/hpg/ - Headphone General

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>>61530443
Idol trash approves of OP.
What's your setup like, Anon?

How do I mod my headphones to have more technical resolution?

>>61530463
I, like you, have audio gear with only .2 dB of deviation, which is inaudible to the human ear.

>>61530496
Brilliant Pebbles

>technical ability in gear doesn't exist
Reminder that you can make 50 cent earbuds sound like HD800s with EQ.

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

>>61530496
You EQ it into some cheap earbuds.

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>>61530443
Nth for all headphones are exactly the same once EQd

All headphones are the same.

Pay anything more than $5 for headphones and you're just paying for EQ settings.

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>>61530443

Hi i am from /csg/

ALL YOUR STUFF IS OVERPRICED (for what it does)

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>>61530536
>>61530551
>>61530561
IF YOU CAN'T MEASURE IT IN SI UNITS IT'S NOT REAL

>>61530540
>Zetsuboushita!
Whatever has more technical ability.
>>61530561
If you ignore technical ability.

>>61530584
That's nice. Retard.

>>61530615
Oh, you moved from resolution to ability now. What is technical ability? Is it frequency response, distortion? Impulse response? What should I look for when looking for a headphone with good technical abilities?

>>61530584
enjoy ur ear cancer lmao

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>look at these people with actual jobs--I mean these retards with good headphones!
>my Skullcandies sound just as good when EQ'd!
/hpg/ - Headphone General

>>61530609
It's a trial. Technical Ability is just measuring your level of faith.
The faithful will find sound nirvana. The non-believers are just pitiful.
But Technical Ability is merciful. They will all be forgiven and welcome to the true path, once they finally see the light of Technical Ability.

>>61530676
It's like athletic ability, it's how good the headphone can perform.

>>61530676
>>61530693
Whoa dude you're so clever and taunting! Stop bullying me!! >__<

If you don't use Skullcandies or cheaper models, you are a hypocrite and nothing you say holds weight.

>>61530676
Oh fuck, was it resolution? I must have changed it at some point, my bad.
It's not like I'm full of shit.

>>61530710
Skullcandies are great sound quality, just shitty build quality.
Wish people would stop shitting on them when they like Hifiman.

>>61530736
For real? I've tried at least one model, no idea what it was called but it sounded pretty bad. I thought they were awful all around.

>>61530701
That's fair. So like in an anthlete I can measure his strength, speed or stamina, what do I measure in headphones to find out its abilities?

>>61530710
I'm just asking you to explain it to me, so I can better choose my next headphones when the ones I have inevitably break, or when I become really rich. I tried looking around for "technical ability" on the internet, but nobody talks about it. No reviewers, not even head-fi or other forums. I'm sure you can explain, or at least link me somewhere to someone who knows.

>everything that matters is measured FR
>"so why do you EQ your headphones?"
>I preffer paying more for the same results

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>>61530625
>>61530681

no i just enjoy real hifi like ribbon tweeters horns and digital crossovers and monster subs

iems rock for on the go

hifi is true endgame

cans suck - the hardware and amps are ridiculous for the price - sorry you guys cant make in real noise in your basements ans cuck sheds

>>61530682
What headphones do you own?

>>61530757
Technical ability doesn't exist and can't be measured, which is why you should use 50 cent Chinese earbuds. You use those, right?

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>>61530784
These. Sounds better than Sennheiser Orpheus after I tweak their FR with EQ.

>>61530812
Well no, I guess I fell for the nonexistent technical ability meme. Thanks for enlightening me, but why were you pretending technical ability exists a couple posts back?

What's the point of using open headphones if soundstage can't be measured?

>>61530839
Guess I was brainwashed by those pesky audiophools, haha :) Let's enjoy our disposable Chinese earbuds together, my enlightened objectivist friend.

>>61530829
Attaboy!

So, SMSL SD793-II.
Good idea for Sennheiser HD650/xx?

>>61530845
Fuck you

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Just joined the drop for the 6XX hnnnng

>>61530945
>paying $200 for EQ settings

Topping D7
Shchiit Jot
Or Audio-DG NFB-11

Which one?

>>61530958
Sennheiser always puts extra technical abilities in their headphones, it's worth it.

>>61530958
You're right, I should.have gotten $10 shitphones from Wal-Mart and eq'd them tomsound like HD800s

>>61530979
>still shitposting when he doesn't actually use $5 headphones
??? get a life lol?

>>61530961
Depends on your load.
Chances are, you'd be fine with a DAC-X6 or Fulla 2.

>>61530540
HD580

>>61530945
All shitposting aside congrats, $200 for the HD650 is worth af

>>61530540
I would say beats since Dr dre invented the headphone

>>61531025

Thanks mate, just have to wait a while but I'm sure it will be worth the wait. Now I have to start looking into amps and dac.

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So what's everyone listening to and with what tonight?

>>61531105
Mexico v Jamaica, with speakers

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>>61531004
The sad thing is that there are legitimate technical aspects to a headphone that influence the sound beyond just a frequency response graph, that's also why they're often measured. You, or whoever the original bullshitter was, could've admitted that he was actually talking out of his ass instead of going "Well if you don't believe in my made up words that means you must think the only difference between chinkshit and expensive headphones is an EQ setup!!!" like a retard.

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What is the best app for music on Android OS?

>>61531134
Right, I guess someone who doesn't know what the Scoville scale is also can't tell if one food is spicier than another.

I asked you equally worthless questions because there's no point talking to an autistic idiot like you.

While I'm honestly not sure if detail retrieval can be empirically measured, it's obviously audible to anyone with ears. People who care about sound and delusional audiophiles are not necessarily the same, you retard. Grow up.

>>61531221
Yeah but what's technical resolution?

>>61531134
>using layman terms for something that can be perceived by most people is wrong
nah ur a child i hope someday u get humbled by ppl better and smarter than u

>>61531221
I'm not disagreeing with you. You assumed that because I don't believe in "technical resolution/ability", I must obviously be on the other side of the fence.

