/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

>>9526856
Please don't jabba my wocky.

sci fi kino?

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>Tfw all those sequels coming out in the upcoming months

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>>9526924
Such as?

>>9526856

http://www.listchallenges.com/npr-top-100-science-fiction-and-fantasy-books

Are you allowed to mark "Dune Chronicles" if you just read the first one?

>>9526984
Demon Cycle, That next Riyra universe book Age of something, there's more but I can't remember

>>9526984
The Unholy Consult In July
Second Book of the Licanius trilogy in August
Next Stormlight Book in November
Next Dragon Safari book in august

Just off the top of my head

>>9526996
Lotta memes in there.

>>9526192
Always start with Asimov

I saw in the other thread someone says they purchase rifles to hand out on Patrick Rothfuss' birthday.

Is this because Patrick Rothfuss is against gun ownership?

I was thinking I would try to power through the rest of a wise man's fear but if he's that much of a cuck, like his characters, I just won't do it.

>>9527003

Age of Myth -> Age of Swords

I listened to Age of Myth without having ever heard a Riyra universe book before. It was great.

>>9526882

[spoilers]Ready Player One[/spoilers]

>>9527151
one of the worst books ive ever read

>>9527155

What you're not into

>muh artemis
>muh artemis
>muh artemis

A question about Three Body Problem, i'm only halfway through the first book.

Is the Three Body game single or multiplayer?

When Wang logs into the game does he interact only with NPCs or are the other historical figures trying to figure out the sun's movement real players and the people hydrating/dehydrating NPCs?

>>9527201
they're real people, acting/posing like historical figures. It's explained a little better later

what should i read after the book of the new sun? cant bother with all those hardscifi shit

>>9527384
What are you looking for in a series ?

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>>9527007
> Dragon Safari book in august
What the actual fuck man. You waiting for pic related? Because that is all that showed up for google

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>>9527421

>>9527407
an interesting plot, not being a textbook on science or magic, what i loved about tbotns was that i really wanted to keep going and reading all the time, finished the four books in like 2 weeks (can be considered to be not that quick by some, though taking into account other obligations in life and the fact that english is not my native language it was quite a fast read for me)

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>>9526996
That list was voted in by reddit right?

>>9527426
Oh. It's you. I remember when you first read book one and called it a dragon safari. You actually waiting for this? The WHITE is gonna be all over.
and time travel/ prophecy is done too much for me to care about white's blood.
P.s.Were were also the anon who coined "breeks"?

>>9527471
Didn't even make it past American Gods before closing the tab. God save us.

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I just finished up with the Star Wars books concerning Meme Blueman, are there any other good books in the old or new canon?

I remember dropping Path of Destruction some time ago, I got bored quick on that one.

never really touched sci-fi before, but I've heard a lot about Story of Your Life being really good. Any truth to that?

>>9527489
>reading fan fiction.

>>9527479
I burn through books fast enough to have time as long as they aren't total garbage. Hopefully some of the PoVs work better in this one, I'm giving this book the benefit of the doubt.

And no, breeks is some other anon

>>9527426
>Mark Lawrence comment in the cover

Is it edgy?

>>9527492
I've mostly read sci-fi so I can't really comment on it's standing as good literature or anything. But they're decent stories, with some good concepts. Worth a read definitely, but there's more interesting stuff out there.

>>9526996
Kek I got 19, thanks specialised hard scifi

>>9527538

Anon, Star Wars became fan ficion of itself the moment Return of the Jedi came out.

Im not too concerned to be honest.

>reading treason
>it's perfectly normal for a guy to naturally turn into a tranny with breast and vaginas
Which one of you cunts suggested this?

>>9526996
>No Olaf Stapledon
>No Stanislaw Lem
>No Fritz Leiber

It's curious how formerly well known works can fall out of favour. A popular poll of one hundred SF+F works doesn't even have Robert Howard's Conan or Leiber's Fafhrd and Gray Mouser. These are two key works of the genre. Elsewhere Edgar Rice Burrough's Barsoom, once tremendously popular, only scapes into the list.

>>9527659
>Robert Howard's Conan
It's there. So is your Canticle for meme.

>>9527672
You're right on Conan, #68. I enjoy a whinge about polls as much as anybody. Still, no Starmaker, Solaris, or Lankhmar volume? It's enough to make one spill sherry on one's smoking jacket.

>>9527659
It's tragic, at least forgotten popular work constantly gets rediscovered, there's no hope for tons of great fantasy that'll go permanently forgotten.

>>9527672

you know, calling everything a meme is a meme that is getting old in enough itself

oh boy I cant wait for it to spread to reddit

Anyone read any Julie E Czerneda or Elizabeth Moon?

Curious to know if they're any good.

>>9527571
No. It's a comfy dragon safari with a bit of pirate hunting and a sub par political spy nonsense pov

>>9527700
Lots of jobbers will be forgotten, the Lin Carters of this era. It occurs to me Frederik Pohl's Hugo + Nebula winner Gateway isn't on the list either. Not an obscure book, and one of the better new wave sf texts.

I have a hunch that reader interest in Jack Vance is simmering. Authors come back a few years after they die. It could just be wishful thinking.

>>9527746
I'm worried even authors as popular as Brunner will be forgotten, I don't think I've ever seen pic related ever mentioned on /sffg/.

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>>9527768
>Forgot to upload pic
I'm fucking retarded.

>>9527489
The ones worth reading in Star Wars are
Thrawn Trilogy → Hand of Thrawn Duology → Outbound Flight → Choices of One → Thrawn (2017) → Command Decision → Crisis of Faith

Once you've finished that Asimov's Foundation Series and Ninefox Gambit are two other series that complement it well.

>>9527610
>vaginas
OwO

>>9527610
Thanks for the warning anon.
I swear I have to fully research every friggin recommendation from this place, sort of defeats the point.

>>9527610
>it's perfectly normal for a guy to naturally turn into a tranny
Picked the fuck up.

