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If you fucks like this book so much, why do you all so accurately embody the attention-seeking, identity-relishing art "appreciators," seeking not the recogition of being "freed into reality that we never see" but the public image associated with it; attempting not to "convince yourself of your existence" through art, but through the superficial reality and external judgment associated with art? Gaddis is rolling in his grave, my lads.
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boi ur excited.
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Because the only solutions the book offers aresuicideandliving it through. If you see any actual remedy to the situation I'd like to hear it. On a certain level the book should be read as an inoculation against all the masturbation and elitism, but short of finding a monastery what can be done?
On the other hand most people on this board haven't read this book. Gaddis-posting happened gradually over the last two years. I doubt that Gaddists are the same people that do all the rest of this board's posturing bullshit, because the irony can't be lost on them. Rather I think all the people who don't read The Recognitions and mock it for being difficult are the same ones who have gone way too deep into the culture-hole.
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>>8087493
Pretty much this. Even if someone got into it for posturing reasons, they wouldn't have to read more than a fifth of it to see it parodying them. It keeps going in and out of print because it's plebproof.
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Where do I go next with Pynchon?
This seemed to be universally recommend as the starting point, so what should I follow it up with?
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>>8087402
Appreciate it, thank you
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i just started with GR since i couldn't find CL49 or V in the library.
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>Spanish and Italian tier
Perfectly phonetic. God-tier languages (literally). Genders done right, plurals done right, conjugations done right, word order done right, alphabet done right.
>French tier
DERPDERPLOLOL WE "ROMAN" LANGUAGE TOO DISREGARD A THIRD GERMANIC VOCABULARY. VOWELS EVERYWHERE MORE THAN NECESSARY SHIT. UN COUP DE, UN COUP DE, UN COUP DE. LETS PRONOUNCE "e" IN 4 DIFFERENT WAYS LOLOL NEVER PRONOUNCE LAST LETTERS DERP DERP REDDIT SHIT
>English tier
MIXED IMPURE SCUM. NO GENDERS. NO REAL PRONOUNCIATION RULES. I READ A BOOK PAST AND PRESENT. VOCABULARY CONSISTENCY, WHAT'S THAT? TAKE LOANS FROM EVERYWHERE. LIKE LIKE LIKE. DO YOU SPEAK AMERICAN??? IT'S SEVEN BONGS!
>German tier
Perfect for science. LOLOLOL THREE GENDERS AND 4 GRAMMATICAL CASES WE STILL CLASSICAL ERA. SMASH WORDS TOGETHER. PARAGRAPHS LONG WORDS HERPDERP. sie sie Sie. DOCH EVERYWHERE. LOL GOOD LUCK WITH PLURALS. DIE GEDANKEN SIND FREI EXPEPTIONS TO RULES EVERYWHERE
>Arabic tier
Cool looking alphabet. LOL NO EVERY LETTER TAKES THREE TIMES MORE TO LEARN. "AL" EVERYWHERE. ALLAHU AKHBAR! BE CAREFUL, I ALMOST SPIT ON YOUR FACE TRYING TO PRONOUNCE HALF OF THE WORDS. YOU THINK YOU KNOW ARABIC? LOL NO ONLY ONE DIALECT.
>East asian tier
DERP DERP NO SPACES. WE NO LANGUAGE FAMILY SO HAVE LUCK SPENDING OTHER 5 YEARS TO SPEAK ANOTHER ONE. SHIT TIER WRITTING SYSTEM.
>Chinese
Simple grammar LOLOLOL 3000 CHARACTERS TO UNDERSTAND CHILDREN'S BOOK. 4 DIFFERENT TONES HURR CHINA STRONG! DERP MANDARIN > WU. NO CONJUGATION NO GENDERS NO PLURAL. DISREGARD ALPHABET, ACQUIRE FAGGOTRY
>Japanese
RORORORO TWO ARPHABETSU AND CHINA'SU RETARDED WRITTING SYSTEM. 600 DIFFERENT WAYSU TO CONJUGATE A SINGLE VERB. YOU DIDN'T USE PORITE FORM CONRRESPONDING TO YOUR AGE, YOU DISHONORRED MY FAMIRY. DESU DESU DESU. AM I KAWAII UGUU~
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Do Norwegian / Scandinavian now.
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>>8087155
By that reasoning you have to put portuguese with spanish and italian.
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>>8087155
>thinking Spanish is a God-tier language for anything
>pinches gueritos realmente creen esto
Are you even trying anon? I'm a native Spanish speaker and it is a pain in the ass to read anything in Spanish that is of artistic merit.
I consider myself an Intelligent person, but I do not understand the purpose of "The Sound and the Fury".
