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/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

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Love knows no barriers Edition.

Fantasy
Selected:
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General:
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Flowchart:
>https://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg

Science Fiction
Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/IBs9KE8.jpg
General:
>https://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg
>https://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg

NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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FOR MANCHILDREN
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>>9479905
Thanks for fixing the OP.
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>>9479905
Why did you replace the actual chart with your pathetic attempt at shilling your book, Susanna Clarke?
People like you who rely on deceptive techniques instead of talent and hard work will never make a name for themselves, Suze.
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>>9479917
Stevian, if I wrote as poorly as you did, I would genuinely consider killing myself.
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>>9479924
If you keep giving (You)s out like that constantly whenever Steve is mentioned, you're gonna make a lot more people start steveposting, you do realize that right?
Or are you too blinded by your buttpain to see logic?
Whatever happened to ignore the trolls, oh wait, let's just keep feeding them.
And no, I'm not the one you're replying to, and I'm not one of the ones steveposting, you're just a fucking idiot
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Just finished Assassin's Fate. Cried like a bitch for pretty much the last third. A fitting end for so many characters that I love, especially Fitz.
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is ninefox gambit any good?
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>>9479924
That was actually irony, and not Steveposting. The fact that you believe Stevian would say seriously something that I consider an obvious joke tells me much about how highly careful, it's irony again you think of him.

Does Stevian really write like a non native English speaker?
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>>9479914
Leave my property.
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>>9479930
We will just give the mods a nod if that happens. If you haven't noticed we have a mod now (unlike in 2011). When polshit gets out of hand they step in. If Stev and his followers want a 30+ day ban. Go ahead.
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>>9480032
Where'd you get that figure from? I used to stevepost months ago when that shit was still happening, never got banned
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>>9480037
People weren't riled up enough to report to the posts. But as you noticed in the last thread and the thread before people are pissed. This shit has been on going for months, and it distracts from discussion. Instead of one or two you will get 10 plus reports. When the mod pops in and gives a quick read he will see it's some cunt trying to get financial gain. But instead of buying a ad spot for 20bucks on 4chins, he is using guerilla tactics to get his book out.

I'm sure in those weeks when nobody noticed the chart change he got some sales, seeing as his book is only available through Amazon no one can find a torrent, and it's $10 a copy to boot.

If I was banned twice for arguing some shit I can't remember (was slightly on topic but w/e) he will get hammered for advertising. Moot/Hiro never liked people making a buck on his expense.
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>>9480079
>This shit has been on going for months, and it distracts from discussion

DO
NOT
FEED
THE
TROLLS

Is this your first month on 4chan?
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so, besides Elric, wich other Moorock works should I read?
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>>9480118
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What did he mean by this?
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>>9480172
I really utilize hack to be the babe, 'aight.
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>>9480180
I really utilize the babe to be hack, 'aight?
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>>9479905
At first I thought that OP-pic was along the lines of /r9k/. Women are monsters that do not actually have empathy and so on.
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Can we talk about Rothfuss for a moment please? I used to disregard the naysayers and actually enjoyed his first book a lot. The second book is significantly worse, but still readable. His most recent 2.5 book, "The Slow Regard of Silent Things", was just trash, and his personality is starting to annoy me.

I checked out his Goodreads profile, and it's stupid. He almost exclusively gives 5-star reviews, and mindlessly praises every book from famous/semi-famous/book-y people. He currently has 650 ratings and an average of 4.64. That's insane, and obviously ridiculous. Every single book he's read is significantly above average? What a fucking joke. When he doesn't like a book he swears and bitches like a, well, a bitch, and is entirely unpleasant and pretentious.

I'm getting more and more convinced that people were right: he's just riding this King Killer wave and milking it as hard as possible because he knows he will never publish anything worth reading afterwards. It's better to have fans screaming for a book three (that was supposed to be finished in TWO THOUSAND AND TWELVE) than no fans left at all.
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>>9479905
Why is your picture backwards?
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>>9480217

because nobody dies if penetration happens?
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>>9480240
Love finds a way anon.
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>>9480245

do they find a way or not?
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>>9480245
I have a relevant screenshot from /a/ but am too lazy to find it. There was something about bathing in cum
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>>9480194
He's a hack that was lucky to connect with the Harry Potter/Twilight audience.

He will never be a prolific author, he spends his time on twitter and video games. After he's done with King Killer he will ride it out as long as he can (tv or movie adaptation, social media, conventions) and then fade into obscurity.
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>>9480255
Yes, that's what I meant. She gets very pregnant.
Sorry to disappoint, after they grouse for a while about their love only being platonic he accidentally becomes a humie.
I think they both become dragons later, but haven't read the final book.
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>>9480194
Slow Regard is the only interesting thing he's ever done.
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>>9480293

what a copout
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>>9480351
IKR
Honestly though, you can't expect much better out of a book where it's love at first sight between the protagonist and the king of dragons.
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>>9480101
So just sage, hide and report right?
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>>9480136
I'm sure that particular cover has been out of print for decades.
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>>9480172

I really hack the babe to utilize aight, be.
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>>9480240
>>9480245
>>9480255
>>9480293
Maybe she is a size queen? If they have guys who trained themselves to take bad dragons / fire extinguishers whole up their arse, a woman can take a long dicking from a dragon in her vag.
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>>9480118
I agree with
>>9480136
that the Jerry Cornelius books are worth a look, especially after reading Elric because some of them are just re-skinned Elric stories.
Dancers at the End of Time series is fun.
Behold the Man is a great time travel story.
If you're looking for more pulpy fantasy, then try Hawkmoon, Corum or Erekose. If you plan to go down that route, then read The Eternal Champion first.
If you're after GRI, try, again, the Cornelius books, as well as The Adventures of Una Persson and Catherine Cornelius in the 20th Century and Breakfast in the Ruins.
Try to avoid learning anything about Moorcock himself, particularly his personality, his political opinions and his views on other authors, as this will ruin your ability to enjoy his work.
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>>9480400

>Trolls won't get (You)s
>They get bored
>They won't pull the shit they're doing right now and have done before

Impossible to comprehend concept, am I right?
Much easier to just keep responding to them every time
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>>9480406
I have this one, thought it was gonna be about an evil AI...
>tfw never encountered vore in a book before
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>>9480451

Reading it right now.
>Next book due ~april next year
REEEEEEEEEEEE
I fucking hate waiting years for the next book
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>>9480458
How fast does Nona grow up?
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>>9480459

No clue I'm at the point where she just got to the monastery or cloister or w/e and she took a bath
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>>9480462
Overall, do you feel it's a smart choice to have a loli heroine in (presumably) grimdark fantasy?
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>>9480451
Mark Lawrence is an edgemaster.
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>>9480471

We don't know if she will remain a loli throughout the story though, I think she will fast forward years in learning with the nuns and she will become a badass when she's like 15 or something

But to your question, yes, we need more loli protags.
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>>9480194
Rothfuss wrote a hit book and it went straight to his head. Fantasy genre was ripe for a new big name in 2007, and Rothfuss was looking like it was going to be him. But the professional fantasy community jumped on his bandwagon too soon, now he's convinced he doesn't even need to write books to be a big name in fantasy. He just shmoozes with other authors and doles out hot opinions like he's earned the right to act like an old hand at the genre when his fame is barely a decade old and predicated on an unfinished 2 book series that's already decaying in quality.