>>9527703
Totally lazy, I agree.
Anon should have said A Canticle for Memowitz.

>>9527489
I like the X-Wing series. Especially the Allston ones.

>>9527804
>sort of defeats the poin
No anon, that is your half of the recommendation transaction. We attempt to rec you according to your tastes, and you do your due diligence so we don't have to hear the whining if someone missed the mark :3

>>9527811

You mockery wounds me.

A Memeticle for Leibowitz is obviously the superior choice.

>>9527846
This shame I shall never absolve. Humbled, I await your perspicacity.

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>>9527844
There's a big difference between someone missing the mark and someone slipping in a book that sounds good but has secret propaganda or w/e slipped in.
That's why I said fully research, i'm not just talking about looking at the blurb here.

>>9527851

You fool! Dont you realize that we are merely mastrubating each other in complete disregard for the topic at hand? There is no point to perspicaciy.

Quick, think of a book relevant to this particular discussion!

The First Law books are not that edgy for GRI standars and they are not even that bad, anons who think otherwise are total fags.

>>9527875
you always run the risk of getting all the important plot/plot twists spoilered while researching a book though

>>9527892
Which is why I'd rather be able to trust the recommendations I get from around here!

>>9527877
Alas, that it comes to this! Woe betide such indulgence and those in its practice.
If my faggotry abounds then doth yours tenfold! For I hath believed the memes, and will not bestir even a mote of my being in the pursuit of their veracity.
>>9527875
>book that sounds good but has secret propaganda or w/e slipped in.
Good sir, thinkst you not in this CURRENT YEAR OF OUR LORD all trifling poesies be awash in the same?

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>>9527926
I mean c'mon guys, it's 2017!

>>9527571
Lawrence is praising Ryan because he copied the shit out of Blood Song for his latest book

>>9527773
... Vaporware?

>>9527729
Moon's good, Deed of Paks is really good adventure fantasy, the second book drags a bit because it's entirely heroic trials but it's worth it.
I've not read any of the other series in the setting.


Vatta's fun intrigue and space battles, I haven't read the new one but the original series is enjoyable, not as good as say Vorkosigan saga but still fun space opera.

Her muh autism novel is probably the best written work of hers even if it is the least outright fun.

>>9528011
And Ryan copied the fuck out of Powder mage for the Dragon books.

>>9528011
Except he misssed the most important part of blood song, which is that he stuck to a single PoV. Instead you have to deal with one good, one bad, and one mediocre pov just like in the worse books in the blood song trilogy

>>9528028
I'm saying Lawrence is praising Ryan because he copied him

Ryan can't really copy himself
And the POV in the Dragon book isn't as bad because he actually has characters this time.
In Tower Lord it was a massive issue because only the Blood Song MC and maybe the princess had an actual character. Everyone else was just Vaelin but with a tweak.

Someone mentioned Honor Harrington a couple of threads ago and how repetitive it is.

It changes with the 7th and 8th books, fantastic story about her being captured. If you've gotten 5 or so books deep already it's worth reading through.

>>9527134
If you managed to get through Name of the Wind, let alone a part of Wise Man's Fear, you are the cuck anon.

>>9528063
Name's got the writing flaws but the story is fast enough to get past them.

Wise Man's Fear is impossible to get through because nothing fucking happens for a third of the book

>>9528068
>story is fast enough
nothing fucking happens. We're introduced to this faggy olde timey europe tavern where Kvothe calls himself Kote (brings to mind shit) and he acts like a jaded 80 year old despite being 25. Then we go back in time to learn that he was an elitist gypsy faggot before Voldemort and friends murdered his family. Then he went to Wizard school and had a really hard time paying his tuition fees which you wouldn't understand unless you've been desperately poor, and to make things worse Malfoy's prank got him banned from the library.

There. 1000 pages of fast-moving plot.

>>9528063

I can't argue that logic.

>>9528084

lets not forget the girl that he is a legitimate cuckold of.

>>9528028
>>9528040
Is Queen of Fire worth reading? I really didn't enjoy Tower Lord

>>9527875
>but has secret propaganda or w/e slipped in.
Yeah heaven forbid an author write about what they want, obviously if you personally don't agree with it then it must be propaganda. Honestly seeing how easily triggered people are by stuff they don't agree with makes me wonder if I'm even on fucking 4chan right now.

>>9528106
Trigger warning: secret propaganda

>>9528098
Only if you want to join us in rage when it's mentioned. Like how we rage ar adare.
FUCK ADARE

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>>9528106
>heaven forbid an author write about what they want
No one said that an author can't write what they want.

>if you personally dont agree with it then it must be propaganda
You notice themes when you consume enough media, which you clearly do not.

>easily triggered
I just don't want to read a book about a tranny.
If I was easily triggered then I wouldn't have finished half of the books on my shelf because they often contain things I don't like.

Get over yourself faggot.

>>9528119
Is that Neal Gaiman's book?

>>9527147
So the way you are phrasing it makes it sound like it doesnt matter but I'm one of those people who just must read everything in order.

Do I read the complete Riyria Revelations series first or is there some point where it breaks off into the other series?

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>>9528139
Are you afraid that you might secretly be a fag? And that reading about fags might make you want a dicking?
You're already long gone. Once you like anime, you are a sleeper programmed faggot.

>>9528151
>Do I read the complete Riyria Revelations series first
Yes.

>>9528151

I am honestly not sure. I am listening to the Riyria series now. I learned things that would have made reading Age of Myth different. I can't really tell what would be better since I have not finished the Riyria series.

Someone else answer this?

>>9526856
Why is it that The Prince of Nothing has a lower score on Goodreads than most of the books recommended here?

Not saying that the score has any credibility. I'm just curious what drives people away. Don't tell me it's because of graphic shit because Daughter of Blood is said to have that yet it is above The Prince of Nothing

>>9528175
The tableware covers. Didn't even have to read it.

>>9528175
Bakker isn't exactly a good writer of prose

Couple that with all the rape and the reliance on loads of long nonsensical names and you can see why people get put off.

