Beginner Thread

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I draw

And I draw

but i literally only get worse

>>2278742
Prove it.

>>2278742
>>>/art_feels_thread/

>>2278743
how

>>2278746
try your hardest on the OPs study

>>2278742

Are you really getting worse?

Or just less naive about your skill?

>>2278737
>that alien in the background

>>2278770
>Questions go in the QUESTION THREAD
>This is for posting studys & getting critique.
literally in the OP

>>2278772
There is no questions thread
Otherwise I would have posted in it.

>>2278774
>>2274052

>>2278778
Goddamn I'm a dumbass

>>2278762
>less naive about your skill
I can't understand this post even though I know what all the words mean? Can you say it simplier?

>>2278694
cute

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>>2278737
Tried the frog from last thread again and I'm even more disappointed...

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I'm struggling . As I struggle to make my lines more complete, all I do Is make darker lines. More construction lines leads to more confusion.

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I don't get it, I try and I try and I try but I just can't draw a goddamn foot. I read Hampton and Vilppu as well as look at tutorials but I just can't do it. Nothing looks right. How do I draw a motherfucking foot?

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>>2275821 →

Sorry, I don't see the new thread.

>>2278795
I'll do it.
>You can now recognize that you aren't as good as you previously thought you were.

>>2278803
did you try drawing feet from reference?

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>>2278813
Yeah, here are the results. What am I missing? None of these look right.

>>2278816
>None of these look right.
what the fuck did you expect? to be good at something from the start? you are a beginner, just keep drawing, do a page of these every day and youll be set...

>>2278824
I get that (I once thought I could be an intermediate artist, isn't that hilarious), I do. But I just can't seem to break the foot down into more basic shapes to draw. I did a couple of pages yesterday and I don't see improvement. It's really bumming me out. Does that make sense?

>>2278827
yes it makes sence, but you are just expectig the progress to be visible right away, but guess what, drawing isnt a RPG, you dont level up to see instant improvements by filling in few pages. do a page every fucking day for a month and youll see how much better itll look compared to the one you just posted

tldr: stop being a faggot and draw, dont expect anything, its ok if it looks bad

>>2278816
Why do you make the toes so tiny?

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Each time I do perspective ordnung, ideas dwindle and soon only uncreative box remains. It's probably useful in the long run but I want to bash my head after these.
Each time I do something more... loose, it's shitty messy scribble beyond saving and that's it.

>>2278833
I have no sense of scale.

>>2278795

As you go, you notice more of the dumb shit you do that you didn't notice before. You're more self aware.
Some people don't get self critical about their mistakes.

>>2278841
THEN FUCKING DRAW THAT SHIT EVERY DAY, you are not worth replying since you are just being retarded now

>>2278862
Sorry man, I'm a little bummed out right now. Plus I'm working last minute to finish something.

>tfw you lack patience

>tfw back from vacation and food poisoning
>tfw been shitting my intestines out all day and my weak hands can draw proper lines

I just wanna practice every day ;_; should I just give it a rest for a while?

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>>2278902
take care of yourself anon, i have ibd and i truck on with my shitty drawings when i can.

>>2278801
Could a nigga get some direction?

How do I put a character in perspective related to another?
Sorry, my english is shit, not sure if clear.
If anyone can make a simple example or show one...

>>2278800
any feedback? Should I just keep doing more of these or is there something else I should be doing?

>>2278977
Check out page 99 in this pdf. (81 in the book) http://www.storytellerartist.com/documents/Perspective_Made_Easy.pdf

How do I keep expression in my drawings? I feel like they're less interesting and flat by the time I ditch the sketch.

>>2278902

Maybe catch up on your reading and just study without drawing until you feel better?

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>>2278936
Try building volumes off gesture rather than going straight at it with ellipses; the body has more of an opposing c's type rhythm. Right now you're really suffering from sausage body which happens when there is way too much symmetry.

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Here's the frog

I wasn't going to do it, but then I did it.

Yeah the hatching is shit I know

I keep symbol drawing in perspective.

That is, it's very difficult for me to see true perspective as opposed to something like isometric.

I keep accidentally representing things in isometric. How do I fix this? I'm trying to do the perspective made easy exercises but they aren't fixing my mistakes.

>>2279147
You're just drawing contours, which is pretty much the first thing you learn not to do with FWAP. Have you read it?

>>2279175
post some work

>>2278868
take breaks more often. Try to study only 30min at a time, and when something has you stuck, move onto studying a different thing. The freshness/newness will make you feel better and you'll still be learning something

>>2278754
*twice

>>2279059
better?

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>>2279358
fug forgot, seems like my digital flow is starting to match my traditional.

>>2278837
do loose stuff in small format so you can focus on only idea. Then when u like something make a plane in perspectve and put the idea on it.

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Shading help

>>2279441
delete the shading layer and try again with a solid brush and a dark color

>>2279441
also the sketch is bad, what happened to her right boob?

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That's some hardcore shit OP i don't know that I can handle this

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>>2279472
>>2279441
I tried again

>>2279510
You didn't listen to the advice at all. You're still using a soft airbrush which makes it look blurred at all times, and it's barely any darker.

