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What's the best written song you know?
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>>7531764
goodly music written is bad most of th time
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It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYajHZ4QUVM

random excerpt:

Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Make everything from toy guns that spark
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It’s easy to see without looking too far
That not much is really sacred
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>>7531764

Sale la nebbia sui prati bianchi
come un cipresso nei camposanti
un campanile che non sembra vero
segna il confine fra la terra e il cielo.

Ma tu che vai, ma tu rimani
vedrai la neve se ne andrà domani
rifioriranno le gioie passate
col vento caldo di un'altra estate.

Anche la luce sembra morire
nell'ombra incerta di un divenire
dove anche l'alba diventa sera
e i volti sembrano teschi di cera.

Ma tu che vai, ma tu rimani
anche la neve morirà domani
l'amore ancora ci passerà vicino
nella stagione del biancospino.

La terra stanca sotto la neve
dorme il silenzio di un sonno greve
l'inverno raccoglie la sua fatica
di mille secoli, da un'alba antica.

Ma tu che stai, perché rimani?
Un altro inverno tornerà domani
cadrà altra neve a consolare i campi
cadrà altra neve sui camposanti.

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What is your passion Anon?
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>>7531348
reading, dipshit
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the life and works of David Foster Wallace
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>>7531348
You are, honey.

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do you think he can crack open beers with those tusks
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he got em fixed
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>>7529900
he should get dentures like pig
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How big you think his dick is???

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GRRM to announce The Winds of Winter release date tomorrow...

Prepare your asses for the best selling book of the decade!
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I need a woman
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>>7528413
>hottie alert
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>>7528413

Did ADWD have a similar announcement before being released? I really can't remember if he did because the show was just getting started or if he casually announced it because it wasn't as big as it is now.

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Can we talk about the particularly Orthodox themes in Dostoevsky, like existentialism, confession and universal reconciliation? I'm not really sure why the last thread got deleted, I guess because talking about religion in Dostoevsky is bad and we can only talk about him from a secular perspective? Go figure. *shrugs*

One thing I think plays a prominent role in his work is the Orthodox conception of hell. Unlike the Roman Catholic conception, hell is not a state of separation from God, it is actually the same as heaven. God's love is a fire and a light, and it bliss for those who love it, but agony to those who hate it--the corruption of sin gets in the way of fully feeling it penetrating our being, which is comfort to some, but a hindrance to others. A good illustration, I think, is how after Raskolnikov commits his murders, love becomes almost unbearably hateful to him, he doesn't want people to care for him, it's painful. He is in a state of hell. Porfiry is, of course, Satan, the Adversary (the explicit giveaway is him winking with his left eye, a motif also used in The Brothers Karamazov by Smerdyakov).

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>>7528239
That's an interesting perspective. I don't see how you can talk about Dostoyevsky without talking about Christianity, it's one of his biggest themes. He's one of my favorite writers by the way
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>>7528302
Do you know if Nietzsche read anything by him besides Notes from Underground? Since it instilled in Nietzsche such a respect, I would think if Nietzsche read any of his other works, he would have at least put effort into rebutting them, since they challenge ideas identical to Nietzsche's.
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>>7528331
I mean I would assume he had read more of his stuff but I don't know. The nihilism in crime and punishment seems like it could have been an influence on him. It seems like a lot of people who like dostoyevsky conveniently skip over his Christianity. Maybe he was rebutting him, just not directly because he respected Dostoyevsky as a writer

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The Fault in Our Stars - John Green
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Ada
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>>7526563
The Tunnel by William Gass. I will find you if you do not read this.

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Feel free to comment and contribute.

>---===--- Introductory works.

For those that are "new" to atheism or are just engaging their atrophied literacy for the first time. If you're still in high school and/or attempting to overcome a lifetime of indoctrination, these are the books for you.

