combat). Reductor magi are also fucking tough and pack a real punch, but will footslog forever and the Mechanicum lacks any Assault transports. Sad.

As for Ranged, the only real choices are Ordinators and Myrmidaxi tagging along any kind of Myrmidon unit.

Yup, this is me, sperging about and still not answering your question. Srry.

>>50279933
Also, Thallax are multipurpose units. Sure the Mechanicum codex is littered with units that do what Thallax do but better, but that doesn't mean Thallax are bad per se. ANd Reductor armies MUST take at least six Thallax, so better get some uses for them.
They say Destructor Meltabomb Thallax fulfill a good job as Tank Hunting units. They can close in quick enough and survive doing so, and Jump Shoot Jump

>>50280032
>>50280048
>>50280057
>>50280078
i feel like the melta array should be armourbane, or 24" range
maybe give it the 5+ invuln other super-heavies get for being hardcore

>>50280032
Just way too expensive for a moving tunnel. It's reason for existing isn't playable/present in the game. There is no need for a breaching tunnel of fun. It's weapons are mediocre. It's just bad.

It needs a major points cut, several hundred points worth. Its just a big land raider. If it were 500 points and I would consider it acceptable. Not great, but acceptable.

>>50280131
That's essentially how I treat them, except I have an obsession over support HQ units, so when I'm not playing with Scoria, I tend to go Reductor and run 1 Magos Reductor, 1 Ordinator and 1 Archmagos Archimadrite, drop 1 reductor-buffed barrage then shell the hell out of him with armourbane Conv Beams and such while hiding behind my Walkers in Ruin, IWND Triaros and Vindicators.

Seeing the IH player realise that Ferrus is overrrated is always fun.

>>50279460
That's because during the early to mid war of unification, they were the only legion and so had to be able to do everything the best. That focus on multiple, specialized tactics remained even as primarchs were found during the Great Crusade and other legions became more well known for a particular strategy. The knight elements are pretty strongly a Caliban addition to the legion.

I'm sure we'll get stronger historical context for their organization in book 8.

>>50280117

Vehicles specifically designed to do that can (sicaran venator) but not medusae and other easily spammable S10 AP2 templates

>given how long the model is

Since you measure arcs from the front corners the amount of distance required to get into its side arcs from the front arc is the same as if the Mastodon was only 3 inches long.

In fact it's width makes its front arc really big.

>>50280191
Never tried using Meltabombs, so used to avoiding CC like the plague when running 40k Admech that it never occured to me.

I should really try that, it seems more effective than my Destructor+MM/Photon Thruster loadouts.

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>>50279296
>They were actually right...
>Implying WE AREN'T THE GODS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER!
>Implying WE AREN'T IT'S SOLDIERS, THE LEGIONS OF LIGHT!
>Implying WE AREN'T THE CENTRE, THE DEATH OF THE S(U/O)N!
FIRE AND FLAME
>Implying WE AREN'T ONE!
>mFfw

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>>50280257

>iktf

Is the sicaran still worth taking after the nerf? 205 for the base vehicle + lascannons is pretty brutal

>>50280257
alfabusa canon is great but not canon

>>50280200
>maybe give it the 5+ invuln other super-heavies get for being hardcore
That's a damn good idea. In fact doesn't the Caestus gets a frontal invuln due to the fact it's a thing that rams starships?
Also, how does one use a Caestus?
>>50280217
Sounds like you could use Decima, who is a Magos Reductor available to regular Taghmata. I wish his Invictus profile gave him Archmagos stats, let alone Reductor stats. 2D6 Haywire Sunder Relentless shots? Yes please.
Put him in a 5 Gravidon Secutor squad inside a deepstriking Arvus equal to about 13 Hull Points removed, and the squad can't be intercepted because they're 2W T5 3+/5++ models inside a Hovering flyer at Ld10 Stubborn. That's a dead Mastodon in a single shooting phase. We Tau now :^)
>>50280223
Only 0831u471 more months to go :^/

>>50280331
I'm not saying it's canon.
But that theme definitely fits the great crusade.

>>50279003
I have no care whatsoever for NL and Batman. I don't see their point being terrorist marines.

>>50279003
space wolves
they're all a bunch of self righteous pricks

>>50280362

How to use a Caestus Assault Ram (CAR):

1.Get 10 of the bulkiest dudes you can find.
2. Enter via Deep Strike and blow shit up with your magna melta and/or ram somethingl
3.Disgorge said burly dudes and molest your enemies backline.

4.Repeat if necessary and/or possible.

>>50280362
you fill your caestus with a nasty CC unit, fly it on the board and ram another flyer out of the skies, extra points if you combine that with castrmen orth for ap1 rams, then the next turn, disgorge your CC bros and vaporize a tank/most of an enemy unit with your magna melta and havoc launchers while your CC unit tears something to pieces

>>50280491
>>50280523

>Disgorge mind.

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>>50280478
They used to be punisher marines, seeking out the evil and the degenerate and subjecting them to the kindness of chainblades and automatic fire. They were the Emperor's Vengeance, and "The Eight" was a byword not for retribution, but for punishment. Until Nostromo, that is.

>>50280491
You cannot ram if you deepstrike, and I think you cannot disembark if you ram something. That's why I was asking. Surprise melta sound great, though.
>>50280523
So, patience it is, huh. Can you ram other flyers? I thought it was ground targets only.

Caestii should be able to ram and disembark.

>>50280597
i dont think theres any restriction on ramming flyers, but i need to have a look

>>50280191
>>not running 9 ferrox thallax with Heavy chainblades, deep striking into cover (Muh reductor) or right next to cover and givin' them the lightning and then threatening other vehicles with 9*4 S7 ap5 rending melee attacks.

>>50280673
I'm not saying you can't. In fact I'm the one who did the maths for Ferrox in the wiki, but meltabombs are simply better against buildings and vehicles. It's a fact.

>>50280673
>>50280703
Angry-Borgs do sound like a lot of fun though.

They'd mulch wnything with a 5+.

Prime gew or tyranid/ork removers.

>>50280564
I guess that's slightly better, but still

>>50280703
well around here we play with the one grenade FAQ thing, and I find that mass of worse attacks generally have a lower chance of failing. the mass of attacks also scares smaller astartes units from getting too close. since thallaxi's shooting isn't the best and they are relentless I see them as literal shocktroopers.

>>50280362
That frankly sounds awesome and badass, but is also WAY overkill against nearly anything I would be facing. ATM I have 3 gravidons and my Archmagos Reductor with a GI in a Triaros, and they've killed 2 Cataphractii and Girlyman with a lucky roll.

