Beginner Thread

and be sure to check this guys photos, there are many amazing animal pictires:
http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=768656

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[Reposting this because I fucked it up at the end of the last thread]

Usually a lurker, stumbled upon the head study thread, and after reviewing some of the materials that were posted there, I took at stab at my first head.

Should I continue my artistic ventures? It felt fun.

(And I know, fuck the rendering until I get the basics. I was just messing around with it.)

>>2285044
>Should I continue my artistic ventures? It felt fun.
Yes and don't worry about what anybody else says yet. Just draw, keep drawing, and keep trying to learn. Focus on quantity over quality right now, don't get too hung up over when you make mistakes, and just keep drawing.

>>2285044
>Should I continue my artistic ventures?
no, just kill yourself, unless you resize your image next time

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Holy fuck why always these animal shits? Fuck animals. I hope the chinese start eating chameleons. Here is a picture of a human for study.

>>2285087
because its assumed that you are drawing pages and pages of humans every day already, so there is no need to have yet another one in the beginner threads. also its supposed to take people like you out of your comfort zone

>>2285087
There is the Study Thread for that

>>2285096
So apparently the "human form so complex" thing is just a meme and artists study human form for YEARS just to troll people and stay in their comfort zone. Nobody fucking draws these shitty pictures. Not too long ago the beginner threads always had one normal fucking picture for people to draw. Tons of people drew it because it was a normal portrait or a figure that they would be drawing anyway and you could compare your work to other people. Now you kikes post these retarded pictures that maybe 3 people are going to draw because nobody cares about the subject.

>>2285106
please go and stay go >>2251948

>>2285109
fuck off

>>2285050
>>2285071

So I'm assuming it's not any good?

>>2285087

I'd much rather have animal studies in the OP than human shit every time.
There's no fucking shortage of resources for human references.

Is the Art Academy series a good start for someone who wants to get back into drawing?

>>2285114
Google "chameleons" you kike. It's not about shortage of resources but having a picture that BEGINNERS will draw. Last 5 or so threads were mostly animal references and some trees, maybe 4 people actually drew that shit, so what's the point?

>>2285121
This. I just started drawing and these past few OPs have been pretty daunting. A car, weird-ass shaped animals, Kind of hard to start with these.

>>2285145
humans are way harder

>>2285145

Get out of your comfort zone. That alone is a skill, so dont get stressed out if your pic isnt the way you want it. If you could get everything new down in one try you wouldnt be human, you'd be a photocopier

Where can I sell my paintings in person? I live near NYC but I have no idea what to do (it would be a 30 minute bus ride on a good day from where I live). I have a few pieces ranging in size from 9 x 12 in. to 24 x 36 or 24 x 48. I tried a local "art show" but it ended up being this family event with local bands, some food, and a small wall of 5 different "artists" including myself. I was hoping for more of a gallery tier thing but it was not even on par with a flea market.

Any advice? Should I try selling online? Painting is the only thing that helps with the emotional instability. I don't know where to start, 19 years old, poor, and no friends. Parents aren't fond of the idea and hate it when I get paint on the walls and floor, going to be cleaning that tomorrow. Were moving to a smaller one bedroom apartment (five people) in NY by December 1st.

>no matter how many times I do drawing on the right side of the brain I go right back to symbols.

why

>>2285163
post an example of your work so i can help you

>>2285170
I don't have a scanner. It's worse than >>2285044

>>2285156
pls help

>>2285172
i dont care take a picture its better than nothing

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>>2285177

>>2285182

I assume that's from a reference. Post that too. I am a beginner as well, so take this with a grain of salt. Maybe it will help.

Try to break everything down into lines, always measure angles and lengths. Hold your pencil up to the ref and then the drawing with one eye closed. Is the angle the same? Is the length the same? Use Negative space, especially for eyes. It makes it easier to get the ratio of the whites to the iris down. You've drawn the eyes way larger than they would be, and I made that mistake a lot in the past too.

Another tip to see differences is look between your ref and your drawing rapidly.

Form is defined by changes in value. Learning to see value as you've learned to see lines in Bettys book will help you a lot. I found I symbol drew a lot when I got overwhelmed by a values or couldn't really understand them.

I hope that helps.

is it possible to achieve realistic skin tones with gradient maps?

>>2285216
pardon?

>>2285216
Don't do that. Never do that.

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from previous thread. i think i did okay.

>>2285034

I want to into oil painting
Should I just marathon Bob Ross or no?

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hips

>>2285315
looks good, just watch the guy he's not planted in the scene correctly

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morning lads.

>>2285463
you tried/10

>>2285463
how many days did it took? (you are supposed to be able to do this in like 5min tops)

>>2285523
several. because ive been distracted lately.

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>>2285527
>>2285463
pls help.

>>2285601
if you clean it up properly ill redline you.

>>2285620
k

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can i get a critique pls?

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>>2285620
how the hell do you keep your hand from shaking while drawing.my 'linework' feels so fucking wobbly

>>2285655
Adjust your stabiliser settings and stop shaking your hand like your grandma on Parkinson's

>>2285658
man , i cant help it.

