/swg/ - Fall In For Inspection! Edition

>>49680090
>>49680090
our local meta is very high PS heavy, so i will either go VI, or something completely different.

>except for Stealth Device on Brath.
why, what's wrong with it? what would you suggest in order to increase his survivability?

>If he gets stressed, he becomes too predictable
i don't know about that, as the only red maneuvres are 1 and 2 turns, plus a white k-turn as an extra 'fuck you' to anyone trying to out-fly him.

that being said i could see this list working pretty well with predator and TIE MK2 over VI and stealth device, but seeing how i will very likely encounter high PS ships i REALLY wanna make sure i get to shoot first

there is this guy here who runs this 3 PS9 rebel list. super annoying as it is based around spiking out your most expensive ship with torps and then win off the back of that.

Star Wars for 5th Edition.pdf

Changes:

Distance:

Use meters instead of feet’s. If you use rules from the core book then you only halve the number of feet’s

to meter. (1 square is 2.5 meter)

Energy damage:

Just a new damage type used for, energy weapons and lightsabers.

Proficiencies:

Every weapon from D&D 5th edition is now simple weapons and all-star was weapons except lightsaber is

martial weapons.

Thieves’ tools are now called slicers kit

Arcane is replaced with The Force

Religion is replaced with Galactic Lore

Mechanics is a new intelligence based Skill, soldier and scoundrel can chose it with their class skill.

Classes:

Barbarian

Renamed: Primitive

Wealth: 500 credits.

Your Rage’s damage resistance also applies to Energy damage.

New Primal path: Force sensitive Primitive. Functions as the Force sensitive Soldier

Bard, Cleric, Druid, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, Sorcerer, Warlock, and Wizard.

You cannot play them

>>49680284
Fighter

Renamed: Soldier

Wealth: 1250 credits.

Eldritch knight renamed to Force Sensitive Soldier

Your force using ability is Charisma.

You don’t get Weapon bond and Arcane Charge. But you start with 3 1

st level Force powers and gain an

extra in level 5, 15 and 20 in addition to the one in level 10.

You may prepare a number of powers equal to 1/3 your soldier level + your Charisma bonus, rounded down

(minimum of one Power).

Also cantrips are now known as 1st level powers, and 1

st level power slots and 2nd level power slot,

>>49680300
Rogue

Renamed: Scoundrel

Wealth: 1000 credits.

Thief

Use magic Device Replaced by Extreme Sneak: you now have an advantage on Dexterity (Stealth) checks

even if you move at full speed.

Arcane Trickster Renamed to Force Sensitive Scoundrel.

Your force using ability is Charisma.

Mage Hand Legerdemain Renamed to Move object Legerdemain and functions with move object the same

why as Mage Hand did.

You do not gain versatile Trickster or Spell Thief, but you do gain an extra 1

st level Force Power in level 5, 15

and 20 in addition to the one in level 10

You may prepare a number of powers equal to 1/3 your Scoundrel level + your Charisma bonus, rounded

down (minimum of one Power)

>>49680309
>>49680300
>>49680284

1) fix your formatting jesus christ
2) just stop, if someone wants to star wars in d20, there are already ways to do that

>>49680309
Force Wielder

A force user specialized in melee combat.

Class Features:

Hit points

Hit Dice: 1d8 per Force Wielder level

Proficiencies:

Armor: None

Weapons: Simple weapons, and all Martial Melee weapons.

Tools: None

Saving Throws: Strength, Dexterity

Skills: Choose two from Acrobatics, Athletics, History, Insight, Galactic Lore, The Force, Stealth

Wealth: 500 credits.

Unarmored Defense

beginning at 1st level, while you are wearing no

armor and not wielding a shield, your AC equals

10 + your Dexterity modifier + your Charisma

modifier.

Force User

beginning at 1st level, you have learned to draw

on The Force through meditation. You may

prepare a number of 1st level Force Powers as

shown on the Force Wielder table; does powers

can be used as many times you want as long as

you don’t use a higher level Force power slot to

activate them

>>49680337
Preparing and using Force powers 2

nd and higher

level force Powers the Force Wielder table shows

how many Force Power slots you have to activate

your Force powers. To use one of your force

powers of 2nd level or higher, you expend a

number of force points to create a power slot of a

given level, and then us that slot to use a power.

You can't reduce your force points total to less

than 0, and you regain all spent force point when

you finish a short rest. You prepare the list of

Force powers that are available for you to use,

choosing from the Force Power list. When you do

so, choose a number of force powers equal to

your Charisma modifier + 1/3 your Force Wielder

level, rounded down (minimum of one power).

The powers must be of a level for which you have

Force power slots. For example, with a Charisma

of 14, your list of prepared powers can include

four powers of 2nd or 3rd level, in any

combination. If you prepare the 2nd

-level Force

Power Force Speed, you can use it using a 2

nd

-

level or a 3rd

-level slot. Using the Power doesn’t

remove it from your list of prepared Powers. You

can change your list of prepared powers when

you finish a long rest. Preparing a new list of

Force Powers requires time spent in meditation:

at least 1 minute per force power level for each

Power on your list.

Force using Ability

Charisma is your Force using ability for your Force

power, since their power derives from the

strength of your convictions. You use your

Charisma whenever a Force Power refers to your

power using ability. In addition, you use your

Charisma modifier when setting the saving throw

DC for your Force powers you use and when

making an attack roll with one.

>>49680346
Power saving throw DC = 8 + your proficiency

bonus + your Charisma modifier

Power attack modifier = your proficiency bonus +

your Charisma modifier

Battle Strike

starting at 2nd level, when you hit a creature with

a melee weapon attack, you can expend one

Force Power slot to deal extra damage to the

target, in addition to the weapon’s damage. The

extra damage is 2d8 for a 2nd

-level Power slot,

plus 1d8 for each power level higher than 2nd, to

a maximum of 6d8.

Unarmored Movement

starting at 2nd level, your speed increases by 5

meter while you are not wearing armor or

wielding a shield. This bonus increases when you

reach certain levels, to +7.5 meter in level 6 +10

meter in level 10 +12.5 meter in level 14, and +15

meter in level 18

At 9th level, you gain the ability to move along

vertical surfaces and across liquids on your turn

without falling during the move.

Fighting Style

you adopt a particular style of fighting as your

specialty. Choose one of the following options.

You can’t take a Fighting Style option more than

once, even if you later get to choose again.

Dueling

when you are wielding a melee weapon in one

hand and no other weapons, you gain a +2 bonus

to damage rolls with that weapon.

Great Weapon Fighting

when you roll a 1 or 2 on a damage die for an

attack you make with a melee weapon that you

are wielding with two hands, you can reroll the

die and must use the new roll, even if the new

roll is a 1 or a 2. The weapon must have the two-
handed or versatile property for you to gain this

benefit.

>>49680325
I think your rite the formating is off form pdf to post.

Here is the pdf for those interested in a good Star wars Rpg.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5EdwATdXj8XVGJvcEItNV9Xc3M/view

When did /tg/ start becoming heavily infested by /pol/?

>>49680366
Star wars d20 already exists.

Also FFG's dicepool system is better so fuck off

>>49680372

Election year traffic spike leaking out into the other boards

>>49680247
I've run Rex with a mini swarm before, though I went crack swarm and hull/Juke/x7

Stealth Device is usually a trap unless you have token stacks and/or palp. Green dice suck, after all.

>>49680372
Thanks to the election, the imbeciles of /pol/ think they're justified in spreading their idiocy to a world that doesn't want them.

>>49680382
Seconded, stop using dnd for everything.

>>49680366
>I think your rite the formating is off form pdf to post.
1) fix your spelling jesus christ

>>49680403
hm, there is truth in what you say, so i might actually just go predator/tie mk2 instead. not a fan of hull upgrade.

>>49680509
It's filler and a guaranteed extra hp. Stealth Device can fail on the first shot, 1 hull is just 1 hull.

Predator I like on Rex, that's what I took on him when I got top 8 at regionals 2(?) years ago, whenever Defenders first came out.

Rebel PS9 alpha strike is going to be slow/predictable as fuck Xs and Bs, I'm assuming, so you don't even have to out-PS them. Blocking to deny actions is easy enough and normal ties rip them apart. If you want to be cheeky, Vader/Fel and a healthy bid means he can't touch you, or just go VI/engine Chirpy.

>>49680569
it was 2 X wings and airen cracken i believe, one of the X-wings was biggs, and i can't remember the other guy, but airen cracken at adaptability.
but i think the main reason why it worked so well against me was that 1: i simply didnt see it coming , and 2: i played a y-wing list

>1 hull is just 1 hull
exactly why i don't like it. while 1 extra hull is nice, it doesn't do anything more, and that for 4 points unless maybe you have shield regen

>>49680500
I think that's the idea. In the same way modern vehicles are overly bulky and try to 'look cool as fuck' by putting vents everywhere (I assume you haven't seen the 2016 Mustang) more than being functional.

It's why the current Dodge Charger is literally a mom car.

>>49680247
>i don't know about that, as the only red maneuvres are 1 and 2 turns, plus a white k-turn as an extra 'fuck you'
Which is fine until some smart bugger brings Tactician, Flechette Torpedoes, Rebel Captive etc... to the table.

