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Would you consider population exchange as ethnic cleansing? What if the governments make sure that the new property will be equally valuable as the one the they leave behind?
Could it be used to resolve other conflicts around the world?
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>>1225291
>Would you consider population exchange as ethnic cleansing
>Ethnic Cleansing "the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society."

Yes, population exchange is ethnic cleansing.
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>>1225429
It's no doubt infringing on freedom of movement. But if it was handled correctly would the end justify the means?
Resolving border clusterfucks, easing tensions and paving way for reconciliation?
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>>1225291
It is ethnic cleaning. For one, there's no way to realistically guarantee that people moving would have the same quality of property after the exchange. If your government dislikes your people enough to displace them actively, it would not exert the required effort for the sake of good faith, would it?

Also, even if on paper the exchange was without fault, you're still asking thousands of people to give up their livelihoods.

And you're not even taking into account the problems of 'rightful land' at this point.

Fun facts about historical figures thread
I'll start: George Washington

>6ft8
>weighed a fucking ton
>invented cocaine
>stuck an opponent's wife's hand in acid at a party
>had like 30 goddamn dicks
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>>1225244
>George Washington
>invented a drug that was first produced in 1855

Is this a stealth Cracked.com thread?
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Hella fucking epic !!
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>>1225253
dude george washington invented it, the heck are you on about?

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I´d like to know if you can think of a good reason why there would be such a thing as a "soul" or "spirit" that is separate of the body (this includes your brain) and which is the source of your rationality. I read some bullcrap descartes wrote on wikipedia and met some people in my philosophy course that are pretty sure, that this is true, while being unable to explain why.

Now i come to you for enlightment.
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>a "soul" or "spirit" that is separate of the body (this includes your brain)
Where can you find serious Cartesian dualists in this day and age? I know that a lot of people like to use them as strawmen but I've literally never encountered anyone who thinks that a soul is an entity that has no connection to your body.
In the traditional sense, a soul is simply a life-force, i.e. the thing ANIMAting your body (no, this is not supposed to be conceived of distinctly from the mind; the 'mind' is just the process whereby you are alive, that is, whereby your body is capable of directing its own movement, or at least believing that it is directing its own movement).
Aristotle, at one point, mentions something about a special kind of the intellect that might be capable of surviving after the body dies. St. Thomas Aquinas took this to mean that this part of the soul is that which is in the presence of God when a person goes to Heaven. Like so many issues, Aquinas is where people start to depart in irreconcilable directions. If he hadn't brought Christianity into the Aristotelian account of the soul, you wouldn't need to be convinced that you have a life-force, or that some process causes or allows your body to move.
Aristotelian functionalism isn't wrong, it's just medically useless.
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Thanks for the reply and the input! Apparently some people at my uni do.
So my "soul" is actually what we call brain/mind? We had a lenghty discussion about whether this is true, because I brought up the point, that human beings achieved their rationality through the effects the evolutionary process had on our brain. Therefore rationality is a product of the layout and composition of our brain. To which they replied that the "soul" is the source of rationality.
Also: How does aristotle come to that conclusion?
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>>1225484
>Apparently some people at my uni do.
Are you sure?
>brain/mind?
Those words are not interchangable.
>To which they replied that the "soul" is the source of rationality.
The soul is the layout and composition of your body such that it is alive. You're both right, they're just wrong to be dualists. If they're Christians, I can't even think of a form of Christianity that seriously endorses Cartesian dualism.
>How does aristotle come to that conclusion?
The same way he comes to every other conclusion: slowly. I'm not going to explain Aristotelian or Cratesian psychology to you, you should read Aristotle and Descartes yourself and stop posting on 4chan. Otherwise you may as well just accept everything your idiot dualist friends say. You've come here looking for opinions to mimic. I've already given you more than you deserve or should want, if you're serious about learning about the history of philosophy.

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So often these crafty little bastards manage to outmaneuver forces 10x their size - ITT share your favorites!

