/hpg/ - Headphone General

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Friendly reminder that the hd600s are lumpy mids, rolled of treble overpriced meme cans designed in the 90s typically recommended by weebs who don't actually listen to music, misinterpret evidence to fit their narrative of it being neutral, and refuse to make proper suggestions for good price/performance cans.

Hifiman he-400i and ath-ad1000x are both much better open back cans.

>>61574266
>Sennheiser - can't stump the mid lump

>>61574266
Ad1000x is nobass
400i is chink build quality

>>61574329
>No bass and shitty build quality
>Not Sennheiser

Headphone cup snapped off. It's plastic, any suggestions to fix it short of sending it back to the manufacturer? Memes

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

>>61574329
>Chink quality
>Implying shitheiser doesn't ship drivers for the headphone to China for final construction
>Implying the hd600s aren't famous for the snaptastic headband.

>>61574513
HD580

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>Neutral

Friendly reminder that DiPolarDisorder is a shitposter who is unqualified to speak about headphones because he doesn't even understand the concept of HRTF and replies "you can't read" to anyone who conclusively proves him wrong: https://rbt.asia/g/thread/61561761/#61567039

>>61574513
Gas station $5 earbuds EQ'd to audeze lcd-2 levels of performance.

>>61574266
>Hifiman he-400i and ath-ad1000x

>frequency response with more peaks and dips than the Himalaya
>better than HD600s

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>>61574548
Correct. Neutral.

Hi.
Will i hear a difference to my onbaord sound (ASROCK z270 extreme 4) if i buy a Amplifier or a DAC?
I have the Phillips Fidelio X2 headphones.

I read that for example a FiiO E10K makes your headphones only louder but will not give you a better sound.
Is this true?

What i have to buy to have a better sound than the onboard sound?

I am not really disstatisfied with the onboard sound but if it could be better i woudn't say no.

>>61574551
Friendly reminder that shillheiser faggots literally misinterpret their own citations, can't read fqr graphs, and will say anything that fits their mud lumpy 600s neutrality narrative.

Also friendly reminder that I pissed off a shillheiser faggot so bad that he feels the need to post this, and quite frankly I'm flattered.

Also friendly reminder that you still can't read or refuse to read.

>>61574551
>and replies "you can't read" to anyone who conclusively proves him wrong
That last thread was hilarious. He did this after being BTFO like three times.
>>61574329
400i's bigger problems are no upper mids and peaky treble.

>>61574582
>That shit tier driver matching in a $300 headphone

>>61574609
>be called a shitposter
>respond with "shillheiser" shitposting
Pottery.

>>61574551
>hurr X is unqualified according to my own interpretations
>Says Anon number 32159875635

>>61574551
>thinks that ear canal resonance at 3 kHz is a "treble spike"
>thinks that soundstage is solely a function of crossfeed and frequency response and not driver size and angle
Wow this tripfag is a fucking idiot.

/hpg/,

Should I sell my full-size headphones and buy a pair of in-ears?

>>61574761
Depends if you're using stuff on the go often, if that's the case then yes. I've tried using full sized cans in public and it's annoying to carry them around. Besides being bulky the isolation isn't ideal either. I have 2 sets of IEMs for the road, etymotic er4xr and heir audio 4ais. They're both great, sensitive enough to be driven by my Google pixel, and as long as you get a good seal they'll offer much better isolation.

>>61574635
Why do you even bother? I mean, look at this:
>>61574548
>>61574582
These faggots will always use just what supports their opinions and ignore everything else, hell, i bet most of them haven't even listened to the headphones they like talking about.

>buy DAC
>it's Optical only
>okay
>buy an Optical cable
>plug Optical cable into Motherboard
>there is red light coming out of the other end
>plug it into DAC
>turn DAC on
>no sound
>go into sound panel
>set "Optical Out" to default device
>restart computer
>no sound
Why the fuck can nothing ever work? I swear to god, NOTHING fucking works. It's a miracle that my 3.5 jack works, it truly fucking is.

>>61574892
Are you the guy who bought the smsl dac? I'm 90% sure those require you to download driver sets from their website.

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Is this tripfag a false flag? I used to shit on HD600 shills cause they were so obnoxious but this tripfag is making me reconsider.

>>61574925
There are no drivers for this fucking SMSL DAC
I am never going to buy another fucking product with an optical port again in my life, I don't fucking care if it has USB/Coax/3.5 if it has an Optical port I am going to fucking boycott it until this garbage non-working obsolete fucking tech DIES.

>>61574948
Are you even surprised? Obnoxious generates obnoxious, i say let them argue to death.

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>>61574892
>yfw

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>People will pay a hundred more for shitty driver matching with less balanced FR AND DEFEND IT

>>61574980
What model is it? Are there two optical options in volume mixer? Genuinely trying to help out here.

>>61574948
>>61575000
>Samefagging and false flagging at the same time

:^)

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>>61574980
Is this you?

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>>61575127
The SMSL DAC works. It is not a problem with the DAC, I plugged it into my TV's Coax and lo and behold, sound.
So it's an issue with my garbage ASUS mobo (last time I ever buy an ASUS product) not working properly. The light is running through the cable and I've got the Optical Out set to default with a youtube video playing for sound in the background, I am hearing absolutely fucking nothing.

>i want only good sound
>i have to read houndreds of guides to choose good headphones and a dac
>i still don't know what i should get
Fuck you i want only good sound on my pc. Why is this shit so complicated?

Yeah, the optical port on my PC is completely utterly physically fucked, don't even know why it's lit up. It just physically does not work, I put sound through HDMI to my monitor then out through the monitor's coax. I have sound now, but there is an unlistenable amount of noise on the line so this isn't a solution.
Unbelievable, I am going to vent some serious rage on some stupid ASUS customer support rep in a few minutes.

>>61575208
It's not unless you are autistic enough to care about frequencies you will not hear.