>>2285655
How you get such clean lines?

>>2285660
Draw in quick, successive strokes. Don't scrawl and spend 5 hours drawing a single line. The more time you spend doing that, the more squiggly it gets.

Use the natural curve of your wrist to make smooth curves as well. Practice moar.

>>2285630
Looks lanky, doesnt feel like is standing in space. Look up anatomy in your case women anatomy references and compare it to your drawing and you would spot the mistakes. When you are starting as a beginner steer away from drawing from imagination cause it comes out looking shitty but rather use references so you have something to compare it too, instead of making it up as you go. Redo and this time look at references if you dint know how somehting looks like.

>>2285655

Im not the guy who said he would redline you but I'll give you some of my advice.

Your cleaned up version is actually worse than your rough version. You were on the right track using a 3d shape to form the nose, and then you completely flattened it. You also lost all your line weights. You need to remember/ learn the very basic proportions of the face. For example, in your image you start with a circle. If you start with a circle, you divide the circle in half and the bottom of the face is another half circle down, then you chop off the sides of the circle. Just from looking at your construction, the circle is not divided in the middle (too low) and the chin is not carried down another half length of the circle, and you left on the sides of the circle, leaving you with a VERY wide face. You should be able to fit one eye length between the eyes, and just another half eye length to the side of the face on either side. The bend in the jaw to the chin is often even with the mouth or below, not right below the ears. Eyebrows are low on men and high on women, yours are too high, too arched, and stick out too far past the eye to be male eyebrow. Very simple proportional stuff. Ears are pretty much flat against the head, they don't stick out that much. Usually they are more like long rectangles than the typical ear shape you are drawing (this is also showing that you are symbol drawing).

Keep drawing you got a long way to go. Maybe watch some proko videos on the face? You NEED to learn proportion.

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HOW HAVE I MADE IT WORSE HOW

>>2285692
by chicken scratching and generally trying to do stuff that's out of your league, as well as creating stuff with the intention to show it on /ic/ instead of just studying relentlessly for hours on end.

What are some tips on figuring out where the vanishing points are when they're extremely far apart and what do you do to make sure you keep all lines of the vps stay consistent?

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Any tips on lips? I could never get them right

>>2285692

Eyes should be wider apart. Use a reference and re-draw the eyes because they're awful. Either go realistic with the thing or look at some stylized eyes and study how people actually stylize them. They're not lemons with big lines around them.

Your nose is too low, it should end halfway between the brow and chin. Get rid of the lines coming down from his eyebrows.

Mouths don't look like that, and you can only get away with that in a really simplistic style. Like the eyes, take a look at some references.

The whole general shape of the head is wonky, but you're probably going for some anime shit so whatever. You'd be better off studying real skull shapes.

Honestly, you should just work on realistic studies for a while, it would help you a lot more than this.

>>2285746
K. reading loomis. bye

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>>2285692

I'm mainly a traditional artist but I thought this might help you. Noobs helping noobs etc.

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what am i doing wrong?

>>2285762
I Like it. Just resize next time

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Quite the noob here, trying to draw faces/heads.

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>>2285822

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>>2285823

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>>2285827
hand

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>>2285620
>>2285655
Quick Red

>>2285757
>>2285839
Fucking wasted my time didnt see another faggot covered the red.

>>2285822
>>2285823
>>2285827
>>2285831
Try some loomis and less aliens, anon

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Hey guise!

I'm new here and also beginner at drawing.
Any kind of critique for my project would be higly appreciated.

>>2285844
>more loomis
yeah, thanks

>>2285787
thanks, i'll do it next time, it was my first upload so i didn't knew how

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What am I doing wrong?

>>2285995
not rotating and resizing your picture

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>>2286004
>>2285995
Sorry, didn't realize phone uploads were so crappy.

>>2285463
>>2285463
>>2285601
>>2285655
Man it's so obvious you're learning from Sycra. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it seems like you're just trying to copy his "quirks" or tricks or whatever without trying to understand the reason for them.

>>2286113
any crits on this, I must be color blind cause I cant do color, kinda gave up half way, was turning to shitty.

>>2286113
>>2286117
looking rather nice! but be sure not to use the soft brush all the time, it makes everything look blurry. also try to avoid having the ouside outlines of the object lighter than the background , it gives it a fucked up glow

>>2286148
Yea I see what you mean about the glow, fresh pair of eyes do make a difference, I didnt even notice the glow, I'll try to lay off the soft brush, thanks for the crit.

>>2285660

What's wrong? Are you anxious? Stop being so timid. Try to have some fun. If you're hung up because you're going to post it just tell yourself that you're not showing anyone and it's private study (which I recommend). Do quick studies and draw a little smaller. You really shouldn't focus on one thing over a few days. You're not going to learn jack shit that way. Draw a bunch head-shaped circles on a piece of paper, bisect ala loomis method, and draw in the features. Break down what you may be doing wrong then do it again without making these same mistakes.