If I wind up playing Apoc anytime and a Mastodon actually appears, I'm doing that.

What I really need, however, is a way to kill bloody Mortarion. Grav doesnt work, Scoria doesnt work after a 20 min argument that had about 14 people eventually resolve it by ballot, and my robots get chewed up by the bastard as he teleports around my tarpits.

>>50280762
why does grav not work? wounds on his 2+ doesnt it?

>>50280780
nope, anything that isn't just pure S based wounding wounds good ol' morty on only 6's

does anyone know anywhere to get luna wolves themed shoulder pads that aren't 22 euros for 10?

>>50280792
Precisely. I have no real option, and since I can roll up most of his infantry-blob DG lists fairly handily even with my small 30k army and less than 6 months experience with tabletop wargaming at all, I think that either arty needs a nerf or cover needs a buff, and I would prefer the former.

Anyway, 20 Thralls work for a few turns if I get a lucky charge into him, but that's it, any ideas?

>>50280837
buy one set an then just recast them, or mmake greenstuff press molds

>>50280792
ah, thats unpleasant
imo scoria should be able to fuck mortarion but if everyone says no, i guess its a no
i cant really think of much outside castellax darkfire cannons or maybe a thanatar cynis(?) the double plasma cannon one with rite of destruction on it

>>50280859
you want tonnes of S7 hits, maybe the thallax people were talking about above? I don't remember if morty is immune to rad (I presume he is) but otherwise scyllax ought to good work.

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>>50280736
If their rifles were at least Heavy 2, that'd be nice. Their dakka is seriously underwhelming.
>>50280741
30k is huge and everything goes. There are some loyal NL out there whom I'd happily siege along with.
>>50280746
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>>50280762
I meant Graviton gun Secutors, not Graviton Imploder Destroyers. The thing I mentioned could take on superheavies easily in a one-turn burst, and still be useful game long as machine destroyers. I mean, even an Ordinatus would fear these guys.
And if you aren't facing things that heavy you simply replace Decima Invictus by some Secutors and/or decrease the number of these guys. Still, drop and kill, man. Those Spartans will be removed.

Dammit I'm finally getting a lot of (You)'s now. Feels (Good)

I'm going to have 5-6 Volkite Chargers left over once I've used what I need. Should I kit out a little support squad with them, or keep them around for Characters?

>>50280847
>I think that either arty needs a nerf or cover needs a buff, and I would prefer the former.
It's definitely out of hand - real-life artillery could only dream of being that killy. It's as if every Medusa shell were a small nuke.

>>50280897
thallax wont really do the job because they're only ap5 rending, and thallax are expensive with only 1 shot each, its gonna be tough to bypass his 2+
cybernetica vorax might do the job, i5 and a pile of s6 attacks should do some work, thought they really need to deal with him before he attacks or the unit gets baleeted

>>50280897
He isnt immune to rad phage but he is immune to fleshbane, so the rad missiles will wound him on a 6. You need to drown the fucker in plasma or rending shots.

What do you guys use for your assault marines? The FW ones look really static and pretty hard to distinguish from tactical marines.

>>50280897
I think he's not immune, but he'll wipe out Scyllax effortlessly as he attacks at I4 with Instant Death, while Scyllax do so at I3, their enhanced attack happens at I1 and they're too expensive.
They're Fearless in the right conditions, but a full unit will cost 575 pts compared to Mortarion's 425.

>>50280929
well, considering the leman russ eradicator fires shells that use a radioactive charge and it's only s6 ap4, it's not a stretch that medusa shells are full of some horrifically advanced and powerful explosive

>>50280959
>The FW ones look really static and pretty hard to distinguish from tactical marines
That's what I like about the 40k jump packs - they're very visible from the front. I wish it were more acceptable to use them.

>>50280897
He isn't immune to rad, but he is AP2 S7 ID in melee, so Scyllax or Rending Thallax wont last at all. With a squad of 12 Scyllax, which costs more than him, I deal (2 /2 x4/6 /2 = 2 wounds, not even counting his IWND or the men I would lose before we got to I1.

>>50280913
Ah, OK. So far my Spartan Removal Specialist is a very angry Knight Warden, but I do need something better.
Maybe I'll get either 3 graviton secutors or a Vulturax soon, that should help some.


>>50280930
Vorax might work, lets see. Hitting first with Rite of the Beast on a unit of 3 does (12*0.75 /3 / 2 = 1.5 wounds. Apparently not. The Thanatar does (8*0.66 /2 = 2.5 wounds with RoD, and that's even if all the shots hit.

>>50280985
you can use the old raptor ones s that's in collected visions

>>50279460
>>they were actually right
>I'm not quite moved with the truths of Daemonic rape, you know. Not even chaos likes the WB, but it's folly to assume they care about anything other than themselves to begin with.
>folly to assume they care about anything other than themselves to begin with.
This is unfortunately a true part, they could have totally gone with the fanatics doing what they believe in because they know they have to do it, sort of like Argel Tal conveys it to Kharn but with less atheism.
Lorgar is the one whose reasoning is within these lines. The truth is unfortunate, but inevitable.

>>50281041
Damn, you're right. Not even Scoria's Vorax can deal with Mortarion

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>>50281081

>>50278702
>>50278658
Sorry, I meant that I misread that they couldn't. I initially thought taking a consul removed any equipment choices and gave you listed war gear, and was mistaken. So I meant I was wrong, not the dude who posted his wip breaker, hence why the next post is me saying I need to read.

>>50280859
Scoria works just fine on Mortarion. He never rolls to wound, he just gives wounds. His weapon does not work like Grav or Poison at all.

Just checking, but is there any reason I couldn't take Sigismund & Two squads of Templar Brethren as a secondary detachment with an Loyalist Alpha Legion Primary Detachment?

>>50281192
Much as I'd like it to work that way, I do NOT want to start that argument again. Therefore, Im trying to mathhammer a way to kill him. Next up, 3 Krios Venators do:

- 12 shots, 8 hits.
- 6 2/3 wounds
- 3 wounds after IWND.

Could be a good contender, and not ineffective against anything else, either.

>>50280847
By the way, how about peppering him with AP2 Templates from your artillery? And maybe some Myrmidon Destroyers with Photon Thrusters. ~3 wounds each 2 turns after his enhanced IWND sounds good enough. Sort of. Kind of...
6*2(5/6+5/36)(1/3+1/18)(0.5)-(1/3+2/9) = 1.71

>>50279333
So everybody and their mother gets a forgebreaker nowadays?

>>50281258
Oh good one. Sure it could be. And those tanks are scoring in the enemy's deployment zone when used in a Matrix of Ruin.

