/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

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first for the eternal GOAT, /sffg/ is a Wolfeman thread now and forever

What do I read after Dune? I loved it and I kind of want more.

>>9914214
Hyperion and Foundation

>>9914263
I didn't find foundation very similar to dune tbf (to be frank)

>>9914522
Only other thing I could think of that comes even close. The golden path and psychohistory is kind of similair.

not really huge a /lit/ guy, here, but ive been reading old mans war at the behest of a friend and now finished metal boxes book 4.
can you guys recommend me similar books? i liked the serious tones of old mans war but also the more humorous style of metal boxes so either way is fine. bonus points for books that have audiobooks as i can absorb those while i work.

>>9916383
wrong thread. go here: >>9913633

>>9913628
So, I just finished the Prince of Nothing trilogy, the first trilogy anyway. A thought occurs: why the hell don't sorcerers wear heavy armor when they go to war? The only way mundane soldiers pose a threat to them is through Chorae arrows, but the arrows have to make contact with skin to work. And their spellcasting is entirely verbal, there's no somatic components to be fucked up nor is there any "large amounts of metal interfere with mana" rule at play in this universe. Logic dictates that sorcerers should go to war armored like fucking turtles, the only reason they'd have not to is if they're too lazy to train to bear the weight.

>never read ringworld
>have had heard of the concept of course
>Imagine it'll be a great sci-fi story with lots of high tech shit
>read it
>it's not at all what I expected
>all the sci-fi shit with aliens and teleporters and levitating beds is on earth
>The Ringworld itself turns out to be more of an expedition trough uncharted savage territory
I don't hate it, but it was not at all what I expected. What to read next?

>>9918850
Rama, Blindsight and Gateway are also part of the "big shit in space" genre

>>9918854
To be honest I think I'm mostly a fan of the "living on stations/ships" stuff.
The best part of The Expanse series for me was the very beginning where we learned about the Belter physicality and mentalities, how they live, racism from and against them and little things like the fact that the fun absolutely ends when you fuck with their water/air supply and if they catch you doing it they'll lynch you by throwing you out of an airlock.
It's pretty fucking great.

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What's the worst case of Mary Sue/Gary Stu you've read in SFF?

>>9918024
>the only reason they'd have not to is if they're too lazy to train to bear the weight.
You didn't read the series did you? Akka was a fat literal faggot. He was too good to wear armor or train with the soliders. Schoolmen were like those elites back in the day with top hats calling other people working class scum.

>>9918883
The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress has that in spades.

>>9919238
Daenerys in ASOIAF.

>>9918024
They have to gesture and stuff
The swayali wore heavy gowns and used thick scarves as shields for that purpose

>>9919238
John Carter in ERB's Barsoom series, singlehandedly winning against masses of taller multi-limbed aliens, winning the instant respect of hostile tribes, and finding a way out of a tight spot. Burroughs is good at describing aliens and exotic scenery though.

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>read fantasy book
>dozens of characters are introduced only by their names and gender
>no characteristics or looks described
>imagine someone as a bald average dude
>hundreds of pages later a there's a throwaway line about his onyx black skin and long flowing blonde hair

This shit infuriates me to no end. Why do writers do this?

>>9919238
Travis S. Taylor's Warp Speed. Basically a Gary Stu fanfic about the author and his astronaut girlfriend, you can find more detail in various reviews but it's easily summed up by saying that the author's goodreads page has quotes by himself on it and they include "I love my haters." It's one of the books that made teenage-me realize that no, anything Baen publishes isn't worth reading.

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>>9919593
They're bad writers.

Feeling pretty unsatisfied after Urth of the New Sun

It's well written and from a technicaly standpoint it's impressive I admit, but I haven't really felt it's an especially engaging or focused story. Does long sun or whatever follows get more interesting, or just more of Sev meandering about and occasionally getting spooked

>>9919629
Long Sun has nothing to do with it

>>9919637
I see
ok well I guess that's me done with Wolfe

how do i become so /lit/ that my mere presence sets librarians panties on fire?

>>9918024
I think the idea is that casting sorceries - especially the Gnosis - is incredibly exhausting, so loose fitting cloth is a bit more manageable than heavy armor. I believe in later books there are some examples where sorcerers of rank go armored, though.

>>9919717
don't bother, they're shit birds, even if they're in good shape
literary women have no passion or fire, they go through life ticking boxes

other than Gateway, what's some scifi with decent romancing

>>9919730
im pretty sure everyone can be trained

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any vlad taltos fans here? was recommended to me by a friend and it certainly looks promising

Somebody was asking about scifi with furries in it last thread?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24983620-the-vimana-incident
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MY02OXB/
https://www.amazon.com/Transmission-Lost-Stefan-Mazzara-ebook/dp/B015EUV4QY/

>>9919238
Every single character from The Icemark Chronicles.
Without a doubt the biggest piece of shit i've ever suffered through.

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How far along are you guys?

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>Anon the drowned and dripping corpses went away; and Fulbra was stripped by the Torturers and was laid supine on the palace floor, with iron rings that bound him closely to the flags at knee and wrist, at elbow and ankle. Then they brought in the disinterred body of a woman, nearly eaten, in which a myriad maggots swarmed on the uncovered bones and tatters of dark corruption; and this body they placed on the right hand of Fulbra. And also they fetched the carrion of a black goat that was newly touched with beginning decay; and they laid it down beside him on the left hand. Then, across Fulbra, from right to left, the hungry maggots crawled in a long and undulant wave...

>>9919845
>forcing yourself to read
I've read approximately 20-25 books this year.

>>9919852
>forcing yourself to read
Has nothing to do with that. I read what I will. It's just fascinating to see how many books you read in a year. (bragging) I don't have a social life, nor a semen demon to steal my mana. So I read when I have free time (or when I'm not playing league)

>>9919851
Would maggots attack healthy flesh? Can you have maggots attack a healthy person this way?

>>9919877
I wish I had more time to read tbhtq. I should probably spend less time shitposting.

>>9919885
Nah, you can even use maggots to clean out a wound. They'll eat the dead tissue and leave you alone.

>>9919885
Poor old King Fulbra had already had a bit of a going over at this point. This is an excerpt from The Isle Of Torturers, one of CAS's Zothique stories.

>>9919809
Some needs to answer this, I'm interested as well.

What's the consensus on Bakker's latest book?
What was the point of Mimara?
Does anyone have the short story mentioned a couple of threads back ? (knife of many hands) ?

>>9919932
Consensus seems to be that TGO and TUC should've stayed one book.

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>>9919760
That was really good, I think he hit the nail on the head about why Tolkien is so different, why his work feel so authentic.

