>2017 >still using CFL lamps How embarrassing.

>>61864165
you don't understand business, do you? CFL is dirt cheap to manufacture, it was milked as long as it could be, and will still continue to be sold in third world countries for the next few decades.

>>61864165
>using lamps at all
>not using your computer monitor to light the room

>>61864513

This. Buying 1000 CFL bulbs looks a lot better on the balance sheet than buying 1000 LED bulbs. Even if it's way more expensive in the long run, too many companies only prioritize as far as the next quarterly or yearly report.

>>61864165
>gizmodo
consider an hero

>>61864513
usage costs are higher for them. only a retard buys the cheapest thing without checking what using it will cost.

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>>61864513

The 3rd world will still use burning metal with stolen power like it always has.

>>61864574
>CREE

Get back in your eastern european cave

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>>61864165
>using anything other than incandescent

>>61864601

But they literally invented the blue LED

>lumecomunists get out

>>61864605

what the fuck is a gs unit

please tell me thats just power supply switching noise and not some human feelable jitter

>>61864574
Nice meme just fuck your sinusoidal current right up.

>>61864574
At least in brazil, there is quite a surge of CFLs everywhere.

>>61864654
I don't know, but CFLs can screw with certain old equipment because the wavelengths happen to interfere with infrared.
https://youtu.be/OjmqTBILs6g

>>61864605
>using air and wire for real and imaginary power

opinion disirregardlessed

>>61864654
gs is just some rating that they came up with I'm just talking about the noise these make.

>>61864605
This is fixed with big capacitors installed by your power company.
They don't even charge you extra for the "dirty power".

Unless you're a big ass factory, then they DO charge extra and you have to clean the mess up.

>>61864165
>LED
Enjoy your eye cancer.
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/122-A81/

>>61864667
Don't have an oscilloscope on hand at the moment to test it myself.

>>61864682
LED's aren't usually too bad anyway but CFL's are just horrible.

>>61864657
>proper power supplies don't exist

There are plenty of LED lights with PF >0.90. Don't buy chink shit with capacitive droppers.

Also plug those chinkshit capacitive droppers lights into a UPS, you'll get a flaming surprise when it goes on battery power.

>>61864671
There already are standard units

>>61864694
tl;dr version: dont stare into leds with dilated pupils for hours on end.

>>61864165

CFL were always a huge scam. The premise that they will save you money in the long run is only valid if the CFL actually last that long... And most never did. I hate CFL so much, let me list the reasons why;

-Does not last as long as claimed. Not long enough to get your money back on the investment.

-Contain mercury. need specialised recycling facility to safely dispose of them.

-light spectrum is sub-par and not neaarly as good as xeon/halogen/incandescent. Colour reproduction is ridiculously bad.

-initial power-up use as much power as continuous runing of 7min. If you use it less than 15 min at a time (closet light), it use more electricity then incandescent.

-some of them have shit power-supply and usually end up oscillation in audible frequency over time. it's super annoying. Also, see shit electric pollution that can interfere with electronics.

>>61864605
This, most comfy.

>>61864874
>not recycling all bulb types

>>61864165
leds may be cool (lel), but problem with them is that nearly every manufacturer is too jewish to install $2 diffuser or make a proper reflector
so it's like miniature sun shining right into your eyes.
oh, and don't forget about fucking retards installing 100W led-module that's turned on whole night

>>61864605
It's this shit harmonics or power factor?

I'm jealous of East Europeans that can still buy incandescent in mass, legally.
Far better than LED and CFL, I don't care about 100W

>>61864874
>-Does not last as long as claimed. Not long enough to get your money back on the investment.
The average CFL has lasted me 5+ years and I don't buy expensive ones.

>>61864605
>air

What the fuck is "air" supposed to mean?

>>61864935
This. Looks way more confy.

Those stupid cfl/ incandescent are way more reliable than led

>>61864165
i ditched all of them in my house after 2 lit on fire, the built in transformers are terrible.

>CFL Lamp
>Compact Fluorescent Lamp Lamp

>>61864956
It was made by a subhuman with an IQ less than 70 that doesn't fully understand what is going on. "Air" is power lost as heat from the light into the air aka real power. "Wire" is the out of phase reactive power that doesn't actually get used but increases current thus increase heat dissipation in the wires of the utility company.

>>61864988
>DVD disks
>Digital Video Disc disks

>>61864999
>Windows NT technology
>Windows New Technology technology

>>61864874

And don't forget that it emits UV light that slowly fucks with plastics, prints, and paintings and makes that nasty ozone smell.

>>61865011
>ATM machine
>Automated Teller Machine machine

>>61864165
>one-year old news
Anyway, http://archive.is/M4pWV

>>61864998
Okay, that makes more sense, thank you.

>calling reactive power and true power 'wire' and 'air'
>

>>61865020
>SSD Drive

>>61864165
i wonder, do they still advertise their light output relative to incandescent bulb wattage like they did with cfl's?
do they compare them to cfl's instead?

>>61865038
I bet you still haven't encountered a "SSD Disk" yet.