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>>2278737
bleh

>>2279510
With the shading start solid and then go soft. Right now it looks like you're too scared to make a mark and consequently the whole appeal has fallen apart. Try again.

>>2279519
yes and no. I retried before I saw the advice. So the next time I'll shade with a solid brush

>>2279510
Use a neutral gray toned background and don't have bright lines

It's just easier to shade/color because you can see what you are doing more clearly

>>2279190

You don't know what you're talking about.

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>>2279510
>>2279522
>>2279526
hard brush, blocking out shades

>>2279531
neutral color, doesn't have to be gray specifically unless you're doing a black and white piece

It helps see shades better, but it's still confusing if you use muted or neutral tones

>>2279540
>neutral color, doesn't have to be gray specifically
Yeah, I meant to say this too.

Just, having bright on bright is not very conducive to a confident work flow

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>>2279537
>>2279549
bright on bright pops and I like it for sketches. normally I sketch with contrast to the canvas which pops in a different way. It's so the sketches definitely won't be confused for the lineart which is darker or black

>>2279560
you can always sketch with a visible color then turn down the opacity of it when you want to go over it, though.

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Why drawing pokemons is so hard?

>>2279596
They are mix between animal anatomy and 3d shapes. Imagine an animal skeleton then add 3d shapes. Hopes this helps.

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First time applying reilly method for front view.
Need to study it more in depth. I was way too hestitant and unsure.
Gotta git gud.

>>2279618
is that le breaking bad man?
anyway the first things that stand out; it looks like you just said fuck it when it came to the eyebrows and mustache, the mouth is too narrow and high, the nose looks too narrow towards the tip and nostrils, and the eyes look a little small and flat too. the shape of the head ears and jaw look on point though.

>>2278800
Can I get some feedback pls. Can someone atleast let me know if I'm still symbol drawing?

>>2279640
You're not symbol drawing from what I can see, but you're not getting the correct proportions either. Slow down and spend more time comparing angles and general proportions.

>>2279560
shading already looks much more promising. the perspective on your car is fucked, you have a clear vanishing point, so use it

>>2278800
>>2278986
>>2279640
Look at pictures. Lots of pictures. Go on deviantart or pixiv or tumblr and just spend a couple hours looking at the good stuff.

You need to make a standard. A certain level of art you wouldn't go below but would be fine going above. Symbol drawing is fine when the entire piece looks good and it's not overly obvious or if you are trying to draw crap.

As far as skill itself goes you can copy.Copying is only good for practice. Try drawing the same picture from your mind and see how you do.

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>>2278737
Critique???
How to render hair???

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I managed to do something today.
Not much, but it's better than nothing.

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fuck, cars are hard :|

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Meant to do this for the last thread, but didn't get around to it in time. I wanna do the other frog as well, hopefully I'll have time in a day or two. Critique more than welcome.

>>2279535
>offers no form of counter argument

pretty sure that's you m8

>>2278856
Do you think your picture is clear enough?

Someone came to the Draw Thread asking for someone to come here and give feedback.
Give unto me your questions, I shall answer if I can for a while.

>>2279984
please check the various, unreplied studies posted above and try to help people out.
(id say that the threadly studies should have a priority)

>>2279995
I only have a short amount of time and I looked at them all, I don't know where to start, so I'd rather answer a few people's direct questions. If you wanna link me back to your post with a question, that's cool.

>>2280002
well, try replying to any of these:
>>2279501
>>2279726
>>2279888

>>2279809
Not bad you nailed most of them. For the learning photoshop masks and tools, you definitely figured it out. However fundamentally, just be careful of the edges. Some of the curved surfaces aren't soft enough, bottom left two for example. Bottom right is akin to a plane change. You would require a firmer edge to address the plane change. Just be mindful of photoshops brush hardness. You've got it though.

>>2280017
Are these all by the same person?

>>2280030
Does it matter? Advice is advice no matter who receives it.

Any good tutorials on Color and Value?
Trying to measure value without using the colors Black, White, or Brown.

>>2280031
Yes it does matter, because if they were all by one person, I could look for trending mistakes or problems, not exactly easy to spot in just one piece from a person. It also makes a difference in whether I reply to them all as one or to each one separately. They all looked pretty similar to me and I never come to these threads to just know whether they were or not so I was just asking for clarification.

I guess I'll just treat all of these individually, then.
>>2279501
This looks pretty solid but the perspective is a bit off, too high and small in back. The side view mirror is too far forward, should be where the top & door meet. Could use more reference for good detail.
>>2279726
Good perspective, drafting is wonky. Don't be afraid to be messy to set up the lines you need, you can always use another layer to draw the clean ones. Go for solid, clean strokes.
>>2279888
All good but the perspective on the sports car. Way too tapered in the front. Got lazy in some spots, just carefully check your reference, it's not as bad as you think at first.

Advice for all: It's particularly difficult when it comes to cars because a lot of times photographers mess with the lens to show off the car and that makes the perspective "wrong" so if you copy from a photo look out for that, and always use a perspective grid.

