/hpg/ - Headphone General

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I prefer on-ear.

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

>>61561803
HD650 ofc

>>61561803
>second best
You mean the HD600.

I bought a pair of Sennheiser HD600s in the year 2000, talk about ahead of the game.

>>61561900
Update your life. MSR7 are the new meta, have been for a while.

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>>61561925
>MSR7

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>>61561925
Looks like they probably sound pretty nice, if a bit deficient in the upper midrange.

Why is no one recommending Utlrasone pro 900? Better closed headphones literally don't exist. Also what's really weird about them is how well they handle equalization. You can literally make them sound any way you want.

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>>61562045
>Ultrasone

I need a recommendation. I want good sound isolating iems and good sound. Looking into the 1more triple drivers. Don't wanna spend more than 100.

>>61562091
b-b-baka

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>>61562045
>better closed headphones literally don't exist he said
Christ, these are as bad as DT990.
>Also what's really weird about them is how well they handle equalization. You can literally make them sound any way you want.
You can literally make most headphones sound any way you want.

>>61562095
Etymotic MK5

>>61562107
try adding lows to HD 598 and they turn into shit

>>61562045
>Ultrasone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34S4Tt1EuQ

>>61562123
You can bring the sub-bass up to the midbass's level on the 598 (and most open dynamics) without audible distortion. Any more bass than that is excessive.

>>61562107
A graph is not a headphone, especially considering how weird is the design of this one is. I really think you should try them, not just judge them by a shitty graph. Yes they are not very good out of the box, but I don't think there are many better sounding headphones and for sure there not better sounding closed headphones.

>>61562265
>A graph is not a headphone
Correct. It is an objective representation of a headphone's timbre. In this case, the timbre is objectively shit.

>>61562164
Are you sure we are talking about the same headphones? The moment I introduce even slight lows bump they being sounding veiled as fuck.

>>61562265
>for sure there not better sounding closed headphones.
Status CB-1 measure better than your shitcans and are $79.

>>61562294
Then boost the fucking upper mids and/or treble, or reduce the midbass a bit before bringing the subbass up to the midbass's level. It's not my fault you don't know how to EQ. I bet you even use a graphic equalizer.

>>61562313
Too bad I own literally every meme headphone on this board, this does not work on me. Status CB-1 are literally garbage.

>>61561761
Sony XB950BT are the best over ear, bluetooth headphones you can get for under $100 new

>>61562332
That's literally what I am doing. Veilheiser fanboys rejoice.

>>61562139
>PRO 900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgV6lTVtoTA&t=8s

https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/UltrasonePRO900.pdf jesus the bass on these has about 500% too much melanin.

>>61562332
>I bet you even use a graphic equalizer.
>>61562380
>That's literally what I am doing.
Confirmed for don't know how to EQ.
>graphic equalizers

>>61562375
I bought a pair for work. Very uncomfortable for me. Been trying to get rid of them since.

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Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

>>61562045
ZMF Eikon

>>61561761
>MMCX connectors
>Durability (Machined) ≥500 cycles
wat

does this mean if I removed and attached the cables for headphones/earphones with this connector, it will be dying after a year and a half?

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I shill beyerdynamic in these threads but I'm surprised at the reaction of the used market to the availability of the hd 6xx group buy. There are an abundance of second hand hd600s at $200 and less.
I've never even heard a pair of sennheisers, looking forward to picking up a pair when I get my student disbursement check.
If anyone needs a pair US ebay has a bunch up right now

>>61562894
Im not sure why this is though, I personally would want an authentic HD650, if I was in the market.

>>61562907
>I personally would want an authentic HD650, if I was in the market.
so would I, but 50% off for what is basically the same thing is hard to pass.

>>61561803
HD580

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ok fuck this. I think I'll finally give in and just do it. These are endgame-tier for closed headphones, right? I'm happy I learned about this before wasting money on a TH-X00 or Emu Teak I guess, but I'm still hesitant.

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Are the X2s only available used? I've been pleased with SHP9500 and thought they would be a good upgrade.

>>61563547
X2 a shit. Get an HD6XX instead.

>>61563597
>shipping in December

>>61563597
No thanks.

>budget
$600 inc dac; flexible
>location
united states
>source
my pc nothing else
>type
either iem or open, whichever doesnt sound like mud
>comfort required
godlike comfort. so probably iem.
>signature
something not muddy all over. neutral I guess.
>history
i have hd439s (from highschool days) and they're too fucking muddy. i think my car has better sound.

have you heard the difference between the 1987 emi Abbey Road and the black triangle? I want hardware that sounds like the black triangle.

>>61563547
Just save up and get an HD600.

can someone help me EQ my superlux hd668b.
the treble hurts my ears at times.

>>61563768
HD600

>>61563773
So I guess I should come back at another time to ask my question.

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>>61563777
https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/how-to-automatically-eq-your-headphones-to-online-measurements-a-step-by-step-guide.854773/
Use this image as reference. It's diffuse field compensated.

>>61563829
Why not raw response?

>>61563777
>>61563829
As an addendum, while the example in the guide EQ's 20 Hz to 10,000 Hz, in your case it's probably OK to EQ 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz, the range of human hearing, since your headphone's high frequency extension is a lot better than the MDR-V6's.

>>61563829
>+7db at 8.5k

my dt 990s are laughing at the poor treble resolution

>>61563961
If you EQ that graph to flat you'll have headphones neutral to the diffuse field curve. If you then follow one of the suggestions in that guide for what to do with diffuse flat EQ settings (treble reduction, gently downward sloping line or Harman target) you'll end up with something great sounding.
EQing a raw response to a flat line will produce something that doesn't sound very good and will be very deficient in the upper mids.
EQing Headroom's compensated response to flat and adjusting it from there is better than EQing Headroom's raw response to a target curve and adjusting it from there because Headroom's compensation uses a target curve specifically designed for their specific dummy head.