>>9920007
Yeah, I wish there were more of his talks on the web but I have a hard time finding them.

You can find similar things over at online university shit like mythgard though.

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is this good?

>>9920027
No, it's shit.

>>9913651
I am so stoked next semester i get to teach a world lit for science majors from antiquity to the present ... gonna end eith brighter than a thousand suns about the creation of the atomic bomb and fifth head of cerberus. From herodotus and the iliad to wolfe ... ohhhhh yeahhh. Oppenheimer's granddaughter is coming to talk to my class

>>9920085
*with

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What makes an alien hot?

What books are unashamed in their use of hot alienettes.

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Are there any books as comfy as the first two Harry Potter?

>>9920164
it's subjective to the other party's tastes.

>>9920164
appealing skin colors are key
but what's also important is a flair of the exotic mixed with the familiar.

>Asoka and the Twi'Lek having the appendages on their heads while still maintaining a human face and sexy body
>Tali from Mass effect having different shapes to her hands and feet in addition to the mystery being forced to live in a bio-suite, but still rocking a nice set of hips and a charmingly human personality

>>9918024
>And their spellcasting is entirely verbal, there's no somatic components to be fucked up
There are actually though the prose doesn't call much attention to them. They prefer huge bits of cloth armor in the later books.

>the only reason they'd have not to is if they're too lazy to train to bear the weight.
Also this.

>>9919422
Sunset found her squatting in the grass etc etc

>>9920236
kings dark tidings or spellsinger
former being more serious latter has instances of lelsorandumXD but its not intolerable

>>9919727
>I believe in later books there are some examples where sorcerers of rank go armored, though.
Pretty much all Nonmen magi wear armor.

Any scifi/fantasy with romance between a human and obviously nonhuman thing? I mean more than just pointy ears or a weird skin color. Bonus if it's a major plot point with lots of drama and GRI.

>>9919932
>What's the consensus on Bakker's latest book?
Bretty good but this >>9919976

>What was the point of Mimara?
We don't know yet. We'll find out in the next series. She's a pretty cool character in and of herself though. 9/10 would waifu.

>>9920329
Tali is all about the accent and you know it.

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How is this.

>>9920418
Fairly basic, but still an okay read.

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I did it /sffg/, nearly a year after starting, despite trails and pain, I finally finished the first act of my book

The final scene is a cross between Polnareff vs Vanilla Ice and [S] Jade: Enter

>>9919845
most people here don't even read.
you expect them to use goodreads?

What did you guys think of the new GoT episode?

>>9920557
Good but it seems like it's the season finale when they still have one more episode

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>>9919845

>>9920386
Perdido Street Station, the human main character is plowing an insectoid babe.

>>9919811
What makes them furry?
It is people who dress up like animals or anthropomorphized animals?

Cuz if it is the latter there are endless examples in mainstream sci-fi.

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>Titanides come in two sexes, male and female. Both sexes have a rear vagina and uterus, and a large penis in the position where a horse's penis would be. Both sexes also possess humanoid breasts and can thus give birth to and suckle young.

>Male Titanides have a frontal penis analogous to a human penis, and female Titanides have a frontal vagina. While sexual intercourse using the horse organs is indulged in casually between individuals of all sexes, so-called frontal intercourse is reserved for intimate relationships. The product of frontal intercourse is always a small, spherical egg a few centimetres in diameter. These eggs are often kept as keepsakes or mementos of special occasions. They are sterile unless first treated with the Wizard's saliva.

>An egg which has been made fertile can be implanted in a rear vagina and "quickened" by rear intercourse. After that, the egg will develop into a young Titanide.

>All Titanides can have eggs implanted. The Titanide who receives the egg is called the "hindmother". The Titanide who quickens the egg is called the "hindfather". The Titanides whose original act of intercourse produced the egg are the "foremother" and "forefather".

>There is special case: a female Titanide may use semen from her ventral penis to produce an egg, transferring it by hand. If the egg is made fertile, she may then implant it in herself and quicken it with the same source of semen. The resulting offspring is a clone of the mother. Semen from the ventral penis can only produce an egg in the same individual who produces the semen. This is the so-called "Aeolian Solo" method of reproduction.

is there any scifi stuff that is similar to the scp foundation? ive been binge-reading the scp wiki and while i admit its very hit or miss from entry to entry some are fucking fantastic scenarios for books. maybe there are books about organizations like the scp foundation.

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>>9920708

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Why is it so hard to find books by Jack Chalker? He sold great in his time but I've never seen him in any store.

I just want fun adventures with transformation. Are there any substitutes?

>>9920236
The Dying Earth

>>9920236
Robin Hobb's Assassin triology

Just finished Cugels Saga, man I wish there was more.

What was your favorite part of his adventure? Your favorite parts?

>>9920830
The Rhialto stories get some hate but I liked them.

I don't know if it's my favorite but the part early in Overworld where he just fucking abandons Coreme to become a swamp rape slave definitely made me realize what kind of ride I was in for. Apparently that's a common reaction because several of the entries in Songs of the Dying Earth basically amounted to "don't worry, she got away eventually *_* "

QUICK I NEED A FANTASY BOOK THAT IS ULTRA VIOLENT BUT NOT FUCKING GAY LIKE THE PRINCE OF THORNS!

>>9920830
Michael Shea wrote an authorized sequel to Eyes of the Overworld called A Quest for Simbilis. I thought it was pretty good, actually. But this was before Vance wrote The Skybreak Spatterlight (Cugel's Saga), so IIRC, they contradict each other somewhat.

>>9920830
I'm gonna assume this was directed at me.
I only just started reading the first book but I'm in love already, it has pretty much everything I look for in sci fi or fantasy.

>>9920557
>>>/tv/

>>9920830
The sea journey. I find the life and mind of a worminger to be fascinating and inspiring.

>>9920917
matthew woodring stover's caine books

>>9920557
Was thinking of reading got books after watching, is it worth it?

I finished reading the final empire by Brandon Sanderson and I need to know what to feel about it, help me out /lit/

>>9921165
Books have better characterization but the Fat Fuck will never finish his series.

>>9921278
>I need to know what to feel about i
You should feel horrible, your post is the worst post I've ever seen in this thread.

>>9920496
post an excerpt or your lying

>>9921278
Mormon literature is pretty bland.

I've hit a rutt in an escape scene. Neither of my characters are ruthless killers and I can't imagine just detailing how the ran from one location to another is going to be fun to write or read. I've opted with dialogue and a secret escape route, but that doesn't feel so great either.

Making the protag take a bullet so I can time-skip feels like another option, but again that doesn't feel like it would be fun to read or write.