>>9528177
Trannies are mentally ill, and faggots to boot. Doesn't change the fact that anime programmed you.

>>9528167
>give me more (you)s even though I gor my answer
Neck urself

>guy posts a load of attention seeking bollocks
>immediately follows it up with a picture containing both Trump and anime
of course you fucking did

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>>9528200
Where did this shit about anime come from?

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>>9528175
Probably that 1 talent whore

>>9528204
>having a conversation is attention seeking
>t. no friend autist

Where's the image with Trump & anime?

>>9528208
Role-playing as a retard.

>>9528223
Fair enough.

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Any good books with Werewolves/Shapeshifters?

>>9528177
I find it funny you have this stance. When I sneaked into /lgbt/ to see what the fags do there... And apparently pol is lgbt's bf. They all say they want.. some even say that they have pol bfs.
A lot of the trannies there voted in your impeachment.

Anyways. You might like treason. It's short, and yes the protag is a tranny, but he also hates blacks. I don't know how Card gets away with it.

>>9528218
Look >>9528177

What's the sci-fi equivalent of Robert E. Howard or David Gemmell?

>>9528327
Edgar Rice Burroughs

>>9528337
I meant more inline with 'future tech' kinda sci-fi. But I've never read any Burroughs so I have no idea if he wrote any stuff like that. I just really dig the idea of Conan the Barbarian with a blaster instead of a sword.

>>9528354
Shitty pulp? Flashman

>>9528359
>I only read sophisticated sci-fi!
>tips

3001 is finished. I've read the entire space odyssey series, and I have a matching set on my shelf, same height and all, pelts unlocked, conquered, dead.

Things were never dull, but repetition of certian passages, though welcome to jog memory, did get a a bit tedious all in one go. When I had my room all quiet and the TV off while rolling toward endgame, I recognized the flat black shapes of my TV screen and my smartphone...

I suppose I ought to read the sentinel for context. DESU I want to switch back to some sci-fa reading instead...

thoughts on ben bovas work?

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>>9528390

I don't know from Ben Bova except that I actually went about acquiring a cheap print copy of the original short story for The Thing in a dedicated sci-fi bookstore, and it came up in a paperback anthology with his editorship, containing same in a prominent early spot. This is how I became aware of the Bova.

Once I had analyzed the story, I produced pic related.

>>9528327
Jack Vance

>>9527672
Canticle for Leibowitz is a great read, why don't you like it?

>>9528084
The large breasted blonde is arousing however

Read Malazan.

>>9528772
I already did.

>>9528773
Good to hear, who was your favorite character, mine was probably Karsa or Tehol.

>>9528776
Felisin

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>Be creepy looking Bong with freakishly long arms
>Bored one weekend
>Write a 500 page novel before Monday
>Oh hey people like this
>Keep doing it
>Can't figure out Age of Empires

How do human beings get like this, this guy must have been legitimately autistic.

>>9528776
I loved Karsa, but his plot just sort of fell off. I really liked Cotillion too.

>>9527134
That'd only be funny if Rothfuss knew he was doing it.

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>>9528818
Yeah Cotillion was based

>>9528796
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what was his end game?

>>9528840
I felt like Cotillion was the only god who really gave a shit. Hood did to an extent but being a Jaghut he was still so callous in most ways. Cotillion seemed the most human of any ascendant.

>>9528850
Itkovian though.

>>9528860
Itkovian is like the opposite of Cotillion in the sense that Cotillion was a god who was great because of how human he was, but Itkovian was only a man who was great because of his godly nature. He had it in him to accept and redeem everyone and anyone, that's beyond mortal.

tfw no Dûnyain gf

>>9529016
>whale-mother gf

Yea no thanks I'll stick with a 13 talent whore

>>9528175
The books don't exactly have happy endings, or middle parts, or beginnings for that matter. It is hard to find characters to root for who don't get their shit fucked up.

Is Children of Dune worth reading? I enjoyed the fuck out of Dune but Messiah was a slog to get though.

>>9529093
It's alright but you can tell Tolkien died before properly editing it

>>9527492
just tower of babylon and the title story are good. skip the rest.

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>>9528382
i hear the last two books arent as good as the first two. been meaning to read 2010 for a while.

pic related always gets me really hyped to read them cause i want to find out what's going on in the image.

>>9528151
I read the Age of Myth first, then went to Riyria, honestly, I was so glad the reddit feminist WOMANPOWER garbage hadn't infected his first Riyria series, it was so god damned blatant in Age of Myth, thankfully some anon here convinced me to read the series, honestly loved it.
You should read Riyria series first, then if you like the way the author writes, read Age of Myth, you should seriously be warned though, the feminist ideology is not subtle in it, at all, it's shouted at you in almost every chapter

>>9529295
>Decide to finish shopping spree at the book shop and treat myself
>Pick up a classic then turn to the fantasy books
>Everything looks exactly the same, either teen girl seduces supernatural being or inept mage from bumfuck nowhere saves the world: book 15 of 137
Who actually buys all this crap, it's a million times more efficient to just search for shit online

>>9526996
67/100

I should just read them all and then I can claim master of all memes

One of the better lists of fantasy and sci-fi books and authors to read by Gary Gygax: http://www.digital-eel.com/blog/ADnD_reading_list.htm

>>9528844
Lovecraft just wanted to live in Providence, take walking holidays around old New England towns, and maintain his letter writing. Apart from the malnutrition, he lived lived exactly as he wanted.

The more interesting question is what if Lovecraft have lived another thirty years? Born in 1890, he could have lived through the 1960s. He would have maintained letters with the likes of Fritz Leiber and Clarke Ashton Smith, who may have continued writing with HP alive.

>>9529093

Read up to God Emperor of Dune and then Stop. Children is significantly better than Messiah but none of the sequel books are as good as "Dune". Some people say God Emperor is the best but I think it just seems better after having read through the lesser quality follow ups to the original book to get to God Emperor. Don't even bother with the dog shit money grab books written by Frank Herbert's asshole son.

