/hpg/ - Headphone General

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Are the HD 579's worth it over the HD 559's?

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>>60816553
This kills the snapcuck.

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>>60816668
>sennheiser

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What is the second best headphone manufacturer behind Sennheiser?

>>60816458
A lot of gullible audiophiles believe everything they read and it leads to them believing that even if your current source is loud enough, a more powerful amp will provide more (insert ambiguous audiophile buzzword here). These are the same idiots who believe that $100+ cables sound better than coat hangars: http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/speakers-when-is-good-enough-enough.2512/page-2#post-15412
If your current source is loud enough and not hissy you do not need an amp or dac.

>>60816800
Ok, well what's a better choice in the sub £200 range that
a) has decent build quality / removable cable
b) doesn't look like absolute shit?

>>60816889
There is none.

>>60816889
K702

>>60816800
What's your favorite headphone?

>>60816936
Requires expensive amp. The Sennheisers do not. Inferior sound to the Sennheisers anyways.

>>60816889
>decent build quality
>sennheiser

>>60816668
>/g/ is NOT your personal tech support team or personal consumer review site.
Do your own consumer research. These threads are filled with shills and trolls.

>>60815470
The ear can be examined by instruments, as much medical ethics allows. The mind is a different matter.
>mastering for bass
Studio set ups demonstrate significant variation in room characteristic, as demonstrated by Genelec [1][2].
You can listen to some room samples for yourself, courtesy of Gerhard Spikovski of IRT. Headphones are suggested.
>irt.de/IRT/publikationen/studios/assets/audio/dra.zip
>irt.de/IRT/publikationen/studios/assets/audio/bar.zip
>irt.de/IRT/publikationen/studios/assets/audio/moz.zip
>irt.de/IRT/publikationen/studios/assets/audio/jaz.zip
>irt.de/IRT/publikationen/studios/assets/audio/pop.zip

Low frequency response of the common closed-backed headphones tend to be highly variable. Open back moving-coil based headphones tend to be more permissive of leak and exhibit a more stable low frequency response [3][4]. Awareness of LF reproducibility seem more present with canalphones, especially of the balanced armature type[5][6].

About the target curve - Without a definite reference signal such as pink noise or swept sine/chirp, we might resort to using music produced in rooms with highly variable acoustics to judge the sound of headphone or loudspeakers. Olive suggested tone controls to account for track variations [7].

>[1] A.V. Mäkivirta and C. Anet, A Survey Study of Today’s Monitoring Conditions
Copy here:
https://www.genelec.com/documents/publications/SurveyofMonitoringConditions.pdf
>[2] A.V. Mäkivirta and C. Anet, A Survey Study Of In-Situ Stereo And Multi-Channel Monitoring Conditions
The more detailed AES version of the first paper.
>[3] T. Welti, Improved Measurement of Leakage Effects for Circum-aural and Supra-aural Headphones
>[4] C. Poldy, Headphone Fundamentals
>[5] S.E. Olive, et al., The Preferred Low Frequency Response of In-Ear Headphones
>[6] P.V. Brüel et al., Impedance of Real and Artificial Ears
>[7] S.E. Olive et al., Factors that Influence Listeners’ Preferred Bass and Treble Balance in Headphones

>>60816971
Provide scientifically rigorous proof that Sennheiser's headphones break more often than other manufacturers' headphones.

>>60816981
>/hpg/
>first line of OP is "Headphone purchase advice"
Really makes me think
This thread may be filled with shills but then so is every other forum and (((consumer review))) site.

>>60816991
>Olive suggested tone controls to account for track variations
I usually just EQ albums in an audio editor when I don't like their tonal balance. It's easier for me and more precise than regular tone knob adjustment.

>>60817004
Just be aware that it's often difficult to get purely honest advice in these threads because requests for recommendations often devolve into brand loyalty/disloyalty wars. Never use these threads as your sole source of information.

>>60817041
Yeah, I've done my own research, don't worry, I'm only posting here to get another opinion.
I know for certain the 579's are "better", just not quite sure if they're worth the extra price.
I still trust /g/ more than other forums because everyone here is much better at seeing though marketing BS and meme-tier features.
Thanks for the heads up anyway.