>>61575208
Because everyone thinks a different sound is a good sound, you need to find the one that suits your needs.
You wouldn't go to a PC parts store and say "I only want a good PC" neither.

>>61575174
You don't put Tabasco sauce in your rigs? WTF is wrong with you

>>61574892
You fucked yourself over, congrats.
>>61574590
You won't need a DAC if you don't hear audible noise/static. You can try it with a USB Sabre DAC from HifimeDIY since those are pretty cheap.
>a FiiO E10K makes your headphones only louder but will not give you a better sound
An amplifier would do that unless your headphones weren't being powered properly or your onboard's noisy.
>What do I have to buy to have a better sound than onboard?
X2's are pretty sensitive so probably just a DAC.

If anyone needs cheap closed headphones then get the Akai Project 50x

Its price keeps dropping and is way worth the 20 bucks it's currently going for.

>>61575057
Top measurement clearly shows one channel sealing better than the other. Tyll's measurements exhibit sealing problems on a regular basis.

Before I give up completely, will one of these 3.5mm to Toslink adapters work from a PC 3.5mm jack to an Optical Input?

>>61575744
Just send the piece of shit back. If you want USB, the Fulla2's an option.

>>61575825
The Fulla 2 is ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FUCKING DOLLARS
TWICE the fucking price.

>>61575866
>$160
It's $100 USD. The fuck are you, a leaf?

>>61575472
Thank you!

So i should test it with a cheap DAC first?
Wouldn't it be better to buy a more expensive one in the first place?

for example a
>M-Audio Transit Pro 32-Bit/384 KHz
or a
>JDS Labs Objective2+ODAC RevB

Or is this exaggerated?

>>61575925
I am sick of you obese fucking Americans having the entire world pander to you. If you live literally anywhere other than America you cannot buy 90% of anything for a reasonable price despite the fact it's all fucking made in China anyways.

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should i get the HD650s or these for metalcore/post-fagcore?

currently have Shure SE215 and HD518

>>61575967
funnily enough the US gets cucked on HD650s, the most recommended headphone on /g/ or basically anywhere. glad to be UK fag

>>61576089
HD600 is more recommended than HD650 on /g/ and on the internet. https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/the-ultimate-hd600-vs-hd650-poll-closed-hd600-wins.698372/

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>>61575967
Get fucked faggot. You will never experience true freedom.

>>61576072
You should get the HD600.

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>>61575155

>>61575963
>Transit Pro
That's retarded expensive for just a DAC.
>O2+ODAC
You can build one since the design is open source and be done for quite a bit cheaper. Most would go Schiit Stack (Magni2+Modi2), Fulla 2 (Compact baby version of a Schiit Stack that uses USB Power from the PC) for their "Audiophile Starter Pack"
>>61575967
Build an O2 or DAC X6, Silly Goose.
>>61576089
You're not quite wrong. 600/650's price is usually up the ass due to popularity. We're even more cucked on K712.
>>61576072
>SE215 and HD581
Both would be anemic to you honestly. 650's not much different than than the 600 which can be considered 'no bass' to some and your previous headphones. X2's lack sub bass extension. You might be better off with K712/K7XX. They're not near as bassy as your SE215 or 518 but they're clearer than X2 and have a pretty wide soundstage.

>>61576195
>just buy an O2
Yeah, because I have $5000 fucking dollars to spend
Jesus fucking christ I just wanted a budget option.
I'll just buy a Fiio, they're the one company that hasn't fucked me over yet. Obviously I can't fucking trust anyone else.

>>61576195
I refuse to buy AKG since Harman fucked up the company

>>61576195
>which can be considered 'no bass' to some
Some people have too much melanin.

>>61574212
I want to lick her feet...

>>61576195
>Most would go Schiit Stack (Magni2+Modi2), Fulla 2
Thank you very much.
Is the shiit stuff better than the O2+odac stuff?
I live in germany and i can't find a shiit reseller here in europe so i have to import the things and have to pay a lot of taxes :/

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Hello, I'm looking for a new pair of headphones in the 50-60$ price range mainly for gaming and movies. I used my previous pair with my computer, I can't remember what they were called but they were made by Creative in the 30 or 40$ range, think they were part of a e-sport line up.
I found pic related. Are they any good?

>>61576221
>I can't read the word 'Build'. It's not part of my vocabulary
I also suggested the DAC X6.
>I can't trust anyone else
Check in with /r/headphones, they'll tell you about how good M50X's and 598C's are coming from cheap earbuds.
>>61576329
>Germany
Schiit stuff is more affordable with similar power output in the US than buying a prebuilt O2+ODAC. It can also be built since all the parts are 'Off the self' at a cheaper cost. The DAC X6 is also a recommended Amp/DAC Combo though should be avoided with low impedence headphones below 80 Ohms.

>>61576418
Gaming headsets represent exceptionally poor value for money. Allow me to demonstrate:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/electronic-2015-brand-3-5mm-Original-Genuine-TAKSTAR-HI2050-Hi-Fi-Stereo-Headphones-Music-Headset-studio/526268_32279127183.html $41 headphones
https://www.amazon.com/HyperX-Cloud-Gaming-Headset-PS4/dp/B00SAYCVTQ The same headphones with shittier earpads and a shitty mic for $97
Get a SHP9500S and a V-Moda BoomPro. This combination represents good sounding headphones and a quality microphone; excellent price to performance ratio.

>>61576452
>should be avoided with low impedence headphones below 80
ah crap i think the fidelio x2 have only 32 ohms :/
But thank you very much!! I will research how much taxes i would have to pay if i import the shiit things.
Maybe it's still cheaper than the O2+DAC even with taxes and shipping.

>>61576452
>build a DAC
Yeah, because I'm an electrical engineer with $200 worth of tools.