>>2280064
Can you also critique the frog studies that didn't make it to the last thread? Thanks, anon! <3

>>2280068
I really don't want to critique all of them, which one is yours? And do you have a specific question or concern?

>>2279953

There's no argument in the first place, and yes it is me. You don't know what you're talking about because you gave criticism that isn't applicable to the work. If you said something along the lines of 'the hatching could be better used to accentuate the form' or 'you did a poor job of applying value' I would agree, but you're just plain wrong. Sorry. It's fucking line work, do you want me to erase all the lines? Use your brain. That's a criticism meant for people who just draw the outlines of shit with complete disregard to form, which clearly isn't the case.

>>2280072
>That's a criticism meant for people who just draw the outlines of shit with complete disregard to form, which clearly isn't the case
>the hatching could be better used to accentuate the form

So let me get this straight, you either cross hatched it without displaying any knowledge of form whatsoever because you don't understand the forms, thus making my criticism about contours valid, or you posted the image knowing full well that you were not displaying a knowledge of form with your hatching and somehow claiming that "clearly isn't the case".

It's the worst fucking thing to post something and say or think "yeah I know this aspect of the drawing is bad" and then post it anyway looking for critique. What didn't you work at it a bit longer and hatch over the forms which you're claiming to understand? Because there's nothing about your drawing that would demonstrate that you do currently. You post a drawing which lacks construction, which you're claiming to be completely aware of, then get agitated when someone points it out? Are you fucking retarded? Apply yourself.

>>2280085

I threw in a quick bit of hatching to add some contrast to the forms, the lines themselves demonstrate it fine

You're wrong, go stroke your ego somewhere else

Any good videos explaining how to shade in a sphere with value?

>>2280089
You're a beginner artist looking for critiques in the beginner thread, and when someone points out something you yourself know to be wrong about the drawing, you say they're incorrect and that the drawing is fine. You're not gonna make it with that attitude, sorry dude.

Okay time's up for me, gotta go. I may come back on other days to give more critiques.

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>>2280097

Thanks for the tips man perspective is tricky.

>>2280095

>when someone points out something you yourself know to be wrong about the drawing

No, you didn't point out anything that I know to be incorrect, which goes further to show me you're an idiot who doesn't know what they're talking about. I stated that the hatching could be better used to accentuate the forms, not that there were no forms or construction, because there clearly is. Like I said, I'm happy to accept valid criticism and advice, but that wasn't it. Go read about contour again, because you clearly didn't understand the topic.

>>2280110
Hold the phone, you actually think your drawing demonstrates a knowledge of form regardless of the hatching? You're beyond help.

>>2280110
>Letting someone make you this upset

Who the fuck cares. Just drop it.

>>2279981
what do you mean?

When can you call a drawing "done" when you're a beginner?
The problem is that I'm being too conscious of my flaws, and therefore I know my foundations are wrong and I end up never finishing anything, giving up.
This is the worst feel.

>>2280115
That it's not really clear what happens in the picture. If you're going for something more "abstract", then I don't think you used the right technique, maybe it should be more painterly.
But I'm a beginner too. I'm just saying that I don't know what you're aiming for here.

>>2280119
Just move on when you feel like you're over obsessing or bashing against a brick wall. This is why a lot of people recommend putting a time limit on gestures or whatever so you're encouraged to learn what the most important aspects of what you're trying to draw are. Try some minute long quick sketches and just do a hundred.

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Gave it a go

>>2280122
notabeginner/10

>>2280112

I'm not upset. He's wrong, so I told him, and now he doesn't want to accept that he got shot down. Not my problem.

>>2280125
Like how can you actually be this deluded. You're a beginner, you don't know what you're talking about by definition.

>>2280120
i see, thanks for the advice! i'll see what i can do

>>2280128

I'm not good at what I'm doing by definition, that doesn't mean I have absolutely no knowledge of what I'm doing. There's plenty of overlap and intersection with the line work to describe form, and I stated the hatching needs work in the first fucking post. Your critique about contour drawing is wrong and you don't know what you're talking about.

I'm happy to hear any criticism from people who aren't talking out of their asses.

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Is drawing like this still fundamentals first? I just want to draw for fun but cant translate whats in my head to paper, small characters seem easier.

>>2280221
Personally I don't see the harm in it. I went through a phase where I wasn't learning because I was losing rapid interest. Then I began to draw for fun and found a new love for sketching and drawing. Drawing what you like is going to gain you milage as long as you go in with a critical eye and learn something. I'm sure there are people here who would disagree with me.

>>2280230
Nah I agree completely. Just because you're not slavishly studying the human figure doesn't necessarily mean you're not learning fundamentals. I can definitely see aspects of them in that guy's image.

>>2280221
if those are yours you have the fundamentals down, the characters have form

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Okay so I can get to a certain point around here pretty consistently but I've got a few concerns/questions.

A) Is it worth continuing to refine something like pic related?