>>61563760
Okay, get an X2 then.

>>61561761
are you guys all headphones or earphones too?

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hey guys so i received my onkyo dpx1a dap today and hooked them up to my ca andromedas. however, on soft parts or whenever i lower the volume down to a minimal level, there is a good amount of static/distortion. does anyone know why or how to fix it? im also using spotify premium as my source. thanks!

>>61564027
Headphones (Over ear/on), earphones (IEMs/Earbuds) and Speakers.

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>>61563829
Just updated this link with instructions on how to adjust diffuse field flat EQ settings to Brüel & Kjær's optimum hifi curve (pic related).

>>61564058
External DAC

>>61564161
doesn't do it on my macbook or iphone though

>>61564067
>"optimum"

>>61564227
wtf i love apple now

>>61564161
but it already has a dedicated internal dual dac

>Budget $600
>Location California
>Source ??
>Type of headphone the ones that go over my ears
>Open or closed Open/no real preference
>Comfort level Comfy pls
>Sound signature ??
>Past headphones 598

I don't really know what all these fancy terms people use mean but whats the best DAC/Amp and headphone combo I can get for around 500-600? My current headphones aren't too bad btw, so mainly looking for an amp thing

>>61564494
Check out the Schiitr if you're in the LA area.

Why is the hd600 usually suggested over the Etymotic er4? The er4's frequency response looks better than anything else I've seen and they're only like $300.
Really thinking about getting a pair.

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Im was looking through my audio settings and saw this on Dell Audio

What the fuck does it do?

>>61564642
amp y/n, probably.

>>61564642
It physically changes the size of your headphones.

I'm considering IEMs. http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone-list/?model_search=&headphone_price1=100&headphone_price2=1000&average_rating1=9&average_rating2=10&sound_rating1=9&sound_rating2=10&build_rating1=0&build_rating2=5&isolation_rating1=0&isolation_rating2=5&comfort_rating1=0&comfort_rating2=5&microphone_rating1=0&microphone_rating2=5&accessibility_rating1=0&accessibility_rating2=5

$400 would be ideal. of the ones there with high 'sound' scores, the Alclair Reference is $400, custom art Fibae 1 is $350, CTM-200 is $400, westone W40 is $500, in-ear SD3 is $480, and earsonics ES3 is $400. should I be considering anythng else?

>>61564242
I EQ my speakers to that curve and they sound like sex with mai waifu. I suppose you know more about audio than the world's largest manufacturer and supplier of sound and vibration measurement equipment, though.

>>61564797
Im asking this seriously.

>>61565039
delete that shit

>>61565039
>seriously using dell drivers

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My Looseheiser HD800 have spent the last 24 hours wrapped super tight with elastic bands, this better make them actually fit snug or I'm going to be mad.

>>61564494
HD600 + https://hifimediy.com/sabre-dac-uae23 + Magni 2

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The official headphone of /hpg/

>>61564626
Yes, ER-4SR sound better than HD600 or any other headphone, but most people won't want to have Etymotics in their ears all day long. They're far from optimal for long-term comfort.

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>>61565073
1/10

>>61565051
You must have a small head. Also, Hotaru a cute, but Komari a cuter.

>>61565111
more like normies valley

>>61565039
I would seriously delete/disable that software. The only system-wide audio enhancements you will ever need are Equalizer APO and, if you game, Razer Surround Pro, which, while it doesn't work with Equalizer APO, has its own EQ. Yes, you can pirate Razer Surround Pro. If you don't desire EQ then free Razer Surround is fine; block Synapse in your firewall after logging into it once because it's spyware.

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>>61565111
>rapey treble = Mt. Clinton

>>61563547

I had L2's and upgraded to X2's. I believe they stopped production of X2's recently, hence why they are only available used.

I can't speak for the 9500's, but going from the L2's to the X2's was a jump worth having. X2's sound clearer (but not totally clear when compared to ad1000x) with more soundstage and better bass (quantity and quality, but not total bass cannons unless you put leather pads on them).

Having said that, the jump was only a $30 difference as I got the L2's for $130 and the X2's for $160. If you can get them under $200, that'd be great. Anything approaching the MSRP would be silly because there are better alternatives once you get up there (hd6xx for example, but then you'd need an amp).

tl;dr: Wurf if you don't have an amp and can get them under $200.

>>61564494
HD600, Schiit Uber Stack.

What do you think of the th-x00? I bet you hate them

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>>61564596

These dudes are in Valencia? Holy shit, thats 15 minutes away provided it's not 4-5pm

>>61565121
>You must have a small head
I don't think I do because the HD650's I have grip like shit. I just find my HD800's slip around a lot if I tilt my head forward or back and it's really annoying, I think its the weight more than anything.

>>61565447
Looks slightly dark from the measurements; close to Harman target. Not really my thing but I bet bassheads will like them.

>>61565693
So you haven't actually heard them

>>61565780
The nice thing about measurements is they're not subjective.

Don't worry guys, I'm here to free you from the clutches of lumpy mid rolled of treble hd600 meme phones.

Don't spend $300 on shit-tier weeb phones, recommended by people who haven't listened to music.

>>61561803
hd580

$50 for ear impressions, then $400 for CIEMs. y/n

>>61565875
then recommend a pair of headphones that cost less than $600

Thoughts on m50x? Like honestly no meme bs about them

>>61565875
show your setup plebmaster

>>61565920
your ears change shape over time, you'll probably need new impressions done every 10 years

>>61565931
M50 were only worth buying when they were cheap. M50x are too bass-heavy for their price.

