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what are you listening recently /classical/?
me right now

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>>69293622
Been listening to Strauss' Metamorphosen.

>>69293748
I'm an autist but I want to be an INTJ.

It'll never happen. Too damn lazy.

>>69293748
>tfw beethoven
Also Bach ENTJ? I could actually see it, he actually was a Chad after all, despite the memes.

>>69293783

>INTP
>tfw I have read the Beethoven's biography recently
>tfw I literally have his same personality

Too bad I'm not a genius.

>>69293851
I scored a 141 on my IQ test a few years back--first one I ever took and it was impromptu.

I'm pretty sure it was just bullshit, though. A smart person wouldn't sit around on his ass all day doing nothing but listening to music and wanking occasionally.

>>69293851
INTP is actually the autiste personality and quite possibly one of the worst you could have.

I am INTP myself and I am doing everything to change.

>>69293748
intp but i relate far more to Reich and Ives

anyone got any pieces that sound like the beginning of The Firebird?

Crap, radiomelasudas-beaumarchais has gone.

>>69293893

It's the best personality if you're a musician and you have someone else who can manage your career.

I'm fairly smart (not as smart as Beethoven, obviously), and being this autistic makes working on music so much easier.

I can just lock myself in my 1room apartment for one month and compose/practice piano non-stop and not feel bad because it is what I wanted to do in the first place.

Playing recitals and composing for commissions is a drag, I'm only at piece when I'm at my house, alone with my piano, a sheet of paper and a pen.

>>69294201
I actually ended up completely quitting playing and composing 3 years ago now... Used to practice like 8 hours a day and write and listen for 4 more.

>>69293748
Schubert

My local opera is playing Mozart's Zauberflöte tonight.
Should I go /mu/? Or should I just watch one of the recorded ones in the folder?

>>69294637
Hey if you have the opportunity to go, then go.

>>69293851
>>69293889
There's still a lot of chance involved in becoming a universal genius, even if you are intelligent enough to be one.

Beethoven's father forced him to practice piano non stop under threats of beatings. If not for his father being a musician himself, Beethoven might have never became one.

Also if you look in history you'll notice that most great men came from well off families. That's a big prerequisite also, you can't really dedicate your life to something if you're worried about food and clothes.

Intelligence and talent isn't enough, there are a lot of serendipitous events involved in the lives of all great men.

>>69293979
man....

wtf

>>69293748
>Although popular in the business sector, the MBTI exhibits significant psychometric deficiencies, notably including poor validity (i.e. not measuring what it purports to measure) and poor reliability (giving different results for the same person on different occasions).[8][9][10


You guys are very stupid.

>>69294728
It's a decent benchmark. I've done it a lot of times over the years and always came up INTJ or INTP. Like it gets the jist of what an individual's personality is like.

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Post fugues.

>>69294728
>giving different results for the same person on different occasions
This is not really a criticism, it is supposed to fluctuate and subject to change over time and with mindset.

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>>69294789

im very new to classical music. my only experience with it is minimalism (which I really like). what websites do you folks use to discover more classical music because rym is pretty bad for it

>>69294917
>my only experience with it is minimalism

sad

>>69294917
bach, mozart, beethoven

>>69294958
this but exclude mozart

>>69294917
www.good-music-guide.com

:)

>>69294983
FURTHER

>>69295010
proof that Bach is superior to Mozart in every way

>>69295088
>Bach is better at writing symphonies or operas

>>69294917

You don't have to ''discover'' it. Classical music has been extremely meritocratic thorough the centuries.

As someone else stated earlier, listen to Bach (Well Tempered Clavier and The Art of Fugue), Beethoven (basically everything besides minor stuff such as menuets and songs) and Mozart (same thing, everything but minor works).

>>69295105
Yep

>tfw almost every great composer was a high functioning alcoholic
>tfw almost every composer would have become a DUDE WEED if they were born in this century

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>>69295110
>and Mozart

Just listen to Bach.