So my question is, really, how much action do you guys expect to have your hands on when you read a sci-fi novel?

Brian Aldiss dies aged 92 http://www.thebookseller.com/news/brian-aldiss-dies-aged-92-614886

>>9921472
>fun to read or write
was it fun to write that twice? it was fun to read it twice

>>9921472
>no badass action chase scene
What are you doing man? Escape scenes are some of the best moments in stories! Don't waste it!

>>9920684
How insectoid are we talking?

>>9920917
Prince of Nothing featuring Cnaiur urs Skiötha the most violent of all men. he's bi

>>9921278
You enjoyed yourself and nothing anyone else says will change that.
>>9921290
>being this new

>>9921582
>You enjoyed yourself and nothing anyone else says will change that.
I see you're new to 4chan.

>>9920085
Marc?

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>>9920708
Huh, I picked that up recently because the cover was so pretty. Sounds like I'm in for a treat :3

>>9921584
If 4chan makes you feel bad about stuff you like then it isn't a healthy place for you to be.

>>9920830
My favourite part is probably when he joins the huge group of pilgrims and slowly whittles the group down to nothing through his scheming and throwing them into the way of danger for his own purposes.

>>9921487
>92
can't complain

>>9920027
Bretty gud.

>>9920917
Howard's original Conan stories.

>>9920830
Cugel being sold a bill of goods by a town, and being stranded in a shabby guard tower

>>9920862
I think this is the Clark Ashton Smith influence, not the writing so much as the idea that on a dying planet, the human reaction is to live selfishly and without remorse in the pursuit of pleasure, money, sex, food.

>>9920830
When he became a worm ship wrangled dude.

Or when iucano the laughing magician sent him on his second book.

>>9921630
I don't know about Smith but Tolkien, Lovecraft and Howard were positively obsessed with decadence and corruption and ruin.

Brian Aldiss died ;_;

>>9921487
He fought in Burma and then wrote science fiction. Spielberg's AI was based on one of his short stories. I read two novels by him, Hot House and Nonstop, which are full of descriptions of hot places and vegetation. He is at least up there with Arthur C Clarke, but Aldiss' novels are more fun with their rebellious protags and strange societies. He's an interesting bridge between the golden age and New Wave traditions; adventurous travelogues with Carl Jung references and anthropological/political analogies. He has an eye for a Jack Vancian weird monster or plant as well.

what is some space sci-fi that deals with depression and loneliness?
i dreamt last night that i was floating in space, completely lonely, and i knew i was way too far from any human soul; something resembling this feeling would be nice

>>9921706
Don't really know
>Solaris
???

>>9919238
King's Dark Tidings
But I think it's supposed to be ridiculous.

>>9921706
Dune Messiah
The Road
The Drowned World
Solaris

>>9919238
Conan goes against ancient wizard lords and somehow always escapes. Time after time there's some seminaked chick that slips him a key or a dagger or some shit while he's in a dungeon with one of Set's giant snakes.

>>9920951
I forgot The Acts of Caine existed, think I've only heard of it outside this general.

Any opinions on it? Don't think I've ever seen it talked about here, might give them a read at some point.

>>9919238
Sword of Truth series.

"Ur a warmage you can do whatever the fuck you want, screw the rules"

Have you ever whacked it to sff?

>>9919397
It's also kind of bad. Yeah it has some cool living in space concepts but it's such an awful read. The prose is robotic and the neologisms are insufferable. Moreover the characters are utterly unlikable and unrelatable. We're supposed to be rooting for a bunch of degenerates in polyamorous incestuous relationships in which girls get pregnant by their grandpa at the age of fourteen. Why would I want those people to succeed?

Was very disappointed by the book.

>>9913628
WHEN'S HE COMING OUT WITH THE NEXT BOOK?? I WANT TO KNOW IF SIRI IS ALIVE AND IF HUMANITY IS FUCKED!

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>>9921472
>I've hit a rutt in an escape scene. Neither of my characters are ruthless killers and I can't imagine just detailing how the ran from one location to another is going to be fun to write or read
Have them run through some old forest and fall down some chute / silo / vent hole in the ground.
They get knocked out for 5 days, one wakes up, the other stays out cold for another 4 and they are weak and dehydrated as fuck. The person pursuing assumed they went on. Now they have to get out the hole and find potable water and nutrients. (No magic sword / wise hermit / noble wolf bringing food for them please. They have to work to get out. Maybe someone dislocated / twisted a limb in the fall. That more time for healing).

>>9921600
Ahahaha yeah that is pretty great.

Jesus Christ fucking Snow Crash was garbage. God damned, I know it's supposed to be parodic but it got on my fucking nerves. Never mind the prose which is positively shit.

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So which fantasy series is the most compareable to "A song of ice and fire"?

Joe Abercrombie sucks dog dick.

>>9921746
>Any opinions on it?
I'm the guy you quoted and all I have is rave reviews, one of my faves

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>>9921802
We should purge GoT fans. As in, drag them out of their homes and put them to the sword.

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Why did Portia, through controlling Bruks, have to kill Valerie?

I'll never forgive Watts for doing that to my vampire waifu.

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>>9920708

Gross desu

I'm looking for a board to post my writing and get feedback. Should I post here or make my own thread?

>>9921921
Don't post on 4chan you poor fool.

>>9921921
We have a feedback thread on /lit/, so you could try that. Like the other person said, I don't think 4chan is the best place to get feedback, but if you really want to, that's an option.

>>9921921
Depends. There is a writing thread. You could post it there and then post a link to it here if you think it's relevant to us.

>>9921802
>Black Company started in 1984 and STILL isn't finished
Probably that one.

Yo, I just realized that I don't think I've ever read any steampunk novels. Anyone got any recommendations?

>>9921955
We can't recommend steampunk.

>>9919238
Can't believe Kvothe hasn't been mentioned yet, fuck those books so much

>>9921957
Because there is no worthwhile steampunk to be read.

>>9919845
46/50, although there might be a couple I forgot to list down.

>>9921966
Quite.

>>9921961
the cut flower sound of a man waiting to die

>>9921954
The story of the black company had a nice closure.
It's just that Glenn Cook promised to write more BC novels and it will probably never happen.

>>9921973
There was that one about cities eating other cities. Cities on wheels and legs and shit. Dumber than a sack of hammers.

>>9920719
Not science fiction, but House of Leaves has a certain loopy-doopy spooky gimmick that you're probably looking for. Genuinely creepy moments hidden underneath piles of academic review, and the formatting meme is actually a pretty good way to display information, really captures the sense of agoraphobia AND claustrophobia.

