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Let's talk food history.

Any favorite TV programs or books about historical food/food in history?

Supersizers Go was one of my favorites. I wish they would have done it for different countries as well.
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good show, she is my favorite lesbian
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Back in 2012 I went to a Titanic dinner where they recreated the 10-course dinner meal from the first class. Not my pic, but it was good times.
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Ive always had an idea for a book, that tells world history through certain dishes/ ingredients and features historic recipes.

I think dumplings should be one, With heavy emphasis on China and the silk trade.

Perhaps the humble potato or tea for the colonial era.

Anyway what do you think /his/?

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How come they called it the holy Roman empire when it wasn't holy, Roman or an empire?
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>>682720
at certain points it had all those qualities
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>this meme
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>>682720
I'm sure you already know this, but that soundbite was said after the empire had decayed into a sad collection of german princedoms surrounding austria.
It was a little bigger when it started.

If you could live your life in any time period in human history pre-1900 which time period would you choose?

I'd like to go back to around 1000 A.D. Scandinavia when vikings were becoming Christians, not sure why. It just seems like an interesting time
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>1793-94 in France
>be Representant en mission from the National Convention
>BTFO royalist traitors in Lyons and the Véndee
>round up all of the local priests and nobles in a field outside of town
>open fire with cannons
>desecrate churches and religious cemeteries
>get drunk on communion wine

>tfw it will never happen
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I agree it's interesting. I would go back to when Christianity was illegal in the Roman Empire and asked some Romans why they had converted
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Mid-Republic Rome so i can witness Poenic wars in all their glory

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I have huguenot ancestry. Tell me about my people.
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>>682093

Why are you asking muslims? I used to live in East Anglia, a lot of Hugenots settled there after they were driven from France.
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>>682093
It birthed in 843
Peaked in 1811
Got humiliated in 1940

You can find plenty of book on the history of the French people
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>>682105
How on earth was my question directed to muslims?

I'm reading the Phenomenology and I guess I'm not entirely sure exactly what is being said.

I'm up to the chapter on force; so I'm pretty early in the book. I'm using The Logic of Desire as a secondary, but I'd like a second source as well that maybe spells things out for me.

Like what exactly is he saying about absolute truth in the introduction and early chapters. Is he saying that we can know the thing in itself by studying its appearance, or is he saying that there is no such thing as a thing in itself at all and that we can only know appearances.
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dude
dialektik
lmao
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Did you get the lobotomy first, like you're supposed to?

Make sure to huff gasoline for 20 minutes prior to each reading session
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>>682058
Look up H.S. Harris's "Hegel's Ladder", which is a comprehensive two volume study of the entire Phenomenology. It goes paragraph by paragraph, and it spells out pretty anything you could spell out in every passage. You can find it on Bookzz, though, as a heads up, it's a .djvu and not a .pdf.

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For free will to exist you need a soul. Otherwise, you are a slave to your biology and circumstance.
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Most people aren't libertarians; they're compatiblists so you're arguing against a small population.
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>>682019

How would free will work with a soul exactly?

Do you get to choose your soul?
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Free will doesn't exist and you're a slave to the aforementioned forces. That wasn't hard.

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What does /his/ think about Lord Kenneth Clark and his BBC documentary Civilisation? Do you agree that architecture is the best judge of what makes a culturemore than literature, art, etc.?
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>>681863

Yes, because architecture is universal while reading and art are exclusive to the upper classes, especially in the pre-Modern periods. Although I would say a people's folklore and fairytales are even more important, but they was usually confined to a oral tradition so are largely lost to us.
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>>681904
>>681863
>What does /his/ think about Lord Kenneth Clark

Ken Clarke was an Anglo-Norman toff and as such both a race and a class enemy.
>t.anglo-celtic peasant
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>>681863
No, not when the oral tradition is factored into the concept of literature

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>Dialectical materialism works like cocaine, let's say. If you sniff it once or twice, it may not change your life. If you use it day after day, though, it will make you into an addict, a different man.
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>>681827
a lot of these are great

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Last_words

>be General John Sedgwick
>"They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!"
>get shot
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>>683780
nice, thanks
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>>683780
>June 3. Cold Harbor. I was killed.
>Who: Union Soldier
>Note: Found in a blood-spattered diary on the body of a Union soldier on June 3rd, 1864.[1]
Damn

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Was Genghis Khan a happy man?