B) How do I make simple forms look good without adding detail just so it reads better? Or is this not even a valid point?

>>2280221
Some fundamentals are used in those, and some aren't. Anatomy and proportion are completely fucked but that's part of the style and it doesn't really matter in this case. However there's a strong sense of form and depth there so the artist knows what he's doing. I think you should split your time up between drawing things for fun and doing studies. I went through a phase where I only went through studies and started to lose interest in drawing. Sketching random things helped me regain my passion for it.

>>2280230
>>2280241
>>2280278
Im gonna learn about form and depth because that seems to be enough to draw little unrealistic things for fun and have them look decent. Probably lines too. And being able to draw decently at random times will encourage me to practice the important stuff when i feel like it.

>>2280292

I say it's a good steppingstone into more complicated things.

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>>2278856

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>>2280221
nothing wrong with drawing for fun but Arne seriously knows what he's doing and has been drawing for years, and that helps me him little fun thins like that.

>>2280325
Are you wanting to go more of an abstract route? Because if so then it's difficult to critique your work.

>>2280343
i don't really know, but i think i'll try to stay in a middleground

>>2280034

>>2280093

Anyone have answers to these 2 questions?

>>2280329
may i ask what brush was used there?

>>2280122
are you that guy that made some 'initial d' type paintings in the other thread?

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Why can I only draw small? All my large drawings turn into a scratchy, awful mess.

>>2280711
You're drawing from your wrist. Draw from the arm if you're going to draw anything big

>>2280711
It's because you can't control your arm well enough. Just keep practicing.

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Which one is darker: core of shadow or the cast shadow?

>>2280736
>Questions go in the QUESTION THREAD
>This is for posting studys & getting critique.

>>2280733
>>2280735
Is drawing from the arm even an option when you have an intuos wacom tablet?

>>2280736
Assuming both the ball and the table are of the same material and ambient irradiance is perfectly uniform, they are the same.

An easy way to understand that is to understand that the two are the exact same thing -- what that picture calls "core of shadow" is nothing but the sphere casting a shadow onto itself.

>>2280740
of course. With an M sized model it's easier than with an S-sized model.

>>2280739
There is no question thread

>>2280741
thanks

>>2280746
np. Note of course that in practice the two will typically have different brightness because irradiance is not uniform (e.g. if there is a light shining towards the viewer from behind the table, the table will have a strong fresnel effect and the surface of the table will light up, whereas the shadow on the sphere will remain the same) and because the two will not have the same material (sphere might be from glossy material, table might be wood etc.)

But it could go either way depending on the scene, there is no intrinsic property to shadows that makes one of the two things preferably brighter than the other, in reality.

>>2280740

If you're having trouble with that switch to practicing on paper until you get some practice under your belt and switch back to digital when you're properly equipped to sample the fruits of the medium.

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Having a difficult time understand where this shadow will be projected. Advice please

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Food poisoning anon back again. All I've been able to eat is flavourless porridge and packs of rehydration drinks. I'm constantly hungry, tired and sleepy due to lack of solid food and loss of nutrients.

I'm just so frustrated and mad that I want to draw but I have no energy to, and if I even try to draw a cube on paper, I get super sleepy and all I can think about is eating solid food. I'm frustrated to no end, due to the fact that I can practice properly and my mind can't focus on drawing.

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>>2281185
Sleep it off, anon. Your health is important. You can draw when you feel better.

>>2278800
Well if it any consolation, Im freaked out by pictures of real frogs and yours is really unsettling me.

>>2281217
Proportions are off, almost looks like a different car. I like your lines, tho

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Well I picked a wonderful time to start learning again.

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Please dont kick me out.

Are any of these "Drawing tutorial" websites that have monthly fees ever worth it?

>>2280746
>There is no question thread
stop being retarded >>2274052

>>2281242
Use a perspective grid, anon
your lines are wonky as fuck as places
It will look better, I promise

>>2281160

I'm no expert but it's hard to tell where the light is coming from. The source just looks like a 2D line pointing downward.

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>>2281242
I usually draw a ground plane to help see the drawing better and use a square that follows the perspective to draw that back wheel that's really messed up

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>>2281474
Yeah i've been told that. I'm watching the ctrl paint series on rendering and he always makes his light source 2d like that but im starting to see the error of his ways.

pic related its another example of his

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All my windscreens are so freaking wide.

>>2281596

are you constructing what you draw? or are you just drawing what you see right away? Its easier if you construct because you can fix simple shapes much easier than if you draw a complex one and realize its not right.

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>>2279360
grinding out more line confidence

asinine definition question here ,to learn from a video like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOtVUHgJqQk [Embed]
do i need to know anything prior ? i have grasped some of the basics and have learned some of loomis stuff, i hear when it comes to learning the body vilppu is the best.

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I know the back is fucked, but im not quite sure how to fix it. Any other glaring issues?

>>2280740
No thats why everyone wants a cintiq
>you could also just get a bigger tablet but in the end you'd be better off buying a cintiq

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Any hope for me?