>>9921974
How many times did rothfuss jerk off to the idea of Kvothe spending six months with a sex fairy

>>9921961
Kvothe is far from perfect. He's just obnoxious, not a Gary Sue.

>>9921954

This, lel

>>9921802

I think the black company has similarities in scope and was pretty grimdark for it's time, although there is far more humour and less neckbeard cringe. First person narrative from only one perspective (most of the time, at least) is very different from ASoIaF struggling to keep track of dozens of third person perspectives. I like black company more desu

>>9921998
Saying you like something more than asoiaf is like saying you like drinking stuff other than festered piss.

>>9921957
>>9921966
>>9921973
>>9921981
I find it hard to believe that in over a century of sci-fi and fantasy there's not a single good steampunk novel.

>>9922006
>implying asoiaf is THAT bad
Does it hurt being that contrarian?

>>9921977
>It's just that Glenn Cook promised to write more BC novels and it will probably never happen.
I just looked into it and there's apparently a new one coming next year called Port of Shadows. So it's kinda funny, any other year this would have been correct to say but after 18 years there's finally going to be another.

>>9922037
>there's apparently a new one coming next year called Port of Shadows.
It was "next year" since I started looking back in 2008.

>>9922026
Incredibly there isn't. Everything good steampunk is tv/cinema. Possibly comics, but I rarely dwelve into that.

>>9922029
It really isn't that bad and I wouldn't give a flying fuck, but it's everywhere and everyone is hailing it as the second coming of Tolkien. And more. It's just The Tudors with a slightly better budget, worse acting and more tits.

>>9922044
Well this one seems confirmed.
http://deadline.com/2017/04/eliza-dushku-star-the-black-company-series-adaptation-david-goyer-im-global-1202076367/
And a TV series, I guess. So it really is the new ASoIaF, except he at least had the dignity to write more than four books before the TV series started.

Why does Book of the New Sun have a reputation for being difficult? It's good but I'm having no trouble following it so far

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can /sffg/ please recommend me a book that encompasses the feeling of this music, thanks

https://youtu.be/WRQ6thP8D0w

>>9921997
He loses his virginity to a sex fairy who then compliments him on how great he is at sex.

>>9922026
I read "The Guns Above" by Robyn Bennis a while back and thought it was good enough for something that counts as steampunk. Basically it's a Hornblower/Honor Harrington style story where a woman gets her first major command of a airship.

I thought the airships in general were plausible. The description and capabilities sounded about the same size as a WWI Zeppelin, but made out of wood, which had been used during the war for rigid HTA aircraft that weren't used by the German/Royal navies. Propulsion is done by a compact turbine driving propellers. Apparently the zeps only have a service life of around 6 months due to the moisture from the turbine. Overall not outside the realm of possibility.

Other stuff that's good and might technically qualify as steampunk is the City of Stairs/Divine Cities series which takes place a couple centuries after Fantasy India figured out how to use cannons to kill Fantasy Russia's gods. However various remnants of the divine are still cropping up and the main character in the first book is part of a secret police that deals with them.

And the Wolfhound Century series by Peter Higgins, which takes place in a vast, modernizing Fantasy Russia that has entered sort of a Soviet period, the main character is a policeman called to the capital to hunt down a terrorist, but he gets caught up in much more important, much stranger things.

>>9922073
10/10 music video anyway.

>>9922052
Honestly I'd rather a Garret PI series. You could probably get a good 2-3 hours out of each book.

>>9922086
He's a world famous magician in emo mode that can't even conjure a spark anymore. And since we're dealing with an unreliable narrator meme it's quite likely that he's not revealing his mistakes so current day Kote is what his abilities should be judged on.

>>9922091
I know, it's a great video. But I want book recommendations based on the music. Basically, the most epic over the top fantasy there is. (no LoTR)

>>9921995
>>9922086
So, about this sex fairy. Is it like a tiny fairy or is it normal sized? Because if it's normal sized than you can't really call it a fairy.

>>9922140
Hahaha it's person sized. What would you call it?

>>9922152
Dirty forest hippie chick

>>9922140
Normal sized. She's fae or whatever

>>9921752

I've written plenty of sff and horror fapfic, but also when I was like 11 read some old MechWarrior novel where the mc cornered a mech and made the pilot surrender and it was a gril wearing nothing but panties because it's hot in the cockpit.

Having almost no porn experience, that seemed pretty hawt at the time.

>Friend are reading a book
>It doesn't spoonfeed you everything and you have to make use textual clues and figure out shit yourself
>Friend says it's shit because [it doesn't explain anything'

>>9921995
and also with a society of warriors who trained him in their mysterious ways

he really is the quintessential mary sue
"...and then I got into fantasy hogwarts and I was a great student and every girl got wet when I passed by but I wasn't into it lol and then I called the name of the wind and the kooky magician who doesn't take students took me as a student and then I played the perfect song on my lute and everyone cried and I went to these kung fu people who trained me and said I was even better than they are and then I met a sex fairy and sexed her so good she thought I was a gigolo and then I..."

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>>9922052
>Eliza Dushku

REEEEEEEEE this fucking bugeyed Jewish whore cannot be the Lady fuck you she's literally twice as old as the lady and looks like an old boot on stilts fuck REEEEEEE EEEEEEEE

>>9922274
kek

>>9922256
You're really reading into it, none of it happened that way. Infact, everything you say went his way was actually the opposite!
>I got into fantasy hogwarts and everyone hated me, I got banned from the only reason I went there, got whipped several times, almost excetuted, and then expelled
>I got caught by a lust demon who almost raped me to death and ate my soul but managed to bargain for my life only to be cursed to eternal inescapable damnation
>then I went to learn kungfu, and it turns out the penalty for learning kungfu is getting your fingers chopped off so I spent several months under house arrest being beaten black and blue daily by weird crazy chicks until I managed to get out of it. Btw, the first time I fight some random bandits I got stabbed in the stomach and almost died, and then later two assholes overpower and beat me half to detah so it turns out I never learned jack shit

>>9920830
Eating Totality and being sent back in time to fuck some orange chick was pretty fun. Also I thought him getting his final revenge against Ionucu was pretty great.

>>9920862
Where do they get hate? I thought they were pretty good, though Fader's Waft dragged on a bit

>>9922324
I liked the part where he was buggered.

>>9922256

Also he's a proud beta orbiter

>>9922374
the part where he's all "why yes good sir, you may have entered her body and cum onto her face and eaten her ass but I have seen into the deepest depths of her soul, smelled the fragrant air she leaves behind her, felt the smouldering glances of true love that she has bestowed upon me. what we have is beyond such paltry experiences she has shared with you." is one of the greatest cringes I've had while reading a book.