>>61576542
DAC X6 is prebuilt. It's a Monoprice Desktop Amp in a chink box. Cheap soldering kit does the job fine.
>>61576534
You could just buy the O2 with a cheap USB DAC like the ones off HifimeDIY. They won't sound better than a Modi2 or ODAC but they won't sound worse either.

So this piece of shit doesn't have a good DAC, does it?
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=11567

>>61576666
It's fine. The only big flaw with it is the output impedence of 10 Ohms.

I'm looking to replace my portapros and it seems like I should either get the Koss KSC75 or the sportapros. I'm leaning towards the KSC75s since they seem easier to carry around but I'm worried they wont stay on my ears as well. Anyone have experience with the two?

So I need to buy a $300 DAC or there's no point even buying a DAC, right?

>>61576737
KCS75 is leaner in bass with more treble and the SportaPro clamps harder than Portas making them bassier and muddier than PortaPros already somewhat are.

>>61576812
Did you ever have issues with the KSC75s falling off or being uncomfortable after a while? I've had a few pairs in that style that were unwearable after an hour or so.

>>61575206
you have two optical out choices. that is not right. why not go into device manager, delete the devices and rescan. and possibly update your realtek driver. optical is good cuz electrical isolation so don't give up.

>>61576971
Too late, already processed a return.

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how bad is my amp /g/?

>>61576608
If i buy a dac and a ampf. seperatly how do i connect the things?

PC -> AMPF -> DAC -> Headphones?

And thanks for the tip. If it doesn't sound worse than i buy this combination

>>61576737
The clips work fine. If you find them too loose you can bend them to make it tighter.

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I'm looking for some in ear wireless headphones with out a pairing cord.

Chinkshit, or proper.

What's the best solution for powering both speakers and headphones from the same device? I'm using an AV Receiver right now, it's completely functional except in the odd application having a "ghost" monitor because of the additional HDMI output coming from my card in addition to my main one causes problems. Is there a USB Headphone amp that powers speakers too?

>>61577188
>USB Headphone amp that powers speakers too
* speaker amp that powers headphones too

>>61576144
>He want bass
>HD 600

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I have $200-$300 to spend on headphones. I travel a lot and am looking for something that is noise canceling/ reducing. I do not know much about headphones, but I feel like BOSE is a normie meme. Do you friendly guys know any good noise canceling headphones???

Also I am in the U.S. if that helps. I mainly listen to podcasts and 60s-70s rock.

I unironically find the DT 880 to be enjoyable to listen to.

Come at me /hpg/

>>61577282
Headphones are subjective. If you like your headphones, then you don't need shills telling you otherwise.

>>61576072
Get the X2 if you don't want to ever worry about getting an amp.

>>61577238
If the speakers are passive, emotiva has a really nice integrated amp with headphone amp, dac, and 50wpc to stereo speakers for $399.

>>61577291
woah...a reasonable reply to someone mentioning Beyerdynamics

>>61576666
Quite decent. The DAC is made by Texas Instruments.

>>61577282
Same here, never had a problem with them nor the HD600 to be honest, all this hate is just silly.

Need a cheap but decent pair of iems, was gonna go with either xiomi hybrid or KZ zts3 or KZ zts5, I'm leaning towards the zts3 bc they're only $8 but I'm worried that they'll be uncomfortable bc of the bulky size

>>61577357
What would /hpg/ do without shitposting? Recommend headphones?

>>61577363
i wouldn't be worried over $8. the cable for my shures cost more than that

Newfag here, lookin for some decent in-ears. Have the sennheiser momentum but realised to late that they are very poorly build. I´ve got a budget of about 100 Bucks and I am currently thinking about buying the bose soundsport if the sennheiser ones start to fail. If you know better ones, let me know. Cheers.

>>61577363
The shell on them is fairly light, it looks heavy but it isn't.

>>61577438
shure se215

>>61577438
Shure se215. Darker sounding but they have a detachable cable.

>>61576666
>Monoprice
It'll break.

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>>61577389
>What would /hpg/ do without shitposting? Recommend headphones?
That would be madness i tell ya, MADNESS!
On a serious note though, /hpg/ could use some oc for a change, this recycled shitposting is getting boring.

>>61577279
Etymotic ER-4SR
They do not have active noise cancelling but measurements show they actually block 5-15 more dB than Bose QC35.

>>61577471
I'll break.

>>61577279
Noise cancelling itself is a normie meme. It works okay for droning repetitive noises like a plane's engines, but that spoiled little shit in the seat behind you that won't shut the fuck up? It's not going to do much. You're better off with something sound isolating. I'm personally a fan of the Audio Technica ATH-M50x in that regard. I've used my original M50 for years while travelling. It's also under your budget, it looks like it's going for about $150 on Amazon right now.

>>61577489
>ear dildos

What do you think about the Aune T1 SE MK3?

>>61577463
Looking good, but the detachable cable, while a good idea on its own mabye annoying if it detaches itself while I´m running. Don´t know if they do that (probably wont) but it would be quite annoying when I go for a run.

Need some headphones for gayman and decent mic quality but I wont fall the "7.3 surround gaymen epic headphone"

Anything in the $50 range on amazon uk that i can pair with the moda boompro?

>>61577493
Forgot to mention something you should probably know, but the M50 is known for clamping fairly tight around your head. It can get somewhat uncomfortable after long periods. I don't personally notice it unless I've been wearing them for 6+ hours, but it's a common enough complaint that you might want to consider it.

Just got my audio technica m50x today. I don't give a shit what other people say they sound perfectly fine ( listen to bassy music anyway) and the audio is just amazeballs.

>>61577596
>I listen to bass-heavy music
>let's make it even more bass-heavy by using headphones with too much bass
This "logic" always astounds me.

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>>61577614
>expecting niggers to have high IQ

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>>61577279
DT770i, the most comfortable and isolating option you will find for the price.

>>61577614
>>61577641
>Expecting /hpg/ to know anything about mixing bass heavy songs

First salary will come in 6 days

Beyerdynamic T1

Yes or No?

