Is it just a fresh new meme or is it a good read?
Hard mode: you actually read the thing.
800k words, out of print, author distanced himself from it. No one has ever finished it. Definitely seems like a good read and not a meme
Stop reading about life and go out and live it. Every experience is worth a hundred stupid literary novels.
>>7522597
>author distanced himself from it
I heard about the first two things but never this. Care to elaborate?
What edition of Gravity's Rainbow do I get?
>>7522578
>he thinks this is a meme
get the 1995 penguin anon, blueprint cover.
who else loves this
>UUUULAAAAAHHHHH
>>7522557
A friend's older brother had that album. I haven't listened to it in years, but remember enjoying it when I was a child. Are you familiar with Rick Wakeman's Journey to the center of the Earth?
>>7522607
No but I'll give it a listen. If you're interested you really should listen to War of the Worlds, it's all up on youtube. It has everything from cheesy 70s prog to genuinely depressing parts with Richard Burton hamming it up.
>>7522557
I loved this but ive only listened once.
I tried listening to his sons "remix" of the album and honestly felt like it was sullying the original and coudnt finish it
>he's currently reading something that isn't on /lit/'s top 100 chart
>he's still stuck on Origins
You'll never make it at this rate.
>>7522473
I'm reading The Tunnel and The Recognitions, which are both better than everything but the top 5 on the list.
Is writing more exhausting than painting, drawing and sculpting?
I can write well and on top-capacity for, at the best days, only about 4 hours. The idea of waking up at 08:00am and produce until lunch break and then keep working until 09:00 or 10:00 pm is a joke to me.
I tought this was only weakness of my part, yet I discovered that most great writers (and above all poets and verse-workers) ussualy work hard on writing for only 3-4 hours, and mainly read and copy material on the rest of their time. A lot of writers complain about the menal exaustion that the craft make them feel.
As for painters and sculptors, you read a lot about many of them working for several hours non-stop, as Michelangelo, for example.
I myself like to scult clay and draw, and I never feel as tired and nervous while doing this kind of activities than when writing.
So, is it just me or writing is really more consuming when it comes to energy and tought capacity?
>>7522418
If Michelangelo had the desire to write he'd be 10 times better than you'll ever be
>>7522438
That's only because he didn't have access to 4chan.
>>7522418
>Is writing more exhausting than painting, drawing and sculpting?
No, but it is, often times, more personal, more organic: language is consciousness, after all.
I need an english presentation done please at high school level talking about whether it is better for a leader to be feared or loved based on machiavellis the prince and how it relates to modern society pleaseee it doesnt have to be good ill pay 10 dollars by paypal when its done pleaseee
Both, my man
>>7522313
Tell you what, I wrote my Thesis on Machiavelli and I'll condense it all into neat little research notes that you can more or less copy/paste for an easy B+
That being said, I'll need half of the money up front so I know that you aren't fucking with me
>>7522329
How do i know you wont rip me off?
My most recent book haul. How'd I do, bros?
>>7522303
>lit-starterpack
Fucking kill yourself faggot
(spoiler) Stoner is fine though (/spoiler)
>he's writing a novel but can't describe the underlying philosophical themes
>he thinks the author matters
>he's writing a novel but he can't describe the plot
>>7522047
>he thinks the author doesn't matter
Like wearing glasses without the lense. Art is an extension of the artist: it is interpretation of reality externalised; and, therefore, it is essential to critical analysis of the art.
this is important
is the front cover of david bowie's space oddity made out of a cooling azure mosaic of acid tabs?
thank you, also, what books should I be reading? I'm reading Kafka/s at the moment.
>>7521996
can I get some music as well
some guy recommended me an album (which I've now forgoteen) which was I think heavy metal but with yoga.
>>7521996
please
>>7522026
pretty please
I'm turning 24 in one minute.
Is it too late for me to create something of literary worth or am i destined to fade away into obscurity working some shitty job?
4 pages into my novel which i've been writing for over a year.....
>>7521988
Why be so fucking negative, there's a new year beginning. Discipline yourself to write between 500-1000 words every day. You're worth the effort.
Fuark OP, I'm turning 24 in March 2016. Tell me what it's like to have officially lost your youth, soul, spirit, freedom, and brio.
Happy birthday, OP.
To be honest you're probably destined to fade into obscurity and work a shitty job, but that's what pretty much everyone does so you have nothing to lose by writing.
Plenty of writers got published when they were way older than you.
And remember, everyone and everything will perish and nothing will have mattered, so mattering a bit less for a few seconds is no big deal.
>"I do things like get in a taxi and say, 'The library, and step on it.'"
>that entire ebonics section, which would probably be offensive if it wasn't so incoherent
>multiple mathematical errors and a hilariously faulty understanding of organic chemistry (DFW later admitted that he just copied most of the information on drugs out of a pharmaceutical textbook)
>completely unnecessary endnotes which are not only irritating to read but destroy the cohesion of the narrative rather than allow it to flow
>"And so but"
>frequent and casual use of the word "fag" + multiple transphobic portrayals of transvestites and the ambiguously-gendered
>goofy names, obsession with popular entertainment and the invisible social structures which govern us, postmodern style, endless abbreviations, yet DFW claims to have never read Pynchon
It's obvious to anybody who looks beyond the size of the book, the front cover blurbs from Wallace's MFA-cronies, and the many 4chan memes, that this is not a good book. It's an insecure attempt by Wallace to demonstrate to the literary establishment that he was just as smart as he thought he was, and he failed.