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For months I've only been drawing people from the shoulders up because I've been so unconfident to work on bodies, but I'm actively trying to get better with them now.
This is the first time I drew a body I feel comfortable enough to post for critique. First time in one of these threads too.
I feel like the left leg is off and that the neck is too wide. What else am I not seeing that I need to focus on?

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>>2286191
Sorry, I didn't think to flip and resize. Hopefully this works better.

>>2285762
>>2285982
on top right face: bottom of jaw/chin is too thin, so rather than looking like he's facing upwards, it ust looks like he has a weak chin. alternatively you could make the neck a bit thinner at the jawline (left side of neck becomes a slightly more vertical line.
nose is a bit wonky.
honestly those are the only problems.

>>2285463
>>2285601
Ha, I remember giving you advice and how to go about fixing this problem. I guess some people just hate learning. Also, stop drawing on digital.

>>2286203
thanks Anon, i'll work on that

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>>2286191
>>2286194
same anon here again

>>2286242
Your lines are rough. Try to force yourself to not go over another line. Think before you draw every line. Obviously, this may be extremely hard at first but just try to make a line in one big swoop, no feathering. specially for contours of a figure.

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>>2285034
how do I salvage this abomination
[spoiler]I am trying not to have a ref picture or guide on the other monitor while I draw[/spoiler]

I know the torso is too long, but where do I put breast on this? The elbow just becomes this tiny nub, I cant really get a head around the perspective I chose.

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>>2285087
Messed up pretty bad with this one. What am I supposed to be learning from gesture drawing again?

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Any comments, tips, etc?

>>2286282
Quit signing your practice.

>>2286288
ok

>>2286282
>What am I supposed to be learning from gesture drawing again?
How to quickly and fluidly describe the pose and motion of a figure.
Not the contours or the bones.

>>2286294
Guess I flubbed this one then. Just did contour and didn't really capture the motion at all. Supposed to make things look fluid and natural, right?

>>2286298
More or less. Look into the methods other people use (proko, sycra, loomis' "Sweep", vilppu, any of these and more), and start with very action-heavy poses before more subdued, stationary poses.

>>2286306
Yeah. I'm reading Vilppu now and I've got Sycra's vids on bookmark. Thanks for the bit about action poses. Is it easier to capture action poses than stationary poses in gesture drawing given that one has more motion to the figure?

>>2286311
Different anon, but I will say Proko's method didn't sound so "clear" to me. After downloading his prem vids from CGpeers, he definitely cut out some info in regards to his sessions.

>>2286311
>"You should be more concerned with how the lines show the action of the model, rather than any actual line you see on the model."

Ohhhhhhhhh.

>>2286348
You got it. I know this may sound crazy, but try to 'at least' practice this for an hour a day. You WILL see results in the next 2 months (thats if you draw 1 hour a day). Obviously, drawing more will help.

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>>2286357
tried again with another image

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>>2285034
10 mn in manga studio
I'm sorry /ic/, I'm drunk and I don't know anything about chameleons.
I don't know much about humans either anyway.

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>>2286282
Don't worry about gesture yet, you don't have enough of a skillset to take advantage of it.

I really have trouble drawing simple mannequinezed figures from side on, Is this more of a perspective problem? or not knowing how to simplify the side of the figure?

>>2286423
It could be a bit of both, it's hard to say without seeing your work

>>2286371
>10 million lines

Calm down anon.

>>2286373
I respect the title and the honesty, mate.

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>>2286407
from study thread. crits?

>>2286440
>>2252147
linked to wrong source/reference.

>>2286282
there's a torrent out there of Proko's figure drawing course. pretty easy to find too

google 'proko figure drawing fundamentals' and go nuts.

>>2285163
Try keys to drawing by Bert Dodson. It's pretty similar but it might help you.

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pls halp

>>2286472
Looks like you're making some good progress with your construction. Try look at reference for stuff you don't understand like how the neck works in the side head tilt, drawing from life will help you a lot here, just make sure you keep thinking about the forms as you're doing.

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done on the train from work , crits please :)

>>2286491
The lack of nostril(s) is a bit bothersome.

He's interesting, kind ind of monster like.

Were you referencing a person on the train or was it just something from imagination?

>>2286491
you always have a brush and ink on you? Damn, I need to step my game up.

>>2286499
Not that guy but I always have a small notebook and a pen on me at all times.

>>2286497
nope, imagination + yeah that does stand out to me now
>>2286499
pentel pocket brush ;)

>>2286501
check out the 'sketch wallet' if you have money to burn

>>2286501
>>2286502
I usually carry a mechanical pencil, knead eraser and a block full of printing paper. No reason to take anything more expensive for practice on the train. Gotta check out that pocket brush, thanks anon

>>2286632
Damn anon, you're giving me a sphere fetish.

>>2286632
what book?

>>2286635

mmm smooth balls

>>2286636

Loomis and Scott Robertson

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I'm newbie in digital art. Can you give any critiques on my piece here?

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Can I get some critique on this ?