>John Shook - The God Debates (2010)

If you run into a lot of clowns on Facebook or just want a fresh start on what this whole "God" thing is all about, this is the book you're looking for. Shook lays out the full spectrum of theology and philosophy here with an up-to-date and comprehensive account of the God debates yet manages to keep it accessible, and whoever you are, you're likely to learn from this book. This is an excellent book for high schoolers and philosophy first-timers.

>J.L. Mackie - The Miracle of Theism (1983)

As the oldest book on this list, this is probably the first "modern" atheist book. Mackie lists almost all of the common theist arguments here in this extremely thorough tome and goes through the whole gallery of philosophers, from Kant, Kierkegaard, Descartes, etc. all the way up to the likes of WLC or Plantinga. I would call this book the Elements of Style of atheism. A great introductory work to the God debate.
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>---===--- General works.

For works pertaining to theism in general, or addressing a wider spectrum of topics.

>Jordan Howard Sobel - Logic and Theism (2009)

This book is a beast. Sobel's (very expensive) doorstopper here is like a cluster bomb upon theology - a kind of upgraded T-1000 version of The Miracle of Theism. In this vast tome, Sobel lays out the complete range of theist arguments, from ontological to cosmological to Pascalian to miracles and the fine tuner. The only criticism I can level against Sobel's work here is that it is not written in a very accessible style and the sometimes mathematical language can turn off a layman reader.

>Graham Oppy - Arguing about Gods (2009)

Continuing in the "cluster bomb" tradition, this recent work is another extremely up-to-date collection and analysis of theist works. Oppy runs the full gamut here and addresses not just classical philosophers, but keeps it modern with the inclusion of the likes of Dembski, Dawkins, and Plantinga.

>Michael Martin - The Impossibility of God (2003)

Martin is one of the most prolific atheist authors of our time. In this anthology, he provides a veritable treasure trove of essays attacking the full range of theist conceptions of God. Martin sets out to prove that not only do the common theist definitions of "God" all contradict each other and even sometimes themselves, but that there is simply no adequate explanation of a theistic God. This is an incredibly strong book; a collection of 32 essays that might contain arguments and concepts you have never even considered before.
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>>7523111
>---===--- Advanced works.

Advanced as in addressing certain arguments or certain aspects of philosophy and theology.

>J.L. Schellenberg - Divine Hiddenness and Human Reason (1993)

In this book, Schellenberg advances one principal argument - the argument from nonbelief. He attacks the main theist conception of God as a loving, anthropocentric deity and attempts to defend this argument with a range of analysis. This is a very interesting if dated book.

>Nick Trakakis - The God Beyond Belief (2006)

Another "one shot" book focusing on a singular argument, this work concerns an all-time champion - the problem of evil. He attacks the existence of an anthropocentric God with the evidential existence of moral evil, and addresses all the common defenses against this argument from the appeal to mystery to the legion of free will theodicies.

>Theodore M. Drange - Nonbelief and Evil (1998)

This is an oldie but a goodie. In this book Drange attempts to advance the atheist position from "I don't believe in a God" to "I disbelieve in God" and defend it as a rational and logical conclusion through a direct attack on theism with two polished showstopper arguments - the problem of evil, and the argument from nonbelief. This is a very persuasive work attacking the most common conception of "God" that people hold.
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>>7523113
>---===--- For a technical perspective.

These books have less to do with theology and philosophy and more to do with a real-world analysis of religion.

>Karen Armstrong - A History of God (1993)

It always saddens me a little when people don't know about this book. In this carefully-researched tome, Armstrong details the intricate history of the Abrahamic faiths, outlining how the religions evolved over time. Meticulously researched and thoroughly explained are many common religious topics, such as the evolution of paganism into monotheism, the notion of polytheism and a Trinity, the inception of Islam and the antics of Muhammad, and even the role of Eastern philosophy and the influence of Hinduism and Buddhism upon the Middle East. This is a one-stop education of history by itself.