>>9919593
Malazan

This guy loves making random dudes black.

>>9921824
>>9921824
You would be outnumbered dumbie.

>>9919593
Iain Banks seems to be quite averse to describing more than the most basic details. I still have no idea what Sma actually looks like.

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>>9921630
Since I mentioned this story I thought I'd have another look through it, and I caught some nifty and subtle foreshadowing by Jack Vance.

In chapter 3 of The Eyes Of The Overworld, having escaped Cil in the previous chapter, Derwe and Cugel forage for something to eat, and have a breakfast of black gallberries and rampion. I wasn't sure what rampion was, so I googled it out of curiosity. It's a wild herb with a fleshy white root that can be eaten. The plant is significantly featured in the Brothers' Grimm story of Rapunzel. Later in the chapter, Cugel is stranded in a guard tower where he repeatedly calls for help.[/spoiler}

I'm tempted to closely reread the rest of the book now to catch anything else that flew over my head the first time around.

What is a LitRPG? is this the western version of that dumb isekai/light novel shit?

>>9922240
Hopefully your friend have other qualities.

>>9922474
If anything it's worse, since it's mainly about people just playing MMOs, and narrating "you hit the wolf for 15 damage" and "you mine the ore" grinding for hundreds of pages. Imagine Sword Art Online but more pathetic and most of the authors are slavery-obsessed Russians for some reason.

Isekai on the other hand tends to involve the protaganist being killed and then reincarnated in a fantasy world, which has a varying level of RPG elements to it. (Or sometimes there's no reincarnation and it's just a fantasy world where everybody is aware of the fact that they have RPG stats, like Danmachi.)

>>9922086
I thought he lost his virginity by being a rape victim?

>>9922605
i wish

>>9922416
he likes having people from a desert continent be black

>>9922519
>>9922474
This sounds like a shitposter trying to push some meme opinion that will never catch on, like the guy that describes all modern fantasy novels as "D&D campaigns."

>>9922741
Nothing wrong with that, I am black myself.

Just, the medium of reading, if there isn't a straight up description I just think everyone is a grizzled white dude.

>>9922819
>like the guy that describes all modern fantasy novels as "D&D campaigns."
Well he got shot down with so much irrefutable proof that "tolkeinesque" is no longer a thing. So he has to try and justify his reasons for reading only dusty old tomes.

>>9921857
Ice out the competition.

>>9922837
Heh, as if irrefutable proof ever stops someone from repeating unsubstantiated nonsense again and again on 4chan.

>>9922026
>over a century of sci-fi
Steampunk didn't really exist before The Difference Engine in 1990. Which really wasn't that great but at least had an interesting concept. Since then it's pretty much just been a way for retards with poorly-understood attractions to Victoriana to "worldbuild".

>>9922819
Nah that's literally what what litRPG is. It's reddit posters narrating their dream MMOs and also planning to get back at those bitches in high school who weren't interested in their level 64 Orc Paladin in Warcraft.

>>9922837

Not that guy but it's hard to find more than a handful of 21st century novel that aren't memes at best and literally feces-soaked toilet paper between to sheets of cardboard at worst. People in here actually think NK Jizzimeme doesn't fit into the latter category for example.

>>9922060
The short answer is that BotNS contains multiple layers of meaning, and Severian's narration is subtly limited in ways to which most readers are unaccustomed.

>>9922519

Both sound unbearably autistic desu

>>9922945
>the random mention of reddit for no reason
You really are the "D&D campaigns" guy trying to trick people with a new memephrase.

>No 3 hour long videos of some fuck talking about fantasy books

>>9922968
No, seriously:
https://www.reddit.com/r/litrpg/

https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/28/11801040/have-you-heard-about-litrpg
>I haven't finished AlterWorld yet, so I can't speak to how genre defining it is, but it does have the most important part:

>You've been hit by Messenger Gnoll! Damage sustained: 16 points. Life 44/60

>You've been hit by Messenger Gnoll! Damage sustained: 12 points. Life 32/60

>If I can extrapolate the whole LitRPG scene from Survival Quest, I'll say this: it's the most perfect depiction I've ever seen of what I truly want from an MMO, and what I'll never have. The fiction here isn't the grand fantasy environment and plot, it's the idea of a game where I'm always leveling faster than I thought I could, meeting challenges I think I can't beat and then beating them, finding hidden quests and talking to never-before-seen NPCs. Survival Quest is a fantasy about having a hyper-immersive MMO, with a multi-billion dollar budget, played by millions of people all around the globe, being all about me.

>I've given up on childish fantasies of finding the One True Sword, or destroying the Ring of Power — those are myths. But video games are real. I've turned dollars into in-game gold, I've read the wikis, I've spent hundreds of hours grinding, I've abandoned work and family responsibilities, and I've ultimately quit in frustration. All because I want to be the hero of a virtual world. It's not going to happen for me. But that's exactly what happens to the protagonist in every chapter of LitRPG.

>An MMO can't ever meet our power fantasies, because we all want to be god. And, if you subscribe to Kant's categorical imperative, you'll know that will never work out: if everyone's The Hero of Azeroth, no one is.

>This past weekend I reactivated my World of Warcraft account and rolled a new character. It's not a shaman. I'm having a good time.

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>>9923089
>I've given up on childish fantasies of finding the One True Sword, or destroying the Ring of Power — those are myths. But video games are real.

>>9923089

Jesus

>>9922834
This is why I don't imagine anything about a character's appearance at all until descriptions are given. They're completely abstract in my mind until shown otherwise. I find I can't think of a character as the same person if the description contradicts what I had already imagined, but I can if I hadn't imagined anything in the first place.

has anyone ever managed to combine elements of sci-fi and fantasy into one story/ setting? Like something tonally similar to Asimov, or Ghost in the Shell but in a medieval fantasy setting? is such a thing even possible within the realm of books?

>>9923221
Yeah, that's literally what Book of the New Sun is. You can't tell me you've never heard of science fantasy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fantasy

>gay pedophile rape on page 2 of book 1

Oh, Bakker. Truly, the eternal leaf.

>>9921998
The first three books of The Black Company are comfier than the ones after that. It's a shame that the band of brothers feeling is lost after the third book. The fourth book remains among my favourites, but I think it's definitely the tipping point.

Question to all you anons. I've gotten into Book of the New Sun lately and am trying to follow along, at times I can't tell if I'm pulling shit out of my ass trying to read deeper into it.

Anyways, are the guns ever used? Should I imagine them as flintlock and canons or more like a modern day gun? I keep thinking to the guns on the tower for example.

