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Why can't Post-Modernists define Post-Modernism? Is it because they would be outed as rubbish?
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>>7508032

Definition is a pre-postmodern concept.
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Postmodernism is Jewish
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>>7508037
is this your way of reinforcing my qualms?

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What's the most literary drug
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>>7500602
Alcohol, newfag.
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>>7500603
>alcohol

What a fucking pseud. Opium or don't even try.
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literary tier
>alcohol
>opiates

wannabe literary tier
>benzos

faux-enlightenment tier
>hallucinogens

high school tier
>weed


all can be fun in moderation though :)

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AAAHHH HEMMINGWAY HELP ME
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hkov3QcCpQ
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>>7511098
I watched the whoel thing btw
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>>7511098

Fuck off Sam leak us some of you adult swim shit

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I don't mean to say that the works found in high school English are bad, but he seems to not want to engage in any literature other than what his high school English teacher tells her students to read. He has this rabid obsession with pretty mediocre YA novels and doesn't seem to want to draw value from more sophisticated works.

That is not to say that YA is fundamentally bad. But the shift in YA has gone from the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, simple tales talking about trading, fishing and exploring to purposefully dumbed down works that end up treating young adults like children.

Like what the fuck does this:
>let's make the world suck less
even mean?

Young adults should be introduced, on a basic level, to the greater joys and ills of the world. Trapping these kids in the vocabulary of a preteen does not help. Plus there's this whole nerdfighting thing that just doesn't make any sense.

It's like when you see a mother go "a goo goo ga ga" to a child. No, you're not supposed to do that. Use real words so the child can actually fucking learn. This is actually critical advice in parenthood.

John Green, to me, seems like the guy that likes to engage in baby talk with babies. Instead of elevating the young adults into the real world, by blending very real scenarios with the emotional and developmental difficulties of going through puberty, he insists on keeping everyone trapped in that era.

Why is this? Is he autistic? Does he have aspergers? Was he just too dumb to do anything else? Why does he insist on being such a mediocre writer? He never wants to challenge a young adult.

Also: he's a cuck.
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>Why is this?

Because he is a cuck
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>>7503904
He's an awfully dumb cuck then. I'm sorry, but if you're in your 30s, you should not be obsessing with YA any longer unless you're a woman or gay.

Maybe that's unfair. At the very least, he shouldn't write mediocre YA books.
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He has defined his marketing segment and enriched himself in it. There is no escape when you make that kind of money from something so easy.

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What are you writing, /lit/?
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a story about a late-20s NEET who finds a childhood friend on social media with naked pictures of herself, and he pursues her in a last-ditch effort for >tfw gf. I am a sperg and reformed NEET so I wind up writing a lot about NEETs getting forced out of their comfort zones.
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>>7508785
This post.
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>>7508785
im deciding on starting one of two stories ive been thinking about. both arent fully clear in my head

one is a guy having a bad vacation and the other is a trio of stories around a dentist, granite worker, and ex entrepreneur collecting royalties. these are very bland descriptions tho so whatever.

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Can we have a thread for Shakespeare scholarship, discussion, etc.?

I'm currently reading through all the plays roughly in order of composition, and reading Goddard's commentary from The Meaning of Shakespeare after each one (then sometimes rereading it), on the recommendation of a patrician friend. I want this Shake-a-speare nigga in my brain hardcore.

Anyone know any other interesting Shakespeare stuff to read? Should I read Harold Bloom masturbating about Hamlet for 900 pages or anything?
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> I want this Shake-a-speare nigga in my brain hardcore.
This little one's not worth the effort
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>>7507295
I said that from the deepest depths of my heart. It's what my soul feels.
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Is Goddard's commentary any good?

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What language sounds the best when it comes to literature?

Examples are encouraged
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my vote goes to French.

excerpt from Proust's Swanns Way

http://strawpoll.me/6365701

Il y avait déjà bien des années que, de Combray, tout ce qui n’était pas le théâtre et le
drame de mon coucher n’existait plus pour moi, quand un jour d’hiver, comme je rentrais à la
maison, ma mère, voyant que j’avais froid, me proposa de me faire prendre, contre mon
habitude, un peu de thé. Je refusai d’abord et, je ne sais pourquoi, me ravisai. Elle envoya
chercher un de ces gâteaux courts et dodus appelés Petites Madeleines qui semblent avoir été moulés dans la valve rainurée d’une coquille de Saint-Jacques. Et bientôt, machinalement,
accablé par la morne journée et la perspective d’un triste lendemain, je portai à mes lèvres une
cuillerée du thé où j’avais laissé s’amollir un morceau de madeleine. Mais à l’instant même
où la gorgée mêlée des miettes du gâteau toucha mon palais, je tressaillis, attentif à ce qui se passait d’extraordinaire en moi. Un plaisir délicieux m’avait envahi, isolé, sans la notion de sa cause. Il m’avait aussitôt rendu les vicissitudes de la vie indifférentes, ses désastres
inoffensifs, sa brièveté illusoire, de la même façon qu’opère l’amour, en me remplissant d’une essence précieuse : ou plutôt cette essence n’était pas en moi, elle était moi. J’avais cessé de me sentir médiocre, contingent, mortel. D’où avait pu me venir cette puissante joie ? Je
sentais qu’elle était liée au goût du thé et du gâteau, mais qu’elle le dépassait infiniment, ne
devait pas être de même nature.
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>>7506544
>http://strawpoll.me/6365701

In case you didn't notice I made a poll
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Divina Commedia

1 Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita
2 mi ritrovai per una selva oscura
3 ché la diritta via era smarrita.