>>2286704
nice sausage fingers m8

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Ayy I tried some new stuff. Only used pencil before, I kinda like how quickly you can draw with coal. At my level there's not much point in rendering shit forever so it's a good fit I think.
Crits pls. Also rate my Hitler.

>>2286679
less steven universe, more loomis

>>2286722
Shit, I was going for a perspective thing

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Critique the shit out of me, brehs.

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So I bought this book,
Should I stick to burning through pages just trying to get good lines before moving on or should I actually move forward to other lessons and just practice it again at other times?

>>2286743
move on. You'll spend your entire career developing good lines. Spend 5 to 10 minutes before every drawing practicing lines.

>>2285733
Shouldn't be an issue when tracing.

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>>2286738
Made slight changes.

>>2286768
His neck being completely dark looks weird

>>2286724
Looks like Stallone.

>>2286781
Holy shit you're right. Kek

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>>2286749
Seriously, what the fuck makes you think that I traced it? There are so many errors compared to the photo I can see it myself, yet it's a second time I get accused of tracing on /ic/. Fuck off. Picrelated is the reference.

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>>2286803
also, been practicing lips today. Critique would be appreciated.

>>2286803
people talking about tracing are dumb as fuck dont give them any attention just focus on making the next piece
you can´t stop idiocy which is why 4chan´s as big as it is

>Not necessarily a beginner, but my drawings skills are focused on drafting / sketching not analytical drawing.
>/ic/ always drawing people
>not interested in that outside of life drawing
>trying to get into landscape painting / interiors
>resources are all pretty shitty or too basic for me

What do /ic/?

>>2286808
use google or the book thread, nimrod

if it's really too basic, then you're in the wrong thread

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Hi all! back again. this time with a dinosillar done for fun. I'm just looking to touch him up before i complete him. Any issues i should focus on?

I have a question for you guys here, I'm looking to make a portfolio for an art major. Haven't picked up my pencil strenuously for 3 years. I'm thinking of taking 6 months to a year to make the portfolio but I'm not sure what level I'm supposed to be submitting at? I'm not a complete alpha noob beginner but I'm definitely not good enough to make an extremely accurate face portrait.

Any tips? I expect I'll have to do many projects but I'm not sure if they're expecting you to be a professional when you walk in.

>>2286803

It's the hot new bait to get those dank replies, all the kids are into it

>>2286371
just overlap your image and see how off you are
look at negative space for angles and relationships between stuff, e.g. the forehead stops at the buttcheek
yours kinda just looks like a sad fish man

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Shit like this is so tedious to do. This took me 4 hours, four fucking hours(!!!) on only _one_ section and intersection of that section. Half of that time was me trying to fit it into diminishments.

My head hurts.

>>2286979
scott robertson's book?

>>2286979
Did it actually teach you something?

Also, I have no idea what the orange sloping lines' purpose is.

>>2287101
I think the orange lines are the plane of the section being removed from the main object, leaving behind the purple concave area.

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first attempt using a brush pen

>>2287206
brushpens are super fun to use! dont get scared and keep at it for some time and itll build up your line control like crazy

>>2286282
You worked really hard on your signature though. So there's that.

>>2287219
Depends on a person and style. It may take some time to get used to them (I used brush for long time, then switched to brushpen cause it's more convenient and wrist doesn't hurt so much) They are ubercool for me, as I tend to like more aggressive drawings, and you can get drybrush effect which is very very nice. I like the combo of brushpen plus fineliner also.

the body looks like a man's w tits. the waist should be more defined, the shoulders also look a little wide and the jaw line goes way too far back.

>>2287206
>>2287219
agree, keep at it. i recommend starting with some line exercises. draw hundreds of long lines keeping the line as thin as possible. then move to curved lines connecting 3 dots. then lines that go from thick to thin etc. these exercises really help!

>>2286414
very useful image, thank you anon

Is it okay to learn under several figure drawing methods at the same time? Reading up on Vilppu, Hampton, and watching Proko, basically taking turns using their methods when approaching 30 second - 2 minute drawings. This isn't a bad thing, is it? I don't feel confused doing this. Actually, I find it kind of fun.

>>2287328
Just use what works in a given situation.

Hampton is amazing for certain poses, but completely unusable for others. Huston works great for actual drawing, but is not really of much use for practice.
Vilppu I think is more for advanced people, since he doesn't have much of a process, he just does it, and does it differently in every video

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Frist.

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>>2287341
Second, did I do a bit better, fuck me up.

>>2287341
>>2287342

I'd hit it.

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>>2287262
did what you suggested and made this. it's of my schools mascot. you can tell I was still thinking like a drawer on the body but I think the face turned out good but I've always sketched faces a lot. fun though

>>2287367
push the gesture more
otherwise pretty good

http://imgur.com/a/Is69o/layout/horizontal#0

Just started really trying to improve a few days ago with no foundation.
I'm surprised how fast I'm progressing.
All of these are freehand except for the first page which are traced references.

I'm trying to improve on hands, expressions, and hair the most.