>>50281247
Nothing against it at all, Sigismund makes them Troops in whatever detachment they are.
Please, read the rules attentively.

>>50281307
That's just his I7 MC Hammer, man.

>>50281293
Might help, but he does have an army backing him up that I need to kill first.
>>50281313

Probably going to have 2 of those in my final army anyway, so might be able to whittle him down.

If he is with a Terminator squad like Deathshroud, grav will wound on a 2+, so assuming we hit him first, that's 16x(35/66)(35/36)/2 = 7.5 wounds to the squad, so if he elects to take it on Morts he dies, and otherwise he loses 3 ~ 4 Deathshroud, so he cannot risk a bodyguard. Progress.

How do people model their Coils-of-the-hydra stolen units? Painted in their original theme, or with some kind of AL accent?

>>50281382
Painted as Alpha Legion - they're recreations of other legions' units. "Let's try this fancy sword we stole," or, "Let's see what happens when we subject a few volunteers to daemonic possession."

>>50281324
Can't touch this...

>>50279129
there are people playing BaC with the boxed rules? nah.

>>50281408
knowing AL they're probably recruits planted by the AL into the other legion

>>50281408
I thought the fluff was that the AL indoctrinated the marines before they were ever recruited by their legion, and then activated them 50 years later once they needed them.

Huh strange, it only registered one of those as a (You)
>>50281348
>so if he elects to take it on Morts he dies, and otherwise he loses 3 ~ 4 Deathshroud, so he cannot risk a bodyguard. Progress.
You're onto something, but watch out. They could "Look Out, Sir!" some of the wounds away, preventing some Deathshroud from being killed. In fact it'd be a good idea for the DG player to tank a few of those wounds with Mortarion himself, as he regains 0.55 wounds per turn.
Maybe have a Medusa/Vindicator squad around so they can erode his retinue first?

>>50281382
I'm as of yet unsure of how to paint and/or model an AL Mhara Gal.

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>>50281463
>I'm as of yet unsure of how to paint and/or model an AL Mhara Gal.
>Unsure
Exaclty ;^)

>>50281459
Oh, his retinue will be #1 target for my medusae the moment he gets within 48". I can probably handle him after that, but I need to leave 2 DS alive or the grav no longer works.

>>50280057
well, you can still use it as Distraction Carnifex. There is no other point in bringing a rather high cost model in a rather low cost game. I bet that nobody would care about it in an Apocalypse game.

Can you guys help me improve this list? Hopefully I've got all the points costs correct.

2500 Ordo Reductor Matrix of Ruin

HQ
-Archmagos Reductor, 155
+Machinator Array, 25
+Cyber Familar, 15
+Abeyant, 25
+Rad Grenades, 10
+Power Fist, 15
+Paragon Blade, 15
+Volkite Charger, 10
Total, 270

Enginseer Auxilia Bodyguard, 65
+Magos Auxilia, 20
+Cyber Familiar, 5
+Servo Automata, 20
+Servo Automata Servo-Arms, 40
Total, 150

Elites
-Enginseer Auxilia, 65
+Magos Auxilia, 20
+Adept, 20
+4 Servo Automata, 20
+Servo Automata Servo-Arms, 40
Total, 165

Troops
-3xThallax Cohort, 135 (405)
+Six Thallax, 240 (730)
+Heavy Chainblades, 45 (135)
+Ferrox, 25 (75)
Total, 445 (1335)

Heavy Support
-2xMacrocarid Explorator, 195 (390)
+Graviton Imploder, 15 (30)
+Two Irradiation Engines, 40 (80)
+Flare Shield, 25 (50)
Total, 275 (550)

Current Total, 2470

The plan is for the Auxilia and Archmagos to make their Macrocarids unkillable and roll up the board on their way to the enemy deployment while the Thallax move up and REEEEEEE at everything with a crapton of S7 Rending attacks.

>>50281450
>>50281456
I think you guys are talking about Alpha Legion spies in other legions. I'm talking about units in the Alpha Legion using wargear and tactics/training specific to other ones.

In other words, when you see Tyrant Siege Terminators in an Alpha Legion army, it's normal Alpha Legionnaires wearing blue armor manufactured based on IW designs that their operatives stole. They also stole the training manual, so those AL dudes are using their equipment the way the IW intended them to.

>>50280597
but you can take some incoming shots, disembark and then ram.
You can also phosphex/stasis shell the ground and than hop all over that shit like a killerbunny, while your enemy is caught in between.

>>50281463
Up to you. Did they capture a WB tainted dreadnought, or try getting one of their own possessed? Either one works, fluffwise, so choose your own adventure.

>>50281669
>Tyrant Siege Terminators in an Alpha Legion army
>not further improving on Guilliman's improvement of the Tyrants
constanza.jpg

>>50281630
Instead of a Volkite Charger take a Photon Gauntlet, which is S5 AP2 and costs 5pts less, so use those freed 5pts to Mastercraft one of your weapons, maybe the Paragon Blade.

The bodyguard MUST be Reductor, but you could simply not take them as a Bodyguard and take them as regular Elite Enginseers.

It could work, yeah.

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>>50281721
Damn. If Alpharius were to show up and grant PE to those Fulmentarii Terra would be lost
>Did you just deepstriked those Fulmentarii?
>Nah. THEY INFILTRATED THROUGH THE WARP.

>>50281723
Oh, that is true, my only problem was that I was just going to use the 40k Dominus as my Archmagos, since it's the closest to WYSIWYG and my conversion skill aren't top-notch.

Since the list currently has 30 points available, what would you reccoment buying?

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>>50281757
To be honest, I don't know what Photon Gauntlets look like, and I think nobody does. From bracelets to some glowy barrel glued to his hand, few would complain.
Also, pic related is indeed what I think a Reductor Abeyant looks like. I didnt0 quite understand your question though.

>>50281822
The lidt is currently at 2470/2500, so I was wondering if there were any upgrades you'd suggest.

>>50281844
Then maybe drop the Volkite and grab Armoured Ceramite? AV15/14/14 is damn hard to kill without melta. Even more with Enginseers inside.

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>>50281752

PE from Alpharius and tank hunters from mutable tactics

>>50281986

Leave it to Alpharius to take the improvement for the improvement of terminators and then improve it again

>>50281986
Peritarch (exPERT) targeters already give them Tank Hunters if they number 5 models

Do the Phalanx Warden and Templar Brethren upgrade sets play nice with the plastic MK3s?

>>50282063

Oh right. Well I'll just compromise with BS5 rerolling 1's to hit with STR 9 missile launchers

>>50275504
>You get warlord traits, you get warlord traits. Everyone gets warlord traits!
Is this a thing now? I saw some a few a couple threads back that looked actually _____fun_____ for tg. Is there a list somewhere?