Just ordered some QC35s. Rate my norm

best usb-c memephones?

or best adapter to use with actual headphones then

>>61576930
Nope, lighter than a feather and the clips are metal so you can bend them. I've got PortaPro/KCS35 drivers with KCS75 Clips.
>>61577077
DAC to PC, AMP to DAC, Headphones to AMP.
>>61577145
KZ ZS5 with KZ Bluetooth cord.
>>61577279
ER4SR/XR
380 Pro
HD 25
>>61577363
ZS5 is an improvement over ZS3 though needs new tips as the stock ones are pretty hard compared to the other KZ's.
>>61577705
No.

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>>61577674

>>61574266
Thanks for attempting to free /hpg/ from the cult worship of the hd600, and I say that as an long-term owner of them. They are not end-game by any stretch.

>>61574329
hd600s are nobass

>>61577738
>DAC to PC, AMP to DAC, Headphones to AMP.
Thank you

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>Quit browsing /hpg/ threads because of all the shitposting
>Decide to check back in
>The exact same never ending arguments still going on.

>>61577641
>average IQ is 107 in the smartest country

why the fuck is everyone so dumb

>>61577797
>Inb4 le cherry picked frequency response graph maymay
Just listen to them, you bad goy

>>61575963
can you hear audible noise? can you play stuff louder than you can comfortably listen to?

if you answered no to q1 and yes to q2, you do not need a dac+amp

>>61577563
The physical anchor is fairly durable, you have to intentionally detach it. Also, there's a malleable hook on each that wraps around your ear.

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Where's the other idolfag? Post setups guys.

>>61577823
This, everyone should just accept the focal elear as the best headphone under $3999.

>>61577874
But i can't really belive that the onboard sound is on the same level of a dac+amp

>>61577649
>not the beyer custom pro
>dt 770 with detachable cable

>>61577323
just wait, in a few years we'll be able to have an interesting discussion

>>61577878
Stop posting my gf

>>61577471
I've had Koss, Sennheisers, Sony and JVCs break so that's nothing remarkable

>>61577732
I've listened to them and don't mind them at all

I recently bought some Hifiman HE-400S's, and am really enjoying them even driving them straight from my PC. However, my onboard audio is noticeably flawed with interference, and now that I've got these headphones I feel it might be worthwhile purchasing a cheap DAC/AMP combo to provide me a cleaner audio source.

I was considering the FiiO E10K (£60), the SMSL M3 (£69) and the Schiit Fulla 2 (£119), just wondering which of these (or others) would be a good fit.

Considering the headphones are 22 Ohm, the SMSL M3 have an output impedance of 10 Ohms which apparently leads to buzzing and very loud volume levels (even with it turned very low) with low impedance headphones like mine. I've also read that the E10K alters the warmth and bass of the audio, which also doesn't sound ideal.

Should I just go for the Fulla 2 as a safer bet? I wasn't looking to spend too much but it seems like there aren't many alternatives on a small budget.

>>61578142
What brands haven't broken on you?

>>61577845
I've owned a pair for 17 years, they are nobass

>>61578174
fulla 2 is endgame unless if you need more amp power

>>61578110
She's not your gf, she's my wife.

>>61578188
Well JVC HAMR77X haven't broken on me, the hinges in the SZ2000s did

>>61578174
I would take reviews that say solid-state amps colour the sound with a huge pinch of salt. I have a Fiio E12 and would probably buy them again.

>>61578041
>consumer option
>bass heavy over balanced
ok.

>>61578142
What Sony? not the MDR V6 i presume.

>>61578248
what if i need more amp power?

>>61578326
then you use the preout from the fulla 2 and connect it up to an amp of your choice (e.g. magni 2 uber)

>>61578317
can't remember desu, they were cheap/flimsy though, it was many years ago, and certainly not a model on /hpg/s radar

>>61578326
then you're probably already deaf

>>61578294
>exact same build quality as other dt beyers
>has a bass slider so you can go from hd 600 (no bass) to nigger bass

>>61578174
Suggest against the fulla 2. Get a cheap dac and the magni 2. Fulla 2 doesn't quite have enough headroom for my 400i.

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>>61574212
Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

>>61578388
>Get a cheap dac
Ignore this, get a multibit DAC. It makes a world of difference.

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>>61578427

>>61574590
>will I hear difference vs board
Only if your onboard is fucked.
>how do I know
By getting a dac+amp like the schiit fulla 2 and comparing against it. Just do not spend any more money than that on your first such device.

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Are kz zs5 cables interchangable with zsts in any way?

Can not I just force the two pins in by force?

I don't want to buy a separate Bluetooth and a wired cable for zsts

Also just a friendly note to take care of your ears and health in general because I woke up one day with a sudden tinnitus and hearing loss in one ear and I'm still investigating cause with my doctor, most probably it is a TMJ disorder.
Tinnitus and hearing loss fucking sucks. I literally can not go to sleep now unless I am dead tired because I can not stand constant hissing.

>>61578435
>can't refute my argument
>posts an anime image

>>61578460
Thank you. But why do people buy these things then?

>>61575967
>despite the fact it's all fucking made in China anyways.
Yet the Fulla 2 you were talking about is made in the US.

>>61578525
the same reason people bolt huge wings onto their Honda Civics, human nature/FOMO etc

>>61578525
Mostly because sources do tend to suck, and these dac+amp things make the source irrelevant.
Cue my HD598, they:
- Sound bad (noise floor+weaker treble) on onboard, which has an amp built in.
- Sound bad (noise floor+weaker bass) on another onboard, which has no amp built in.
- Sound different with each, all bad, on laptops A,B and C
- Sound good and exactly the same across schiit stack, fulla2, a friend's fiio K5 and some gamershit amp another friend has.
Knowing this, I can't help but suggest people get a cheap dac+amp to detach themselves from the assortment of bad implementations in different sources. Just don't spend too much on it; Remember the headphones do weight way more on the end result than the dac+amp does.

