/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

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>>9519916

If you really want to read a bunch of words written by Kevin J. Anderson then go ahead, it will most likely get you your Epic Fantasy IN SPACE fix and you might have some new books to shill to us because I don't think anyone else here has actually read them. But you should probably just start reading books off of this chart and then tell us which ones you like.

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first for books about
>dark souls

>>9520213
This is actually a damn good chart. Though I would have worked Embassytown in on the last row somewhere.

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I see there are a lot of fresh users in these threads... So time to shill my chart

Started Perdido Street Station, enjoying it so far but does anyone else think China is a less cringe Terry Pratchett?

>>9520188
>It's another Steve OP episode

>>9520188

Any military sci-fi suggestions?

>>9520473

Now thats a minefield if I say so myself

How can I write something you people actually enjoy? I mean, you guys love to shit on Rothfuss, ignore the existence of Martin, and can't admit liking Sanderson without being self-deprecating about it. Seriously, I've read them all and they're nowhere near as bad as you guys make them out to be. I actually enjoyed them. Even Kingkiller. Sure, each author has his own flaws (Sanderson's dialogue, Rothfuss' inability to have an actual plot, Martin's excessive reliance on shock value, etc.), but they're all still entertaining storytellers. It's like you guys are asking perfection from these guys.

>>9520610
Shitting on things other people enjoy is how bitter lonely people feel good about themselves.

>>9520610
Those are just some current year meme authors. You have decades worth of good books to choose from...

What's that book series with lots of GRI written by a woman? Dark pearl or black rose or something? Maybe her name started with P?

Has anyone read the original Conan stories by Howard? I just ordered the 3 book anthology and not sure if i fugged up

>>9520610
Most of us enjoy all those things.
/lit/ is not some ultimate space for geniouses to discuss literature. The fags here are the same fags that go to reddit and youtube and everywhere else.

It's a loud autistic lonly bitter minority that makes memes to shit on everything in order to feel superior.
Other lonely fags start copying the memes to feel like part of the group and at some point after spouting memes for months they become the perceived "identity" of the board or the general.

Most people here enjoy a variety of books and genres. The way you can write something that some of us here enjoy is by writing for yourself.

Since you are one of "us" there is a very high chance that at least a great many people might like it.

Unless your writing is shit, but even then maybe some people will like your books for the ideas.

>>9520645


black jewels

Recommend me books based on these songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pICAha0nsb0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpxtuUQ28UM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHjFIwbvzo8

>>9520691
Thanks.

TUC when

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>>9520693

>>9520406
That's not a bad suggestion actually, I could use another Humans Interact With Aliens novel.

I consider transhumanism to be a defining concept of the "New Millennium" but there there are already 3 books with those themes on there (plus Fire Upon the Deep).

I'm also a little conflicted about Fountains of Paradise; I think it's better than e.g. Rama or 2001 but it's not as typical of Clarke's style.

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Hey /sffg/, what are some good books with an element of cosmic horror? Lovecraft goes without saying, but surely there are others worth reading that have elements of cosmic horror.

>>9520483
There are similarities, but ultimately I think they are quite different authors. Mieville shares a taste for the whimsical, but it runs more towards the grotesque than Pratchett, for instance.

Also, you say "Pratchett without the cringe" like it's a bad thing.

>>9520646
Most people enjoy them. They have aged surprisingly well.

Don't feel compelled to read them all at once.

>>9520884
I'm a fan of The Night Land personally, but it's written in an absolutely atrocious prose style. Consider John C. Wright's Awake In The Night Land as a more readable look into that world.

Many of Cordwainer Smith's stories involve horror at the vast depths of space. Scanners Live In Vain is a classic. The Rediscovery of Man anthology is worth reading at any rate.

Thomas Ligotti is considered by many the living master of cosmic horror, although I'm not familiar enough to make good recommendations -- maybe start with Teatro Grottesco. He's known for being unrelentingly nihilistic.

tfw you spend half of a fantasy book trying to work out if the author's actually doing some far future gimmick or not

>>9520917
If you are for whatever reason suspecting that it's usually for a good reason and ends up being true, in my experience.

>>9520547
What type do you want?

Space battles? Honor Harrington up until about book 9 or so. The Lost Fleet series. The Thrawn books.

Land combat? David Drake's Hammer's Slammers is probably the best IMO. A Small Colonial War by Robert Frezza. Gaunt's Ghosts.

A political theme? Starship Troopers and The Forever War are the traditional recommendations.

Bug hunts? Lazarus War series, The IX.

Hooah space marines? Old Man's War, Ian Douglas, the StarFist series, Linda Nagata's The Red.

Comedy? Mechanical Failure by Joe Zieja. Phule's Company by Robert Asprin. Ciaphas Cain.

More of a adventure/space opera with a military theme? Ninefox Gambit, the Spiral Wars series by Joel Shepherd, the first Ancillary Justice book. I think maybe some of Niel Asher's stuff falls here but I've never read him.

>>9520933
In a lot of recent books it's largely irrelevant though

Just a setting change and little else

>>9520950
Oh, forgot for space battles: Vatta's War, and the Dread Empire's Fall.

What books are the same sci fi genre as cowboy bepop

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>>9520577
It has a little bit of everything. All being books I read and vouch for. Making charts takes hours, and I don't have the patience, ocd, or autism to put in all that time.

Pic related is what I was aiming at, this is also incomplete.

>>9520473
I still remember the day when you faggots tricked me into reading the prince of thorns. God i fucking hate this board. Kill yourself anon

>>9520668
Huh. Thanks anon, I legit needed to read this. I'm was stumped writing the climax of my book and I just finished a chapter. I worked myself up to an anxious state of mind and it paralyzed me without me noticing it.