On the end of the day: are great war-lords happy people?
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>>681820
Since he's not around to be sycho-analysed and we know next to nothing about his personal life, it's unknown.
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Depends on the warlord. Some are just power hungry brutes and become burdened with the stresses of empire. I think Genghis felt that he was meant to be a conqueror and that gave him a sense of purpose.
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>>681820

did the khan eat ass?

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I'm just now learning about Greek mythology, is it true that the figure of Dionysus was a precursor to Christ?
>son of god and mortal
>revealed secrets of eternal life
>cultists partake of his body
Maybe the idea of this figure soaked into the greeks and influenced the idea of a Christ who "fulfilled" the old testament Yahweh cult.
Or is it just a coincidence.
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Dyonisus is egyptian Osiris
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I wouldn't really call him a precursor except superficially, the main similarity being that you eat and drink him (a not uncommon concept with crop or vine gods, since they were seen as the personification of crops or wine). In substance, though, they are not similar at all.
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>>681778
It just seems like subconsciously they would create the Christ figure to have the well-known traits of the existing gods of their era. Esp when the New Testament is such a chronological and thematic break from the Old Testament.

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Tell me about the Philippine-American war.
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>>681655
>>681655
It was a continuation of the Philippine independence war against Spain that the Americans originally supported. However, during peace talks the Spanish, instead of releasing the Philippines, simply transferred governance to the American military, who then simply sat on the Philippines as military governors. Aguinaldo's government wasn't recognized by the US, who wanted to create their own government in order to secure a military base and influence in the region, something Aguinaldo, a hard isolationist, wasn't cooperating on. Thus, when an armed revolutionary guard was shot for approaching the US compound, the tension escalated into all out war that ended in an American victory.

It was basically a "testrun" by the American government of its capabilities to fight in overseas conflicts, and was essential to building its influence in the Pacific.
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Colt 45 made to kill cracked out Phillipines
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>>682381
so the pinoys were vicious little buggers right?

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Why is hedonism bad?
Isn't the persuade of joy and happiness the goal of every human on earth? Wouldn't smug self satisfaction in one's own strength/intellect/purity be worse or more dickish than consumption and pursuit of physical pleasure?
Are anti-hedonist just cucks who don't like fun?
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It's not that I don't want carnal pleasure...sometimes even to the point that it's very painful for me to not have it. It's just that God is more important.
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>>681601
t. best goy
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>>681601
>Isn't the persuade of joy and happiness the goal of every human on earth?

Spending decades honing your art as a sculptor or refining your piety in a religious system is also a "pleasure". You can use word-games to define it that way. Doesn't change the fact that when people say "hedonism" they're usually speaking about retards in clubs who lack concept of anything but instant gratification, which becomes less "pleasurable" in the long-run when they hit 30 and realize they've wasted their youth.

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This is a wild theory so bear with me. Since the beginning of the 20th Century -- since the end of the war of 1904 (Japan vs. Russia) --, the US had been hatching some kind of longterm plan to virtually control the Pacific Ocean. Japan always knew one day, they'd have to face the US; likewise, the US always knew that their main rival in the Pacific was Imperial Japan. Indeed, Japan was the only major military and naval power in East Asia. Even then, the US greatly underestimated the capacity of the Empire of Japan to wage war at sea, even weeks after Pearl Harbor. Nevertheless, they knew they'd have to fight one day.
The naval treaty of 1921, which limitated the naval forces of each signing countries, the second treaty of 1930, then the third in 1936, were quite annoying for Japan, which needed to keep a strong naval force, being an island nation. The oil embargo especially, lead by the Americans, was a huge blow for Japan. Just after the 1904 war, in the ensuing negociations, US took the side of Russia, which denied some of Japan's hard-earned spoils of war, namely more territories.
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Some could argue the US did all that to push Japan to war. Indeed, the US were sure to win in a naval war against Japan (or in any case, they were sure it would be an easy war). East Asia is an essential part of the world for the US: a number of precious resources can be found there, and most importantly, keeping East Asia under US control would mean the total safety of the US West coast. So it was only natural for the US to be willing to keep East Asia under their control.
Since the US victory in 1945, Japan is nothing more than a US colony really. It may sound provocative but with no standing army and running on a constitution written and handed to them by the US after the war, Japan is, still today, totally under US, let's not say control, but at least very strong political influence. In that way, one could say the US have reached their longterm goal of "securing" East Asia, and by extension, the whole Pacific Ocean. The US were allied with China for a long time, and now, with China as a strong economic rival, it's even more important for the US to keep Japan under their influence.


