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Alright /sci/ I want to prove to you that psychic interaction is possible "once and for all." There are two problems with this.

1. If I can't do it reliably, it can't be called science.
2. Proving that it's one thing and not just clever manipulation or some other type of engineered "coincidence" requires a strong mind and proper wielding of Occam's razor.

The beliefs on /x/ have shifted over the past few years to the point where, while magic and occult things are still looked down on, people are ready to admit the belief. Because of this, as some theorize, the world is thus more "open" to magic, as if some kind of anti-magic "veil" has been lifted.

Now, personally, I've never been a strong believer in the veil hypothesis, but it holds are much water as any other magic-based hypothesis. That is to say, not much water at all. I could as well have made this thread years ago, but if it was a topic that wasn't going to stay up on /x/ as well, there'd be no point. I don't want to be the lone "prophet" traveling the world to prove supernatural things to people. Proving it to everyone individually takes way too much time and simply is not feasible in the modern era. If I can prove psychic interaction to you, my reasoning is that /x/ will begin to have the proof it needs to start practicing magic. I'm not asking any of you to take up the mantle, just to witness and analyze my ability in the case that I can demonstrate it reliably. As I hope is obvious, "once and for all" reasoning doesn't work here. In order to do this reliably, I need to be able to do it more or less whenever it's needed. Once for some and once more for proper measurement/analysis.

So I guess to start this off my first question would be, "What can you see happen on /sci/ that you wouldn't dismiss as organized mass roleplaying?"
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i really, really like asian women
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>>8239718
That's just the exotic effect. Asians feel the same way about white people. It's foreign so it's fascinating. We already knew people were curious creatures.
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Mindcontrol Hiro and make him delete 4chan.

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A few weeks ago I was thinking about the idea when I decided to calculate how much money would be needed to make such huge endeavor work.

For the purpose of that conjecture, here is the full scenario:

>Ship will carry 25000 people in cryogenic sleep (Heart beats 3 times a minute, lungs breath in once)
>ship will also carry seed banks, soil samples and embryos of dozens of animals for future use (Chickens, cows, pigs, etc)
>Speed will be about 0.2c to 0.25c
>the colonization target as a planet with an atmosphere roughly equal to that of earth, 1~g and almost sterile landmasses (Only marine life generating the oxygen and some moss/algae in the shores) located about 15 light years away.

For starters, cryogenic tech is not nearly on the level needed to meet my specifications, so that is a huge check for the R&D department. They will also need to develop the drive (Although the theory for a drive capable of such speeds exists it need to be tested and perfected.

Another thing that I needed to take into account was how to protect the ship from interstellar dust and shit. Crashing into a grain of sand at 0.25c is no joke. For the very small particles a magnetic field of about thrice the size of the craft could work as sort of bulbous bow, moving them away before the craft gets near. For anything bigger I decided to take a page from an old discovery channel documentary about possibilities of alien life and simply add a shield in front of the craft made of something lightweight but sturdy (probably the same thing as the space elevator cable but made ridge with some structural pylons behind it.

>to be continued
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>>8246927
Then there is the fact that no rocket is cheap enough to build the colony ship in orbit. It just doesn't work economically speaking. Even the biggest and cheapest of rockets would still make the project way to costly for any non-emergency scenario (i.e. extinction event and people stop caring about money cause they wanna save themselves). To circumvent this I added a space elevator to be built on the equator. It would allow for cargo to be transported up 24/7. Maybe completing the trip to geosynchronous orbit once every 24 hours, and could carry maybe 2 tons each trip.

Already that's a pretty penny to pay for, but it's nothing compared to the ship itself.

I will admit I just went ham and threw numbers at the wall until they stuck (I calculated how much energy the elevator consume in dollars to carry the cargo up, and multiplied that number by 6 to account for the cost of the cargo inside it and workforce building the ship in orbit). I came up with a very big number.

TL;DR I calculated a cost to build such project at about 2 trillion dollars (2016 dollars that is, no idea how much in 2099 money). Does that make sense or am I massively underestimating? Also, feel free to call me a faggot and tell me that I forgot to account for “x” thing
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>>8246928
What's your math?
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>>8246940
Im gonna be honest, I don't remember. The numbers got so big and mixed in the end I just remembered the 2 trilion mark. However, as I said, I got to it by:

>calculated how much energy the elevator consume in dollars to carry the cargo up, and multiplied that number by 6 to account for the cost of the cargo inside it and workforce building the ship in orbit

So maybe I can re-do it sometime. I also think I assumed the elevator had it's own nice nuclear reactor on each end of it to reacharge at a cheaper price.

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>There are many “leaks” in the so-called STEM pipeline, including educational shortfalls and cultural issues like stereotyping. But there may be one issue in particular that’s having a profound impact on the number of women in STEM: the notoriously difficult college math class, Calculus I, a new study from Colorado State University finds.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/calculus-stem-gender-gap_us_57a1b9eee4b0e2e15eb7df83
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>>8247712
>notoriously difficult

>pass me please!!!
>meritocracy is evil!!!! waaaa!!!
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>>8247712
>the notoriously difficult college math class, Calculus I

LOL.