I've used LED lights for about 2 years, only one $3 GE died and it was the one above the stove getting covered in cooking grease and heat. It was the most used ones.

I bought my parents CFLs to replace all their incandescents and like 5 of them died after a year.

>>61864165
>by the end of 2016

>>61865038
>>61865059
>LED light
>Light Emitting Diode light

>>61864654
fucks with wifi & humans, depending on the person

I can't be in a room with them for more than an hour. makes me go crazy

>>61865059
>above the stove getting covered in cooking grease
This is why appliance bulbs are still legal.

>>61865088
LEDs come in different shapes and purposes. Light is just shorthand for light-bulb.

>>61864694
>>61864768
rofl
wow who knew you weren't supposed to stare at the direct light sources?

all them hours I spend looking at the sun I thought I was getting more vitamins

>>61865104
or you could have just called it a bulb instead of a light

>>61864539
that's why it will shift to the third world
they take our handmedowns and rely on our old garbage to function
it's pitiful
at least in some places they are smart enough to be able to jack into the power grid and illegally steal power

>>61865059
Take it apart, it's probably something simple like a bad solder joint.

>>61865096
hahahah fuck off

you technology hipsters better kill urselves

>>61864165
I wish they still sold incandescent light bulbs here.
I can afford the power, and I find they produce the nicest light.

difference between CFL and LED is like 3W. utterly meaningless.

>>61865096
You sound like those retarded hippies that protested a nearby celltower saying it's causing headaches and discomfort to nearby residents that were told the tower was inactive and unpowered for years.

>>61864694
I've literally sat in a blue room for over 5 years and I'm the only person in my family without glasses or vision problems in general and I'm in my 30s. I also played video games in the dark infront of bright screens for like 25 years.

>>61865212
tell me about the lumens per watt now faggot

>>61865199
afaic the banning of incandescent bulbs was nothing more than a giveaway to utility companies so they wouldn't have to upgrade their shitty (vulnerable) infrastructure and save them from promoting and lowering the cost of a real energy source (nuclear).

>>61865212

>a 50% reduction is utterly meaningless

>>61865199
You can still find them or halogens if you just look.

Incandescents reign supreme in places like Alaska or other frozen regions. 100w heaters in every light socket.

>>61865199
There's a little mom & pop style electronics shop nearby that advertizes them. I'll bet you plenty old buggers still sell them if you ask.

>>61865283
East Europe too, LED lights became cheap here recently but no one is buying.
Me included, incandescent just give nicer color and are more comfortable to look at.

>>61865212
Put them in a bathroom
>CFLs die in less than a year
>LEDs last decades

Drop them
>LED doesn't even have scuff marks
>CFL gives you poisoned air for years to come

Why is it so hard to find E27 LEDs with 15W or more?
It's like (((they))) want me to buy CFLs.

Fucking LED bulbs
>doesn't work with normal dimmers
>shitty 50hz flickering everywhere
how hard is it to put a fucking cap in there?

>>61865250
>real energy source (nuclear)

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA, no.

>>61865309
>CFL gives you poisoned air for years to come
old meme is old

>>61865315
Ideally, you want a FULL BRIDGE RECTIFIER (and a cap).

>>61865319
Enjoy your intermittent power then. Germany fell for the anti-nuke meme and now needs a new coal plant to make up for the losses in baseload.

>>61864874

I forgot to add, GE originally was planing to counter LED technology with next-gen incandescent miniaturized in high pressure chambers. They invested over 200 milions in the technology and it was supposed to beat LED. Of cource, that technology never worked and they had to join in the LED game late, that's why most industrial designers don't really trust anything LED form them, it's a catchup-product offering.

>>61864952
They are supposed to last 25 years, you only start to see ROI after 7 years. (at least with local prices)

GE Lightning is a huge farce, don't buy form them.

>>61865324
That's still real.

>>61865309
>>CFLs die in less than a year
Wrong.

>>61865315
>>shitty 50hz flickering everywhere
This. CFLs flicker too, but isn't nearly as bad as when LEDs flicker.

>>61864574
So poor people get the best quality of light you can? Damn

>>61865311
>Why is it so hard to find E27 LEDs with 15W or more?

Literally took less than a minute to find
https://www.amazon.com/OUYIDE-Equivalent-Spiral-Daylight-3300LM/dp/B01EAB3P7Y/

>>61865346
>That's still real
not saying it isn't a problem, but for years? fuck no.
https://www.epa.gov/cfl/cleaning-broken-cfl

>>61865315
>>doesn't work with normal dimmers

They do, you just have to look for them. But normal dimmers are electrical cancer so don't use them.

>2020 - 3
>still not using comfy torch lighting

>>61865348
>>>61865309
>>>CFLs die in less than a year
>Wrong.

CFL have a limited anounf of power-ups in their lifetime. if you switch them on-off once per day, they will last years. Flick them 10 times a day, they will last a year.

>>61865348
Leds have a terrifying potential for flicker due being diodes being fed AC power.
either you get half of the leds connected in an orientation with the others connected on the other, thus having those lights blinking alternately, OR you can get a really awful led that have all the leds pointed at the same direction and the thing delivers 25Hz

>>61865397
>But normal dimmers are electrical cancer
How so?