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>>60816950
>Inferior sound to the Sennheisers

>>60816937
LITERALLY anything but senncuck

Just came here to post that the HM5 pads are a world of difference for comfort on my M40x. I highly recommend them.

>>60817196
>group of people
its just one insanely autistic Belgian sennfag, no one here likes sennshit

>>60817208
>its just one insanely autistic shitposting antisennfag posting snapheiser all day every day
FTFY

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The actual compensation used by Innerfidelity. This presents certain problems with in-ears, but should be mostly okay for headphones.


>>60817013
>more precise
It should go without saying that there are more precise methods than high and low shelf filters. The suggestion is of a general one for the sake of ease of end user, as well as the near infinite variations of tonal color that can be embedded into a track.
I didn't figure out the statistical distribution of the subjective results other than the one with the equalized HD 800 (AES 8994). The commonly referenced Harman chart is significantly divergent from Tyll's mannequin.

Personally, I use track-based filters for things like flyback whine going into the track. Notch it out as needed, very high Q (>400). Doesn't contribute to timbre, just pisses me off. Best to get rid of it.

>>60817208
I like my HD600.

>>60817364
Of course you do. It's the best open full-sized headphone in its approximate price range and it's not even really close.

>>60817381
>Of course you do. It's the best open full-sized headphone
FTFY

>>60817128
So, what's your favorite headphone?

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Why did they discontinue this

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>>60813719
You should see the guides.
>plankton
Changstar in-joke, like the Changstar IRC room, forum titles, or [REDACTED].
It means detail.

Link:
http://www.changstar.com/www.changstar.com/Changstar%20Buying%20Guide%202015dfde.pdf?action=dlattach;topic=2562.0;attach=10302

>>60817419
Beats Pro

>>60817742
This guy is pretending to be me.
>implying I'm a filthy poorfag
It's actually Ultrasone Edition 10.

>>60817239
i literally hardly post here you homo

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>>60817659
Philips discontinues good headphones all the time. Be thankful - because when they do, you can get good shit for cheap... like pic related for $20

>>60817669
Who here has a yggdrasil?

>>60817659
I remember seeing a listen of the new revision of the X2 for around $350 but I guess it was taken down.

>>60818033
Listing* autopilot is great.

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>when you realize that even $2000 headphones can't match good $500 monitor speakers

why do you use headphones again?

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>>60813688
>>60813552
>if I chart my placebo buzzwords it's a scientific fact
is this what they were thinking?

>>60818359
>tfw only moral objections are stopping me from getting rich by scamming idiot audiophiles with buzzword-based advertising

>>60818383
I just wouldn't want to talk to them

>>60816457
>M40 has a 2.5 detachable, so make sure whatever mic you get accommodates that.

just want to make clear if the anon is still around, the m40x, like the 598, has a 2.5mm LOCKING mechanism male end that goes into the headphone. meaning you will need a cable/adapter specifically made for it or a cable with such a thin housing that you won't get blocked by the female end which is recessed. so all those 3.5mm mic addons like the boompro will not work without an adapter. same for a lapel mic, though you could just attach it to the stock cable, same goes for modmic.

>>60817102
>>60816668
aren't those just the 598se recolored? if so, and if the lower one is the rebrand of the 558, it's absolutely worth getting the better one, though I don't know how the foam mod on the 558 has been effected by the change, so if you can still do it and want to save money it might be worth getting the cheaper one.

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>>60816950
>Requires expensive amp
not really, as long as the amp on your device/PC is decent and you're not listening as deafening levels you'll be fine. it's a bit hungry but like most headphones that "need an amp", it doesn't. k612 actually needs an external amp.

>>60818529
Thanks anon.
The casing / padding is different to the 598se but maybe the internals are the same.
Either way I prefer the color of the 759's anyway.
I think I'll just go for the more expensive ones, I'd rather pay a bit extra for good sound out of the box than start messing about with mods right away and risk breaking something / probably voiding my warranty.
I know the risk probably isn't that high but still, it's a significant investment for me and I'd rather just go with the safe option.