Is Drew Karpshyn good

>>9520917
Mark Lawrence is the worst for this

He starts off subtle and then just flat out goes "yeah that's a nuke" or "yeah that's a giant magnifying glass satellite " in each of his settings

>>9520526
Where?

>>9520973
Chart autist's okay once you realise that he likes hyper edgy stuff and just ignore anything that fts that description

>>9520987
Is that cargo cult Wolfe or is there some other reason

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>British sf is dea-

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>>9520978
>up boat me plz
>i afk f
man

>>9520987
>He starts off subtle

>Literally a fucking AI machine in the first book
Also which of his books had a nuke?

>>9521061
The first one

>>9521062

the prince of thorns didn't have a nuke

>>9520610
>Sanderson's dialogue
I love his dialogue though desu... Though I guess I don't write myself and seem to love everything with some momentum to it with plot holes I don't notice as long as it is fantasy. The way Sazed always talks, to me at least, is amazing.

anyone here read & like jackson writes stuff off of reddit? casual reader here, just woundering what you guys think?

>>9521066

oh fuck me i'm retarded, i just remembered

>>9521061
By subtle I mean that it starts off just sounding like weird fantasy, with hook briar sounding a bit like a fantasy plant until you realise it's barbed wire

Then after about 50 pages any ambiguity goes flying out of the window.

>>9521082
>with hook briar sounding a bit like a fantasy plant until you realise it's barbed wire

Holy shit I never realized that

>>9521066
Yes it did lil nigga

>>9521088
>>9521076

Yeah, but why the fuck would they think barbed wire was a plant? You could just pick it up

>>9521084
Ya. The long ass roads is what gave it away for me. When he started talking about pourable stone. Man i hated that book

>>9521092
>tfw to low iq to notice things like that

>>9521091
Mark lawrence is a fucking tard

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>>9521102
Hold on

>>9520213
>Dangerous Visions on the low end

>>9521091
...have you never seen big abandoned spools of barbed wire in industrial areas?

It's very similar to nettle bushes

>>9520668
>everyone who shits on The Name of the Wind is a miserable loser
Patrick finish your third book or die of poz already.

>>9520884
Awake in the Night Land

>>9520610
I've personally never read any Sanderson, though one of his influences is Robert Jordan and I know I don't like his writing. I love Martin, probably my favorite writer, though he has his flaws. Rothfuss I despise in every way. Rothfuss doesn't understand characters, doesn't know how to write a good plot, and utterly fails at prose. I know people say it's poetic, but its not really. IMO prose should either be beautifully crafted or else so-called windowpane prose. Beautifully crafted prose is much harder to do right than windowpane prose, and with Rothfuss it's clear that he is an amateur trying to be poetic and failing.

Anyway, this site, or at least the boards I frequent, tend towards the negative. It's easier for me to see what I don't like in Rothfuss than it is to pinpoint why I love Abercrombie or The Black Company. There are boards /mlp/ on here where anons pretend to hate what they really love, just for the (you)s. In short, don't ask weird contrarian assholes for real opinions. I might think Rothfuss is a hack who should have never made it past an editor, or landed an agent, or a publishing deal, but the man made millions, so what the fuck do I know?

>>9520991
I give it to him, he managed to do it subtly this time, and it's in the OP's picture

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>>9521006
british sf is dying painfully but that was a damn good book

>>9520910
Ligotti will literally ruin your life

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>>9520188
>>9520188
>I Want the Ideas, Fuck the Characters and the Plot
Yeeais

>>9520610

Sanderson is a good but highly affected by his Mormonism. GRRM is fine, I don't like it but it is fine.

Rothfuss.. don't put him in the same category as Sanderson who is middling (as far as professionals go)

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>>9520473
>lots of mediocre authors & meme series
>no robin hobb

Shit chart.

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For todays Fafhrd and Gray Mouser story I read The Howling Tower from 1941. The story begins with the pair encamped in front of a dying fire a far-flung location, when they hear a peculiar howling sound like wolves. Their fearful guide informs them that the howling is rumored to be from an old tower across the grasslands. He disappears the next morning.

There is a touch of Weird Tales and the gothic about this story like early HP Lovecraft. It's a tale of rescue, a long journey of foreboding through a barren plain, and an encounter with a grisly family history.

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>>9521006
Long time no see anon.
Were you also the same anon that recommended Buried Giant around these parts?

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>>9521070
>off of reddit
Where do you think you are?

>>9521505
>read most of them years before sffg became a thing
>told in 2010 when I joined lit to stay away from hobb
>private tracker forum told me to stay away from hobb
Go neck yourself faggit

>>9521842
Whoever told you to stay away from Hobb is a retard.
>listening to what neckbeards tell you
Neck yourself first faggot.

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Reading these again. Only just realised that H in Redemption Ark is Sky Hausmann from Chasm City.

>>9521853
>womeme
>defending
Reddite needs to be purged from these hallowed halls

>>9521889
>most of the chart is pleb tier
>reads shit like brent weeks gayman sapkowski grrm anne bishop etc
>thinks he has the high ground

Robin Hobb is better than/equal to all of them.
Only autistic virgin spastics don't like her.

>>9521902
>Only autistic virgin spastics don't like her.
Or anyone who read her books outside of fitz and liveship

Because those are objectively shit

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>>9521912
Who cares about her books outside of Fitz & the Liveships?

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>tfw based Peter Watts will never post here but does QAs on reddit.

>>9521864
Chasm city was easily the best

>>9521942
Pete's got nothing to say here. We're just another group of fans.

>>9520610
>How can I write something you people actually enjoy?

Start with the Greeks.

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>>9522157
>that middle image

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>>9522196

>>9521067
>Sazed
One of the worst characters I've ever read. Cringed especially hard at his emo monologues.

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Question: After having some fantasy under your belt, what do you expect in terms of new developments?