>>49680845
It's 3 points, but yeah it's never my first choice of upgrade. I've played with interceptors forever, and if you give me the choice of an extra hull or rolling more of those fucking asshole green dice, I take the sure thing every time.

>>49680372
OP here. Do you mean the image? No /pol/, not even Murrican, just thought it had a neat renaissance feel to it so went with the whole 'military' theme for the thread. After all, a bunch of Star Wars focuses on the military of various factions...

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My AoR players blindsided me with the most awesome reference ever.

The pilot got his hands on a old swingwing Z-95 mk.1a few sessions ago (stole it from a starfighter scrapyard) and he and the engineer decided to add some modifications. They gave me a note with a bunch of stuff they wanted to add/modify during downtime including
>extra engine
>enhanced powerplant
>replace wing blasters with pop-down hidden rotary cannon
>enlarge ordinance bay for more types of missiles
>stealth system scavenged from a downed a-wing (from the same scrapyard they stole the Z-95 from)
>cockpit elongated to make room for copilot
>two rear maneuvering surfaces to get better in-atmo agility
They also named the soon-to-be-modded Z-95 "TurboNexu"

For those of you who don't get the reference, see spoiled pic

>>49681153
nah your chill

>>49680125
Hah I only just realized the soldier on the far right is Boyega.

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>>49681162
Sounds cool

At some point I'd like to see some aspiring PC's put together a proper recon bird... not just any recon ship, but the fastest motherfucker ever build. Put together by the craziest spice addled characters channelling the lunacy of 1960s aeropsace engineers with a bullshit top speed, cortosis hull to stop it burning up in atmospheres and a sensor suite pumping out enough juice that could fry mynocks out of the sky.

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>>49681428
So basically, one of these babies, except with a tougher hull, more advanced sensors, and bigger, SLAM'd engines?

A SLAM'd Eta-2 with hull upgrades, sensor upgrades, and a shield generator?

The Sundered Heart with a beefed up sensor suite and a SLAM hooked up to every single one of its already ludicrously powerful engines?

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>>49681594
Yeah the J-Type would fit the role.
Just chuck all the extraneous shit out of it, room for 2 + Droids, load up the most fuckhuge engines ever with SLAM. Monster sensor suite, manoeuvring thrusters, long range comms, decoy drones, good hyperdrive and a crazy ECM system.

In modern warfare the recon bird kind of got replaced by satellites, but in something like space warfare I reckon they'd still have a place.

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>>49681691
>I reckon they'd still have a place
There's a reason why Longprobe Y-wings remained in use for years after the baseline Ys were retired. A-wings were also frequently used for recon roles. Hell, the very first A-wing mission in X-Wing was a recon run just to demonstrate how blisteringly fast you could go.

Seconding the thread, stop using DnD for everything, and even then, DnD 5e isn't even particularly good.
There's SW d20 if someone wants it THAT bad, and FFG's system is just dope anyway.

>>49680433
I'd imagine that water being heavier makes the shock wave hit you harder. No actual idea though.

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>>49681732
Yeah I am disappoint they Longprobe hasn't made an appearance in the FFG RPG
In prior games they where always a fav for PC's that needed a bit of a tactical fighter, guess throwing out the ion turret, co-pilot seat and adding long-range sensors is all thats needed.

So, the Minstrel Class Star Yacht has space for 6 fighters and 2 (Small) shuttles) would an ARC-170 take up more than a standard fighter's space?

>>49681800
Nah, just leave it generic. If it has 6 x Sil 3 and don't worry too much about the metric size bits

>>49681428
Mine did something similar with a HWK-1000

The bloody thing was Speed 6 and had the Ionic Turbine to boost it to Speed 7, that thing could outspeed Interceptors

>>49680433
>>49681772
water (and most other liquids, as far as i know), doesn't compress under pressure.
a lot of the energy of a blast in a gasseuos environment (like air) is lost in the compression of the medium, whereas in a liquid medium all of your energy disperses outwards, in other words: your blast.

>>49681777
I'd love to get a Longprobe title for the XWM Y-wing
Maybe have it remove torp and turret slots but add either two System slots or System + extra Mod slot.

In the pack would be a system that lets you check a enemy dial if you have a TL on it and a Longprobe-Only System that waives the Torp+Missile requirement for Long-Range Scanners

Put in a pilot that can hand out TLs like candy to friendly and you have a neat Longprobe Y-wing upgrade box

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>HotR is still not released.
JUST

What's /swg/ think of Star Wars Destiny?

>>49681162
You bastard! that his me right in the nostalgia!

If anyone still doesn't get it click here for another hint: => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqdEGDM2UoY

>>49681224
>Tfw you realize that Assault the Block is why he was recruited as a guardsmen once the IG got there, and he panicked when having to kill nonagressive humans even if they were cultists.

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>>49682393
I'm really into it: the dice are sweet, the game looks tight, and it's going to be fun as fuck. People are pre-judging it as DOA due to its format, but I have faith in FFG to keep it all kosher.

Plus how nice is this card art?

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You guys probably don't care any more than /wip/, but I finished painting IG-88 for Imperial Assault this morning.

>>49682313
When is it supposed to come out now?

Is the delay being caused by hanjin going bankrupt?

>>49680125

Does anyone have a link to the edited version of the TFA trailer where the Boyega's appearance shot, the one where he pops up from the bottom of the screen and runs, is superimposed (sometimes multiple times at once) into the other scenes?

I saw it and now I can't find it.

>>49682723
Nice looking team, anon. I don't play that format so I can't comment on its efficiency, but it looks tight.

>>49682771
IG-88 is terrible in skirmish, and I would never bring him in campaign unless he automatically shows up in a mission. Still, it was an easy miniature to paint.

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Could the Batwing from Arkham City work for the Blade-type fighters of Adumar or do we already have them established as looking like something else?

>>49682728
There has never been a set release date for Heroes of the Resistance. I think they might have been prodded into previewing it far too early. Disney needed X products from them for May 4th, and they had to show things that were still miles away from completion.

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>>49682851
>They were large for single-pilot fighters. They were longer than an X-wing by almost half, their bows ending in sharp points. Behind the cockpit, their fuselages split into odd dual-tail assemblies joined by horizontal bars at the rear. The wings, which crossed behind the fuselage just behind the cockpit, were broad where they joined the fighter-craft but narrowed like a vibroblade to a sharp point at the tips.

Source: Starfighters of Adumar Ch. 2

Not sure about the Batwing. I'm reminded of a pointier two-man P-61 Black Widow without the propellers.

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>>49682851
Something like this instead?

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>>49682962
I've always envisioned them as a scaled up one-seater DeHavilland Vampire

>>49683045
>one-seater
Don't most Blades have space for a rear gunner? IIRC, the autogunner setting is just a backup mode for undermanned squads.

>>49677015

Top Lel is not an informative show, it's an entertainment show. They got caught (and admitted to) weighting the Robin in their Reliant Robin episode so it would roll more. Not that they don't roll.

Just once I'd like to open an /swg/ thread and not find it full of cars or WWII planes. Just once.

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I've been here before talking about an idea for running a post Endor SW RPG that follows my own cannon that may parallel elements of EU and New Cannon without necessarily following either.
Well I had to consider how I would depict the NJO.

Here's what I got for things the NJO will do differently from the OJO:

>Members who join the order must make that choice themselves.
The thinking here being that by having it be a strictly voluntary its members will be more dedicated to the ideals of the Jedi order, as opposed to taking them at childhood where they had these ideals thrust upon them whether they like it or not, risks having members of the order who are possibly resentful of it.

>Emotion is not the enemy, only obsession.
Thought here: Repressing one's emotions is not healthy, any psychiatrist will tell you that, by trying to repress these feelings they could fester into something dark, or leave you unprepared to handle these feelings later. It's okay to be angry, or scared, as much as it's okay to feel joy or love. The challenge here is to still be able to recognize in yourself when these feelings are turning into something negative and addressing it. Even dispassion can lead to the dark side if it is left unchecked, as it can turn to apathy.

> forming relationships outside the order is both allowed and even encouraged.
I believe This was a huge misstep of the OJO, as its those loved ones that can create an emotional anchor to help keep us from going down a darker path. It also makes members live within the galaxy rather than outside of it. By preventing bonds like this from forming the OJO wound up cloistering themselves within their temple and becoming more and more disconnected from the rest of the galaxy, and how can you expect to keep peace in the galaxy if you no longer understand it's workings?

I realize that this is my own imagining so I could do whatever I want, but I still want to know how a more die hard SW fan would feel about these changes?

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>>49683328
You're honestly not doing much more than emulating the classic Legends NJO (when the NJO is handled by a good writer). And that's not a bad thing. A chill, bro-tier NJO is best NJO.

>>49683328
All that is pretty much what the NJO already did in the old canon though actually.
Luke didn't follow the old order's way of doing shit because in-universe he didn't have a lot of info to work with and so just made stuff up as he went off of what he remembered his teachings were like, and out of universe because the new Jedi had been established for years before we even knew anything ABOUT the old Jedi Order.

>>49683328
Luke Skywalker's Jedi Jungle Summer Camp best camp, GOTYAY, 11111/10

>>49683295
wheredoyouthinkweare.holo

>>49683383
>All that is pretty much what the NJO already did in the old canon though actually.
>You're honestly not doing much more than emulating the classic Legends NJO
I didn't know, having never read any of the EU books personally, though I'm glad to hear that this is not necessarily a bad thing either.