It is beautifully written, my favorite parts being Benjy's and Quentin's.
However, I got absolutely no message from this book.
I understnad Faulkner loves and respects Southern Culture.
Was this simply just an exercise in appreciating Southern Culture?
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>>8087015
>I consider myself an Intelligent person
Intelligent isn't a proper noun, it's an adjective
also did you really have to include that? You already know people will hate you for that, and if you don't then you clearly aren't very Intelligent.
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>>8087021
I'm using it as a describing word you fucking dimwit.
It would be the same as; "I consider myself to be a strong person"
I never said I was MORE intelligent than anyone else, so why does it matter? My point was; this book baffles me.
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>>8087030
you don't capitalize adjectives, buddy.
There's no need to get upset just because you don't know basic high school grammar.
And if you didn't think you were more intelligent than everyone else you wouldn't have pointed it out, as you did.
this is seriously one of the most tedious fucking books I have ever read in my whole life. reading this book is like doing a homework assignment. I get that it's supposed to be a critique of aristocracy, but oscar wilde really like to fling up dense ass sentences, and his characters speak in so many aphorisms, sometimes I just come to an absolute tug of war with my willpower to read through it, and my desire to finish the book. I'm dead serious, it's just so fucking tedious, who the hell reads this shit? I'm 56 pages into the book and it's 160 pages, it's taken me days because it's so tedious to read through. Nothing has picked up yet, it's still just character and plot building and fucking LORD HENRY speaking in the most obnoxious way, all throughout. Fuuuuuuck. Why? Why the hell do people enjoy this book? It's fucking drudgery!
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>>8086992
I read it in like four days and thoroughly enjoyed it. If you aren't feeling it just drop it it's that easy. You don't have to like every style
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Welcome to 19th century literature OP. Don't forget to read the 9001 other """masterpieces" from that era.
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>>8086992
>I get that it's supposed to be a critique of aristocracy
lamao
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Hey, /lit/. Casual reader here.
Just finished reading pic related. Do you guys have any suggestions for similar works?
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Both sequels. My Ishmael and The Story of B.
Just stay skeptical as you read. A lot of Ishmael's arguments are deeply rooted in Malthusian theories about overpopulation, which have been largely disproven.
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>>8088194
>Malthus
>largely disproven
Certainly we have delayed the onset of a Malthusian catastrophe through the adoption of increasingly energy-intensive agricultural methods (Fritz-Haber process, etc). It remains to be seen whether we can continue to delay it indefinitely, especially in the face of climate destabilization.
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>>8086947
Finish the Ishmael trilogy: The Story of B and My Ishmael. You can read them in either order.
You may also like Barbara Kingsolver. In particular:
>The Poisonwood Bible
>Prodigal Summer
>Flight Behavior
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"For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise."
>Not memorizing entirety of Homer
>Not engaging in Dialectic
>Not contemplating the forms
>Not refuting doxa
Its time to accept that books killed philosophy.
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>Not fucking Alcibiades
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The only reason you know this is because Plato wrote down.
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>>8086896
Fuck off Derrida.
>been masturbating to transformation fantasies/pornography since I was 8 years old
>find the understanding of life as becoming rather than being inherently more sensible
Have my sexual inclinations shaped my philosophical ones, or is there some common neurological root?
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>>8086738
You're probably just autistic
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>>8086751
No, I was tested for that and was declared neurotypical back in 1990. Otherwise I would consider this hypothesis probable.