4 Ahi quanto a dir qual era è cosa dura
5 esta selva selvaggia e aspra e forte
6 che nel pensier rinova la paura!

7 Tant'è amara che poco è più morte;
8 ma per trattar del ben ch'i' vi trovai,
9 dirò de l'altre cose ch'i' v'ho scorte.

10 Io non so ben ridir com'i' v'intrai,
11 tant'era pien di sonno a quel punto
12 che la verace via abbandonai.

13 Ma poi ch'i' fui al piè d'un colle giunto,
14 là dove terminava quella valle
15 che m'avea di paura il cor compunto,

In how many languages can you read, mate, and more importantly which one do you prefer the most? What are the prime differences? How long did it take you to learn it or are they all your mother tongues at the same time? Advices for learners at the initial stage are welcomed.
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>>7504656
I'm from german heritage, so German is no problem of course.
I can read English fluently, just finished Romeo and Juliet and Motorcycles & Sweetgrass.
French is pretty difficult because I lack most advanced adjectives/adverbs, so I have to stick to Le petit prince etc... Right now I have to read "Phèdre" for and "En attendant Godot" for uni; it really sucks ass (not because of the plot but because I miss important passages and have to look inside my dictionary.
Any advice to increase my reading skills?
Just picked up Spanish this summer, looking forward to increase my speech level and pick up my first novels in that language.
Besides, what about you OP?
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>>7504656
Dutch, English, French and German
English for the best translations, French for the most poetic language, dutch is a disgusting language and my German isn't on point for deep stuff.
Learned them all in highschool + latin and Spanish.
Go to a country for a few months, watch television in that language and read books.
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>>7504706
Well, as you've already asked that, the only foreign language as well as self-taught for me is English, in which I cannot read fluently yet on account of limited vocabulary and stuff. Mother tongue is Russian. As far as I can judge there is nothing to say about myself at this stage for I'm learning it just for 2 years and didn't take any lesson on grammar yet, only watching movies and using 4chan.

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Its that time again, boys and girls! :)
post your bookshelves and rate others.
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>>7495718
It just never gets old!!
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>>7495718
>girls
Not on my board.
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>>7495718
>girls
>on the internet

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Anyone know if I should get this version translated by Mannheim with the intro by D Cameron watt ,pic related. Or the one with the black cover just by Mannheim. Is there a big difference between the 2 editions? Btw I'm not a nazi just getting a lot of autobiographies and I felt this is an important addition to the list.
Thanks /lit/ !
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Also the one in this pic with black cover is just the Mannheim with no DC Watt intro.
The first is cheaper but I want to know if the one with no watt intro is a better version or is altered or updated in any way?
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Don't forget to read the Zweites Buch, and Hitler's Table Talk. They're better. Mein Kampf doesn't really get the real Hitler across.
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>>7510343
Thanks I have table talk written down to remind me to get it. I'll definitely look into zweites buch.
So do you think that the 2 MK versions are basically the same?
I'm just afraid the DC one has different footnotes or is altered from the Mannheim version.

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Look at this reddit writing, and how well praised it is.

I mean, it's mediocre at best.
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okay
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good for them
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The part at the end where the customer suddenly becomes congenial towards the shopkeeper feels forced as fuck. Otherwise: yeah, that shit is mediocre at best.

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Is reading philosophy worth it? I'm interested but it seems like quite an undertaking and I don't want to put in the effort if I'm just being memed without realizing it
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Everything is a meme nowadays. Why don't you just start reading and see if you like it?
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>meme

You don't even know what the fuck that word means. Go read a right-wing blog.
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>literally asking people this question
If you can't even figure out if you should read philosophy on your own, i kind'a doubt you'll be able to understand most of it

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was he right?
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you're not meant to identify with holden, no
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>>7509933
Lel
It's not about being meant to or not
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>>7509925
Holden did nothing wrong.

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Which settings/themes would you most like to see more in literature?
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Cyberpunk (in actually good books)
How technology is changing the human condition
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zombie apocalypse]/spoiler]

Just once done well. I liked it before it was cool and I just feel so bad that everybody got sick of it before we got some GOOD stuff out of it.
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my fetish

something written at a higher level than literotica/amazon ebook standards anyway.

Not that they're that bad but I want to fap and have nice prose as well

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>http://www.amazon.com/dp/0143118447

Thinking of reading this book. Is it legit or is it just feel-good betabux propaganda
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Get away from this manager-level crap.
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I've read it

Teaches you how to do "active conversations", i.e., how to talk about feelings of everyone involved in a relatively useful way without, how to keep the discussions on track, how to stop feelings getting too involved etc.

Still, I hate when people use the techniques presented, it's become a bit overdone in some circles ("How do you feel about Timmy having taken your toys? I want you to describe your feelings to Timmy!")

Useful if you have to "manage" conversations relatively often (partner/work etc.), not useful if you're a NEET who plays Dwarf Fortress, it does NOT talk about dem dorfs
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>>7509646
What would you recommend instead? My normal style is to err on the side of blunt

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