>>49683295
...why? How does that even make sense?

>>49682851
That looks more like a souped up Z-95. Doesn't look different much from Mara Jade's one.

>>49683452
>>49683468
Dammit guys I never thought I'd tell someone to go back to fucking >>>/n/ of all places but here we are!

>>49683328
That's pretty much exactly Luke's NJO, though

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>>49682814
Why you gotta playa hate on IG-88?

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>>49683456
Yeah, the NJO is at its best when it's laid back and down-to-earth. /swg/'s image of an ideal Jedi Order is pretty much Luke Skywalker, Kyle Katarn, Rahm Kota, and Jolee Bindo sitting in a gentleman's club with glasses of whisky, trading stories and laughing it up. Sometimes Mara comes in and provides raunchy commentary on her and Luke's incredibly active and kinky love life.

>>49683295
Where do you think lucas got his inspiration from?

>>49683689
Old samurai movies and a brief skimming of Campbell's 'Hero With A Thousand Faces.'

Where his propmasters and effects team got their inspiration is anyone's guess.

>>49683746
Also Dambusters and World War 2 Pacific Theater footage.

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>>49682393
I still don't know what it is

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>>49682719
>sexy card art
You're goddamn right about that.

>>49683993
Official:
>https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/7/29/star-wars-destiny/
Demo
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uufCn6aBokw
Wikia
>http://star-wars-destiny-card-game.wikia.com/

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>>49683683
C-can we have that?

>>49684018
I'm human scum, is there a tl;dr?

Any big guy got the Star Wars Propaganda: A History of Persuasive Art in the Galaxy he can leak? We've been lacking in scans as of late.

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>>49684049
It's a hybrid card/dice game where you build a team of characters (or mooks) from the movies, a deck of 30 cards. And then you fight them by rolling aforementioned dice and playing aforementioned cards in combinations to deal damage to your opponents team of characters.

Some folks compare it to Dice Masters, but that comparison is surface-level only. The game has as much difference from Dice Masters as it has similarities to it.

>>49684029
The whisky or the smut? If it's the latter, I'm woefully unprepared and lack the obligatory copypasta.

>>49684255
The entire thing, I want a comfy as fuck comic about the NJO.

>LGS is running it's first X-Wing tournament on Sunday.
I have no idea what sort of meta I should be expecting, much less what kind of list I should bring.

>>49684350
Bring what you're comfortable playing and expect anything.

>>49684368
seconding this. fly the list you always go back to and enjoy flying

>>49684350
If you don't know what to expect, then they can't know what to expect from you. Run something you like and acknowledge that you just likely won't win your first tournament ever and that's okay.

To the... possibly 3 armada players on SWG right now, I got a Tweaked Rebel list and I'd like some input on it:

Admiral: General Dodonna
Objectives: Most Wanted, Fleet Ambush, Minefields.
Ships:
>Mc80 Battle Cruiser
Mon Karren, SW-7 ion batteries, XI7 Turbolasers, Spinal Armament.
>Nebulon-B Support Refit
Salvation, Tactical Expert, Turbolaser reroute circuits
>Nebulon-B support Refit
Tactical Expert, Slaved turrets
>MC90 corvette B
Jaina's Light, Intel Officer, Overload Pulse.

Fighters:

Y-Wing x2
X-Wing x3

Thoughts? Input?

So, fellow XWM fags... I bought the "dead on arrival" Tie/sf, and ran Quickdraw in a list with Omega Leader, Zeta Leader, and Zeta Ace last night. My opponent fielded Asajj, and a pair of PS 3 Crackshot Fang Fighters.

I'm putting this out there right now, the SF is not a shit-tier ship. This thing is pretty nice, and fills an interesting slot for Empire. My build for Quickdraw was Rage, Tie Mk2, Special Forces title, and Electronic Baffles. It flew like a kamikaze comet and burned up in a blaze of glory, the highlight of which was ending up at Range 1 to Asajj, using Rage, turning one of the Stress tokens into damage and instantly firing with 4 dice, and then turning around and attacking again during the combat step! All said and done, Quickdraw dealt a nice chunk of 5 damage during that exchange, and would have done more had I not stupidly parked her in front of both of the Fangs... at Range 1.

This ship's awesome. I don't give a shit what anyone says. Empire needed a small ship with a system slot that wasn't either the Punisher or Phantom!

>>49684753
You forget theres a really shitty mentality in XWM that comes from games like 40k in that the meta revolves around 3 or 4 "optimal" lists when the game is one of the more balanced ones there is. Ive often seen people at tournament being shat on for having non-meta lists but placing well anyway. Its about if you can use the ship well, not many ships are useless

>>49684368
The problem is that my favorite list (Dash + Corran) folds hard to ordnance.
I was thinking of bringing a safer build: Miranda+Braylen+Biggs, even if I don't have as much experience with it.

>>49684816
This is mostly why I refuse to play tournaments/at the club anymore. Only with friends. Im sick of a new wave coming out with some new super good ship and 90% of people running that exact list for a month and a half
Then its back to palp aces

>>49684753

The /sf is actually turning out to be a sleeper hit from Wave 9, I think. Because it doesn't play a lot like some of the popular Empire concepts, people thought it would be DOA (And because FFG has had some fuckup with shit like JM5k and Syck or some other earlier wave ships, everybody is looking for the thing which is going to be the next thing - bad or good) but response from the field is that it's actually really useful and great for a lot of things. I'm definitely interested in getting one.

XWM is actually a pretty decent game though, as in the hands of the right player or right situation you can still use almost anything, with the exception of maybe a few individual pilots. If you can afford it, I've heard people swear by Syck swarms in Epic where you have points to spare.

>>49684850
Dash and Norra (PTL, EU, R2-D2, Title, Tail Gunner) is a rape train with no brakes.

>>49684816
Clearly I haven't forgotten that shitty mentality. I bought the SF anyways despite people bitching about it, with the idea that I was going to run it anyways.

I think the biggest problem to that competitive mentality, is the idea that you have to be able to soundly beat the shit out of the latest big shake-up. Whether that's Fat Primary Turrets, B-Wing spam, Twin Laser Turrets, triple U-Boats, or Palp Aces. And yeah, a lot of that comes from the ex-40k crowd who are used to (reliant upon) building lists that outright destroy the current "worst list to face".

>>49684753
I've been shit talking the SF on The Kessel Run since we saw its dial. Mostly because it's not what I thought fit the SF (which it still doesn't lorewise). But after playing it, it's a pretty unique ship and has been fun so far. I don't know where it fits, but I'm enjoying the ride.

Ran QD with Draw Their Fire in a Howl mini swarm, was not disappointed.

>>49684850
Play what you want, they both sound solid. Go in to establish a baseline, see where the meta/skill level is.

>>49684871
Never had a problem with new wave bandwagoners at my lgs. People tend to be more creative at my store, and the tournaments we have. Triple U-Boats showed up, along with 4x TLT spam, or other flavor of the months. But usually it's new ship(s) and some other random stuff. And for all the Palp Ace lists we see, none of them look at all alike (aside from a limo with Sheev on board).

>>49684921
Doesn't it have a similar problem, in that Dash goes down too fast to torpedoes to make an impact?

>>49684889
I've seen people put Ion Cannon Tansari Vets to good use as part of an Atanni Mindlink squad. 23pts gets you a mindlink scyk with ion cannon, that can freely evade/lock/roll so long as something else is focusing.

>>49684972
last tournament I went to, there were only 3 people out of 30 who didnt have uboats, tlt spam or palpaces. It was the last straw for me

>>49685004
Not a lot of torps in my meta, so I can't say. that being said, clever Dashing (and possibly packing Kanan over Kyle) can protect you from a lot of that. It's a bad match up but part of x-wing is learning to do well in bad match-ups by playing smart. If you're really sweating it, maybe pack Countermeasures instead of EU.

>>49685022
Neat, I might try this
>>49685032
Sounds like a shitty area m80, sorry to hear it.

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>>49680125

Does HotAC require a dedicated GM? Does having one improve the experience at all?

On a side note, do any of you guys actually roleplay when playing HotAC?

>>49685096
It makes no difference because the enemy ships have an "ai" which is a possibility of maneuvers for a movement based off of a d6 roll and location of the closest enemy

>>49684679
>Thoughts? Input?
Play X-Wing.

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>>49685179

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I just can't stay away it seems. I saw >>49682962 and knew i had to see how i could Star Wars-ify it.
The result is a failed joint Naboo-Gungan heavy fighter produced under severe regulations and red tape.

Only top view on this since i couldn't figure out how to MSPaint-hack the side and front views.

>>49685096
Roleplaying makes it more fun, and I've seriously considered trying to run HotAC as the space combat for a SW roleplaying game. Otherwise, no GM is actually needed. You can just get 4 people together to play, and each of you is up against the enemy's random AI (uses a d6 for unpredictability).

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>>49685221
Aside from the fact that the ARC-170 seems to be the actual, canon Space P-61, hot damn, that looks like a fun rig to fly.

>all dem quads
>mfw imagining an upgunned milspec version of that

It would probably be impossible to see out the cockpit while firing due to all the lasers, but fuck it, Sienar's done crazier things.

>>49685220
I would like to help you, but my knowledge of Armada is limited.