I guess I'll have to go to /g/ for tablet advice, but this is just a hobby so the small wacom bamboo should be fine right?

>>2287374
>anime faces

Sorry to say but you're not going improve. Learn what a face actually looks like and stop symbol drawing.

>small wacom bamboo should be fine right

Bamboo is now the Intuos. And yes it's good if you're on a tight budget.

>>2287374
>http://imgur.com/a/Is69o/layout/horizontal#0

Sorry mate you got a long ways to go, start drawing from life and learn how to see properly.

>>2287376
>>2287377
Yeah, I'm still a beginner, these are literally everything I've drawn since I started practicing.

Apparently I have to read Loomis now, so I'll get on that.

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>>2285034
I dunno how to deal with depth of field with just lines, is it just less detail?

>>2287369

nice, you're definitely going in the right direction. what brush pen are you using btw? looks like you're moving the pen too fast, and going over the lines over again makes things look messy.

try slowing down with the strokes to get a clean line

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Trying to learn how to paint with acrylic and I can't find anything on this.

When should I stop a painting session? What are the effects of resuming a painting after some paint has dried?

>>2287398
thanks. I definitely got more choppy the longer I went on. I really tried not going over things but I got jittery. I think I was running out of ink too? I didn't "refill".
pentel I believe, it says XFL2L on it but all the instructions are in japanese unfortunately. it's about 6 inches? I removed a plastic red ring around the base and squirted the ink into another compartment and it seems to be working as intended.

>>2286414
I wanna get some opinions on wether values/shading/rendering is actually a useful or even requierd stepping stone. I want to keep things simple and feel like I could acquire the other skills by using simple wrapping lines, keeping values (and subsequently color) for last.

>>2287403
ah i know which pen you mean. never used one but i've seen them at the art stores. i've had times with brush pens when i've started slow and slowly gotten more impatient and things get pretty messy.

check out out this for an idea of how to put the lines down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JnssoinaUI

maybe you did get a faulty one. i've had a few and the ink flow is different in some of the same pens

>>2287425
very cool. I'll definitely give that a try

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>>2287342
Any potential for improvement, critique, tips, hell I welcome ripping me a new asshole.

>>2287454

I'm not good enough to critique but I can say with all honesty that I'd fuck her.

>>2287460
Same here. Totally random idea but maybe you should make a part of the body bigger like the head and//or feet/hands? idk honestly, there's just something that could be pushed stylistically I think but I can't point my finger on it...

Maybe post in the style thread too.

>>2287469
>>2287454

yeah the hands seem too small. making the ears bigger would look better too, the height is too equal too the head.

>>2287454
Legs are incredibly stiff. Besides that it's alright I guess. If you want a more thorough crit stop drawing the same thing over and over and give us a less simplified (stylized) drawing.

>>2287425
I tried the method and ended up with a hensons muppets style collage of creatures, I'm tracing over everything lightly in pen and I'll brush pen it tomorrow. looks pretty cool though

>>2285692
>>2285655
>>2285601
Can you please drop the retarded hair while studying head construction? You may think it adds value, but they are the most 2d, slapped-on hair I've ever seen.

Just stick to marking hairline.

>>2287454
Left ankle and foot look extremely unnatural being 100% perpendicular to viewpoint

3/4 is more natural, and pleasing to the eye

also, elbows are way too low, cuz forearms are too long

good hands though, right one seems smaller by a little bit, but good construction

Am I the only one with this problem? I've started reading Perspective made easy yesterday and I feel as though I have no idea how to apply anything from it.

I'm sort of beginning graphic design with Photoshop CS5

I learned it in high school, which was about five years ago. And I got pretty good at it, making fractals and other sick designs from scratch. But I don't remember shit about it now. I do have all of my work from high school but only in crappy JPG format.

Any recommended reads on graphic design? Or some interesting tutorials for cool effects?

I make designs from scratch or manipulate a photo until it's unrecognizable. So no dumb photo manip stuff for me

>>2287539
practice with simple shapes + do everything in the book. it's important + takes time to get comfortable with and apply it to everything you draw. it doesn't come overnight ;)

How to overcome atachment and kind of being sensitive to my shitty artwork. I just hate when people stare at it, a didn't sign anything and i try to go to class, but kind of hate jugment. even i can't post anonymously, give my protips
i am a little bit autistic , but at least i use linux

>>2287610
you need to get over it a bit, mate. I know it's like showing how you really are to someone (if you are doing stuff that's straight outta emotion and is emotionally attached to it, and takes critique hard) but if you go to a course when everyone is afraid of judgement and need to show their work and the people saying stuff about it are not idiots saying "that's shit" then everything will be fine. I have a same problem, but went to arttheraphy, showed a bit of stuffs on the internet competition on a message board, showed drawings to friends, and then went to evening course where people are nice and the lady doing it finds positive things in everyones style or drawing and says about them. Or she finds a nice drawing done by you and says about it. Or suggests something that might be useful. 4chan might be harsh with critique sometimes D: I don't know what else to tell mate but take care there and keep up the good work.