Rothfuss could've been great if nobody had really noticed him til he had 3 or 4 books out at least.
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>>9480480

It's the good kind of edge though
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I just finished Solaris, what other Lem is good?
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>>9480507
his essays are okay
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>>9480506
>good kind of edge
rofl
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>>9480458
The frustrating part is Lawrence is already done writing the entire series. He was done before the first book was published, they're just staggering releases to 1/year cause that's how he's always released his books.

>>9480459
>>9480471
The story does Lawrence's usual thing of periodically jumping around rather than doing a straight linear story. Most of the book is told in a linear fashion with a minor time skip about halfway through the book (only like 2-3 years). There's also these "flash-forward" segments where you see Nona as an adult, but they're very brief and there's only like 3 of them scattered through out the book. Most of it is her as a young child, prepubescent, even after the time skip she still hasn't had her period yet I think.
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>>9480506
>I don't like to get angry. It makes me angry.
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>>9480525
>what is humor
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>>9480507
I'm reading Solaris and so far it's mostly been really convoluted technical jargon and almost nothing has happened. Half the time the book focuses on Kelvin talking with Snow and everything else is just confusing and mysterious. I'm on like page one hundred or so, can't remember the specific part I'm at since I haven't read it in a few days, something where Kelvin is talking to Snow. Should I finish it?
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can i get a recommendation for a fantasy series where gods interact with mortals? i'm already reading malazan
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>>9480677
Shadowmarch by Tad Williams. The gods are a lot more distant and aloof than the ones in Malazan, only rarely coming into contact with the characters, but it's more exciting when they do for all that. In Malazan, mortals are incredibly blase about coming face to face with their gods because it seems to happen with regularity.
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Has anyone read Dread Empire's Fall?
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I just finished David Zindells Ea Cycle and really enjoyed it. Now I'm looking for something similar. Any recommendations?
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Guys does the emperor of thorns book have a different font type for the flashback parts? Or is my copy fucked?

It looks ugly
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>>9480172
Really, Babe? I utilize Aight to be the Hack.
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>>9480677
Age of White
Unhewn throne
Promise of blood
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>>9481076
Really babe? I utilize the hack to be aight.
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>>9480172
I buy four rifles every year, and gift them to random acquaintances on Pat Rothfuss's birthday. It is a ritual penance I do for having ever paid for one of his books.

I'm running out of unarmed people, I'm going to have to start meeting new people so that I can keep arming them.
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>>9481022
uhh i just started mine last night but so far all the fonts are uniform
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>>9480544
might as well, it's a well known and respected book
I agree it's exactly fun to read but at least trawling through the fictional jargon sections feels rewarding
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>>9481345
Sadpanda code for pic?
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back at it again with the shitchart
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>>9479905
Any suggestions for robot male on human female stories?
>inb4 robots have no gender
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>>9481917
One of Asimov's "Robots and..." books had a subplot about this with some surprisingly explicit scenes, but I forget which
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>>9481917
The Caves of Steel books, but I think it's all implied
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So /sffg/ I don't usually read a lot of science fiction but I wanna start. Can anyone suggest something entertaining with huge space battles and ridiculous tech. Reading the description for Consider Phlebas and it sounds like what i'm looking for.
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>>9481991
The Culture books are great, but Use of Weapons is probably a better entry point. Consider Phlebas isn't bad, though.
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>>9481938
>>9481941
Cool I think I has some of those in my backlog. You wouldn't happen to remember what kind of robot it was? I ask because a project I'm playing around with has a woman fall in love with an old war robot
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>>9482015
In Caves of Steel it's an android intended to be indistinguishable from human.
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>>9482005
Isn't that the third book in that series? Is it really fine to start in the middle of the series like that?
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>>9481991
t-try my chart >>9481902

although realistically I think Dune, Gateway or Hyperion are all great entry points, along with The Culture which other anon suggested.
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>>9480194
Wait, Slow Regard was actually the best thing he's written, it actually showed writing talent far above anything in those books... Makes me think you are a retard.
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>>9482029
It's fine. Culture novels don't really follow on from one another.
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>>9479905
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>>9480194
While it's nice to see folks out there giving this book five stars, and in some cases even reviewing it, I'll admit that I'm kinda puzzled.

After thinking it over for a while, I've realized there's only one explanation for this:

Time travelers love my books.

This is strangely reassuring, as it lets me know that, eventually, I do finish my revisions, and the book turns out good enough so that I still have a following out there in the big ball of wibbly-wobbly.... timey-wimey.... stuff that I like to think of as the future.

I would also like to say, future readers, that I appreciate your taking time to read and review my books. It's really flattering knowing that even with time-travel technology at your disposal, you'd rather read my stuff and mention it here on goodreads, rather than, say, hunt dinosaurs, get drunk with da Vinci, or pants Hitler.

Secondly, I'd like to say if you're The Doctor, and you're reading this, I would make an excellent traveling companion. I know you normally tend to hang out with pretty young women and robot dogs. And honestly? I respect that.

Still, I bring certain things to the table. Humor, witty banter, and a beard that will allow me to blend in seamlessly with any pre-industrial Germanic culture. I'm also an excellent kisser and play a mean game of Settlers of Catan.

Just throwing it out there.

Lastly, if any of you happen to have a digital copy of the book you'd like to e-mail me, I'd really appreciate it. I'd love to see the five-star version of the book, because right now, the one I'm toiling away at is about a three an a half-in my opinion. It would save me a lot of work if I could just skip to the end and publish it.