>>69295137
not true at all

go rationalize your degeneracy elsewhere

>>69294789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV4khmUhMrQ

>>69294917

keep in mind that mozart is actually underrated and that /classical/ is filled with trolls

>>69295162
this desu, not even memeing

>>69295159

Prove me wrong.
Bach, Hadyn, Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert were all raging alcoholics (especially Beethoven).
Why do you think that they would have not dabbled with soft drugs (that weren't available at the time) such as weed, lsd and shrooms?

>>69295177
Cause alcohol use and drug use betray different pathologies and personalities.

Especially analytic minds like Bach, Haydn and Mozart would likely NOT experiment with such.

>>69295201

>Hadyn and Mozart would have not experimented with weed

I'm laughing at you.

>>69294789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs7TqUlSBMI

>>69295201
>Cause alcohol use and drug use betray different pathologies and personalities.

>>>/r9k/

>>69295177
the burden of proof is on you

>Beethoven tries crack
>start writing the fastest piano sonatas in existence
>his symphonies are now all in presto and they're even louder

>>69294637
yes. perhaps make share the evening with a qt who enjoys opera

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Waltzes > Nocturnes

>>69295201
>Bach, Hadyn, Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert were all raging alcoholics (especially Beethoven).

>>69295530
>>69294637
opera isn't music

go to broadway for that overly dramatic theatrical bullshit

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Is there any chorale work by any classical writer that resembles the harmonies written by pic related?
Stuff like these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqXibjCZy5Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-uDOsoMdGY

do you guys still listen to pop?

since i got into classical i can't even stand pop music anymore

it's all so primitive compared to classical

>>69295565
you always get so asshurt whenever opera is brought up. contain your autism, sperg

>>69295616
>>>/tv/

opera doesn't belong in this thread or board

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Favorite opera? I'd have to say Wozzeck. Great stuff. Doesn't mess around at all.

Is ranking the 9th over the 5th the ultimate pleb move?

>>69295880
Probably Parisfal or Pelleas. The latter was heavily influenced by the former so I guess it makes sense why I would like it. Very ethereal and all that.

>>69295577
"Our Prayer" isn't written by Brian Wilson.

>>69295889
>is ranking the literal greatest symphony of all time over a meme symphony the ultimate pleb move?

No. Ranking the 5th over the 9th would be pleb.

>>69296050
is what a pleb would say

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>>69296050
>literal greatest symphony of all time

>>69296050
By this point the 9th is probably a bigger meme.

And objectively NOTHING tops the last 2 movements of the 5th

>>69296099
Every musicologist thinks so.

>>69296118
Musicologists are progressives and do not account for taste and temperance.

>>69296141
Try again.

>>69296166
Progressives in the sense that they see music history as a march towards a goal.

Is there any database with recommended recordings of all the essential stuff?

>>69296182
yep
rateyourmusic.com

>>69295880
Otello is the GOAT

>>69296192
>recommended recordings

>>69296274
WE

>>69296117
1st movement of the 9th >>>>>> Everything in the 5th

>>69296448
this

>>69294789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXATs66jJA

>>69295565
>this is what plebeians actually believe

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oratorio = true musical composition, one composer, no librettist, non-theatrical

opera = overwrought theater pieces for drama kids; it's more theatrical than it is musical, typically involves collaboration


glad we cleared that up

>>69296048
It is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Prayer

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Post Gesualdo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9QGegNunUE

>>69296845
My bad, i got Gee (which has a section based on the Crows song) mixed up with Our Prayer

Is Berlioz firetruck-core or not?

>>69297482
shut up

>>69297517
I just wanna see what you guys think about him, is that too much to ask?

>bog Cia agent
>bog didn't live in the United states

>>69295550
Nah, the waltzes are fun and catchy but he just wrote those as practice pieces for teaching his students.
It seems like the entire genre of waltzes gets written off by people. I read about R. Strauss getting trashed for writing one, and nobody really cares about the other Strausses outside New Year's in Vienna.