I'll start -
>be Enrico Dandolo, ~64 year old Venetian merchant
>He's brilliant and built like Rambo, despite his age
>sent on an expedition to punish the Byzantines for sacking the Venetian merchant quarters in Constantinople along with the Doge
>fuckingdisaster.wav
>be appointed ambassador in charge of fixing the mess with the ERE
>finally manages to negotiate a half-decent treaty with the Byzantines after 14 grueling years of diplomacy

>Finally returns to Venice
>but the fire of vendetta burns bright within
>go blind, but the blindness only fuels your hatred
>the Byzantines will pay

>elected Doge of Venice in 1192
>builds a sweet armada for the 4th Crusade for sweet profits and because deus vult
>crusaders are broke so they can't afford the ships
>so Dandolo gives them an offer they can't refuse & turns the Crusaders into his own personal hit squad
>turns them on the city of Zara as a test run
>the knights absolutely stomp the defenders - which is what happens when militia try to fight off a surprise crusader attack from the sea

>excommunicated by the Pope for slaughtering a bunch of hapless Catholics with his gang of knights over Adriatic trade rights
>Dandolo doesn't even care
>his hate-boner for the Byzantines compels him to press on

>sicks his gang of knights on Constantinople, along with the Venetian armada
>promises to install the Emperor's son on the throne to gain easy access to the city
>instead he sacks the city, personally commanding the Venetian soldiers despite being like 90 years old and fucking BLIND

>loot the Romans like they looted his countrymen 3 decades ago
>partitions the Empire and take 3/8ths of its territory for the Republic, sets up trade deals in all the rest

>his thirst for revenge sated, finally dies in 1205 at the age of like 98
>buried in Constantinople as a last fuck you to the Empire

Pic related. Guy was a beast
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I'd love to see an adaptation of the life of Dandolo desu

absolute swagger
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And then the Ottomans came and destroyed the Venetian economy.

Well done you stupid fuck
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valuable spices and dead gr**ks will come to you only if you post 'thank you most serene doge' in this thread

Was Hitler really the bad guy? It seems to me as though he wanted peace but was denied. Also, Churchill supported eugenics and biological warfare, so the systematic killing of an entire race of people with poison gas. Ring any bells? Roosevelt had everyone by the balls and kept Europe in war. Hitler always said he wanted peace and said his declarations of peace where ignored, and that the SA was necessary for the Nazis to rise to power.

After WW1 you have a broken Germany with a crashed economy and the iron ball of the treaty of Versailles. Germany was denied its rise of power by the elites that already took the seats. These Elites are...Jews? So he or his colleagues without him knowing initiated a program of mass killing?

How right am I?
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>>1225126
If he wanted peace maybe he shouldn't have declared all those wars
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>>1225126
Nah, he was good guy, it's just poles being butthurt:
>kill 2 billions of germans living in poland a day so they become minority in German Colony of Poland in few years
waaaaaah they killed 2 polish soldiers bad hitler, bad
>destroy warsaw - blame it on germans
>build concentration camps for jews and germans - blame it on germans

literally the worst scum in the world.
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>>1225126
>he wanted peace

Invading a bunch of countries is a weird way to show that.

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Do pictures like this call the alleged racist nature of the german regime into question
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>>1224887

No, because Hitler never frothed at the mouth for the extermination of "colored people". He was a European and a German nationalist, not a filthy American KKK member obsessed with race.
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>>1224887
No, it shows the hypocrisy of it though.
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>>1224887
It's just realpolitik.

Why did they fail?
And why didn't we engage in a similar way in the Chinese Civil War to keep another giant nation from falling into the hands of communism?
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>>1224864

>Why did they fail?

Because by and large, the Whites were composed of the same incompetent boobs that made up the government for the Czar.

>And why didn't we engage in a similar way in the Chinese Civil War to keep another giant nation from falling into the hands of communism?