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>>61565927
Hifiman he-560
Fostex-x00
Monoprice m1060 (inb4 memelord links the graph that every headphone in the same class suffers from the same ringing)

>>61565941
This is my setup because I'm not a NEET faggot :^)

>>61565854
Do you use your eyes to listen to music?

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>>61562729
>no (you)s
Let's fix that.

>>61566041
Yes, all orthos have the ortho wall, but I've never seen an ortho with that big of an ortho wall. They should put solar panels on the M1060's wall.

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>>61566041
The HE-560 you mentioned does not suffer from the ringing to nearly the same extent though

>>61566153
It probably has something to do with the fact that hifimans planar magnetic driver only has magnets on one side of the diaphragm.

>>61566144
That was an attempt at a joke but it failed because it was cringy.

>>61566175
Doesn't matter. For any headphone, planar or not, to have that sort of error is unacceptable.

>>61566180
That error is unacceptable, but a +8db spike in midrange at 2.5khz is perfectly acceptable, and a nosedive treble at 8khz is acceptable too?

>>61566041
>HE560
No upper mids.
>X00
Melanin-enriched bass.
>M1060
Ringing: the headphone.
Stick to what you know: speakers and shitposting.

>>61566277
Those errors can at least be fixed with EQ. Besides, you were the one mentioned the HE560, not me.

>>61565459
I'll be honest, friend. I've been to the Schiitr. They have people from their warehouse staffing it. They couldn't describe the differences between the products they're selling. All I had to go on was what I researched online, which was thankfully enough to make an informed decision for what suited my needs.

Don't go in there expecting to have your hand held. It's not anything about elitism. It's just that Schiit are fucking morons whose idea of a retail experience(what could very likely be your entry into high fidelity audio) is staffing it with warehouse grunts who want extra income.

I'm not kidding! I'm not fucking with you. I love Schiit products, but they're seriously fucking up with the Schiitr. :<

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>>61566089
Great taste you've got there :)

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Fellow anons, get pic related for your headamp & dac. Best $42 buxx I've spent lately. Each vertical strip is cleaned, filtered and isolated.

>>61566326
Thanks dude.

I wish someone would buy my HD600s.

>>61566362
I'll buy them. What's wrong with them?

>>61566367
Sounds like mud

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>>61566323
>wanting to interact with sales scum

>>61566367
Nothing is wrong with them. It's just excessive to own 4 headphones.

>>61566310
>Fixed with EQ

So basically everyone should get these and eq them to memeheiser performance?

http://refined-audiometrics.com/wordpress1/2017/01/26/status-sm-cb1-headphones/

>>61566382
>closed
Eww.

>>61566288
>No upper mids
>Memeheisers literally have giant as fuck spike in mids and no highs
>Fostex
>Literally follows Harmon curve better Than memeheisers
>Ringing
>Not a problem in 90% of planar magnetic

Try again sperglord.

>>61566374
That's the issue though. They're nothing more than a physical body between you and the select items they have available for purchase. I would feel better served with a VENDING MACHINE than some lughead who struggles to use a simple POS system like Square.

>>61566382
Soundstage, imaging, and transient response cannot be EQ'd.

>>61566399
>Basically confirming shitheiser fans resort to shitposting when confronted with hard evidence
>Not wanting closed cans so you don't bother people with your weeb music and shit-tier soap opera animes

:^)

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>>61566401
>Memeheisers literally have giant as fuck spike in mids and no highs
Um no sweetie.
>Literally follows melanin-enriched target curve better Than memeheisers
And?
>Not a problem in 90% of planar magnetic
The fuck do you even mean? It's a serious problem with the M1060.

>>61566376
I'll buy em if we can work out a way to do the transaction.. Where do you live, stranger? Do you have a Plebbit account? Give me access to you.

>>61566089
stop responding to the fag, youre only encouraging him

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>>61566457
What if I told you that's exactly what I wanted?

AKG K712 vs HD600

>>61566405
It's a place to go listen to their stuff and buy it. That's all it needs to be.

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>>61566442
>Posting graphs of shitheiser shills
Top kek

>>61566510
>here, have a clearly poorly sealed measurement that I'm pretending is representative of the headphone
Provide evidence of Goldenears "shilling" for Sennheiser.

>>61566407
Except all the things you've listed are dependent on flat FQR...

>>61566510
Funny, even your cherrypicked graph isn't showing a "giant as fuck spike in mids and no highs." It appears as if you were simply shitposting, as per usual.

>>61566446
I live in Texas. No leddit account though, sorry!

I actually think there may be something wrong with the cable, even though it was fine last week. If you're able to fix it, or are willing to get a new one yourself, I'll sell you the headphones for $180. Decent deal IMO.

If you're interested, we can easily do the transaction over email or something.

>>61566466
Satania a cute. A cute!!

>>61566544
what is your email, sir. pls make sure it is attached to a verified paypal before continuing forward. :^)

>>61566529
Soundstage and imaging are largely dependent upon driver size, driver angle and distance of driver from ear. Again, stick to what you know: speakers and shitposting.

>>61566557
Do you actually want them? You could pay $100 extra and get em brand new. Just saying.

Has anyone here tried the HD700? Why is it so cheap and unpopular?

>>61566621
It takes but a look at the FR.

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>>61566621
>Why is it so cheap and unpopular?

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>>61566562
Except without a flat fqr, which the shitheisers don't have, you won't get any sort of proper imaging, regardless of how obnoxiously exaggerated your soundstage is by the driver angle, which can further distort fqr.

>>61566543
>Shitheisers confirming themselves o
For being unable to read fqr graphs.

Why am I not surprised at all.

>>61566529
That's incorrect. In addition to what the other poster said, channel matching has a lot to do with soundstage.