>>61578248
Is the DAC pretty much endgame? That's probably the component I am more concerned about getting something decent. From what I've read I see it's the same chip as the Modi 2 (although a different implementation).

>>61578388
That's actually quite surprising, I know the HE-400i's are harder to drive than the 400s's but I'd have thought the Fulla 2 would have no problem, as at least theoretically they're still moderately efficient.

Having said that, I don't think power will be a problem for the 400s's, so I guess what I mostly need is a decent cheap DAC (and therefore capable amp to plug into it).

>>61578643
>Is the DAC pretty much endgame?

Yes. More expensive DACs are snakeoil memes

>>61578643
>fulla2 vs modi2
Same DAC chip and no, you won't hear a difference between it and the modi2.
The take home: DACs only do matter when they've fucked them up.

>>61578640
>>61578624
k thanks i just found out that there is a a shiit dealer in europe. I think i will go with the Fulla 2

>>61578190
I know anon, I have too. I was mentioning graphs such as >>61574582

>>61578690
There's more than one.
Look into: http://schiit.com/faq/international

>>61578674
>>61578679
Alright, we'll I'm pretty much sold. Thanks.

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>>61578358
>Suggesting this unbalanced crap.

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>>61578469
what argument?

>>61578788
>beyer
You sure the plot isn't for beats?
The niggerbass is obvious in this one.

>>61578803
>niggerbass
Do note that this is the "linear bass position"
I'm actually more impressed by how it gets wonky and low from mids to treble, but yeah, it's the Custom Pro One.

>>61578872
Considering the treble is below the midrange, I'd say it's pretty good for a beyer.

>>61578900
It's unbalanced, which can sound boomy depending on the song, this only shows that people suggesting it are more used to veiled signatures than anything else.

>ask fifty times over multiple threads about product
>get no responses
>buy product
>it's shit
You guys are literally worthless.
Might as well delete this thread because it's not like anyone uses it.

>>61578788
>no treble

Seems like the perfect model for Sennshills

>>61578974
>it's not like anyone uses it
>Gets remade twice a day after hundreds of posts

What product are you talking about by the way?

>>61578974
What did you expect from a general fully dedicated to Sennheiser shilling and Beyer shitposting? Go do your research elsewhere and come back to shitpost your own headphones. It's all in the fun ;)

>>61578974
What headphones?

why does /hpg/ call any headphone approaching golden ears target in the bass department, 'niggerbass'?

>>61578987
I'm not even arguing that Sennheisers are bad or anything, i just find absurd that people will suggest something bad just for being remotely similar to the good stuff they like.
In terms of closed backs in that price range the DT770 is far more balanced, the treble is about 2 dBs lower than the bass and much smother overall.
The only down side would be it being v-shape and even than we are talking about bass and treble in detriment of the part that human hearing can spot the best, to liste on the go where engines and wind noise can swallow everthing but mids and mid-treble this works fine.

I mean, people even say they are the same headphone with detachable cable and bass port, have they never tested it at all? It sounds totally different in all positions!

Does akg k240 have sufficient technical ability?

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>>61577649
These are shit. Beyerdynamic Custom Studio are much better.

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>>61577797
This post is incorrect.

>>61579271
>>61579301
Why are your shitposts so disgusting to look at? Also, see >>61574887 and >>61577845

>>61579116
Yes, and lumpy mids and rolled off highs are neutral. Also, if your headphone drivers are angled to the point of being directed at the floor the soundstage is better and it has nothing to do with fqr and crossfeed. It's also based on conclusions developed by looking at an AES paper and misunderstanding an algorithm that subjectively widens soundstage.

>>61579301
>"who are you going to believe? me or yours lying ears?"

>>61577828
Because we're all animals. How long do you think we've been doing this shit? Our intelligence only exists as a scheming tool; it made us better at stealing star energy from other organisms. That's the only reason why it exists, and that still remains its only function; to be used as a scheming tool to derive gratification or satisfaction from our selfish, individual desires, and most of the human race are still completely owned by that nonsense. They're still more obedient to the notions of nepotism, family superiority, nationalism, racism, than they are devoted to any high-minded ideal of civilization, or decency, or justice, or fairness.

>>61579271
Feel free to ignore actual good points like >>61579128, it just makes it clear that you never listened to either.

>>61579319
>inane ramblings about random topics
I think he's losing it guys.

>>61579572
>Being this buttmad about your precious shitheisers being assblasted.

>>61578788
What's the difference between the Custom One Pro and the Custom One Pro Plus?

>>61579301
>Headphone occasionaly presents seal issues that affects low frequencies
>Somehow that's not relevant to the listening experience

>>61579621
Nothing different headphone wise, just more customization options. The plus is basically a re-release.

>>61579476
While i don't disagree i must say that to think of the intelligence as only a scheeming tool is rather simplistic, the higher fuctions of the brain extend to (and os affects by) several cultural matters that are directly related to planning ir scheeming.

>>61579620
Show me where I mentioned sennheiser.

>>61579667
Thanks. So if the custom pro fr is shit, the custom studios are the best dt 770 variant to get since it has a detachable cable?

>>61579660
>rtings (yeah...)
Measured them to be remarkable consistency. This measurement is very useful.
>http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sennheiser/hd-600
Obviously, this doesn't mean it's impossible for some random site to setup a measurement improperly and publish plots with a bad seal. That's the one plot sennhating shitposters seem to like quoting every time.

>>61579743
The tripfag pleb did demonstrate he's a clueless moron in the previous thread. Just filter and enjoy a dipolarfree /hpg/

>>61579753
>rtings

>>61579773
He's already cracking. I think with a bit more we may be able to drive him off of /hpg/ forever.

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>>61579745
Pretty much, if you want to pay the extra for a detachable cable which is always worth it when spending over $100 on a headphone imho.