Is the rage all about taking the tired and proven not-medieval-europe and spinning something new out of it?
Is it deconstructing the whole "dude what if magic was real lmao" but with low-level magic so it doesn't utterly break everything (or advance things to the atomic age in like two weeks)?
Maybe focus on the peripherals in both terms of culture and philosophy (notvikings, notarabs, notturks, etc)
Or is all of these just a vehicle and the meat will always be character interactions and political intrigue?

>>9521902
>her

>Womameme author
>Ever good

>>9522249
>>9522249
Le Guin & Robin Hobb are both good.

>>9522247
I expect the wave of GRRM imitators to continue until the show ends, then some TV network or another to adapt Way of Kings, causing a bunch of Sanderson imitators to spring into existence, and the entire genre to devolve to the point it becomes indistinguishable from the Japanese Light Novel market.

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>>9522205
Hey recognize that space station, it is from Privateer

>>9520188
Karsa. MOTHERFUCKING. ORLONG

Has there ever been a more based character?

>>9521902
I am not >>9521889
If you haven't noticed I read a lot of female authors.

>>9521864
I like your room cosmere-kun :3

>>9521927
Hey "Roman economy was not dependant on the slave trade, unless you consider plebs to be slaves."-anon.
I now know anyone who autisticly defends Hobb is you. Just outed yourself.

Is there such a thing as nautical scifi?

Only example I can think of is Katya's war

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>>9522301
whipped this one up fresh

>>9522380
Rifters trilogy, by Peter Watts. First one is the only real nautical one though.

>>9521454

And by this i mean it would be an insult to sanderson. Rothfuss is fucking awful and ive read the books. Holy shit his characters make zero fucking sense and there is no coherent plot or story.

>>9522157
>reading about an author's bio before reading the work
>letting the fucking author's life influence how you approach their work
I see you backward hobby has caught up to you.

>>9522380
Ehhh... there's a fair bit of sailing in Consider Phlebas.
I thought of Mieville's The Scar too but that's not really sci fi I guess.

>>9522205
Pohl always has advertising in his books...

>>9522396
>Ehhh... there's a fair bit of sailing in Consider Phlebas.
Well it is literally just Gulliver's Travels in space

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>>9522247
Can you stop asking the same questions different ways multiple times a thread, every thread?

THEY STILL HAVEN'T READ MALAZAN.

>>9522414
Can't commit to 10 doorstoppers when there's so many other books that i want to read first.

>>9522362
I did think it was a bit odd, you should read Hobb though.

>>9522378
Pardon?

>>9522444
>Pardon?
'ees a bit paranoid. Prolly imagines a connection between yer post image an that of another anon thread or two back. Tiny equines on the brain ah reckon.

>>9522473
Humans do like to see patterns.

>>9522444
>you should read Hobb though
Since this general started 2 years ago:
>I see people that like books that I like, hating on Hobb
>I also see people that hate books that I like loving Hobb
Who do (you) think I'm gonna believe? I ain't got time to waste reading for fuck all. If it's the same author I'm thinking of, the protag is an assassin that doesn't assassinate anyone...
You want to call Night Angel edgy and wannabe-grimdark but it's entertaining. I don't want to read about some fag moping around and not killing when he is titled "assassin".

I would rather read that shill's "the meme itself" than read Hobb.

>>9522427
They ain't getting any shorter no matter how long you procrastinate.

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Anything Celtic flavored?

>>9522610
Aint falling for this bait.

>>9522627
a transcript of louis c.k.'s stand up routine

>>9522637
>Louis Székely
>raised in Mexico
yeah, no

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Just finished this. What did I think about it?

>>9522247
What I'd like is traditional adventure story with a MC who has a slow power creep. Shepherd to soldier to savior, so to speak. Set in a gritty,harsh world but minus the pessimistic tone.

>>9522702
You're the one who fucking read it not me

>>9522702
Enjoyable enough but by no means high quality.

>>9522707
Reminds me of a book I wrote when I was younger, though it was more of a power rollercoaster with the protag eventually ending at a high point.

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>>9522710

>>9522702
You thought it was okay, could have been better. It didn't scratch that persistent itch that drives your need for books. You yearn for something strong enough to elicit an unmistakable emotional response.

>>9522702
>Neil Redditman

>>9522725
Rework it and get it published since there's an audience for it. I have a feeling fantasy is going to cycle back to its classical roots.

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Any opinions on the Well World series before I pick it up? Weird mix of Sci-fi and fantasy. I've seen reviews on amazon with parents handing down this series to their teenage kids but /d/ says there is plenty of sexual weirdness.

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>>9522627
>Anything Celtic
The Song of Albion trilogy by Stephen R. Lawhead

https://www.goodreads.com/series/53471-the-song-of-albion

>>9522380
David Brin's Uplift stuff. First one is about diving into the sun (haha), but the second one is really actually about underwater, with dolphins and shit.

>>9520959
Would like to know more about this as well. Something with bounty hunters or mercenaries.

>>9522750
I thought it was okay. The premise is fun.

How do you feel about transformation and reverse-rape bestiality?

>>9522913
>Well World
what kind of tf?

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>>9522947
Anyone finding themselves transported to the well-world gets transformed into a random alien.
...and the MC becomes a stag for a while.

>>9522913

>reverse-rape bestiality

how does that work exactly?

>>9522984
Spoiler time.
The MC consistently avoids the advances of centaur woman. At one point his consciousness gets transferred to a stag's body (shares it with the stag). He needs to travel somewhere to get this fixed, but can't entirely control the stag (loses track of what he's doing and wanders off to do stag things) to the point that they keep him tethered at night. Centaur woman volunteers to travel with him and protect him from himself. Immediately takes advantage of the situation by seducing him in this state of degraded mental ability.
Sounds like rape to me.