>>61566745
So fqr does matter is what your saying? That's actually exactly what your saying.

>>61566665
That spike on the HD600 there at a little over 3 kHz is supposed to be there. That's a natural ear canal resonance and that's super close to exactly how large that resonance is supposed to be. The HE-400 there doesn't have nearly enough ~3 kHz response.
And yes, >>61566510 objectively does not show a "giant as fuck spike in mids and no highs." Either you are actually the one who is unable to read frequency response graphs or, more likely, you are pretending to be retarded for trolling value.

The tripfag's retarded, troll value or not.

>>61566768
It's a part of it, but not "flat fqr" as you stated. Headphones with wide soundstage may be colored, like the HD800.

>>61566769
So shitheiser is attempting to compensate for the resonance of an individuals ear canal (which can be between 2khz-4khz) by adding an 8db spike at 2.5k? Honestly sounds like just bad engineering to me. Also
>Still pretending the spike isn't there followed by rolled off highs
>Still acting as if the fqr graph says something different

Try again sweetie.

>>61566789
>Implying "muh soundstage" isn't directly related to crossfeed, fqr, and whether or not the headphone is open or not which just greatly exaggerates it.

>>61566788
Shitposting to counter what you think is shitposting but really isn't

:^)

>>61566852
Are you just pulling this nonsense out of your ass? Lets see where you're getting your soundstage misinformation from. Source.

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>>61566852
>So shitheiser is attempting to compensate for the resonance of an individuals ear canal (which can be between 2khz-4khz) by adding an 8db spike at 2.5k?
No, that resonance is created by the ear canal of Headroom's dummy head.
>Still pretending the spike isn't there followed by rolled off highs
The highs are supposed to roll off like that on a raw measurement. The green line on this image is how flat speakers in a good listening room measure at the eardrum of a Graz head simulator. See how it peaks at 3 kHz and then rolls off? A good sounding headphone will exhibit this behavior in raw, uncompensated measurements.
You either completely fail to understand the concept of HRTF or you're trolling.

>>61566867
Soundstage is literally an audiophile meme with no cited articles in acoustics or electrical engineering detailing what it exactly is. What we do know about it is from anecdotal accounts of people listening to stereophonic playback. It is basically the illusion of widened "space" of a recording, where distance between the left and right and the "space" between instruments dictates how good a soundstage is. It is purely a psychoacoustics phenomenon, dictated solely by crossfeed, frequency response (peaks and inaccuracies can cause issues with positioning of sounds and soundstage), and that's pretty much it. Plenty of speakers have tried to expand the soundstage artificially such as the Bose 901 and plenty of dipole designs. The big problem with the 901 was that it was an inaccurate, comb filtering piece of shit that required an outboard EQ box and even then was a god damn mid-bass cannon system on tulip stands. Other dipole designs do this much more successfully by actually being properly designed loudspeakers that happen to have drivers either facing behind them OR no cabinet and allowing the backwave to hit the wall. Either way, soundstage is a completely artificial phenomenon, outside any sort of acoustic accuracy besides a few parameters that can be adjusted at will, and can be inflated artificially by a variety of engineering tricks that basically amount to a gimmick.

This is why there are little/no scientific articles on it compared to stereo imaging in psychoacoustics outside of a small handful of parents no one uses.

>>61567002
>Still being unable to read graphs

:^) I'm sorry you're retarded.

>>61567023
Must be hard to write AES papers about "audiophile memes" huh? http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=12947
It is no coincidence that a pattern exists regarding headphones with large, angled drivers being reported to have large/good soundstages. Again, headphone soundstage is largely a function of driver size, driver angle and distance of driver from ear.

>>61567039
>hurr you're wrong and no I will not explain why
OK, you've clearly played your hand and are clearly trolling. Tripcode filtered.

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>>61567074
I'm sorry good speakers measure like this and your precious memeheisers can't touch them.

>>61563218
I have them don't do it. I wouldn't say they're worth 500 bucks.

>>61567002
How do you measure that for your ears? Is it as simple as doing a frequency sweep, tinkering with the volume/eq until all the fs sound around the same?

>>61567023
Still no source given. If I wanted to I could approve out some autistic textwall too.

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>not filtering the pleb tripfag garbage

>>61567058
>AES
>Not a collection of hacks who promote pseudoscience
>Algorithm for wide soundstage
>Not confirming what I just said

:^)

>>61567110
>Posting weeb images to make you feel better about being shitheisers

>>61567135
>HD600 has flaw: small soundstage
>HURR DURR HDURF DURR SOUNDSTAGE DOESN'T EXIST
Kinda shooting yourself in the foot there son

>>61567103
>Having the reading comprehension of a kindergarten flunkie

No sources because there are NO peer reviewed scientific articles on what soundstage is, as I mentioned numbnuts.

>>61567102
>How do you measure that for your ears?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this but you'd need to use probe microphones at the eardrum to accurately measure the response at your eardrum. http://www.davidgriesinger.com/Binaural_hearing_and_headphones.ppt describes how to build such mics. Etymotic also sells an absurdly expensive probe microphone system: https://www.etymotic.com/auditory-research/microphones/er-7c.html
>Is it as simple as doing a frequency sweep, tinkering with the volume/eq until all the fs sound around the same?
No. Headphones equalized so a sine sweep sounds uniformly loud from 20 Hz to 20,000 kHz will sound nowhere near accurate due to equal loudness contours, as well as because ~3 KHz response is absolutely supposed to sound louder than its surrounding frequencies. Sinegen is useful for removing high frequency peaks and valleys which shouldn't be there, though. https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/how-to-automatically-eq-your-headphones-to-online-measurements-a-step-by-step-guide.854773/ explains how to use Sinegen to remove high frequency peaks and valleys.

