Canada General

So I cant own body armor here in 'berta. But whats the law on just the plate carrier?

Mostly just out of curiosity, I still have a ways to go before becoming a crazed doomsday prepper.

>>30793886

>>>/int/ to talk about your country, >>>/pol/ for politics

>>30793940
Good thing this general is for neither. Fuck off burger.

>>30791333
>1) Out of what is available on our market in terms of muzzle brakes, I see a lot of consensus on the benefits of Czech Large Military Brake (I think that's the proper name for it). But I can't find it being sold on any Canadian seller site that I'm aware of. Anyone know where to get it?
No idea which one it is but corwin has some military/SF brakes for the VZ58
https://www.corwin-arms.com/catalogue/accessories

>3) Is there a cheap way to organize/carry VZ mags? I read somewhere that mag pouches designed for AK are no good. Anything you guys would recommend that is affordable and practical for the range or crown land pinking
I've heard AR-10 holders are the way to go, AK are usually too tight due to the VZ mags being slightly chunkier.

>>30793925
If you have a PAL you can have plates. Look up AB body armor control act. It says somewhere that exceptions include people who hold a Licence under the Canadian firearms act. (Which would be a FAC, PAL, RPAL, POL etc.)

>>30793940
>>>/b/ for shitty trolls.

>>30793925
Ya you can, your pal count as the paper work needed. I bought mine from frontier firearms. It was about 280$ Irish police surplus, level 4
Canadaarmour has dope AF shit tho

>>30793983
>>30793985
Thanks.

...now I just need to get about 10000 cans of pork and beans and then I can get to work on the fallout shelter.

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Southern Alberta checkin in. Where muh homies at?

>>30794030
Nice try Australia

Anyone buy one of those sap 6? You have had mine for about 6 months 400 rounds though it, no issues. Except the 11 round mag only hold 10 and only max at 2 3/4 while advertised at 3"

>>30794071
Considering it as my first shotgun after I get my PAL.

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I have one. Like it a lot, fun gun, need a bit of tuning when you get it, like job weld on the rail and stuff. The 11 round mag only hold 10, it's supposed to do 3" but the mags only hold 2 3/4"

>>30794071
I've been considering one over a Mossy 590A1 for a dedicated HD gun, but I'm wary of that spring-run, non locking action. How would you compare it to a traditional pump action?

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>>30794154
Also, obligatory shitposting about my new YMA optic. I'll bring it to that AB meet, if anyone wants to try it.

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Just got new grips for my vz58, haven't shot it yet, just got it from bullseye London.

>>30794154
Tok, it's way different than all my other shottys, but it will never jam and if it did you can rack it without hitting a realize. You defiantly reccomemd, and would shoot it with ya one day if we meet in the middle of the province or somethin

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>>30794171
That looks hilarious, cut the hand grip off or get the top rail nigga!!, cool gun tho

Fuck my tablet is fuckinup my autocorrect and I don't post from it much, sorry for the shit posts boys, just tryin to add some oc to the board. Gonna start tripfaggin cause I'm pretty sure there only like 20 of us.

>>30794201
If you're ever in the area, or if I ever zip down near Calgary, I'd be glad to meet for a shoot.
>>30794227
FTU a shit, this is how the QBZ was meant to look.

>>30794154
I've never had a problem with my bone-stock Mossberg 500, but maybe they show up after prolonged use.

>>30794171
I think that is the same muzzle break norinco used on the ar-15 jam-o-matic. 600$ cool gun, but wouldn't trust it for shit

>>30794291
I'm in souther ab, if you ever wanna journey down, way way down, I got hella toys to play with. We have around 30 guns can give a review of many things that have gone on sale in Canada in the last couple years, ama I guess

>>30794171
Does it rack nicely?

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>>30794299
You mean their notoriously reliable and pretty-good-for-the-money entry level ARs they offer? The ones that nearly everyone recommends, and that some people have put 10k+ rounds through with no issue?
And it's a different muzzle brake entirely, it's a real pain to swap on an AR brake.
>>30794336
I may rip down to Waterton this year, but normally Calgary is as far as I go, and even that's rare. Will you be at the meet? If not, dovetailrail is my hotmail burner account, should you want to contact me and set up a meet.
>>30794348
Oh, lawdy, it's like butter. The smoothest action to rack ever made.
>>30794296
I'd love a 590A1, all slutted up with light, heat shield and bayonet. Hell, I want both.

>>30794455
My Norc will only shoot a full lar mag like 1 out of 10 times, I only have about 400 rounds down the pipe,I have around a dozen mags and only one works pretty good but not very impressed with the build. Overall tho, a Fantastic gun for the price.

>>30794455
I wasn't aware the ar had such a good rep, maybe mine is just weird or needs some tuning, it's my first ar15 so I'm a noob on the platform. I have been a fan of norinco for about 10 years, them and domion arms, good stuff for great price.

>>30794455
Don't forget, no guns in Waterton, """national parks"""

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>>30794171
Noice
>>30794336
Bring all guns to the AB meet, we very well could get 80+ guns together, i might bring around 20 my self

>>30794544
I'm not going down to shoot. I'm doing the Crypt Lake hike.

>>30794528
>>30794494
That sounds weird man mine just does not give a fuck what mags I use.

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>>30794550
All your guns*

>>30794550
I'll bring my tiny-ass "collection", but I won't be able to bring the Tok, G34 or NAA Mini. So that leaves the Mohawk, SKS, La Salle, and Type 97, unless I somehow magically can afford another shotgun by then. I want a Vz.58, but I lack a true dedicated HD gun.
And I guess I'll have to stock up on ammo too. Fuck...

>>30794561
Thanks, I will tweak mine around a bit, I have already changed the exacted spring and washer, but didn't seem to help.

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ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND CANADIANS ARE CRIMINALS OVERNIGHT

>no amnesty period

We DYSTOPIA now.

>>30794595
Canada ammo has the grip on for 199.99$ this weekend. It's the 18.5" barrel one, there ok, I have two

>>30794595
I still have to build target stands and set shit up for 300m shooting therell also be a competition shooting style cut out thing if anyone wants to try that, and ill be bringing alot of kfc cause we have too much chicken.

>>30794652
Grizzly, not grip, sorry my screen is broken and it's hard to see.

>>30794652
Grip? The Grizzly? That may do me just fine. I don't get paid for two weeks, though. Worst case, Maverick 88s are cheap, and I rarely hear bad things about them.
>>30794656
I have a bunch of targets, a stand, and some ballistic foam. Some figure 11s, Gunfighter, and some 25m and 100m.

>>30794705
Steel targets?
I have to get more plates from the train tracks by my place

>>30794734
>I have to get more plates from the train tracks by my place
Do tell. I live near a a few railroads.

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HAND IN YOUR 10/22 MAGAZINES.

You will be PROCESSED. Surrendering your magazines is admission of a crime - you have presented proof of possession of a prohibited item.

Turn in your magazines. Leniency will not be extended. WE WILL FIND THEM. We are making Canada SAFER.

We will take these dangerous items and their dangerous owners off the streets. SUBMIT TO PROCESSING.

>>30794734
Paper. I should get some steel, though.
>>30794771
I'm legitimately surprised nobody's accused me of being an RCMP spy yet.
>Not just ripping all your pins anyway
I'll only load 5 rounds at a time at the meet, though, if it keeps the bawling to a minimum.

>>30794705
Sign up for the Canada ammo newsletter buddy.

>>30794771
Man these guys would not operate with.

>>30794815
Nights just getting started.

howdy folks. my PAL/RPAL should be coming in the mail within a month or so.

looking to buy an unrestricted rifle or two along with a pistol, some recommendations would be nice.

Planning on using one of the rifles for hunting.

>>30794841
What sort of budget do you have?

>>30794834
One thing I have never understood,mod they get the guns to take home and customize? Why would the govt not give them tricked out ar already, rather than have these "operators" have to pick their own optics and foregrips.

>>30794771
Don't they have any sort of regulations for their uniform? That looks like a fucking /k/ meet.

>>30794841
SKS and Tok for beginner rifle/pistol combo, then go look at a variety of Fudd guns at your local LGS for a hunting rifle YOU like.