Please /lit/, look beyond DFW's carefully manufactured celebrity appeal and listen to Bloom. Some of you are better than this.
>>7521981
>"I do things like get in a taxi and say, 'The library, and step on it.'"
It's said by a precocious anxiety-ridden 18 year old. And it's brilliant even if you dislike it for... well, what exactly? Edginess? Ego?
>which would probably be offensive if it wasn't so incoherent
It is coherent on a close read. You wanna say you didn't read the book or? You skimmed through then made this thread?
>hilariously faulty understanding of organic chemistry(DFW later admitted that he just copied most of the information on drugs out of a pharmaceutical textbook)
Anon, most of the chemicals are made up. It's fiction. Wallace never admitted any of this.
This thread is a very poor and cancerous b8.
>>7521981
>>frequent and casual use of the word "fag" + multiple transphobic portrayals of transvestites and the ambiguously-gendered
stopped right there
>>7521981
>DFW claims to have never read Pynchon.
can you link me to a quote of some kind on this?
also i think you were trying not to enjoy infinite jest or went into it with the wrong expectations. i think its a pretty outstanding novel myself.
So has anyone else noticed that the modern "avantgarde" of poets and writers like Tao Lin and Heiko Julien basically spew the same shit you have seen on Tumblr for years?
First of all they are weirdly obsessed with "dank memes", this new meme culture that is recent enough to be considered newfag, yet old enough to be stale. The vaporwave and ironic 90s tech chic seems to be very a very common theme and artistic inspiration. I bet those "artists" don't see the IRONY of trying to be innovating while spewing buzzwords and funny images about hating life, suicide (with a healthy dose of thesaurus abuse) and "aesthetic" computer ads from the 20th century they see on tumblr blogs.
Speaking of irony, this whole obsession with irony is pretty ridiculous. A statement can be ironic but how does one do something ironically? Talking about how you do things "ironically" only comes of as you being a self conscious conformist that is trying be different in the safest way possible. Dude that stupid thing I like I ONLY LIKE IRONICALLY so you are the one that's stupid. Chan culture and this board in particular seems to emulate this behavior while usually removing itself from it source via this magical irony.
Is this the present and future of literature?
The world keeps a moving
but the Iliad stays the same
>>7521920
Agreed. I wish I had been born in the 1920s when real literature was being written- now it's all meme-meme bro irony get anomie tumblr crap. I feel like I was born in the wrong generation; literature, what happened?
I don't want to sound like a shill but icycalm talks about this in his art essay. Literature has degenerated. Artfags have taken over. /lit/ is completely fucking unwilling to even entertain the idea that the point of literature is entertainment. This opens the door to all sorts of shit.
Why did the Greeks revere assholes like Odysseus?
They appreciated men of intent, and with flaws. There wasn't a single Greek hero besides maybe Theseus that didn't piss the Gods off in some way.
if you were fighting and winning, to the Greeks, great. If you were losing and dying, just as good. If you're sitting at home doing nothing, well, how many Greek heros did that?
>>7521822
>assholes like Odysseus
They didn't have 3000 years of ideology weighing them down.
>you'll never plunder maidens, pillage palaces and boast on you boat
>no mixing wine in the crater
>no sacrificing oxen for a safe passage on the water
>no fucking every king's daughter on the coast of the Mediterranean
>ever
Eliot, Lawrence and Pound are the ones that spring to mind, though I'm sure there are more. Filippo Marinetti didn't even 'become' a fascist -- he preempted Mussolini and made Italy's modernists (Futurists) fascist by design.
Why?
Massification was the most prominent and most repulsive aspect of the modern zeitgeist they were championing for other reasons, and they wanted to find ways to deal with it
>>7521722
Eliot wasn't a fascist, he volunteered as a fire warden during the Blitz in London during WWII.
Pound was a massive fascist AND invented Modernism, so it just appears that lots of Modernists were fascists.
>>7521910
>Eliot wasn't a fascist, he volunteered as a fire warden during the Blitz in London during WWII.
lol That wouldn't exclude him from being a fascist
>The obsessive hatred, bordering on psychosis, againstproducts— i.e. against man-made objects — seems to be the hallmark of the pseudo-intellectual today. Hatred of consumption, a problem which no sane, healthy person has ever had. As if food and clothes, as if eating or dressing were bad. Such is the pseudo-intellectual's craving to appear to be raging at something, that he will rage at life's basic necessitities if need be.
Admit it, this is true. Zizek et al tie themselves up in knots trying to logically explain why the core of capitalism is shit but they just can't do it
>Rail against mindless, materialistic consumer plebs and their filthy acquisition of things
>spend lots of money on pretty hardcover books, lust after other people's bookshelves
Zizek hardly has a hatred for consumption.