Sincerely yours,

pat
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>>9482028
Whata cop out
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>>9482280
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>>9482184
>if you don't appreciate poetry you're a retard
>cultured people enjoy poems
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>>9480677
I second Unhewn Throne.
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>>9481991
Take a look at The Commonwealth Saga.
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>>9481345
Does Pat the gnome hate guns or something?
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So here's the extent as to the SFF books I've read:
>The Hobbit/The Lord of the Rings
>A bunch of books by Arthur C Clarke
>ditto for Philip K. Dick
>first three books of ASOIAF
>bit of stuff by Harlan Ellison
>most of Dune but didn't like it
>The Time Machine
>Watchmen and V for Vendetta (fuck you, it counts)
>The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (up to book three)
>Alice's Adventures In Wonderland
>currently reading Solar Lottery and the Illuminatus! Trilogy (plus Desolation Angels, but that's irrelevant here)

What does /sffg/ recommend I read next? I'm thinking of something really fun and out-there. I would read Hyperion but I want something with Star Wars-tier space travel and stuff like that.
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>>9482859
Revelation Space I guess.
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>>9482859
Depends on what you like.. Look at this chart if yo care to.
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>>9481349
>>9481349
make sure your reader is not overriding the books default to check. It seems the font goes crazy from chapter 4 onwards, with a change in POV

I should have clarified Im talking about the ebook version
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>>9479905
I asked this in the deleted thread and fell asleep only to find it deleted so I'll ask again.

Any fantasy that uses Biblical shit as inspiration. I like angels and demons and whatnot. I'm tired on tolkein-esque and don't feel like magic either.
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>>9479905
What is this picture a reference to?
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>>9480118
You shouldn't read any of his works.
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>>9482979
Anyone read The Windup Girl? Sounds interesting and unique enough.
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I asked last thread and didn't get a response so I'll try again.

Do you chaps know of a more adult oriented fantasy series that deals with a fantasy "nature preserve"?
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>>9480521
>The frustrating part is Lawrence is already done writing the entire series. He was done before the first book was published, they're just staggering releases to 1/year cause that's how he's always released his books.

That's fucking gay and I hate this 1 book every year meme
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>>9483403
How else do you stay relevant?
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What are some good fantasy or sci fi books with MONSTERS or creatures of some sort.?
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>>9483445

Shit out more books like Sanderson
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>>9483403
It makes sense to stagger publication from a marketing point of view. Each release is a chance to spike sales and promote himself as an author. If he released all 3 at once he probably wouldn't sell as much or get to do as much promotion.
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>>9483614

Not at once. Even 6 months would be better so people don't forget his book
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he should release them all at once, binging is popular now cf the rise of netflix
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>>9482859
Nah mate you gotta read Hyperion
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>>9483451
Monster Hunter series.
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What'd ya think?


Imo, pretty neat story. A bit too philosophical, but I guess I'm down with that general discussion.

The epilogue framing could have not happened, and the never them thing I would rather forget about.
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>>9482005
the best entry point for The Culture is actually "The State of the Art". It's a short story collection (not Culture exclusive though, just a few of the stories are Culture related) which gives you a pretty great overview of The Culture and its setting, while the other books throw you right into cold water.
If you don't like the setting you can stop rght there and never look back and it's a way shorter experience/waste of time if you'd like to think so.
And then there's the general problem with Culture books, most of them don't actually play in the Culture itself but outside, with fringe/outsider characters being the protagonists, only working for the interests of the Culture, without any or just a limited access to their ridiculous tech level. On the other hand, reading about a utopia through a novel length book would probably be quite boring so there's that.
And I personally think Player of Games is by miles better than Use of Weapons, I just can't understand why /lit/ is gushing all over that fucking book
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>>9483892
I agree that Player of Games is by far the best one. But the anon asking the original question wanted an introduction, as well as "something entertaining with huge space battles and ridiculous tech."
If that's what they're looking for, they might be put of by the 9-D Settlers of Catan that takes up most of Player of Games.
I imagine the unique structure in Use of Weapons is what generates most of the gushing. Given how many Gene Wolfe fans there are round here, there's obviously an interest in novels that function as puzzles.
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>>9483334
Everything on that chart has been read by at least one person (me) that is why I can objectively say what takes place in those books.
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>>9483295
Plenty. I'll let the dinosaurs help you with this one. You seem like a fossil in disguise (Tolkien is the only thing you can reference).
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>>9481991
Neal Asher (Shadow of the scorpion)
Bv Larson (undying mercenaries)
But you aren't going to read. You will just come back like you've been doing for the past 6 months and ask the same fucking question again, and again.
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I want to read something wich mechs.

I finished the first of the battletech warrior books, its was fine and all but I cand get past the second one, En Garde had some corny writing but it doesnt get any better in Riposte.
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>>9483334
Yes, I've read The Windup Girl. Interesting setting, overall plot. There were a couple scenes that stood out as not great, but overall a solid read.
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>>9483295
Steven Brust, To Reign in Hell. Along with good ol' Blake.
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>>9484380
Man, I still got most of those flying around here.
Sadly you can hardly find better Battletech novels than those of Stackpole and you'll have to get used to people with funny eyes (he later introduces some character with yellow eyes) since he's obsessed with that.
Furthermore I personally like pre-clan invasion techlevel (3025) most but that's sadly the smallest part of the novels and general story.
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>>9484574

Im just a sucker to the timberwolf, funny thing given that it looks more low tech than prior mechs
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>>9484574
>you'll have to get used to people with funny eyes
That's amusing. The only thing I've read by him is the Xwing series and the antagonist has heterochromia.
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>>9482979

I've seen a lot of hate for The Red Knight, why?
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>>9484380
The Mech series by Bv Larson.
Fuck off.
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>>9484827
It's shit. Hot blooded mercenaries that behave like how people portrayed knights (noble, gentlemanly, etc) instead of hkw they really were (rapists, etc).
It's filled with a dualistic religion. Praising the Christian God and the Sun, but you better don't be one of those tree worshiping fae using scum.

A mature nun whose cunny was probably tighter than Rothfuss's resolve to never release a book 3 was offering the protagonist some fuk, and he didn't want none of it. He then took up some mountain wench who dropped a litter of kids already. Stupid capture the hill plot. Only interesting thing was the ending, but fuck it if I'm putting myself through any more of Mile's writing just for a 'maybe' with the end.

I know you will say "sounds great, thanks. Will be reading next" to piss me off. But I don't care. Read it if you like. Maybe your pleb ways will show through and you will enjoy it.
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>>9483631
6 months would be fine, but his last two trilogies were all released 1 book/year and sold very well apparently so that's what they've decided to do with this one. Also maybe he wanted 3 years to plan his next one.
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>>9484827
it's pretty much just the one autist
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>>9484758
color me surprised
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>>9484893
do you ever get tired of writing the same shit all the time?

I don't think one person has ever thanked you for your retarded opinions
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>>9483403
After his last shitty trilogy where the entire final book was just PLEASE BUY MY NEXT SERIES ALL THE INTERESTING THINGS WE SET UP WILL HAPPEN THERE why the fuck would you ever read his trash again?
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There are 56 days until The Unholy Consult is released.