>>69294684
who r u malcolm gladwell

>>69293686
This piece might be a musical sophistication litmus test. It was kind of weird the first time I heard it. Now it sounds positively romantic. Same with Verklarte Nachte and Grosse Fuge

>>69293893
INFP might be worse
Those of us who are just un-autistic enough to really like people and desperately want to connect to them, but are still too afraid to do so

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>parents sign me up for classes when I was 8
>always use sheet music and play solo
>I got pretty good
>now in college
>couple friends play together
>they find out I play piano and want me to play with them
>they find out I've been playing for over 10 years
>they probably expect me to be a god
>tfw turns out I can't improvise and can't even a simple blues in a band setting

>>69299002
Improvising and interplay is a skill unto itself. I came into this from the other end, with a jazz background so I've struggled with the opposite.

>>69295880
Madame Butterfly

Which one of you was the dummy that tried to make a new thread?

>>69299139
You

>>69296182
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/classical-music/best-classical-recordings/
This is actually a great resource

>>69295577
just listen to gershwin and get the fuck >>>/out/

>>69295530
Unfortunately no one I know is into opera.
But the performance was still pretty amazing.

>>69299285
>Unfortunately no one I know is into opera.
Yeah, they probably want music, not Broadway.

Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3j3h0Ucli4

>>69299002
>>69299056

piano for ~15yrs here - grew up taking lessons only playing gospel tunes and hymns like a good southern boy then later took lessons from an old jazz pianist.

Can't play classical music worth shit and don't know any jazz tunes but I can improvise really well i think and read sheet music perfectly fine.

Wish I got trained for classical music, though. I'm 22, think it's too late in the game for me to get good at classical music?

>>69301115
If you can read sheet music and play piano then what's holding you back from playing classical?

>>69301251

i guess myself, ive never heard of anyone getting good at classical music unless they started when they were like 5 or something so as to develop good technique & habits and stuff.

Always felt like since I hadn't touched the stuff really before that I'm too old to do any more than fumble around a lot with it.

>>69301115
I started playing classical at 17 and got started with a performance degree, started composing at the same time too and got my stuff performed more than once by the new music society. Jazz here too, play(ed) bass though.

>>69301309
I'm not sure what his childhood was like but Keith Jarrett records both jazz and classical. As long as you've been practicing you've got a huge advantage over absolute beginners.

There is such an ungodly amount of music in those mega files. This has to be the most difficult genre of music to get into.

>>69301410

I was wondering about this - is there a chart (or charts) of /classical/ recommended recordings & performances?

Only thing I know so far is to stay away from stuff with Karajan's name on it.

>>69301429
Karajan is great, what are you talking about? His Beethoven is amazing

>>69301410
It's easy to listen to but the most difficult by far to become knowledgeable enough to join in discussions. Everyone's already heard lots of classical tunes, so it's not like trying to get into noise or drone.

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>>69301442
WEE OOOO

WEEE OOOO

WEEEE OOOOO

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>>69301429

Is there a better organ song than Tocatta and Fugue?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnuq9PXbywA

>>69301429
Eh, not really true. I've listened a bit to his Beethoven set and the 3rd was great. (1 and 8 not so much, admittedly).
You have access to thousands of recordings, coming across some that aren't ideal isn't really a problem. Just search for an another version, and identify the performers that you consistently (don't) like.

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>>69301442
>Karajan is great
>His Beethoven is amazing

>>69301526
old meme

>>69301614
>song

This is my favorite organ piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5isYiTEUE4

>>69301555
Seems kind of useless without linking composers to conductors. I feel bad for anyone who reads Klemperer is a good conductor then listens to his St. Matthew Passion for example.

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>>69301829
Plenty of people wanted recording recs with the conductors when I made it originally.. I made this but I'm too lazy and busy with college to finish.

If anyone wants to pick up that'd be cool.

>>69301429
there's enough spoonfeeding here already

fuck off

>>69301883
Now this is valuable even if it's unfinished.