>>9923156
I don't like that idea. Not envisioning the scene in your mind kind of ruins the reading experience. Then again, I don't have the same problem as you and can change a character's appearance in my mind without changing the character. Although, sometimes I don't bother. If the author doesn't put much effort into describing their character, their appearance is generally not going to be relevant to the story and you can imagine them however you want without issue.

>>9923241
i'd heard of Book the the New Sun, but not the term science fantasy before.

>>9923089
sounds like literal autism

>>9923241
It's 70-80% fantasy and 30-20% science

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>>9923221
Plenty of times. Bakker's GRI is one of the most recent examples.

>Pictured: Genetically modified alien soldier wielding a particle beam fighting an elf sorcerer

>>9921857
Because Valerie injected Bruks with her altered version of Portia, with the original Portia Bruks carried then lashing out in responsebas it was slowly orrided by the new altered version

>>9923249
>tfw cannot raise walls against what has been forgotten

>>9923304
Want a more even mix then read Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny.

>>9921763
Siri died almost immediately upon contact with Rorsach

The entirety of Blindsight is alien propaganda to lull us into a false sense of security

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Same guy from last thread.

I'm 200 pages in, and I just can't stop reading it.

The bare-bones description. The gratuitous world building. The retarded wish fulfillment plot.The action hero quips that supplant actual dialogue.

But I can't stop.

I'm seething.

>>9921397
not going to bite. I know I can't handle criticism so I'm going to keep my excerpts to myself until I need an editor

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>>9920496
>the first similarities he can think of are Jojo and Homestuck
It's going to be shit, and you are shit.

>>9923543
it was a fucking pile of shit and I kept shoveling it in my mouth til the very end

>>9923543
>>9923800
Why did you guys even start reading this? Even without any knowledge about it, everything on that cover is a red flag.

Is there any good surrealist science fiction?

>>9923872
A Voyage to Arcturus

does anyone know what happened to this blog? is the author writing somewhere else?

https://ronanwills.wordpress.com

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>>9923089
>>9923289
>>9923127

It's a sign of the times. I read the article. The writer claims to enjoy reading but admittedly doesn't actually read books, only audiobooks, and deliberately bad ones at that; and then he tries to convince us that an obviously degenerate and unedifying form of literature is worthy on an 'ironic' level. Ultimately he is encouraging us to eat shit and like it. Of course he is a Manhattanite.

>>9918850
"The Mote in God's Eye" if you like Niven's ideas but don't like his writing style/characters

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I'm about to start the Golem and the Meme. Can the shill please tell me if the Djinn gets to bake him some Golem pussy?

>>9923999
Have a (you) for your effort. I don't know shit about this book though.

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Picked this up on a whim. Started out as typical wish fulfillment fantasy, but the writing was good so i kept reading. Things start to get weird. becomes less of a fantasy story, more dark revenge. main character goes through a slow burn spiral to insanity. Ending left me gut punched. Couldn't believe it was the same book as the beginning.

>Islington book still not leaked
Fuck

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Just read Elric of Melnibone. Shit blew me away.

Looking forward to reading the next one or two this coming weekend.

>>9923918
Are audiobooks bad?

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>>9924285
>when will they learn

>>9924373

Literally all of those are better than any GRI memebooks

So what in /sffg/'s opinion are the essential elements of a good science fiction or fantasy story?

What are your red flags?

What are your essentials?

>>9924708
>red flags
Idiot characters. Get out jail free cards. Parodic writing that takds itself too seriously. Obvious as fuck and shoehorned political message. No humor at all. World that doesn't work even on surface level. Teen shit. Every woman is a sexxy goddess. Everyone loves x character.

>essentials
There are none. Execution > idea. Always. The Road could be a fairly mundane plotless aimless piece of shit and it isn't.

>>9924789
Those aren't red flags, those are bad content. If you're reading those things then you've missed the flags. Do you see?

>>9924708
Grimdark is garbage usually because it seems so forced. Ironically, in trying to be so mature it ends up being childish. Asoiaf is the prime example of this: everyone is an edgy smarmy asshole. It's puerile, borderline insulting.

>>9924708
A massive red flag is a Hugo nomination.
Don't get any awards in general.

>>9924791
Right. Didn't pay attention. Teen protagonists. Wizard schools. Damsels in need of rescue. Chosen One main characters. Dragons. Reading this I realize how many of these boxes HP ticks.

>>9924801
Jej what a retarded hipster.

Is the Wheel of time shit ?

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>>9924804
>Teen protagonists. Wizard schools. Damsels in need of rescue. Chosen One main characters. Dragons.

>>9924816
Is that Ian McNiece auditioning for Tom Bombadil or cosplaying as Robbie Coltrane?

>>9924818
I think it's a badger glued to the corpse of Richard Griffiths.

>>9924822
It sort of looks like Billy Connolly wearing a mop as a hairpiece.

>>9924824
Santa's retarded nephew, the one his parents make stay in his room when they have company over.

>>9924816
It's Brian Blessed's unlucky cousin, Carl Cursed.

>>9924831
Someone threw spoiled meat onto the offcuts from the pubic barber.

>>9924708
>What are your red flags?
any blurb that mentions the "fae"

>>9924827
Looks like Oliver Reed crossed with Fritzl and a really fluffy sheepherder.

>>9924844
The wrong end of a goat.

>>9924847
Brendan Gleeson after a rough night in a wool factory.

>>9924852
Chris Farley post vagina-mouth transplant.

>>9924816
It's a scarecrow with the straw starting to fall out.

>>9924857
Father Ted 1 year after becoming bishop of Labrador.

>>9924867
Jabba the Hutt headfucked a sheep.

>>9924873
A bear trying to pose as Boris Johnson.

>>9924816
Dylan Moran ate a wooly mammoth and then fucked its wife.

>>9924884
The michelin man's unconvincing human disguise

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I tried to start my own fantasy thing but suspect it's trash and I'd rather be told before I waste more time.

If anyone could cast their eyes on it briefly I'd be much obliged

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KPzDXPqyfCAIHMiAANEYodDtRabJxQw44rxKmXR_PxI/edit?usp=drivesdk

>>9923310
>supposed to be alien
>looks and acts no different than a typical evil demon
Yawn.

https://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=1295&p=4765590#p4765590
An Echo of Things to Come is finally out

>>9924999
>An Echo of Things to Come
how was the first book?

>>9925004
Inaudible

>>9925004
My favourite new Brandon Sanderson-esque author. The plot is fun.

Is the wheel of time worth reading ?

>>9925013
*smooths skirts*
No. But you will read it anyways, and come back here to cry about it.