If by "We" you mean various western powers, we did. It wasn't enough, like in China.
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>>1224864
Reds were backed by God.
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>>1224864
God is on the communist side.

Hence why at this rate Castro is going to live to Methuselah's age.

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> Socrates and Alexander come to 2016 AD
> See modern technology
> See their names are still taught in schools around the world.
> "So this is America, tell me, how is Greece? I assume we are an even mightier empire"
> "Debt slaves to fucking Germanic barbarians, you what!!!!"

How did modern Greece end up so fucked?

Will it ever become a modern prosperous nation state?

What did it in? The civil war after WWII? Communists? Fascists? The EU? Turks?
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Modern greeks aren't the same as ancient greeks
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>>1224582
There's no more Greeks, only Hellenized Turco-Albanians.
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>>1224595
Literally every genetic study done on the topic says no

Why does everyone hate him?

Reading on him I'm starting to realize that he wasn't a bad emperor at all. Maybe a bit more strict than the others, but still, he was a completely sane and competent man who wasn't motivated by self-interest and did the things he did for the sake of the Roman Empire.

Why do people always group him with degenerates such as Commodus, Caligula, Elagabalus and others? I think he deserves better.
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>>1224504
people only hate him because he was the first black emperor
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>>1224504
>Why does everyone hate him?
His disdain for plebs makes them feel inferior.
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>>1224504
I hate him because I look exactly like him.

My buddies bought me a copy of that bust on that account.

How exactly did segregation start in America and why were there so many laws passed that kept non white people like this in fear during that period?
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>>1224503
>How exactly did segregation start in America
Post Reconstruction
>why were there so many laws passed that kept non white people like this in fear during that period?
Because blacks were poor, spoke funny, and were seen as inferior because of their skin color. Plus when a black man committed a crime, it was a huge deal and would get people very angry and upset.
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Were there any other countries that had something like the Segregation laws during that time period? I can't help but feel like America was the only place doing messed stuff like this
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>>1224514
>What are Jewish Ghettos
Also Northern Ireland is still essentially segregated.

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Are popes just a christian adaptation of Pontifex Maximus?
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>>1224278
Popes are literally called pontifex maximus. Bishops are pontifex
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>>1224278

I've never seen a pope build a bridge.
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>>1224278

Literally, explicitly yes.

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Was WWI really a pointless war?
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Pretty much. But at least some shitty empires collapsed.
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No.

How can a war be pointless?
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No.
Shit was going to blow up anyway

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A saw a post by someone I know on Facebook, saying how there are more slaves and human trafficking today than ever before in history. I've heard this before too, however I'm somewhat sceptic. If true, is that not possibly because the population of the world is like 7 times the size it was during the most slave-intensive periods of the 16 to mid-1800s? Could it be that the percentage of slaves worldwide is far lowe than it was historically but the overall number of people is higher?
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Well you could argue that people who have large debts, are slaves. So if you accept that, then there are more slaves then ever today, yea.
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>>1223970
>debt=slavery

Welcome to /his/ everyone.
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>>1223968
It's shifted, you won't see blacks out in fields anymore but you will see them in diamond mines, and women in whorehouses addicted to the drugs their captors force them to take

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Worst president of all time
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>>1223223
3rd worst.
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>>1223223

Nah.

Reagan led to the repealing of Glass-Stegall, Nixon committed treason to get elected (which made all of his achievements during his presidency amazing because of that alone), and we can't talk about Bush Jr and Obama because of the recency rule.
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>Now a second great prohibition would be good
>Totally different from the last one

How could operation Barbarossa be successful?
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Empower Ukrainians and recruit them to be part of the Axis
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never happening to begin with
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At first it was. Poor execution in later stages with absent critical supply lines and appropriate environmental gear made it languish and ultimately lose inertia.

>How could operation Barbarossa be successful?

"Not being a tertiary front" would have been a good fucking start.

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