>>60817659
>Why did they discontinue this
the fuck? this was their flagship. I guess they could be updating it but why discontinue it first with no word? they didn't axe the X1 until the X2 was already out iirc.

>>60818551
It'll need an amp for content mastered at a below average volume, like a lot of anime can be, for example.

>>60818611
I have not researched the matter but other than making useless closed versions that just sound like shit, sennheiser usually rebrands. if you can't afford an hd600 just figure out whatever the 598 is now, or get an AKG.

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>>60818630
just go over 100% volume in software

but seriously, I've had amps on devices sound bad and/or fucked in some way but never not loud enough, and I have tested on my hd600, q701, and mad dogs which are my hungriest headphones. the one exception being maybe my PSP on a super quiet album wasn't loud enough. maybe I just have sensitive ears and everyone else likes it louder and I just never realized :/

>>60818613
They're definitely updating it. I think they showed off the new revision at CES and i've seen the listing for it on Amazon but I guess it was taken down.

>>60818642
Thanks for the reply, the HD 598 is now the HD 599.
From what I've researched it seems to be the unanimous opinion that the 579 actually sounds better though and most people recommend you just go for the lower model instead.
Plus I almost wouldn't buy the 599 based on it's colour alone.

>>60818664
>just go over 100% volume in software
The problem with this is you don't know if you're clipping during sudden volume spikes when you do this. That's why an amp is preferable.

>>60818664

>just go over 100% volume in software
Isn't VLC the only media player that does this?
>watching anime with VLC

>maybe I just have sensitive ears and everyone else likes it louder and I just never realized :/
I think most normal people, at the very least, like to listen to music very loud for short periods of time.

>>60818756
>Isn't VLC the only media player that does this?
No. The best player out there (mpv) also has this feature.

>>60818765
>The best player out there
NGU AA is a better upscaling algorithm than anything mpv can use. mpv is deprecated until it can use NGU AA.

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>>60818779
>mpvfags will never experience K-ON!! looking this great

>>60818678
It's weird, looking at some measurements they seems nearly identical, with the 579 being slightly more even but within margin of error. probably something in the cups or wiring that changed? it seems like it's literally just a 598 without the volvo interior color scheme and for less money.

>>60818779
>>60818789
I'd rather not clutter up /hpg/ debating with MPCtards, so please take this elsewhere.

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>>60818779
>NGU AA is a better upscaling algorithm
which player has this and how intensive is it? I already can't use the high settings in madvr cause of crw2dou + hd4650.

>>60818808
NGU AA = latest version of MadVR
There's almost no visible difference between NGU AA medium and NGU AA very high and NGU AA medium is very fast. If you can't run NGU AA medium you're better off with mpv. mpv is faster than MadVR with equivalent settings, so it's better for toasters.

Need help from someone who has a Schiit DAC. I notice that in all their models, they have both USB input and a optical input. Is there a way to choose specifically which input you want to send to your amp? Or does it automatically choose the input that's currently on?

I'm asking because I want to connect both my PC and console to one DAC and don't want to switch cables all the time.

>>60818830
kk. I'll probably be upping my HTPC specs soon anyways, it's just an old desktop that happened to be laying around. think a 2500k and a 7870ghz would be enough? that's my main atm which will become my HTPC when I go ryzen.

>>60818844
99% sure it's auto, but as long as you power down/sleep one or the other while you're using it, it will select the one sending the signal, so you could sleep/shut down your PC while you play on console and keep them both plugged in.

>>60818849
For reference, I don't drop frames upscaling 720p to 1080p with NGU AA medium on an FX-6300 + R9 270x machine.

>>60818877
isn't the crazy scaling usually GPU bound? so the higher single threaded of the 2500k wouldn't help? either way I think I'll be fine. 270x isn't drastically more powerful than a 7870ghz iirc. and it can't use 2 cards right? I have crossfire.

>Budget
Wouldn't like to spend over 225.
>Location
US.
>Source
Phone/Handheld consoles.
>Type of headphone
IEM.
>Comfort level
Would like them to be bearable to wear for about 6 hour intervals. Doesn't have to be super comfortable, but don't want them to hurt my ears.
>Sound signature
Idk, I'll play rhythm games mostly, and sometimes talk on discord if that helps.
>Past headphones
Last pair of earbuds I had was when I was like 14. They were Sennheiser CX 1.00. Usually I only ever had cheaper earbuds and they always hurt my ears. This pair didn't.