>>2281909
Yup. Keep going!
Try some hampton or Loomis

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I've decided to go through all the Ctrl+Paint videos and do all assignments.
Here's what I finished today.

>>2281909
I don't get why you people are thinking about quitting before you even started

>>2281450
How do you make a perspective grid on traditional drawing?

>>2281991
it's not really about quitting t for me..But it does make me invest more time into something that I think I'm making some progress in.

>>2281993
hmm you can just draw on top of your drawing with a blue pencil and when you scan it on your computer,the blue lines will have disappeared

>>2282004
Drawing pure traditional, don't have a scanner or a digital pad. I'd like to draw more accurate lines on paper, but not sure how to create this grid.

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>>2281705

>>2281705
>>2282045

>Beginner
>Drawing Digital

>>2282063
forgive me :_:

How can I into color?

I can sketch with a pen.

But I color like a 4 year old. Halp.

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I tried to draw a thing

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First attempt at a self portrait using the Loomis method. Feels like I've leveled up.

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ment to post on old thread, would love dome advice

>>2282090
2nd this. How the hell do you color? Obtaining value in color is a mind fuck. Any good practices or studies?

>>2282094
oh it shows

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this took way to long

>>2282094
is that Indivisible?

>>2281993
So yeah, how do you make a perspective grid on traditional? Like to train my eye somehow when it comes to paper and pencil.

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>>2282127
>Obtaining value in color is a mind fuck.
It's not when you work digitally. Ctrl+Paint have a premium tutorial about colouring a greyscale drawing. Pic related, steps 1 and 2 of my study.

>>2281993
Read How To Draw by Roberston. There's entire chapter about making grids in traditional.

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>>2281639

How do I get better at drawing and painting tones? It's where my drawings always end up looking like shit. It's like I'm fucking blind to recognizing changes in color and light and it pisses me off. Is there any books or exercises that could help me?

>>2281926
That's interesting senpai. What video did you watch?

Should I learn perspective while learning proportions? or do them seperately?

>>2282045
try sketching the skeleton before drawing the muscles, fat etc.

>>2282094
pretty qt, I love when a game have art like that

>>2282102
The proportions might be OK (can't really tell because I don't know your face IRL)

But you need to go easy on that hair, too many lines, and stop with all those lines all over the face, makes you look like a 80 year old, also use a pencil that gives you control over tones

>>2282142
Perspective is fucked, especially the little table
Her arm looks dislocated, her tibia is too long, hand is slightly too big

>>2282508
Start with perspective

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Just some practice drawings... I'm pretty bad but I train :D

>>2282509
the gesture of the figure or the literal skeleton?

>>2282499
"Brush Control" parts 1 and 2;
It's in the section "8) The Brush Tool" of his free library.

>>2282519
a simplified version of the skeleton, its the only way to guarantee good anatomy

>>2282434
>Digital
What about using color in Traditional?

>>2281883
The back half is fucked, the roof does not follow perspective.

>>2279903
>error code #5522: can't critique, file is not a human head

Jokes aside, your frog is really decent, especially the hands have a certain *dimesnion* to them.

>>2282512
looks really cool in the black

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I see people still posting their frogs from last thread, so since I was really pleased with mine here is mine too.

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are the values 'ok'? just wanna know before i start to render this mess

>>2282687
I don't know what you're doing in the beginner thread dude.

>>2282710
The lower mouth piece should be a bit darker, but it's pretty close.
Use a black and white adjustment layer if you're in photoshop to check the values.

>>2282717
oh yea, totally forgot i can check my values like that! thanks for reminding me

>>2280537
Nope, sorry

>>2282710

dya have the ref at a bigger resolution? I wanna try drawing it too.

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>>2282744

>>2282747

much obliged!

>>2282717
they told me to come here, and i was flooding the draw thread so i post some drawings here and some there, not to uspet people

>>2282782
Anyone who told you to come here is an idiot, they're probably jealous because you're so prolific.

>>2282786

stop trolling

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>>2282793
I'm not, I love his work.
Not everything has to be a super accurate anatomical representation.
His art evokes a feeling in me, it's creepy and weird and I love it.

How he chose to draw the skin in
>>2282687
makes me think of subcutaneous structures, like the network of blood vessels or nerves.

I'd love to see him attempt something more representational, his sensibilities would lead to some really creepy and amazing work I'm sure. He does it amazingly well just with mspaint and scribbles anyway.

>>2282786
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>>2282812
thank you, but whatever anyone think of my work, i see that the kind of thing i do is done faster, and becuse of that the number of drawings is bigger, thats why i try not to flood

>>2282827
Do you have a blog or anything? I'd love to see your art all together in one place.

>>2282836
i have a blog: nonerandomdraw dot blogspot dot com

>>2282840
Thanks, thats super interesting.

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I tried.
I can at least see that it's too short and the angle is wrecked. Welp.

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If you are struggling with this threads study please don't get discouraged. Cars are some of the hardest things to draw and design because they usually consist of rather complex shapes and forms and getting the proportions and perspective right is crucial. Cars and aviation are considered the highest discipline of industrial design, so dont be too hard on yourself!