>>2287610
everything you do at first will be shit no matter what, you have to get over it

>>2287619
>>2287610
also, wouldn't recommend posting on 4chan. start a deviant art under a different name or something as exposure therapy. Art is about communication so it's something you should really try to overcome

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about to dump some stuff, tear them apart.

1/4 (not finished)

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>>2287627
2/4 (not finished)

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>>2287628
3/4

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>>2287629
4/4 i know the raised foot is out of proportion i just havent gotten around to fixing it

>>2287633
that foot is the least of your worries.

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please crit

>>2287637
whats the most the of my worries then?

>>2287640
>>2287637
ooh im see them now. what about the others

alright i fixed most of the problems. pretty weird i was able to do all of it in 5 min with the transform tool.. theres still a problem with the raised shoulder though

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>>2287654

>>2287655
>>2287654

Pros: Excellent drawing, good shading and coloring
Cons: no dick

>>2287656
degenerate

>>2287660

thanks

>>2287655
She has man shoulders in comparison to her hips. And the back leg looks strange, especially on the lower part. Redo the foot. And I'm not sure about the muscle on her other lower leg being visible that far down.
Still pretty good. Assuming you didn't trace/colorpick, you could prolly head to the regular drawthread without getting shat on too hard.

>>2287622
4chan can be a bit harsh sometimes :D like imagine the only comment he gots on a image and it's a harsh one. Dunno. Worth to try. I think if he wants to show the work then it's nice to do it, although it's sometimes hard D:

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>>2287674

The 'harsh' comments are always the same retarded memes:

>Check your fundamentals
>Your work is bad
>Read the sticky
>Pls spoonfeed me

That's why I prefer to lurk instead of participate. Since too many /b/tards came here nobody wants to redline the drawings of the begineers.

What happened to pic related?

>>2287396
Peter Han?

>>2287688
I was thinking more about those "kill yourself", and "stop drawing at all ones. Redline might help, you are right.

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Color composition excercises. Please say something about them.

>>2287718
Black and yellow one is the best. The red and blue one is decent too.

The black and grey one I feel you can have a better arrangement within it. The black on the side is strange and topheavy and then is tangent with the grey on the corner. I would do it over again.

The blue and yellow/green one with pink is weird. Several colours have the same values but different hues. The main contrast is that sickly green colour which is composed poorly (like the black and white one). I think this is your worst of the four. The colours are not all that unified or contrasting or interesting. The values and saturations are not well controlled either.

>>2287718
Top right I like the cotrasts.

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>>2287740
>>2287741
Thank you!

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I'm doing northern lights. Don't know what the hell because I copied what I've seen from several reference pictures.

I'm satisfied with the colors, but the overall feeling is not right, they look a lot more like those clip-art pictures on the internet.

I feel that if I continue with these they may finish looking bad.

I just want a more realistic feeling, not a photographic realism, but something more. Should I add more colors? Any trick with the opacity? or which tools should I use for a better smudging?
Sorry for bad engrish.

>>2287750

More reds and yellows, IMO

For more realism you could try less smudging, maybe make it less soft-looking

>>2287744

norge?

>>2287762
Yes. Hi.

>>2287764

lenge leve sverige

>>2287718
How would one go about studying something like that?

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>>2287772
Don't know exactly what you're asking for, so here are two different answers:

1) I did that in architecture school.
2) Thick paper, acrylic paint and masking tape to get clean borders.

>>2287718
Is there any info on that? I don't understand the purpose.

>>2287761
Thanks, I might add the reds and yellows and experiment with another techniques. I'm really a newfag with PS.

>>2287782
Practice physically blending colors. Color balance. Color composition.

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>"Try not to get lost in the complex texture"
>makes tiny circles for 40 minutes
dayum!

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Most recent study. Trying different mediums. Havent used watercolor in years.

ive been doing other stuff, im finding it difficult to stay motivated. Im still anxious about showing my work.

Working on my first (acrylic) painting. It's a self-portrait and my biggest worry is painting the glass in my glasses. Does anyone have a tutorial or video on how to draw eyes behind glass?

So i did something from imagination for the first time in.. ages. Is the lighting generally correct? That ubject visible from the window is supposed to be a nuclear schroom, hence why the lighting is so strong.

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>>2287917
forgot pic

>>2285839
what does that word after stylistically say? i cant make it out.
>>2285839
>>2285840
cheers lads

>>2286828
I think he'd be greatly improved by some texture added to his skin, if you can. Maybe add another color to your palette for it to make it pop. So far it's great for what it is though!

>>2287919
Why isn't the wall black?

>>2286270
wtf is this??

>>2287973
god! you cant just go around asking why things are black!

>>2286270

Took me a while to figure out what the hell I was looking at

Use a reference, please. It's not a bad thing to be using a reference, quite the opposite.

>>2287984
lmao

>>2287987
>Took me a while to figure out what the hell I was looking at
pls expain because I just can't see it

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>>2287425
well there's that, didn't use much of the brush pen

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I'm too tired to finish up my lightsaber - it took me 2 hours.