>>60818906
>I'll play rhythm games mostly, and sometimes talk on discord if that helps.
Panasonic HJE120. They're extremely comfortable and there is absolutely zero reason to spend $225 on earphones for rhythm games and discord.

>>60819044
>>60818906
Ety, if you're ok with neutral and deep insertion, but like >>60819044 said, the HJE-120 is the best cheap general use IEM and it's arguably the most comfortable that exists.

>>60818876
Alright thanks. I'm kinda hoping I can keep my PC on without having to put it to sleep. I'd be surprised if the DACs aren't smart enough to only pick the input that has a currently active signal. I guess I'll just get one of the DACs for 15 days and try it out.

>>60819092
if all you need is an extra dac you can get a standalone sabre

https://hifimediy.com/DACs/ready-made-dacs/SPDIF-9018-DAC

if you only need USB it's like $25 for the mini and android ones. last I checked they were all transparent as dacs.

>>60819128
>the mini is only $29 now
Mini + Magni 2 isn't a terrible idea at $128.

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thought these were a meme, but fuck, they are actually immensely great

>>60818844
I have a modi 2U, it has a button on the front to switch inputs, and an LED to show which input is selected. I don't think there's any autoswitching at all.

>>60816553
guys i fucked up. I tripped over my headphone cord and my headset knocked my cup of water over which fell on the velour pads of my K7XX... I have been squishing the pad with paper towels to absord the water but the inner ear mesh is kind of damp. AM I FUCKED!? I am incredibly sad damnit. What should I do guys.

>>60819780
Put salt on it. Salt is very hydrophilic and will dry them up in no time.

For even faster drying, put the headphones in the microwave to heat the salt.

>>60819780
If the driver isn't fucked it should be fine. Maybe take off the pad and wait for it to dry if it worries you.

>>60819818
Would I notice if the drivers are damaged? Would a drop or two of water damage it or will i surely notice that it is damaged.

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>>60819452
not saying msr7 is bad but I got these for $40 and they sound damn good, comfortable too and came with a hard case and 2 cables. they also fold.
prices are lower on both now.

>>60819854
you'll notice, though it will probably be fine. the driver diaphragm itself protects the electronics unless you spilled on the open back end. all you can do is let it dry and see. if you don't think anything got into the electronics you should be fine, unless the water caused some padding or glued on part to come loose, which should be repairable.

>>60820294
though I must say the driver material matters. 99% of drivers are made of plastic compounds that resist water naturally. if you had headphones with bio-cellulose drivers or some other exotic but absorbent material that could fuck them up. or if they were planars or electrostats.

>>60820318
So far they are ok, but they are AKG K7XX's so i think they are entirely plastic.

>>60820386
yeah. I would take the pads off, dry them. pat down the insides of the cups with paper towel and anywhere else easily reachable where water might have gotten. wait at at least a few hours before putting juice through them again. if nothing rattles or sounds off you're fine. do left/right comparisons, you can use the windows generic sounds settings in the control panel for this.

>>60817917
Never seen one here. I doubt anyone has it.

>>60820419
Thanks man

>>60819780
Your only worry is corrosion. Make sure the voice coil and wiring are void of any water or moisture. Dry them well and quickly.

>>60817917
I do, don't come around these threads often though. Changstar/SBAF is a still a joke.

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>>60818844
>I notice that in all their models, they have both USB input and a optical input.
Not all models. Fulla2 only has usb and analog line-in. Modi2 non-uber only has usb.
> Is there a way to choose specifically which input you want to send to your amp?
Yes, on the modi2uber, that round thing in the front is actually a button, used to switch inputs. Bitfrost/etc have physical controls to select inputs, too.
>I'm asking because I want to connect both my PC and console to one DAC and don't want to switch cables all the time.
I'm doing this with 2 computers and 1 ps3. Computers use usb and coax respectively. Console uses optical.

>>60818359
>using a transformer box for an SR-009 and HE-90

May as well use a real amp if you're going to be using those 'phones.