Ignore the inevitable whiney bullshit how 7.62x39 is SUCH A BAD BEGINNER CARTRIDGE .22 DA BEST.
>>30794818
I hate newsletters, but I may make an exception.

To the guy from the previous thread saying you need a PAL for a crossbow, that's not true.

They planned on including crossbows on PAL's, but that was removed by the time the law passed.

From the RCMP's website:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm

>Q5. Do the licensing and registration requirements apply to bows?

>A5. Crossbows that can be aimed and fired with one hand and crossbows with an overall length of 500 mm or less are prohibited. You cannot lawfully possess or acquire a prohibited crossbow.

>You do not need a valid licence or registration certificate to possess any other type of bow, including a crossbow that is longer than 500 mm and that requires the use of both hands. Criminal Code provisions making it an offence to acquire a crossbow without a valid licence were never brought into force.

>If you plan to use a bow to hunt, please check provincial hunting regulations for information on hunting licence requirements and restrictions that may apply to the use of bows. For example, some provinces do not allow crossbows for hunting.

>>30794741
Walk along the tracks and look for square heavy plates you cant really miss them

>>30794841
Sks and a grizzly. Both can get for less than $250 and are tried and true reliable and fun starter guns, also both are great for customization if Your into that. A great way to get into the hobby is a sks and a crate of 1200 rounds for 300$ So much fun to be had.

>>30794875
You'd be suprised ive seen the equipment requisition forms. IIRC they are Colt made with Geissele SSA triggers with eo 552

>>30794875
When we got our C7s over in Trashcanistan, we were given a choice between an Elvan, Irons, or an EOTech. You got all three and used what you liked. The odd VFG would show up, but if you wanted something else, you slapped it on out "past the wire", or you'd have some faggot squeal about how THATS NOT STANDARD ISSUE KIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>30794905
Every long weekend they have killer deals, also recommend wolverine supplies newsletter, trade x too.

>>30794958
>Elcan.
Damn auto-correct.

>>30794920
Couldn't you fire any crossbow in a single hand?
Fuck this gay country.

>>30794949
Those pics always seem weird tho, like how they all have different optics, why would the govt not supply a top tier optic already zeroed, to prevent potential fuck ups?

>>30795000

It's a bullshit law, just like our law against nunchaku, shuriken, blowguns and automatic knives.

>>30794920
This makes some nerd guns and toys from the dollar store prohibit as they are technically crossbow that can be fired with one hand. Such a crazy law because most one hand firing crossbows aren't even that strong, like Bb gun tier.

>>30795024
Reminder the RCMP classify any two objects connected together with rope, string, chain and such to be nunchucks.
Your shoes tied together with their laces could literally be considered nunchucks.

>>30795156
Dont forget lengths of small diameter tube

>>30795109

It's not like you can't find actual crossbow pistols in flea markets and shit, either.

>>30795156

Seriously. How many young boys do you know who DIDN'T do that shit?

>Go to Canadian Tire
>Purchase length of copper pipe
>Get arrested as you leave the store for owning a prohibited weapon

>>30795024
>automatic knives.

This is the stupidest of them all. I can deploy a ti-lite with a wave on it faster than it would take me to pull a switchblade out of my pocket and find the release.

Or I could just put a fucking steak knife in my pocket and it's just as threatening as a microtech halo

>>30794841
$2000

>>30794905
SKS looks neat, only $250 too guess im getting one

>>30794935
What is a grizzly?

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>>30795362
>What is a grizzly?

everyone's favorite bear.

sup
Congratulate me, cause I just got my RPAL in the mail today and I am shitting bricks out of excitement. Now I am thinking about joining a firearms rights groups: NFA, CCFR, CSSA. Is anybody a member of those? If so, what its like? I did my research, but NFA seems a little bit obnoxious and NRA-like, CCFR even though the are a little bit calmer. seem like theyre just a bunch of pussies. And CSSA is, well, just a sporting association. But that is just my opinion. Prove me wrong or reassure me in my beliefs.

>>30795424
You should probably go with several- for example, I got a CSSA membership for the liability insurance and access to emergency legal support.

CCFR is good because they work on education.

>>30795424
I'm a member of all three, comes with a couple perks like insurance and legal aid, all three are like 150$ and they aare e the only ones standing us for us

>>30795362
A very common 12 gauge pump action Chinese made shotgun. They rock

>>30795591
Do they? I've never tried one. Might be good until I can afford something better.
Also, there are so many variants. Which ones are decent? The little mag-fed Shorty versions are neat, seems like they'd be great for a dedicated HD gun. And if I can find some ultra-low power loads to avoid smacking my face/beating up my wrist, it may be fun to plink with in a PGO configuration.

>>30795851
Low recoil 00 buck that Canada ammo has is great i can fire a grizzly 8.5" with a pistol grip one handed no problem

>>30794455
Where in AB are you from?

CSSA are going to file class action against RCMP for whatever reason, if you have some affected mags you can get in on whatever money they get out of it.
http://myemail.constantcontact.com/TEAM-CSSA-and-CSAAA-JOIN-TO-ENABLE-LEGAL-ACTION.html?soid=1124731702303&aid=U1AJXd1stas

>For those that don't understand what a class action lawsuit is about.
+ It can get the government to pay you back for the mags that are now prohibited.
+ It can set good legal precedence for possible future confiscations
+ It will send a strong message to the powers that be that we won't take things lightly
- All the money paid out and court fees basically come from your taxes
- It won't change the prohibited status of the mags.

>>30795993
*Should probably have said this is about the 10/22 mag thing.

>>30795851
>>30795903
Seconding 8.5 grizzly PGO being fine. Pretty much everyone thinks it "ruins wrists" but it doesn't.

I've put boxes and boxes of pretty much everything with the 8.5 like a pistol, the only thing that ever even stung was the 2 ounce 3" maximum turkey loads.

>>30795981
Why, wanna go shooting? I'm in Edmonton.
>>30795903
Thoughts on a mag-fed Grizzly for HD? I've never actually seen one.

>>30796030
Id stick with tube fed

>>30796016
What people don't seem to understand is the Griz receivers are full steel while 870's are aluminium.
The weight cuts down recoil a huge amount.

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>>30796030
I like mine but the muzzle blast and flash on the short barrel 12ga is pretty fucking nasty. This is do-not-want-tier, thrice over indoors at night.

>>30796038

Mag fed is faster to load when legally stored, though.

>>30796040
>870s are aluminum
No.

And I've shot PGO Mossberg 500, those ACTUALLY have aluminum receivers, and they aren't much worse in recoil. The 8.5 griz with a loaded mag isn't much over 5lbs, and that's quite light compared to a lot of shotguns.

>>30796030
Mag fed grizz are pretty dope, the only problem ive had with the mags is ramming them in really hard causes the first shell to jump and get jammed but I mean really givin' it.

Mags are surprisingly drop free if you have the finger strength to hold the release at full.

>>30796030
Grande Prairie, figured you might be nearby from earlier posts.

But no, I just got the call today that my PAL was approved after they checked that I wasn't unhinged from losing my job, but I still have to wait about a month for the waiting period.

>>30796030
Also mo do not fucking use one for home defense, EEEEEEEEE is not a meme with that gun you will concuss yourself in close quarters, ive tried it in my tunnel and its very unpleasant

>>30796043
Just keep the tube fed loaded no one will no, unlesss you alway let cops in your house like a retard it takes 3 seconds to put 2 rds in

>>30796055
I had to wait 5 months to go through the RPAL bullshit.

also Slave Lake checking in.

>>30796041
Oh, my. The 12 or 15in would be my choice, especially since I'm a tall guy. Or maybe I'll just stick with a 590/90A1.
>>30796043
This is why I'd be interested in one. It'll be a fun, cheaper option until I get a SAP6. And I'd hate to drop Big Chief Chugnugget in a B&E situation only to have the court squeal that HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO LOAD DAT SHOTGUN SO FAST if I use a tube-fed.

>>30796112
15" comes with a old school heat shield, worth it.

>>30793940
I don't much appreciate your attitude, please refrain from being offensive.