>>61865315
Don't buy the fucking cheapest chinkshit. LEDs with proper power supplies are both dimmable and drive constant current to the LEDs or high frequency PWM.

I hate lighting, I prefer a cave with glowing moss

>>61865345
Westinghouse literally just went bankrupt trying to build new nuclear memes. It's the most expensive power around.

>but muh lel low operating cost if the government pays for construction/disposal/decommissioning/disasters statistics from the nuclear companies!

>>61865457
Nuclear is cost-competitive if the regulations were actually in line with what is actually safe vs placebo and the environmental groups stopped suing the shit out of the utilities and abusing administrative procedures.

One uranium pellet contains as much energy as one ton of coal. Most expensive my ass.

>>61865346
>that's why most industrial designers don't really trust anything LED form them, it's a catchup-product offering.

Wut? You source LEDs from Cree or Lumecon, source a proper driver from china, and you put them in prudy packaging. There isn't a lot of R&D needed.

The only difference in brands is the quality of the drivers and heat dissipation.

>>61865480
URANIUM?! Don't they use those in nukes?!!

>>61865348
>>>CFLs die in less than a year
>Wrong.

Speaking from experience.

>>61865495
B-But what if the reactor explodes? HIROSHIMA 2.0!!111!

>>61865495
Yes, nukes also use water, better stop drinking it.

>>61864165
CFL was never good.

>>61865498
I don't believe you, unless you had some special use case. I've never seen a CFL die in less than 3 years of normal use.

>>61865410
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWh2obSY0dQ

>>61865516
I don't live alone.

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>>61865315
>Fucking LED bulbs
>>doesn't work with normal dimmers

Works with an app though.

>having to get out of bed to change light settings.

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Redpill me on good LEDs. How do I find one that doesn't flicker or that isn't shit in some other way?

I'm looking for something like pic related, but at least 1500lm.

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>>61865283
>>61865303
I wonder if the preference has anything to do with seasonal affective disorder

>>61865554
Buy a incandescent

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>>61865450
mah nigga

Incandescent bulbs give a smooth an complete light spectrum.

Out of all the household energy savings possible lighting represents a small fraction.


Sure we could eat burgers made out of stool and they would taste "about the same" because they are they are cheaper.
But would we?

I prefer to pay (a relatively small) premium for nice and even lighting.

>>61865586
i need to find one of these caves and build my evil secret lab

>>61865403
There are ballasts other than capacitive droppers into a single diode. Only sub $1 nightlights do shit that terrible. Pretty much everything at least uses bridge rectifiers and many have the common courtesy to have smoothing capacitors.

Anything that is dimmable almost surely has constant current supplies but cheap ones switch too slow when being dimmed.

>>61865586
Enjoy your humidity.

>>61865554
I think you can pretty much eliminate any cheap LED's.

I would then find one from a reputable brand with an acceptable price and then research that particular model online.

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>>61865480
>if the regulations were actually in line with what is actually safe vs placebo and the environmental groups

>>/pol/ is that way

>>61865570
Can't, the EU commissars don't allow it.

>>61865642
Well, I have a cheap (6€) LED that works fine, but it's only 12W and they don't make them in higher wattage.

>>61865647
>implying the most regulated industry in burgerstan is a free market

>>61865554
Name brand and buy in bulk

>>61865654
Halogens are also incandescent type and allowed in eu

>>61865283
>using electricity to heat your home.

Enjoy your enormous heating bill.

>>61865679
>t. city dweller

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>>61865666
>but they weren't TRUE fiscal conservatives
>fiscal conservatism has never been tried

>>61865654
Nobody will prevent you from buying a damn incandescent, how would anyone even know?

>>61865697
>trying this hard to cover his lack of information

>>61865679
>only heating the room you're in
>not the best efficiency

Threadripper + Vega x2 will be my space heater this winter.

>>61865554
Philips is the leader in lighting technology

If you buy Philips bulbs they probably won't suck.

>>61865689
You have to live in a city to burn wood?

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>>61865718
>Nuclear doesn't need regulations

Read a history book

>>61865729
Only 3 major meltdowns in its lifetime is a pretty excellent track-record, all things considered.

>>61865729
Fake news, only trust real nuclear companies to report the truth©.

>>61865729
>Nuclear doesn't need regulations

>If the regulations were actually in line with what is actually safe vs placebo

Try reading faggot.
>>>/g/reenpeace

>haven't bought lightbulbs in like ten years because of stockpile
>check all the websites
>they're all LEDs now
Sweet. I'm gonna go shopping today. Thanks, OP

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>>61865733
>only 3 fuck ups

Read a history book.

>>61865480
You couldn't be any more wrong. Exactly the opposite is the truth. Nuclear power is not competitive unless it has a monopoly over the territory the plant is servicing. So much so that nuclear power plant operators are scrambling to get out of the generation business entirely, all while begging regulators and the public for handouts. If the free market alone decided these things, there wouldn't be nuclear power plants anymore.