>>69301429
>Michael Tilson Thomas
Mahler, Gershwin, Weill
>Pierre Boulez
Ravel, Debussy, Berlioz, Webern, Berg
>Sandor Vegh
Mozart, Schubert, Bach
>Nikolas Harnoncourt
Mozart, Bach, Schumann
>Peter Eotvos
Schoenberg, Bartok, Stravinsky (also, Kurtag, Stockhausen and Ligeti)
>Rinaldo Alessandrini
Monteverdi, Gesualdo
>Ivan Fischer
Bartok, Kodaly, Mahler
>Luciano Berio
Mahler, Berio
>Giusepe Sinopoli
Puccini
>Rene Leibowitz
Beethoven
>Lothar Zagrosek
Eisler, Schreker

Can't go wrong with these

What's your favorite scarlatti sonata?

mine is the k 553

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJpHcTi7w_8

>>69295177
Beethoven was the only "raging alcoholic" on you list, and even then he wasn't a full fledged alcoholic, he actually got shit done. Started his mornings with coffee not ale.

If you knew any contemporary composers you'd know most of them are pretty straight edge. They enjoy the odd glass of wine or a beer after work, but they rarely indulge in drugs.
These days some would have tried weed in their youths, but they would have grown out of it.

Most composers are down-to-earth nerds who work really hard and dont tend to party. Most classical performers are like this too, except brass players and double bassists who can party pretty hard.

>>69303078

>saying things like "growing out of weed" unironically

kill yourself

>>69303078
Sibelius certainly was an alkie but only in his later years. Whether he lost the ability to compose because of alcohol or took up alcohol because he lost the ability is unclear. Mussorgsky too obviously.

>>69303197
Yeah but notice how they usually stop being composers when they're alcoholics. Being a drunk takes up a lot of time and isn't really conducive to fine, detailed work like composing.

Mussorgsky was Russian and not even really trained until later on, so he's kind of the odd one out. Also he wasn't drunk all the time like a true alcoholic, he really dedicated himself to music for many years.

>>69303141
you might understand when you grow up. using words like "unironically" and telling people to kill themselves is pretty childish.

>>69303078
I know a brass player. He's 18 and has never drunk alcohol or even seen a joint. We literally went to a club once where he was just sitting around like a faggot while everyone else was drinking vodka and rum.

>>69296851
>a literal cuckold

Requesting the chart for the Debussy folder

>>69304050
>implying
He killled both of them and served no sentence for it, that's a low inhibition dom slayer, not a cuck

>>69303078

Mozart and Haydin were both very used to drink alcohol heavily. Bach was mostly sober during the day but he was a regular in a local pub.
I know that they got shit done, that's why I said that they were high-functioning alcoholics.

>If you knew any contemporary composers you'd know most of them are pretty straight edge
>contemporary composers

Most famous contemporary composers are hacks anyway.

>Most composers are down-to-earth nerds who work really hard and dont tend to party. Most classical performers are like this too, except brass players and double bassists who can party pretty hard.

You have never played in any orchestra and never attended any music college.
Literally everyone is addicted to something, especially in orchestras, where alcohol, stims and sometimes even opiates are a remedy to stage anxiety.
I'd say that 80% of the musicians I've played with in orchestras were almost junkies.

>>69304746
>Most famous contemporary composers are hacks anyway.
not an argument.

>I'd say that 80% of the musicians I've played with in orchestras were almost junkies.
You either dont know what a real junkie is, or its just your city / specific orchestra. I've worked with a lot of performers and they tend to be quiet nerds.

>>69304844

>You either dont know what a real junkie is, or its just your city / specific orchestra.

Maybe ''junkie'' is a bit too harsh but almost everyone dabbles with drugs, no one was a tweaker but almost everyone had an actual problem with drugs.
It is known and you can find tons of studies and articles about it.

>I've worked with a lot of performers and they tend to be quiet nerds.

Wait until they get in their mid 20s.

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>>69302991
>played by japanese harpsichordist Uminoshiratori on a digital cembalo.

>>69305065
i couldn't find the ross version on youtube playing only that sonata

>>69305291
scarlatti is pretty brilliant, and so is ross
i still haven't listened to the complete set though

are there any recordings of medieval music, church or secular, which include instruments like the organistrum, hurdy-gurdy, simphonia, other similar drone instruments, etc. ??

>>69298812
A lot of Schoenberg in general is bursting with romanticism, especially when interpreted properly. There's that famous quip from Schoenberg, "My music is not modern, it is merely badly played." It's basically an admonishment against playing his music in a more generic 20th century manner.