>>30796093
Probably wont bother with restricted. Can only use them on approved ranges and everything that I really want is prohibited.

>>30796112
Great options to consider:

14.5" conversion for 500/590 on CGN
~12" barrel for an older Wingmaster

Aside from that, I've been leaning towards a cheap kelkek SUB2k or even SU16 just for HD. It'll get stolen by the cops anyway, so whatever's bottom of the barrel that'll work is what I'd go with.

>>30793925
http://www.qp.alberta.ca/1266.cfm?page=2012_032.cfm&leg_type=Regs&isbncln=9780779787951

>>30796055

I was in gp for 2 years! Some good places to shoot in the bush out there...

So the RCMP has fucked the shit out of the 10/22, but prior to this clusterfuck...
It's a rimfire rifle, and rimfire mags are unlimited capacity, right?
Does that mean it was once legal to slap the 100rd Drum mag in a Ruger 10/22?

What's the waiting period for a Non-Restricted Firearm? I obviously can't just walk into a store, slap down my PAL and walk out with a rifle, can I?

>>30795424

Congratulations anon! How long was the wait?

>>30797034
I think you can if you already have your PAL.
There's no registry so you can just buy your rifle and go home. The RCMP does daily background checks on you so as long as you have the PAL you are considered safe to have a firearm.

>>30797694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejmYK-7PGm4

>>30797613
3 months. I was gonna buy a 10/22, but since this stupid mag ban came into effect, I am looking for another mag fed .22. Any recommendations?

>lower receiver waiting for me at post office

I have to wait for that stupid registration certificate before bringing it "legally" to the range right?

>>30796076
This, I would never want to shoot a 12 g in my bedroom with my dogs and wife in there

>>30797015
110 round Ned drum mags are very popular, ever hardware store and gun shop had them, made in Germany by gsg, that are awsome

>>30794550
Is that a Valmet in the middle?

neat

How does being in possession of an ATT prevent any crimes? What crime is an ATT supposed to stop exactly?

>>30798824
Transporting a restricted firearm without authorization.

>>30798824

If criminals don't have an ATT to carry their firearms how else would they do so during the commission of crime?

Sasuga Liberals

What kind of process do I need to go through to get a prohibited license for collecting?

>>30798824

Ita supposed to prevent using restricted at some place other than a range. You cant say you were on your way to tge ramge if you get pulled over not between the two then they ask about your ATT and go from there.

I heard (from an old fudd, not sure if true or not) thay when your short term att gets put through that day your licnece plate gets flagged and cops will pull you over to make sure ots being transported properly

>>30796112
Do you have any experience with the FTU for the T97? I'm wondering if there's a way to make the bolt handle reciprocating again; I'd rather be able to use it as a forward assist if I "needed" to. Or would the bolt handle be flying too close to your face if you did this?

>>30799237
You used to have to actually call the police every time you went to/from the range

I have a friend in Alberta and I want them to get a gun
How are the laws over there?

>>30799726
are you american?

it's pretty much the same across all of canada, other than quebec

>>30794071
Can you remove that return spring for the pump? Or is it permanent or breaks something if you remove it?

Marstar has more meatball garands in stock, worth it or no?

>>30799206
You need to already have one.
Owning a business that requires it will do too, but the PPAL would apply to the business and not your person.

>>30799899
why would you? the spring is removable, like ever component, but if you mean to fire it without the spring, i don't know why you would wanna

>>30797034
You really can just walk in. They run your pal # and in a couple of minutes you are good to go.

>>30797034
yeah, you can

you can even do it with restricted if they do the transfer/issue you an STATT fast enough

>>30799750
Yeah I'm murrikan
So gun laws are lax like in the states?

>>30797034
you can walk in and buy a dozen rifles and shotguns and 50,000 rounds and body armour all in the same purchase, if you have your PAL, no wait period.

>>30800298
more lax than cali or ny. also we have some things that you can like short barrel shottys

>>30800298
you have to take a safety course which is typically two days on a weekend, maybe 10 hours total, mail in an application with references, they may or may not do brief phone interviews with you or references, wait a couple months, license shows up, then you can buy guns

there's a bunch of other little nuances and laws here and there, but that's the basic breakdown of how it works

>>30800319
>>30800324
That's plenty more freedom than what I have here in the NY
Thanks for the info!

>>30800287
No such thing as an STATT anymore.

>>30800349
oh, true

i haven't bought any restricted since that changed

so you can always take a restricted home immediately now?

>>30800361
Yep

>>30800324
i really enjoyed the course, gun in as someone with very little experience, it was fun. the system we have for gun purchases is pretty sweet too. i fuckin love guns by mail.

does anyone know where to buy human silouette targets in canada? or some of those targets similar the DHS was using that had photos of terrorists holding hostages? or the Trayvonne "St. Skittles" Martin target with him in a hoody?

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>>30800447
>Trayvonne "St. Skittles" Martin target with him in a hoody

>>30798841
I am taking the firearms cert course in september so my question will be answered then too.

But if I wanted to go shoot my 22lr pistol at the local range I would need to attain the ATT first? How long does it take to get one?

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Hey guys.... is 250 shipped a good price for a re-furb pre-1930 Izhevsk Hex Mosin? I already have an SKS and I reallllllllllly want a nice quality Mosin.

>>30800988
why are you admitting to committing felonies here

>>30801111
>felonies
>canada

youre not very smart are you

sorry "indictable offense" then you pedantic fuck

>>30801182
i'm pretty sure that particular offence is a hybrid

but youre getting there

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Hypothetical question that is not at all related to the recent events in Europe that may or may not happen in here.

What's a good non-restricted "truck gun" that will fit in a backpack or duffle bag while still being complaint with the storage and transport laws?

I'm considering pic related, but at the moment there is a much higher risk of Joe Blackbear stealing it out of my trunk than me actually needing it.

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>>30801492
AR-7 in .22. Fun little gun.

>>30795993
> It won't change the prohibited status of the mags.

Neither will the RCMP's opinion. They aren't all fucking prohibited.

>>30801492
i'd probably go with a 590a1 or similar security-type shotgun. once you get to the point where you can handle the recoil and reload without thinking about it a good pump shotgun gets pretty high on your list for an all purpose weapon.

that way i could use it for bear/moose defence if im out in the bush too. those 9mm kel tecs are only any good when you use the big 33 round mags or the 100 round double-drums.

though the kel tec is much better if you wanted to put it in a backpack and tote it around on your person.

plus the availability of 12ga ammo greatly exceeds 9mm.

I can't see through the slit of the rear sight on my JW25A. It has a dovetail thing. What buy?

sub-$100 for a mount and scope would be peachy, bonus points if I can make a big ammo order with it and get free shipping

tfw no superior nazi eyesight

>>30796030
Also Edmonton here PAL in in mail. Where is good place to shoot if i dont want to go to a range? We should hang out

>>30801111
waste of quads.

I do not own firearms yet idiot.

>>30801781
Not crazy tok guy but that depends how far your willing to drive, good crownland starts around 40min out of Edmonton, come to the AB meet

>>30801097
Fuck ya, 250 for any working firearm is good man. Remember, always jump on every deal you can, you won't regret it.

>>30801977
This, i sacrificed a perfectly good longterm relationship to buy a valmet for 1500$ less then they go for here and i havent looked back. Now i cant a single valmet under what i payed

>>30801097
fuck no

don't spend more than $200 for a mosin unless it's an m44 or m39

mosins are shit btw just get a mauser variant

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anyone know a place to get cheap m1a mags?

>>30802055
Mosin bro here, I do love Mausers and I've been fortunate to have fired one, but at the moment I cant afford to feed one. At close to 2 dollars a round and no reloading equipment in the near future.. they unfortunately aren't an option for me. One day I'll snag myself a Chilean contract one!

>>30801757
>sub-$100 for a mount and scope
What size is the dovetail thing? Ruger makes a cheapo 4x32 that's usually packaged with air rifles, but it's been holding up alright on my .22.