>>50282232
No, people just started drawing up warlord traits for legions.
DA 2xIW IF 2x AL
I think I might do a WS table.

Do any of the black books have scenarios for big multi-person apocalypse games?

>>50282287
1) Master of Hunting: The Warlord gains preferred enemy (one unit chosen during deployment) and a free cyber-eagle, even if they could not already take one.
2) Master of Poetry: The Warlord and anyone within 12" gets stubborn and +1 ld
3) Master of Calligraphy: D3 units held in reserve get outflank
4) Child of Chogoris: The Warlord gets either Hit and Run or Furious Charge
5) Child of the Khan: The Warlord (and only the Warlord) may charge after running, turbo boosting or outflanking.
6) Child of Terra

Are Ordo Reductor considered cheesy if I go fairly light on the artillery? Was planning on 2 arty tanks and maybe a minotaur in bigger games.

Also, what are cool Mechanicum conversions you have seen? Started work on my Scoria with a Necron Triarch Stalker, Magos Dominus and my Admech bitz box, and I am looking for inspiration for his retinue and for his scenic base.

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>>50282287
The Warsmith may only roll on this table for his Warlord Trait. Units with a Cortex Controller may join units with Cortex Cybernetica.

WARLORD TRAITS: IRON WARRIORS

1) Lord the Breach: Your Warlord is Fearless and he and the squad he is attached to gains Counter attack and Rampage.

2) The Iron Within: Friendly units within 12" of the Warlord gain Stubborn

3) The Iron Without: As long as the Warlord is in the enemy's deployment zone, all friendly units with at least one model within 6" of him gain the Hatred special rule

4) Shatter Defenses: After deployment but before Scout moves and Infiltrators are placed, reduce the cover save of a piece of terrain by -1. Do this 1+D3 times. A particular piece of terrain may be "shattered" more than one time. Pieces of terrain purchased as part of the enemy's army require two "shatterings" in order to be affected once.

5) Master Artillerist: At the start of each shooting phase select one unit. Each of their Heavy and Ordnance weapons gain the Twin Linked and Shell Shock special rules. If the weapon already had Shell Shock and/or Pinning, then it inflicts an additional -1Ld penalty on the enemy.

6) Prepared Ground: After deployment but before Scout moves and Infiltrators are placed, select up to 3 pieces of terrain. The first enemy infantry unit to occupy this terrain piece suffers 2D6 S4 AP5 hits with the Ignores Cover and Pinning special rules. If you are the Attacker then the Warlord has the Shatter defenses trait instead.

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Anyone got ideas on how to make the Calth contemptor look a little more interesting? Any tips before I get the knife and files to it?

>inb4 plastics suck

>>50282551
>Are Ordo Reductor considered cheesy if I go fairly light on the artillery?
Nah. Everything in moderation is good. Besides, they don't get thaaaat much of a bonus. Sure, artillery can be abused, but the actual bonus rules they get are basically Move Through Cover and immunity to Pinning.

>>50282620
I've always seen those holes near the helmet as Mickey Mouse ears.

>>50282454

Nope. I'd expect something like that from the Siege of Terra book.

>>50282454
>>50282706
There is the multiplayer campaign rules from book... 3?

>>50282620
I removed the chest regalia and plan on adding a few rows 2mm acrylic beads/bonding studs to one half and maybe one leg. Also shaved off 1 or 2mm the upper section of the gorget to better expose the head grill. Deciding if I want to fuck with the fingers on the powerfist and add claws or a closed fist or whatever.


still can't decide between iron hands or loyalist IW

>>50282623
Good. I just want enough boom to stop all the long-range weapons the Legions have to advance or be pounded, so that my Thallax, Thralls, Myrmidons and Scoria's Vorax and Castellax can get to effective range.

Also, you know, to explode stuff. Always good.

I've never made a scenic base before, quite hard to think of something cool for a dark archmagos with a Necron Stalker as his bottom half.

>>50281382
When I have an AL army it'll be the normal unit, but painted in AL colours then very thin coats of that legions paint on top or C'tan tech for the WB stuff

>>50282898
Why do people like loyalist IW instead of traitor IW?

>>50283248
kyr motherfucking vhalen and ya boy barabas dantioch

>>50283248
Cooler characters, as well as far more acceptable lore-wise than any other traitor legion, due to the abundance of loyalist IW.

>>50283248
Personally I like spiteful fucks that seem to skirt death so Kyr Vhalen appeals to me as much as characters like Autek Mor and Shadrak Meduson.

Also I'm a cheap fuck that's sitting on a lot of cultists so I want something fluffy to use interchangeably in a 40k chaos army

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>>50283248
Because being a loyalist is objectively better.

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>>50283295
>>50283318
>>50283411
>>50283353

Wow that's a lot of Emprah beta cucks. But what did I really expect.

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What would be a good Iron Warriors Allied detachment for World Eaters.

>>50283791
many pinning weapons, basically supplementary firepower to keep the enemy's heads down while your frothing barbarians close in for choppy

>>50283791
Quad mortars or shrapnel bolters, artillery

>>50279003
EC are giant faggots.
IW's Artillery is for giant faggots.
WE are basically edgelord spacewolves.
SW are for muhancestors retards and furries.
AL are just a tiered fucking meme at this point, I actually played them back when they were all about setting up cults outside the eye of terror and becoming the toughest and the strongest.

>>50284151

But AL with cultists is totally viable in 30k

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>>50284151
Hey new friend. Describe your 5 fav legions the same way

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>>50283248
First and foremost, because loyalist is better. Plain and simple.
Second, because of all the traitor legions, IW are the ones that are the most likely to have loyalists remaining, even in small numbers, what's with putting garrisons on every planet in the middle of Bumfuck, Nowhere.
Third, because it also makes the most sense to have them as loyalists, since SoH just want their Daddy Horus to notice them, TS were slaughtered by the Imperium, DG were slaughtered by the DG, WE are frothing berserkers, WB were humiliated and shaken in their beliefs, EC are flaming faggots that went crazy on space cocaine, NL are rapists and murderers even before turning into a killing machine and who the fuck knows for the AL?
Even without considering the purging that happened in traitor legions, IW are the ones that are the most likely to stay loyalist, as their only actual grudge is that they got shit fights, 24/7. And DG, since they were quite noble in their beliefs, but they were all turned into goo so that makes it harder to fight for Empy.

And then you have cool guys like Valen and Dantioch that clearly don't give a shit about your pansy heresy and just give you the finger, basically taking pride in their former suffering and calling the traitor IW pussies for turning tails and taking the easy way out instead of taking it like men.