Is this Purcell's greatest masterpiece?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARyq4V3Pw_c

>>69306969
>make shit music
>blame performers when it sounds like shit

lol

Admit that you like Rach 2 and I will forgive you.

Name your top 5 favorite albums (to keep it classical, you have to have a classical recording in your 5, otherwise don't post)

Just curious. Are there any scales which encompass more than one octave?

>>69308601
Just curious. Are you retarded?

>>69308640
probably. Now answer my question or else

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_BNjJutK_4A

What's the piano piece at the beginning?

>>69308872
Fur Elise

>>69308872
forget what its called but its by Schubert and its not from his sonatas if that helps

>>69304962
>almost everyone dabbles with drugs,
caffeine is a drug. nicotine is a drug. paracetamol is a drug lots of things are drugs with little to no effect on your life. Heroin is something you become a junkie with, meth, opium, etc. Not really things classical performers tend to take.

>>69304962
>Wait until they get in their mid 20s.
The performers I was dealing with were all over 25
People tend to do drugs during their teenage years, into mid 20s. By the time they're in a professional orchestra and around 30, they're pretty clean drugs wise.

On Wikipedia it says the Devil's Trill sonata has double stop trills. Is that what I'm hearing at this part? Are the notes a fifth apart always or does it take 3 fingers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs&t=13m14s

This dude is jamming hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ307sM0t-0&t=2m46s

>>69308909
>>69309020

no one else?

>>69310610

Found it, it was Moment Musical n. 3

Do you guys like Peter Grimes by Benjamin Britten? About to listen to the Sir Colin Davis/Royal Opera House version

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Bump

Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd-dpylS2Jc

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Does anyone have this 2007 recording of Mozart's requiem? pls

>>69308076
E. Power Biggs - Bach On the Pedal Harpsichord
O. Klemperer - WDR - Beethoven Missa Solemnis 1955
G. Gould - Bach - The French Suites
P. Jacobs - The legendary Busoni recordings and works by Bach, Brahms, Messiaen
Busch Quartet - The late Beethoven quartets

Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coUNdtZ-ShA

>>69301614
widor is my personal favourite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZQ--KHn21A

>>69314176
anyone? :(

>>69316024
Did you check rutracker, soulseek, blogs, archive etc?

Any suggestions for romantic/turn of century piano only music? I'm trying to put together a CD for a Christmas present with stuff like Chopin and Debussy.... but I only know Chopin and Debussy.

>>69316384
The Busoni transcriptions of Brahms Chorales

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBpmSAfbqMM

>>69316384
Liszt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qrSZ88Suq4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6mkg0KNco

(:

>>69306262
>>69306262

>>69316533
This guy is such a smug normie asshole

>you gotta listen to Bruno Marz to make good moosics hurrdurr

>>69316533
Congrats on the killer channnel Poly. You're actually kind of hot.

>>69316964
>You're actually kind of hot.
Jesus fucking goddamn Christ get some taste. Shortskulled slav subhuman with literally no bones in his face, disgusting.

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>>69316384
Arensky, Ravel.

>>69316964
that aint my channel, nor is that me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKAdQ1j2qlk

just remembered this exists

>>69317008
>implying I'm not just screwing with Poly

>>69317122
poly's name is Jensen something though, that's not him.

>>69317079
>if I give you a third note it will be like too easy
>just a semitone interval

Literally what the fuck

>>69317145
I know that's not him. That's part of the bantz m80

>>69317182
Wow I especially failed, its actually a tone. fml

Quick, anon, post your favorite Bach cantata!

>BWV 156 - Ich steh mit einem Fuß im Grabe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-2FVcWkPCs

>>69317684
BWV 82, 170

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpb8KmpmDio

>>69317767
82 for me as well.

>>69310030
>24th caprice
>not 1st or 5th

into the trash it goes

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Post your favorite Schubert piece. NOW.

>>69318683
Piano Sonata Op. 53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zav4rCAu-c

>>69318683
Der hirt auf dem felsen

Also, just got an invitation to sing bass solos in a performance of his Mass no. 2 next year.