>>30802139
better have good eyesight

>>30802139
you can get a swedish mauser that shoots 6.5x55 which is a rimless cartridge AND is considerably cheaper than 8mm mauser (~1.30/rd)

they can be bought for like ~350 and are soooooo much better than any mosin.

plus when you're bangin on those high powered bolt actions you're not really putting that many rounds downrange.

>>30802182
My bad should've been more specific... was thinking of the Chilean Mausers in .308, but I'll look into 6.5x55 as per your suggestion.

>>30802091
Same mags as the m305 right? I just bought 6 from marstarr and they came quick with no fuck ups, I know they have a shit website and a bad rep, but they do have some good stuff for cheap

I'm giving serious thought to picking up a handgun now that I've made a bit of dosh.

Two questions:

1) What should I expect from the process? Mostly how the fuck does the STATT work? Do I have to apply ahead of time, wait for approval and then go to the store, or do I do it at the store itself?

2) I'm going to need a safe, what's the cheapest one I can get away with? (I haven't made that much dosh and don't want to double the price of the gun)

>>30802165
3/8 or 11mm or something. couldn't tell you what it has to be for length

>>30802234

Just to follow up I'm not looking for a full-size gun safe, just something I can keep the gun in. Ideally it'd be just big enough to hold a couple of handguns.

For the guy trying to get m1a magazines, there's a 20rd loophole mag out there somewhere, I forget for what, it just doesn't hold the bolt open on last round.

>>30802261
R700 20rd mags, needs to modified to work which the rcmp says is illegal but you dont need to listen to them cause the law doesn't say anything about it

>>30802182
>6.5x55
>Cheap

>>30802301
you can get s&b ammo for $1.50/round and prvi $1.25/round

so i think this is in the same price class as 308. which is on the more expensive side but not outrageously

>>30802381
I get brass case match grade 308 for 75cent a round

>>30802220
I forgot about them thanks! Did you get the ones labelled norinco on the website or just the plain ones?

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>>30793983
I use s CNC warrior brake. They don't ship to Canada, but if you have a buddy state side ship it to him and have him ship it to you.

Most AK mag pouches will work I use HSGI taco pouches and a chicom rig. Although I may go to a Russian D3CR knockoff.

>>30802021

How did buying a rifle cost you a relationship

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>>30802414
>match

no you dont

even if you were hand loading good match ammo is at least $1/rd.

or are you just a pleb who thinks anything better than steel cased barnauls is match-quality-ammo?

>>30802234

https://www.amazon.ca/Ivation-Electronic-Mechanical-Construction-Anchoring/dp/B00SLPHOCS/ref=sr_1_10?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1469832780&sr=1-10&keywords=gun+safe

>>30802536
Probably one of those "Anon, its your guns or ME." kind of things. Always better to go with the guns because if a woman gives you one ultimatum she'll keep going.

>>30794030
Lethbridgefag here

>>30802537
Hertinberger, i was sold when i saw some guy get .5 inch groups at 200m with it, idk what rifle he was using but it seemed expensive and he said next to handloads hertinberger is the best ammo hes used, weight difference between each round is miniscule like .1 grains different and the powder load is extremely consistent

>>30802567
I thought breaking up with a girlfriend was illegal for gun owners. heh

>>30802537
>even if you were hand loading good match ammo is at least $1/rd.

He said brass casings you silly goose.

>>30802536
She wanted me buying other stuff but i couldnt pass up an ak. My ak is still with me while shes already with one of my 'friends'. It was a fairly easy choice, be pussywhipped or have an ak variant

>>30802584
>147 grain fmjbt
>200m
>0.25moa

that's a fantastic group, but 147gr isn't heavy enough to do any serious long range shooting. seems like a good deal though

>>30802649
no there is a 720 pack of these 308 cartridges sold by marstar. i might get it if i could get just one box to see how they shot in my barrel.

>>30802552

This is exactly what I was looking for.

Thank you.

>>30802734
I wouldn't be shooting past 500m anyways, 300m is already a pretty good distance, unrelated but with Czech surplus i can get 10rds in a 8in circle at 300m with my sks, i was fairly Suprised.

>>30802220
also how much did it cost you for shipping?

Any y'all niggas slingshit?

No reason for asking, just sounds like it might be a fun hobby.

>>30802755
yea real "match ammo" is made to reach out to 1000 metres, aka F-class range.

calling something "match ammo" nowadays is the firearm equivalent of "organic" lol

thanks for the tip on that ammo though anon i might give it a try in the ol' m1a


as an aside, if you're not shooting past 500m and are concerned about expenses, a .223 will reach out to 500m with acceptable accuracy if you know what youre doing.

>>30802815
I define match ammo as high quality, extremely consistent ammo, which is hard to find in surplus

>>30802815
Holistic is what organic is sold as meaning, when it really just means the pesticide used has carbon in it. kek

>>30802456
Mine are the plain 20/5 ones. Same as what came with my norinco m305

>>30802798
I killed a bird with one I made with shoelace and a oval pice of leather. Also fucked up the back board on my basketball net. This was back in grade 8, many years ago. You can throw rocks so hard they hum

>>30802759
I bought a few 50 round mags for the sks and a few hundred rounds of 308. I think it was the standard 25$ but I may be a little off

>>30794639
Honestly it was a fucking dick move on the RCMP's part. Although I was caught by an off duty OPP officer on the range with one (I honestly didn't know that they'd been banned) and he let me walk away with it, just told me that I had to get it pinned.

>>30802234
Just get a small digital key entry safe, should be around 40-60 bucks. They are pretty good, no law says it needs to be anchored or anything

>>30802879
>>30802915
okay great thanks a lot bud

>>30802931
When was that? I thought these changes were within the last couple weeks

>>30802954
Wednesday at Stittsville Shooting Range

Heh. Seems buying a 10-gun stack-on unit and a tiny pistol 'safe' would be cheaper than buying a 10-gun 'safe'. $50 seems okay for bulletproof compliance, just don't let them see that you leave it open 24/7. :^)

>>30802980
What an unfortunate name.

>>30793940
>>>/lgbt/ so you can continue to be a faggot

>>30802938
>>30802234
i'd recommend getting a pelican case and storing it in there.

you'll have to transport it anyway, and pelican cases make great range setups. you can get them used off of craigslist for ~$100

>>30802243
Yeah 3/8 is sized for air rifle scope, and those are always cheap as hell. Anything by a decent company should serve you well.

>>30802938
>>30802982

Either of you have a link to one of these $40-60 ones?

>>30803012

Or to this one?

Because that $99 one on Amazon doesn't look bad, but if I can save money I will.

>>30803033
I think marstar or somebody ships all their handguns in locking containers. I don't know about buying from marstar, though. Something about their website always puts me off.

>>30800988
You will get a blanket ATT (to any range, gunshop, or point of entry/exit) automatically after purchasing your first restricted firearm.

>>30801492
8-15"shotgun, sub2k. Maybe an SU-16 or Type97 if you wanted something with more range.

>>30801536
Have you read the RCMP legal standpoint its pretty strong actually still it was a dick move for them to ignore it for so long.

>>30802289
Needs no mods but it does rub against the BCG slightly.

>>30802716
Absolute Legend

>>30801492
That expression. She's had the gun for months and is just thrilled that she finally gets to light up a rapist.

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>>30802636
Not necessarily.

When you apply for/renew a PAL, the application asks if you've ever had a "breakdown of a significant relationship." If this bitch is willing to leave you over your choice of hobbies, then I wouldn't say that relationship was significant at all.

Then the application asks about your conjugal partners. A conjugal partner is defined as your spouse, or a partner with whom you live with. If you and your girlfriend live in separate places, this doesn't need to be filled out. Also, it only asks about conjugal partners that you've had within the past two years.

So let's say you've had a PAL for one year. PALs typically last 5 years. Let's say you do live with your girlfriend, but she dumps you around the one-year mark of your PAL. She's sick of your shit, packs her stuff, and leaves. Four years from now, when it's time to renew your PAL, you don't have to report shit, because you would've last had a conjugal partner "four years ago."

>>30803115
My CFSC and PAL experience might be a little odd. For the CFSC, it was booked as two days at the local trades school as the course/test for the first day, and the restricted challenge after. Basically the guy talked about guns for a bit, explained all the things that would be on the test, and we did it. There was some demented 90 year old-looking fella over in the corner who had a helper with him.