You can obviously tell which food is spicier than another. But what you did was taste it, and said one of them tastes better because it measures higher on the Richter scale. Then your ego couldn't take someone calling you out on your bullshit so you decided to double down. You could've just shrugged, not reply and move on, nobody would've been able to tell. Or said "I don't know the technicalities, but headphones aren't just frequency response graphs". Anything. Instead you keep embarrassing yourself.

>>61531252
How can you tell this pepper is spicier than that lettuce without measuring its Scoville heat unit?

>>61531293
I think things such as instrument separation, timbre, detail retrieval etc. are easily noticed by having decent ears, like you'd notice if one food is spicier than another. I refer to that set of a headphone's ability to reproduce sounds "technical ability" because I think it's an apt term.

I even wrote a paragraph explaining myself. Yet you continued this entire shit flinging contest because you don't like my choice of terms and think it equates me to a Head-Fi audiophile.

Your needlessly antagonistic agenda was clear from the start, and I was right not to treat you as a rational and civil adult.

>>61531134
>Fake Beats
what the fuck
is this the true meaning of niggerbass?

Yamaha Tanglewood

>>61530536
What units do you measure technical ability in?

>hey i can hear more detail in this more expensive headphone
>DID HE JUST SAY DETAIL?
>!!! AUDIOPHILE ALERT !!! SIC EM BOIZ
/hpg/

>>61531379
See, you could've said those two sentences, word for word, the first time someone asked what "technical resolution" is. You don't need to be an audio engineer and know the exact technical terms, but you can't also make up your own words and assume everyone knows what you mean by them.
You're a funny guy, though, and if I owned a fedora, I'd give you a tip and an upvote for that crap.

>>61531436
In chinese earbuds. You take the headphone's technical abilities, divide it with a gas station earbud and you have your TA unit.

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>All these plebs listening to schizophonic sources
Disgusting.

>not listening to live performances in your own home
Never gonna be HiFi m8

If you don't have the exact same preferences and setup as me you're a idiot

>>61531526
If you don't automatically fully comprehend what I mean by my made up terms, you're literally a subhuman imbecile that stands for everything I disagree with

>>61531455
>audiophile
Audiophool

>>61531469
>See, you could've said those two sentences
Except this is /g/, not an academic or civilized setting, and I don't assume both parties are rational or fair. You're a faggot but you're at least reasonable, and I have no reason to expect this out of anyone.

I could have said this and more just to have 3 people ask me "How do you know it exists if it can't be measured? Do you use magic rocks too?" or do what I did, which was funnier and less of an investment. I think it was a logical choice.

>>61531469
>>61531600
Also how the fuck is "technical ability" not easy to understand? You act like I called it "multidynamic soundscaping" or something for fuck's sake.

As for "resolution" I just called it that because I was bored and felt like using a different word.

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I prefer supra-aural.

>>61531621
>multidynamic soundscaping
Vendors should start using this term in their advertisements

>>61531628
>Supra-aural
What's that again?

>>61531651
You can't have multidynamic soundscaping without multibit DACs because each bit provides a single dynamic soundscape.

>>61531669
over the ear.

>>61531628
>>61531669
Different wording for "full sized" or "over ear".

>>61531621
When you say "multidynamic soundscaping" I would simply not know what the fuck you're talking about. When you say "technical ability", I get an idea what it could be, but I don't know if you share that idea. It's not a term commonly used in the community, I'm not a native English speaker, so I prefer to be cautious rather than assume shit.
Full disclaimer, I wasn't even one of the first few people asking, I got on this ride when the headphones = chinkshit + EQ started and nobody could explain what technical resolution/ability is.

>>61531681
actually full sized is circum-aural, supra-aural is on-ear.

>>61531669
circumaural = on ear
supra-aural = around ear

>>61531700
Technical ability is clearly measured by similarity to the HD600.

>>61531681
That's circum-aural, around the ear.

>>61531628
Are they more comfortable for you? I have on-ears, I'm happy with them, but I couldn't have them on my head for 8 hours.

>>61531718
oops I mean
supra-aural = on ear
circumaural = around ear

>>61531704 >>61531718
Fuck, let's use over ear and on ear.
They're less confusing

>>61531720
The better the technician is at bringing the sound closer to the HD600, the higher the technician's ability is.

>>61531776
You probably meant
>the higher his technical ability is

>>61531675
deltadynamic soundscaping > multidynamic soundscaping

BEYERdynamic soundscaping >>>>>>>>> all

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>>61531920

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Just got mine in the mail just now. Build quality is good and the removable cable is a bonus. Super comfy and the sound is pretty good.

Coming from the ATHAD500x's the ATHAD500x are more open and the bass is more vibrant but all in all these are worth while

>>61531989
These are some good trustyfucks.

Hey /hpg/, I need some advice. I've owned the DT880s for some time and I'm not quite happy with the sound. Can anyone recommend me headphones that sound more orange? Preferably with a more matte bass, too. I love the cascading on the 880 but I'd like to try something with a bit more curve now.

>>61532107
I'd suggest the HD600. They sound very orange, almost to the point of being brown and the cascading and curve is beautiful. It also trickles wonderfully. However, the bass is still somewhat glossy, somewhat of a sanded porcelain feel.

>>61532107
>orange
>matte bass
>cascading
>having more/less curve
Describe these. Don't assume we know wtf you're talking about.
Been lurking here for a while, but it's the first time I see these terms.

>>61531989
>removable cable
>but permanent earpads
why Philips why?

so retarded. I would have gotten a pair just for kicks otherwise

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>>61531776

>>61532153
That's my biggest problem with them. Bass should be visceral so I want it to be at least the third shade of midnight blue, but it only extends to jade and makes it sound less hyperdynamic.

>>61532202
Pads are removable. They're clipped on, but you won't be able to fit any pads without the clip, which are glued onto the pads.

Is any headphone technically better than the HD800? The trebles make my ears bleed but there is so much detail I wanna puke.