>>9522301

wher can I get that dune game I'll play a rom

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I had little else to do so I read another of Leiber's Fafhrd and Gray Mouser short stories, 'The Sunken 'Land' from 1942. I'm glad I did because this is a rollicking seafaring adventure and horror narrative. After finding an ancient key, Fafhrd falls overboard his sloop, and finds himself in the company of a Northmen sea raiding party heading for a rumored sunken city. There are more than a few Lovecraftian flourishes; eery wall carvings, phosphorescent walls, and unsettling sea creatures shifting in the shadows. The depiction of a ship wrestling with stormy seas also beats any I've read from William Hodgson. Best of all, Leiber has captured vividly the feeling of being swept along with viking-esque sea raid.

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Does reading order matter for the Culture books?

Reading Stand on Zanzibar atm

It's some good shit

>>9523065
A little. Some characters carry over or are referenced. I'd read them in the order they were written.

>>9520188
You want an idea? Here's the premise of my Sci-fi novel
>Humans trade a dying and unsustainable earth to aliens for a place on their ark and the promise of continued safety. the aliens then harvest and destroy Earth for raw materials

>>9523276
If humans traded the earth and it was dying and unsustainable i don't see the problem.

>>9523276
How is that a premise? I don't see how the story continues after that last sentence.

Made a thread, probably shouldve posted here

After Dune, where to? Discworld or whatever?

>>9523350
Discworld is nice to visit in between other books. I'm not opposed to reading them exclusively until you're done with the series (I've done that once before) but I think it's better to treat them like a palette cleanser. Or just pick a few of the better book and indulge in a sampler.

>>9522702
Short and sweet. Gaiman is great at creating a picture in your head with few words

>>9523359
is there another long novel like dune that I can munch on and be satisfied the entire time? Trying to bust through brothers karamazov but im having a hard time with 5-page-long paragraphs

>>9523365
The Foundation series?

>>9521842
>talking to anyone on a private tracker forum
Retard

I don't fucking get it how some of you like Sanderson's writing. He is literally fanfiction-tier. I've actually read fanfiction better than his works.

I tried so hard to read Way of Kings but it was just terrible. The same with Wheel of Time ending written by our mormon man. I suffered through WoT's later books, only to lose all motivation to read because Sanderson's writing was so terrible. Never even finished the series.

So how can you people even like his books? Is it the lore?

>>9523404
No one here likes him unironically, you should ask reddit.

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how do I stop myself from reading without comprehending whats really going on?
doesn't help either that the book i'm reading has so many obscure references to places and characters and also makes up new words without explaining much

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>>9520973
I can't believe how many times I've fell for troll recommendations in theses threads, pic fucking related.

>>9523465
You're reading to much to fast, slow down and spend a couple of minutes after each chapter writing a small summary or opinion piece.

>>9523465
read easier books, desu. reading is good for thinking, just make sure you can skim without losing it

>>9520973
I was tricked into Prince of Thorns but realized the ruse in the first 50 pages and dropped it at lightning speed.

>>9523467
Sucks to be you, I love everything from Jemisin's prose to the cute loli headpatting and broken bones desu.

>>9522702
Reads like a novelization of a comic, recycled tropes and dry dialogue included.

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And the Nonman King cried words that sting: "Now to me you must confess,For death above you hovers!"
And the Emissary answered ever wary:"We are the race of flesh,
We are the race of 47 days until The Unholy Consult"

>>9522631
What bait?
Multiple people said Hobb was shit. I'm not trusting you because she is your fav.
You shitted on Black Jewels and Night Angel too, so I am not trusting you.

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>>9523529
Shitting on Night Angel is a reason TO trust someone, though.

>>9523529
Actually I didn't particularly shit on anything.
"Reads shit like" doesn't mean that everything listed is shit. 'Shit' in this context can be considered to mean 'stuff'.
I actually own books from the authors that I listed, which is why I know that they're either worse than or of comparable quality to Robin Hobbs main work.
I never said that Robin Hobb is my favourite author and nor is this thread full of people who hate her, just you and maybe one other guy.

>>9523054
you can literally play it online for free nowadays:
https://epicport.com/en/dune2

>>9523065
hardly

>>9522627
The Rigante series by Gemmell and the Warlord Chronicles by Cornwell.

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So I actually read these.
In Amulet of Power, Laura reads just like a 90's video game character. Boisterous and confident, she lost no opportunity to verbally remind other characters that she didn't need no man (this grew tiresome). Plot felt very similar to the first Mummy movie. The twist was painfully obvious. No Tombs were raided :( I didn't much care for this one.
In The Lost Cult, Laura was far more relatable. She let her competency speak for itself and even had feelings for a guy (the wrong guy). Featured a tragic anti-laura femme and her lovesick paramour, an extreme rock climber with experimental prosthetic arms (lost them in a recent accident). This was a Cthulhu plot and the twists weren't telegraphed so hard as the first one. A tomb actually got raided! I enjoyed this one.
In The Man of Bronze we get another narrative style. Basically she narrates stuff as it happens and even breaks the fourth wall occasionally (not my favorite style). Looking for multiple objects this time, several tombs are raided in a dangerous race against her arch-nemesis (whom she'd embarrassed, but not competed with in the first two books). Got tired of the writing, until the plot opened up in the final quarter (ancient androids pursuing each other across time). The finale also had some of the best action sequences of the trilogy.
The trilogy features some recurring characters and references to previous books, so all three authors made it fit together. A fairly harmless waste of time. Really I just like the low-poly Laura renders on each cover :3

>>9520640
>current year
> not n k jemisin
White cis

>>9523870
Murrr?

>>9523852
How the fuck can you call her Laura after reading 3 books about her and with the correct name right there in your pic?