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>>9528320
>your impeachment
??

>tranny that hates blacks
Well now I'm torn.

>>9528324
That doesn't mention anime.

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>forty pages into Star Maker
>a disembodied man flies across the universe and observes different alien worlds
>first person POV
>mfw

It's like the best bits of Lovecraft, Wells, and Huxley.

>>9529378
Yeah if you're super into dino grognard stories and nothing else

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>>9529378
Well, it's Appendix N, fairly well known around here. SFFG could do worse than include it in future posts with the prefix of dino/DnD-core. At least half of the list is arguably essential reading for an appreciation of the fantasy, and just the kind of storytelling that is unfashionable now. There is also an expanded list, Appendix E, pic related.

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What the fuck happened at the end?

>>9529630
>Yeah, If you're super into good fantasy and nothing else
Picked the fuck up.

>>9527469
You should read Urth of the New Sun while BotNS is still fresh in your mind. It's not quite on the same level as BotNS itself but worth a read.

This is very dinosaur, but if you like "stuff happening all the time" then maybe try A.E. van Vogt. The World of Null-A or Slan are as good places to start as any.

>>9527492
Overrated but still good.

>>9527659
I wanted to say some entries on the list are just fucking terrible, but really you have to expect some bias towards the present. And the same thing happens in popular/mainsteam literature. Only specialists and antiquarians read James Fenimore Cooper or William Makepeace Thackeray nowadays.

>>9527746
Jack Vance has a dedicated fanclub that actually promotes and distributes his work (Spatterlight). Nobody cares that much about Poul Anderson.

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>>9529933
Thackeray's still pretty popular because he's funny as fuck

>>9529979
>Thackeray's still pretty popular
People who read a lot of books probably at least know his name, and you can find printed copies of his novels, but if Normie McPleb makes a list of her favorite books they aren't going to be on it.

>>9528318
The Wolf's Hour and The Hunter from the Woods by Robert R. McCammon

>>9529220

2010 the movie is a bit silly. It thus came as a very pleasant surprise that 2010 the BOOK is easily the best book in the series.

2061 is an amusing romp but is possibly the weakest of the bunch. It even suffers from some copy-editing issues. The picture vaguely corresponds to a moment toward the end (especially now that I take a good look at the bottom), but yes-and-no.

3001 is decent but (also) uses certain tropes which are by-now familiar to cultured anons in general.

I couldn't help comparing certain simple story/plot elements with other popular sci-fi movies: Aliens, Independence day, and so on.

TUC soon?

>>9526996
Only got 15 despite having read over 200 sci-fi and fantasy books. I've read way more femae authors than even exist o this list

>>9529701
There's a lot of stuff I've never heard of before. Will have a look into them.
>Jemisin on a recommendation list
Well, maybe I won't after all.

"And in the bedroom, by the bed,
More books were waiting to be read!
Such wonderous, fine, fantastic tales
Of dragons, gypsies, queens, and whales
And treasure isles, and distant shores
Where smugglers rowed with muffled oars,
And pirates wearing purple pants,
And sailing ships and elephants,
And cannibals crouching round the pot,
Stirring away at something hot."

What's the point in reading books you don't like that? If I prefer fantasy to nonfiction, that's okay, no? I want to enjoy the books I read, and I want to get a good story. Is treasure island good?

>>9530251
I've got a theory that feminists don't actually read women authors, that's why they list off contemporary popular authors like Jemisin instead of Walton; who despite also having that annoyingly in-your-face feminism can actually write.

>>9530399
Specify who "Walton" is. Are you talking about someone specific, or the richest family in the world?

>>9530425
Probably Evangeline, because the Dino/I hate women shitposters always go to semi-obscure authors when they're at risk of people finding out they've never read the authors they moan about EVERY FUCKING THREAD

>>9526996
>Sword of Truth
lol

And I fucking wish I hadn't read it

>>9530436
Calm down Reddit.

>>9530399
That's literally nothing new. Just like they don't play video games with the female characters they complain the medium is lacking.
It's really simple honestly. I'm Australian,our Labor party has been campaigning for Gay marriage for decades. Last Election cycle they had the power to push it through uncontested, nobody could have stopped them. They didn't. Why? Because if it passed they wouldn't be able to use it in their campaign platform.

Same shit on a different scale. Solving a problem (real or perceived) doesn't garner validation therefore they don't want to solve problems.

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>>9528967
>no one said kruppe
>no one said pust
you guys are all fags

>>9526996
http://www.listchallenges.com/npr-top-100-science-fiction-and-fantasy-books/stats

Interesting what's been read the most. I'm assuming that stuff like Once and Future King and Handmaiden's Tale get read in schools

>>9530464
>Handmaiden's Tale get read in schools
It's required reading in most America and Canada.

What you fags reading?
I'm reading some tomgirl hentai.

>>9530562
Which artist?
Bang-You has some good stuff.

>>9529701

The new list from 5E PHB/DMG has some shit stuff listed. Don't trust anything that Mike Mearls touched.

Yo anyone got any recs for fantasy or scifi where the main character starts off as a useless weakling and grows into a typical hero type by the end.

Every "hero emerges" story I read starts with someone who is either already fairly competent or blessed by destiny so they can't help but be good.

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>>9529701
>ahmed saladin

Fucking dropped right there.

>>9530710
By 'useless weakling' do you mean that they have no innate talents whatsoever?

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>>9526856
Should I read Green Earth or Science In The Capital trilogy? Green Earth is basically the abridged version of the full trilogy correct?

http://www.kimstanleyrobinson.info/content/science-capital-trilogy
https://www.goodreads.com/series/49129-science-in-the-capital

>>9530722
Yeah like a total weed. No "I'm really good at swords but too weak to lift big ones" stuff

>>9530731
Harry Potter.
He never progresses beyond useless.

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What's the Korgoth of Barbaria of /lit/?