So ask yourself, what is there NOT to like in loyalists IW?

>>50284386
i fucking hate this picture
or at least the copy-pasted fire raptors
that shit is just lazy

>>50284432
Dammit, can't unsee. Thanks a lot.

I'm a little annoyed that Black Library only had "a few ships" worth of White Scars leaving the fleet and going rogue. The rest of the would-be traitors accept their suicide missions of penance (with some exceptions, who the Khan executes). So there isn't any very large group of traitor loyalists.

I guess the loyalist traitors aren't in large groups, either, until Caliban.

>>50284217

ALs are just dumb memers, WAACfags and idiots who liked the color scheme

White scars are played by mongolaboos and yet more waacfags who will play literal dildoes to win

Ultramarines are arguably more autistic than even fucking IW and IF

Word bearers have their heads so far up their own ass that it came out of the warp 10k years later

World eaters are alright

Which is better for air-based AA/Tank hunting?

Lightning with 4 kraken, strafing run and tank hunter

-or-

Xiphon Interceptor with strafing run

I'm leaning towards the lightning for the one shot kill potential, but the rotor missile launcher is reusable.

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>>50284386
>And DG, since they were quite noble in their beliefs, but they were all turned into goo so that makes it harder to fight for Empy.
In the arms of an angel...

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>>50284636
>Ultramarines are arguably more autistic than even fucking IW and IF
>World eaters are alright
I seriously question your sanity, pal.
>Word bearers have their heads so far up their own ass that it came out of the warp 10k years later
Kek. Don't bully them, anon.

>>50284641
this gets asked frequently
lightning if you have a spartan that needs deleting
xiphon for actual anti-aircraft/lighter tanks

>>50284677
Well I'm likely going against a spartan/other land raider patterns from salamanders, and I'm not likely to run into many fliers. I just like the reusability and the look of the xiphon than the lightning.

>>50284697
The Xiphon's overcosted unless you're going up against a large number of flyers. But if you like it that much more... just do it. Not everything needs to be optimized.

>>50284659

Dorn didn't write down extensive instructions for all of his fortifications while simultaneously reading terabytes of tactical data

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>>50284871
Indeed he didn't. His marines weren't retards and could actually think for themselves

>>50284888
Were they? Sigismund and his men went on to form the most religious chapter right after the heresy, instantly becoming hypocrites and losing the ability to think for themselves.

*tips fedora* :^)

>>50284916
>Who is Alexis Polux
>What is the Last Wall protocol

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>>50284775
>TFW the Xiphon is the same amount of points as a Fire Raptor, but then with no AV12, half the hullpoints

>>50284659
word bearers exist to be bullied

>>50284888

Actually I think IFs became so independent because they had to succeed DESPITE Dorn...

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>>50285017
>Actually I think IFs became so independent because they had to succeed DESPITE Dorn...

>Be First Captain of the VIIth
>Be one of the most powereful duelists in the galaxy
>An angelic demigod compares you to Death's champion
>You Fear nothing and have Eternal Warrior just because
>Dorn wants you to lead the Retribution fleet
>The best duellist ever wasted on a battlefield where there's no ground to stand on and you may be killed by mortals with better driving skills
>"Nah thx"
>Nigga disowns me and basically evicts me
>Hear about Yonnad getting unceremoniously killed by a warp mishap
>Told ya
>Emps Himself chooses me as His champion
>Dorn says "great, now you don't need to wear my colours anyore
>This_Nigga.remembrancer
>I hope someone chopps his Imperial fist off or something.

>>50285151

Is Sigismund with a respectable amount of Templars in land raiders good

>>50285164
Against anything wearing power armour or worse, sure. If the enemy brings those 2W termies you can swap out some templars for TH/SS termies of your own

>>50285188

Yeah it would definitely need some dedicated AP2 hitters, maybe in a Spartan

>>50285164
I think the Templars don't need Siggy with them to brutalize their preferred targets. Stick him with some TH/SS terminators instead.

>>50285309

Siggy just to make them troops, he can hang out with his top niggas instead of his boys

>>50279003
I can find something to enjoy about every legion but ones I find the least interesting:

-Dark Angels - idk, just not much going on.

-Blood Angels - idk, just don't do it for me.

-Ultramarines - mostly just the name tbqh. Warrior Kings of Ultramar is a mouthful but it at least isn't goofy sounding. Their lore is fine just kinda one note I guess.

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What is everyone working on tonight?

Trying to figure out a way for a cool green glow effect on eyes, but I have two issues impeding my progress.
My hands keep shaking and my 3/0 brush was stored improperly since the last time I painted, messing up the tip.
The eyes look more shit than the rest of the model, but overall for the first time picking up a brush in two months I think I did alright.

>Inb4 shitstorm
Trip only goes on when posting pictures or scans
>scans?
I am working on the BoP painting guide in PDF.

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>>50285513
>I've seen things on Prospero. Things you wouldn't imagine

>>50285572
I tried to do exactly that, but the paint spilled out from the eye sockets.
Maybe next time two, or three thin coats of ceramite white, then the wash of waywatcher green?

In order to play (coming from 40k), what books do I need if I want to play Salamanders or Death Guard? They any good?

Also, what rulebook do I need? There seems to be a bunch of HH books.

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>>50285594
I guess, if green is the colour (You) want. Personally I wouldn't trust the paint guide images that have been circulating as of lately, they look off. Again, if green is what you want. You can always use red.

>>50285605
Those are all answered in the FAQ.

I want to get started, what books do I need?
If you want to play a Space Marine legion of any sort, you will need this book, and maybe another.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Horus-Heresy-Legiones-Astartes-Crusade-Army-List
If you want to play SoH, WE, DG, EC, IH, Salamanders, NL, RG, IF, AL, or IW, you want this bundle
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Horus-Heresy-Legion-Astartes-Gamers-Collection

>>50285648
I've used red before, but I like the contrasting color as compared to the grey, red and black of heresy era space wolves paint scheme.

>>50284217
Person you responded too here.

IF are fucking autists that couldn't even build a fort without getting butthurt.

Blood Angels are for faggots, women and religious fundamentalists and Sanguinius would be a wife beater if he were a man.

Salamanders are for moralfags that think they're so humane and aren't hypocritical retards that burn civilians to death.

IHs are retards and their primarch probably deserved what he got for failing every single one of his sons.

Deathguard are just "i don't need blades to be edgy" the legion and every single person I've ever seen play them has been fat and ugly. Despite the fact I think nurgle/plague marines are awesome I will never fucking touch them because of my nagging self image issues and fear that by engaging heavily with them in a hobby sense I'll some how grow to allow myself to get fat.