During the thing, the examiner asked me if I was going to do any hunting, and I said no, and he asked me if I was going to mow down anyone who gets in my way. What the fuck's that about. Anywho, fucking he makes us fill out the forms ourselves and correct each others' tests. No handling at all, and everyone passed. Second day was about the same, and everyone passed. I discussed legal loopholes with some hipster guy who said he was going to buy a beretta.

Flash to 3-4 years later, I finally get around to sending in my papers, which I'd initially lost and had to get repalced, luckily the school had some on file, and the wait began. At the 30th day mark or so I called in to ask them if they needed anything and etc, and they did a three-minute interview with my mother right there and said that would be it. I think for restricteds they're supposed to do two. They were really cutting corners at the time. About 40-45 days in I was issued the license.

On the application, which I'd marked in deranged chickenscratch in a moving vehicle, I said I'd had some anxiety problems and etc, but that it had mostly gone away and they didn't bother with a doctor's note.

You hear about some guys failing the test and shit, I can't imagine that, but then again I had no practical test. And fuckers waiting months for shit to be processed. Guess I had it easy. Oh, also the guy didn't know antiques were a class of firearm.

>>30802716

Yeah you made the right choice. When women start trying to control your wallet it's over.

Unless she wanted you to pay rent and food for your children and you blew it on guns, of course. There are always exceptions.

>>30802745

No problem man. Personally I'll probably go all in and get a proper safe and bolt it to the wall/floor. I'd feel bad if some tweaker robbed my place and ended up using my gun in a stick up or something. I tend to be overly cautious though.

>>30803115

However, if your girlfriend thinks you're dangerous (or is just a vindictive harpy) she can call the cops and tell them so. Then they will come and confiscate all of your shit while they investigate, and they do not need a warrant.

My inststructor guy suggested that if you're going through a breakup, just store your guns at the gun shop or a friends house or something so that everyone is safe and you don't have to go through a huge fucking hassle to get your property back.

>>30803267
- mother and grandmother as guarantors
- history of anxiety and medication
- history of cops being called to high school for allegedly saying I would go to it and shoot it up (someone misheard me)
- deranged, rushed lettering
- public intoxication arrests w/ unpaid fines
- probably on CSIS watch lists
- on welfare
- fucking i2p email address (they still have that on file, I should have it corrected)
- fucked, probably could have been invalidated CFSC papers because of inappropriate testing
- 500lbs

Top Peach, sir. Here's your handgun license.

>>30803326
I often completely forget people want to be safe about their firearms and responsible for their actions rather than just begrudgingly complying with statues.

>>30803326
>However, if your girlfriend thinks you're dangerous (or is just a vindictive harpy) she can call the cops and tell them so. Then they will come and confiscate all of your shit while they investigate, and they do not need a warrant.
To be fair, anyone can do that, not just your girlfriend.

If your neighbour is a cunt, she can do the same thing.
If your mom is a cunt, she can do the same thing.
If your sister is a cunt, she can do the same thing.
If your pencil-necked, turtleneck-wearing, NDP-voting roommate is a faggot, he can do the same thing.

>>30803326
No kids or rent, just wasnt happy i spent more on guns than i did on her and didnt save enough. But an investment is an investment, if i really had to i could sell that gun, make 1500$ profit and have enough for a 6 month trip anywhere. Or for another investment.

>>30803395
this is why i'm always warnign people in the canadabreads to be more lowkey about owning guns.

it's better if nobody knows you own them except your familia, otherwise shit can get cray

>>30803358

lel yeah I guess the latter is really more common. Personally I'm lucky enough to live somewhere that I'm not worried about having rapid access to my firearms for defence, so deep storage will give me the most peace of mind. Even burglary is a distant concern but its' much more likely than a home invasion where I'd need to shoot someone.

>>30803395

You're right, this is important to note.

>>30803409

Good advice. Some work friends know I took the course and am considering getting into target shooting, but I've resolved to not say anything further. No one will know other than my family and close friends. People are weird about guns for some reason. It used to be so normal, now everyone gets nervous when they hear the word. Cuck nation.

>>30803409
It can be interesting when people know you have guns. Ive have criminals and people who shouldn't own guns try to buy stuff off me and ive found those types only want handguns or shotguns and know next to nothing about them, told one i cant sell him a glock but i can legally sell him a .41lc antique revolver but 2k is too much for a broke as criminal, offer to sell a 577 snider with ammo, "can i saw that off man?" Some stupid motherfuckers, then literally a week or 2 after they talk to me their in jail, and usually i tell them theyre gonna go jail.

>>30803267
>>30803335

This is reassuring to me, because about three years back I was having some weird episodes where my heart would start pounding for no apparent reason. It freaked me out a bit so I went for a bunch of tests, all of them came back negative. When I went back to the doctor he said "well, sounds like you just have some anxiety then, have some SSRIs". I filled the prescription but then I said "no, fuck that, I'm just going to calm the fuck down" and never took any of them. Sure enough I had no problems after that.

But in a year or so my PAL/RPAL renewal is coming due and now I'm worried they're going to disqualify me or something. Also my doctor retired so I don't know how the fuck they'd get ahold of him anyways.

How worried should I be lads?

>>30803409
>it's better if nobody knows you own them except your familia, otherwise shit can get cray
Actually, many of my coworkers know that I own guns, but the company itself is largely pro-gun. We employ a lot of ex-military, and being that it's a blue-collar industry, we don't have any tumblrinas working for us.

However, I'm finding that my family is a lot more problematic. Especially my dad. He isn't anti-gun, but he's just really dumb. He's always using "My son has guns" as a conversation starter, and it's frankly quite annoying. Even my actual NDP-voting SJW sister is more respectful about it than he is.

>>30803477
You're lucky that you didn't take them. They fuck up your brain permanently. I was too stupid to look it up beforehand.

>>30803506

Yeah as soon as I looked up the side effects I noped the fuck out.

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>>30803396
I should also add she got pissed i spent so much time engineering a bunker

>>30803587

Short sighted af.

You're better off without her.

>>30803587
>entrance doesn't have a 90 degree curve to block gamma rads

>wooden door

enjoy dying in your root cellar

>>30803033
Just google digital keypad safe, Walmart has cheap ones, or prices auto, peavy mart, Home Depot....

>>30803615
bend*

>>30803587
>shit hits the fan
>you have a bunker to hide in
>hear a knock on your door
>"Anon, it's me, open up!"
>it's the voice of your ex-girlfriend
>well, she did dump you because of this bunker, so it's no surprise that she knows about it
>you stand there, contemplating
>do you do the right thing and let her in?
>or do you let this bitch who broke your heart get her comeuppance?
>"Anon, it's me, hurry up!"
>waaaaaaaaaait a minute
>you choose to yell back
>"Nice try, Skinwalker! I won't be fooled that easily!"
>Subsist on hardtack, Mountain House, and Ivan's Spicy Nuts for the rest of your days

>>30803115
Answer no to all of these questions. Or be a retard

>>30803615
The door is steel and weighs close to 100lbs. And its a skooma den

>>30803358
That's why I have a seprate safe for my mags and my ammo is downstairs, not a rule, but I don't wanna get shot with my own gun if I come home while Jamal has cut into my safe.

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>>30803635

>>30802798
when I was 10 my dad gave me some killer slingshot. it had this wrist strap so you could really pull it back and fire a mean shot. we would hunt rabbits with it. lost the dang thing but I want to buy another.

>>30803587
I love the progress buddy. Would love to see it one day. I have always wanted to do something similar. One day I will bury a storage container.

>>30803631
>no solid salt slugs with cute little cast silver cross penetrators from your murder holes

also if skinwalkers are real, necromancy probably is too

kill it and do every kind of eldritch ritual you can and pre-emptively skeletonize yourself

>>30803686
I think you can just buy the rubber and make the rest yourself quite easily. Get a lot more power, too.