Being heavily invested in certain utilities, I learned this first hand watching some of my investments tank.

>http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20170222/NEWS/170229921/firstenergy-talks-bankruptcy-and-need-for-bailout-of-its-nuclear

>>61865705
I said that half jokingly. Sure I can get an inc., but I'd rather have a LED that lasts longer and is more energy efficient.

>>61865722
Even the cheap ones like this
http://www.lighting.philips.com/main/prof/led-lamps-and-tubes/led-lamps/corepro-ledbulbs/929001171502_EU/product
Can someone confirm they don't flicker?
And 1520lm seems a bit optimistic at 13.5W, no?

Testing my browser

>>61865743
>everyone who criticizes nuclear power must be a commie hippy

From a business standpoint, it's fucking retarded. That's why no company ever wants to fund building one themselves.

The government ends up paying for it and ""gifting"" it to some fuck to run it. That fuck then ""gifts"" the politicians campaign funds with his free money machine. Those politician then tell red neck voters that nuclear power is a miracle drug that cures all our problems and we need more and don't listen to dem druggies who are out to make their kids gay.

>>61865755
The regulations on nuclear power plants are ridiculously excessive, and each plant is a custom design. Countries that standardized have better economics obviously, but what did Westinghouse in was Toshiba cooking their books as well as shale gas offering a cost-efficient alternative.

>>61865803
A sign of how fucked up everything is. We need modernization. Gen III+ and IV plants would be incredibly economical.

>>61865689
This reply makes absolutely no sense. His comment would imply he's almost certainly NOT a city dweller

>>61864165
>2017
>still use incandescent lamps exclusively
>feels good man

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>>61865775
>>61865722
What's the competition for Philips? Is there anyone trying hard to take them over in the market? I'm interested in reinstalling all my lights in this house and would like to know which brands to look at and which to avoid.

>>61864165
Great! I love paying $40 for a lightbulb.

>>61865889
NOO YOU ARE KILLING THE PLANET

>>61865889
Where can I buy them? If I can find them for sale I'll buy 100 of them

>>61865949
Do you live in the US?
I am an incandescent lighting specialist (autist) but I can't really help you unless you live in the US.

>>61865911
I'd rather pay more up front than more long term on replacements and power. I can't see any reason not to save money while also enabling my laziness, I don't want to remove my bulb covers all the time.

>>61865910
Look for teardowns on youtube.

>>61865975
>bulb covers
They're called shades famalam.

>>61865807
>The regulations on nuclear power plants are ridiculously excessive
There's a very valid reason for that considering the consequences could not possibly be worse except for nuclear war. Not everything is dem librul tree huggers

You should really watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezohqY-vg4s

>>61865964
Yes

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>>61865983
If this is a joke it's not funny

>>61865975
I have dozens of lamps. I'd rather pay 25 cents for a replacement lightbulb every 3-5 years than have to spend $40 five dozen times.

>>61865991
What the fuck do you not understand about the word "excessive"? Nuclear plants can't emit radiation above 15 millirem when Finland has natural background radiation thousands of times higher. Are the Finnish mutants? I don't think so, so quit spouting your ignorant, uninformed opinions about shit you haven't tried to understand.

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>>61866020
>Are the Finnish mutants? I don't think so

>>61865975
You're either a cuck or a really, really young Millennial who never knew incandescent technology.

>>61866034
I'm 25 and only 1 light in my house is cfl, I have at least 2 boxes of incandescent bulbs and they're shit in comparison when your focus is longevity, I couldn't care less about what it looks like, I'm colorblind anyway so subtle tone differences are mostly lost on me. I want to set it and forget it while also saving money long term.

Sell me on these filament poppers if you think you can.

>>61866054
>when your focus is longevity
25 cents every 5 years is plenty long.

>>61866054
>tfw went cfl a decade ago and only had to replace them because i wanted to upgrade to led

>>61866034
>muhlennials
Unless you're turning/have turned 18 this year, not being a millennial means you're at least 35 at this point.

>>61866001
You're in luck because incandescent lamps are basically still sold in every store that sells light bulbs in the US.

The most common "general purpose" incandescent lamps you'll find are the newfangled ones with halogen capsules available in 28, 43, 53, and 72 watts. If you need single lamps with very high brightness, you can still find 150, 200, and 300 watters fairly easily.

I prefer Sylvania lamps, but GE is also common and not too bad. You might also find Philips but those are made in China and just as expensive as USA-made Sylvania, so I don't see the point in buying those.

The "Great Value" halogen incandescent lamps at Walmart seem to be made by Sylvania and exactly the same, so those are a good option and often cheaper than Sylvania from other stores.

If you need some sort of specialty stuff, I can assist further.

>>61866016
I'm too autistic to make jokes. They're typically called shades.

>>61866054
>I'm colorblind

Cripples don't get to complain about dilemas of healthy people, fuck off you leper.

>>61864549
>usage costs
yea sure I'm going to pay off those lamps in like 1000 years with my solar panels that generate free light...