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>>61532107
>this fucking post

>>61532157
Not being lurking enough, that is "ironic" shitposting.

>>61532218
I personally prefer bass with adaptive sharpening, but they're so rare nowadays that you may as well settle for static softened bass.

>>61532296
I give up

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>>61532335
Your loss. If you can't understand these simplistic terms, then you may as well leave this general. Gee, it sure is summer, huh?

>>61532255
well that's what I meant by permanently attached.

replacing the earpads shouldn't have to creep nto DIY territory

>>61531721
Generally not, but mostly depends on clamping pressure and breathability (some baffles are fully closed, some have more venting than others, velour / leather / open foam earpads, etc).

Clamping pressure discomfort is almost always worse with on-ears, obviously. With the DT1350, after it reaches an optimum at around the 10 minute mark when the pads conform to my ears due to the pressure and heat, the pain only increases over time, and the worst by far is when I remove it. However, the worst ever headphone discomfort I got was from my AD1000X distributing more pressure at the eye-level area, it literally made me nauseous until I reshaped it slightly after which no issues.

Low-no-breathablity is worse with around-ears. I hate perspiring around my ears, hair, and neck, and although I do perspire in my ears, it doesn't feel nearly as irritating and is in some cases even warm and comforting.

Also, on-ears are better than around-ears for maintaining their position especially when subjected to higher g-forces, and for being less voluminous/obstructive and massive, which also adds to peace of mind.

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>>61532378
Aikawa-chan is only for girls.

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What's the fidget spinner of headphones?

>>61532484
Fulla 2.

>>61530443
>anime girl
>heels instead of loafers
I approve.

>>61532484
>Popular
>Shilled often
>Supposed to cure autism, but enhances it instead
>Made of low quality plastic materials
Hmmm...

>>61532526
DT880 confirmed for fidget spinner of headphones.

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>>61531989
I also prefer the 9500 over the 500x

>>61532556
>Only mentioned once compared to Sennheiser
Nice try, Fritz...

>>61532296
>he likes sharpened bass
Please. Everyone, including Dyll from outerfidelity, knows that vectorized bass is much more accurate and preferable.

SRH1540 or OP-PM3?

>he can't even upscale his bass with NGU AA
mpvfags BTFO

>>61532621
PM-3. If you have large ears, get the other one.

>>61532591
Is that a detachable cable mod?

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>>61532735
Yeah

I have the bucks to get the Stax SR-009, should I?

>>61530463
Is this setup good for listening to weebs hit and idolshit? I mainly listen to this

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>>61532968
Yep it is. Somehow, idolshit mastering sounds great in these. The voices come out particularly well.

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>tfw you amp will never sound as fresh an Altoids

>>61533013
I can tell whoever made this had a lot of technical abilities.

>>61532957
Did you try it out?

>>61532968
650s might be better if that's the only thing you listen to. 600s are still just slightly too sharp in the highs IMO

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>>61530443
Should I get an external DAC for my SHP9500s?
The sound coming out of my phone is better than out of the headphone jack of my computer.

And what DAC would be good for SHP9500s?

>>61533096
Fiio E10k should be sufficient.

what's the point of even posting here if you don't need $50 headphone recommendations

there's a lot of shitposting but not so much discussion and impressions of headphones

>>61533096
>SHP9500s
These are cheap headphones. An usb dac+amp is nice to have in general, but it'd easily cost as much as your headphones if not more.
I suggest saving the money for when you can buy better cans, such as the HD600. Only at that point you should start thinking about dacs and amps.
>>61532994 >>61533050
The HD600 are popular for their accuracy. They're by no means bright, the treble is rolled off. But the HD650 are dark and kill the treble. Some people do prefer that, but most don't. I can't recommend them unless you've tried them and know for sure that's what you want.

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>>61533034
please stop it

>>61533096
>The sound coming out of my phone is better than out of the headphone jack of my computer.
Then yeah, I'd say you'd benefit from an external DAC.

>>61533201
This show would have been better without male characters.

Wait, people actually think different headphones aren't technically weaker or stronger? Strange community you got here, pretty sure even Beats users can tell the sound is cleaner if you put $1000 headphones on their big black heads.

>>61533177
Is this your first general?

>>61533258
i'm used to better generals friendo

even vg is better lol... real sad

>>61530561
you cant EQ transient response and phase coherency

>>61533190
Weeb music is often mastered too brightly. The HD600 is excellent all around but if you're going to be listening to mostly bright music, I would recommend against it.

>>61531213
Musixmatch if you're wanna look at the lyrics of anime songs desu

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>>61533278
Only if you're oversensitive to treble and don't care about accuracy.
>idol garbage bright
Haven't personally noticed it. I would, considering I listen to too much of that.

>>61533275
Sorry anon, that's /hpg/ for ya. Not even /spg/ can get this bad.

>>61533316
It's definitely bright. Those s and sh sounds will fucking rape you if you don't EQ down the treble. Compare it to most Western music and you'll notice the difference. "Accuracy" is meaningless, if it doesn't sound good.

>>61533190
Yeah I was thinking about saving up for the hd600s

>>61533382
If you need to "save up", I suggest you don't get headphones at all. Spending money in headphones would be madness in such a setting.
Otherwise, go to camelcamelcamel, see what the pricing history is like, set some alarms and, eventually, grab some, cheaply.

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How are the hd598cs?
Which good closed back headphones can I get for around 100-150$?
Better be comfy as heck

>>61533436
Shit, get the HD280s instead.

>>61533357
Sure, that's an opinion; Yours. Many here would say that the treble in the HD600 is way too rolled off.
General agreement about HD600, be it by FR plots or by reviewers, is that it does treble just right. It makes sense for it to be the goto option (as it already is), rather than the one a minority prefers (HD650).
>>61533436
Universally considered garbage. Avoid the fuck.

>>61533451
General agreements by reviewers do not concern specifically brightly mastered music and do not contradict anything that I have said. Do yourself a favor and try out some 650s for an extended period of time, or just lower the treble by a couple of dB. Just for the bright weebshit.