>>69318683
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD12AOCty0Q

Sonata 21

>>69318683
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnL46DY8yNk

>>69318683
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYxOEHQ0QQ

>>69320065
Why would you post a fucking clavichord rendition of all things? This sounds like 8bit wank because there are no dynamics and there isn't even the resonance of a harpsichord. What a dumbfuck you are.

>>69320138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPDbbof4yFI

>>69318683
Winterreise, Der Lindenbaum
Thomas Quasthoff and Charles Spencer

>>69318683
>>69320757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg

>>69320788
>Fischer Dieskau
meh..
I really really like Brendel though

>>69320757
>>69320788
>>69320836
Superior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhkNeGarjzU

>>69320903
The video doesn't work for me
Anyway I still prefer Quasthoff (or Goerne) to Prey.

>>69296833
>oratorio
>no librettist
What?

>>69318683
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGxjb876LyE

Most original pick ITT come the fuck at me

>>69321585
GERMAN IDEALISM

>>69321633
Yes, both Schubert and Goethe were in a way idealists.

>... the time has come to declare Bach the greatest modernizer of European music, the key agent in inscribing music into the Newtonian scientific-formalized universe. Prior to Bach’s time, music was perceived within the Renaissance horizon of harmonia mundi: its harmonies were conceived as part of the global harmony of the universe, expressed in the harmony of celestial spheres, of (Pythagorean) mathematics, of society as a social organism, of the human body―all these levels harmoniously reflected in each other. Around Bach’s time, a totally different paradigm started to emerge: that of a “well-tempered” scale, in which musical sounds are to be arranged following an order not grounded in any higher cosmic harmony, but which has an (ultimately arbitrary) rational structure. (True, Bach was obsessed with the Pythagorean mysticism of numbers and their secret meanings, but the status of this obsession is exactly the same as that of Newton’s obscurantist Gnostic fantasies which comprise more than two thirds of his written work: a reaction to the true breakthrough, an inability to assume all its consequences.) This was Bach’s true fidelity (in the Badiouian sense): to draw all the consequences from this de-cosmologization of music. All the talk about Bach’s deep spirituality, about how his oeuvre is dedicated to God, should not deceive us here: in his musical practice, he was a radical materialist (in the modern formalized-mathematized sense), exploring the immanent possibilities of the new musical formalism. It is the “Italian” re-assertion of emotional melody (pursued also by his composer-son who, in taking this line, committed a kind of parricide and was for a short while even more popular than his father) which marked the expressive-idealist reaction to Bach’s materialist breakthrough.

- A footnote in Slavoj Žižek's "Less Than Nothing"

Thoughts?

What is the best recording of K.314? I know pretty much nothing about oboists.

>>69322117
i like the Holliger version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbxYtphXZME

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>>69322202
>mfw this is actually what I'm listening to right now since I just went for the oldest recording without non-whites I could find

/mu/ I can't find Schubert's Die Forelle compilation with Fischer-Dieskau anywhere, anyone got a mega?

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>>69321947

>>69318231
>5th caprice
my nigger

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How do I stop myself listening to Dvorak's 9th for the 100th time in a row? It's like I only have ears for that symphony right now. I'm worried that I'll listen to it too much then start to dislike it, like I have for damn near everything I listen to.

>>69323714
Listen to his 6, 7, and 8th symphonies. They're frequently overlooked and are quite good as well.

>>69323714
Listening to Dvorak 7+8 maybe. 7 is GOAT

>>69323714
Cello Concerto

wertyuiop

>>69323714
Stab your timpani so you can't hear anything else again.
That way only the memories will remain, always sublime.

>>69304320
it's just the album covers over a a white background, why do you want it?

not even the best debussy albums you can get either

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Why are the Russians so good? Pos your favorite russian

>>69325798
Look at that smug motherfucker.
>he will never laugh at you while you try to play one of his sonatas
Why even live?