I was practicing rendering cylinders from imagination, so any tips about that are appreciated.

>>2288019
It's the upper portion of the torso with a raised arm, I think.

>>2288047
Ahhh, I see it now.

>>2288038

The ellipse on the butt-end of it is wrong

http://userwww.sfsu.edu/trogu/420/reference/perspective/tutorials/ellipses.html

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Guys, lets say I am half-new-beginner. I went from drawing stick figures, to more "normal" beginner level. What is your advice on what to do? I have few free hours everyday for practicing. Should I go one day with Loomis, one day do some work from observation (drawing digitally), then go for observation with pencil and paper... or should I stick for some time with an exact practice?

What are your suggestions? I am still not confident with drawing from mind, because I can draw only stick figures. But from observation, it is getting ok level. I am attaching an example.

>>2288064
>What is your advice on what to do?
Read sticky.

As for your practice sessions, I suggest learning how to properly draw from life: spend those few hours a day doing assignments from key's to drawing.

I can't believe how soul crushing trying to draw is.

>ideas, ideas!
>open notepad to draw
>get to the last page I did
>soul crushing hopelessness hit and make me realize I'm not gonna make it
>grab pencil anyway
>no idea what to do anymore
>try to do some random stuff (perspective, maybe try to figure out forms, whatever)
>4 hours later, everything is shit, hate myself some more
>do that for months
>no progress whatsoever

I swear nothing work for me, whatever I try.

Are there any good resources for head reference in different perspectives? The ones on pixelovely are kinda shit

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i've tried to copy this sketch: imgur.com/phCmHOF

>>2287638
I love it. The platform brings too much attention, though. I'd add more detail, maybe as if it's made of bricks. Or something

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can someone recommend me some stuff that can help me study forms and light? this is so fucking hard

also definitely appreciate critiques on anatomy

Should I practice inking over my drawings while I learn or just keep going strictly with pencil? I don't want to get ahead of myself.

>>2288158
also krit

>>2288173
If you think its good enough to ink, then ink it. Should probably share before doing so though.
>>2288158
Good taste, cant really critique a copy though.

>>2288173
Inking is hell, wait till you think your pencil is good or it'll just be depressing

>>2288158
Don't study someone else's styled sketches/art. You just end up copying their mistakes. Best studies from life, or photographs.

Otherwise if it was for fun, don't avoid drawing the face.

>>2288169
You still don't understand how lighting on simple forms work. Get a model of the primitives then experiment with a single light source.

>>2286979
The fuck is this supposed to be? Some kind of an exercise?
Just eyeball shapes, especially if they're round they don't need to fit perfectly in the perspective and can still look good.
Look up industrial design sketching on youtube.

>>2287396
Less details, line weight.

>>2287627
>>2287628
>>2287629
>>2287633
Shadows shouldn't be completely black.
You should work on that first.

>>2287718
They're not bad. I like the bottom right.

>>2287789
Cute. Try to define his hands and the piece of wood so the whole thing would look more grounded.

>>2285044
As someone who draws portraits and has taught before, I can tell you that this is much better than most people's first attempts.

For noses just remember that less is more - don't clearly define both sides of the bridge unless it's with careful and balanced shading (aka no hard lines). It's handy to decide where your light source will be and then learn what areas of the nose would cast the strongest shadows. Much of the rest can be omitted for casual sketches. As for the lips, try looking closely at some photos. See how the line of the mouth isn't really straight - it has very subtle curves to it... the give and take between the upper and lower lips. Learning how to express this, even for simple sketches, gives the mouth a believable pliancy.

>>2288193
i dont know what you mean by the primitives

>>2286979
Looks good. It's nice to know how to cross-section complex forms, but this shit is intermediate. Are you on VisCom?

>>2288212
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_primitive
For your purpose, just stick to cubes, cylinders, spheres and cones.

>>2287941
odd

>>2288218
ah, alright thanks

>>2285113
There's definitely room for improvement, but your errors are only the common ones most people make when first drawing faces. The base of your sketch is actually pretty decent. So I would encourage you to keep drawing portraits as I'd say this one showed some promise.

Beginner artists need a place to show their work where they are comfortable, but the downside of this is that other beginners around you often can't see what you ARE doing well. Critique should bring to attention your errors and weak points, but also reinforce what you are doing correctly.

>>2288124
theraphy? try to respect yourself more and try not to be so hard on yourself maybe?

>>2287330
Awesome, thanks for the info.

>>2286014
look up guides on how the breast connects to the arm. your breasts look like as if your arms are raised, but they are lowered all the way down.

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When I'm doing reference studies, what am I supposed to be doing exactly?

Finding planes? Breaking it into forms?

Trying to learn to draw heads/faces.

Pic related.

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>>2288316
Here's the reference.

I don't feel like I learned very much except maybe how to copy a picture more efficiently/faster next time.

>>2288316
There's a shadow cast on the paper that's making the values look less even than they are.