>>49685265
My idea was that the cockpit glass has the same treatment as the TIE ones, darkening to lessen the glare from the blasters firing

>>49685221
Quick reminder that the Naboo buy all their ships from the Nubians and only slightly modify them.

Anyone got stats for Yuuzhan Vong for FFG RPG?

>>49685725
They don't exist anon.

>>49685325
My idea was always that the actual weapons were gamma or particle in nature, and that the green thing was just an aiming aid.
I might be too drunk to post, I don't care.

>>49685739
why

>>49685767
>why
because they were a terrible idea and thanks to the Disney retcon, we no longer have to acknowledge them.
though as a little joke when I GM they still exist as a fictional race in an old, campy as hell, holonet series

I'm in the mood for Star Wars-ifying another aircraft but i don't know which one. Any ideas of aircraft you want to see turned into SW snubfighters?

>>49685838
I may have to borrow that idea. One of the important NPCs in my current game is a Hutt who collects Holodrama memorabilia. The PCs last mission for him was recovering a custom HWK-290 that had been used in the "Return From the Past" series of Holos.

Having them steal Yuuzhan Vong prop armor and weapons would be a great follow-up

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>>49685936

>>49685838
I like them though

SAGA is the best d20 game.

Which doesn't mean it's good, mind

>>49685955
Got schematics for that one? I can only find schematics for the regular F-104

>>49685991
Unfortunately, I don't. I'm not even sure if it was ever really built. It may just be a concept that never got off the ground.

>>49685936
Berkut

>>49685944
>M'artae! It's the Lithorians! We have to get this baby to 88 parsecs per hour!

>>49685955
How did these guys win the cold war with nothing but trash? I guess it's lucky for them the soviet union fell apart like a pinjata.

>>49683295
There's a great new place for posters like you, it's called /trash/.

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>>49686043
>nothing but trash
You do realize that that wasn't an actual mass-produced model, right? The F-104 was used for testing all sorts of retarded, crazy structural concepts. The Cold War was a magical time for military R&D on both sides of the Iron Curtain. The West had plenty of great Cold War-era aircraft, too.

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Oh shiiit it's battle report time!
I went and hosted a small try-out-xwm-game at my university. These are the lists I used:
https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v4!s!3:1,3:-1:-1:;30:13:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron
https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!10::-1:-1:;17:-1:-1:-1:;28:-1:-1:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

It went pretty well! Maybe it would have went differently with players that knew what they were doing, but with the first-timers that played it worked out to a very even game. It also seemed to be a pretty good spot complexity-wise, both players got most of it pretty quickly.

Still not sure how to best explain the rules. Should one talk through all actions before moving on to explaining attacking?

Early on, the X-wing got double-teamed and lost all but one hull, but the first kill was a turn later when the already scratched Academy pilot TIE ate a well-rolled Proton torpedo. The X-wing, suffering crippling truster damage, limped along for a pretty long while, R2-D2 regging a total of 4 shield points while Soonthir desperately tried to knock the last hull of. After a few too many turns, the X-wing finally ate hot turbolaser, and thing didn't look so hot for the now shieldless A-wing. It still managed to take out Mauler, and it was down to a full-hull Soonthir versus one-hull Arvel. The match ended anticlimactically with arvel accidentally driving himself of the board with a misjudged 5-k-turn.

The players had fun, I had fan, will do again.

>>49685999
Nevermind: I managed to fuck with the regular F-104 enough that it looked like the dorito variant. Now using that as a base for a SW fighter

What happened to Jar Jar at the end of the prequels? Canon-wise.

>>49686217
>Still not sure how to best explain the rules. Should one talk through all actions before moving on to explaining attacking?

I usually go through the basics (what the values on the pilot card mean, generally) and then guide them through a turn, explaining things as they crop up.

>>49686217
BONUS CONTENT:
For shit and giggles I also brought along a scum list, to give the players some choice. Once I got to Uni, I took a second look at it and realized that it looked significantly more powerfull than then other two lists, so I didn't use it:
https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v4!s!106:16:-1:-1:;114:-1,-1:-1:-1:;122:-1,116,-1,115:-1:-1:U.137&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

>>49686249
Nothing stated, but Hidalgo thinks he becomes an Imperial puppet who gets cajoled into signing excessive funds for Kuat and the like. Quite popular, held up as a figure of Imperial quality.

Lucas thought he just retired and had a family. I wouldn't mind if his grandson, Anni Binks shows up in Episode 8.

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>>49686311
I hope that if we do get sequel era Gungans, they're the the kind of Gungans we control in Galactic Battlegrounds.

>slingers throwing grenades with an E-web's ROF and longer effective range than a blaster
>airborne artillery platforms made of coral and capable of matching similar ships of conventional make
>everyone is fucking invincible because fambaa shield generators everywhere

Feels good sweeping Naboo clean and making the clankers your bitch.

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>>49685955
Here we go. One Dorito-104 turned into Star Wars snubfighter

>>49686449
...
There was a game like that? First time I´ve ever heard of it. Say, you got a link?

>>49686003
I'll try but the Berkut is really tricky to Star wars-ify without loosing the Berkut theme.

>>49686272
So do you take all details on asteroids, red/green maneuvers and bumping before going on to combat?

>>49686500
It's available on Steam and GOG for cheap. Galactic Battlegrounds is pretty much Age of Empires II, but Star Wars. Fun as fuck, even if AoE mechanics don't really make sense for Star Wars. The Gungan campaign went a long way to making them cool again. The Wookiee campaign is also top-notch.

>>49686491
I kinda dig that, but there's something awkward about it. The proportions, maybe.

I really like the concept though, I just can't put the finger on what's itching me.

>>49686575
TPM era games were top-notch. TFA era games are shit.

Well, Uprising looked good, but it stopped.

>>49686583
The cockpit is too big so it looks like it has no body, like a little babby fighter.

>>49686142
It's still an unsafe aircraft somehow made to be even less safe. I guess it's a good design for a drone, but you'll be hard pressed to find pilots willing to sit into it, even in Germany.

>>49686645
>It's still an unsafe aircraft somehow made to be even less safe.
Good thing NATO eventually retired them from frontline service and built better planes, then.

>>49686548
Yeah, sorta. If I had to put it in words, I'd say that I go like:
>These are the dice, they have x y and z symbols on them which mean a b and c, by spending some tokens you can modify your rolls
>These values on your pilot card determine initiative, how many dice you throw during attack and defense, your hp and so on

Then I'd go into the turn
>First thing you choose your maneuver, green and red mean this and this
>Then you reveal, execute your maneuver and perform an action, following ps order
>Get into some detail about how bumps are handled
>Explain what all the actions entail
>Finally combat, which at this point means just explaining firing arc, range modifiers and reminding them about spending tokens and the importance of actions


So, uh, yeah, I just hold their hand through a mock-up turn and then make them play a real game, X-Wing's so easy to explain that as long as I stand by to clear any doubt that's all I need to do.

>>49686700
Huh, explaining asteroids would fit-in with the bumping rules first and the range rules later, forgot about them

>>49686700
Explaining basic attacking and defending before actually talking about maneuvering doesn't sound like a bad idea. What got me the most was explaining actions while talking about movement, since focus, evade and target lock requires them to know combat to be explained. I'll try doing it like you said next time, thanks!

>>49686764
Yeah, I can see that, talking about focus tokens doesn't make much sense if they haven't seen an actual die.

I'd say that all they need to know at that point is what the dice results mean and what a fire-arc is, the applications of every action should be pretty self-explanatory at that point.

>>49686311
My friends and I thought Lucas could have won back the fans by having the people of Coruscant put his head on a pike at the end of the PT.

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>>49686003
>>49686511
Well i tried at least. Still thinks it doesn't look Star Wars-y enough but i ran out of ideas.

>>49685936
the sabrejet and lightning

>>49686693
>Got a great idea folks
>plane that can only safely land with the help of a parachute
>horribly low stall speed
>it's ok, it's a high altitude high-speed interceptor.
>used as low level attack plane for low altitude attack by germans
>has an ejection seat that fires the pilot down
>on a low level attack plane
>100 dead german pilots later
>maybe that was a bad idea

>>49687449
Nobody's denying that the F-104 was a flying death trap. What point are you even trying to make? That all NATO aircraft were flying shitpiles? That the 104 was the only NATO aircraft in service ever across the entirety of the Cold War?

>>49687382
I got an idea for the Sabre. Let me dick around with the schematics a while and i might have something

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>>49687527
>>49687382
Here we go, one Sabre-based snubfighter

>>49687449
>use a screwdriver as a hammer
>WTF STUPID AMERICANS THIS IS A TERRIBLE HAMMER

>>49687892
I like it.

>>49687475
I heard they lost one over Lake Superior and it was never found. How the fuck do you lose a plane in a lake, then not find it?

>>49688092
Lake Superior is big. About the size of Austria.

>>49688092
Pretty easily.
I'm not sure you understand how fucking huge the great lakes are.

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>>49688092
I bet the carp are behind this.

So a friend and I are probably gonna get into X-Wing just for casual play. I wanna eventually rock as many Defenders as I can afford. He would like a K-Wing and some other complimentary ships. So place us on the mercy of swg. What are good compliments to TIE Defenders and what would be good for a K-Wing?

>>49688205
I'm from Michigan. Lake Superior is gigantic and it regularly kills unwary boaters.