>>61567149
>nobody has written a paper on it yet so it doesn't exist!
Damn. Although I guess that statement is accurate about your sex life ;)

>>61567145
>Putting words into my mouth
Literally never said it had a small soundstage or anything of the sort

What I said was that it has lumpy mids and rolled off highs (which it does) and that soundstage is a completely artificial phenomenon dictated by 2-3 parameters in acoustics.

>>61567167
But it does have that flaw. I think you're actually a snapheiser shill false flagging. Fuck off.

>>61567164
>Literally confirming shillheisers resort to shitposting

If soundstage was so important, wouldn't there be papers written on it?

>>61567176
>Literally resorting to shillheiser shitposting by claiming I'm a snapheiser shill?

Dude what in the actual fuck.

It's okay. Mud is warm at least.

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>>61567123
AES is very clearly more qualified than you. Also, if you actually read the abstract you'll notice the following:
>Consequently, the proposed algorithm, which includes the widening of the sound stage and the timbre preservation
>timbre preservation
This means they can change the soundstage without altering the frequency response. This means that soundstage is clearly not only a function of frequency response.
You know what also changes soundstage? Crossfeed. This picture is a measurement of the effect of Astralstorm's excellent crossfeed on frequency response. Flat. Again, this software is altering soundstage without frequency response, demonstrating that soundstage is not solely a function of frequency response.

>>61567190
>implying I'm making the argument that anything is "important"
Putting words in my mouth. Not an argument. You have no sources for your claims so it can be assumed you're bullshitting. Fuck off.

Bookmarking this thread for future demonstration that DiPolar is an idiot and a shitposter.

>>61567211
Go back to posting beyerhiss memes, faggot.

>>61567237
>>61567236
>>61567217
>Literally resulting to shitposting
>>61567216
>Not being able to read

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>>61567254

>>61567265
>Non argument for a non argument

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>>61567277

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>>61567254
>every time he gets conclusively proven wrong he responds "you can't read" without explaining the rationale behind his claim

>>61567288
>Every time he can't read and posts an argument based on not being able to read he posts a smug anime girl face and thinks hes right.

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>>61567288
>>61567301
>>61567288 wins this debate.

>>61567277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXjRMiSf97o

>>61567314
>>61567324
So what you're saying is that as long as I post smug anime faces I will somehow win the argument, no matter how many facts/pieces of evidence, examples of the topic I'm presented with that contradict my poor knowledge of acoustics and inability to interpret the evidence I cite correctly?

No wonder /hpg/ is cancer that needs to be cleansed.

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>>61567349
What facts, evidence and logic? I've asked you for a source multiple times and all you've given are non arguments.

>>61567360
You've basically shown you can't even interpret your own citations correctly, while not being able to read the post I make. It's like arguing with someone who only knows Japanese in english, which partially explains all the weeb posts.

>>61567497
You're incorrectly assuming that you're in a conversation with only one person who can tell you're an idiot.

>>61567497
Nope, you're confusing me with the other anon. I've done nothing but ask for a source to the wall of text you posted earlier. And you STILL haven't given one.

>>61567557
When did I say/assume that?
>Confirming your own samefagging

Thanks.

>>61567586
I don't know, maybe because there is no fucking cited, peer reviewed scientific articles on soundstage so I'm not going to cite a source on it when there aren't any? Again, I'm sorry you can't read.

>>61567610
So you're saying you made a bunch of claims >>61567023 and you have no source? That your claims are unsubstantiated? Gee.

G-G-Guys... I want a pair of headphones that sound better than my HD598s. Please help.. I like neutral sounding headphones, and I want off the Sennheiser train..

>>61567610
https://www.google.com/search?q=soundstage+aes+site%3Aaes.org%2Fe-lib
530 results.

>>61567629
>Soundstage is literally an audiophile meme with no cited articles in acoustics or electrical engineering detailing what it exactly is. What we do know about it is from anecdotal accounts of people listening to stereophonic playback.

I'm saying in the first two god damn sentences that soundstage as a phenomenon has absolutely no peer reviewed, scientific articles detailing what it is.

Meanwhile, your AES meme article basically shows that crossfeed is the main component behind the illusion of soundstage. The algorithm is manipulating crossfeed, and thats it. That's why it shows no influence on frequency response because the algorithm doesn't have anything to fucking do with it. Adjusting one variable does not mean the other variable has no effect on it either.

>>61567703
HD600. Judging products by brand is illogical. Judging products on their individual merits is for patricians.

>>61567703
They are pretty good for the price, don't expect that spending much more will get you much better headphones if that was your intention.

>>61567734
>Google search results somehow equates to peer review and citation.

>get HD800
>look up prices of replacement parts just for kicks
>new earpads are 90 quid
>a new cable is 150

Fucking insane.

>>61567703
Hifiman he-400i
Audio Technica ath-1000x

This thread is a mess.

My current iems are the soundmagic e10c. How are the Etymotic MK5, compared to those?

hey guys, wanted to know if there's anything i can do to improve the sound quality of my setup. I've got a pair of HD 558s plugged into a Focusrite Scarlett. is there anything i need to tweak or change to make music sound better? the bass kinda sounds like shit, but it's sennheiser so i kinda expected that.

Soundstage doesn't need to be defined by peer-reviewed scientific studies. It is easily understood by non-idiots as defining the perceived spatial locations of sounds/instruments.

show me good headphones for gaming,music, memes that i can get RIGHT NOW that isnt 250 and at least 100 dollars

>>61567845
That's imaging though. Soundstage is like, how not-inside-your-head the music sounds. Yes, those are two separate things.

>>61567795
>>a new cable is 150
Balanced meme?
That's quite a bit for a cable. Sure there are cheaper cables.