>>9523912
Slow onset retardation from years of having no taste in books I guess :(

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>>9523852
>Laura

>>9523465
>speedreaders

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>>9520622
>Shitting on things other people enjoy is how bitter lonely people feel good about themselves.
Sad but true.

>>9520963
Shouldn't the magicians be promoted to gay rape?

>>9523231
Stand on Zanzibar is probably the only objectively good piece of cyberpunk literature. It's also probably the single closest prediction to how I imagine Earth will look in the future, only everyone will be brown by within a few generations.

>>9520188

I am now halfway through 3001, and have been on a serious Odyssey jag the past month. I have a best-practicable matching large paperback millenium-edition set of the series (the 3001 version has been out-of-print so I made do with a fair used copy to please my autism).

It's happening again, and it's really a valid literary technique when you read them all in one go: /Clarke likes to reproduce and slightly alter certain passages of a page or two, to mentally get you back in the frame of mind of the previous passage/. The bit I just read has Frank Poole out among the asteroids again, and a passage recalls a bit of "passing the time" from the original novel. I recognized it at once. 3001's opening also recycles the whole business about Who Is Behind It All (only now identified as the "Firstborn").

So the idea is the simple literary technique of repetition, which can be helpful when spaced right - "rhythmic".

>>9524072
I don't remember any gay rape though. Although it was kind of implied that Umber raped Martin/The Beast offscreen

>>9523644
I don't hate her, never read so I can't hate. But your fevered passive aggressive shilling is telling (she is one of your favs). Everything I've seen so far has dissuaded me from touching hobb. If you don't know I read every post in these generals... Every Single Post. So I've seen the collective consensus when it comes to Hobb. No thanks.
>nor is this thread full of people who hate her, just you and maybe one other guy.
Did I Say this thread? I'm sure I said or implied the general, and the general is many, many threads.

Tastes are subjective, what I enjoyed out of Night Angel you probably didn't, but if you single Brent Weeks out it must mean you are ""that"" anon. I know I won't enjoyed what you did from The Non-Assassin Series. So lets part ways.

>>9524099
You know you've actually been talking to (at least) two separate people, right?

I didn't care much for Gawain during the course of The Once and Future King but when Lancelot gets his letter I couldn't help but tear up and have an emotional moment. What a fantastic book.

>>9523475
>>9523467
>>9520973
>tricked
>trolled
>somebody likes something I don't
>from my post they figured I would enjoy this book
>omg troll troll tricked!!11!1
OR
>see books on list / chart
>instead of going on google and checking the premise/ blurb or checking reviews on goodreads to make an educated choice
>run out and buy/borrow /steal book
>omg! This isn't what I like
>troll! tricked!

All three of you need to commit sudoku. Nobody, NOBODY, here gives books recs subjectively. We all expect you to read up on them. Not our fault you are low iq abortion dodging scum. I bet you are some of the tards that cry about "not getting a book" even when everything is explained in hints and nudges.
An hero asap plz.

>>9524072
It's gay rape and incest. All three must be present, and in extra servings.

>>9524105
Sounded like one retarded fan who can't get through his skull that nothing is objective. Not even the phrase "we need air to survive" is objective when you get pedantic.

>>9524192
>nothing is objective
delet urself

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What are some books where the male protag has a sentient non-human female companion?
I don't even know why I got the urge to read something this specific

I'm an aspiring author, what kinds of fantasy would you want to read that isn't very common right now?

>>9524584
Weird fiction.

>>9524584
Picaresque.

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Does this series ever escape the endless loop of:

Honor fucks shit up in a cool space battle → political repercussions → Honor gets reassigned to a backwater planet → one of her friends dies and she punches/shoots/decapitates a bad guy → surprise Peep attack → Honor wins and gets a medal and a million dollars and gets to go home → repeat

?

>>9524584
Un-ironic Gothic horror.

>>9524584
The type that focuses on trying to be good rather than unique. I recently read the Crimson Queen by Alec Hutson, and I enjoyed it immensely. Rather than trying to reinvent the wheel, Hutson took the very simple Coming of Age story and simply tried to do it right, with a rich, Conanesque setting, likeable characters and simple, to-the-point writing. It has Deep Ones slumbering at the bottom of the Ocean, Spider cults, ancient Wizards, and evil man eating monsters.

>>9524692
See, that's an approach I fundamentally don't get. Why do I want to see a technically well executed example of something that's already been done? It's like saying someone painted a really good picture of a cow... is that interesting?

>>9524700
It's all been done. That's why Fantasy that puts so much effort into being unique is always shit, they end up being neither unique nor good.
If you wanted to be writing something original, then you wouldn't be writing Fantasy in the first place.

>>9524644
Yeah but it takes something like 6-8 books

>>9524707
>That's why Fantasy that puts so much effort into being unique is always shit
Like what, for example? All the shits I've encountered lately failed by not being imaginative enough, rather than the opposite.

>If you wanted to be writing something original, then you wouldn't be writing Fantasy in the first place.
But that condemns the entire genre as inherently uncreative, able only to recycle the same elements ad infinitum. Surely the whole point of fantasizing is to come up with new things?

>>9524723
>Like what, for example?
Pretty much everything by Sanderson, Malazan, and any number of other titles. All varying degrees of shit, partially because they spend such a large word count reinventing the wheel that they turn into doorstopper infodumps. Sure, maybe it's entertaining enough, but it's not good. And despite putting in all that effort, it's still not remotely original, they end up rehashing the same cliches, or cliches from other genres simply with different names.

>But that condemns the entire genre as inherently uncreative
It's not uncreative, it's simply all been done. It's like a painting that's already been finished, sure, you could add in all this extra shit, but if you do, you end up with an over-designed mess that's objectively worse than if you'd just left it alone.

If you want to be original, write Speculative Fiction or something.