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>>8086738
its possible
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>get to page 60
>this happens
Now men, I have rubbed up against a few men in mytime, but women? Oh well, I may as well confess it now, yes, I once rubbed up against one. I don’t mean my mother, I did more than rub up against her.And if you don’t mind we’ll leave my mother out of all this. But another who might have been my mother, and even I think my grandmother, if chance hadnot willed otherwise. Listen to him now talking about chance. It was she made me acquainted with love. She went by the peaceful name of Ruth I think, butI can’t say for certain. Perhaps the name was Edith. She had a hole between her legs, oh not the bunghole I had always imagined, but a slit, and in this Iput, or rather she put, my so-called virile member, not without difficulty, and I toiled and moiled until I discharged or gave up trying or was begged by her tostop. A mug’s game in my opinion and tiring on top of that, in the long run. But I lent myself to it with a good enough grace, knowing it was love, for she hadtold me so. She bent over the couch, because of her rheumatism, and in I went from behind. It was the only position she could bear, because of herlumbago. It seemed all right to me for I had seen dogs, and I was astonished when she confided that you could go about it differently. I wonder what shemeant exactly. Perhaps after all she put me in her rectum. A matter of complete indifference to me, I needn’t tell you. But is it true love, in the rectum?That’s what bothers me sometimes. Have I never known true love, after all? She too was an eminently flat woman and she moved with short stiff steps,leaning on an ebony stick. Perhaps she too was a man, yet another of them. But in that case surely our testicles would have collided, while we writhed.Perhaps she held hers tight in her hand, on purpose to avoid it. She favoured voluminous tempestuous shifts and petticoats and other undergarmentswhose names I forget. They welled up all frothing and swishing and then, congress achieved, broke over us in slow cascades. And all I could see was hertaut yellow nape which every now and then I set my teeth in, forgetting I had none, such is the power of instinct. We met in a rubbish dump, unlike anyother, and yet they are all alike, rubbish dumps. I don’t know what she was doing there. I was limply poking about in the garbage saying probably, for atthat age I must still have been capable of general ideas, This is life. She had no time to lose, I had nothing to lose, I would have made love with a goat, toknow what love was She had a dainty flat, no, not dainty, it made you want to lie down in a corner and never get up again. I liked it. It was full of daintyfurniture, under our desperate strokes the couch moved forward on its castors, the whole place fell about our ears, it was pandemonium. Our commercewas not without tenderness, with trembling hands she cut my toe-nails and I rubbed her rump with winter cream.
He goes on like this. Safe to say I got meme'd?
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>OLD PEOPLE SEX EYE BLEACH NUH
Oh get off it
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>>8086578
I was laughing when I read it. I don't actually think I got meme'd and I'm enjoying this book quite a bit tbqhwy.
It just seems like Beckett's laughing from his grave for getting the Nobel Prize and comparisons to Proust for something so outrageously scatalogical.
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>>8086752
How could he not be scatological, he learned from the best.
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Words that let you know whoever's saying them hasn't read a book since high school. I'll start:
Orwellian
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[any adjective]
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"irregardless"
"deep-fried"
"words that let you know whoever's saying them"
"hasn't read a book since high school"
"I"
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>>8086541
>speaks verbally
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What are some good books about individualist anarchism?
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>>8086528
stirner
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>>8086528
>"Anarcho"-Capitalism
>"Individualist
You're gonna be collectively slaving away for the benefit of whichever lord... I mean "CAPTAIN OF INDUSTRY" enslaves you... I mean, writes up a contract of indentured servitude with you.
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Stirner
Proudhon
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You guys are about to fall in love wayy to hard.
Brace yourselves:
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1464247881561.webmOdds and ends lie scattered about
Strangers, friends are left in doubt
To what was inside them in years gone before
What was behind the door?
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>>8086388
Eh no thanks, she has a bad case of Britface
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>>8086406
Pic very related
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bump for poetic introvert cutie.
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Why do you hate me so much, /lit/? Is it just because I'm successful and you're not?
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Curious, what exactly is wrong with Coelho's texts? Why are they so bad?
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>>8086625
There is a pasta? I haven't actually seen it. I-I'm sorry... I got into an argument with a retarded friend about Coelho being shit, and instead of reading The Alchemist I wanted the 5 minute version from /lit/...
Are you creative and playful with your brain ?!?
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>>8086206
YeA we have sex every night
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Stories (and even individual parts of stories) have a resonant, alchemical relationship with the way
we experience life
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>there are people that still believe in the right left hemisphere dichotomy
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I've tried to get into books, really I have. I started with the Greeks, tried to work my way through the works of Plato then the Iliad and Odyssey. Tried a bit of oriental philosophy books along with Sun Tzu's Art of War. And I just...don't feel it. I really don't feel any motivation to keep going with it. Even fictional books meant to be 'fun' and whatnot bore me. I think there are two main problems I have with books.
A) Very often people take 30-50 pages to describe a concept that could economically be explained in 3 paragraphs or less if you really wanted to. Most of the time I spend reading involves silently thinking "holy shit just get to the point already" and my mind wandering away after about 15 minutes.
B) Books are entirely non-interactive in the sense that they are entirely "linear". What happens if you disagree with one of the fundamental premises of an argument being presented as an a priori? What if you think there is a very specific fault in a certain string of reasoning that the author is presenting? You can't argue with a book is what I'm saying, all you can do is read it.
That being said, am I a pleb? And if so, what can be done to help me overcome these two obstacles?
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>>8086131
read what seems interesting to you, not some lit memes
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A) Just a case of reading better books, good writers know not to waste a single word.
B) It's probably better to finish a book before arguing with it, but if you dont like it just drop it.
Aside from that ask yourself why are you reading anyway, because of some vague idea of being "well read", or are you actually interested in reading them?
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>>8086131
Just start with some good fiction book that is highly related with you