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>>69325798

>>69325882
I Shostakovitch being a literal fireman the best thing to ever happen in /classical/? I would say that Weber's descendant being a youtube autist is close second

>>69326225
Is*

>>69326225
>Weber's descendant being a youtube autist
What

>>69326265
He was in an theamazingatheist video, i think it was "best songs ever" or something?

>>69326286
I want to see this but I also don't want to sift through any of banana boy's videos to find it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alvPppffh6Q
>Cody Weber
...

>>69322771
fucking lost it at scatological toad

>>69293076
>classical music
this is an 18+ board

>>69326941
yeah, all other threads should just leave

>>69326941
people dont usually get into classical until they're over 25.

You might understand once you get there

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What's your favorite old meme recording?

So how about that Mozart?

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>>69327573

>>69293076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmDBO-T9nio&list=WL&index=55

>>69328106
are you trying to underrate him?

where do i start with classical? just listening to the general folders?

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>>69328150
Listen to Mozart

>>69328150
The Beethoven Symphonies conducted by Rene Leibowitz

>>69327119
Gentle reminder that jazz has the eldest fans on average.

>>69328270
Do live jazz records have everyone in the audience wheezing and coughing?

>>69294684
outliers detected

>>69328261
>>69328190
thanks guys

i downloaded some Vivaldi concertos as well, liking this a lot so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-smWesDFkk8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giVXGrjqUeI

One of America's greatest composers coming through.

>>69329503
Ives is shite

>>69329503
is he capable of writing anything other than the Unanswered Question over and over?

>>69301614
As much as I like Trost, holy fuck that I/II coupling looks unresponsive. The T&F in D is fun but incredibly cliche.

>>69301751
good taste

>>69316006
Absolutely fantastic organ - it's currently undergoing restoration, and you can see all the guts of the instrument if you google schyven-orgel. To be fair, that is technically a transcription of Bach and would generally be credited as Bach-Widor if you were to assemble a program or concert notes.

I'm very fond of Durufle's Prelude & Fugue sur le nom d'A.L.A.I.N. . I prefer Jean-Baptiste Robin's version of this at Saint-Eustache, but this version has far better audio and is still a very good performance on one of the best instruments on the planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b43q9gv-Iyo

>>69301614
Hey I sung there a few months ago. Organ is tuned up a semitone from what I remember.

Nice place overall though

>>69329503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UZq09F9RR4

yes

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I loved Moz's requiem
Where now?

>>69332990
Beethoven's Missa Solemnis

>tfw just got my grade 10 in piano performance
>try to play the 4th hammerklavier sonata movement
>become extremely depressed and start pondering about quitting piano for good

Jesus Christ, what the fuck was wrong with Beethoven? I can play Liszt's Trascendental Etudes quite decently but this is just next level to me. I look at that fucking score and that fucking metronome marking and somehow I already know that I won't ever be able to play it.

>>69333090
I like Haydn's Seven Last Words just as much as the next guy, but what are you smoking? Missa takes 1'10 when it's paced well by the conductor, and there are plenty of Seven Last Words performances that are paced at around that length as well. The famous Harnoncourt one goes at 1'02. There isn't really a huge difference in terms of length between the two works.

>>69333181
Even tip-top virtuosi have issues with the Hammerklavier finale. It's one of the most feared works in the repertoire for a reason.

>>69333192

disregard pussy and acquire divine virtue

>>69333197

Yeah, it's shocking that not even legends such as Kempff or Richter never managed to play it at full speed.

I've heard lots of interpretations (especially from modern pianists, since there is such an emphasis on technique) but the only one that truly satisfied me is the one contained in the Ashkenazy's LBV piano sonata cycle.
It's the only acceptable imho

>>69333207

It seems shallow to me. Are you really content with just playing shitty tunes on an inferior instrument?

>>69333213
Fair enough, but Haydn's Seven Last Words FEELS longer to me because even though the content is quite interesting, there tempi throughout nearly all the movements is kind of homogeneous.

>>69333210
try Korstick or Rosen's earlier recording

>>69333210
What do you think of Backhaus' Carnegie Hall recording?

>>69333478
not him, but that one is pretty top-tier as well but if only he took the first movement faster.