How do we save /ourguy/ Akka?
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>>9485354

What? Which series?
I liked his broken empire series
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>>9485382

Go smoke some weed and go to bed Bakker
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>>9485389
Can you show me on the doll where Bakker touched you?
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>>9485398

Everywhere
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>>9482979
How's Black Jewels?
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>>9485428
Lots of rape with a bit of magic thrown in
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How are the other Malazan books, the ones outside of the Book of the Fallen series? I like BotF a lot and love the idea that all that world-building is utilized in other books.
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>>9485382
>dickgirls
is there mainstream fantasy/science-fiction with dickgirls?
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One of you lazy fantasy fucks make a Malthazan chart for these minnows
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>>9482859
Together with reading all the Thrawn Star Wars books I would recommend reading the Hyperion Cantos, Foundation Series by Asimov (all of them), Ninefox Gambit and Forever War (military).

If you like weird fiction I recommend Lem's Solaris, Roadside Picnic and Blindsight/Echopraxia.

NO SPACE TRAVEL:
If you like people brewing up an apocalypse and great black humour I recommend Cat's Cradle.
If you enjoy science I recommend the Invisible Man by HG Wells and Nightfall by Asimov.
If you enjoy politics and mysteries try Cyteen by Cherryh
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>>9485428
i second this. I just dont want it to be a feminist fantasy
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>>9485382


I just checked bakker and it seems literaly custom made for me.
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>>9485072
Has anyone ever thanked you?
I wss thanked multiple times.
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>>9484993
>I'm the only one that dislikes this book
I too sometimes project my feels unto one mastermind, so the truth doesn't hurt as much. But you need to face reality. Multiple persons dislike the series. I've seen some place it with gurm/rothfuss tier.(they really hate rothfuss and gurm)
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>>9485383
Maybe his read queen series? I dropped the series at book one, so I don't know if that happens.
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>>9486409
>>9485428
It's GRI APPROVED. What's to know? Loli gets raped, men get raped.
Do like someone said. Go to goodreads and look at the one star reviews. If most are women crying about rape or some shit, that's an indicator that it's good.
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>>9484893
I think I'll give this a try
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>>9486846
the chart dude who moans about the lack of nun rape I'm fairly certain is one person.
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Is there anything that combines space opera and cosmic horror, other than WH40k novels?
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>>9486946
i'll bump your query for interest
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>watching the Dark Tower trailer
>Jake having dreams and talking to someone about the Tower
>Roland being a nigger
>Roland going to Earth
fuck every bit of this
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>>9486976
>movie adaptation of a book sucks
color me surprised. of course, i'll wind up seeing it for cheap at a matinee if i get bored enough
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>>9486946
what, like chaos gods, demonic possesion, shit like that?
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>>9486946
what do you mean by cosmic horror?

cause something like the nights dawn trilogy involves an alien being causing the souls of the dead to come back to life then there's stuff like the gap cycle where there's an alien race constantly lurking in the background but they aren't the main antagonist
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>>9485575
they're not bad, takes place before during and after the book of the fallen

if you're looking to see more of the world go for it, but know that they're not as good as the main books cause written by a different guy, although he helped create the series with erikson
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>>9483403
it's better than assholes like rothfuss and martin who take forever to write a book
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>>9487028
writing style/prose wise, how are they?
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>>9486883
Please write a post paragraphs long and filled with anger and angst when you are done. Your misery is my sustenance.
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>>9486976
Cosmere-san. Do you have a sister? I think I can cure that problem you have in the "spoiler" if I date her.

Also the movie was written with King's approval.

He himself said it wouldn't match the book 100%.

Also the guy playing Roland is a very talented actor.
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>>9487034
i'd say its just overall simpler than book of the fallen, characters didn't seem to have as much depth and the descriptions of things like the geography and cultures wasn't as good

like i said they're not bad by any means but don't go in expecting the same connection you probably got from the others though there are still plenty of interesting things and you get to see places/people/events that were only mentioned before
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>>9487008
>>9487022
Lovecraft-like shit.
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Is there a difference on the shadow of what was lost 2016 reissue to the original or purely cosmetic?
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How is this?
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>>9484893
thanks autistkun i now know how to effectively shill books to people
write a stark raving review and somebody might bite when they would not have if i wrote honest and waxed poetic
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>>9487163
Read the series before, it's kind of a buddy buddy novel liks the Gray Mouser books.

I don't know wtf this series is about. It's like Sullivan swallowed the reddit and tumblr pill whole. Modern sensibilities and thought processes are showing up in a book that clearly takes place when man is just learning about living in a grouped society. The sad thing is all the books are finished and just awaiting publishing (he is following the one release a year model every else and their grandmother is using), so he can't change anything now, even if everyone complains.
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>>9487163
have you read his mageborn series?

no idea about his age of series but it's a prequel to mageborn and that series was all over the place in terms of quality, only series i can think of where the main characters penis size is brought up on multiple occasions
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>>9487201
What I meant is go ahead and read the previous series. The revelations or chronicles, can't remember which. Those are the buddy books.

This new piece seems aimed at sjw appeasement.
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>>9487201
>>9487211
Nazis go on /pol/, drumpfkin.
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>>9487206
think you have him mixed up with michael g manning
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>>9487206
What crack are you on son?
Age of Myth is by Michael J Sullivan, not Michael G Manning.
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>>9487220
I'm black how can I be a nazi? Also I don't live in Land of the Obese.
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>>9487221
>>9487226
Manning-ception
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>>9487221
>>9487226
my bad, in my defense names are similar
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>>9487241
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>>9487241
idk
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>>9484893

what else can you add to the gay rape and incest category, surely its more than those 3 up there
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>>9487241
Not all nazi's are white nationalists, the jews are enemy #1
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>>9487258
Hitler was a jew. History is all about the victor.
It's "His" Story for a reason.
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>>9487282
It's more than those three yes, but many others don't have it as much.
For e.g. Broken Empire, Night Angel Trilogy, Red Rising, Wind up girl, etc all have varying degrees of gri.
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TUC when?

I need to put it on my "things to look forward to" calendar.
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>>9487498
See >>9485382
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Beside a wrinkle in time is there anything like His Dark Materials that doesn't go to shit after the first book?
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>>9487163

Completely FILLED with feminism, fuck if I have to hear another "oh yeah women are so much better they invented fucking pockets" in his next one I'll just drop him forever
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>>9487515
>if I have to hear another "oh yeah women are so much better they invented fucking pockets" in his next one I'll just drop him forever
See >>9487201
>The sad thing is all the books are finished and just awaiting publishing (he is following the one release a year model every else and their grandmother is using), so he can't change anything now, even if everyone complains.
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For anyone who writes sci-fi, where do you guys go for digestible research texts on science related topics?
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>>9487563
not really a scifi author (or really an author at all) but when I research science for my writing I usually find that just googling it is the best solution.

secondary methods depend on what you want to know. I do not recommend /sci/ for questions for obvious reasons, but /r/asksciencediscussion is actually pretty decent. I don't recommend /r/askscience since the mods have to hand-pick what threads go through, but you CAN learn a fuck ton from searching archives as long as you're not too deep down the rabbit hole

Youtube resources are also pretty important. Try crashcourse for broad studies and channels like numberphile, vertasium, pbs spacetime and scishow for that sort of thing
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>>9487639
This is just insultingly surface-level popscience shit and is not going to be helpful for anyone looking for entry level information into the hard sciences or contemporary technological development.
That said, you're right that /lit/ is not the best place to be asking, and I can't really blame you for not having a good answer since we're not somewhere one would expect a good answer
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>>9487645
honestly anon, that information I gave you IS good and can be used to learn a lot of the deeper stuff if you look in the right places.