>>61866031
genuine kek

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>>61866073
Why compromise though? The only arguments I'm hearing are "it's good enough for me", why settle when I don't have to. If there was a valid reason to NOT switch then maybe I'd consider it, but the appeal of a lightbulb that is not only more efficient but longer lasting seems like a no brainer to me.

>>61866077
I can't even remember when I got the one CFL I have, it just went out today and I'm sure it lasted over 8 years at least at this point.

>>61866097
>complain
The only people complaining are the incandescent cucks who don't know how to think long term.
>but muh golden eyes
Doesn't apply to me, couldn't care less. I have my lights on almost 24/7, I want a cheaper cost of runtime with minimal downtime. Do you faggots seriously expect me to sit in the dark when the boogeyman could get me at any moment? Not on my watch.

>>61866093
>They're typically called shades.
What about the clear ones? I have a bunch of clear glass for my cieling fans, not like this picture but still clear glass.

>>61864601
That plastic cree bulb doesn't last as long as the aluminum ones

>>61865401
Bad design

>>61865403
LEDs can be made non flicker but they cost more.

Still better usage cost vs CFL

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rate my bulbs

>>61866020
I backed up what I said, twice. It's okay to admit you're wrong.

Also don't ever call yourself conservative, idiots like you make us all look bad.

>>61865697
>reagan
democratic congress
>bush 41
democratic congress
>clinton
republican congress
>bush 43
democratic congress

>>61865775
1520 lm / 13.5w?

You can buy 140lm/W-150lm/W with non flicker.

>>61866093
Osram = Sylvania

>>61866193
Yes, i'm aware of the advantages of the FULL BRIDGE RECTIFIER! (and a cap)

>>61866198
Linking to a documentary (I will watch it) that uses unfounded statistics in the description is not evidence. The international committees put together post-Chernobyl have not reported what is claimed in that description. And I already said nuclear was assblasted by shale gas.
If you want a real look at nuclear power, read "Power to Save the World" by Gwyneth Cravens, a former anti-nuke activist who talked to people deeply involved in the scientific aspects of nuclear safety and debunks all your tired old memes.

Getting away from people defending reality, which is better, CFL or LED?

>>61866282
LED>CFL

>>61866231
>buying Nazi shit

Fuck offf

>>61864165
Why would I throw out a perfectly functional lamp just because there's a slightly better alternative available?

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>>61866296
Nazis knew what was good and made good things too. I trust Nazi tech.

>>61865011
>not Windows new NT technology, resulting in Windows New New Technology Technology
pleb

>>61865457
>Westinghouse literally just went bankrupt trying to build new nuclear memes. It's the most expensive power around.
Bullshit. The operating and fuel costs are basically free if you can swallow the start-up cost. The initial investment is expensive, yes. The actual cost of power over the projected lifetime is the lowest of any power source, and most nuclear plants will stay functional long after that.

>>61865216
I don't doubt your experience with the matter, but that might be survivorship bias.

It'll take a few years of LED lighting being prolific and standard to really see the effects.

>>61866382
I believe AP1000 reactors are/were expected to have a 60 year lifecycle, as well as being cheaper to build. Even gas can't compete with that.

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>>61866270
>an entire city uninhabitable and abandoned
>tried old memes
I'm starting to think you're the victim of a nuclear accident yourself

>Flickers your path

>>61866493
*click* heh... nothing personal bulb, I just enjoy the darkness

>>61866484
Most of the contamination has already decayed, but it will never be habitable again as it's become a nature preserve. Same story around Fukushima. So yes, you are full of tired old memes.

>>61864574
I'm from Brazil, 99% of the lightbulbs I use are the LED type. Only the oven bulb is the incandescent type.

>>61866524
Well, Allah willing, they'll build the next one in your backyard completely deregulated

>>61866591
It's amazing how retarded you're being, and sadly I know you aren't trolling.

I would happily live next to a nuclear plant over a gas or coal plant. And there you go again, not taking the "excessive" qualifier into account.

>>>/pol/
>>>/b/
>>>/out/

>not lighting your home with thousands and thousands of wedge-fit T3.25 incadescents

>>61866231
Sylvania is owned by Osram, but the lamps you find as "Sylvania" in the US are totally different from the lamps you find as "Osram" in Europe. Sylvania incandescent lamps for the US market are actually still made in Pennsylvania.

>>61866149
>What about the clear ones? I have a bunch of clear glass for my cieling fans, not like this picture but still clear glass.
Well, it's sort of stupid because they're not actually shading anything at that point, but they are just called clear shades.

>>61866196
>Mexican Philips
Not too bad.
>Sylvania
Nice
>GE, not sure of COO
Meh to decent
>Sunbeam
Some of the worst junk in existence

Also you don't have very many. Sorry but I can only give you a 3/10 for your efforts. Not a particularly high quality or long-lasting bulb hoard.

All this talk about cost, and nobody even mentions spectra or block body radiation. Incandescents are the best for this reason alone. MIT is working on cheap, long-lasting, efficient incandescents. Shit is going to rule.

>>61867053
I have a whole double crawlspace filled with more but they're in the back and I don't want to get the step stool. I think the majority is more Sylvania and GE anyway though.