>Robert Wright - The Evolution of God (2010)

In this ambitious book, Wright launches a historical analysis of the three monotheisms, tracking the concept of a theist God from its original inception to its modern-day usage, in all of its many forms and explanations. He applies evolutionary psychology and game theory to explain the rise of theism, and outlines the evolution of monotheism and what form it may exhibit in the future.

>Darrel W. Ray - The God Virus (2009)

This book seeks to use science to analyze the nonsensical and oftentimes bizarre reasoning of religious people. For those of you who have always been atheist, such as myself, this is an invaluable resource. Ray addresses the many gaps in religious reasoning and attempts to explain them, using the metaphor of religion as a virus of the mind to display how religions are self-propagating ideas that have evolved over time to survive in light of mounting philosophical, historical, and now scientific objections. Next Ray details the influence of religion upon modern society, showing how civilization is awash in the undercurrent of religious thought, permeating all of politics and popular culture.

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What are your favorite literary excerpts?
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>and she was a hurricane

Is this a misprint?
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>>7533304
nope, just John "cuck" Green
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>>7533313

This is how John Green writes?

Holy shit, I thought you people were just making jokes about him.

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69, 14,18,19, 6, 9, dubs and higher get to call chracters in my new short tale
why pic? It's called the delberry dismemberer
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Fago McGee and his magic talking prolapsed asshole
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CaptainCuck
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go back to /b/

What are your new books for the new year?

Just got these from the mail.
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Nice choices, going for a happy 2016 i see.
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>>7530833
Beowulf, The Nibelungenlied, Grettir's Saga, The Poetic Edda. Books I'm going to read this month.
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Don't read The Trouble with Being Born. Don't let /lit/ or anyone else tell you it's good or "patrician;" it isn't.

It is horribly depressing, written by a man who is committing suicide slowly by devouring himself psychologically. Cioran is an intelligent man, but that book is a blight on the human mind and soul, if you even believe in that.

It's not for the weak minded, nor for the strong minded. It just isn't for anyone with a mind. Cioran embodies detrimental nihilism -- it will make you want to give yourself brain damage or kill yourself. Finishing that book will not enlighten you and it will not give you satisfaction; it will only hollow you out. You will derive nothing from this except sadness and possible depression.

Even nihilists stay away. Cioran is far too fucking extreme in his distaste for living. He literally says the only reason he doesn't kill himself is because he's already suffered living and it'd be too late anyway.

Burn the book. I made the mistake of reading it and I threw it away.

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Hey /lit/

Im pre-law, and curious as to what you guys suggest i read in my downtime. Im getting a bachelor's in English, if that helps any.
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Laws - Plato
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Atlas shrugged
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the trial

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(NEW) FLASH FICTION THREAD

Roll it up and write a flash fiction in the style of the corresponding number. If possible use your roll to critique someone else's work. Take no more than 10-20 minutes to write.

0 - Hardboiled/noir
1 - Fantasy, mostly dialogue
2 - Poetry
3 - The High Seas
4 - Philosophy
5 - Comedy
6 - Unrequited love
7 - A letter to someone
8 - Adventure
9 - Moved to a new neighborhood

Dubs: Main character is not a human
Trips: Must be XXX
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Is there an original version of that drawing where you can see the dude's wiener?
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>>7530224
how long should it be? also roll
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>>7530232
There once was a man from Nantucket,

But really I just want to see the guy's wiener.

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>"What are you reading"

>"Lolita"

>"what's it about?"

How does one answer this without looking like a peado ?
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>"what's it about?"

power and obsession
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>>7529572
Feeling like shit about wanting to have sex with your true love
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>>7529572
it's a complicated love story.

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write something clever
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>>7528455
ayy lmao
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>>7528455
something clever
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>>7528455
Saqué un bolígrafo de mi mochila y me arrodillé junto a la pared de la derecha. Dibujé a un enano con un pene enorme

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RARE DFW THREAD
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Dumb dfw poster
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>>7525915
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>>7525932
>David, if Delillo comes in here and catches us, we'll both be in a world of jest!
>I AM... In a world.. Of jest!

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