>>61567805
These are vastly inferior to HD600.
>>61567863
SHP9500S. Yes, they're under $100. No, that doesn't mean they're inferior to >$100 headphones: http://asa.scitation.org/doi/full/10.1121/1.4984044
>No correlation between headphone frequency response and retail price
Also, HD558, HD579.

>>61567877
I think thats for the genuine Sennheiser part.

>>61567703
What's wrong with your HD598?
Do you not have an amp? You should probably get a dac+amp like the fulla2, for your headphones and to be ready for the future.

>>61567876
>Soundstage is like, how not-inside-your-head the music sounds.
This is defined by the perceived spatial locations of sounds/instruments. There is no good reason to draw a distinction between soundstage and imaging.

>>61567845
>Perceived spatial locations of instruments

What you're describing is stereo imaging. Something heavily studied in psychoacoustics and tied in with general sensory input in Neuroscience

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/755428/?reload=true

>>61567703
>>61567836
These are both DiPolarDisorder with his name/trip off.

What should my savings be before I splurge on meme600s?

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>>61567939
i dont even know what you're saying

>>61567917
I've heard headphones with good soundstage but imprecise imaging. I've heard iems with whatever soundstage, but decent imaging. They don't necessarily go hand in hand.

>>61567938
Your link has nothing to do with your claim as it mentions "imaging" not once. There is no good reason to draw a distinction between soundstage and imaging. You can understand both as defining the perceived spatial locations of sounds/instruments.

I don't even like music that much I just suffer from audio quality autism

>>61567917
Imaging is positioning and accuracy, soundstage is the distance between them. There needs to be a distinction because one requires a lot of effort on the engineering level to be done correctly, the other is a gimmick achieved by open back headphones and you can easily have a very poor/washed out image but a wide soundstage.
>>61567886
>Vastly inferior

Whatever makes you sleep better in your tub of mud, shillheiser. Second on the Phillips cans though they're decent for the price.

>>61567950
>babby's first inspect element usage

>>61567958
>3 dimensional sound
>Not imaging

I'm trying here but you've gotta read.

>>61567904
Eh, just looking for an upgrade. I have a Schiit stack. HD600 would be a better listening experience, right?

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>>61567974
>wants me to prove im not samefagging
>wont let me

>>61567939
Literally have nothing to do with either of them. I have no hate towards other Sennheiser cans, just the hd600s and 650s which are a complete ripoff for the price.

>>61567972
>Imaging is positioning and accuracy, soundstage is the distance between them.
The distance between them literally defines their positioning. They're the same fucking thing.

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>>61568002
>>61568006
>>61568007
>>61567963
>>61567958
>>61567954
Can I put a monitor on a subwoofer?

>>61568006
not him, but i have the hd 558s (got them for $60). what's a good alternative to the 600s for less?

>>61568015
Only if you turn the subwoofer upside down.

>>61568015
idk why you replied to me or how to answer your question

>>61568020
HD579, but it is a very small upgrade. HD600 is the only significant upgrade as affordable as the HD600. You shouldn't be asking a shitposter for advice. Read the thread and you'll see he's a shitposter.

>>61567996
HD600 is a better listening experience than anything but the ER-4S.

>>61568034
is it worth buying new cans then if the upgrade is so small?

>>61568043
If you have an HD558 it isn't worth buying anything less expensive than an HD600.

>>61568007
So there are these things called directions... And they go forward, backward, up, down, left, right... Besides the fact that a good stereo image means you can hear these instruments in a 3 dimensional space, and they will have a shape to them that's proper to their waveform propagation. In other words, soundstage is just how far apart these sounds are, and imaging is the proper shape and positioning of the same sounds.

One is not only hard to do, but audibly different from one another and depending on a variety of factors.

The other is based on crossfeed, fqr accuracy and whether your headphones are open or not.

>>61568050
ok thanks. if im only really listening to music that's 160-320kpbs would i notice a difference from the 558 to 600?

>>61568050
also, is $200 for an HD600 a good deal?

>>61568034
>DONT LISTEN TO HIM WAAAAHHHH

don't bother upgrading to a slightly better but still muddy, shit tier headphone for $300
>>61568020
Hifiman he-400i
Audio Technica ath-ad1000x

You won't be disappointed.

>>61568070
SORRY I MEANT TO SAY 650

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>>61568059
We're clearly arguing about the semantics of terms with definitions that are clearly not universally agreed upon. My argument is that it is more elegant to consider both imaging and soundstage as defining the perceived spatial locations of sounds/instruments in terms of distance, direction and shape, and my argument is the correct one because it literally is more elegant.

>>61568061
Yes. The difference between lossless and high bitrate lossy audio is not audible in most circumstances.
>>61568070
>>61568081
Yes, but HD600 is better than HD650.

>>61568082
It's not an elegant explanation, because you're describing two different things within the same medium that are the result of two very different goals from an engineering perspective.

It's like saying a tire is the same thing as a car because there are tires on cars.

>>61567996
Yeah, I mentioned the amp thing just to make sure you were listening to HD598 to their potential. They really like amps, although they do not really care which amp.
Schiit Stack just for a HD598 is a bit of a crime. It's easily more expensive than the headphones.
Yes, HD600 is the natural upgrade to it. I own both and the HD598 now feel muddy to me; HD600 puts them to shame.

>>61568095
how is it better?

>>61567314
>>61568082
>>61568101
>>61568082 wins this debate.

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>>61567992
Gotta read™
>scratched record
>one trick dog

>>61568105
HD600's bass, mids and treble will be perceived as slightly more balanced than HD650's. HD650 will be perceived as slightly bass-heavy and slightly treble-light.