>>61579773
>>61579784
Fellow Sennshills unite!

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>>61579797
I feel bad for anyone with an early model of the HD 600

>>61579774
>rtings
Just adds a significant amount of measurements on different positionings which happen to be consistent and remain close to those of other sites.
Which agrees with the fact the poorly sealed one is an statistical anomaly, an oddity; They simply fucked it up.

>>61579784
>>61579773
Sorry you sperglords but I'm here to stay. I could give less of a flying fuck about sperglord shillheiser fans pushing $300 lumpy mid, rolled off highs meme cans on every single person who asks.

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>>61579813
W-woah!

>>61579784
Whoah, he's getting all defensive now. He'll indeed crack soon.

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>Crossfade M-100 for that bass
>DT990 for that treble
>K702 for them highs

What headphones would you recommend for great mids? Are /\ shaped sound signatures even a thing?

>>61579813
>>61579835
They can probably sell these for good coin, considering how much of a rarity 1997's HD600 are.

>>61579753
I don't know about the others, but when i think of improper seal on the HD600 i'm actually reminded of Anons arguing that this was what caused the unmatching channels on innerfidelity, which is funny because the HD600 is pretty popular there.
If someonee who really likes something can't get a proper seal evento after several measurements how can It be the person's fault when other headphones such as the DT880 don't present the same issue on the same rig or any other?
Not saying that the HD600 os trash because of something like that, just that It is not without it's faults and people should test a headphone or others before shilling or bashing ir so much.

>>61579854
Hifiman he-400i, although I wouldn't quite them mid-centric. If you bother with EQ you could probably make some adjustments between 2khz-5khz

>>61579813 >>61579835
The imbalance in the bass clearly indicates a poor seal during the measurement.

>>61579888
>unironically recommends the HE400i

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>>61579835
>>61579893
First, a problem with earlier models, now poor seal? Make up your mind, goy!

how do headphone measurement sites account for the frequency response in the recording equipment?

>>61579915
>hd600 120Ω pic
wtf is that

>>61579908
>Asks for cans with good mids
>Give him suggestion for cans with good mids

:^) what would you recommend?

>>61579854
AD900x is rather mid-centric leaning towards the treble.

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>>61579915
Anyone else notice Sennheiser's logo and its relation to the HD 600's frequency response?

>>61579128
>the treble is about 2 dBs lower than the bass
No. DT770 treble is ear-raping. Beyerdynamic Custom Studio's treble is much more sensible.

What do you guys preffer? A signature that's overall more neutral but has a bigger peak somewhere or a signature that's less neutral overall but with smaller peaks?

>>61580045
>Doesn't pay attention to the measurements
>Haven't tested either
Ok, keep spewing meme names and showing how little tou can actually contribute.

>>61580091
Something with bass but doesn't overpower everything else or delve into niggerbass territory

>>61580091
The bigger the fqr discrepancy the more noticeable it is when you're listening. I'd rather have headphones/speakers with many smaller deviations from neutral than ones with a handful of major flaws that stand out.

>>61579854
>Are /\ shaped sound signatures even a thing?
Yeah, it's called n shaped and it's where the treble and bass are rolled off while having emphasis on the mids. It's not very popular since most people find it very boring since it takes away the exciting frequencies, but the hd600 and ath im02 are n shaped.

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>>61580149

>>61580125
Sure, like the HE400i, with its ShitTier midrange.

>>61579854
This >>61580149 and >>61579978, one has prominent mids and low-mids and the other prominent mids and high-mids.
There's a good price difference, but still, try them out and pic your poison.

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>>61574212

SONY MDR-ZX300 neutral equalization?

Thanks!

>>61580045
this

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>>61580183
>Shit tier midrange.
I know the truth hurts anon, but it seems like the he-400s have better and flatter midrange than these hd650s

>>61580149
HD600 are not N-shaped. HD600 has boosted midbass, excellent bass extension as objectively demonstrated by >>61579301 and neutral treble.

>>61580381
>still demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of HRTF
Please stop spreading misinformation.

>>61580417
>Still performing extreme levels of damage control for your shillheiser memecans

Please stop spreading misinformation

What's the best $100 headset with a mic that can connect to PS4/Xbox One/PC?

>>61580381 >>61580436
Like in the previous thread, you're making a fool of yourself. Stick to speakers and shitposting.

>>61580417
>>61580513
>Generally speaking, the HRTF boosts frequencies from 2 - 5 kHz with a primary resonance of +17 dB at 2,700 Hz. But the response curve is more complex than a single bump, affects a broad frequency spectrum, and varies significantly from person to person.

Why would I want a midrange spike when there's a chance my ear already is overly sensitive between 2khz-5khz?

You're literally naming HRTF as the reason I'm wrong when it's the exact reason you DONT want the issue the hd600 has.

>>61580417
HRTF would mean you'd want a flatter response, especially around the midrange...

>>61580376
Go read the graphs, i'll wait, your bassy suggestion with wonky veiled treble won't get any better.

>>61580586
>Why would I want a midrange spike when there's a chance my ear already is overly sensitive
Yet another reason why people should test headphones before buying, instead they not only skip testing but actually recommend things they don't really know the sound of

>>61580506
You're not going to find anything that can connect to all 3. The PS4 and Xbox one have a proprietary connector for headsets.

As far as PC stuff, consider the status audio Cb-1s and a modmic for a headset. I won't comment for console stuff because I haven't had a console since the ps2.

>>61580666
He's summoned the devil against beyerdynamic to slay the brand.

>>61580381
That's the HE-400, not the HE-400I. HE-400I is far better.

>>61580788
>Recommending things they don't know the sound of

You basically described /hpg/ in one sentence. Besides the gross misunderstandings of psychoacoustics prevalent in the posters here, they fail to understand that everyones ears are slightly different.