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>>50285707

>>50285707
Just what legion are you, anon? II? 11?

>>50285594
Only use a little bit of thinned paint, and just put a little drop on the eye lense and let is spread over the whole thing by itself. Only aid the equal spread of the paint with a brush without any extra paint on it. More layers if the dried result isn't to your liking.

Personally I do eye lenses without any washes, just do the shade colour and then one lighter dot in the foward corner and a white dot in the backwards corner. But that might require a steady hand to feel easyer, can't tell how difficult it's suppose to be.

>>50285770
>But that might require a steady hand to feel easyer
I need to paint around my hands, if you understand what I mean.
They are numb, shaky, and very large, so painting models is awkward and sometimes a struggle with my perfectionist side.
>Thats the story of why I got out of the hobby the first time. I couldn't handle not being a good painter at the age of 14.

>>50285847
You could try resting your hands on the table edge to reduce the shaking. But make shure you don't stoop too much or you'll ruin your back. Putting something on the table to rest your hands on and still be able to hold the model at eye level might actually be a better idea. Just something that provides more solid, steady support than lower arms.

>>50285935
>>50285847
when I worked for workshop, I helped a kid with parkinson's paint

Putting the "heels" of his hands together, and his forearms in contact with the edge of the table helped immensely.

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>>50284432
>Cataphractii Terminator with 4++
>Occupying one of his hands wielding a 5++ shield

>>50285935
>>50286001
Thank you both, I will try.
Up until this point I was planting my elbows and bracing my painting hand with a finger against the other.

>>50286004
This is why the current rules for shields are meh.

Holding another piece of armour whilst encased in tank-quality armour is a bit silly though. Specially in armour that reduces agility so much it becomes a question if you're still able to effectively block without prescience.

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>>50286022
I started painting at the age of 11 and I was god awful at it too. My hands are pretty shaky these days so what I do is rest my wrists on the table edge. I find it helps immensely and I can do clean lines most of the time.

>>50286004
Probably the modeller used it because Stormshields weren't a thing. It's still a mistake because, yeah, 4++.
>>50286046
I like Combat & Boarding shields invulns becoming a useful 5++ in melee. Should a guy in artificer and Iron Halo become 3++ due to wielding a shield? I'm not sure, since that's they legion specific stuff for Salamanders and Fists. I'm not saying no, however.
>Iron Hands with cyber familiars don't give a fuck.

>>50286064
That's one big ass rocket lawn chair.

>>50286104
It was the 90s!

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>>50286143
Didn't say it was a bad thing, anon :^)

>>50286094
I'd like it if shields had some similiar mechanic to Imperial Knights shields during the shooting phase (increased toughness on top of the invul. save would be extra cool)

For CC a block mechanic like being able to choose to cancel enemy hits with your own hits. That way you have to choose between defence and offence, almost like real fighting with a shield. Would need something to balance out full shield units and different amounts of attacks though.

>>50286046
>Holding another piece of armour whilst encased in tank-quality armour is a bit silly though.

How so, spaced armour is a thing.

>>50286022
by "heel" I mean the base of the palm. Can't guarantee it'll help much, but it should reduce some of the shaking.

Another tip, attaching the miniature (with pins), or the base of the miniature (via some poster tack) to a cork may help you get a better grip on it, further reducing any shakes.

>>50286173
Nah, reduce it to decimal numbers and it works very fine from a fluff perspective, at least that's what I do.
I hope I'm making myself understood, but it's not as if I thought a Praetor swings his sword exactly 5 times at another Praetor, who stands there doing nothing while charging his power fist combo. Simply 5 attacks times WS times his Str, AP & Init is the measure in decimal points of his offensive power, and his enemy's WS, T and saves is the deffensive power he must defeat. It's best if you take the numbers and make them fit in the fluff, rather than fitting the fluff into numbers, that's what I'm saying.
The EC relic sword of AI-powered auto-block, however, now that's active blocking, Terry Crewes tier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxZSXyCeXL8

>>50285751

I was asked to describe my favorite legions in the same way I described my least favorite legions.

>>50285751

I have a small BA POTL army.
An Iron hands blitzkrieg army.
And an as yet pauldronless/unpainted BOP box that will be IF when the post comes.

>>50285723
>I was asked to describe my favorite legions in the same way I described my least favorite legions.

http://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/10/27/power-armour-through-the-ages/

Well, there you have it. MkII armor really is the best, though is also the hardest to make.

Which supports My Dudes fluff of outfitting his men in only MkII, as if the Techmarines and himself can repair it, they can repair anything.

>>50286488
Oh, is that the new community site?

I like it, there's even extra scenarios for the boxed games, and the articles are actually really nice.

>>50286528
it is. I expected forums, but I still like what I got. I can hope for some actual forums in the future, but its doubtful.

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>>50286488
I love it. I hope they have a similar article for the different iterations of Stormtroopers. I liked the face mask ones that appear in DoW
>The winged skulls stayed around, but, according to design legend, all the gemstones were stolen by the Eldar.
Those poncy Elves!
>The MK. III helmet was loosely based on a medieval frog-mouthed helm
Doesn't look like it.

>>50286663
>Doesn't look like it.
they're probably talking about bascinets, rather than tournament great helms

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>>50286663
I can see it.

Combine the MkII visor with the bulk of the MkIII, and make the grill solid, and you'd get something roughly along these lines.

>>50286704
Bscinets are MkVI, and iirc, a complete coincidence.

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>>50286704
Eh, bascinets strike me as MkVI. I was thinking more about something like, I don't know the name, Close helmet? Armet? The one Heath Ledger wears in Knight's tale.
What would you call this one. Imperial Fist MkII?
>>50286809
Nah. Close helmet

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>>50286809
cont.
MkIII gives me the impression you could pull the face grill upwards, like a slightly different version of this helmet, but including the eye-holes in the moving part.

>>50286819
Yeah, that's good too.

>>50286850
I can see that as well.

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>>50286861
Here, MkVI Fenrisian pattern! Wolves being a mistake is left to your consideration.

>>50286488
And, once again, MkV is turned into "what would it be senpai?", "just fuck my shit up", "gotcha" suit, while the 7e SM codex cards upheld the old fluff of it being a specific design.

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>>50286888
Wasn't it created in the battlefield by techmarines using bonding stud techniques after astartes vs astartes combat demonstrated they needed armour resilient to their own weapons while being able to scavenge parts due to MkIV spare parts not being readily available, yet still waiting on the release of Corvus armour?
Will we read about the bulldog face and why it looks like Indomitus?

>>50286939
Nah mate, bulldog MkV is a production suit, mish-mash armor is non-production MkV.