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>watching headphone review
>starts talking about cables
>immediately close video and go do something else

>>61568115
>>61568113
>>61568082
>Samefagging this fucking hard.

everyone seems to have fallen for the dac+amp meme, I can drive my HD600s just fine straight out of the motherboard, with no perceptible noise.

>>61568137
Can your mobo drive them loud enough post-EQ using sources mastered at a very low level? I doubt it. Also, if you don't know the output impedance of your mobo you don't know if they're bloating the HD600's bass or not.

>>61568137
>implying all motherboards are the same

>>61568156
yes they can be played much louder than I can comfortably listen to them

>>61568137 >>61568172
heh, this guy really needs a dac+amp experience. It'll blow his mind.

>>61568156
>>>61568137 (You)
>Also, if you don't know the output impedance of your mobo you don't know if they're bloating the HD600's bass or not.

I don't need to know the output impedance because I know it sounds exactly the same as when I use a dedicated amp

>>61568137
I'd say 5+ years ago a outboard dac/amp would be necessary, but it seems like most Mobo manufacturers have started doing EMI shielding/300+ ohm headphone amps/high end caps in audio sections for the better motherboards in response to complaints.

>>61568157
>>61568182
>also just run my memeheisers off my mobo
>no hissing or anything
>get way, way louder than I need them to get
>loud enough to use as speakers
>sounds good to me

Who's getting meme'd here? I don't want to buy an amp if it wont do anything other than look pretty on my desk.

>>61568200
>in response to complaints.
This tripfag is seriously this delusional.

It's wise to recommend /g/entlemen to try their new headphones out of their mobo before purchasing a DAC/amp; a DAC/amp will be necessary for some and not for others.

>>61568204
then dont get one. what im saying is no one "fell for the amp+dac meme." they just dont have good onboard soundcards

>>61568222
I find it hard to believe my Bloomfield-era motherboard with realtek onboard is some kind of golden unicorn when it comes to audio

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I am going to cut a two party balloons at the top and bottom ends and attempt to fit them over the stock pads on my AD1000X in an effort to raise the bass.

Wish me luck.

>>61568256
post pics and godspeed

>>61568208
>Be convinced 5+ years ago on /g/ to buy mudheiser lumpmid600s 300 ohms
>Plug them into back of motherboard
>Sounds like total ass/clips/distorts/barely usable volume/EMI
>Complain to company about shitty audio quality before getting a dac/amp
>Combine this with the influx of shitty headsets that for some reason have high impedences.
>"Hmm guise let's ugh... Make a slightly better headphone amp for our cans/EMI shielding for the dac to appeal to our clientiele"
>Motherboards start popping up with major audio section improvements
>About 5 years ago.
>They obviously did this for absolutely no reason and not to cater to the gaymen/audiophile crowd

Yeah I'm so fucking delusional to notice this trend.

Are there any places in Melbourne where I can audition headphones?
I want to try a HD600 and some AKGs

>>61568301
some audio places are a bit assholish, because almost everyone uses their gear then runs off to buy them online

>>61568291
Fucking delusional.

>>61568256
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1301317-REG/dekoni_audio_epz_dt78990_sk_elite_sheepskin_replacement_earpads.html These should fit the AD500x/700x/900x/1000x, as https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/audio-technica-ad700-bass-monster-in-disguise.588703/#post-8027433 successfully fit DT770 gel pads on an AD700. These sheepskin pads should improve the bass of your AD1000X without being sweaty like pleather (or fucking balloons).

>>61568410
How else is he going to blow up the bass without balloons?

>>61568256
https://www.amazon.com/iParaAiluRy-Replacement-Cushions-Technica-headphones/dp/B011KUX8LQ
https://www.amazon.com/Leather-Cushions-Replacement-Audio-Technica-Headphones/dp/B01G3E5IQ2
https://www.amazon.com/100MM-Replacement-Cushion-Beyerdynamic-Headphones/dp/B01C3TSH4G these are much cheaper options which should fit AD1000X and improve their bass, but they'll be sweaty and non-durable since they're pleather.
If you want to look further, any earpads which fit A500X, A700X, A900X, A1000X, DT770, DT880 or DT990 should fit the AD1000X, and any earpads that are leather or pleather should improve the bass response. Good luck.

>>61565184
Why do you always post that? Are you trying to get acknowledgement or something?

>>61566407
You mean the stuff HD600 fails att?

>>61568518
Prove this statement.

>>61568410
>People changing pads and doing simple measurements to better understand the results
That's actually very interesting and the results are not bad for the price of the headphones, makes me wonder what more can be done by the consumer att analog level.
Meanwhile /hpg/ is having another "veilheiser vs beyerape" shitposting festival, figures...

Alright hp/g/, my current in-ear headphones are starting to wear off, so I'll be in need of new ones soon.

>budget
up to 100$, I guess? I don't have any hard limit, but I doubt that anything in-ear that costs over 100 isn't just a meme. Is it?
>source
I am mostly using my phone, but I also use Fiio K1 when on my laptop. I also consider getting myself a dedicated media player, but I already have most of my pockets stuffed. Btw, are there smartphones that are noticeably better than average when it comes to music playback? I'm looking forward to replace my 2015 Moto X Play since the screen broke.
>comfort level
I like my headphones comfy, but is it really a thing when talking about in-ear headphones? I don't remember having any in-ear ones that weren't comfortable.
>sound signature
and
>past headphones
my last 2 pairs were SoundMagic E10 and E50. While I was positively surprised that 25$ ones (E10) were this good (in comparison to whatever I had in past), E50 didn't feel like an upgrade. Both of them, however, sound really bad when compared to my HD598's which I use at home (with Asus Xonar DX soundcard, or previously mentioned K1). Obviously, the quality is way worse, but by saying "bad" I rather have the sound curve in my mind. They sound just different, and I don't particularly like it. One thing I liked about both E10 and E50 was build quality. They were really solid, E50's are with me for about 2 or 3 years now. The non-straight metal-covered jack probably helped a lot, as far as I remember most of my previous headphones died relatively quickly.