>>61533474
I tried the latter. It's eww.
Specifically, The trebley instrumental track on this this track, which is hard to notice as it is, fucking becomes invisible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAq4bucVKLw
Maybe if I was like 18 years old I'd actually like the treble darker.

>>61533515
How old are you? That may actually be the case. Also don't forget the average age of /g/ is the early 20s or late teens.

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>>61533537
Early 30s. Idol trash goes to sleep.
May your soundstages soar wide and far, well above where technical ability can reach.

>>61533552
That explains it. The treble instrumentals on that track seems clear as day to me.

>>61533557
I don't think the treble rolloff in your ear is so fast, and it depends on the person, too. I knew a guy who heard nothing above 16 kHz when he was just above 20, I'm nearing 30 and can still catch above 17 kHz. Most of the sound doesn't go beyond 10 kHz anyway, and I think the sibilance is mostly around 8kHz if I remember correctly from the last time I played with an EQ.
Or is general sensitivity to like >5 kHz also getting lower with age? I don't actually know.

Taking my 990s to the post office tomorrow
Will finally be free of this curse.

>>61533627
Idol trash from bed. I'm somewhere between 17 and 18KHz in hearing tests, which seems within the range expected by age, the good end of it.

>>61533639
What headphone are replacing 'em, anon?

>>61533627
I think general sensitivity goes down too starting in the treble region. Just look at the beyer engineers.

I can go up to 20/21K ish at 20 years old.

>>61533658
My daily drivers (HD598) until Christmas at which point I'll add the HD6xx to my collection.
I dunno, maybe I'll buy something else in the meantime (it's a good few months off) but not really sure what.
Definitely going to consider actually listening to stuff at a brick and mortar instead of blind-buying.

>>61530443
looking for something cheap to use
tell me what's wrong with these, besides "it isn't audiotechnica" or "it isn't sennheiser"
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Ear-Headphones-Universal-Mic/dp/B01F2O1GRY/
https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-RP-HJE120-PPK-In-Ear-Headphone-Black/dp/B003EM8008/
I'm not an audiophile so I don't give a fuck I just want something that's not going to break on me and I don't want to wear headphones

>>61533895
>sub $10 earbuds
get the fuck out lol
you belong in /csg/

>>61533895
I honestly prefer the HJE120 more than the Xiaomi Piston 3. The larger elliptical canal makes it more comfortable and better sounding than any lauded technological advancements of the Piston 3.
>>61533940
I liked the HJE120 so much I bought a few more on sale for dirt cheap from Fry's just for backup.

>>61533940
besides "cheap shit" what's wrong with them?
they didn't seem that bad imo, enlighten me
I don't think I should have to spend $100 to have a decent product

>>61533895
The HJE120 are super comfortable and sound great after proper EQing. They're very bass-heavy without EQ. See: https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/6-panasonic-rp-hje120-surprisingly-usable.594945/page-3#post-13576623

Im 38 and my hearing falls off after 12.5k

>>61533963
>I don't think I should have to spend money for nice things
Ah yes, the poor college student.
Enjoy your tinny shitbuds that break in a month, then.

>>61534022
I haven't had a pair of IEMs break on me since I started doing JB Weld stress relief as shown in the link in >>61533977
They almost ALWAYS break via a solder coming loose and the JB Weld stress relief prevents this.

>>61534022
if you don't have a better suggestion, I'm going to get them
nearly 20k ratings, with 80% of them being 4-5 stars is good enough for me

>>61534048
Go ahead, but kindly fuck off to /csg/ where you'll be far more welcome. This is the big boy's club.

>>61534048
He's just being a douchebag; "lol you're poor" trolling is common in these threads, and on /g/ in general. I honestly prefer EQ'd HJE120s to any non-custom IEMs in any price range for their comfort. They're terrifically designed.

>>61534092
ok friendo I'll make sure to bring a pair of $300 beats with me on my way out

>>61534108
>and he thinks beats are what are considered good
i wasn't giving you shit before but come the fuck on

>>61534160
I know beats are shit
They're like $300 for flashy plastic that's worth maybe $5 at best
something you'd find in the clearance isle at the drugstore would be of comparative quality
I know they're awful, I was just fishing for a reaction from him :^)

beat the meat by dre

>>61534184
>he thinks beats are $5 headphones
low quality bait
They're hated for being overpriced normie headphones with an overly heavy bass response, but they're better than anything you'll find at your average drugstore.
You once again prove your incredibly low intelligence, are you that retard who was arguing that $5 earbuds can sound like literally every headphone ever with the proper EQ?

>>61534245
$25-50 at best, don't know what you want
they're extremely overpriced, have poor build quality, and completely ruin the audio quality of anything because of their shitty bass boosting
I mean, if they were free, I'd take them, but I would never recommend or buy them myself

>>61534022
>Not getting $5 shitbuds and eqing them to sound like hd800s
You'll never be HiFi m8

>>61534048
They're cheap for a reason, because they cut corners at every available place

The most important things about in ears are the fit you'll get, the cable and obviously the sound) and all 3 of those things aren't what cheap earbuds focus on

All they even focus on is supplying noise to your ear at a cheap price and tend to be "bass heavy" because that's one of the easiest ways to mask the fact there's no actual detail to anything.

They'll fall apart because it's made of cheap shit plastic, where as good ones will be metal
They'll tangle up easy because it's a shit wire with a mic on it which just adds another point of failure as well, good ones will have some kind of tangle free or hard to tangle wire
And they seem to come with like 2/3 different generic s/m/l tips so you'll more than likely have to deal with bad sound quality and a shit seal and having the right seal changes bass and the low end greatly

If you want to save money in the long term spend like $30-40 on some decent ones with quality parts. I'd suggest soundmagic e10, they'll last 10 times longer than 10 pairs of cheap shit ones anyway

Reminder that frequency response is everything

>>61534343
>If you want to save money in the long term
Don't bother, these people never realize that it's an investment. They'd rather buy keep buying cheap $5 earbuds every month with shit sound and build quality because "they're so cheap" than buy a $40 pair that'll last them years and sound much better but "$40 is a lot of money to spend" because they live paycheck to paycheck and only ever have maybe $100 in their account.