>>9524746
If Sanderson is your example of someone "putting effort in to be unique" just stop fucking posting and go and read more

>>9524716
Well, I'm on the 6th book right now and it basically seems like a re-tread of the first one (intentionally, but still)

It's not like I'm not entertained, but I do hope the series goes somewhere more interesting soon

>>9524746
>Pretty much everything by Sanderson
Ok, wow, didn't expect that. I would have pointed out Sanderson in particular as not doing much of anything to distinguish himself from what went before - to me he just seems like Robert Jordan 2.0, especially compared to a deliberately "out there" writer like Mieville or Brian Catling.

>It's not uncreative, it's simply all been done.
EVERY possible idea has already been done? Really?

>If you want to be original, write Speculative Fiction or something.
But fantasy is a type of spec fic, same as SF and horror, with a significant amount of overlap between all three.

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>>9524762
>But fantasy is a type of spec fic
That doesn't even make sense.

>>9524765
You have to speculate to fantasize, no? Obviously not in the strict Campbellian "what implications might this technology have" sense, but on some sort of magical or mythological idea that's not part of the real world.

>>9524765
>But fantasy is a type of spec fic
Yes it does

Look up the fucking speculative fiction awards and magazines. Almost all of the writers listed/published are either pure fantasy or pure sf writers. Fuck the only real exception is alt history and historical fiction

>>9524801
>Look up the fucking speculative fiction awards and magazines

Why would anybody do that? Especially awards. Pretty much every notable award for Literature is politicized to shit and only gets awarded to whichever author toed the political line correctly.

>>9524746
>Malazan
>Shit

Brainlet who gave up 100 pages into GOTM detected.

>>9524814
Oh fuck back off to your puppies blog if you're gonna be a retard

>>9524765
Speculative fiction is a shorthand term for fantasy and scifi. It doesn't mean anything else.

It's like how graphic novel is just a term for comics by people who want to make it sound more prestigious than it is

>>9524822
I thought 'graphic novel' specifically referred to comics that have been published in book form?

As opposed to 30-page serials.

>>9524831
The most famous graphic novel is probably watchmen, which was originally published as 30 page serials

The apparent genre change is just so publishers can market trade paperbacks to literary snobs on top of comics autists

>>9524831
it is. usually it follows a single narrative but not always.

>Tfw you almost exclusively read books written by women but this general hates them
:(

>>9524847
Ulysses was serialized. Is it not a novel?

>>9525000
Don't worry anon, I like the Vorkosigan Saga too

>>9525000
i actually liked graceling which is written by a female author with a female protagonist in a fantasy setting

>>9525000
Don't worry anon, I like NK Jemisin and another anon sold me on Cherryh.

Also got sold on Too Like the Lightning which an anon recommended recently and CS Friedman's Coldfire which I got out of the rec charts in the OP about a year ago.

If you have any good books recommend.

Red Sister is fucking hilarious

There's a character all but screaming I'M GONNA BETRAY YOU and everyone carries on acting normally.

>>9520963
Prince Jorg is an anti Villian actually.

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"I will kill you...... Once"

>>9523344
>>9523289
Lol he said no characters or plot. But here you go
The MC is trying to return to earth and see it again before its destroyed, which is illegal, through a great effort, he makes it, but barely. He gets there and has a moment then dies, becoming the last human to die on earth

>>9521122
Just means all the New Wave stuff is top tier.

>>9525085
She's a good friend.

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>>9524746
I wonder who is behind this post...

Not technically fantasy but The Long Ships is fucking amazing, so much fun to read

>>9524746
>If you want to be original, write Speculative Fiction or something.

What are some good speculative fiction books?

>>9525000
>one autist who got turned down hard multiple times by girls spouts "woman meme" at every opportunity
>omg! The whole of sffg hates women authors
I don't understand how people with low comprehension skills, or low reasoning power can't realize that this general is a collective of persons.
Not because one or two out of dozens says something means it's our collective opinion.

The most vocal is a minority, not a majority.

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Neuromancer is shit
Why did you recommend this

>>9525605
>he fell for it.

>>9524536
>non-human female
In the Black Prism the protag has a female slave companion.

>>9525605
You probably asked for cyberpunk recs. The entire genre is pretty terrible. Snow Crash is okay since it's deliberately over the top.

>>9525531
The Yiddish Policemen Union is Fantastic. One of the best Nebula winners.

>>9525625
i ain't reading no jew book

>>9525622
Fuck Breeks and fuck his lmao 2-3 years to write a sequel and then half the book is about a girl's vagina being too fuckign tight god damn

"Canada". I see you stopped hiding behind proxy books.

>>9525605
People told you it's shit. But you want to be a contrary fag and ignore the naysayers.
Fuck off and neck yourself. Getting pissed seeing you guys.

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>>9525629
kek. It still hurts me too anon.

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>>9524099
>accuses of passive aggressive shilling whilst doing that himself
>claims to read every post
>claims to know the "collective consensus"
>doesnt realise that its pretty much one autistic virgins vindictive crusade against female authors
>doesnt explain who """that""" anon is
>guy hes replying to actually likes brent weeks but he acts like he doesnt
>thinks that multiple posters are all the same person

Jesus Christ the autism is strong in this one.
Sort your ego out mate.

Has anyone read the Wool (or Silo) Trilogy? I only read the first one a few years ago and liked it well enough for what it was, but never finished the series. Is it worth reading them all?

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Spacer woman is only survivor of traumatic encounter with alien artifacts that drive her crew mates insane. She is blackmailed by evil corporation into returning for round two, as captain.
The plot can be crudely summed up as "Gaslighting in SPACE".
That said, it wasn't terrible and kept my interest throughout. I give it 3/5 mysterious malfunctions.
She gave the irredeemably evil and hideously malformed CEO mouth-to-mouth resuscitation at the end :(

>>9525629
Gotta have that filler

>>9525631
You're losing it anon. We gonna have to call the funny van? "Canada" isn't going to steal your miniature ungulates, so stop worrying about it.