>>49688315
Lake Superior best Great Lake
The town Superior however not so much

>>49688341
I'm from the UP, so I'm more familiar with Lake Superior than any of the other lakes. It's huge, it's cold, it'll kill you and they'll never find the corpse.

>>49688362
Fellow Yooper here. I grew up on Huron and Michigan and they're scarily massive on their own, Superior is their gigantic brother that saws the head off of cats.

>>49688341
Marquette best city. Houghtonites go home.

>>49688362
>they'll never find the corpse.
Or you'll jump off the wrong rocks, cripple yourself, and die long before help can ever reach you.

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>>49682085
>Y-wing upgrade box
Yeah the Longprobe should be some kind of factory package you can just switch in-out for as needed. The fact it has decent sensors should alone warrant one two for a squadron of independent fighters which are operating without carrier support or even just a planetary defence force on the cheap that needs some kind of long range, mobile detection.
I often come up with the odd budget freighter with something of an AWAC's package on/in it for backwater system that has a long loiter time, big crew of sensor, comms and pilots that can run an around the clock surveillance and muster up interceptors if they come up with a likely target (usually PC smugglers!)

Capable individual fighters are great, but the command and control behind them will make them shine ie: Battle of Britain

>>49688315
And a certain ship full of iron ore.

Heard a theory that FFG can't or won't do Star Wars RPG PDFs because it would count as a digital game, which EA has the license for.

Is this right, or what

>>49688453
I don't believe it was ever officially commented on by FFG, but yes, that is what is assumed.

>>49688315
>I'm from Michigan. Lake Superior is gigantic and it regularly kills unwary boaters.
>>49688362
>It's huge, it's cold, it'll kill you and they'll never find the corpse
Yeah. There are entirely too many people (espicially tourists and immigrants) who just don't get that the great lakes are more like an inland sea than the kind of lakes that they're used to. Hell, plenty of people end up dead on lakes here that are puddles by comparison and they STILL don't recover anything in most cases

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>>49688315
>>49688341
>>49688362
>>49688414
>>49688433
>all these Yoopers in one thread

I knew there was a reason I liked /swg/. I am among my people.

>>49688502
I used to work at a marina up here and I can't tell you how many rich fucks would come through on vacation with their giant yacht they shipped here from California who I'd try to warn about Superior only to have them blow me off, only to hear the same voices calling the Coast Guard for assistance that same day.

>>49688534
Wait, why are there so many Yoopers in here? There's only like 300,000 of us total.

>>49688535
Big problem with boats isn't the water, its the fucking spastics that run them.
Most of the stupid cunts don't wear lifejackets, can't swim worth a damn, basically pilot them into shit they can't handle and that's before they start getting drunk

>>49688534
Sault Ste Marie, MI represent.

>>49688535
My local great lake is somewhat calmer, but I've seen what superior looks like during a good blow, and it honestly reminded me a bit of the Atlantic off the newfoundland coast. I could easily see it going from zero to burial at sea in about five minutes flat

>>49688547
Ain't like there's much fucking else to do up there aside from /tg/, drinking, incest and cultivating weird accents

>>49688534
Troll here. Why are you guys all so goddamn weird?

Like, you're not assholes or any thing, but I've never met a yooper who wasn't some flavor of oddball.

>>49688729
Yoopers are the quitessential Agamarians. ooyah *bobs head*

>>49688729
Long, cold winters and isolation do that to people.

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>>49688729
Rituals to protect against the maddening influence of Canada. Can't guard against insanity without going insane, yourself.

You might think this odd, but when you guys are overrun by the Canadian Fellmoose, you'll wish you'd prepared better.

>>49688341
>Lake Superior best Great Lake
>not
>Lake Superior superior lake
One job

>>49688797
>Rituals to protect against the maddening influence of Canada.
Fuckin' take that back, eh. It's you fuckers who are the crazy ones, buddy

>>49688797
>the maddening influence of Canada

Come on mate, that's just the French

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>>49688824

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Aw man, why the hell is an obscure lego kit design so sexy?

Also, look out for ARC-170s in FFG eventually, the author of Savage Spirits said he had those stats written since EotE

>>49688846
Y'all have California, which is twice as crazy as all of Canada put together and you know it

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>>49688875

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>>49688873
>yfw they end up being a downgrade from shipfag's

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>>49688894
Let's be honest here, anon, California really is a shithole full of weirdos and crazy people.

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>>49688924

>>49688894
I don't have a single problem with America or Americans, I just take some offense to the suggestion that we're crazier than california.
And for that matter, Fellmeece are a myth.

>>49689005
American here. You guys are slightly less smug and condescending than Californians. On the other hand, as a Michigander, I see fewer Californians (and would be happy seeing even fewer).

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>>49684753
I'm trying to find a use for the SF that I like but it has been difficult. I also tried Quickdraw McGraw with SF, Rage and Baffle but she never got to really shine. Now I'm looking at Backdraft with SF,VI, Sensor Jammer and Sensor Cluster, using him to cover the rear of the squad.

If I want to try something different, Sensor Jammer and Draw Their Fire on Quickdraw so that she takes damage on her terms.

>>49689049
It's October. It'll probably be snowing next month, meaning they'll crawl back to their sun-baked hell soon enough.

>>49689049
>You guys are slightly less smug and condescending than Californians
I've never understood that attitude, honestly. I guess it's an inheritance from the british or something. It's especially ridiculous from people in toronto, who somehow simultaneously desperately want to be New York, and think themselves to be better than Americans at everything.

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>>49689005
>Fellmeece are a myth

Of course. Just like your demonic lord Tiim Hort'on. And yet his dark chapels have already infested Troll Land. I see through your Canadian deceptions.

>>49689115
When your measure of 'Murica is New York right acrosd the falls, and the fucking bible belt, it's not hard to see how Torontoans develop such a view.

>>49688924
>California really is a shithole full of weirdos and crazy people.
Well fuck you too.

I live in CA, and it's really a nice place, when it's not on fire.

>>49688914
Then we use Shipfag's/.

>>49689305
Stay there, everyone else hates you and wishes the whole state would fall into the Pacific.

>>49689329
Nah. You've got it backwards, man. You're thinking of Florida.

>>49689546
Isn't that happening to Florida right now, though?

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>>49688924
Cali is ok, its just messicans, pot heads, proto-communists and plastic boobs.
If you want genuine crazy- Florida and accept no substitutes

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>>49689559
Exactly. When Thor and Poseidon tag-team to give you a proverbial middle finger named after a Biblical prophet, you might want to reconsider your place in the universe.

>>49689586

Florida is just more transparent with it's crazy. We have more open laws about police reports and journalism.

I asked this question in the last /swg/, but the only response didn't seem to understand it.

I have two possible builds for Snap Wexley. Which one seems better?

1.
>Veteran Instincts
>Targeting Astromech
>Primed Thrusters
>Vectored Thrusters

2.
>Veteran Instincts
>BB-8
>Primed Thrusters
>Black One title
>Integrated Astromech

>>49680125
>Fall In For Inspection! Edition
Shit, I didn't know the First Order had penis inspection day

>>49689329
I hope you don't like produce that's not corn because we'd take 90% of yours with us.
Unless you want to import it from tin-pot dictators in South America.

>>49689849
>tomatoes may may

I'd pay a little more for tomatoes if it meant never having to deal with you cunts ever again.

>>49689662
Florida is the crazy center of crazy people, in the US. It's not more transparent, it's simply more retarded.

>>49690251
>flyover faggot buttblasted by best state in Union
So cute.

>>49690251
I would pay a little more for corn if it meant never seeing it used for shit other than being corn again. And for that, I'd happily hope the midwest burns in the proverbial hell it believes in.

Seriously, this fascination with masturbating to corn, and cramming it's starchy ass into every fucking thing you can think of, is why America is so goddamned fat.

>>49686500
Jesus Christ how young are you?

>All this state wankery

Can't we all just agree Idaho is the worst state and get back to talking about Jedi Prince?

>>49690352
Idaho is second worst, right behind Florida. And 3rd worst is Louisiana, whose only major export is Duck Dynasty.

The guy uh... the guy doing star wars ships based off of real ships still here?

Can you do one based off of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_F2A_Buffalo ?

This would fit for a character I have in a game that during the clone wars did manufacturing for the CIS (as he was a member of the Confederacy) but like every corporation in the CIS, cut corners with a stop gap snub fighter that wasn't worth the material it was made out of, but he had a commission.

>>49689683
2. You can only use Targeting Astro on red moves, which you can't take while stressed. Wired and Primed Thrusters would be ideal.

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So, based on the trainer A-Wing appearing in Rebels, I homebrewed a quick little attachment for FFG fighters, and figured I'd share.

Trainer Module
Base: Adds spot for 1 passenger, or 1 additional crewman in a pilot/co-pilot position, with full copy of all the ship's pilot-only controls. Reduce the Ship's Encumbrance Capacity by 5 (minimum 0). Single pilot vehicles with 0 Passenger Capacity of SIL 3 only.
HP 1 Cost: 5,000/2 CR

>>49690286
No, the fact that you assume that is honestly why this entire country hopes you all die.

Even Texans are less onnoxious. New Yorkers. And buddy, that's saying something.

>>49690598
>plebeian is still barking at my ivory tower

>>49690598
Yeah, no. Texas is 4th worst state of the Union. They should just fucking secede already, so Mexico can invade them and take a giant shit on their ego.