Can someone tell me what goes on at the ontario CFO after I finish my CFSC? do they conduct background checks or do they literally just review my test and stamp/send it back. I did that shit like 5 weeks ago and I'm still waiting. It cannot possibly take this long. what if the shitty postal service lost it? I sent my application when I did the test so im just waiting for the damn test results so I can fax them.

>>30803747
What are you expecting to happen if you didn't send them the CFSC papers?

>>30803747
Yeah they review and send it back usually takes max 2 weeks contact the CFSC first to see what happened.

>>30803635
>no interior hydraulic actuator

good luck suffocating when a tree falls on that door in a thunderstorm.

look up 'oklahoma tornado shelter' for more info about how to make your shelter actually safe

>>30801951
I just started lurking /k/ any deets on this meetup also i cant find a decent crown land map. Closest i saw was Edson?

>>30803944
You do know who i am right? Im moleman

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>>30795851
>>30795903
>>30796016
if you put a pistol grip on the 12 or 8.5 inch grizzly, it's no longer NR
>am I the only one even trying here?

>>30795851
>>30796030
also, mag fed grizzly is far, FAR less reliable than pump, just a note for anyone thinking about shotgun for Hunting Ducks
>I assume that is what you guys meant by HD, since hunting and spots shooting are the only two legitimate reasons to have a firearm in Canada

>>30804039
*forgot collectors, collecting is the third valid reason, before someone starts sperging

>>30804039
I cc'd one with a pistol grip in a shoulder holster

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>>30794771
I fucking hate when cops play dressup

YOU'RE NOT FUCKING SOLDIERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>30804039
>>30804080
I think my course instructor said she knew someone who got through with "preparing for zombie apocalypse" as a reason, but no guarantees with that one.

Sorry if I missed it in this thread, where & when is this AB meet ? Deadmontonian checking in

>>30804134
Its invite only drop and email

>>30802473
where did you get the chicom rig? and what Russian knock off are you referring to?
also, neat camo job on the VZ, better pics?

Incompetent as fuck Canada Post. Ask for Card on pickup sp that I can just pick it up after work today and now they're telling me it won't be at the post office until Tuesday.

Fuck Canada post. I hope they don't win anything in the negotiations.

>>30804159
any way to get in touch without posting my email on 4chan ?

>>30804209

not affiliated but just get a throwaway hotmail account.

>>30804209
Give me your ssn and ill mail you the details

>>30803773
you can send your application without CFSC papers to start the 28 day waiting period then fax the papers when you get them mate

>>30804236
you mean my SIN? sure its 123 456 789.
5-10 business days i take it.

>>30804326
why don't you give him your Canmore mailing address, while you're at it?! jesus, Mike, c'mon!

>>30804442
This isn't Mike, sold him a couple of pellet guns though

It would be cool if objectivity existed in an objective context in an objective paradigm without any other kinds of subjective sandboxes. I guess it would be pretty hard to find.

>>30804039
>if you put a pistol grip on the 12 or 8.5 inch grizzly, it's no longer NR
You have 30 days to register it, I changed my mind and put the stock back on after a few days.

>>30804039
I don't care. I'll buy it without the PGO, then just swap it on when I feel like a bit of fun. PGOs are generally useless otherwise.

On the mag-fed note, how shit is it? I prefer the tube, but I'd be a bit twitchy about a court trying to use the "loading speed" argument against me.

>>30805187
I have three mag fed ones different generations. Never had a failure to feed.

>>30805187
Mine's been ok, just 3" choke it up. Most 2 3/4" are fine.

I love mag fed shit. Real nice for drivin in the back roads while being compliant

>>30805222
I heard something like that. Like it says it accepts 3", but doesn't, really.

How badly do the cartridges deform in the larger magazines? Which would be ballistically more useful, buckshot or foster slugs?

>>30805285
Exactly. I've had it stutter on 2 3/4" slugs that have slightly longer roll crimps than petal crimps on regular buckshot or birdshot shells.

>>30805286
if you can get every pellet to hit the target, buckshot. if you're outside of 25 metres you'll want the slug

tt-33 for HD or pay a lot more for a p762 or something else with a rail to accept a light

Guys, I'm having trouble remembering a website that sells guns.

It's Canada-based. I remember the majority of the website being grey in colour, and they mostly sell the following:
>old war rifles
>dewats (like, lots and lots of them; they probably have more dewats than anything else)
>a bit of consignment stuff
>little to no modern/tactical stuff

It's not Marstar. The website was much more well-designed than Marstar, and Marstar has a black/white colour scheme anyway. Once against, the site I'm remembering used a lot of grey.

>>30805412
Off the top of my head
https://www.tradeexcanada.com/
http://psmilitaria.50megs.com/
http://www.collectorssource.com/

>>30805425
>http://www.collectorssource.com/
YES, it's this one! Thank you so much, Anon!

>>30805442
Watch out they may have alot of old stuff but they price gouge the shit out of some things.

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>>30805425
>http://psmilitaria.50megs.com/
>that Lee Enfield on consignment for $12,000

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>>30804167
The Chicom was given to me as a gift. you can find them for $20-$30 on Ebay or Amazon.
>link related is the Russian D3.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MBC-Russian-D3-Tactical-Chest-Rig-Ranger-Green-/321997045177

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>>30805187
>how shit is it?
not shit, but a fairly substantial amount of people complain abut how unreliable it can be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-Svw4L_wrk&t=7m28s

some say you have to feed it high-brass ammo
some say it's a mag issue
some say that 870 was just not designed to run flawlessly as a mag platform

>>30806652
*start the video at 7:30 mark for the outtakes, which are basically all the thins they didn't put into the first 7 min of the tacticool hi-speee lo-draaa edit

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>>30793940
>being this new
>kill yourself at the next available convenience, eh?

>>30805821
nice, thanks for the info
like the camo, what did you use to paint it? and jelly of the setup, guess you got the NEA handguard mount before they discontinued it
>no idea why, no other cowitness options out there.
speaking of which, how do you like it, is that holosun, how well does it hold up in this setup?

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>>30806775
The camo is done with krylon camo colours and some butcher string. Bonesteel arms makes a low VZ hand guard, I doubt they ship to Canada though.
http://bonesteelarms.com/Bonesteel-Arms-VZ-58-Railed-Handguards-BSAVZ58hgset.htm
As for optics this rifle has been through two bushnell TRS-25 sights in less than a year. I switched to the Hollowsun and it has been a huge improvement.

>>30806912
ooh, that sucks, I guess TRS-25 isn't as tough as reviews make it out to be, I thought it was supposed to be bang for your buck type of deal, but I guess not
which holosun is that?

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>>30807051
Yeah one stopped holding zero and the objective lense fell out of the other. I also found it didn't adjust high enough for bright days. I was going to go to Aimpoint but i thought I'd give Holosun a shot. after 3000 rounds I'am glad i went with Holosun.

>>30807141
Oh, and I think its the HS403GL Red Dot.

>>30807141
>>30807173
neat, the only other thing I heard of in that price range that seems similarly well-built is the primary arms red dot, but I don't think anyone in Canada carries it
>tfw live nowhere near innawoods

>>30807242
I suspect the Primary Arms red dot is made in the same factory.

Hey,

I am an international student in Canada. I've been living here for 8 years, 25 years old, and I have renewed my study permit with Citizenship and Immigration Canada 4 times with no issues whatsoever.

I am awaiting graduation this November and I am currently applying for a post graduation work permit. My plan is to gain 1 year of work experience so that I can then apply for permanent residence under the Express entry program.

I am a temporary resident of Canada. Can I apply for a PAL yet? Or am I shot out of luck until I get PR?

Thanks

>>30807277
You can apply for a PAL as a non-resident, but you will find that it's easier to apply as a permanent resident.

As a non-resident, you might have to get a character reference letter from your police to prove that you're not shady. If it's been 8 years since you last went to your country, this might not be easy.

>>30807293
Here we go, this is what it actually says on the PAL application form.

Looks like you will need a letter of good conduct from your country's police. It also has to be written in English or French, in the police department's official letterhead.

>>30807293
By my police, do you mean the police of the place I live (North Vancouver, BC) or the country I am a citizen of?

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>>30807309
And because I'm such a dicksucking faggot, I forgot to attach the pic.