>>9925015
no seriously is it just garbage ?

>>9925016
just read it you woolhead

feel free to skip any female POV chapters except nynaeve and moiraine

>>9925031
ok thanks

>>9923221
Edgar Rice Burroughs did it in in the fucking 1910s with John Carter.

>>9925013
I read all of the Jordan books and skimmed Sanderson's just to see how it ends and I have to say I dunno
I spent most of that time wanting to suffocate like 90% of the POV characters with my bare hands and rolling my eyes but it wasn't THAT bad I guess

>>9925016
My opinion doesn't matter. We told a lot of people "not" to read something. But they feel that they know better, or they would make us made if they did the opposite. Then a few weeks later they come back here crying that they should have listened, and that they invested too much time to stop now.

I swear if I see you come back here crying that you should have listened. I will rightfully take it as spam and alert the mods. call me snitch-san

>>9924815
I like it, it's comfy. Has some cool ideas, can get tiring at times. Needed a better editor but if it's your thing you won't mind. Sanderson's books were kinda shitty but at that point you can't really stop without getting closure, and the parts that were already written by Jordan made it worth it. Plenty of memorable scenes. Good if you want to get lost in a world, take your time and have something comfy in between of more challening books, but if you're looking for something faster-paced, more tightly written fantasy, more focused etc you should avoid it. I don't regret reading them, on the contrary I enjoyed them, but I understand that they're not for everyone.

The first third of the first book feels like a Tolkien clone, comes on its own later. The run until the end of book 6 is pretty good, after that the various storylines stop reaching their climax by the end of each following book, having some of them drag on. It shouldn't be a problem considering that, if you make it this far, you won't have to wait for the next book since the series is finished now; it probably was frustrating to read as they were ongoing, though.

>>9925044
on the subject of more focused fantasy novels what novel would you suggest with the same amount of world building as the WoT but with less amount of pages ?

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This shit made me so fucking mad i actually dropped it like 250 pages in. Fuck this Liat character and whoever thought about writing a stupid fucking whore like this in a fairly decent fantasy novel.

>Fucks some worker dude 3 years older than her.
>Talks shit about his low status in society.
>As soon as she learns that he can be the next king or someshit cums to her panties.
>The first dude goes to deliver a letter for a month.
>Instantly goes and fucks the only friend of the guy in the world.
>First guy comes back forces him to fuck her again so she doesn't feel bad about cucking the guy with his best friend.
>First guy finds out and leaves the whore.
>Second guy comes to her ashamed she doesn''t even give a fuck and says she loved the second guy all along.

At this point i was so fucking mad i just looked through the wiki to find out if this bitch died a horrible death. Turns out she lives and even comes back to the series later on. Dropped it right fucking there.

I was actually enjoying the book and thinking about reading the whole series but after this there is no fucking way.

Fuck this faggot ass shit.

>>9925096
Sounds realistic.

>>9925106
That's the problem man. I thought i was reading a fantasy novel and not the adventures of modern "womyn". Now that i think about the the whole book feels like a shitty woman's power fantasy.

>Whores get abortions all the time not giving a fuck.
>One forced abortion of a random whore and the whole universe loses their fucking mind.
>All the women in the book get together to punish the guy who made it happen.

I wouldn't be suprised if this Abbraham guy wasn't a secret tranny.

>>9925122
You desperately need to get laid.

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>>9925096
>author
He looks like a cuck too.

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>>9925149
>Can't refute anything i say.
>"Oh wait i better call him a virgin that will show him xd"

Fuck off roastie.

opinions on Peter F. Hamilton's fiction ?

>>9925161
Have you genuinely ever talked to a woman? You sound like an incel.

>>9925161
>xd
Nice leddit leddit

>>9925162
Pretty good.

I find his endings seem to happen all at once after a long drawn out story with multiple plot threads often never even meeting - not that they need to. This is in comparison to, say, Alastair Reynolds where all the POV do come together.

So basically if you can't handle multiple POV, don't bother, but if you can, they're great, and each universe has very distinct technologies.

>>9924804
>Wizard schools.
But the Magicians trilogy was good.

>>9925078
I'm not sure if I can give you a good answer... I would say Dune (not fantasy but science fantasy), or Ursula K Le Guin's books maybe? Jemisin's first trilogy takes place in a city that's developed organically, I assume that there's good worldbuilding in her newest trilogy but I haven't read the Fifth Season yet. Abercrombie's trilogy isn't too focused but it's entertaining, and the first book is a set-up for the rest of the story, but part of the world and the characters are established nicely. Bakker's trilogy has good worldbuilding too (I haven't read past the thousandfold thought yet), and of course Tolkien if you haven't read him already. I haven't read too much fantasy to be of more help, so maybe someone could come up with better/more suggestions.

The problem is that a lot of the cultures and people in WoT are described during slice of life chapters of the storylines, like when some characters reach Ebu Dar. A lot of places aren't that relevant in the grand scheme of things, but because of Jordan taking things slow, having a lot of travelling, a lot of waiting in different cities etc etc, you get to know more details which you wouldn't normally read about in a more focused series. So it's a bit hard to recommend similar stuff. There are also some great sequences like in the 4th book when they reach Rhuidean, with world-building that's very important to the plot. All of these little details add to the world, but some of them aren't really important to the actual story, and in more focused series they would be trimmed or not included at all, so you get less detailed info about the world.

>>9925190
where would i start with him ?

>>9925096
>GRRM's praise cited on the cover
That's a red flag right there.

>>9925096
>a character does something I don't like and isn't punished by the author for it so I hate the book
Holy shit, grow up.

Can you recommend some character-focused fantasy that's kind of, introspective sword-and-sorcery but with world-shattering consequences?

Think Elric Saga, or to a much lesser extent, Lev Grossman's Magicians trilogy.

Has anyone read the Helliconia trilogy by Brian Aldiss?

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is this the best modern scifi series?

>>9925242
I guess it might seem interesting and original if you've never been interested in the fermi paradox in your own capacity.

>>9925215
Thomas Covenant

>>9925261
FUCK that shit

>>9925261
So, >>9925215 here and from a skim of the Wikipedia page, looks good.

>>9925275
What's wrong with it?

>>9925122
Feminism sucks, kind of regret ordering that book now.

>>9925281
>What's wrong with it?
The introspective main character is pretty unlikeable.

>>9921487
No sticky?

And I thought this was a literary board...

>>9925149
t. Mad Female

>>9925242
The ending of The Dark Forest felt satisfying enough for me that i'm not that interested now in reading Death's End.