California sucks. Most of it, anyways. But it's still better than Texas and Florida combined.

>all this stateposting
Let's get back to star wars:

Scenario time: A system with one inhabited world, population 35 million in the outer rim has retained you, a mercenary spacer, as an expert in space defense, since the NuRepublic sure won't be any help. What assortment of starfighters and capital ships do you equp their newly-formed defense force with? Your budget is not very high, but not completely poverty-tier, either

>>49690772
>Mexico invade Texas

Texas could honestly probably successfully invade and cleanse Mexico on their own. Before breaking out nukes, which they have.

>>49690263
No, it just has straight up no legal protection on police reports.

>>49690831
X-Wings, Nebulon-Bs, and those blockade runners.

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>>49690831
I blow the entire budget on Pinooks.

>>49689546
>>49689559
>>49689586
>>49690263
Yes, Florida does indeed have different laws about what details of crimes can be published. In almost any other state, you'll see '39-year-old male suspected in attempted robbery'.

In Florida it's 'Naked man holds up McDonald's with dildo and handgun'

>>49690831
Probably TIEs and some cheap carriers.

>>49690831
All the interceptors I can get my hands on- the local techs can likely strap some extra shields on to improve the overall survival rate. A mix of small carriers -Gozanti's and Quasar Fire class- plus a couple of Gladiator or MC30 Frigates to handle larger threats. After that it's just a matter of getting the local pilots trained up, and developing deployment and response plans sorted out so that in the event of an actual threat the fleet knows what to do and doesn't just panic and die.

>>49690831
Honestly, I'd mostly go for imperial surplus, with a side of open-market and ex-reb gear.
So, probably a half-to-full-wing of TIEs, interceptors if I can get them, but /LNs otherwise, a squadron or two of X-wings/defenders, flown by experienced fellow mercs (loldisarmament would leave plenty of skilled pilots out of a job) for fast-reaction in the rare case that it's needed, plus two or three squadrons of Y-wings and preybirds, as I can lay hands on them, with other mercs flying them.
For capitals, a fistful of old consulars and discrils for picket duty, with external TIE mounts, plus a Carrack or two for running down fast boys. As a big iron flagship, whatever can be found in heavy cruiser+ size. A Victory if at all possible, but more probably a Strike, Vindicator or refitted Dreadnaught.
Again, partially crewed by politically unemployed imps, but with enough locals to keep things loyal

>>49690831
YOu said NUrepublic so I assume this is Nucanon?

If so I have no real idea, most of the "Cheap capital ships" got pruned from canon.

Probably some fighter carriers, Carrakcs (Assuming they fill the same role as their EU originals, so far they've only been name-dropped) and maybe a CIS Munnificent Frigate or two (Either the larger one with the hanger or the smaller one that can only hide fighters inside the superstructure.)

Also we don;'t know the cost of planetary shield generators in Nucanon (And even for Legends the Wook doesn't seem to list the "Full planetary coverage" cost of shield generators anymore.)

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On a simmilar note to >>49690831 's question:

I want to have it so after the fall of the Empire Naboo goes full imperialism themselves and starts conquering nearby systems to begin their empire (apparently their new king is a regular Space-Napoleon). I'm trying to come up with an idea of the composition of their forces; figure their go-to fighter will be the N-1, and I can see the J-type being stripped of it's diplomatic amenities for a few weapon mounts and serve as a pocket-carrier similar to how the Gozanti is used by the Empire. I am just a little stuck on what kinds of larger capital ships they would be fielding? any thoughts?

Also, ground forces... if Galactic Battlegrounds is anything to go by they'd probably be using a lot of infantry and speeders to make quick hit-and-run attacks and flanking maneuvers.

>>49690923
Maybe only for headlines that's the case. But we absolutely get details about what the fuck happened in a crime, as far as anyone knows. Florida is batshit crazy. You can defend that shithole all you want, but it's always going to be the worst state of the union, and we don't even have to mention the fuckwit populace.

>>49691335
>I am just a little stuck on what kinds of larger capital ships they would be fielding? any thoughts?
Everyone and their disliked brother-in-law has at least a few Dreadnaughts hanging around, and rich folks like naboo would probably have a fair few; they were sold to and built by more or less everyone.
Also, a few old victories and/or venators, of clone wars surplus would be fairly likely, as might be a couple private neb-Bs or carracks. Maybe even a single Imperator, courtesy of sheevy P, symbolically like
Also, definitely a decent number of CR-90s, DP-20s and Consulars, maybe rebuilt and upgraded by their custom works, but definitely a bunch of those

>>49691335
They might still have a couple of captured Lucrehulk class ships left from the pre-clone wars events. Those things are huge, and work pretty well if you're trying to conquer stuff, since they have lots and lots of cargo space for hauling troops and equipment around. That could be the main backbone of an Imperial Naboo fleet, supplemented by some Dreadnoughts and a shit-ton of CR-90s

>>49684679
Have you really had any luck with double Nebs? I really am not a fan of them, but I haven't been able to play much.

Legends question: Is reworking Mandalorian iron possible with something like a plasma forge? And how rare is Ultrachrome really?

I'm technically just looking for obscenely tough materials to make a cybernetic arm out of but I've gravitated towards lightsaber resistant materials since they have a tendency to be ridiculously tough and being able to just grab a lightsaber blade would be pretty awesome. Phrik is out of the question and Cortosis is far too brittle. I might just settle for a standard durasteel arm and plate it with a Cortosis alloy to make it energy resistant though.

>>49691566
There's a few different things called "Cortosis" in the EU, whatever Darth bane was digging seemed like one of the Phrik components or Mando Iron since it was tough to ALL energy and even most physical force.

>>49687361
Don't use double-framed canopies. Star Wars doesn't use those.

>>49691566
>: Is reworking Mandalorian iron possible with something like a plasma forge?
I've always figured that it's not a question of equipment, but of special smith skills and of you're on mandalore/concord dawn or not. If you've got those two things, all's good, otherwise you're SOL.
A mando smith contact, with the aid of a good cyberneticist, could probably provide the wanted limb, but it would certainly be very dense and heavy. Without that particular assortment of friends, it ain't happening
It'd be rather an issue for the P.T required to use it, but it'd be possible, with time and appropriate chemistry

>>49691335
why on earth would Naboo support space-Napoleon after spitting out a Galactic Emperor

Even during the Empire, it was just a holiday planet who wanted nothing to do with the Empire at large, its economy isn't based around imperialism, it has no need for money to enrich its citizens

That don't make no sense, unless some bighead wants to 'enrich' neighboring sectors

>>49691586
I was going more for the Cortosis in other sources: energy dissipating and brittle but can be used to make an energy resistant alloy that's ridiculously common in KOTOR.

>>49691631
Heya shipfag.

I'm basing this more off of the fact that Beskar isn't indestructible since Exar Kun managed to work his way through the door of Freedon Nadd's tomb with his lightsaber and he noted that it was made entirely out of Mandalorian iron.

>>49691667
I don't think beskar was indestructible before Traviss

>>49680414
I use D&D for GURPS.

>>49691684

And even then all the top tier Jedi could crack it like glass with Shatterpoint.

>>49691684
Mandalorian armor was still obscenely tough. It took Exar Kun a long ass time to cut through the door and quite a while to even make a scratch in the first place.

>>49691711
To be fair, Shatterpoint is a rare ability to naturally manifest and takes a lot of training to even figure out the basics for others.

>>49691686
Oh yeah? Well I use D&D for all my accounting needs.

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I really hate these overpowered cunts and I'm sad that even Disney canon kept them going.

>muh space DMV that's more powerful than Sheev himself

Get outta here with that bullshit.

>>49691775
>underestimating the power of bureaucracy

>>49691772
The IRS just came to your office, sir. They have dice, for some reason.

>>49691834
Shit, did I get the houserules in there somehow? I knew those wealth by level tables looked off.

I roll for initiative.

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>>49691335
>>49691639
In Legends canon, Naboo still favored the Empire and had Panaka as its off. With no formal successor, have Panaka proclaim himself the new Galactic Emperor and set out to finish what Sheev started. A Naboo Thrawn (and Pellaeon to an extent) of sorts. Have Panaka crush all the sitting ducks and trade franchises in the Chommell Sector, and also provide free power to everyone.

>>49691873
That's silly, Naboo wasn't precisely favored, but Panaka did govern the sector fairly, if sternly.

>>49691639
>its economy isn't based around imperialism
Neither was France's, but that didn't stop them.

>>49691873

In Legends the Queen supported the Rebellion and was assassinated by the 501st and Panaka became Moff afterwards. Clearly, there's some tension there.

>>49691522
>Have you really had any luck with double Nebs?
Yeah, when they are upgraded right they are ISD-killers.

>>49691902
>>49691915
Hey, no planet's society is wholly inclined one way or the other. If someone like Panaka went Space Napoleon and if he had a lot of power, I imagine those against him would either keep their heads down or form underground movements. Same as with Napoleonic France.

>>49691910
This. If given the possibility, even a tiny country like Switzerland would go full imperialism too.

>>49691915
If anything that only builds the case for space-Napoleon. Now who can get behind Boss Nass becoming space-Robespierre?

>>49691943
>>49691915
>>49691974
Personally I have my own plans for him in my spinoff universe, but if you can put him to good use that's fine.