>>30807309
>>30807314
Oh, okay... hmm... I've been here for 8 years, during which I have only been back to my country for no more than one month about 7 times. Last time I visited was this past December for 2 weeks.

>>30807315
For a PAL, is permanent resident and temporary resident the same? If so, I have been a temporary resident for 8 years, the pic you posted states that regulation is for people who became new residents 5 years ago or less.

>>30807324
God, I sure hope your country's police department can speak English.

I wonder how many keks the RCMP has when they get a reference letter for a foreign applicant.
>Yes herro, we am Glorious Malaysian Police Force
>We am here to confirm that Binbin Weibong, is not criminal
>Thank you please
>-Sgt. Salampat Satatatatay

>>30807331
PR and temp are not the same thing.

What the pic is trying to say is that when you finally get your PR, you would still have to get that letter if it's been less than 5 years since getting PR.

>>30807342
Eh... to be quite honest. I was born in Mexico. I hate that country and that is why I decided to move and study here when I was 17. I feel ashamed of my citizenship, so I always try to not mention it unless needed.

I am not sure, but chances are they don't speak English. Fuck...

>>30807364
Actually, if you're Mexican, I'd say your chances are good.

The average village officer might not be able to speak English for shit, but the higher-ups with desk jobs should be more than able to.

I'm sure you know about your country better than I do, but I've been to it before. Even some of the dirt-poor people speak English at an understandable level.

>>30803409
No can do-ski. I don't go out of my way, but I'll tell people if I trust them enough and it comes up. Of course I'm not an autist and can talk to people without angering them or making them think I'm insane. I had a wonderful chat at work with a co-worker who does a lot of IPSC today.

I'm really kike-fatigued regarding Levant, but there's a petition here: http://www.HandsOffOurGuns.ca

His work on the HRC is kind of important I guess.

>>30807242
This >>30807275 Holosun is just the Canada branding for the red dot line, they are branded primary arms in the US.
Also primary arms magnified optics are just called primary arms here.

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SURRENDER YOUR MAGAZINES

POSSESSION IS A CRIME. You must surrender your magazines. You are ready guilty. You must SUBMIT TO PROCESSING and repay your debt to society.

You are a DANGEROUS CRIMINAL. You are not a law abiding citizen. Law abiding citizens DO NOT PROSSESS PROHIBITED ITEMS. The rule of law will be upheld. You WILL SUBMIT TO PROCESSING.

Canada WILL be safe again.

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>>30808758
Friendly reminder to any of you Bourkeminds.

Wrong. Primary Arms is their own business in the US. They used to have what is now known as Holosun make their red dots. Eventually Holosun realized it would be better to go and make their own line of red dots and sell em themselves. Make all that $$$$$$

They still produce the Primary Arms dots, but PA also sells Holosun. Marshall of PA is quite open about the business relationship and promoting Holosun garbage.

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>>30807364

>just kidding anon

>>30808780
if they both made the same thing at the same factory, why is holosun garbage? aren't people making holosun now basically responsible for the reputation of quality primary arms enjoys, since they were the ones originally making it

>>30809106
Materials, qa/qc plans, etc.

>>30809638
same people made, following same qa/qc, at the same factory, with the same materials, based on the plans provided, except now it's not just contract work and they have a further vested interest in the product succeeding

>>30809773
Or since they are not being paid extra to follow the same qa/qc they cut a few corners to make a few more shekkels

>>30809809
>quality of product now tied directly into their profit margin
>now take in all of the profit from the product
>not paid extra
I get that all internet arguments must be won, but you're just grasping now, guy

>>30809106
Interested. What makes you think they're so bad?

>>30809918

Youre fairly educated when it comes to manufacturing runs and qa/qc? Or are you going off of common sense?

>>30810151
the other guy is the one calling them garbage, I'm saying they are of equal and pretty good for the money quality

>>30810282
>the burden of proof is on you
nope
>implying I'm going off "common sense" while concocting hypotheticals about how they probably cutting corners because possibly they only care about short term gain and not their product succeeding
wew lad

>>30810390
My bad linked the wrong comment just bought one the other week and only seen maybe 2 poor reviews for them. One of which was surprised that it didn't work well after being frozen in a block of ice.

>>30810483
which model did you get and what's the intended use, if you don't mind me asking?
and yeah, people who want to replicate the extremes of torture testing done by the manufacturers are retarded -- what situation do you intend to find yourself in that you would want to make double-sure than your red dot would work after being frozen in a solid block of ice?
>hey, we found this dead hunter, dude was frozen solid in a lake, but guess what, the optic on his gun still works and there is a note on his body saying he knew it would too!

>>30810592
sasuga primary arms

>>30800203
Because I like the classic Shotgun pumps and I like being able to put a round in the chamber my self.

Would it still work fine without the return spring?

>>30810592
I got the lowest of the low the 403a just because i'm not really into optics at all and really prefer irons. I'd rather be out 200 than much more on any other reliable red dot optic.

>>30810658
*Typing fast because inbetween rounds only paid 150

>>30810658

150 is not a bad price, online?
my only gripe with 403a is the built-in riser, which makes it far less versatile in my opinion than the low models with optional risers
and yeah, aimpoint would be nice, but if you're not made of money or have more important obligations to take care of, bang for the buck is nothing to be ashamed of

>>30810961
Online from CanAm they had a flash sale last week on them and i needed to make an order for other stuff.
Its still in the mail but the description said lower 1/3 and low mount included.

>>30804105
I hate when normies try to tell cops how to dress REEEEEEEEEEE.

Why wouldn't they dress like soldiers when door kicking? The picture you posted is of an Emergency Response Team that deals with situations ranging from door kicking and pumping lead into Russian gangster to hunting shooters through the woods.

Soldiers dress the way they do because it is the most effective and practical way of doing their dangerous job. ERT team members are no exception.

>>30811061
What's the scarf thing for?

>>30808758
I get your post was for comedic effect, but these post are always a miss to me. Most police officers in Canada especially those on tactical teams like the one in the picture you posted are very into firearms. These people do that job with typically no extra pay and are on call whether on-duty or off.

They sign up for that shit because they love guns, training and high speed operating. You have to, or else the specialization is not worth it.

>>30811138
Looking bad ass? Protecting identity when raiding high risk targets? Wiping the sweat from your eye brows and grimey body because you're running around in 40 lbs of battle rattle in 30 degree weather?

>>30811164
>Canada especially those on tactical teams like the one in the picture you posted are very into firearms.

The people who like killing others and ordering you around are the last people who belong having firearms.

>>30811182
>a scarf is good in 30 degree weather

>>30811215
>The people who like killing others and ordering you around are the last people who belong having firearms.

You just generalized tens of thousands of people based upon a single factor, their occupation. Don't try to act like you know their reasons for becoming a peace officer, because frankly you don't. You come across to me as one of those angsty individuals that have issues with and form of authority.

>>30811215
Yes, a scarf is VERY good in 30 degree weather. Why the fuck do you think a keffiyeh or shemagh exists? Have you never seen pictures of soldiers and journalists in the middle eastern deserts wearing scarves?

>>30811250
>SOME cops don't like doing their job

okay you got me matey I guess I'm wrong #notallcops

>You come across to me as one of those ... individuals that have issues with an(y?) form of authority.

I am an anarchist and don't believe a human should have authority over another, in any form.

>>30811268
Completely fucking different. Go out right now in a wool scarf and see if it helps you. They're wearing it to look scary.

>>30811326
They're not wearing a wool scarf you faggot. It's a neck tube scarf likely made of cotton. THAT is "fucking different".

>They're wearing it to look scary.

Look guys, a real mind reader! What an uncanny ability you have to discern a person's personal motivations through a neutral picture. Because you know, tube scarves definitely aren't commonly used for wiping away sweat from your face in the summer or anything.

>Completely fucking different

Care to elaborate on that? Or will you just be as vague and anecdotal as usual?