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vilppu is amazing I want to train under him in the woods forever

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ugh

>>2282786
LOL

>>2282955
good job m8

>>2282955
beautiful work, man. Evokes a Parrish/Pyle sort of vibe.

>>2282987
I like that, do you have more of that?

>>2282989
no, but you can look for gil rambo, he does this better.

>>2282987
the gentleman on the right has his bollocks coming out his thigh.

>>2282955

I think it looks pretty sexy. Good use of color in the reflections, it always surprises me how much of a difference it makes rather than just having it reflect white light.

This isn't shit-talking Loomis in general, but has Fun With Pencil actually helped anybody on this board?
I'm genuinely curious. It tends to be the first stop for most beginners, but whenever I see people work with it they just copy his cartoonish faces then move on to something else. Has anyone actually gone though Fun With Pencil and thought it was productive?

>>2282873
Thanks i wont kill myself now. Lets see your attempt anon

>>2283009
loomis helped me a lot with construction and getting the eyes even on a face. also taught me how to break things down into simple shapes

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>>2283009

I had already taken a couple of art classes by the time I read it so I didn't get a ton out of it but for people who are just starting and don't really understand that you can't just dive right into drawing the lines of the finished product I can see it being tremendously useful

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i tried

so i have studied some of vilpuu's studies, when drawing the body it for like chicken scratching a figure, is there a direction to go once i do this ? i feel completely retarded but a little achieved because now i have a better understanding on my flow control/imagination but it just looks like a bunch of lines now, are there any other artists that can help with the study of drawing the body ? i tried loomis but the method doesn't feel right with me

>>2282999
LOL, thanks man ill fix it

>>2283086
>i tried loomis but the method doesn't feel right with me
do it anyway fuckboy, just FEEEEELIN it won't really get you anywhere with your chickenshit half-assed gestures.

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I feeling the art blues where everything I draw is crap
what I do

anyone know how to make previous layers fade away more every time a new layer is added in open canvas 6?

>>2283230
don't stop
dumbass

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It's not very refined but do I have the right idea? Main idea was to practice value / form / maybe some anatomy.
I used a reference of course. The face was a bit of an afterthought but I didn't want to just leave it without one.

>>2283230
Draw more. Drawing when you feel like your work is shit is the most important. Know why your work is shit? You're not drawing+studying. Study fundamentals everyday.

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>>2283225
thank you for this reply

>>2283324
it's an abrasive response but i'm serious about that, anon. Loomis is a bit daunting at first to some but as you get over the humps (easier if you set aside at least an hour a day for drawing) it's far better for someone in the beginner thread than vilppu which is somewhat advanced.

>>2283344
it was a genuine thank you, im trying to get over the blocks in his teachings

>>2283350
Good luck then, anon. It'll get better, and easier with time, things really pick up when you get to the bones and muscles.

>>2283354
right now im covering the base, im not too close to filling it out i have tried and i always make the tits too big, in his figure book it says don't be afraid to come up with your own blocks, so im testing out a method where i use one rectangle for the main torso and a smaller one right under it for the basic ab area, then a triangle for the hip/crotch

>>2283360
Anon, have you studied the stuff in the book page-by-page, and are you using FDFAIW? Loomis is far more rewarding if you've started from the beginning and put effort into copying every page and employing what you've learned afterwards. Internalizing proportions is one of the most rewarding things possible for the basics of figure drawing. If you've done this, more power to you but I just get the impression you haven't.

>>2283363

different anon here
>FDFAIW

wait, that's not the start?

> Internalizing proportions is one of the most rewarding things possible for the basics of figure drawing.

I'm still having problems figuring out proportions when it's not standing/curved
how the fuck do you divide that??

>>2283367
>wait, that's not the start?
I just meant the very beginning of the book page by page.
>how the fuck do you divide that??
Kinda the same way you'd divide a piece of string into eighths, or later on into half, and then half of the bottom half for the bottom of knees, and the top half into thirds for the torso, pelvis and shoulder placements.

>>2283363
it might seem that way but i have been doing it, im also just trying to pave my own method at the same time for convenience

>>2283386
If you were having trouble with the "blocks" portion (assuming you're talking about the blocks portion just after the muscle portion, beginning of lighting) I'd recommend brushing up on form and just drawing a multitude of body parts how you might normally and taking lots of consideration for form overlays and grids, although it's not helpful for the lighting itself, it might help breaking down and abstracting the figure into planar forms. If paving your own road is difficult, be patient and remember to reference the route you've decided against for the insights it may offer.

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>>2281578
Hey thanks alot. While its still shit, I feel a little bit better about this attempt. The perspective grif helped me visualise the shape of the car better

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>>2283435
My bad forgot top reduce size

>>2282873
I guess I'm just going to keep on trying, this is from a guy who wants to one day draw mecha.

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Does anyone know how can I replicate this black/grey effect this guy used on the drawing on Sai?