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Who /Durham/ here?

Hopefully going there next year, should my results be good enough (God wills)

What should I keep in mind before I go there? Anything special about the science departments?

I'm signed up for physics, but I might switch to engineering. I don't want to do research, and I want to open a technology or engineering company, so I feel learning how it all works will be more useful than heavily theoretical physics.
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>>8246003
Literally a meme uni for oxbridge rejects
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>>8246003
Can you ask if I can get political asyl to study there ore somewhere else? :D I cant go back home to my country to print my diploma
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>>8246121
No anon, that's Warwick.

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/k/ here. Sorry if I'm breaking any board rules.

How would we go about terraforming Mars?

Is there enough gases trapped in the ice caps that carpet bombing them would release enough CO2 to create a sufficiently pressurized atmosphere? Is there enough oxygen and water in the ground to provide for biochemical processes?

What kind of time frames and challenges would we be up against?

What specific actions would need to be taken?
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>>8229624
I'm willing to wager that there isn't enough trapped in the ice. Having little atmosphere isn't as big of a deal as the Microgravity problem, as well as the lack of a magnetosphere which would mean constant bombardment of harmful solar radiation during the day. The magnetosphere also would help keep the atmosphere on the planet, as the sun is stripping the atmosphere away, albeit very slowly.
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>>8229624
>How would we go about terraforming Mars?
not science, please fuck off
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>>8229624
>How would we go about terraforming Mars?
Slam another planet or decently sized moon into it then wait thousands of years for it to settle down. By then we likely would have better technology which could terraform other planets in other solar systems.

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>study biology for 3 years and now medecine since 5 years
>realize that evolution doesn't make sense at many levels and most of it is simply impossible

I don't wanna sound like a crazy creationnist that I hate but some stuffs are simply impossible:
- the gap between the first random mutation that is not usefull and the lot of mutation needed to produce something usefull that pass through genes is simply too high in some molecule/structure/cells etc. Like the probabily is so small that even 4 billions years and billions of cells evolving can't mathematically explain that.

I can give many specifics example if people want to discuss this.

sorry old man.
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>>8241062
>study biology for 3
>random mutation

Most evolution doesn't involve random mutations. What school did you go to?
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>>8241062

Let's do this.

Give an example.
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>>8241062
>simply
Care to show your simple math?

What products do you wish existed today?
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>>8243175
Space colonization and resource exploitation.
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sexbot
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sexbot

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Is intelligence heritable? Why shouldnt it be? Why is it considered controversial to say that smart people beget smart children while the stupid produce stupid children?

Is selling the lie that anybody can be as intelligent as anyone else necessary for social cohesion?
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define intelligence
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>>8242474
>social cohesion
back to >>>/his/
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It's not that, it's that everyone had the chance to test to see how intelligent they really are, instead of being judged by their benefactors

Also consider that most adults with docked mental ability have it from a disease or injury they're kids won't be born with

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in your opinion?
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grothendieck
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imb4 Neumann, Turing, Kolmogorov, Grothendieck
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>>8238912
My big sister. She taught me how to math when I was only three years old.

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Why do so many people hate math?

I'm asking seriously here, not with that smug sense of superiority so many STEMtards have when it comes to this kind of thing. What is it about math (and to a lesser extent science) that leads to such a volatile hatred of the subject?

Math has a defined wrong or right answer when we start out, which always motivated me to improve. I got more questions wrong than I did right, but I didn't care because I was learning. However, I propose that most people see failure not as something to learn from and recognise as a usual part of development, but as a measure of some fixed quantity now and forever. Personally, I think intelligence can be improved, and I think the more I worked at complex problems the more intelligent and able to deal with novel concepts I became.

However, if you don't believe you can improve these most basic set of attributes, you will fear the subject because you will say, "if my intelligence is fixed, failure measured me forever".

Why do you guys think it is?
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>>8243083
All abstract subjects seem inherently unnecessary to all but the practitioners of that discipline. For the same reason that a modern mathematician might scorn archaic disciplines, while the practioners of those discplines viewed their own abstractions as usefull and simple.

>Math has a defined wrong or right answer when we start out, which always motivated me to improve.
That is neither what math is about nor would any sane individual be motivated by solving baby practice problems.
>I got more questions wrong than I did right, but I didn't care because I was learning. However, I propose that most people see failure not as something to learn from and recognise as a usual part of development, but as a measure of some fixed quantity now and forever. Personally, I think intelligence can be improved, and I think the more I worked at complex problems the more intelligent and able to deal with novel concepts I became.
You don't like math, you like the ego boost you get from associating yourself with it. This is the typical behaviour of kids who were never successful at anything in high-school and need to cling to identifying associations to perserve their ego.

>However, if you don't believe you can improve these most basic set of attributes, you will fear the subject because you will say, "if my intelligence is fixed, failure measured me forever".
>Why do you guys think it is?
Did you seriously just associate mathematical maturity with fluid intelligence? Fuck off retard, go see a shrink, don't study mathematics you'll be terrible at it and end up killing yourself in your early 20s when you realize how little being a fanboy matters.
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why do manlets hate basketball?
people don't like what they're bad at and math-savvy is like its own athleticism
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>>8243115
>All abstract subjects seem inherently unnecessary to all but the practitioners of that discipline.
Excellent explanation as to why most people are fucking idiots. Brilliant.