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>>50286939
No, it was a deliberate design created to answer the call of more suits with the limited resources available.

It used the simpler and easier to make solid plate armour of the MkIV along with older type armour systems that most factories and manufacturers were more familiar with and were able to make.

>Will we read about the bulldog face and why it looks like Indomitus?

That's been out for decades, it's because the helmet was based on the Indomitus design.

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>>50286973
(1/2) It all depends...

>>50287011
Yeah that's what I was trying to say. It was a product of a new need imposed by the brutality of astartes vs astartes combat and limited supply
> it's because the helmet was based on the Indomitus design.
Oh, so Indomitus came first, gotcha.
I mean, the Tartaros helmet is based on MkIV, which is in turn based on the MkIII's angled faceplate. And both MkIV and Tartaros were late Great Crusade additions.
Also, it's damn hard to read the right side, srry.

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>>50286973
(2/2) ...on whether the crotch is studded or not

>>50287063
>so Indomitus came first

FW has said very clearly that Tartaros, Saturnine and Indomitus were developed around the same time, but independent of one another.

>>50287063
>it's damn hard to read the right side

If someone has the limited edition 7e codex with the card, do provide scans. This is the best I can find online.

>>50287102
As in "Indomitus came before MKV", not before terminator suits in genral. And Tartaros is state of the art terminator suit, so it came after the Cataphractii, along with the then-state of the art MkIV.

>>50287134
I'm clarifying to you, that the fact that Indomitus came before MkV has been the case for a long time. And I said nothing about the Cataphractii or terminator armour in general, I said "Tartaros, Saturnine and Indomitus". Those variants came out, according to FW, around the same time and were developed independently of one another.

>>50287166
>I'm clarifying to you, that the fact that Indomitus came before MkV has been the case for a long time
That's what I've been saying since >>50287063, anon, so let's leave it at that :)

>>50286488
MK IV still listed as 'more efficient' than MK II though.

MK IV superior armour race confirmed.

>>50287284
More efficient, but not the most effective.

>>50284386

>So ask yourself, what is there NOT to like in loyalists IW?

So your argument is, if you get shit on just take pride in it and keep being a total total obedient cuck? What kind of story is that?

>>50287284
Mark iv still has best helm of all marks.

>>50287420
I can't get into the weird, little snout. I like Mk II and III the most.

Are IW Tyrant Siege terminators Elite or Heavy Support choices? It mentions them as elite on one page and heavy on the other, and I couldn't find an answer in the FAQ because i'm blind?

>>50287401
If you believe in something, i.e. the importance of the crusade and the greatness of man, soldier on. If you wish to destroy that which you worked and died for and leave it as ruins, go get posessed by daemons and suck that chaos juice. If your deadbeat dad suddenly turns up and gets you to kill your brother, then tells you to betray your friends, then get fucked up the ass by daemons, you have no option for calling anyone else a cuck

>>50287467
Wow, you *really* care about this don't you?

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>>50287401
Loyal IWs believe in the mission and nothing else. And suddenly your unloving father and his deranged brothers now seek to cast down all humanity has achieved and hold sucking daemonic dick as their one true goal. We may be autistic foul-mouthed shell-shocked bitter niggas, yet even us can see the madness of such endeavour. AND IT MAKES US SO DAMN MAD. Our legion's misuse doesn't compare to the traitors' heresies and their desires to be slaves to daemons.

>>50287446
MkII a best.

>>50287463
HS.

>>50287511
Nah, i'm a WE, i dont even play IW, but i think Perty was the worst primarch and i wonder why so many of his sons followed him. Wouldve been good if a Primarch was abandoned by their legion
oh wait dark angels

>>50287467
>>50287527
Thats a lot of RL daddy issues seeping in to your gaming, buckos

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>>50287558
>Tfw you leave for a while and when you come back it turns out your estranged father had returned, but he's mad, convinced your legion to stick nails in their heads, is trying to kill your Emperor, has destroyed worlds you brought into compliance, undoing your works, and is now a literal red daemon
In this Age of Darkness everybody is having a rather shity day

>>50287401
Yes, clearly turning on humanity's protector and becoming willing Slaves to Darkness is the best option here.

>>50282633
great, first it was the face eagle robotnik mustache, and now contemptor mickey mouse ears... soon I wont be able to take anything in the space marine lineup seriously anymore

>>50287679
I would say in terms of the story, yeah. Its not real life kid, its fun to be chaotic evil. Why would you want to be a boring daddy's boy in a fucking imaginary war game if you're a boring law abiding nobody in real life as well? Whats the fun in that!?

>>50287789
>daddy's boy
But being Daddy's Boy would involve following Perty. The traitors are the Daddy's boys

>>50287822
>replace daddy's boy with any other derogatory term you wish
Doesn't change the truth of the argument as a whole ... son.

>>50287789
Because holding the moral high ground is important? Or maybe I just don't want to be hollowed out and driven around by a daemon from not-Hell.

>>50287882
>refuse stupid orders, dont be an asshole, protect the stuff you worked to build
>work for your asshole sperm donor father and get fucked by daemons
I mean, i just dont understand why you would want to follow a depressed wannabe artist who tries to consort with daemons to ruin civilisation. You don't even have schmick waffen uniforms

>>50287924
>>50287952

So do you guys just run loyalist vs loyalist training simulations all the time because you all want to play the good guys? Someone has to have the fun of playing the decepticons. Also

>moral high ground

Yeah go talk to Guilliman about your moral high ground kek

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Half of you guys are getting trolled and the other half baited

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>Found myself hesitant to buy FW assault marines because they were too expensive dollar wise
>realized that they're only $4 more than normal assault marines

Huh.

MkV or MkII?

>>50288090
MkII. Those assault marines look great, especially with the jump pack straps they have.

What legion?

>>50288154

Meme legion, either would work as there's art of AL Mk2 assault marines and they loved MkV as much as anyone else.

MkII does look pretty sweet

>>50288090
>people kept telling me I should buy B@C marines and give them jump packs from Sanguinary guard 'because it's not stupid expensive'
>upon doing the math it would have been almost twice the cost of FW assault marines

It's strange but some kits from FW don't compare that bad to GW counterparts at all.

I know Chaos Daemons are 30k legal, but what about KdK?

>>50288090
I say V because I'm partial to the rivets, the jump packs are more interesting, and they look like more agile jump troops.

>>50278702
>Join artillery unit
>can't direct their fire better
What the hell

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>>50288223
So would you say you find rivets rather ...

Riveting

>>50288212
Nope.