>>69333210
try gulda

ihhgf

Sorry, can someone give me a mega link for Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake (Op. 20) performed by Arthur Fiedler / Boston Pop Orchestra?

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>tfw listening to Xenakis' piano works for the first time
HELB WAD IS HABBEDING

>>69336057
They're awesome. Evryali a best

>>69336340
I'm really digging Herma. I feel like it contrasts extreme denseness with really sparce passages nicely.

>>69333181

I know that feel. I've listened to the Hammerklavier Sonata multiple times, but apparently it's not enough to understand how tough the piece is. As soon as you give a glance to the score all your certainities will be shattered.

>tfw you started too late and some pieces are simply impossible for you
>tfw the only thing that make you cope with that is knowing that Horowitz never managed to learn the Chopin Etudes

Technique is not everything, esecially in this day and age. Every famous pianist has perfect technique, still no critics is praising Krissin or Lang Lang (Uchida may be the only exception). Their interpretation is just too boring. You should work on that.

Post GOAT Hammerklavier performances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U0eISeT92k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKlLPe86Flk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOnF79xaxg

>>69337949

Schnabel and Solomon are not loud enough (but it may be due to the recording).

Kempff goes way too slow.

https://open.spotify.com/track/1VUIq9C3k2PebvJ3xWoaEy

This is the performance I was talking about. Imho nobody played the fugato as well as Ashkenazy in this recording.

>tfw the red wine you have isn't as nice as expected
>tfw you have to write an essay with a really awkwardly phrased question
>tfw you're shitposting on 4chan instead of doing it
>tfw can't decide what to listen to while contemplating all of the above

>>69338894

Join the group and listen to the Hammerklavier Sonata.
The third movement is perfect if you have to write something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKqFl6Tb4bw

>tfw Beethoven actually wrote the Hammerklavier Sonata 200 years ago
>tfw someone managed to compose pure classical perfection and you still can't get over it

>>69332990
brahms' requiem

>>69320836
>>69320903
The only one I've listened to was for a paper I had to write, always open to different performances.

>>69294333
so why did you stop?

>>69338941
Haven't listened to it in a while actually. Op. 109 is my favourite so that often takes precedence.

Decided to listen to a qt Schubert mass for the moment. May go for Missa Solemnis after this. Anyone have an interesting recording I won't have heard?

Scherchen's Messiah remains one of the most baffling recordings I've ever heard.

>that 9 minute long final amen fugue
>And He Shall Purify 30 seconds-1 minute faster than everyone else does it
>10 minute long I Know that my Redeemer Liveth
>15 minutes of He Was Despised

>>69339369
And a GOAT tenor and then a bass who sings the whole thing like it's G&S

fiopklnmbhkiopvijwkljbnas c

>>69340317
What did he mean by this?

Is there any conductor that takes the baroque music of The Messiah Oratorio and adapts to another style?

>>69340353
What do you mean? Like the Beecham extravaganza?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa_UyGvh2po

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Anyone heard this before?

Don't know much about classical music this is an amazing album.

>>69337949
Arrau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi2QWaD2dZ8
Gulda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf9eZdeS8es

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>>69339040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X0I-2egC1s

>>69340588
Anything more like this?

Want to get more into Classical music

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>>69340588
This is better

does anyone who is a fan of bach know this bach piece? starts at 1:06 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQW4aUDjd2k

>>69341210
Prelude in B-flat major from Book 1 of the WTC

>>69340969
Thanks, this is pretty good. I think I like this Indian classical fusion stuff.

Is there a list of stuff like this I could find?

>>69341445
try ravi shankar on youtube

>>69341445
>fusion
>vomiting_man.jpg
every "fusion" album ends up being two diluted forms of music rather than some substantial combination. "jack of two trades, master of none"

listen to Vilayat Khan.

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anyone have a working download of this?

Who is Petzold

>>69343797
he wrote the worst Bach piece

>>69340473
Yeah! Something like that.

>>69343797
a big guy

I signed up for piano lessons did I do good, /classical/?

>>69345093
Stick with it and I'll be proud of you, son.

I just listened to Einaudi on the radio and was wondering: is he shit? What's his most famous composition?