>>9530459
Pust was funny, Kruppe was just fucking annoying.

>>9530562
Nova by Samuel R. Delany. It's pretty good so far desu. Fun space adventure.

>>9530236
July

After this, the number of fantasy series I'm following drops to 1. This is a first since high school.

>>9530750
What's Korgoth of Barbaria

The reason we talk about sf&f fantasy literature is because we here read books. Just because some of us play vidya or watch TV or cartoons or whatever doesn't mean we all do. So you can't bring your separate whatever in this thread and expect a rec from it

>>9530562
Elric Saga for the first time. Just finished book one, I love it.

>>9530924
It was a proposed adult cartoon that's a spoof of Conan-esque pulp fantasy (and was appropriately violent and raunchy). Only the pilot was ever made. It was very popular and positively received but they never made the series, I think because it was too expensive to animate.

>>9530745
Nigger Harry is brimming with natural talent. He duels adult wizards and wins despite being a half-assed student who can't even complete homework assignments on time.

>>9531010
Show us where JK Rowling touched you.

>>9531036
I can show you where I wish she'd touch me.

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This evening I opened a collection of Clark Ashton Smith stories and read The Tale Of Satampra Zerios, 1929. This is weird tale which recalls the aborted theft of an abandoned temple by the narrator and his accomplice. The description of an ancient city overgrown with giant foliage is full of foreboding, while the apparition they encounter in the temple is in the Lovecraftian style. One aspect that distinguishes the story was the voice of the narrator, of a tone which captures the boastful, selfish and conceited nature of a thief; an anti-hero like Jack Vance's Cugel instead of the protagonist you would expect in a Lovecraft story. Very good if you enjoy any of the Weird Tales and Lovecraft set, 4/5.

>>9531036
I'd let her touch me for 1% of her wealth.

>>9531005

Just watch Thundarr the Barbarian. Ookla was the coolest sidekick ever even if he was a k-mart wookie.

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>tfw when you realised Echopraxia is just Peter Watts trying to use his scientific skills to try and justify his loving dead father's faith and belief in religion

http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=3917
>Maybe he was right. Maybe those ancient dumb superstitions have some truth to them after all.

Q-QQUICK! SFFG IS DYING.
GIB IDEAS FOR POORLY DONE MARCO MEMES

>>9531190
It's dying because it's the weekend and nobody wants to talk to the shitposters

>>9531190
A sitting man with black wraparound sunglasses and a big grin. A VCR hooked up to some speakers with a book shoved into the tape slot.

>>9531242
Maybe just the VCR part

Any good books with a girl protag?

>>9531190
>POORLY DONE MARCO MEMES
Polo.

>>9531242

Beta or VHS. I think Beta would fit most paperbacks best.

>>9531249

None. Read Harry Potter, he's basically a bitch

>>9531251
Whatever you like. Point is to make it look like it was jammed in by a spastic.

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>>9531249
Excessive body hair okay?

>>9531271
>female author
like they have any idea what being a little girl is like

>>9531249
Mistborn Trilogy is enjoyable enough, not great though.

I didn't realise all of Gemmell's famous books were so short

>>9527019
what do you mean?

>>9531249
Some of the Discworld ones that fit the criteria.

>>9531242
Even if this is supposed to be an attack on fantasy in the visual mediums, I still I feel like this is an indirect or unwitting criticism audiobook listeners. Go ahead: I've never been able to enjoy an audiobook and I think it's a facile medium.

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>>9531249
I've read these many times, still enjoy them.

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Any fans of Jonathan Maberry's Joe Ledger biopunk series here?

And also I'm looking for some works dealing with future where biology is accentuated, not reddit nonsense like usb stick to the brain slash quantum computer = neural network ahoy!

>>9531249
few decent ones by that hmmm what's his name the guy that writes tons of low fantasy schlock ...

...

you know when they throw her down the cliff and she comes back for revenge as a mercenary, someone will tell you

>>9531376
what the fuck is BioPunk

>>9531085
It's funny how these writers cling like polyps to a Lovecraftian squid swimming in the corporate bookshops. They were wise to adhere to him lest their work be forgotten today. He's the Star Wars of horror.

>>9531376
From looking at the wiki, the Joe Ledger Series is not biopunk. Looks like standard Tom Clancy airport thriller trash the incidentally deals with bio-terrorist threats. The Windup Girl is biopunk.

>>9531249
>>9531398
You mean Joe Abercrombie's 'Best Served Cold'?

>>9531242
Name of book to be plugged in?

>>9530399
>"""Well read"""
>no mention of Le Guin or Mirrlees
Reading a wikipedia article sure is hard, retard.

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Thoughts on this book, /lit/ ?

>>9531376
Wind up girl is biopunk.
Neal Asher books deal with human/machine integration and genetically altering the human body.
JUST FUCKING READ NEAL ASHER.

>>9531422
Reading the books I can assure you it's indeed biopunk, dear shitposter.

>>9531437
From the cover the girl takes deep dick.

>>9530070
I just can't get over that ending of 3001.
How anticlimactic, you'd think alien beings that have evolved into pure energy could find a way to at least send information faster than light.

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>>9531444
Am I wrong in saying that it's Tom Clancy airport thriller trash?
>The series follows the titular Captain Joe Ledger, a former Army Ranger and Baltimore Detective. Joe is hired by a clandestine, investigative agency known as the Department of Military Sciences (DMS). The DMS is a shadow agency formed for the purpose of pursuing technologically advanced threats to the US and the world at large by terrorists. Threats encountered throughout the series range from designer pathogens that create zombies to transgenics used for ethnic cleansing.
>Genre: Military Fiction, Science fiction, Thriller
Yes, it has biological engineering in it but it's still obviously derived from military wankfest fiction and not hacker wankfest fiction, so it's not biopunk by any means.

>dear shitposter
This makes you sound just as stupid as the redditors who cry "Troll!" whenever someone has an opinion that conflicts with theirs, or their fluffy idea of reality.