I'm trying to learn from it, but I have no idea how he did it

>>2283591
That pic is absolutely terrible in every aspect, please don't try to learn from it

>>2283635
Man I just want to know how to shade like that in Sai

>>2283635
why does it look bad?
I mean damn, I Wish I could draw mouths half that good, just saying

>>2283643
Over all bad construction and perspective. The nose is extremly fucked as well has the other features and the hair. The scar is the only ok part.

>tl;dr Needs more loomis.

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Could someone explain this a little bit? I get the part about drawing 1 before drawing 2. But what does mean by freedom? RIP Teal line

>>2283805
Being able to freely express yourself on how you interpret something instead of being shackled by references and copying.

>>2283805

Speaking from my own experience as someone who relies too heavily on reference, oftentimes you might want to do something and feel completely fucked unless you find all the right references. It can prevent you from doing what you want in favor of what's available.

>>2283805
It's bullshit really. And refuses to acknowledge the paradox about constructive drawing: if you can draw a person you can draw anything. It's the chicken and the egg problem.

>>2283824
>It's bullshit really.
Wut

>>2283845
He's probably the shitposter that caused Teal to go away. Go look for any other Teal image in the archive and there's always one asshole trying to dissuade anons from using his advice. You're probably replying to him right now.

>>2283861
Even worse is the fucking comments on the imgur pack. "Boo hoo, le broken spine meme, dese proportions aren't real!". Normalfags and retards don't into idealization.

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Rate please

I hate studying so much and not seeing any results. When do I get gud so I can have fun drawing again

>>2283880
Looks like you took a photo and warped it a little, then change it with the sketch effect in ps

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Anyone wanna r8 my first ever Batman drawing?

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>>2283899
Maybe he did but you still didn't rate his art if you can call it art

>>2283918
5/10

>>2283861
???

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Rate it please

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>>2283880
mfw i know exactly what this is

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>>2284019
What is it ?

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current WIP of fandom trash. sorry for the poor quality.

>>2284135
no matter where i go or what i do i cant escape these skeletons

>>2284135
arms need to be longer and that hand needs to be bigger
also i think the ring and the pinky fingers should be higher

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This may be better off in this thread

Thoughts on proportions/ lines?

>inb4 go back to /co/

>>2284338
how to draw loli

Why is drawing so popular?

I can't draw for shit but I sculpt with clay, paint (usually acrylic), and occasionally do photoshop stuff but I'm not quite at the level of notoriety as my friends who draw shit on tumblr.

I'm a little salty. My friends get gift art of their OCs and such all the time and stuff. I don't know if it's just the tumblr community that's this awful of a circlejerk or what.

I'm just salty because they're getting tons of attention and not I. And all the attention is turning my friends into douchebags.

>>2284424

You're probably shit at sculpting and painting, that's why.

>>2284436

fight me

>>2284064
potion man

>>2283880

>tfw the potions are too strong for you

>>2284338
hey anon, it's good to see you here

proportions are okay: lines need work, practice with drawing lines and circles as described in the beginning lessons of drawabox.com. once you get the right speed and get some stability try the lines again

then study anatomy some

book thread and sticky have good resources

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First time drawing in years. I know I fucked up the back half really badly. Thanks for any critique.

>>2284760
you have a long way to go m8, but just keep at it. i was at your skill level once myself.

as for what your doing wrong
well, your definitely symbol drawing, the back end of your car looks like its in a different dimension. it doesnt even look like the same part of the car. follow the topmost line, it really shouldnt connect to the back end like that. makes your car look really flat.

your lines need a lot of work theyre really scribbly and "chicken scratch" like. your shading is really inconsistent and blotchy.

most of all though like i said your perspective needs work. if you did this off of imagination stop. at your level you need to be drawing off of real life or images you found. if thats what you did then just keep at it and honestly check out the sticky

>>2284801
Thanks for the feedback, anon. I'll try to take all of that into consideration.

>>2284808
i hope it helps
yea just keep at it honestly, best thing you can do.

>>2284801
>your lines need a lot of work theyre really scribbly and "chicken scratch" like.

Are we looking at the same drawing? The lines are a bit wobbly but I don't see any chicken scratch. The closest is inconsistent shading.

>>2284424
It's more accessible. In order to sculpt and paint you gotta know what you're doing.

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Fuuuuka, being a beginner sucks.

Boring ass study picture from OP...again. It's like some sick fucking trend.

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....fuck. what am i doing wrong guys? i know im doing wrong, just hold me.

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I'm just freshly made the switch from doodling to being more serious about drawing properly.
Therefore I'm absolutely terrible but I'm following the guide from the sticky.

What's best to practise on? Paper or Digital? Also, I'm notoriously pessimistic, have a bad attention span and quickly give up, any tips?

Also anything like the Art Academy game on the DS but more 'serious' and for the PC? I played it a bit on holiday it effectively helped. (trust me, the things I drew before that were much worse)

>>2284877
You're drawing anime shit instead of looking at things and drawing them.
Has a human being's eye every looked like that? No.

If you're a beginner, fucking work instead of fucking about drawing anime.

>>2284877
You're learning a set of symbols instead of how to draw.