Show off your bulbs bruh.

>>61866636
You're somehow trying to conflate that disagreement with regulations being excessive means anti-nuke when I started by saying I'm heavily invested in a nuclear power company. Not to mention I was soundly disproving your original point while mentioning said investment.

Then somehow pol, b, what?

You're stupid, no troll.

I still have incandescent lights. I suppose I'll replace them as they burn out. Which should be soon.

>>61864165
>2017
>not using sunlight

>>61865910
>burning since whatever

>recent 6 hour blackout

I thought the whole point was to not let it experience blackouts?
Doesn't the fire station have backup batteries and generators?

Bullshit light should have just been thrown in the garbage after the first blackout.

>>61867085
Spectrum is certainly an issue.

But most modern non-shit LED's emit a decent spectrum.
And you don't have to get autistic over spectrum - as long as the vast majority of surfaces reflect well you have a perfectly fine light for indoor use.

>>61864165
> He actually uses lightbulbs.
> He doesn't use his electricity solely to power his computer and fridge and just uses a makeshift torch whenever he needs light.
How shameful.

>>61867590
me bic lighter when me drop item on ground near desk
what shine you make? how make shine you?

>>61864165

When I moved into my new place all of the bulbs were CFL. Half of them were dead and the other half were dying - took 10 minutes to heat up etc.

Ended up buying 40 odd LED bulbs and replaced every single fucker in the house - oven rangehood, bedside lights, all outside and inside lights, etc. Also did the garage cathodes with those retrofit ones

Haven't got my power bill since, but living in Australia it'll be interesting to see what happens

>>61867620
Me rip shirt and wrap it on stick, put stick in lard of animals I hunt, and make light with matches I find in dumpsters.
Save many golds, buy many computer parts.

>>61867088
We moved recently and most of them are still packed away.

My "general purpose" hoard consists of about a dozen four packs of modern Sylvania halogens, a case of 12 of the old 100 watt Sylvania halogens (1800 lumens with 3000 hour life, they're among the best lamps ever made and rare as hell), and a couple six packs of 100 watt Sylvania Silver Bowl lamps for exposed lamp fixtures (which have been out of production for a while also).

>>61867647
>garage cathodes
By cathodes you just mean fluorescent tubes, right?

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>>61867708
>lard of animals
throg getting excited. (me throg)

>>61867728

Yeah, those big 1.2M CCFL tubes that you find in garages and offices. CBF rewiring so just used LED retrofit tubes

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>lightbulbs elitism and caveman roleplay
This is a good thread

>>61864513
you're better off buying incandescent lights than CFLs, they have better quality light, and are significantly cheaper even considering the shorter lifespan.

There's a reason theaters and studio lighting skipped CFLs, and stuck with tungsten filament until LED rolled around.

>>61867769
>1.2m
>implying they're not four feet

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>not using tiki torches for lighting exclusively

>>61866282
LEDs are pretty much better than florescent in every way, the only thing florescent has going for it is being cheap. LEDs are almost as good as incandescent bulbs but they're way more efficient.

Florescent:
Can have trouble starting up during cold seasons especially outside.
Wears down fast if its turned on/off frequently.
Not as durable as LEDs at surviving drops or other stuff.
Filled with mercury vapor which is poisonous.
The light tends to be more blue-ish which looks weird.

Drop cfl on floor. weaponized mercury.

>>61867244
The few crees I bought have terrible spectrum, and that's supposed to be one of the better brands. LEDS always look butt to me, even cfls look nicer, and at the least, my family agrees. Even cfl monitors look nicer than led monitors, no blue tint to everything, unless you pay out the nose.

Incandescent are just too nice though.

>>61868057
It's actually not that serious because the amount of mercury is very small but you're still supposed to open all windows and let the room air out for like an hour before re-entering the room.

>>61866208
During those presidents the congress flipped back and forth several times.

>>61867183
It was moved to a new fire station in 1976

>>61865356
>Incandescent
>Best quality
Top bait

Why do LED's look so much better on front car lights?

>>61864165
ge lightbulbs are a shit

>incandescent - burns out in 1 month despite 9month advertisement
>cfls - arnt even worth making obviously
>leds - burn extra power off as heat because because they are too cheap to make a half decent transformer and use bottom of the barrel chink parts

their leds arnt even efficient, and they will fail in a few months from using cheap parts.

>>61868600
Probably just because there's more light sources so the light is more spread out and it fills in more area.

>>61868197
Crees also have 120Hz flicker.

>>61868809
Is there a single good led manufacturer?

>>61868850
Philips seems decent from what I've read, but I haven't tried any yet personally.

>>61864165
>falling for the led meme
Are you retarded?

>>61866538
>buying a R$20+ lamp while a R$5 one lights the same and lasts more
Must suck being dumb

>>61868548
>every other type of bulb tries to mimic the color temperature of incandescent
>b-but we're superior guys

>>61868548
No flickering,
color temperature close to that of a neutral flame
perfect color reproduction

Yep, for me that's pretty much the best quality of light you can get.
Literally every other technology tries to mimic it.