That's the unfortunate reason that they cite articles and graphs and then misinterpret them to fit their own narrative. They literally have no idea what the fuck they're looking at or reading, and theorycraft some bullshit to fit their purchase advice narrative.

It's not my fault they cant read or refuse to accept the truth.

>>61580832
No brand slaying, just shitposters who don't know the headphones they suggest.

Buying Audio equipment online is probably the most retarded fucking thing you can do.
From now on I'm refusing to buy anything that I haven't demoed in person.

i've been using hifiman re-400's for a while and liked them, so I figure I'd give their open backs a shot. which are better, the he-400i or the he-400s (stock or pad swapped)?

>>61580884
>youre misinterpreting your sources!
>has to date never posted his own sources
lol, just lol

>>61580927
400i are much better. 400s are cheaper and have worse bass extension. Make sure you buy from Amazon or another store which lets you do returns, just in case you get a lemon.

>>61580941
looks like i'm in luck then, since they're cheaper on amazon right now. is it worth the effort to pad swap them like people do with the 400s (if you even can do that on the 400i)?

>>61580911
If only everyone would do that... Still, no harm in buying online if you can return in case you don't like it, have seen more than a few Anons ording three or more headphones from Amazon and returning all but the favorite.

Can someone explain to me why MMCX connectors are bad?

>>61580911
the in-store premium vs online is ridiculous

>>61581120
They're not that bad, but some people prefer 2 pin for a stronger anchor to the IEMs. That being said, 2 pin connectors are more likely to break.

>>61580797
Why not CB-1 and BoomPro? Pretty sure PS4 controller has 3.5mm.

>>61581233
If it does then go ahead. I'm not familiar with the console layouts, I was 90% sure the connector was proprietary.

>>61581003
>>61581205
Is it a dick move to go to the local hifi store only to demo headphones without buying? I went to my local store to test out a pair of sennheiser 559, they even opened a brand new sealed box

>>61580963
400i comes with the $30 focus pads as opposed to the $10 shitvelours the 400S comes with. I think the focus A pads are supposedly even better but I doubt it desu.

>>61581252
not really, as long as you have clean hair/skin i'd say it's just like trying cloths before buying, hell, you might actually like it enough to get it right there, it's better than not going to the store at all.

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>budget
120 €
>source
desktop motherboard, no dedicated sound card
>type
over-ear
closed, I can live without the soundstage

It needs to have detachable cable and easily replacable pads.

>>61581458
Sennheiser HD380 Pro

How silly to use IEM cables for a full-sized headphobe?

https://www.amazon.ca/Shure-EAC64BK-Detachable-Earphone-Earphones/dp/B0046HADYQ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

not sure if the wire that's normally wrapped behind the ear could become an annoyance

>>61581602
A cable is a cable.

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>>61581588
Just fuck my shit up senpai.

>>61581636
Buy 280s,they're better anyways
380 are niggerbass

>>61581636
:X

>>61581636
Ebay

>>61581458
HM5

>>61581831
Redpill™ me on headphone brands besides akg, beyer, sennheiser, sony and philips.

How do I clean the insides of my ear?

>>61582037
dont use earbuds, they cause wax impaction which leads to temporary impairment in hearing, I use a combination of an oil/glycerine to help shift the wax and isopropyl alcohol to dry it out, both are available at a chemist. you can use a waterbottle to irrigate also, put some salt in preboiled water and and when its lukewarm, put it in a sports bottle or similar that can produce a stream of water when you squeeze it. then just tilt your head to the side and irrigate your ears when you're in the shower.

>>61582144
>earbuds
Qtips, I assume?

>>61582037
Ultrasonic waves produced by dt770.

>>61582144
Just clean you ear less if your options are stabbing your eardrum or a cocktail of chemicals.

>>61574266
Amen brother. HD600 are truly the ultimate pleb filter.

Shure se215 or Etymotic MK5?

>>61577438
Don't get the se215, they are the in-ear equivalent of the ATH-M50, niggerbass tier. Get either a MEE M6 Pro or Etymotic MK5 for more clarity in sound.

>>61582261
The etymotics sound better, but the shures have the detachable cable which makes them a better value.

The etymotics are clarity/accuracy oriented but they're uncomfortable.

The shures are darker sounding, midbass oriented but they're comfortable and also feature a detachable cable.

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>>61574212
what does /hpg/ think of the T50 mk3?

>>61582037
Ear wax is there for your health, only clean the surface and avoid deep insertion iems not to accumulate wax against your eardrums.
Leave deep cleaning for professionals in case you ever need it, but chances are that you wont.

>>61582492
is tinnitus a good reason to try an ear wax removal kit?

>>61582506
>mfw it didn't work
A-at least it's quieter now..

>>61582506
That's a reason to see a doctor, you probably will want to avoid headphones in general too.

>>61582476
One of those weird cases where fostex struck gold with the design of the transducer itself, but decided to put it in a very underdeveloped design which is why the mod community eats these things up and spits out all sorts of designs for different sound signatures. Probably one of the best entry headphones for planar magnetics, and if you like to tinker adding simple mods to them can improve and change the sound signature to your liking.

>>61582527
>you probably will want to avoid headphones in general too.
exactly what my family doctor said but I can't do that. Definitely avoiding IEMs though.

I don't even listen to high volumes. It's probably because of commuting on the bus (gets pretty loud at the back) and/or an ear infection I had when I was a kid.

>>61577279
Bose QC35 aren't the best but they are perfect for travel and have a smooth sound signature that won't cause ear fatigue. They also block a consistent amount of noise so you can play your music at a lower volume than normal.
>>61577489
Keep in mind those measurements are lab spec so results will vary every time you insert them into your ear.
With my MK5 (which use the same design) they block most mid-high range noise but only a small amount of low range noise. It didn't block as much as the QC35 but with music playing at 25% volume you can't hear anything outside.
>>61577649
>Beyerdynamic
>Comfortable
What a stretched truth.