Unless you want an in-depth look at the mathematics that really is the best you can find other than googling specific subjects like I said
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>>9487201
>Modern sensibilities and thought processes are showing up in a book that clearly takes place when man is just learning about living in a grouped society.
That sounds like the cringiest shit imaginable.
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>>9481902
>"Soft" leads exclusively to "Space Opera"

Come on, now.
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What's the Shin Megami Tensei of SFF?
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>reading Artemis Fowl
>a device that upscales old black and white movies on cassette tapes from the 50's to full color 4k resolution
This triggers the /g/ in me.
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>>9487645

lol what a fucking faggot, if you are as unbearable as you sound you should have figured it out by now. Google will take you to papers and you can look for that russian pirate site that lets you access research papers if you must. But his suggestion of simply asking people in the know in the internet is better 90% of the time
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>>9487747
>reading a kids fantasy books about elves and shit
>complaining about scientific inaccuracies
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>>9487756
>believing shit you read on the internet is better than just cracking open a made-for-consumption text on the subject
Uh huh, yeah
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Why didn't you read Worm yet?
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>>9487732
some light novel probably
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>Age of Swords (Summer 2017)

soon
Can't wait to read the next one
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>>9487970
i didn't know of it tbqh
is there a physical book version of it?
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>>9488003
Dunno. I wouldn't be surprised if there's something made by fans, it tends to happen for the most popular web works.
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>>9487747
Of all the stupid shit in those books that's what gets to you?
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>>9488022

It's increadibly fucking stupid, you can't just turn a low resolution image/video higher res with it looking better, it will still look the same shit just pixelated, it's literally impossible, even for science fiction
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>>9488029
You're complaining about technological inaccuracies in a children's fantasy book.

>It's incredibly fucking stupid, the Pokémon couldn't possibly fit in that tiny ball!
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>>9488041
The pokemon thing is infinitely more possible than upscaling a low res video and having it look better.
And it's not an inaccuracy it's an impossibility
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How do you rate Conjueror-sama's taste in fantasy?

You might remember him as the guy whose scathing 0/5 review of The Name of the Wind gets posted somehow.
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>>9487054
It doesn't change the fact that they went from a Clint Eastwood type character to a Hollywood action movie hero type with muh diversity. He even shoots with his arm extended, when the books make a point about shooting from the hip like true gunslingers.

Yes the actor is good, but that's beside the point.

And the fact that King approved it is meaningless. Many writers won't hesitate to prostitute their work, and King has had an overdeveloped ego for over a decade. Seeing his name associated to a blockbuster and gaining shekels at the same time outweigh the deception the fans of The Dark Tower will feel which he proved he doesn't give a shit about when he wrote the second part of the book series.
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>>9488049
>underrating Wolfe
>underrating the Bible and treating it as fantasy

Other than that he should read some sword & sorcery.
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>>9488079
If you don't have a problem with him classifying The Iliad and Beowulf as fantasy then I don't know why you would with the Torah. But yeah, putting those two on the level of the Dresden Files is pretty hilarious.
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Who writes Apocalyptic post-fantasy here?

I feel alone.
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>>9487502
Please explain this image you post in every /sffg/, Anon-kun.
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>>9488049
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>>9488045
>downscaling and upscaling live creatures is infinitely more possible than upscaling a low res video
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>>9487639
Go to Google scholar or NCBI then specify or look for review articles, these are mainly just summaries and texts. If you want more specific or recent shit, just gloss over abstracts or introductions.

There's no shame in getting in a "cite-hole", where you just keep delving into the citations of citations forever until you find what you want. I once cited a paper from 1969 and it was a solid source.

Other dude you replied you is right for broader stuff, but for specifics try my method. Also for the love of god take a page out of Watt's book and reference your stuff, and properly. It's always interesting to read the science behind the scifi.
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>>9487662
Where else? Other than to roadside picnic or some of the weird stuff I'm not sure what else. Any good examples? I'll have to read them before I chart them but I'll get round to it I suppose.
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>>9488049
>Harry Potter
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>>9488049
>scathing 0/5 review of The Name of the Wind

Where can i read the review?
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>>9488317
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>>9488319
Kek pretty accurate. I wonder how he can rate Harry Potter 4/5 stars if he thinks that about notw.
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>>9488338
Hard to say. Maybe he read HP at younger age. Maybe HP is easier to forgive cause it doesn't have NotW's self-congratulatory fedora-tipping tone set with Kvothe's "You may have heard of me." speech.
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>>9488347
Or maybe he was judging HP as a children's series.
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>>9488144
You ever saw the inside of a pokeball during kidswb years? It's lined with mirrors. Pokemon are energy beings, the pokeball is just a device that lets you capture and hold energy. When the pokeball touches a monster it causes an effect which converts matter into electrons when capturing, and vice versa when releasing.

The reason why the ball must shake 3 times is because it's syncing, evenly distributing and equafying the energies and frequencies of the monster captured. They break free when the sync is imperfect.

The reason a masterball syncs 100% of the time is because it uses rare mirrors and technology that allows instant distribution of energy captured.
Those two little nubs on top of the ball are extra processing power not found in regular balls. This makes them extremely difficult to make, and absolutely bonkers expensive.
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>>9488000
Trips confirm she is gonna be a slave to elvish cock mating press. All that "strong woman" vibes better only be in book one as an intro.
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>>9488029
>you can't just turn a low resolution image/video higher res with it looking better,
It's possible, you will need a very powerful AI, and it will need to do the movie frame by frame. You aren't just stretching it from 144p to 1080p.
The ai will look at the original then reconstruct it in HD with state of the art cgi, rotoscoping, and all the other tricks a self conscious computer interface has at it's disposal.