>>50285513
>scans require trip
Yep scanon used a trip, so did I and so did the guy that originally posted the painting guide

So how do I make a scenic base for my Scoria? I know what I am doing for the model, but I've never built a complicated base before and I'm all out of ideas.
He's going to be a Magos in a converted Triarch Stalker, so his footprint is a bit big for the normal base.

>>50288090

Alas, here in Brexitland I can get plastic assault marines for notmuch more than £18, while FW resin is £36. Irritating when I need about 30 of the fuckers.

Is master of mankind out? Any download links?

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>>50284636
> dumb memers

>>50283791
all of the artillery

>>50288196
>It's strange but some kits from FW don't compare that bad to GW counterparts at all.

It all depends on what you want. Sure, GW and FW terminators, for example, are pretty much the same, but FW ones gets you just the bodies while GW ones let you have weapons and options.

>inb4 "m-muh opshuns!"

Personally I went with MkVI with Mark 7 jump packs, since they were used during HH and I like the look.

>>50290460

That's not a bad idea, where did you get your Mk6 parts from?

>>50291012
Plastic MkVI bits from bits stores and jump pack kits from GW.

>>50291107

Any decent bits store you'd recommend for US?

How the fuck do you deal with drop pod spam when playing vs 40k sm? INB4 dontplay aginst 40k i play alpha legion, and just got my arse handed to me by a 5 DP list

>>50291179
Augury Scanners, interceptor in general, mechanicum allies, counter-podding, null deployment/no space for pods to land

>>50291179

Outflank everything.

Deredeos. Armored ceramite.

dont fucking play 40k

All else fails, unleash the CHOOM

>>50291179
Augery scanners, augery scanners everywhere.

>>50291204
>CHOOM
wot

>>50291215
>>50291201
fucking. scanners. how did i forget these exist. bugger my butt.
thanks guys

>>50291231
>CHOOM
onomatopoeia for Volkite. Dunno why he suggested it, its only average against MEQ
>bugger my butt
No anon, thats for the drop pods to do

>>50291257

I was specifically recommending a Glaive for maximum bunched up marine killing

https://www.ebay.com/itm/162279136597

Well, prices are around CCoN but a bit higher than z's.

Apparently reviews are pretty good, only negative reviews come from idiots who were surprised it was a recast.

Is this the dawn of the age of the Russiaman

>>50291231
Also don't forget the coils + explorator web + autilon skorr combo.

See how he enjoys 6+ reserve rolls

>>50291298
>enjoys 6+ reserve rolls
with 5 pods, 3 still get to come down first turn
fucking pods

>>50291337
But he's gonna need those last 2 once you loaded up on augury scanners.

>>50291337
What was in his pods? Unless he was running the bullshit relentless dev squad formation, there shouldnt be that much he can do

Where's the best place to buy Custodes seperately lads?

>>50291400
well he was running sallies, and had about a million meltas and flamers, all TL and MC thanks to the special sallies decurion/vulkan he'stan.

basically, he came down with 2 tacs (whch he combat squaded) and a melta command squad (which i managed to wipe off with an intercepting contemptor mortis BRRRRRT mother fucker, at which point he picked those modes, threw them into the corner, an threw a mini tantrum, about how fucked he was)

The combination of a millon spcial wepaon, and his grav cents (oh yes) AND his knight acheron, basically alpha struck my sicaran,seekers and vindicator with LDA, and he used the whirlwind/land speeder formation to grind my infantry into the dust. all on turn one. by turn two, i was tabled

i know i lacked transports, but still, i was a bit surprised by the whole affair

>>50291493
>lacked transports
>LA
You're an idjit, rhinos are great
>grav cents and Knight Acheron in a decurion
I take that back, your opponent was an asshole and there was no way you could win that. What points level?

>>50291493

>I ran all infiltrating footslog alpha legion against 40k

>why did I lose

Ok

>>50291520
2K, didn't expect him to have knights or cents, i have seen him around, seems to be always looking for a game, but rarely playing. now i know why.

i know i need more transports, unfortunately, i am a poor fag, so i am just trying to use what i have. The vindicator with LDA was a rhino i was proxing, so i think i will use that from now on, save on points

that and invest in armoured cermite

>>50291598
thats not what i asked, i asked how you deal with pods.

TMYK

>>50291640

>how to deal with pods

Don't run foot slog marines against 40k, that's how

>>50291640
>how you deal with pods.
When its A) 40k decurion, B) minmaxed and has a Knight/gravcents and C) you're running a footslogging AL legion and are too poor to buy yourself any toys, you simply dont. You instead refuse the game. What was your 2k list, btw? I'm guessing it was a double calth set with contemptor mortis/dualfist cortus?

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>salamanders are too much of moralfags to use destroyers or moritats

>instead prefer to inflict the most agonizing death possible with flame throwers

>>50292315
At least flame doesn't pollute the ground for decades. But I think their Techmarines still use rad grenades and their servitors use rad missiles? Those guys don't give much of a fuck.

Besieging en Paramar

>>50292315
Man, I always used to imagine that when I was younger.

Good times.

>>50292315
I did picture related two days ago, still funny.

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>talked myself into buying Mk2 assault marines
>starting to appreciate how sleek Mk4 assault marines look

Help

>>50292315
Flame simply burns. It wont make children born in the area mutants. It wont poison you. It wont taint the lands and the crops that grow there with poison. It wont salt the earth.

It's agonizing. But it's a clean weapon. One people living on a volcano planet wouldn't see as particularly grim, in the same way we don't think of drowning as particularly grim unless we stop and think about it.

hell, fire will even dispose of bodies, disease and reinvigorate soil and plants.

>>50292583
I agree with most of your comment, but you can swim to avoid drowning, and water won't disfigurate you on touch.
>Swimming in fire

>>50292662
*Usually* you can swim. Unless you can't, of course

>>50292569
You are going to have the most powerful power armor mark and you are going to like it.

MkII a best.

Besides, the MkIV ones don't use the 30k armor set, for some reason. They're remarkably different from the regular 30k ones.

>>50292804

The Aquila on the front is pretty odd but the extra chest plate doesn't bother me

>>50292583
This is why I prefer the Admech humanities approach:
"Try to stop massive loss of civilian life but if you can't that's fine too".

Speaking of the Mechanicum, is there a canonical Xana II livery and if so what's a good way to paint it? Working on my Scoria conversion now.

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>>50292832
Scoria did patent the Bearversor several threads ago.

As we're on page 9 with this thread, quick reminder that there is a /hhg/ thread currently below the bump limit:
>>50259922
>>50259922
>>50259922
...so there's no need to make a new one just yet. It'd be just spiffing if we could see our way to not having two /hhg/ threads up simultaneously for the third day running, so let's get back to only having one /hhg/ on the board at a time.