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>>49684816
I know I'm late to the discussion but I can confirm, literally my first tournament ever last June when I was semi-comfortable but not great at the game I made a squad with Ello Asty, Biggs, and Wedge(!), and I placed just above center center out of ~90 players - And this was just when the Contracted Scout shitstorm was at it's peak. Practicing about 4 games worth at my local store helped a lot. Meta-lists only accounted for about half of the makeup.

There is this problem with people online critiquing lists where they apply it to the context of taking it to Worlds or something where it's going to face the the most optimized squads flown by the best players. You can bring pretty much anything you're comfortable with to a tournament and do well, unless that list is severely, fundamentally flawed.

>>49691867
>houserules in there somehow?

One way or another bucko, you're gunna be paying for the fancy +3 Car of driving and oh, they're probably going to shoot your dog on a 15 or lower

>>49691775
>>49691833
All DMVs, past, present, future are infact the singular DMV. The DMV is its own plane of existence, and it exists to spread dreadfully sluggish bureaucratic processes to every realm.

>>49691775
It's rare that BoSS can risk actually using their power, they only ever used it politically what, twice?

>>49692045
What are your overall ideas senpai?

>>49692267
>>49692267
Not to go into too much detail since my group is on /tg/ often, but I am grouping him in with imperial moderates like D'Asta and Pellaeon

>>49692289
So in your universe Naboo stays as a distant outpost of the Remnant?

>>49692119
>>49692140
I don't mind the bureaucracy meme, but realistically a skull-crushing Empire should've been able to smash through BoSS and establish an Imperial-loyal organisation in its place.

>>49692309
Naboo itself may not remain imperial, but other Chommel worlds or even its own moon may choose to remain imperial (with system specific nonaggression treaties, i figure there must be SOME wartime treaties for the treatment of POWs etc, why not toss in a few nonconflict zones?) Alternatively he could be a moff in exile.

>>49692342
You could consider exploring other Imperial loyalists communities that went to the Remnant, like say Naboo imperial loyalists, Corellian imp loyalists, etc. I'm pretty sure a lot of major worlds had -some- Imperial supporters on them.

>>49692119
Sometimes it's possible to fall through cracks of dimensions while in the DMV, and end up in the D-space. There, you find yourself stuck in a confusing waiting room of beige and grey, littered with boring pamphlets and uncomfortable plastic chairs. And somewhere in the distance you can hear a loud, grouchy old woman yell "number three thousand, nine hundred, and forty six million, two hundred and thirty seven thousand, one hundred and seventy six... NEXT!"

>>49683746
No, "Star Wars" is pretty much the best example and quintessence of a high concept story world, where the concept is "World War 2, BUT IN SPACE", and then adding the most basic and straight foreward conflicts on all three conceptual levels.

>Dark Side vs. Light Side ; Repression vs Freedom
>Evil Empire vs. Rebellion
>Luke, Leia, Han and their allies vs. The Emperor, Darth Vader and their henchmen

Star Wars is probably one of the most basic story worlds you could come up with, anyone who even heard the first 30 minutes of a "Transmedial story worlds" lecture could come up with star wars and write it's story bible. It' literally one of the first things you learn when you study film, especially of the hollywood variety.

And if you have a good, straight concept, you know it because you can just literally put its contents on its label and name it straight foreward. It says "Star Wars" and thats exactly what you get

>>49691667
I've never thought it indestructible, just very dense, very heavy and very tough. Something that takes even a few minutes of dedicated saberwork would really kinda look 'indestructible' to joe jedi, even though it ain't, but in an average gun/saber fight it might as well look that way.
I've always thought of mandolorian iron as essentially being something where if you can dig up a smith who knows the stuff, a large chunk of dough or a very big favour, and can deal with 20-odd stone of armor alone, then you can be halfway to gunproof, but outside of very special circumstances, it isn't something viable for Joe gunman

>>49692853
Still pretty silly to imply that Lucas had anything to do with actually designing the spaceships. That role ultimately falls to concept artists and prop-masters.

>>49692853
>Transmedial story worlds
>implying Lucas could access a 90s theory of storytelling in 1977z

>>49691775
The BoSS isn't "overpowered".
It's not an army, it's not an organization, it's not a faction, it's not a crime syndicate, it's not a megacorporation, it's not a government.
It's bureaucracy that keeps track of something extremely vital and constantly changing literally every moment of galactic civilizations' existence, but it IS bureaucracy nonetheless.

Asking the BoSS to wield it's influence is like walking into the DMV (your comparison, not mine) and then saying how they could totally engage in surprising in-depth manipulation of people by keeping track of so much of their personal information, enough that they could become a serious influence in the government. You know what'd they say to you?

>"I'm sorry Sir, you have to wait your turn. If you have a complaint, please sign out these forms and go to the complaints kiosk over there."

And then they'd go back to thanklessly working sixty hours a week with every asshole ever born while keeping track of and archiving everything nobody can be bothered to keep track of themselves and handing it out to the legal authorities so long as they signed the correct forms.
>>49692326
Why bother?
The BoSS wasn't loyal to the Republic. They didn't care. They weren't holdouts. They weren't loyalists. They're a bunch of randos sitting in space cubical doing the most boring job in the galaxy, and they already GIVE the Empire what it wants already for no charge and for free.

>>49693142
>and then saying how they could totally engage in surprising in-depth manipulation of people by keeping track of so much of their personal information, enough that they could become a serious influence in the government

I work at my state's DMV, and this is more accurate then you think. In a couple of states they use it to mind data because owning a car is more common then being a registered voter or even paying taxes, so we have a REALLY accurate counting of how many people live in a state. We also can pretty easily find out things like if you're in debt or have bad credit or if your insurance sucks, at least in this state.

>>49693142
>On at least two occasions, the Bureau played an important role in ending two major galactic wars, forcing an end to the First Alsakan Conflict by threatening to withhold access to hyperspace beacons, and collaborating with a Jedi-led coalition opposed to the Pius Dea regime during the last of the Pius Dea Crusades, stranding much of the Pius Dea fleet in open space.

And what about this? Doesn't seem like a bored bureaucracy to me if it literally used its influence to push two conflicts into its favor. And not only.

>The Bovarks eventually went too far, actually threatening another BoSS clan with violence. BoSS responded to this crisis by threatening to delete the files for every starship in existence unless the Bovarks were forced to stop their aggression. Faced with the possible shutdown of interstellar trade, a coalition of planetary governments sent a fleet of over one thousand warships to the Nimban system. The Bovarks were forced to back down.[1]

>>49688299
Buy two core sets, one of each type, and split the ships. You won't regret it.

>What are good compliments to TIE Defenders
More TIE Defenders (3x Defenders is both good and fun), some other aces(Prototype Advanced, Interceptors, even Omega Leader on a TIE/fo), a mini-swarm(with two core sets you'll have enough ties), a Decimator, maybe a pair of bombers since if you're playing Defenders then you WILL have bombers too, due to Imperial Veterans being pretty much a necessity.
If you don't mind proxying cards (it's casual play, just print whatever you want) a Lambda with Palpatine is always a welcome sight.

>And what would be good for a K-Wing
The K-Wing lends itself to many roles, so this is a little harder to answer; Miranda Doni is a great lategamer that can splurge red dice or regen shields as needed, while the low PS generics are amazing blockers and bombers.Bombsbombsbombs go with bombs effective and always fun as fuck
Poe in his T-70 is a good wingmate for everyone and a great lategamer, pretty damn fun to fly too (the Talon Roll makes you fucking DRIFT AROUND CORNERS) (and you'll already have him if you buy the two cores)
Corran Horn in his E-Wing is an agile (though fragile) beast and real fun too, he WILL punish whatever ends up in his sights.
Rebel Aces would give you an A-Wing and a B-Wing with all the fixes they need, they are both damn good ships although they might struggle keeping up with the Defenders sheer efficiency.
Y-Wings are solid workhorses, they'll do the job. Double fun if you give them the title and use them as dogfighters.
Z95s are amazing fillers, any rebel player should have at least one of these laying around.
Falcon, Outrider and Ghost are all solid.
When it comes out, Heroes of the Resistance will be an amazing buy.
If proxying, Wes Janson shits on pretty much everything he sets his eyes onto, assuming he's properly supported.

>>49688299
Colonel Vessery fucking LOVES TIE Advanced X1 wingmates with the ATC. The ATC requires a target lock to work, and so long as his wingmate have a target lock, so does he.

>>49692997
>Implying Star Wars isn't so simplistic you can't get to the same result by having had 5 minutes of education
>Implying you can't explain stuff with theories just because those weren't around when the object at hand was made
>Implying I am stupid enaugh to believe Lucas is a good filmaker with a worthy education instead of someone who accidentially did the right thing

It all means jack shit. Star Wars was still made with the concept of "WW2, BUT IN SPACE" because that was a return to the glory days of America after a failed Vietnam and exactly what the public wanted to see. You don't need to be a fucking genius or have read a theory that formalizes what has worked and was done by the people in the firm industry since the damn '50s, you just absorbed that as a byproduct of working in film if you were half decent.