Now I know it's just a wild statement but what do you think?

I wouldn't call it "plot", just good politics from the US part (I'm not from the US myself).
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A good deal of your post(s) reminds me of a scene from a Tom Clancy novel. The head of the KGB complains that the Party and government want to know what foreign leaders are thinking, despite the fact that these leaders often don't know themselves. He asks himself why the agency doesn't use gypsy fortune tellers. Governments often don't do advanced plans well, as the government (in the US, at least) changes every 4 or 8 years.
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>>681354
>>681364

Ehh, it has a few holes in it.

For instance.

>The naval treaty of 1921, which limitated the naval forces of each signing countries, the second treaty of 1930, then the third in 1936, were quite annoying for Japan, which needed to keep a strong naval force, being an island nation.

The naval treaties established a 5:5:3 ratio in tonnage between the U.S., UK, and Japan. (And some other nations were involved, but let's skip them for now.) This hurt the U.S. and UK more than it did Japan, since their industrial output vis a vis Japan was greater than those ratios, and both of them had to scatter their fleets more: The Americans between the Atlantic and Pacific, and the British all over the world. Even at 3:5 inferiority, with the U.S. fleet more or less split up half to each ocean, means that the Japanese have the short term advantage in the Pacific, not a disadvantage.

>The oil embargo especially, lead by the Americans, was a huge blow for Japan.

This was done after great deliberation and long term trading, where Japan got over 80% of its oil from the U.S. Turns out attacking their allies for years pisses some people off.

> a number of precious resources can be found there, and most importantly, keeping East Asia under US control would mean the total safety of the US West coast. So it was only natural for the US to be willing to keep East Asia under their control.

U.S. wanting to control the Pacific is based on notions of trade and ability to navigate. The U.S. was not importing resources from the Far East in the early 20th century, they were mostly exporting. And the notion that someone would invade the U.S. west coast is laughable. Japan hadn't the logistical capability to meaningfully try, and if they did, they'd be overwhelmed by America's greater population and industry.

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tfw no free will
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>>681348
Ok. Does it matter?
I don't notice or care so whatever. Hell, it might make life a little easier pre-cognition or whatever
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Prove it
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stick a finger up your ass, why would a higher power ever want you to do that

How were the Albanians treated in the Ottoman Empire? Did they adopt Islam to appease to the Turks or were they significantly Turkified at some point?
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>>681307
>Albanians
>a thing before WW1
Nice one, OP.
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>>681307
Albanians and Bosnian Serbs were either allies, auxiliaries, vassals or enfranchised nobles of the Turks even since Pecheneg Turks way back in 11th century.

Most Turkified Albanians and Bosniaks are basically close special relationships during Pecheneg, Seljuk, Ottoman times nearly for a millennium. Those serbs who fought beside Beyazid the Thunderbolt against Timur's Army in the Battle of Angora were given "timarli" status (only given to Turkic landowners) as a sign of their bravery. Most (including members of Stefan Lazarevic's family) accepted the honor and had holding inside the Empire. Gradually they willingly converted.

It must be remembered that Albanians and Bosniaks had special status in Ottomans as "blessed of the new" faithful. They willingly converted, were fully integrated into the state, nobility and army.
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>>681307
Balkan Muslims were generally respected and often given very prestigious positions.
Abanians were pretty Islamic until the advent of Hoxha's meme communism.

I wonder if Albanians realize how stupid they sound when they say " I'm not Muslim/Christian... my religion is Albanianism" For some reason keep hearing it from them.

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