>>61534343
if we're jumping to the $40 range, would https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NG57H4S/ be a better option?

>>61534399
If we're jumping to headphones, you don't even have to spend $40 to get something good.
https://www.amazon.com/Superlux-681-Dynamic-Semi-Open-Headphones/dp/B002GHIPYI/

I been using a superlux hd681 for gaming. I never got expensive headphones for gaming before but recently I purchased a k7xx for its wide soundstage. I can't tell much difference from the 2 other then the k7xx is quiet when playing some games. I've heard you need an AMP to get the most of it so thats what I'm probably going to do next. I hope expensive headphones aren't some meme.

Anyways if I were to buy an amp do I need anything else like extra wires?

Can I still have my speakers plugged into my my motherboard with the amp? As in if I want to use my speakers do I have to plug my speakers to the BACK of my computer just so I can use them instead of the amp? or how does it work?

I'm thinking of getting the o2 mayflower or the schiit magni 2

Trying to get the 1More Triple Driver earphones so I can listen to music on my Axon 7. Are they any good? Anyone with experience

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>lower 2-3K and 6-10K Hz on my T1s
>suddenly it's a flawless headphone
wow!!!

>raise 1-6K Hz on my LCD-2s
>suddenly it's a flawless headphone
double wow!!!!!

>>61534682
good work anon!!

>>61534541
If you're getting an amp+dac (o2+odac or magni+modi) you can plug your speakers into the line out assuming they're powered.
If you get an amp alone you'll need a standard 3.5mm male to male cable if it doesn't come with one.

>>61534541
return them if you can. congratulations, you've just discovered that expensive headphones are a placebo, it doesn't get any better.

>>61534812
t. seven eleven janitor

What do I buy if I want to buy k612 but I want detachable cable and don't want to mod?

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>>61534399
If your main thing you want out of headphones is having them not break then a full plastic pair is not what you want.

I'll personally never buy anything like that, I just know they'll snap randomly because it's happened to me like 3 times before.

If you look for something like this where there's metal holding it all together and thick plastic on anything that might otherwise move would be good

>>61534849
>that thick cable sheath
My DT990s don't have that.

>>61534827
K7XX or K712

>>61534862
>just pay double
t-thanks.

>>61534871
what did you expect?

>>61534881
A simple feature to not cost me the price of the headphone itself.

>>61534871
The K7XX is $200 on massdrop
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/akg-k7xx-massdrop-first-edition-headphones

>>61534871
I mean, it's just cheaper to mod it to be detachable then pay a premium for a detachable cable.

>>61531989
How are they compared to the AD700xs?

>>61534399
Get the Akai Project 50x + Lyx Pro Has 30 pads.

They're clones of the ISK MDH9000

It's around 30.
It's build quality is phenomenal and its sound quality is great as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Akai-Professional-Project-50X-Headphones/dp/B01GDB79T4/

https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Ear-Pads-LyxPro-HAS-30/dp/B01N6DLLMN/


Also if anyone wants some decent velour ear pads for cheap
These can be had under 3 dollars, the hole to put your ear in could be bigger but for the price but they're thick and comfortable.


https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Binmer-MotherLander-Replacement-Velour-Ear-Pads-for-RS160-RS170-RS180-Wireless-Headphones-51222-Drop-Shipping/32804592964.html

>>61532460
Same anon. DT1350 feels like ear meat tenderizer when being removed after being left on all day.

here we go

>budget
if its justifiable, anything up to 3k, but probably around $600
>criteria
open back headphones, more bass extension than HD600
must not have "pleather" pads
alcantara leather is OK as I know that lasts
otherwise some other hard wearing material
must have replacable pads
bonus points for removable cable
doesn't bother me if it needs an amp or not

>>61535789
Oppo PM-1 for something high end with a similar sound signature to the HD600

>>61535789
Check out Focal Elear and LCD 2.

>>61534371
>because they live paycheck to paycheck and only ever have maybe $100 in their account.
wtf, that's sad.
How do people get so fucked.

>>61534541
>planning on getting his very first amp
Get a schiit fulla2. For the first amp, an usb dac+amp is the best.
This is because you need a source that you know is good, and depending on your onboard audio's dac won't give you that.
The Fulla2 may easily be all you'll ever need, too.

>>61536599
Schiit shill please stop

>>61536933
Damn shitposters. Why can't anybody here recommend shit without being called a shill anymore?

>>61536599
2 fulla schitt

>>61537179
$ lsusb.py
3-3.5.3 0d8c:1066 00 2.00 480MBit/s 500mA 3IFs (Schiit Audio I'm Fulla Schiit)

>>61530443
>Budget
$600
>Location
Australia
>Source
o2+odac
>Type of headphone
Over ear prefered
>Open or closed
Open prefered
>Comfort level
Non issue
>Sound signature
Flat to warm
>Past headphones
Grado sr80i - enjoyed it despite the obvious colouration
AKG K701 - great aside from the anemic bass, better than the sr80i's but a bit 'cold'.

>>61537204
hd600

>>61537253
he said he didn't like anemic bass

>>61537343
HD600 has excellent bass extension for an open headphone. He also asked for something flat.
But... why not suggest something yourself?

>>61531476
>Band inside theatre
>theatrical performance
>actual marines barking like rabid dogs and firing real ammunition past my ears
>actual degenerate savages bumping uglies within earshot
Can't get any more authentic, such level of sound purity worthy of a true patrician.
Surreal taste, plebeians will only know disdain.

>>61537404
>>actual marines barking like rabid dogs and firing real ammunition past my ears
Unfortunately that's ear rape. It can damage your ears, so we at /hpg/ do not recommend this.