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Ode to mathematics, seriously,
this
http://www.writeurl.com/text/6un773amggkc3zr2ejpy/wbdvympgflbebyiihalc
text's point you completely missed,
applies sciences and all sciences to their absolute points, if it's necessary! Needed.

Great mathematicians know how be happy, and get shit done without stressing out, or being bossed around, something only few know how to do.

Here's an another example calculation, so simple, you don't even need calculations to solve it, but still the regular math joes aren't capable of solving it on your own, because that'd mean no one would be doing jobs they don't like. :D
http://www.writeurl.com/text/5am5ych55d202j3ffppl/ex9qxgvhql4d3385r9cs

Just, be hostile as usual, attack it,
give me valuable input.
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>>8242796
>be hostile as usual, attack it
>give me valuable input

I don't even know what your point is. Can you clarify?
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>>8242809

I will.

This text is part of a solution I used to get the full time job I wanted.
Mostly it was just a matter of how a person should behave among other people.
So it turned mostly into calculating a simulation of a fictional personality in different scenarios, that eventually I'd run through using my own body. And, those calculations were correct, since I managed to reach the goal.

What I mean attack, valuable input, could you make those calculations even better, more accurate?

Even to the point you are capable of using it yourself, understanding it.
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>>8242796
>those "papers"
Looks like another schizophrenic wandered in from /x/. Nothing to see here.

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Why are imaginary numbers taught in high school and basic astronomical navigation not? Imaginary numbers would only be more helpful than something like astronomical navigation if the individual were to pursue a career in mathematics or physics, outside of that its virtually useless.
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>>8244750
Whenever I steal money from the register at my job as a Walmart cashier I use imaginary numbers to cover the discrepancy.

Works every time.
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>imaginary
>not complex
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>>8244772
how?

Serious question, what are you on about?

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If "free will" is nonsense, then what are people describing when they speak of "effort"?
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>>8244366
Free will isn't nonsense. Free will isn't incompatible with determinism. If you think free will is incompatible with determinism, consider this:

Would you have MORE or LESS free will in a non-deterministic universe, where gorilla butts can speak English & bananas can peel themselves when you softly finger them?

If you think about it, a sense-making (i.e. deterministic) universe is the ONLY type of universe where any semblance of free will could possibly exist.
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>>8244366
Our languages (at least, western languages?) have this assumption of free will in the way they build subjects in sentences. Well.. if you say someone (3rd person) made a lot of effort, that just means he made effort for whatever reason, as a response to whatever impulse his environment sent his body.
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>>8244366
the mental/physical time, thought and energy they've invested into something. Got nothin to do with free will?!

How linear is linear algebra? Where is curvy algebra?
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>>8239056
>Simplification ahead
Linear algebra basically deals with planes, lines, and spaces.
Matrices are vector spaces. Everything is Euclidean geometry.
Euclidean basically means that right angles are 90° and that, given a line, only one parallel line can go through a point.
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>>8239056
it's 'non-linear' not 'curvy'

linear algebra is rooted in the study of systems of linear equations, i.e. all exponents on variables are equal to 1

x+y+z=1
x+y=1 etc.
non-linear is stuff like
x^2=1
x^2+y=1
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[math] (2·X) + (2·Y) = 2·(X + Y) [/math]
linear

[math] (2·X)^2 + (2·Y)^3 = ? [/math]
non-linear

I'm so upset that my genitals were mutilated when I was born by a certified professional medical doctor. It's literally genital mutilation - hey let's give every baby boy this syk body mod that makes their penises lose 90% of their sensitivity! Why is this okay?

Is a class action lawsuit viable? Who would be sued? What would the compensation be? I'm Canadian - is it worthwhile to write a letter to send members of my parliament to suggest a bill banning non medically necessary circumcisions?

We all agree that religions were invented so that the people wouldn't be raping murdering fuckers and also to establish the family unit, right? So what was the point of calling for foreskin excision? So that men wouldn't be as keen to go around fucking like crazy since their dicks feel nothing?
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>>8238725
>>>/adv/

Sue you parents.

I agree though. It is ridiculous. Infants here get circumcision and scrotum reduction. It makes sex less feeling and lowers the sperm count due to increased heat since the testis can't lower properly.
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>>8238725
It doesn't decrease sensitivity. Enough with this shitty persecution complex.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23937309
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>>8238738
Adv sucks. Besides, political science is a legitimate field, right?

And man, I don't want to sue my mom - she was an ignorant signee who was coerced into it. She's not a medical professional, she shouldn't be expected to make that decision. That's like telling parents to decide at birth whether their child should have nipples. And being fed a bunch of bullshit about why nipplecision is preferable and that many people do it.

Honestly, I believe our period of history will be regarded with ridicule for our systematic infant circumcision.

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