>>61869200

I don't know why you would want some disgusting yellow light source in your house. if i wanted my nice white and gray walls to look like my newborns diaper I'd aim'n'squeeze.

"Daylight"/High-K LED's were the best thing to ever happen to lights since the damn fucking things were invented

>>61869200
Technically they're trying to mimic the color temperature of natural sunlight which incandescent happens to almost perfectly match. LED is not far off though and the savings in electricity are worth it in the long run.

>>61869200
>>61869242
>going by various values on wide kelvin scale
>"mimicking"
>neutral flame color, not color of the sun
Good memes. 4000K is superior either ways. Only thing I can give you is CRI but needing 100W in an incandescent to get usable brightness to even see your CRI is really shitty.

>>61864574
I love the plebian light bulb, the yellow tint is nice. Florescent light bulbs hurt my eyes.

>>61865216
what the fuck do I have to do with stupid hippies?
LEDs are fine and incandescent are fine

CFL are fucking annoying
idc about the stupid planet, it's fucked while we're here and it'll heal itself

>>61869311
The sun burns way hotter than any incandescent lamp filament.

>>61869327
100 watts really isn't all that much. Even when residential lighting was 99.999% incandescent, it made up a relatively small portion of the power grid's consumption.

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>>61864605
Thus LED instead.

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>No Phat T12 lighting your flat

>>61869375
>100 watts really isn't all that much
And how many lights do you have in your tiny ass apartment? Because they add up quickly in any decently sized home.

>>61869423
thicccccc

>>61869435
RX Vega is far more efficient heater than multiple 100w bulbs.

>meming about GPUs in a lighting thread
Doesn't even deserve a reply. Just kill yourself.

>>61869435
I live in a house with plenty of lights, but we don't leave them all on at the same time, obviously. At most there's a few rooms lit at once, but it's usually just one or two.

>>61864574

>disgusting white lights

>>61866524

>never be habitable again

>make catalyst that speeds up decay
>spray it around
>boom all radiation is freed immediately

>>61870090
>>make catalyst that speeds up decay
Good fucking luck.

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>>61870109

Someone will do it eventually

I mean, the retard atoms are going to stay in the ground and not stop being retarded for quite some time

>>61869187
>being a poorfag

>>61864165
Sorry anon, I replace them as they die.

>>61864874
I've had at least 1-3 catch fire a year since 99.

thats why I dont like them

>>61865911
>$40

Maybe 5 years ago.

1600lm LEDs (100W eq) are $10 at most and you can get them for ~$4 each if you buy multipacks
800lm LEDs (60W eq) are $5 and you can buy a dozen for ~$1.5 each

>>61865379
that motherfucker is going to be my new porch light.

>>61866034
>enjoying piss yellow light

I've never liked that shit. 5000K for life.

>But muh nostalgia

>>61866092
90s kids are not millennials.

>>61866184
People wanted instant on CFLs. Either you kill them quickly or people won't buy them.

>>61865697
>t. clinton in charge of looting and bankrupting social security

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>>61866031
ebin

>>61869339
>the yellow tint is nice

No.

>>61868548
>He doesn't know what CRI is.

>>61866020
>Nuclear plants can't emit radiation above 15 millirem

>>61870990
>Being this retarded.
Incandescent light has far better color reproduction than any led or cfl.
Google CRI retard.

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>>61864574

I've noticed a lot of "artisinal" old style filament lights in higher end restaurants lately.

>>61866073
Not if you need to get on a two-storey+ ladder to change them

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>>61871764
Led master race reporting in.

>>61869311
incandescents don't come remotely close to matching real sunlight, who the fuck are you trying to kid here

>>61870546
Isn't the main argument for buying leds the power consumption? Looks like you are the retard poorfag here

>>61864165
I still use incandescent. Fuck you

LED's are actually cheaper to manufacture than CFL lamps. The only reason they are so expensive is because companies still want to make money from CFLs because the infrastucture they built up to produce them is expensive. GE is making the correct decesion, CFLs will become redundant no matter how hard conpanies try to push them, by moving ahead, they will have a lead over other companies and can save money by not producing expensive CFLs. After all an LED is just a semiconductor inside a globule of resin, meanwhile with CFLs you have to deal with enviormental regulations and unions sueing you over mercury poisoning.

>>61872685
LEDs >> incandescent >>>>>>>>> CFLs

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>>61869311
>Daylight has a spectrum similar to that of a black body with a correlated color temperature of 6500 K (D65 viewing standard) or 5500 K (daylight-balanced photographic film standard).
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature

>>61864165
enjoy your fucking flickering
source: four LEDs in my bathroom

>>61869423
nice cheese sticks

>>61873745
Maybe try buying something other than the absolute dirt cheapest bulbs you can find.

>>61869311
No, CRI not color temperature.

>>61873745
>have 6 LEDs
>none of them visually flicker

>>61868809
More like their brightness varies slightly at 120Hz. With human logarithmic vision, you won't be able to notice it.

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>>61868197
>cfls look nicer

CFLs have utter shit spectrum.

>>61871713
Were they LED or Tungsten?