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>>9525662
>gotta have that filler
Tis a shame that she couldn't.

>>9525559
>Virtue signalling
>While Anonymous
For what reason

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who was in the wrong here?

>>9525725
Hating on an author because you perceive it as the zeitgeist for /lit/ is virtue signalling.

>>9525734
this nibba looks like adam lanza

>>9525734
Lovecraft somehow looks exactly like his stories read

>>9521122
Some of the stories in Dangerous Visions are shit, and others haven't aged well.

>>9525723
she did in the end, but Kipp didn't get to loosen her cunny with nis dick... a dildo did that.

>>9525818
Yeah I remember, then he did that sappy magic shit when he was feeling all mellow afterwards.

>>9525818
>When you found out Kip is a nigger

>>9525829
>>9525818
>tfw no tight pussy gf that actually wants to have sex with my disgusting self
Hurts also..
>next book when??

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>>9525839
You gotta go back.

>>9525843
>>next book when??
2019

>>9525627
Your loss. Its a pretty good one.

And anyways, all publishers are jew, so what do you care?

>>9525839
Na he was somewhere between Arabian and Mediterranean colouring in the first book.
He was only a nigger in that shitty trailer.

>>9525854
Please leave, reddit.

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>>9525854
/pol/ and /lit are so close that we sword fight in the toilets.
Go back home reddit.

>>9525971

/pol/acks generally contribute nothing but illiterate meming. Please leave.

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>lit shills me a book
>start reading it
What the actual fuck. Are you sure Scott is Mormon? Sanderson doesn't write like this. Is Sanderson just a prude?

>>9525856
But blood mirror came out in 2016... It's supposed to be 2018 next book..

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>>9525977
You only recognise /pol/acks when they shitpost, otherwise, they just blend in with the rest of you plonkers.

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Any books which portray Aliens as alien as Blindsight?

>>9525971
We are not close. You guys just started shit posting here years ago because we had no mods and was a slow board.
Now that we have mods and or janitors that enforce rules, you guys thinly veiled threads are deleted and you have to actually read books or go back 2 pol.

>reddit
>if you never went to reddit and don't like pol you are reddit
How can I be something I never used? You think 4chan was built around pol or something? You guys are an invasive species, moot tried to purge you years ago but he was too late. Now we just try to keep the cancer contained in one board. Some escape from time to time and are purged, but if they mutate and benefit the body as a whole they are allowed to remain.

>>9526035
Mr "Kingdoms", you always let a bit of your racism leak out in your posts. It's subtle, but it's there.

>>9526057
>bla bla bla
I'm not even a /pol/ack, I hate the board.
I just go there for brit/pol/ because it's the only place that has reasonable discussions about politics on a semi-regular basis.

>>9526064
Where's the racism in that post mon ami?

>>9525650
bumping only because this is the third general i've asked this in and i've yet to get even a response let alone an answer

>>9526113
>>9525650

I haven't read the book but you should read them all

>>9525650
>>9526113
I was given Wool in a book exchange and would also like to know if it's worth getting into.

>>9526080
You pro views on pol blending into the masses and evading detection is a subtle hint at your roots/loyalty.

>>9526130
Not everything that doesn't conform to your beliefs is pol anon

>>9526057
>I-I'm not reddit, I've been here all year
Anybody wanna take any bets on if this guy is the Jemisin apologist?

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>>9526113
If no one read, then they can't answer you you now, can they?

>>9526130
What?

>>9525971
Sadly most of nu-/lit/ weren't around when /lit/ was created, they don't remember when we shared a vast majority of our users with /new/.

At least we don't have several threads arguing about Bible translations any more I guess.

>>9526137
My beliefs is that all humans are trash, and we should nuke ourselves into oblivion.
You going to oppose me and say that humans are nice creatures? I wish the aliens in out of the dark would turn up and wipe us off the face of the planet. We know there are aliens out there, but the other thing in the novel doesn't exist. So we won't be saved.

>>9526140
>all that smokescreen
Who are you trying to convince that you're one of us?

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Are these good books to start? Which should I read first?

>>9526158
We shared users because the board had no mods to enforce rules, and was slow.
We used to report those threads. Nothing came of it.

>>9526192
>applefag
Didn't know that all the stupid questions and non comprehension anon was an ipad user. A lot of shit makes sense now.

>>9526158
So many newfags thinking they can call themselves oldfags after a year or two.
The only reason I still come here is because there's nowhere else.

>>9526195
So you admit that /lit/ and /pol/ were and always have been close siblings?

>>9525108
Finished it yet?

>>9526204
what?

>>9526209
Blame whoever keeps posting the charts on reddit. From what I can gather the original dinoposters run a private discord channel but sadly I'm not cool enough to get invited.

>>9525650
>>9526128
>I was given Wool in a book exchange
Are you afraid of cutting into your 4chan time for mediocre literature or something? Just read the books reeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>9526243
You are misinformed.

>>9526243
If you can write an essay on why you should be considered then we'd like to read it

>>9526243
>Blame whoever keeps posting the charts on reddit
They still post the abandoned wikia every now and then

>>9526251
>4chan time

I'm on a computer, I can do multiple things at once.
Currently talking to my mates, playing games, listening to music and shitposting.

>>9526218
We weren't close siblings. You guys are pedophile rapists who snuck into the baby's room when no one was watching, and fucked us up and scarred us for life. People still saying that pol and lit are one. Fucking Stockholm syndrome.

>>9525085
I could understand Nona not knowing how to deal with that shit since she's basically autistic but the rest of them inexplicably doing nothing about it is what got me.