Just that the audio wouldn't be able to be fixed though, but with better tech the video can be.
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>>9488472
fucking classic gif, nice
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>>9488501

Nah, blurry text would be practically impossible, facial features not visible on the low res, like small moles or such
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>>9488049
>he too knew Thomas Covenant the unbeliever is shit
Impressive.
Also there is a heroes die that isn't by Abercrombie?
P.s. Also. I read more books than him, I think I can judge if Gilgamesh and LoTR shouldn't be moved to a 1.
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>>9479905
>Science Fiction & Fantasy General
>tfw love scifi but hate fantasy
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>>9488461
Read what you wrote out loud and see if you still think it's more plausible than upscaling.
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>>9488072
I'm glad you saw that the books turned out to be shit and a cop out later on. Why you vex now that the movie is such?

Should I have been pissed when Ender didn't fuck the queen? When his sister didn't rub her cunny to ender?

Should I be vex when they didn't put the self conscious fatty in the Magician series? I wanted to see her fucked (more ways than one).
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>>9488535
Yes there is, and it's meh at most. I'm really surprised to see it with 5 stars on such a short list. The plot is okay, but the characters are each defined by one or two characteristics and I really disliked the prose.
It's a 3 star book, 4 if you like edgy main protags.
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>>9486976

they will have to rewrite the whole thing with Detta Walker

what are they going to do, make her a white racist bipolar woman?
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>>9488099
Read the Great Ordeal to find out hurry! Read all the books so you can meme when TUC comes out in 55 days.
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>>9488570
I think Detta and Eddy are cut from the movie.
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>>9488277
>Also for the love of god take a page out of Watt's book and reference your stuff, and properly.
Actually Watt took a page out of Jonathan Strange's novel.
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>>9488566
You are replying to >>9488072 who is a different anon than >>9486976

I don't know why he's so mad though. I would guess that Anon still has naive hopes that adaptations of books can be both faithful and good and hasn't internalized >>9488072 yet.
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>>9488570
They won't include Detta. They can't put a racist white woman as a main protagonist, and as we all know racist black women don't exist.
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>>9488577
>>9488593


you know they are going to milk the series dry unless the first movie flops, they cant get away with cutting them from the second movie

>>9488575

not that anon, but memes are not enough to sell me on a series six books long, I already have a backlog 30+ books for both fantasy and SF

unless you can really convince me I wont meme on the high road
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>>9488530
The gif in >>9488472 would look like 8k to a fucking ant. All the AI would need to do is to find a way that the "eye" observing the the original video would be able to see in detail.

I never said it was easy, I just said possible, and maybe not in our lifetime. AI's are no way near that level of sophistication atm.
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>>9488543
Then discuss sci-fi? It's not mandatory to discuss both.
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>>9488598
>you know they are going to milk the series dry unless the first movie flops, they cant get away with cutting them from the second movie

Have you seen the trailer? They're butchering the story completely, i don't think they're planning on a continuation.
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>>9488630
I usually enjoy lurking for new books to read more than discussing but i understand we don't have enough people to have two generals.
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>>9488598
Somebody sell this guy on bakker. We need more brothers.
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>>9488634
H-..have you checked me out? >>9488535
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>>9488649

dont torture the poor newfriend with your minefield anon
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>>9488621

Yeah but in the low res there are no details, if it upscaled it properly and somehow with great detail, those original details not visible on the low res would also not be visible on the high res because the AI literally wouldn't be able to see even 1 pixel of it on the low res, and couldn't possibly predict it would be there
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>>9488649
I'm only familiar with The Shadow of the Torturer which i thought was excellent and Ringworld. Also i remember dropping Red Rising a while ago because it felt like young adult trash.

I prefer sci-fi that focuses and speculates in ideas (AIs, time travel, space exploration, human condition...) more than space operas that focus on characters and plot. Any books from that list you could filter by that?
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>>9488583
they're made up. Watts' are real.
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>>9488748
>Also i remember dropping Red Rising a while ago because it felt like young adult trash.
Get past part 1. Part 1 is the worst part of all three books. Get to Golden Son at least.
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How long after physical release do Kindle editions usually come? The last Fitz and the Fool book came out yesterday and I want to read it, but it usually takes 3-5 weeks for Amazon to deliver in my area.
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>>9488049
Come on, surely the writing in NotW is pretty meh to the point where the translation flowed better but the plot is there
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It's 5 months into 2017 and there hasn't been a new Forgotten Realms novel. Did they cancel them all? Last two released were in October 2016 and their finished each of their series.
Should I be happy that it's finally over?
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>>9488748
You should really give red rising another try. Please, push past until Darrow dies after they string up his wife. If you read past that and still want to skip, then go ahead. But give us the benefit of the doubt and read to that part.

As with your other question with AIs and speculation, try Undying Mercenaries by BV Larson and the Agent Cormac series by Neal Asher (start with Shadow of the scorpion). You can also try Quantum thief and altered carbon.
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I'm just over halfway through Ursula Le Guin's The Disposessed, the third book I have read by the author. Le Guin's prose is as good as ever, with some memorable paragraphs, and the worldbuilding is impressive. However, I can't help feeling the characters need more oopmh, and PKD's critique of her work remains the back of my mind. Still, it's an above par read after halfway.

If somebody hasn't already done so, there is a comparative article/essay on Philip K Dick and Ursula Le Guin to be written. Here we have two contemporaries who are like yin and yang. As I see it, Le Guin is the better worldbuilder, the better prose stylist, and her work is bigger in scale. Philip K Dick falls short of her strengths, but he writes better characters and his scope is more inward and psychological. It's a bit like a Tolstoy/Dostoevsky dichotomy.
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>>9488674
Same shit was said when people proposed that you can run an engine with water "not possible".
Let's just see what the future holds.
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>>9488757
In that using sources in a fucking fantasy novel. It isn't different if he uses real sources for his science fantasy.
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>>9489106
>PKD's critique of her work remains the back of my mind.
Why do you sad faggots do this? You research a person before you read their book. You look up their politics, their marriage, their jokes, etc. Then you go and read their work. Most works are devoid of the fucking author. You scum piss me off because you then come in here crying that you "didn't enjoy it because the author supported this" and it was always in the back of "my mind"

Should I not read any of the Greeks' books because they were all gay pedophiles? I found this out before reading.
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>>9488277
I don't know about in-text citations, but a bibliography is nice
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>>9489066
It gets better, but it is simply still young adult.
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>>9489141
>Most works are devoid of the fucking author

That's where you're wrong kiddo, especially with somebody like Ursula Le Guin, daughter of anthropologists, product of Berkeley. I like to know a little about an author before I read their books because it helps me to catch cultural allusions, references, and generally be aware of authorial intent. I enjoy Le Guin by the way, and I'm not against reading an author whose politics or personal life differ/are abhorrent either. But I would argue that having a biographical context helps enormously with the appreciation of a work. As for the Greeks, read them anyway, Homer's Odyssey and Heraclitus' fragments can inform SF+F.
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>>9489111

How could an AI possibly deduce or predict something from nothing?
"h___y", how would the AI know which 3 letters would go into it? now imagine that except make it 256 letters and for a million different words.
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>>9489233
That's a really shitty example, you're literally teaching a computer to do exactly what you're talking about every time you solve a captcha. Hell, 4chan is why Google started moving to image based captchas for sites like this, because we were teaching their algorithm that every word it couldn't figure out was "nigger".
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>>9489233
Iterations. Make it try every combination and save actual words by comparing the results to a dictionary or whatever. If quantum meme computers ever come out it wouldn't even take long.
Obviously there would be anomalies especially on sentences, but you could work those out over time. Even current "AIs" learn from their mistakes.
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>>9488277
As I said, im not really a hard scifi writer, or even soft scifi. My work is more science fantasy, though I make an effort to meticulously research the science and keep it consistent and accurate where I can.
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>>9489208
>kiddo
You gotta be at least 45 to be calling me that, pops.