>>9531472
>opinion

Nigger.
you.
did.
not.
read.
the.
books.

Also nice goalpost moving.

>>9531409
It's uncanny how many good authors emerge from Lovecraft's correspondence and encouragement, especially fantasy writers. As well as Smith, C.L. Moore, Fritz Leiber, Robert Howard. The survival of Lovecraft's letter seems to have fed into the scholarship and awareness that has meant the reprinting of these authors in prestige formats (Penguin, Fantasy Masterworks.) I read Lovecraft before all of them, he is a gateway author like that. What's also interesting is that Lovecraft wrote very little conventional fantasy except some of the dream cycle.

>>9531478
That's a no, I'm not wrong then.
I think it's fairly obvious that you don't understand what biopunk is.

>>9531360
It's a shame she's never managed another setting as good

I really like Age of Five but it's not up to snuff

>>9531434
>Attempting to virtue signal with Le Guin
This is /sffg/ anon not r/books

>>9531507
You know constantly moaning about an author you haven't read won't actually make them bad

It might work on the rest of /lit/ where nobody's read what they're talking about but not here

>>9531481
>good authors

I disagree, all of those that he was in direct contact with didn't amount to much. Ligotti is the only one that moved Lovecraft's work - further, to say it that way. Laird Barron was decent for a brief moment but he turned out to be a hack.

>>9531517
I'm confused, are you attempting to claim that people on /lit/ haven't already read Le Guin? or did you miss the point that everybody with even a slight interest in SF or Fantasy has already read Le Guin?

>>9531428
Depends on how you want to take it. Either BotNS or something recently popular. BotNS would probably be funnier.
>>9531347
It was intended to poke fun at audiobooks. VCR has a big enough slot to shove books in. Perhaps my imagery is too scattered.

>>9531437
Depressing, but ultimately enjoyable. I gave a short description here >>9374447

>>9531507
>site:reddit.com "virtue signalling"
>About 14,400 results (0.34 seconds)
Seems like you're the reddit newfag who needs to be fucking off back there

>>9531521
It depends on the values by which you judge an authors work. None of them remain as pervasive and relevant outside of the genre as Lovecraft because he is writing about the outsider, the anxiety of living in urban society, and our place in the universe. He was also uncompromising about his art, whereas it was a means of living for the others. They adopt some of his motifs and style here and there, but go on to be good authors of escapism rather than literature. Although sometimes some of them approach literature. C.L. Moore wrote a tremendous novelette about an android that is much more sophisticated than her Jirel Of Joiry and Northwest Smith, No Woman Born. And what better than Fafhrd and Gray Mouser if you want to read a fantasy like a buddy movie? It's Robert Howard I have the most dim view of - too exuberant, too densely descriptive.

Interestingly I came across something about Jorge Luis Borges and he dismissed Lovecraft as an unwitting pastiche of Poe. You can't please everyone.

>>9531583
Jesus anon could you do the thread a favour and not act so new.

>>9531584
Well they're all derivative and not in a good way. I mean the closest of those Lovecraft-era Mythos writers, not Howard. I'd say that the key difference is that they were all pulp fiction writers in terms of style, but all those Lovecraft punchlines were good despite the story mechanics since he garbed them in a novel attire. Rest didn't fare so well.

>reading a book about a gay depressed wizard
I know Lackey isn't well liked here but she sure can write characters

>>9531404
Biopunk is basically cyberpunk but with The Devil Monsanto instead of Microsoft.

Dark Fantasy > Low Fantasy > High Fantasy

We all agree on this, yes?

>>9531743
S&S > *

>>9531743
is there's a high and low, why no bright fantasy? or would that be fairy stories?

>>9531766
I'll agree to that.

>>9531779
Basically

>>9531779
Light fantasy is more commonly known as comic fantasy

>>9531590
>newfag in denial

>>9531743
Kill Yourself > Maim Yourself > Slap Yourself

>>9531790

Really? I would have thought gay fantasy, like Narnia.

>>9531460

they are FTL-capable in the other book(s) esp the 1st one.

>>9528084

> just like a hero out of some sort of story

>>9531005

sounds like the /lit/ version would be Conan by Robert E. Howard

>>9531249

Sabriel by Garth Nix. it's YA but nice.

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>>9530833
With all the buzz about diversity in sf, this would be a good time for a Nova film adaptation

>>9531085
>edited and introduced by S.T. Joshi

Can we take a moment to appreciate this man's magnificent autism?

>>9532342
The in-book explanation is that Bowman's experiences were simulated and he never really left the solar system.

The real reason is that Clarke felt FTL was less likely to be possible when he wrote the earlier novels and at any rate he doesn't see the need to maintain strong continuity between them -- they're different stories written using the same materials.

>>9532458
Nova won't get adapted because the "diversity" push is less about diversity and more about promoting certain new authors and Delany doesn't really need publicity.

>>9532592

Yes, so I was about to object, but you clearly understand the "variations on a theme" approach of the four books, which overlap and contradict each other in various ways, and which Clarke is always careful to explain in the various intro-outro matter.

But when you say "in-book" in this post, one must then ask exactly /which book/ you have in mind. Personally, I do not recall a passage in any of the four books which supports your retcon claim about what actually happened to Bowman, Clarke's own constant retcons notwithstanding. As I (re)read 2001, there is nothing in that text to prevent us from imagining that Bowman was being transported hella lightyears in moments, and literally so.

It is true that the later books refer to various "avatars" and certain confusions among the actors' aspects.

>reading web novel
>500 chapters in
>decide to subvocalize four words
>"wow that's weird as fuck"
>start reading again
>can't stop subvocalizing

If I stop reading for like a day will it go away?

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2016 Nebulas have been announced, did the SFWA make the right call?