>>9526243
>the original dinoposters run a private discord channel
Just go in the archives. They posted it twice. It's the reddit users anyways. They wanted a social network with registered names and open IP tracking.

>>9526218
No, /pol/ just invades any board that doesn't have strict enough moderation. Just look at /tv/ for a good example of what lax moderation does. It's overridden with /pol/ threads.

>>9526243
>Blame whoever keeps posting the charts on reddit
But one of those charts is actually from reddit. So I just assumed all the charts were from there. Am I one of like 3 people who frequents this general that doesn't browse reddit at all?

>>9526343
>Every board is /pol/
I think this might be a you issue, not a /pol/ issue.

>>9526349
>Am I one of like 3 people who frequents this general that doesn't browse reddit at all?
I'm starting to suspect the reddit equivalent of /lit/ is experiencing a exodus and their looking to create a new home here, it explains so many of the current threads on the frontpage.

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>>9520473
>Brent weeks
>Anne bishop

>>9526218
/pol/ is a major gateway board similar to what /b/ was ten years ago. When new 4chan users emerge, they're likely to hit up /pol/ first, then go to other boards later, bringing their /pol/ shitposting habits with them. That's all.

>>9526080

"im not /pol/ i just go there regularly"

Listen to yourself, moron. And
>reasonable discussion
it's a hugbox for salty racists and virgins where incredible feats of mental gymnastics are performed to justify a narcissistic worldview

>>9526343

/tv/ is full of mouthbreathers, why would anyone visit that trash heap. Even /co/ has more intellectual clout than /tv/

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Why do /lit/ threads keep being derailed by people complaining about other posts that they see as "/pol/"?
Just reply to the content of the post or stfu.
Stop talking about other boards.

>>9526411
You clearly have no idea what brit/pol/ is like.

>>9526423
God, fuck that book. It's literally commie propaganda.

>>9526423
Standard infiltration technique, they employed the same tactic in theses threads a couple of years ago and after all the regulars abandoned ship they didn't stick around nearly killing the threads.

>>9526423

It's not exclusive to /lit/ it's a response to the general shitposting (which I am pretty certain is directed and coordinated by outside interest groups) across the site since last year. Most of the threads and posts literally contribute nothing but to advocate unrelated socio-political hostility.

4chan is flooded with bots and paid posters, and /pol/ is a big reason for this since it attracts so many outsiders. If you believe all content online is sincere and without ulterior motive you are seriously deluded.

>>9526454
You're off your head mate.
You see /pol/ in every shadow.

>>9526251
I have a backlog a mile long as I'm sure most people here do. If I can cross some things off that list as not being worth reading then I will.

>>9526454
t. /pol/

>>9526497
Backlogs are overrated. I just chuck everything in a pile and grab at random. Be free anon!

>>9526534
Yeah, that's still a backlog. I don't have a set order to read the books in or anything either

>>9526464

"Mate", this isn't new, big websites are always subject to outside intervention. Political groups --including the RNC and DNC-- sponsor bloggers, streamers, twitter posters, reddit posters, do you really think 4chan, of which /pol/ is one of the biggest news boards anywhere, is not part of that? Get a clue, it's easy to forget how many people post on this site due to anonymity, but 4chan is mainstream social media.

>>9526464
To put this guy's post in perspective >>9526545
/pol/ gets more hits daily than CNN, NBC, and Fox News combined get viewers. 4chan is unironically the largest political news platform in the world. It's beyond denial that various political groups try to influence discussion.

>>9526577
Do you have the data on this? Not calling you a liar would just love to see numbers.

>>9526544
Is it still a backlog if you have no idea what's in there?

>>9526622
Source is literally just a comparison between unique /pol/ hits according to google analytics and publicly avaiable TV ratings. What exactly do you want, a study?

I can give you a study.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1610.03452v1.pdf

>>9526622

Look it up, google even slipped up and revealed their hand a while back when their moratorium on /pol/ links broke and their news page was flooded with /pol/ threads.

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>>9526658
That was a fun day.

>>9526658
Somebody post the pic where the shareblue bots broke on Reddit and flooded a thread with the same comment several hundred times.

>someone posts complaining about how pol derails threads
>thread gets derailed

>>9526702
/pol/ defense force never misses a chance to defend their home board

Did anyone else read The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet?
I just can't understand why this is getting overwhelmingly positive reviews. Absolutely nothing happens in the whole fucking book (or at lest in the first half, but life is short and I don't have time for that crap) and the characters just aren't interesting enough to carry the book without anything actually happening to them. I can't decide whether to call it "Nothing happens: the book" or "Muh safe space: the book". Am I the only one?

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>>9526545
>triggered by a brit saying mate

Sort yourself out pal.

>>9526653
Great post.

NEW THREAD
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>>9526856
>>9526856
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>>9526545
I don't get it, is this meant to imply that the "racist" /pol/ posters of this thread are paid shills or the libtards who screech /pol/ at every post that offends their sensibilities are paid shills? I don't know who the fuck would pay the first group, there's some possibility for the second one I guess but I'm not feeling it, they've been around forever in sci-fi especially.

>>9526941
Bruh, you do this for free?

>>9527023
No I'd rather eat paint than apply to be a janitor.

>>9526941
>the libtards who screech /pol/ at every post that offends their sensibilities
This exact stupid mentality is one of the main reasons people hate /pol/ posters. You're all like idiotic self absorbed teenagers. You think if anyone has a problem with how you act it must be because your edgy and subversive politics have "triggered" them and not because you're just being an obnoxious ass. Most of the people fed up with you have been on this site, way, way longer than you and can hardly be offended by anything because they can remember /b/ when it was filled with gore and cp and elderly scat porn ontop of nazi posting. No, your quaint little naziboo antics are not offensive to people here, you're just a loud, obnoxious twat.

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