>>49692996
Pretty silly from your side to imply that the director doesn't have the final say in this.
Also, the premise of the story informs the design, it doesn't even fucking matter if Lucas had anything to do with it, the designers also read the fucking script and wouldn't even need to be told that shit, the premise is so fucking simple you absorb it subconsciously without even having to realize.
Also they were on a very tight budget because Fox was dead broke and couldn't give Lucas a lot to work with, which is also why he split the script into three parts for three movies instead of telling everything in one movie, that way it all got simple enaugh to tell with the budget.
They re-used a ton of props from other films, thats why everything looks like repurpsed coffee machines and repainted MG42's. They had a ton of cheap reused WW2 props. With that premise and those props its not fucking hard to reach an unspoken subconscious consensus to fucking use WW2 design without Lucas or even the Artist and Prop Designers talking to each other about it. The subsequent movies that also reused a ton of Indiana Jones WW2 props.

>>49693182
You know those two instances of political influence? They literally predate the Sith.
I bet you even Palpatine is comfortable with the BoSS; I mean why not, they never bothered the Sith or Jedi during their wars before, not for ten thousand years. They didn't show favoritism during the Clone Wars either and arguably that was a lot more relevant to them because it wasn't (obstensibly) about disagreements over some weird religious groups and what color their laser swords should be.
The BoSS is probably willing to leverage over small private citizens on occasion, but entire governments? Back when those two incidents happened the Republic hadn't even entirely reached the Mid-Rim yet. I'm guessing all their time is spent trying to keep their jobs running rather then worrying about who to side with.

What'a your beef with them anyway? I'm pretty sure it's literally never come up in a game run by your or that you've played in or any wargame you'be done.
It doesn't even get talked about in the EU for the most part. What, did you read the wiki article and randomly get mad about them or something?

>>49693249
>disagreements over some weird religious groups and what color their laser swords should be

I love the idea that the less educated in the galaxy think that this why Jedi and Sith fight because they don't really "get" the whole Force thing.

>>49693249
>It doesn't even get talked about in the EU for the most part. What, did you read the wiki article and randomly get mad about them or something?
Pretty much. I dislike how its an obvious Dune reference (Navigator's Guild) but it doesn't really work in-universe because in Star Wars Sheev reigns supreme, he never bowed down to any bureaucracy. Hell, he shut it down as in the case of the Senate.

IF they never literally stopped wars, then I wouldn't have had a problem with them. Just a standard starship registration bureau. But forcing planets to bend to their will.. eh.. And what would deleting all the transponder codes do anyway? It's stated (even by you) that they turned over the codes to the reigning government, so what difference would it make? Wouldn't BoSS just be making itself irrelevant through it?

>>49693247
Seconding this, Omega Leader also works great

>>49693278
I'm thinking of experimenting with Cdr Alozen + Intimidation for my Tractor Vessery build. Reducing AGI-3 enemies to AGI-1 sounds utterly vicious. Not much use against Decimators or the Ghost though.

>>49693276
So you're like a guy who's gone through life pretty much being okay with the shape he's in and the way he looks and how he has ten fingers but eight toes, only one day you look down and discover that you actually have TEN toes and you never noticed before and nobody ever told you and then you just get really upset at those two extra toes for sitting there and doing literally nothing at all their entire existence except sort of just being there because they don't fit your preconceived worldview?
BoSS is there to keep updating the records (hyperspace lanes drift and need updating because the Galaxy moves and all that), and Palpatine sees fit to leave them there doing that because it works just fine for them and they know not to ever get in his way.
Oh, and it's called the Imperial Ships and Services when the Empire takes over, BTW.

But yeah, the BoSS would be considered an "influencer" of people if they hadn't only ever done it 5000 years before the Sith existed as a culture and three thousand years before the guys who BECAME the Sith three thousand years later would even do their stuff.

>>49693321
Not him, but holy shit the Republic and galactic civilization has been around a really fucking long time.

>>49693346

Legends took old Ben's words that the Jedi had been guardians of the Republic for a thousand generations quite literally, that they had stood alongside the Republic for twenty five thousand years.

In both Legends and canon, the Sith formed out of a Jedi schism about seven thousand years before the events of the films.

>>49693346
>Looking up your ships records
>Can't read cuneiform on a clay tablet
>Cross reference it into hieroglyphics
>Fuck

Who's laughing at the archaeologist career now!

>>49693364
What's the explanation for it's technology not actually getting any better all that time?

>>49693415
You want the real reason or the in-universe reason?

Real Version; KOTOR.
In-universe; it actually has and you just can't tell.

>>49693424
>KOTOR
Wait, what? The game? Why?

>>49693427
Because it was set 3000 years prior to the movies but had the same general tech level as the movies, giving the appearance of stagnation.

>>49693415
Well, in Legends, it DID experience a drastic change over time - until KotOR came out. Then BioWare went full-retard and decided to make everything look like it would fit in the prequels.

The Tales of the Jedi comics span about a thousand year period and things get kind of crazy. Ships are all jagged with no real shields, actual laser weapons that are backpack powered, lightsabers with external batteries, and overall things look a lot more primitive in the early stuff; the Sith even look like something you'd see out of the ancient Middle East and use weird talismans to focus their powers.

Canonically there's still a shift in technology, but it seems that artistically things are influenced a lot more by the Far East than they are by the Middle East; ancient Sith and Jedi look a lot more like Chinese soldiers and Japanese Samurai than the... kind of weird blend of everything that they were in Legends.

>>49693427
KotOR was drastically different in art style from basically everything set in that general time period that came before it.

>>49693427
Basically, KOTOR took a lot of inspiration from the old Tales of the Jedi comic book (Bastila was originally going to be the daughter of one of the main characters but then wasn't because the Sunrider name is in legal dispute with a fucking car company or some dumb shit), but the comic itself looked VERY different from the actual films and emphasized the "ancient" nature of the time period, looking kind of like an early medieval period drama but in space.
In the comic book in question (which takes place less then sixty years before KOTOR 1) blaster's actually didn't exist yet and they had "pulse wave" weapons and "energy tubes" which were clearly a shitload cruder.
But come KOTOR1 and suddenly everything looks identical to the films less the sixty years later (complete with the Sith apparently being identical to the Galactic Empire right down to the British accented guys being their officers and their big triangle ships) because if they made the game that looked like the comic people would wonder why it doesn't look like the movies, see? TOR just made it worse and it seemed like it was almost MORE advanced then the later eras.
They even explicitly retconned the look of Basalisk war droids to basically looking like a thicker version of a StarViper-class ship because the war droids old look doesn't really resemble the later films at all.

So basically it USED to have visible technological progression but now doesn't anymore.

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>>49693460
Like those two twins who are the main characters of the Golden Age of the Sith arc and dress like they fell out of Egypt or Mesopotamia for example.

There is no Emotion,
there is My Balls.
There is no Ignorance,
there is My Balls.
There is no Passion,
there is My Balls.
There is no Chaos,
there is My Balls.
There is no Death,
but there is the My Balls.

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>>49693568
>When your best friend cuts your limbs off and your balls get burnt.

>>49693586
There is no fire,
there is My Balls.

>>49693480
I feel like making my game feel a bit more fantasy now, make it feel more like an OLD Republic rather than The Old Republic. Now step one, making Mandalore great again...

>>49693594
Stealing this for Cantina banter.

>>49693595
Go see if you can torrent or download Tales of the Jedi for reference.
Melee weaponry seemed to be a fair bit more the standard weapon back during the comic.

>>49693610
Wouldn't suppose one of the nice anons in this thread has a link laying around would they?

>>49693594
We should have had Ep7- The Phantom Balls

It starts with Darth Vader wanting to scratch nuts that aren't there anymore.
This makes him irrationally angry and liable to choke bitches
Movie continues with Vader choking bitches for the next 84minutes

>>49693619
Maybe
Hungry Ewok http://www.hungry-ewok.ru/sw/all_books.htm

>>49693619
http://getcomics.info/marvel/star-wars-tales-of-the-jedi-collection/
I dunno, does this help?

>>49693622
>Admiral Piett: "Lord Vader, our ships have completed their scan of the area and found nothing. If the Millennium Falcon went into light-speed, it'll be on the other side of the galaxy by now."

>Darth Vader: "I don't know how I feel about that. Let me check something first; do you still have balls, Admiral Piett? Yes? Well then I guess I'm just going to have to choke a bitch until I feel better."

>>49693635
Thanks.

>>49693622
Because he can't 'choke' his bitch anymore, but who actually liked Padme anyway? Fucking pussy ass pacifist bitch, Anakin killing her was the third best part of that movie. not pol, just think that a pacifist in a setting which literally has the word war in the name is a bit uneeded

>>49693695
She did not have a good actress for the part in question.
Unfortunately, neither did he.

>>49693705
Portman is too good for Star Wars, to be quite frank. I suspect she was either smothered by over-direction or couldn't adapt to the green-screen environment.

>>49693765
>I suspect she was either smothered by over-direction or couldn't adapt to the green-screen environment.
That can be said for everyone other than McGregor and McDiarmid, because Obi-Wan stopped giving a shit and Palpatine was actually a fun character.

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>>49693460
But it actually genuinely did advance. The largest ship in KOTOR was about the size of a frigate of the Clone Wars and Empire era and had the firepower of a corvette.

>>49693819
Some of those people are just mediocre actors. Hugh Quashie, for example. And Hayden Christianson. Neeson did well, but suffered a little from the same thing.

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>>49694090
Alright, alright, okay.

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