>I like to know a little about an author before I read their books because it helps me to catch cultural allusions, references, and generally be aware of authorial intent.
Have you ever thought that maybe, MAYBE, sometimes those "cultural allusions" that you "catch" are what you projected onto the work? Maybe because, I don't know, maybe because hou read the author was a Christian, and you are pointing out Jesus in every shadow?(Just an example, not talking about Guin.)

How much of Le Guin's work you thought was her shoving feminism into the readers' faces, after you found out she was a feminist?
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>>9489255
Except I have actually studied AI and how it works, you literally can't teach it to predict something out of nothing, if anything it would give some random answer.
You don't have enough details in low res to extrapolate what it would exactly be like in full hd
>>9489262
Of course, but say it was written in a way that the 3 middle letters were completely indecipherable, how would it ever know which letters it would be? Sure it can run iterations and get a list of possible words, but how the hell would it choose? Randomly?
Now that is when it recgonizes that it's a word in the first place, what about a drawing? The drawing would be smaller and not in any detail, imagine trying to get the full details of mona lisa from a 144p source (just an example, it could be some original work the AI hasn't been taught to recognize), how would it fill in the pixels?
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>>9489233
AI and computation in general is built around interpolation. It's extrapolation they suck at, and even then with enough contextual information and iterations they can get more or less correct answers.
Consider all those shitty chatbots- yeah their answers do not line up correctly enough to be convincing, but they can more or less respond to conversations that have been brought up enough times
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>>9489233
>>9489282
>H _ _ _ Y
The limiting factor wouldn't be the AIs intelligence, but you anon.
To make an accurate guess at the three letters, the AI would need a full psychoanalysis on you, the books you've read, your vocabulary, probably your genome etc etc
All kinds of seemingly useless knowledge a sufficiently complex intelligence would be able to interpret. .
With enough info the AI could make a guess, not accurate but a guess, at the three letters.

Was it happy?
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>>9488319
>people actually think this is good criticism
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>>9489311

Harpy.
Okay, this picture will explain what I'm trying to get across, the AI would never EVER be able to create the shit in the middle because there's no information about it
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Have all you guys bitching about the dark tower movie not realized it's not supposed to be an adaptation, and is instead the next cycle of Roland's quest for the tower? King, the director, the producers, everyone involved has said so.
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>>9489282
>how do people get dna from bones millions of years old
>they couldn't possibly get something so delicate after all those millenniums
>their just isn't enough tissue
You do know a lot of things we take for granted today was thought impossible by fathers of ole'?

Look at >>9488472 It's reasonably hq for such a small size. I'm not talking about degraded shit that has been converted to hell and back. If I took 1080p source from bluray and converted it to 144p, it would look great compared to a source from 360p.

What I'm proposing is using highend original source. If it was shot in 240p @20fps in 2003 and there was no further degradation of the source, this future AI would be able to upscale the video by means of frame by frame reconstruction. We aren't converting shit from the source. Look at video manipulation technologies of now. In the future this would be even more unbelievable. Why is it so hard for you to believe that an ainin the future (decades) would be able to successfully upscale video?

We can't breathe in space, yet we put a man on the moon. It was thought impossible, but it was done. Unless you are one of those that call the moon landing fake. in that case, they sure upscaled that set to make it look like they were on the moon.
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>>9489333
There is information.
Your example from Autism Fowl is a fair critique as cameras were in their infancy, but imagine an AI having to do the same now.
If for instance an AI tried to reconstruct a poorly taken photo now, it would have massive amounts of resources available to it. Google Earth, Instagram, everyone's iPhone photos on the cloud. As long as the photo is somewhere fairly public, a full reconstruction could be possible.
And you're forgetting, AI would be able to go off seemingly unrelated things like architecture, fashion, photos of different locations just in similar styles, etc etc etc
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>>9489282
>how the hell would it choose?
It could start with common words. There's more information it could have sentence structure for example.
It really comes down to how much information it can get, at some point it'd start making errors everywhere. It could start guessing at that point. Say, making ten thousand different images and match the most likely ones, let humans vote from top 10 by something similar to captchas or something like that.

>>9489333
Even on something like this it should have the information that black(ish) pixels should more likely appear near the line and not on the edge.
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>come in general
>people arguing about upscaling video
>check source
>some sperg bitching about artemis fowl
At least it's interesting. I'm on the side that the future always finds a way. Maybe in the future time travel exists for small objects.
>send grain of sand 20kp floating camera, with 500 zillion exobyte storage back in time
>camera tracks the crew and does it's own films
>go back in future
>computer adds better more believable cgi to the movie
>shit like green lantern and a bunch of current flols become mega billion dollar movies in the future.
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>>9481902
A pile of worms is more coherent than this chart.
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>>9489270
Well, I've read The Left Hand Of Darkness after being aware of its label as a work of feminist science fiction. It didn't put me off, I think it's a great work with some nifty worldbuilding, and it was interesting to think about the contrasting cultures she was depicting. Interestingly, I was baffled by the feminist label - the work was far less didactic than I expected. I don't especially think Le Guin is a demagogue and this is to her credit.

You take issue with people interpreting and enjoying a text by biographical context, while I say this is an acceptable thing to do. Of course there are different approaches to a text. It sounds like you prefer judging a text purely on its own merit, without consideration for biography, perhaps with more of a focus on language and literary devices. Some people approach a text completely passively for entertainment, too. Who is to say which approach is better? I like to combine as many as I can. I rarely approach something with an iron prejudice against it anyhow.

As for my mentioning PKD's critique of Ursula Le Guin, I was also aware this is very likely sour grapes on his part. The Disposessed beat his Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said to a Hugo, Nebula, and Locus award.
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>>9489075
I assume you can get it now. I've already read an epub of it.
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>>9487515
Don't tell me that, anon..