>>61537394
HiFiMAN HE-400i

>>61537535
That's not flat though?

O2 vs Magni+Mobi 2 Uber?
With HD600s

>>61537662
Both will perform equally with the HD600
Go for price, looks or features

>>61537718
Which is cheaper for eurocuck?

>>61537542
no headphone is flat

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>>61530443

Have ~80€ to spend on a mobile DAC.

I listen to EDM/House/Drum & Bass/Hardstyle and I would pair them with my AKG K-167 DJ headphones.

Either AudioQuest DragonFly Black or FiiO E10K Olympus 2.

Help a normie out, losers.

>>61537204
K712's are warmer, better and have bass compaired to the K701

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Looking for some headphones, preferably closed to block external noise.

Here's my options:
>AKG K 240 MK II - 90€
>AKG Y50 - 60€
>Sony MDR-10RC - 60€
>Philips Fidelio X2 - 170€
>AKG K121 - 70€

Don't want to spend too much. Detachable cable would be great.
I'm used to my SoundMAGIC E10 in-ears but want to change to headphones for PC use.

>>61538022
Fiio. Dragon fly measures like shit.

>>61534849
Fix that with superior 3d printing plastic.

>>61538022
Schiit Fulla 2.

>>61537204
K712 or hd650

anything higher than that and you might as well just get hd800's

I can't attest to the sonic difference, but the srh1840 seems like it would be exactly what you want assuming that the increase in price isn't just due to marketing.

Also before you go spending 500 or 700 on k712's:

https://www.eglobaldigitalcameras.com.au/akg-k712-pro-over-ear-headphone.html

>>61538498
>k712 or hd650
Both are colored versions, like his old headphones. He wants flat.
It's a pretty clear HD600 choice there.
>but hd650 has more bass!
Barely. But it does have less treble, and forward mids. Less flat.
>k712
colored (v-shape).

[just for fun] I'd like to mod my monoprice IEMs to have a detachable cable. Has anyone done something like this before? Is there a good source for cheap parts to achieve this?

>>61538022

smsl idea

>>61537204
Audeze LCD-2 used
Hifiman HE-560

HD 600 or 650?

>>61539293
Either one; depends what kind of a sound you like. There is only a slight difference between the two. I prefer the 650.

>>61539293
If you want accuracy, the HD600.
If you'd like some coloring, specifically less treble, more back and more forward mids, the HD650.
They're not very different in practice.

>>61539472
>back
bass.

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>>61534849
>holding up a model with a known design flaw as a paragon of build quality

>>61537204
HD600, obviously.
>>61539293
HD600 is more accurate, thus better.

>>61539856
snapbeyers.
*snap*

>>61539856
I don't see how you could break them like that unless you go out of your way to try spin the earcup 360 while holding the headband still by force

Listening to some Aphex Twin with Fidelio X2's here. Would you guys recommend a DAC (or a DAC/AMP combo) for these? I know that amps are definitely useful for the cans that require lots of juice, but is there a general consensus on DACs? Worth the money or do new-ish motherboards do the conversion with the same quality / without noticeable difference?

>>61540013
It develops a stress fracture there over time from constantly putting on/taking off the headphones, just like the HD600/650/6XX headband. However, while the HD600 headband issue can be entirely prevented by doing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNxK-NwSR5U as soon as you get the headphones, there's no known fix to the DT770/880/990 hinge issue.

>>61540195
>issue
There is no issue. Just like there is no snapping issue. Snapping after 5+ years is not an issue, neither is the beyer hinges. Stop shitposting.

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>>61540432
>Snapping after 5+ years is not an issue
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>61540571
>told to stop shitposting
>shitposts
/hpg/ in a nutshell

How should I manage my volume.
Should I just put my mediaplayer software and operating system volume at 100% and then adjust the volume with the volume knob on my amp?
I am aiming for the best quality and least distortion so I'd like to know how to do this.

>>61540619
Yes. Although modern DACs have enough resolution for digital volume control so it wouldn't really matter either way.

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>>61530443
Are the cables on the KZ HD9 removable and can I use the KZ Bluetooth cable with them?
http://s.aliexpress.com/6zQ7je2U

>>61540147
I've tried a cheap fiio E10K (line out port in the rear) with my X2s and don't notice much of a difference if any at all with my onboard sound (Realtek ALC887 I believe).
The only advantage you gain with X2 is consistency so you won't have to worry about on board sound quality ever again when upgrading your motherboard.

>>61540641
>>61540619
Digital volume control is only acceptable with a 32-bit DAC that grants software volume control access to the DAC's internal data path: http://www.esstech.com/files/3014/4095/4308/digital-vs-analog-volume-control.pdf
Stop shitposting.

>>61534184
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>>61540900
>misrepresenting the paper just to satisfy your own anger
This is just sad.

>>61541005
Not him. Just read the paper. He's not misrepresenting it. Stop shitposting.

>>61541227
Paper makes no comment on audibility, only technical differences. Stop samefagging.

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>>61539919

>>61539885
>more accurate
>what is the circle of confusion

>>61541268
It's certainly audible with 16 bit or 24 bit audio. -96 dB (the dynamic range of 16 bit audio) is generally accepted to be a noise floor level which is audible in some circumstances; any louder noise will definitely be audible.
http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php/features-menu/general-interest-interviews-menu/311-what-s-wrong-with-digital-volume-controls shows us that 16 bit and 24 bit digital volume control can definitely make the noise floor louder than -96 dB in real-world circumstances. I can't seem to find a similar table for 32 bit audio.

>>61540900
>Digital volume control is only acceptable with a 32-bit DAC
Actually that's what the dither was invented for.

>>61537738
used objective 2 amp
why do you even considering modi 2 uber?

>>61541692
In a real world listening scenario, the background noise is usually around 30dB at best. Moreover, the perceived dynamic range of 16 bit audio is more than -96 dB. See here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range#Audio
>The 16-bitcompact dischas a theoretical undithered dynamic range of about 96dB,however, theperceiveddynamic range of 16-bit audio can be 120dB or more withnoise-shaped dither, taking advantage ofthe frequency response of the human ear.