>>9925290
Understatement of the century

>>9923315
jesus christ Watts needs to write things more clearly, this is absolutely not the impression I got from the ending
he had two versions in him? when the fuck did that happen?

>>9925290
>>9925306
Is he sympathetic? I really care about that more than them being likeable.

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Are generational ships too cliché at this point? I was thinking about writing a short story about one but I'm worried it's been done to death already.

A while back I watched a video series where Sanderson talks about plotting and so on, and he mentioned Elric as a very good fantasy series.

I'm really surprised he liked it, given not only his religion, but also his tendency to write "squeaky clean" fantasy and his preference for what he calls "hard fantasy" in terms of how magic works.

That said, I have a bit more respect for the guy now, knowing he reads and can appreciate things that far from what he does, even if I don't personally enjoy his style of fantasy.

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>>9925149
>>9925166
Why would a woman come to this general?Did you even read any of the books we talk about?

>>9925324
see
>>9925209

>>9925096
Just ordered in hardback and told my friends who enjoy fantasy that I'd heard it was really good and encouraged them to snag a copy. Will be leaving a review (probably positive) on Amazon after I read it.

I'm not kidding.

>>9925303
Go back to tumblr.

>>9925348
no u

>>9925096
My thoughts exactly. Never gonna pick this shit up again.

>>9925415
see
>>9925209

>>9925324
>Why would a woman come to this general?
I'm only here because my right tit is sentient and likes WoT.

>>9925427
>see
No

>>9925434
>woman having shit taste
meme confirmed

>>9925434
>my right tit is sentient and likes WoT
Who's her favorite?

>>9925449
No, you misunderstand. My tit like WoT. I don't. That's why we don't get along.

>>9925450
I don't know. I've read a couple reviews, to try and build a rapport, but I grew out of tedious fantasy series when I was in my teens still.

>>9925149
Is that a proposition?

>>9925324
>REEEE WYMYN REEEEE

Jesus Christ dude get a grip.

>>9923591
wanna pm that shit?
i promise not to be a cunt about it, scouts honor.

>>9925496
sent ;)

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>>9925487
>Guy makes reasonable post about women acting too much like assholes in his escapist book
>Woman gets triggered to the max
>"Yucky gross virgin loser!"
>An anon asks if she even reads sffg stuff
>You tell this anon to get a grip

>>9925427
I'm like 50% sure you're false flagging as an SJW and being irritating on purpose.

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One of the only bookstores in my town only carries very used paperback trash. They didn't have any PKD so I looked up "authors like Philip K. Dick" and found this. Cordwainer Smith is pretty cozy so far.

>>9925316
I think he is. There's an anon here that is eternally buttblasted about a certain incident at the beginning. The protag does something horrible. The consequences of this action show up in new and horrible ways for all 6 books and drive significant parts of the plot. Our friend in this thread just cannot get past the plot defining incident. That and he thinks the MC is a whiner (repetition is an oft used stylistic device in the book).
Anyway, it's not a lighthearted series, but I thought it was a good read.

>>9925516
>>Guy makes reasonable post about women acting too much like assholes in his escapist book
Are you talking about that post where he throws a fit because he's triggered by female characters not being perfect human beings? Cause that wasn't reasonable, all it did was put on display his deep seated emotional issues.

>>9925319
Space has been done to death. A forward looking author would be writing sci-fi that occurs entirely in the main character's mother's basement.

Did anything good come out in the last year or so? Or in the last few months?

>>9925551
Got past the "incident"- I just thought that the prose is boring to read. It's mind-numbing. The giants are a dumb concept, and Covenant himself is insufferably indifferent to everything that happens around him. Funnily enough, I only started this series because I picked up the seventh one on a whim and enjoyed it, so I went back. As far as I can tell, 2000 pages of Covenant as a main character isn't worth my effort.

>>9925560
Space stuff is more fantasy than science fiction at this point honestly.

>>9924815
It's not shit. It's decent and the archetype of epic fantasy.

>>9925547
>One of the only bookstores in my town only carries very used paperback trash.
That's where you'll find all the good stuff.

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Anyone one knows some good hardscifi stories about exploring life on another planet? I want a realistic story about the alien biology and stuff.

>>9925566
Age of Swords

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>>9925516
>posting on 4chan bitching about literally whatever
>gets called out
>starts crying about wyyymen on muh boards

>>9925627
Gets called out on what? Muh soggy knee?

>>9925648
Ok, I'll fix it.

>gets a (you) that does not agree
>on 4chan

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>>9925648
No, being a whiny little bitch who gets triggered by the existence of wymyn. And by them presumably posting ITT. Never mind the bitter permavirgin rant before.

>>9925672
You seem much more triggered than he ever was, pal.

>>9925679
>he

>>9925672
>>9925679
>>9925667
stop shitting up the thread with your stupid argument.

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>>9925580
I did not come here for this feel

>>9925684
>she

>>9925610
Bump I want this too

>>9925620
>Age of Swords
>The answer lies across the sea in a faraway land populated by a reclusive and dour race who feels nothing but disdain for both Fhrey and mankind. With time running out, Persephone leads the gifted young seer Suri, the Fhrey sorceress Arion, and a small band of misfits in a desperate search for aid—a quest that will take them into the darkest depths of Elan. There, an ancient adversary waits—an enemy as surprising as it is deadly.

lol

>>9925242
yes masterful.

>>9913628
Is it "Img Oat" or "I'm Goat"?

Fresh from the depths of purgatory
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>>9925939

>>9924795
>Grimdark is garbage usually because it seems so forced. Ironically, in trying to be so mature it ends up being childish. Asoiaf is the prime example of this: everyone is an edgy smarmy asshole. It's puerile, borderline insulting.

t. showfag

>>9924815
Yes. It's meandering, bloated, and childish.

>>9924904
While admittedly the Inchoroi could stand to be more alien (the Nonmen, who are actually related to humans, act a lot more alien than they do) it's kind of part of the point that the Inchoroi are something human beings could conceivably turn into.

>>9925078
>what novel would you suggest with the same amount of world building as the WoT but with less amount of pages ?
Virtually any major fantasy release.

>>9926018
Don't try and pretend that's not true of the books. There's constant rape, description of how dirty everyone is, profanity for the hell of it, people dying just to be "surprising"... the list goes on.

>>9925246
>if you've never been interested in the fermi paradox in your own capacity.
The fermi paradox is retarded at a conceptual level why should I be interested in it? That's not even what paradox means christ I'm so FUCKING MAD

>>9925434
>I'm only here because my right tit is sentient and likes WoT.
Your right tit has cancer.

>>9926034
There's not that many deaths in the books and the show has way more rape. You just confirmed my meme response as true.