Not sweating values too much right now, just trying to get a good looking head/face in linework currently.

>>2286979
what >>2288200
said.
what the fuck are you trying to accomplish by going so in depth with the 3d space? you can easily wing 80% of that and make it take no more than 40 seconds without losing integrity

>>2288200
>>2288324
Fuck these nerds, doing complex form construction atleast a few times is great. teaches you a great way to approach stuff, even if you don't go all the way with the method ever again.

>>2288316
> what am I supposed to be doing exactly
Not what you're doing. Copy a bunch of bargues and bridgman illustrations, then apply that. In fact, don't draw from photographs for two years, just apply bridgman and bargue techniques to life. You WILL see gainz if you're diligent.

>>2288327
Thanks for the leads.

>>2287692
>>2288200
thanks mates
(oops, quoted own post)

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Just coming off of a two year drawing hiatus, practicing my values and proportions

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yeah

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>>2285034
too hard

>>2288416

me on the far left

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One thing I can never do is draw things in scale to each other. It just feels impossible. Getting into art anyway and I got a new tablet on monday and it's getting easier. Anyone have recommend programs for beginners?

>inb4 check the wiki

>>2288346
Sorry anon, your sketch style just reminded me of someone who has taken a Peter Han class.

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Is there any way to link unbound(3p) objects in similar manner? I know how to perform boolean operation on parallel 1p and 2p because you always have something similar if they are parallel - their VPs and their auxiliaries, but technology of intersecting completely random three point object is still remains unknown

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How do I get over this feeling that I'm never going to get better?

I haven't drawn in about 2 weeks because I just can't shake that it's pointless. I enjoy drawing when I feel like I've done something I'm proud of but if I draw something and it turns out underwhelming it's horrible.

>>2289006
There is nothing wrong with drawing not beng your vibe, just try something new to find what is.

>>2289006
stick to pure studying
think: What about your work bothers you so much that you feel this way? Find information and references on that subject and just study it until it becomes mechanical for you
Rinse and repeat for everything you suck at

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Urf..

hi this one book (i forget) has a bunch of exercises that involve drawing shit upside down


It's supposed to turn out better than right side up but every time i try copying something upside down it's all disproportionate and shit, will it get better if i keep doing this

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just came back from my first ever life drawing, it was quite enjoyable

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>>2285034
Even though there's probably a handful of mistakes, that was pretty fun

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Fractal practice

>>2289205
good job following a tutorial!
http://design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-simulate-fractals-in-photoshop--psd-340

(fuck i feel old, i remeber seeing that tut when it was brand new ;_; )

>>2289213

I do too, anon.

I'm getting back into digital art after a long time. I used that tutorial when I was a senior in high school and thought it'd be a good starting point

>>2289218
well it has nothing to do with drawing, its more of a >>>/gd/ thing which taches you some general photoshop skills

>>2289221

drawing is just manual graphic design

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I try doing a portrait study of a picture from the internet but it came out crappy. Sucks being a shitty

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>>2289006
Feeling discouraged is an obstacle, but it's a good trait to have as opposed to thinking you could do no wrong with your work. But if you truly love to draw then your love for it will overcome your self loathing. I'm shit but I would still draw till the skin on my fingers deteriorates.

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any hope /ic/?

>>2289294
what did you need that bluehalf assed circle for?

>>2289302
didn't erase thoroughly.
I usually make a cube and put a circle inside it

>>2289305
well i mean like how was that even helpful? did you follow any of the "construction" be it the cube or circle?

>>2289307
I tried to put the socket of the eyes, the nose and the ears to the contour of the cub but I guess that didn't work as well as it should?

>>2289006
Everyone has been through this processes. Most artists complain how they can't achieve the old master's work even though they're really good at what they do.

I wonder if the old master's complained about not achieving what was before them.... whatever it was.

>>2289312
i see, i just though that the elipse seemed rather off, meaning you dont really need it as much. but whatveer works for you anon.

>>2289319
Other than that see any flaws or anything I could improve on?
I currently want to actually study real people from life.

>>2289328
nope, but then again im shit, most likely worse than you, although it seems like you are on the right track

NEW THREAD

>>2289338


>>2289338


>>2289338

>>2289088
drawing on the right side of the brain.

it's more of a way of thinking about drawing, and getting out drawing symbols. try not to think about what you're drawing as being what you think it is, instead draw what you actually see

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>>2287341
>>2287342
>>2287454
>>2289294
Every time I see cute animu girls, I get sad. Not discouraged, just sad.

I just want to draw cute animu girls but I'm not at that level yet.

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>>2285034

>>2289610
FUCK.
Idk why it came out sideways

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how should i improve

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crit pls

>>2289741
its shit

>>2289793
that bad huh?

>>2289738
the same way everyone else improves.

>>2289741
I like it. Jamie Hewlett fan?

Should I repeat the same drawing many times, or draw the same subject different ways?

How would I improve my inking digitally? At least to avoid cheating by using the inking tool?

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How do i make my lines less scribbly? Also any other crit welcome.