>>60820782
I'm interested to hear why did you choose Yggdrasil?

>>60820876
Wanted to try out an R2R DAC, the whole "keeps the original samples" shtick interested me as well. If I were choosing a DAC right now I'd take a look at this too:

http://www.soekris.dk/dac1541.html

>>60817147
How do you like M40x, are they good for a mix of rock/metal and EDM?

>>60819780
Invest in a headphone stand and do some proper cable management so it doesn't happen again. Don't leave your fucking cables hanging off of your desk or laying on the floor

>>60818487
Yes still here and thanks. I want an in line mic for on the go, already found suitable cables for 10-20€.
But i think i go with the MSR7. After all M40x need pads and cable which reduces the price difference to 30€.

>>60818107
1) Good headphones deliver a great amount of details and nuancies at a relatively lower volume than speakers need in order to reach the same result
2) speakers sound shit in an untreated room or with an improper placement
3) unless you're willing to spend way above the required amount of money for a good headphone, speakers can't reach low frequencies very well.

>>60821812
>1)
True. Also most 200ish headphones already provide excellent imaging etc. while speakers in that range will strugle.
>2)
Not entirely true. Depends on speakers. My Edifier R1700BT don't care about positioning.
>3)
True. My speakers basically have no sub-bass, at all. My DT770 have excellent one.
Speakerfags BTFO?

>>60816950
I have both a K702 and a HD600. I'm driving them on a Fiio E10K. K702 doesn't need more power than HD600.

>>60821862
Which model of DT770 do you have?

>>60821909
250 Ohm

>>60821862
Speakerfags also use subs, which can go much lower and louder than headphones. However, there's also nothing preventing headphone users from using a sub as well.

>>60821973
Studio, Monitor or Pro?

>>60821992
Pro, imho there is no reason to buy something else.

>>60822003
I don't know, I just heard people here say that Pro version is less comfortable

>>60822022
It has some clamp but unless your head is a watermelon you're fine.

>>60821525
I am enjoying them. I use them for games, as well as listening to a fairly wide mix of metal, ambient / meditation, and some electronic.

Especially with the HM5 pads they are definitely not as warm sounding as some other headphones I have had (HD555, Q460). I am not overly picky about sound signature because (1) a lot of the preference just comes down to what you are accustomed to listening to at any given time, and (2) I can run an equalizer on my PC to adjust it if I really feel it is necessary. Having said that, my favorite headphone sound as-is is definitely the Q701/K702 which is also more on the neutral to bright side.

I bought the M40x as a replacement for my Q701 that were falling apart after some years because I wanted a closed-back headphone this time.

DESU if your goal is the best out-of-the-box sound you can get, I personally would not recommend the M40x. I don't feel like the stock sound is as enjoyable as other headphones I have used from AKG or Sennheiser. However, it's still a solid headphone and it is really quite comfortable with the HM5 pads, and if you have the option to EQ then the sound can be just as good as any of the other offerings out there.

>>60819452
Whyd you think they were a meme?
They're pretty well reviewed.

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>>60820782
Why that over Modi multibit?

>>60822042
The pro clamp is pretty light in my opinion. Anything less would easily fall off.

>>60821862
>Depends on speakers. My Edifier R1700BT don't care about positioning.
Objectively false. This is like saying you can point your speakers at the wall and they will still sound the same when you are standing behind them.

This has nothing to do with how the speakers are designed, and everything to do with the fact that physical objects reflect sound waves which will compound/cancel with other sound waves coming from the speakers and create undesired spikes and nodes in the sound.

Not that you need a perfectly designed and treated room to get good or even great results, but if you have particularly shitty setup options then it becomes extremely obvious and sometimes impossible to resolve properly. The last apartment I lived in caused all sounds around 250hz to echo and compound badly, creating extremely loud booms at only that frequency.

>>60822739
The yggy is the better unit. That and the rest of my audio chain is pure overkill, so why not.

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>>60822971
So, multibit worth it y/n?

>>60822851
>he points his speakers directly against a wall
Stop being an autist. Those speakers don't care where they are positioned, which is great. Of course, if you want to glue them to a wall they will sound differently.