>>61864165

Here's the gist of the article

>MUH SMARTBULBS

>>61869375
>100 watts really isn't all that much. Even when residential lighting was 99.999% incandescent, it made up a relatively small portion of the power grid's consumption.

Energy use has been dropping 2-8% each year since 2006

remember CFL have mercury power in them so don't throw them in the trash

>>61869499
OC'ed Threadripper/i9 + dual Vega64s + quad monitors will use ~1400W leaving you only 200W for the rest of your room. Either live in darkness or embrace LEDs.

>>61874039
CFL spectrum is roughly on par with LED or even better, and its GAI is much closer to incandescent.

http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/nlpip/lightinganswers/lightsources/relationship2.asp

>>61874692
*CRI not spectrum, excuse me. CRI is often used as judgement of spectrum quality, though perhaps not the best.

the last philips incandescent lights I bought didn't last more than a few months. I suspect they made them terrible on purpose...

>>61874692
Are you blindo? Look at any CFL through a diffraction gradient. It's shit.

>>61873997
I have a Cree and I can clearly see it flicker if I just wave a hand in front of it. It's that bad.

I don't know if every model they've ever made is that bad, but the fact that this was ever sold is completely unacceptable.

Regardless, I think it's ridiculous to risk potential health effects just because you can't see the flicker. There is no excuse for lamps having ANY 120Hz fluctuation. None. At all. It's purely just manufacturers saving a penny on insufficient filtering.

>>61875753
The eye can't see above 60fps.

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>>61864574
>dat bottom right

>>61874692
LED spectrum depends a lot on what you're buying. Cheap shit has a low to medium CRI. Good ones can get close to incandescent.

>>61874692
>http://www.lrc.rpi.edu/programs/nlpip/lightinganswers/lightsources/relationship2.asp
>LEDs are 10-20 lm/W and tie with burning metal.

What the fuck am I reading? Are they seriously comparing straw-hat LEDs to T8/T5 tubes?

>>61877056
>© 2004

That data is horribly out of date. LED only got good enough for lighting about 10 years ago and cheap enough about 5 years ago.

>>61864165
>use botnet bulbs instead.

>>61876920
Even low end 80CRI LEDs are good enough for most people. Red is overrated.

>>61870090
Never be habitable again because if the ruskies not allowing it, not because it's dangerous. Much of the decay happened in just a few years, a lot of it in days and weeks.

>>61879531
Nuclear shills are the worst

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>>61865511

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>>61877056
GE, one of the worst LED makers, has a 1600 lumen bulb that uses 16 watts. In case you suck at math, that's 100 lumens per watt.

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poorfags can't into ambiance/have no soul

>>61879659
enjoy being raped by a polar bear then

My monitor is still CCFL, probably got one of the last ones that Dell made.

I've been wanting a new one for a while, but my GPU is too weak for 1440 and... were are obvious issues in buying a GPU at the moment, unless i just settle on a 1080p for now.

I tested the wattage of 2 bulbs
vintage meme incandescent 40 watt claimed used exactly 40 watts
GE LED 13 watts used 17 watts
Vintage incandescent was max comfy.

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>>61879715
That's common as fuck.

>>61880044
That was the point. 20 lumens per watt isn't realistic.

>>61880044
>>61879715
Diminishing returns perhaps?

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>>61879889
I use LED versions of those. Considering they are all behind a shade, and I work 3rd shift hours (and my wife keeps my hours), I prefer to have shit as energy efficient as possible.

We just prefer the warm color.

>>61880083
Nah. Just severely outdated info.

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>>61880197
None of my bulbs buzz. But I don't use dimmers.

>>61879977
I'll beat him with my solar panel.

>>61880022
>GE LED 13 watts used 17 watts

LEDs draw less power when they heat up.

>>61880238
you'll have plenty of time to do that at night when you have no electricity.

>>61880197
hey man at least it can double as a frag grenade in case of an alien invasion

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>>61880197
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LED lamps and LEDs in general fucked up my circadian rhythm, true story

I had non 24 hour sleep cycle disorder and I had to switch to yellow colored CFL party light bulbs to cure it

>>61880394
Why wouldn't you just use LEDs that are 2400k? It's essentially the same thing. Alternatively, Edison incandescents?

Also, CFLs are pretty much universally renowned for being the worst of the lot - the jack of all trades, master of none.

>>61880462
Honestly I don't wanna mess it up again by experimenting

Can you show me a light frequency graph for a 2400k led?

What really fucks me up is the blue light around 480nm, I also wear blue blocking glasses after sunset

>current year
>not using electroluminescent lighting

>>61880394
I can't fucking sleep right anymore I'm going to try to get incandescent or something since I've moved I've just gotten all led bulbs.

>>61880394
Sodium vapour lamps?

>>61880462
>the jack of all trades, master of none

Wrong expression. CFL is the to light-bulb arena what CS is to STEM.

>>61880573
>not using 555nm green lights for maximum luminous efficacy

>>61881038
>Sodium vapour lamps

Nah I just use party lights, they're CFLs with a yellow or red filter

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>>61878894
But red makes computers run faster