>>61568256
I thought I was only one on this holy crusade. Went with tape on the perimeter of the pads.

...Ended up ordering sheep skin pads yesterday morning.

>>61568993
Not the same Anon, but what pads did you got? Being wanting new pads for my AD900X for a while now.

>>61562139
How does he act when he likes headphones? (I presume he doesn't like those ones, I'm not sure though)

>>61568993
Bartered on some dekoni th900 pads. Not entirely sure if they'l fit, but i have other phones that could use them.

I also have:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thick-Velour-Ear-Pads-Cushion-For-ATH-AD-1000-X-2000-X-900-X-700-X-Headphones-/251699464310?var=&hash=item3a9a750876:m:mHWP6mC6j-s1zoC6CpVjGwA
Much comfier than stock, but lose little bit of highs i like.

>>61566491
k712 by a country mile, it actually can reproduce sub bass.

>>61569210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Es9S9tXTY

>>61564067
And this is why the HD650 is the best headphone

>>61567087
why do they have horn flare up

>>61565875
Sorry beyercucknamics grandpa, but I don't want to suffer a hearing loss because of me rapey treble.

How would one describe the grado sound signature?
I want to look into something similar but without the significant distortion all grado 'phones seem to have.

>>61568301
Addicted to Audio should have some.

>>61566041
>memetubes
Kek, also what kind of speakers are those?

What are the best replacement earpads for a pair of Sony MDR-V6 headphones?

>>61570194
Bright

>>61570372
Tube Amp isn't even hooked up for this setup, it was a home brew project for college. I'm using a crown x1000.2 (class D solid state).

Speakers are acarian systems Alon IVs

>>61570430
Auray Sheep Skin pads, They seal and isolate better, are more comfortable and much more durable.

Any thoughts on oriolus earphones?

Hey /hpg/, was hoping if I could get some suggestions for a new pair of headphones? I've had a pair of Sony MDR-XB950s for about a year and a half but the ear swivels always seemed to swivel too far and now the right one is stsrting to crack and fall apart. I'm currently trying to get by with superglue and taping it up until next week when I start work and get some - only working 20 hours a week so emphasis on "some" - money coming in.
Ideally I'm looking for something £100 and under, I don't really have the budget to go above that by too much but I'd be flexible if the headphones are worth it.
I'm only really going to be using these with my LG G4 and be keeping the Sonys at home to use with my TV or laptop. If possible I wouldn't mind something that has bluetooth just so that when I'm using these in the gym I'm not having to worry about the cable like I did with the other ones. I'd also prefer them to be closed as well. I'm not too bothered about the comfort level, just that they're not something that are too tight on my head or ears, I have kind of a big head and pronounced ears.
I have no idea about sound signature, but I tend to pick headphones that boost bass.

>>61571525
Status audio cb-1
Sony mdr-v6

>>61571525
Also, I don't really mind about the look of them and I've actually alwways prefered ones that have more of a "studio" look to them. But again, that's not too important.

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>lets have the clips easily snap off to prevent permanently breaking
>on $20 headphones
>oops headphones got nudged, now an unreplaceable clips is gone and forced to buy all new headphones

>>61571927
>snapping the metal clips
How.
Either way you can warranty replace them for 9 bucks.

>>61571953
how? they come off with the slightest force. have you ever used them

>metal
theyre plastic

>>61571525
Sennheiser HD380 Pro

>>61571966
I have to pull super hard for my pair. Warranty that shit already dude.

And no they have a metal wire in them.

>>61571525
MDR 7506 + Auray Sheep Skin for maximun comfort and isolation.

>Budget
£100, can be slightly flexible
>Location
UK
>Source
USB or headphone jack
>Type of headphone
full size
>Open or closed
dont mind
>Comfort level
has to be very comfortable. will be wearing them 12 hours+. I also have quite a large head and have snapped headphones just by putting them on
>Sound signature
Im not much of an audiophile, just want something that sounds good with music and vidya
>Past headphones
>PX21's
Remember them being quite comfortable, very twisty cable and broke after a year. I was fine with the sound quality at the time as they where my first headphones.

I had a few trittons but i cant remember the name of them. First one was comfortable and sounded great but snapped as it was a tight fit on my head. I got a replacement but it was the "upgraded" version which was inferior in every way. Right now im using some cheapo corsair ones my friend gave to me.

are ath m40x worth? or are there any better ones

>>61572740
HD579, HD598se/sr, HD558, SHP9500.

>>61572740
see >>61572125.

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>>61566089
Here you go

What's the official verdict on the ATH-M40x? Everyone talks about its big brother but not this one

>>61572993
No waifu... that's sad.
There's no rule it needs to be from anime. Manga, a videogame, an LN... anything would work really.

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>>61572993
>not having a waifu

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>>61572993
>Haven't watched anime in five years
What's the problem though, i haven't either, mine is older than me.

>>61566491
HD600, obviously. K712 bass is melanin-enriched.

>>61570194
V-shaped. Grado's signature "features" are a midbass hump and a big bump in the low treble frequency response at 2 kHz.

>>61573514
>owning five bad headphones

>>61573280
Better than M50x.

>>61571966
I have used them and I don't feel that what you are describing is a problem.

>>61574212 new thread

>>61574187
see if i care.

Headphone cup snapped off. It's plastic, any suggestions to fix it short of sending it back to the manufacturer?

>>61574465
hot glue

>>61569241
Please report back on that. I've been thinking about ordering those pads for the same cans.