>>61582180
yeah, sorry meant cotton buds

>no HD6xx until December
Fucking

>>61582535
>underdeveloped design
Yeah. I was planning on getting the mayflower modded version, since I know nothing about modding outside of cosmetic add ons

https://www.mayflowerelectronics.com/shop/headphones/fostex-t50rp-mk-iii-version-1/

would you say they are good closed (semi-open) cans for under $300? Want something balanced and good all-around

>>61577641
>all those countries where the average man is literally dumber than Forrest Gump

Ending Apartheid and European colonisation was a mistake

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>mfw the people mastering the music you're listening to don't care this much about FR & SQ

>>61582595
Hmm. It's only 35 ohms although it does have 100db sensitivity. Have you considered getting an amp? Low power, especially during music like Rock tends to be a symptom of not driving enough juice into your headphones. I do suppose a laptop might not be driving them properly though. Consider an Amp or an Amp/DAC Combo. Fulla 2 if you're American, E10k, FX DAC X6, etc.

>>61582631
I'm still incredibly skeptical about how it'll turn out. As it'll only be the 2nd batch, I do wonder if the quality will be consistent as the 1st one.

>>61582593
Damn, that sucks man, if you insist maybe going with an open-back for more ventilation and pads that don't touch much the ears or make you sweat would be ideal? I'm not sure really, never seen a doctor saying "yeah, some heapdhones will be less bad than others for tinnitus".
>>61582594
>Anything
>Comfortable
>What a subjective opinion.

>>61582535
I remember when people were modding the Mark II. After what seemed like three years it seemed like only one person figured reflecting the high frequency backwave away from the ceiling of the cup since it would reflect it right back onto the diaphragm.

>>61582662
Indeed, people need to learn a bit about production, so much bulshit is said here in the name of fidelity and yet they have no clue.

Where do you guys buy headphones? Amazon? I've been looking for a pair of HD 650s and they all sell for basically the same price from what I can tell. Even the used pairs only cost like $30 less.

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Sup /hpg/ I've just finished university and gotten a decent job and I'm looking to upgrade my sound equipment, I've already ordered a pair of HD600's (got a really good deal) but I'm wondering if I need to buy a DAC/amp/preamp ect, I mostly watch a lot of movies and TV and occasionally listen to music on my Thinkpad (I'm more of a cinephile than a audiophile). Bonus points if this DAC/amp/preamp can be easily plugged into a TV so I can avoid having to pay $10 000 for a really good surround sound system, thanks in advance.

>Budget
Ideally under $500 but I can go a bit over-budget if I need to.
>Location
Australia
>Source
X1 Carbon Thinkpad/LG G7
>Type of headphone
Sennheiser HD 600
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
n/a
>Sound signature
Good for speech and soundtracks(therefore a fair bit of symphonic stuff)

>>61582642
I have no experience with Mayflower products, but I've heard Mr speakers mad dogs at the New York audio show and I was very impressed. There's another company that does fostex mods as well that I can't quite remember the name of.
>>61582808
Yeah I'm pretty sure comb filtering was the biggest issue modders were running into with stock and modded models.

>>61582448
I knew all of that going in, and I'm still stuck. Comfort is important, as I'll be taking these on a plane, but they'll be my main iems for some time afterward, so the boost in clarity might be worth it in the long run?

Leaning toward the se215, but the complaints of no treble have me a bit worried about how bad the imaging is going to be. I don't want iems that sound more closed in than the mh1c. I miss those.

My music preferences are all over the place too, so that doesn't help.

>>61582662
And yet the best producers do give a shit about sound quality. James Martin Hannett, Bryan David Vigorson, Giorgio Moroder, Alan Parsons are all producers that worked and helped create iconic, generation defining albums and they all believed in a high sound quality recording and production philosophy.

>>61582991
If your biggest concern is imaging and clarity and your music tastes aren't edm and Kendrick Lamar's latest album, go with the etymotics. Maybe try some different foam ear tips and see if you can help with the comfort. I went with comply eartips for my er4xr and it was much more comfortable than the flange silicon tips.

If you really like that sound signature too, down the line consider splurging on the higher end etymotic products with a detachable cable.

Is there a point in getting a Schiit Stack for a set of entry-level cans like the HD 558s, or will the difference be so negligible that I shouldn't bother?

>>61583135
Yeah that's absolutely overkill for entry level stuff. Buy better headphones before investing in dac/amp combos

>>61583135
Hardly any difference unless your source is pretty bad, besides, if you are not very used to how a headphone sounds it will be even harder to spot the difference.

>>61583135
I actually tried pairing HD 558s with a Schitt stack once. They sounded AWFUL. I wasn't the only one who thought that either, something about that DAC/Amp and those Sennheiser cans don't mesh well. There's an audible high pitched squeal. I'd wait until you get some high quality cans, IMO I regret the 558s there were better headphones at that price point.

>>61576463
this is what i got. they were recommended by you guys and i fuckin love them. same with the mic. it moves a round a little bit, but it works. also, its pretty clear from what ive been told

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What are these?

>>61583421
Nips.

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>>61583442
but where can I get a pair?

>>61582882
Amp: Schiit Magni 2
DAC: Schiit Fulla 2, Schiit Modi 2 or https://hifimediy.com/sabre-dac-uae23; Modi 2 Uber could be useful if your TV can output via Toslink SPDIF or Coaxial SPDIF. Otherwise, just connect your TV or cable box to the Magni 2's RCA inputs.

>>61583455
Might be a stab but i think they are for live bands to lower sound, so check instrument stores

>>61583455
You can obtain a pair of Nips in Japan.

>>61583500
Can't I order them online? What about customs?

>>61583523 new thread

>>61583520
If you could order a pair of custom Nips online I wouldn't be here; I'd be in the sex dungeon.

>>61583487
Thanks anon.