>io9 co-founder Charlie Jane Anders walked away with the award for Best Novel. In her acceptance speech, she said that she constantly wrestled with the idea that she wasn’t good enough to write All the Birds in the Sky, and that she hoped that her award means that the next person arguing with themselves will be able to “tell the voices to shut up and go and write their frickin’ book”. Other winners include Seanan McGuire for Best Novella, William Ledbetter for Best Novelette, and Amal El-Mohtar for Best Short Story. Denis Villeneuve’s Arrival won the Ray Bradbury Award for Outstanding Dramatic Presentation, and David D. Levine earned the Andre Norton Award for Young Adult Science Fiction and Fantasy. SFWA also awarded Jane Yolan the Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award.

>>9533140
>Caring at all about Nebulas/Hugos/Any of those other garbage parades

Shit, If I'm looking at a book and it has those awards, it's more likely to be a point against it. Those awards promote trash.

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>>9530236
>>9530908
Zero here. I literally only read Bakker because I heard he ripped off Dune (which he did).
Now I continue because of my sweet Shaeönanra.

>>9533140
NK Jemisin or Yoon Ha Lee should have won it, not some retarded YA shit.

>>9533151
Don't worry Vox, you'll always be my shitlord :3

>>9533178
Vox's stuff isn't even worth pirating. It seems that 2000 onwards there has been a real dearth of actually talented authors.

>>9533185
Don't worry Mr. Wright I won't laugh at your fedora or trenchcoat :3

>>9533192
Wright's stuff is also shit.

>>9533208
Then who are you? Correia? Torgersen?

>>9533218
>ywn be an author
Why live?

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>>9533185
>It seems that 2000 onwards there has been a real dearth of actually talented authors.

I've found some new authors to follow, but I don't bother going through short stories because you have to wade through so much dross.

>>9533228
I think most short stories are make or break.

>>9531507
>virtue signal
Back to your containment board

>>9531506
Yeah. The sequels to Black Magician weren't very good either.

>>9533140
>her

>>9533228
Who else would you recommend?

>>9533333
>those digits
nice.

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>>9533333
i've sailed the world and the seven seas in search of these quints.
nice get, senpai

>>9533333
Check'd

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https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1620753440?book_show_action=true

really makes me ponder

>>9533449
*puts spork away*

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>>9533140
>All the Birds in the Sky is set in the near-future and is about Patricia and Laurence, a witch and a techno-geek. Patricia discovers, when she is six, that she has magical abilities, like talking to birds – but she has no control over it and cannot summon it at will. Laurence, from a young age, invents gadgets and later builds a supercomputer in his bedroom. Patricia and Laurence both attend the same junior high school where they discover each other after being ostracized by other children for being too strange.

WHO LIKES THIS SHIT

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>>9533655
Execution is key to any literary work but jesus I just threw up in my mouth reading that description.

>>9533655
>WHO LIKES THIS SHIT

People with Women's Studies degrees.

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>>9533662
>>9533660
>>9533151
If the big sci-fi awards are all trash how the fuck are we meant to find out what's good anymore?

I only found out about Blindsight, arguably the best modern scifi book I've read, through this general.

It took a garbage general on a garbage board on a garbage dying website for me to find some good scifi. What the fuck.

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>>9533675
I don't know about other works but sci-fi and fantasy seem to be more of an "experience" thing to me. I might be retarded so let me know if so, please.

When you start out you either want the big pulpy shit or grandiose magic nukes and explained magic systems, basically what you'd expect from an RPG or D&D (if you dont play those things you at least like to be explained why the wizard can level a mountain no problem)

Then you start seeing the conventions, you realize the politics of elvenfuckcity could be explored a bit more, so you delve into the social commentary of the works, not necessarily bashing any ideology but seeing some sort of connections and why the magocratic theologic city of wizard would never fucking work in real life.

In the end, you become a jaded faggot who wants something different, you start to roll your eyes at the 30th time someone wants to teach you the words for a magic spell in "notLatin", and now you search something either completely post-modern and obfuscated, or you just attempt some unreliable narrator or post-modern commentary, which just makes you feel out of touch and feel like everything sci-fi/fantasy is shit now.

>>9533705
Literally what the fuck does any of that have to do with awards being garbage dispensers now?

>>9532458
You may take a moment. Joshi's introductions and end notes both clarify and add biographical colour to the collections he edits. People who buy other editions of Lovecraft are missing out. I've just started the CAS collection and the quality is the same if not better. He has chosen his favourite short stories, poetry and prose poems. It's a good treatment of the author down to the cover, which is one of Smith's paintings.

>>9533140
I'm retracting any negative opinions I had of Jemisin, this post has singe handily made me reassess genre fiction. Consider this my formal apology to that SJW that gets triggered nearly every thread when female authors are mentioned.

Curious to give Jemisin a try, what's good/bad about her work other hurr durr sjw?

>>9533918
Good: Stylistically interesting, fairly unique setting.

Bad: Inheritance is basically just a trilogy of romances so if you don't like that don't read it and go for Broken Earth instead.

>>9533705
I don't know, I went in reverse, and I think most people do as well; starting with political intrigue, especially with novels that try to avoid avoid the conventional morality. And then they transition to "big pulpy shit or grandiose magic nukes and explained magic systems".

Also you haven't played D&D in at least a decade have you? very few people play Conan like adventures any more, most campaigns resemble something more akin to "The Goblin Emperor" or "Discworld".

>>9533932
She meanders a lot, her characters act their in a video game (Hello I've just met you, now let me spend pages upon pages giving you my entire backstory!), goes full-on pornographic fan-fiction in places. Sanderson-like Info dumps and magic system.

Worse authors have won the Hugo's.

I don't get why god emperor is praised so much, leto's just a manipulative asshat & duncan spends his time whining

whatever, onto fourth mansions

>>9533675
Follow through authors, for example: Moorcock > Vance > Anderson > Lin Carter's Flashing Swords > Fritz Leiber/Sprague de Camp/Zelazny

>>9533932
>>9533975
Thank, I'll check out Broken Earth

>>9533655
Sounds like Anne Bishop's raven series/ Julia Kagawa's Iron Fey series mixed with Artemis Fowl who actually wants some pussy.
Shit.