>>30811164
this

we don't have a fucking police problem in Canada, and if you think we do, you need to take a few days off /pol/ (or wherever you get your US shitdisturber propaganda)
>I would add "or move out of the ghetto" for comedic effect, but even our "ghettos" are vanilla as fuck compare to US and cops act civilized there too (back in high school had a friend who lived right next to worst TO projects area, lots of patrols there but never undue harassment)

>>30811527
>tube scarves definitely aren't commonly used for wiping away sweat from your face in the summer or anything.

hahahahahahahahahaha I've never seen one in my 26 years on this planet so I'll just take your word for it

>>30811569
>we don't have a fucking police problem in Canada

>RCMP literally corrupt and making up laws, hate gun owners, CFO's doing the same thing

I'd say go back to plebbit, but even they know the score.

I was talking with my CFSC instructor who said that the Liberals are trying to ban paramilitary weapons (SKS, AR-15).

I was planning on getting a Ruger 10/22 as my first gun, but should I be buying these soon-to-be outlawed guns before they get outlawed? How urgent is it?

Thanks guys.

>>30811631
You don't sound like outlaw material.

>>30811631
Not super urgent right now, but an AR-15 lower is $100 and SKS can be found for $200 so its not like they're going to be hard to get if news breaks.

>>30811631
It's more complicated than that. The upper echelons of the RCMP have a list of guns they don't like and want prohibited (the SKS and Tavor are on it, but not the AR-15). There are factions in the Liberal party who want Australian style gun laws in Canada. Currently neither has the ear of the Prime Minister or his associates.

The problem is that the Liberals are taking a "hands off" approach to letting the RCMP deal with guns. That's where the 10/22 mag issues come in. The argument is that as the RCMP are the experts, they should make the decisions.

I don't think it's safe to say "they'll ban x,y,z" as an absolute statement.

But if you want to buy an SKS, go ahead and do so. They aren't that pricey.

>>30811628
administration/top brass being antis because they think it makes everyone's job safer is very far from "all cops hate gun owners and want everyone to live in a police state", edgelord
most regular cops that make up the bulk of the force are pro legal gun ownership or neutral, as far as civilians are concerned

>>30811631

I remember right after Orlando the media went absolutely nuts shitting on an MP who had been trying to make AR-15s unrestricted.

It was so fucking transparent it made me sick.

>>30804105
>>30811061
This will sound stupid, because it probably is, but I don't mind them wearing the equipment- I'd just prefer that they have traditional police blue colors while doing it.

>>30811596
I noticed you never explained how a tube scarf is "completely fucking different" from a shemagh.

> I've never seen one in my 26 years on this planet so I'll just take your word for it

Civvies don't use them because they have no need for them. Bikers, Police and Soldiers that need it to be easily accessible use them. Civvies would sooner just wipe their sweaty face with their shirt.

There is a reason that tube scarves were given to many Canadian units during their deployment to Afghanistan.

>>30811628
>RCMP literally corrupt and making up laws

How stupid are you to believe that patrol constables that you see on the streets are actually making laws? Also, citation needed on this "corruption".

>hate gun owners
Many police officers ARE gun owners. If you actually took the time to speak with police officers on their thoughts about gun ownership like I have, you would see that most either don't give a shit or are pro-gun. You of course would rather sit in your basement stroking your SKS with your victim complex keeping you company.

>>30811701
I get Liberals hating guns because they are ideology-driven politicians, but why does the RCMP hate certain guns? Canada doesn't have a gun violence problem.

OK last night I got very helpful advice on what kind of a safe I can get away with for a handgun, and I'll probably be heading out to Staples to pick up a glorified cash drawer today. Many thanks.

I'm still wondering what the actual process is for actually buying the gun, and how the STATT process actually works.

If anyone could give me a quick greentext of how the process usually goes that would be much appreciated.

>>30811731
I see your point, but from my perspective, blues could unnecessarily endanger their life. Emergency Response Teams will become involved in manhunts through forests and shit. An example of this is Justin Bourque. Why should the cops have to lumber their way through the woods in a dark silhouetted colour that only makes them more visible because someone's feelings might be hurt? I tend to value our peace officers lives a little more than someone's feelings about the clothes THEY are wearing.

>>30811733
Some of the top brass are more politicians than police- I guess they just like power. Also, they are probably ideologically opposed to gun ownership as well.

>>30811719
>because they think it makes everyone's job safer

>most regular cops that make up the bulk of the force are pro legal gun ownership or neutral, as far as civilians are concerned

Now who's generalizing, bootlicker?

>>30811732

>tube scarves definitely aren't commonly used for wiping away sweat from your face in the summer or anything.
>Civvies don't use them because they have no need for them. Bikers, Police and Soldiers that need it to be easily accessible use them.

So they aren't commonly used at all. Thank you for your correction.

>How stupid are you to believe that patrol constables that you see on the streets are actually making laws?

How stupid are you to believe RCMP == patrol constable and not the ones making up laws in a discussion about the RCMP making up laws? Holy shit.

>Many police officers ARE gun owners.

No shit, that's part of their job. And I won't talk to them, because my interests and theirs are irreconcilably different. I am the undesirable, and they are the boot. It could be argued that one should do it to gain insight on how better to avoid them, but I'm not on a Kevin Mitnick trip and I've heard of google.

>>30811753
Call CFP Mon-Friday with the date, time, location start/end, serials of firearms and reason you want to the STATT for.
Wait for STATT to arrive via method of your choice email, fax, post etc.
(Print) STATT and carry it on the day you are transporting.

The only real reason to use an STATT these days is for first purchase or borrowing someones R firearm.

>>30811816

>The only real reason to use an STATT these days is for first purchase or borrowing someones R firearm.

Well since this would be first purchase I guess I'd still need one.

But what you're saying is if I want to take the gun to the range I won't need to fill another one out?

>>30811816
Far as I know, if the gun is shipped to you, you don't need any kind of ATT.

>>30811781
In that case, have a couple uniforms- one for emergencies within an urban area, and another for rural work. They could be provided with two different equipment loadouts to go with both, as some equipment will be more useful in a building clearing operation versus being out in a woodland.

But for me it isn't just feelings but rather that we not conflate our police with a paramilitary organization. This is more than simple emotions and goes right to the heart of how our government and citizenry interact.

>>30811835
Yes you would need a separate one for each round trip to the range until you updated RPAL arrives. Which should be around the same time as the registration papers you need to take the firearm to the range arrives.

>>30811816
>>30811928

Christ, this is why I haven't bothered getting a restricted firearm before now. So much unnecessary paperwork.

So since I'm planning to buy the gun from the store, I guess I have to go once (or call them I guess) to find the serial number, and then again to actually pick the thing up once my authorization comes through?

>>30811982
Just call the store and find out if they can efile STATT for you.

>>30811326
>I am an anarchist
>We just have to destroy all forms of government
>Foreign countries won't move to take the now ungoverned land
>There won't be people who take control of others by force
>Everyone will just hold hands and sing kumbayah

>>30811843
The very nature of an ERT is that it is "paramilitary". It is a specialized unit that has been deemed necessary ever since the Hollywood shootout where police were not able to respond a militaristic attack against them.

What you have described is fairly impractical and rankly ineffective. The advantage that blues provide in an urban environment are next to nil since ERTs in urban areas typically amount to door kicking and room clearing. The police force would see no point in dishing out thousands of extra dollars for each individual officer to give them two identical kits and loadouts that provide little to no benefit.

"Sorry Sergeant, I forgot all my ammo in my blues in the trunk of my cruiser. Can we hold off the raid for like 2 mins while I run and get it?"

>>30812195
Makes sense, every anarchist I've ever met has either been a full-blown SJW or an edgelord who thinks they'd somehow rise to rule over the ruins of society.

If these people want to see anarchy firsthand, they should move to central Africa.

>>30812195
>>30812304

Some of us believe it's unethical to try to control people, or alter them to your will. :^)

including governments

including our government (since you need that explained to you)

Additionally, most people who call themselves anarchists are really just intellectually stunted fascists with no self-awareness. I don't know what the thing the first of you is describing where you think an anarchist wants control over others. I guess I need a new special snowflake term for how I feel.

>>30811809
>drawing a distinction between different groups within a group
>generalizing
we are nearly out of "wew lad" and into "woah buddy" territory