Even very well mastered songs have dynamic range not even nearing 96dB. To put this into perspective, that song should have to have noises quieter than a library and louder than a jackhammer. With this data, we can conclude that the difference is VERY likely inaudible. Of course, you're free to prove me wrong with something like a double blind test. But claiming audibility of such minute differences fall into the realm of audiophoolery and contrarianism over personal biases. Moreover, when I mentioned modern dacs earlier, I assumed 24-bit (even cheapo dacs do this). With a 24 bit DAC these issues are even harder to perceive. To suggest that the effect of digital volume control is inaudible is the only logically supported argument.

>>61541819
>background noise
Not an issue with closed headphones and IEMs.
>dithering
Is this a DAC feature or something added to the actual audio?
>Even very well mastered songs have dynamic range not even nearing 96dB
You're saying even very well mastered songs have less dynamic range than 96 dB? If so, I don't see how this supports your argument.

What are some good In-Ear headphones for under 50€, I'd like to go even below that price if possible, I'm not looking for ultra-high quality, just a decent built and acceptable sound, it's for my workout sessions at the gym.

>>61538128
Have you considered the ATH-M50X? I have the Fidelio X2, great headphones but no closed at all.

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could someone recommend me bluetooth heaphones for working out. /csg/ can not recommend anything

the KZ HDSE looked good but they are discontinued now

I also sweat like a lot and broke my last ones because of exactly that.

Are there any headphones that don't snap? Snapheisers and Beyers need not apply.

>>61541798
I shouldn't?
I heard they pair good with HD600s and the features would be friendly since I never had any audio display

>>61542021
AKGs.

What are the differences between the Etymotic models?

also, are Audio Technica's IEMs worth looking into?

>>61541948
>Not an issue with closed headphones and IEMs.
Incorrect. Even noise cancelling headphones can attenuate maybe 30dB at best.
>Is this a DAC feature or something added to the actual audio?
I'm not sure.
>You're saying even very well mastered songs have less dynamic range than 96 dB? If so, I don't see how this supports your argument.
It means that the noise floor of your music will always mask the noise floor of your DAC.

Here's an experiment. Turn up your analog volume control to your regular volume. Now play a YouTube video and mute the audio. Can you hear the noise floor? My bet is that you can't (or you need a better DAC amp). Gear with verified measurements is preferred, like the ODAC.

>>61541948
Not the same guy you are talking about but i'll try to clarify the matter:
Background noise in this case reffers to unwanted noise behind the actual desired sounds in the system or recording, not actual enviromental noise, that would be a matter of caoustic isolation, not pertaining to the digital realm.
Dither is a tool that adds signal near the less significant bit, it adds some randomness so to mask quantization errors, which keeps the difference you see in >>61540900 from being noticeable since even the lowest dynamics in music usually are far above the dither signal.
Songs with less dyanmic range than 96 dB (aka pretty much every song except for some classical masters) have their lowest notes far above the less significant bit, add dithe to that and the chance of hearing unwanted noise created by errors in quantization are even smaller.

>>61542046
what features? if you have modern realtek chip on your mobo and it's working correctly then I really doubt you will notice any difference between it and audiophool products like modi 2 uber

>>61541956
>Have you considered the ATH-M50X? I have the Fidelio X2, great headphones but no closed at all.

ATH-M50X are also an option at 150€.
A little over what I thought I'd be spending but not out of reach. Should I go for it?

For your question I'm no expert but like I said in my post I like the SoundMAGIC E10 and I saw them recommended here.

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>>61539856
>>61539919
>>61541449
Now, how much does it cost to fix snapped Beyers over snapped Snapheisers?

>>61542006
KZ ZS5 with new tips and KZ bluetooth cable.
>>61541956
ZS5+New tips (stock tips are hard compared to other KZ's)
VE Monk Plus with Expansion pack (comes with ear hooks and extra foam)
MEE M6 Pro if you like accessories (4 or 5 pairs of tips including Comply's, 2 cables and a little carry case)
Tennmak Pro
Soundmagic E10C/30/50/80

>>61542149
>beyers
Buy new headphone. Buy an HD600 this time.

>>61542133
I want an audiophool setuo, isn't it clear?

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>>61542021

>>61542143
>ATH-M50X are also an option at 150€.
No, they're not an option. They're highly overpriced at 150€.
They're just innaccurate, v-shaped AF headphones. The m40x are actually better.
150€ buys you something decent, such as HD579 or HD558.

>>61542175
then buy the most expensive one you can afford

>>61542196
>579/558
>Closed
>>61538128
Custom Studio?

>>61542171
Why would I pay for something that snaps so easily? Chink shit plastic, am I right anon?

>>61542143
Thanks I'll take a look at the E10.

I had a ATH-M50 for a few years before the Fidelio, it's basically the same thing as the M50X without the removable cable, they are great headphones, excellent build quality, they can get a bit uncomfortable from time to time, especially during summer because of the sweat, I have big ears it was sometimes a problem for me. That being said: the sound quality is great, they're monitor headphones, there are tons of reviews since they're quite popular (including on /g/), MKBHD talked quite a lot about them (and the non-X model) so check his Youtube channel for the review.

>>61542162
Noted, many thanks!

>>61542278
>it's basically the same thing as the M50X without the removable cable
Hell no.
See FR: http://graphs.headphone.com/index.php?graphID%5B0%5D=2941&graphID%5B1%5D=4313&graphID%5B2%5D=&graphID%5B3%5D=&scale=20&graphType=0&buttonSelection=Update+Graph
M50 is merely Vshaped. M50x is niggerbass.

>>61542236
That's retarded. I'm gonna buy the entry level which is HD600 + O2 or Magni/modi2

>>61542301
My bad, disregard my previous comment.