>>9534051
Broken Earth is great (so far, there's still time for the third book to fuck up but I can't wait to torrent/borrow/download that one.

Inheritance is trash unless you enjoy straight shotacon and Jemisin's anime years. It gets better towars the end but since it's basically the first written thing it is much less polished compared to Broken Earth.

Killing Moon is good if you enjoy slow worldbuilding and gay, gay undertones (is there even a single female in this book? This anon does not remember. ) I never read the KM followup because anon said that one was bad.

>>9526996
36/100
Based on the ones I've read, I can't say I'm hyped to read the rest. Reddit really did pick this list, didn't they?

>>9534160
No it was a much broader vote than reddit since there's non-reddit shit stuff too

Sword of Truth is awful Ayn Rand fanboy fantasy
Xanath (Piers Anthony) is awful rapey fantasy
Outlander and Time Travelers' wife are both momcore (neither is bad but they're very much not reddit's thing)

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>it's a Sarcellus episode

Too like lightning is getting GOAT

>>9534289
tfw I mentioned it months ago and got told to "stop shilling"

>>9532832
That was the explanation in 3001 I believe. Although I read it when it first came out, which was a long fucking time ago. Maybe it wasn't explicit but it's the only thing that makes sense if FTL wasn't possible at all.

There's no question that he really left the solar system during 2001.

>>9534184
>Sword of Truth is awful Ayn Rand fanboy fantasy
It really Isn't that bad, I don't know why people repeat this, the main character is incredibly righteous in a Christian sense, almost like a parody of Christ.

>>9534485
Regardless, Sword of Truth is absolute degenerate shite.

>>9534219
>it's a getting jerked off by a bird with the head of a man episode

>>9534160
I've read over 700 sff books that I could remember (documented) and I only got 22.
It's an reddit list alright.

>>9534295
It's a pro trans book with "pronouns" and "gender" of course it's propagandist shit, and the persons who like it traverse reddit and lgbt on a regular basis, or maybe studied gender studies.

>>9534707
I literally can't tell if you're being serious or not

>>9534289
lol this is by ada palmer one of my professors at university

She's a fucking huge bitch in real life, completely Tumblr and full of herself, thinks shes so fucking interesting

>>9534796
O.K. I will admit her classes are interesing at least

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>manga scholar

>>9534817
Oh no a woman made a joke!!!!

>>9534830
>woman

>>9534830
hello ada

I've been looking to find sci-fi writers who are good prose stylists. Stephenson isn't bad and the guy who wrote the culture series (forgetting his name now) is a good example of what I'm getting at as well. Anyone have any recommendations based on what I just vaguely said?

>>9534854
Just because I like to keep modern work in the loop, Ninefox Gambit is written very nicely

>>9530946
same desu

Im just getting into sci fi. Why is BotNS considered meme-tier and bad by you guys?

>>9534854
Robert Silverberg is a good prose writer, long and fluid sentences mixed with choppy repetitious phrasing. He's definitely aware of pleasing rhythms. Ursula Le Guin is also a stylist. What I note about her is she is good at picking metaphors or unusual ways of imagining things. I remember in The Dispossessed, a town of lower storey houses is compared to a sprinkling of salt grains. Jack Vance also has his moments - he really knows how to describe sunlight and light in general. His strength is erudite dialogue though.

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>>9534742
>I recommend starting with Too Like the Lightning, Book One of the Terra Ignota series.

But it’s not for everyone. Some readers don’t enjoy its historical narrative tone, based on 18th century Enlightenment novels, some don’t enjoy when science fiction mixes in fantasy elements. The book also uses gender in a very challenging way, with a narrator who assigns gendered pronouns to people based on his own idiosyncratic opinions, which is intentionally disorienting in a way some people don’t enjoy. Of course, many readers love those exact same elements.

from her website senpai

>>9534948
BotNS is an excellent book, but it isn't something to dive into and I wouldn't start there. Read some other Wolfe stuff first.
I think it's just meme'd because so many people bitch about how tough it is, plus it's pretty ubiquitous here so there's plenty to meme about.

>>9534796
is she a tranny

>>9535027
>she

>>9535036
Is it a tranny

>>9534989
Good to know. Most sci-fi classics lists seem to regard it really highly so its high on my list of things to read. I will wait though if it isn't entry level

>>9535061
Try Peace and Fifth Head of Cerberus if you want to get into Wolfe. He's a great author though, well worth the effort.

>>9534948
BOTNS gets some shit here because there's a few Wolfe posters who never talk about anything else

It is a very good book though

>>9535052
Yes.

>>9533753
My (apparently badly conveyed point) was that maybe the game hasn't changed, we have.

>>9534830
I'd be pissed at a male "manga scholar" too, reddit-kun. You can stop defending people who aren't even being attacked.

>>9535361
What's wrong with manga? Yokohama Kaidishi Kikou is /lit/

>>9534707
The world in TLTL tries to be post-gender, but the narrator notes that this makes it easier for certain people to use gender and sex as tools to manipulate people. It's an anti-SJW take on gender if anything

>>9534796
Lots of good authors/artists in general are shitty people. Asimov was a definite creeper, Clarke was a an overt pederast, Mieville is a fucking communist, etc. They still wrote good books.

>>9534854
Gene Wolfe
Jack Vance
Le Guin

>>9534948
BotNS is amazing but it's a really bad place to start because it's unusually obtuse. It gets recommended a lot because a often times we get posters who want something "deep" after reading other SF and BotNS usually fits the bill.

So is Too Like the Lightning worth reading or?

>>9535514
until it's on the amazon UK store I won't know

>>9535547
>>9535547
>>9535547
>>9535547
>>9535547

>>9534485
More like self righteous.

People tend to hate it because it's obviously some libertarians wet dream.

>that scene when he kicks the little girls jaw off
>when they charge the anti war protestors and just butcher them
>when that one dude just bans "fire"