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its me. from other threads. yes im still shit, pls kill me, use my body to summon your own bob ross stand.

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Kinda gave up on it, maybe I'm color blind but I just can't seem to get colors right. So kinda gave up.

>>2284877
Keep drawing anime shit if thats what you like, I personally like e anime/manga style but draw from life and also realistically, it would help you when it come to the anime stuff, maybe do less naime at the beginning but keep doing it if thats what you like.

>>2284963
Don't give up. i want to fucking kill myself but im not giving up. always remember you will never be as bad ass chris-chan.

>>2284969
*As

>>2284877

1. Stop drawing on lined paper.
2. Stop drawing a super detailed eye before you do the rest of the face.
3. Related to two, learn how to place all the features on the face, learn construction. You know, Loomis, etc. Don't even worry about detailed eyes until you can make sure the eyes fit with everything else.
4. Ditch the fucking anime for at least a few months and learn from observation - photographs or life, not other drawings. There's nothing wrong studying other art when you're at a point where you know what you're doing and know what you want, but for now, anime will not help you become a good artist.

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>>2284969

Or this guy.

>>2284975
>>2284965
i only drew on lined paper because thats all i had avalible at the time.
i am trying to study, but for once i wanted to at least TRY to DRAW something. you know like one of them fancy art fellers.
i did use manga style for a reference which i fucking shouldnt of done your right. >>2284925
now punish me more.

>>2284969
Not only that, but know that every time you take a step forward you're outdoing droves of people who stopped, and didn't move forward.

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>>2284980
The more you know. And knowing is half the battle.[spoiler]the other half is suppressing violent thoughts and depression/anxiety

>>2284978
>>2284925

Some in this one is far more the right idea for practising eyes than your first one. Thinking of them as a three-dimensional object rather than an anime symbol is the right idea.
Eyes are a start but just be careful not to be one of those people who are really good at eyes and can't draw faces. You could draw incredible eyes and it'll look garbage if they're misplaced or way, way better than all the other features.

But yes, I suggest you continue more in this direction than your other one, I think the practice you did here is more productive for learning how to draw eyes than a hyper-detailed anime eye on a blank face. Just make sure to draw the rest of the face too sometimes, you'll learn more about them by placing them in relation to other features, specifically in regards to the nose, brow, and cheek bones, as well as each other.

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>>2284986
this is what i did in the past hour or so. teach me senpai

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Criticism. Started figures last week. Wanted to make sure proportions weren't too off.

>>2284991
>tiny asian man squinting.jpeg

>>2284989

I think you're going in the right direction as far as productive practice is concerned.
And if you really do want to try and draw something rather than just study, there's nothing wrong with that. Just try and apply your principles from your practice.

>>2284991
Anon you've resized too far

>>2284995
its probably best i dont do that now fami , im feeling quite unstable. but is my construction method okay? and i have no clue how to apply shit.

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>>2284996
Sorry boiis

>>2285000
Whose method is that? The pelvic mass looks really small, and you might be compensating too much for the flesh and fat around the figure.

>>2285001
Uhh. Not really sure about the method, kinda just something I saw from proportion studies. Picked up a Loomis book today though, but I'm struggling to draw a simple figure without including the ribcage and pelvis.

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>>2284995

The eyes still look a little symbolic to me in this. It looks like you slapped the eye symbol over the cicle behind rather than treating it like a sphere.
Think about how the eyelids would wrap around a spherical eyeball. I think you touched on this in your earlier stuff.
Also the side planes of the head are usually a little flatter. You'd indicated them a little with your ellipses but it didn't really adjust the circular shape. If you look at pic related the top of the head isn't entirely circular.

>>2285016

I accidentally replied to myself and not to the person I meant to:
>>2284998
>>2284989

Usually a lurker, stumbled upon the head study thread, and after reviewing some of the materials that were posted there, I took at stab at my first head.

Should I continue my artistic ventures? It felt fun.

(And I know, fuck the rendering until I get the basics. I was just messing around with it.)

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>>2285016
well i tried. the sun is warm, the grass is green.

NEW THREAD

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>>2285021

Oops

>no matter how many times I do drawing on the right side of the brain I go right back to symbols.

why

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i forgot the back part of the car lol

>>2279771
it might be the quality of the photo, but if not, there should be a little more contrast. everything's sort of the same shade of grey. anatomy looks fine. as for rendering hair, right now it looks like one solid mass. break it up with a few lines and make some parts lighter/darker to give it a sense of volume rather than being flat and 2d. also make sure the lines aren't all symmetrical/parallel or you'll lose that sense of depth.

>>2284878
paper was easiest for me, and learn to draw shapes and shit, you need loomis

>>2284878
Are you drawing with your non-dominant hand?

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hey im going to do an acrylic galaxy painting for my friends Christmas present because he loves space but I have never done anything like this before
Any tips on how to get the colours really nice and not muddy and in general how to go about this?

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i was practicing anatomy with this (barring the face, i didnt want to distract myself with it) what should i work on? i already know i sort of fucked the shoulders a big, but what else is there to improve?