>>61542301
<50hz is not of too much significance. It just shows the m50x has better extension. If the m50x is niggerbass, the m50 is too. The rest of the FR is more or less within a couple dB.

>>61542196
Are they? They're 149$ on Amazon US.

>>61542263
Not an option. I'm limited to those I listed and the ATH-M50X which I missed at first.

>>61542263
>closed
>sennheiser
HD598Cs (niggerbass), HD380 Pro (neutral but bassy, not v-shaped nor niggerbass), HD280 Pro
>status audio
CB-1
>sony
mdr-7506, mdr-v6, mdr-cd900st

>>61542162
Thanks, I am just confused why they are selling for $18.99 on gear best and $32 on aliexpress

I think I am going to grab a KZ ZST along a spare too.

>>61542310
Consider HD600 + Fulla2. That would be the entry level.
A magni2 would be a possible later upgrade to that, keeping the Fulla2 as DAC. At this point, you're living in luxury, far above the riffraff.

>>61542346
>Are they?
Yeah, they are. m50x, a long time ago, was a decent headphone for the price, which gave it crazy popularity.
Then they increased the price considerably to capitalize on that. It has never again been good at the price.
>They're 149$ on Amazon US.
Awfully expensive for some extremely inaccurate niggerbass headphone.

>>61542387
I have bucks to spend and I listen to music at least 8hours a day

>>61542463
Chord dave

>>61542274
You can buy just the headband. It's still expensive however.

>>61542513
I didn't mean that kind of bucks. Few hundreds of buckets for entry level.

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HE-400i or K7XX?

>>61542559
Modi2u + Valhalla2 (looks very pretty, sounds fine probably)
NFB-11 (probably sounds fine, rave reviews, is meme)

>>61542463
Then by all means pull the plug. HD600+Fulla2, +magni2 if you want to go all the way right away.
Just don't get the modi, it makes no economical sense. It looks pretty under the magni2 but that's it. Sound-wise, it's identical to the fulla2. Practicality-wise, the fulla2 wins, unless you need the spdif inputs of a modi uber, or the multibit meme of the modi multibit.

>>61542368
$32 is around their usual retail price. GearBest is having a flash sale and thanks for saying they were up for $18.99. My Massdrop Red Monks have served me well but I think I'm going to grab the ZS5's.

What's the cheapest amp that will make these louder?

>>61542576
HD600

Hey guys I ordered a FiiO A3/E11K, was that a mistake? I am starting to think I should have just gotten a dragonfly black or even red because as far as I know, the FiiO is just an amp while the dragonfly is a dac/amp.

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>>61542106
pls respond

>>61542106
For Etys you want MK5 if you're a poorfag or ER-4SR if you can afford them. That's all you need to know. The other models are less accurate.

>>61543137
Dragonflies are shit for their price for either. The A3 is a fine portable amp.
>>61543194
>>61543165
To piggy back on what the other anon said, MK5 and ER4SR are just about perfect Diffuse Field Neutral. HF5 is darker. ER4XR has more bass than the SR and extends a bit further in bass.

>>61543249
>MK5 and ER4SR are just about perfect Diffuse Field Neutral.
They're diffuse field with slightly rolled off treble, because truly diffuse field neutral is too bright. ER-4B are perfect diffuse field neutral and most people find them too bright for music listening; they're really designed for binaural use.

>>61543249

So having them be dac/amp combo compared to just an amp does not provide any advantage? Just really new to all of this, i figured having it bundled with an aftermarket dac might give it some advantage

>>61543342
Is this for your phone, laptop or home PC? The A3's nice as a portable amp if all you need is power and the internal dac in your phone/DAP is pretty good.

>>61543521

Phone and laptop.

>>61543289
>too bright
Only if you don't care about accuracy.

I no longer consider /hpg/ credible so I will buy closed.

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>>61543872
>I no longer consider /hpg/ credible
That's fully understanda-
>so I will buy closed.
What did anon mean by this?

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>>61543790
Even the world's largest manufacturer and supplier of sound and vibration measurement equipment doesn't advocate listening to music with a perfectly flat frequency response. There is no universally agreed upon target curve for speakers or headphones and subjectivity will always be in play here.

>>61543917 new thread

>>61543903
>believing what the (((Big Sound))) tells you
lmao stay asleep

>>61543903
>doesn't advocate listening to music with a perfectly flat frequency response
At the listening point.

>>61543967
Music through speakers that are perfectly flat at the listening point sounds bright. Music through ER-4B sounds bright.

>>61530443
My HD555 are dying. Any suggestions ~100$?

>>61543690
Check out the FiiO Q1 or Q1 MK2 when it comes out. It's a portable DAC/amp combo
>>61544057
558, HM5, CB-1, Fidelio L2, SHP9500

>>61544057
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sennheiser-audiophile-over-the-ear-headphones-titan/1700513.p?skuId=1700513

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01L1IIF1K/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1500929655&sr=8-1&keywords=HD+579

>>61544157
>SHP9500
Aren't they discontinued?

>>61544194
They put out a pointless revision, SHP9500S.

>>61530463
same setup expect regular modi 2

>>61542576
don't buy AKG if you care about build at all. Their K7xx series all live up to the made-in-china part, and the actual K7XX moreso (right channel solder breaking or something). Buy the HD6XX instead, much better value at the same price.

K7XX was good like 3 years ago or whenever it came out, but the competition has already dropped down in prices to compete (i.e. the HD600/650 were both much more expensive back then, now they're like $200-$300).

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How does a 1.8m cable feel? I've only had experience with a 3m behemoth cable, and obviously not a good experience (kept getting stuck at the chair leg, but eh it's replaceable anyways).

I'm wondering if I should buy a shorter 1.3m one (designed for the IEM) with this. I looked at the review, and apparently the cables feel really nice, but I'm still worried about the length/weight.

I do plan to use these as portable cans (library, coach bus / train) if I can find a more practical case. Dunno if that's advisable, but heck I lugged around a dumb brick T5xx thinkpad before.