I was so hyped for this series and i hate the feminist bullshit, fuck..
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>>9487515

>they invented pockets

>still use tight pants with no pockets
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Can I just say how much I'm enjoying the effort you're all putting into this argument about pokemon and imaginary computers. Keep up the good work, anons.
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>>9487163
Read The Riyria Chronicles or Riyria Revelations series instead. (Ignore the tacky book covers)

https://www.goodreads.com/series/110612-riyria
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What's something good.
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>>9489834
Book of the New Sun
Blindsight
Malazan
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>>9489834
Name of the Wind
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>>9489834

campy good, well written good or classic good?
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People really need to stop shitting on Sanderson
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I've been reading way too much Grum lately, and while I want to find someone new I still want it in the realm of fantasy. Anyone got some series recommendations with good vocabulistics?
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>>9489856
Only three books you need to post in this general.

Hell, it should be the fucking entry exam.
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>>9489792
I like how the author commented on the site and left his email. It's always nice to see them reach out to fans. That impressed me enough to pique my interest in the series
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>>9487970
this review is mildly triggering but also pretty on point. Worm is fantastic, definitely more than 3.5/5 desu. Also, its completely fucking free, no idea why more people havn't read it. It BTFOs all capeshit to date.
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>>9488748
Red Rising is YA desu, but its still comfy. you might like Hyperion
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>>9490279
60
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why do you retards like Leguin? She literally has no characters or magic system. Its just dude generic fantasy shit is happening for no reason.
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>>9490279

70.
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>>9490315
>magic system
That isn't a good thing to have.
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>>9490327
wrong
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I'm just getting into the Malazan series and I'm curious about the way mages, witches, alchemists, and sorcerers all seem to use the same magic. Are those terms as interchangeable as they appear in the books or do they develop their own magic systems as the series progresses?
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>>9490311
>>9490317
>failed 4th grade math
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>>9490367
There's a few different types of magic that are fleshed out to varying degrees. There's more primitive types that involve using spirits and ghosts, and the most common use of Warren to channel the natural energy of other universes, along with all sorts of minor Shamanism and all that.
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>>9480172
>>9480194

One of my favorite things to rage about Rothfuss is how he always talks down to people about how they need better female characters and not be misogynists when his female characters are the most one-dimensional, cardboard-cutouts that lust after his power-fantasy MC's cock constantly.

He is the worst, even if a few things he has made can be enjoyed on some levels.
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What are some series that take place in far future earth with people living a medieval lifestyle and occasionally finding ruins to live in or artifacts to use?

Broken Empire type setting
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>>9490367
Those terms are not really interchangeable. Well, sorcerer and mage are, but witch/warlock are a different thing, and so are alchemists. He never sits down and gives you a concrete chart with discrete definitions for anything, you just gradually pick up on the differences between these types of magic users throughout the series (and there are also more types than those ones you listed). The magic in Malazan is something you're not expected to get right away, but he reveals more and more information about how it works as the series goes.

The gist of it is that mages/wizards/sorcerers are terms for people who access the warrens. Priests also do this, but in addition are sworn to one particular god/ascendant and become a kind of vessel for them at will. Witches and Warlocks don't really use warrens, their magic is older, predating their very existence. They commune with nature and earth spirits, work hexes and curses on people that have to do with invoking local deities and such. And then you also have shamans and shoulder men/women who mostly deal with ancestral spirits and tribal gods.
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>>9481991
>>9482005
>>9482029
Player of Games is pretty fantastic entry level stuff for the series as well.
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>>9490279
16
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>>9482859
Illuminatus! is fantastic, maybe look into a lot of the things it references as well. Got my copy of Principia Discordia sitting next to me.

Also agree with >>9482933 The Revelation Space universe is amazing and well thought out.
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>>9490417
Wheel of Time
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>>9490417
Red Sister. At least that's how I interpret it little over half-way in.
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>>9489834
Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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>>9490452
Absolutely love JS&MN.

If you haven't seen it, the BBC television adaptation was top-tier as well.
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>>9490437
It's actually a far future colony seeded by humans millennia ago, but the dying star around which the planet revolves has caused rapid glaciation that reduced the people living there to inhabiting only a narrow strip called the Corridor which girdles the planet's equator. The Corridor would have also frozen over by now if not for a man-made satellite put into orbit thousands of years ago that they call the Focus Moon, or just the Focus, that is basically just a giant lens that captures and amplifies the dying star's light into a immense beam that melts off the encroaching ice from the Corridor every evening.
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>>9490501
Yes, so much is already obvious, especially with the mentions of shiphearts etc.
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>>9490317
>>9490428
wrong, 1 paw appears only in the last equation, you can't find a numerical answer in that set of equations
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>>9490436
Technically correct.
Everything still ran on "mu true source not magic" though.
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>>9490548
That is if you apply the idea that every "cat illustration" represents a different variable. Wich if it was the entire thing would be unsolvable.

The only way to solve it is to deduce that the two cat paws are each one variable, meaning that one cat paw and another catpaw together is 2 times the normal variable value of 1 cat paw. And not simply it being that the 2 catpaw illustration is X but instead being 2X.
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>>9490576

aa=a*a=a^2, not 2a, that would be a+a
And it makes no fucking sense to write it in that way (aa), even then the images shouldn't be fucking overlapping, so it's not even aa, which means it must be 2 different variables
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>>9490555
No, there's 3 ages described in the series. The one it takes place in, the ages of Legends, which you're referring to, and the age before the age of Legends. There's a few low key gags in the books about it, such as characters contemplating the mystical meanings of the hood ornament from a Mercedes.
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>>9490311
>>9490317
>>9490428
It's 15 you idiots.

>there's only one paw in the last line
>multiplication is performed before addition
5 + 1x10 = 5 + 10 = 15
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>>9490311
>>9490317
>>9490428
>>9490548
>>9490576
>>9490581
>>9490677
>tfw they fell for it
>>9490279
Well anon, you've snared all the autists in this thread. What you gonna do with 'em?
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>>9490417

Broken Empire
Land Fit For Heroes
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>>9490501
why colonise in a system with a shitty star?
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>>9490677
BODMAS Fagget
Its (5+1) x (10) = 60
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>>9490993
>>9490993
>>9490993
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>>9490942
Yes,
(5+1)x10 = 60
and
5+1x10 = 15
This is the latter. Nowhere does BODMAS say that you can pull some brackets out of your ass.
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>>9490863
Who knows?
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>>9490942
Notice how there's no parentheses in the expression as it was written? It's 5+1x10=X. Multiplication always takes precedence over addition, so it's 15.
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>>9490677
>>there's only one paw in the last line

Too bad that one paw only appears once in all of the equations total so you literally can't calculate the numerical value
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