>>60822983
Listen to one yourself if you at all can. I've no first hand experience with the cheaper schiit R2R DACs. That aside it sounds fantastic. The soekris I linked earlier is worth checking out too.

>muh subjective opinions

>>60823059
>Listen to one yourself if you at all can
I wouldn't be asking if I knew somebody with a multibit IRL :)
I'm interested on it vs a standard delta-sigma (like the fulla2 or modi2).

>>60823113
Don't have any local dealers you could visit?

http://schiit.com/faq/dealers

>>60823168
Unfortunately, no.
Closest I have is UK, but I'm in Dublin so no.

are hd600 and Schiit Audio Fulla 2 a good combo for a beginner? or should I get the hd650?

>>60823190
Good combo, yes.
>HD650
Some reviewers do prefer it. Most reviewers do, however, prefer HD600.
HD600 is a much saner option.

>>60823190
the HD600 are $300AUD and the HD650 are $350AUD
>>60823224
will take that into consideration.

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>>60823190
I went with HD600, as the HD650 seems to be a less neutral version for the riffraff who like their coloring.
I like my HD600 so much I'm confident I did the right thing.

I have a pair of Sennheiser HD 598. They're great, but I'm looking for a better pair. I'd prefer a pair of wireless, but I can stick with wired if it means quality headphones at a good price.

I've been mulling over a pair of Audio-Technica, or Bowers & WIlkins, but I'd really appreciate your input!

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>>60823492
>I have a pair of Sennheiser HD 598. They're great, but I'm looking for a better pair.
k
>wireless
lol
>wired if quality.
Yeah. I'll describe for you my first minute or so of HD600, after upgrading from HD598.
0s much anticipation
5s this sounds odd vs what I'm used to, but I'll just listen intently for now, I guess I'll have to get used to it
15s Wow
20s WOW
1m so fucking good *crying*
There's my suggestion.

HD800S is $1100 off right now

Should I get them? Upgrading from HD650

>>60824006
>$1100 off right now

So it's $600? Sure why not. Buy two and sell one of them at $1200.

>>60824051
AUD.

They're down frem $2600

>>60824075
>$2600

Fuck me dead m8.

>>60823190
Wouldn't call that a beginner setup, might be all you ever need.
Combine that setup with a nice pair of closed (DT770 for a different sound - v shaped, excellent bass), some decent iem's for portable use, and you'll be set.

Can someone else snap-post for a bit? The retarded sennheiser fanboys seem to be showing in full force, and I'm not home so I don't have access to my snap pics.

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>>60824440
Come on pajeet, we've already explained that it has to be YOU doing the shilling, you can't just get someone else to do it for you.

>>60824482
>chinkshit plastic brand calling others pajeet
kek

HD600 vs HD650 for gaming and 80s jpop mostly and indie shit.

>>60824707
Just buy cheaper low distortion headphones and EQ them.

>>60824707
>>60823240
>>60823224
You could at least try to read the thread anon, don't even have to go far.

>>60824707
>jpop
HD600 100%. Like, don't even bother considering HD650, its mid range isn't as clear.

>>60824897
Can be fixed with EQ. 650 looks better and is the same price so I don't see any reason not to go with it.

>>60824935
>Can be fixed with EQ.
To some extent, sure. But it means itt won't simply sound good plugged to everything. You'll need the EQ.
>looks better
That's, like, your opinion. As an HD600 owner, I can tell you the actual item looks way better than the pictures.
>Is the same price.
It's not. HD650 is more expensive.

>>60824965
>To some extent, sure. But it means itt won't simply sound good plugged to everything. You'll need the EQ.
Yes, you do need EQ to be running to benefit from it.
>That's, like, your opinion. As an HD600 owner, I can tell you the actual item looks way better than the pictures.
I own HD600s and this is also true, but HD650s still look better as agreed upon by most people.
>It's not. HD650 is more expensive.
The prices fluctuate. Sometimes the 600 is more expensive.

>>60823190
A fantastic combo in general. Not just for a beginner. That's my setup right now and I've been buying good headphones and amps for years.

>>60824707
600. I don't like jap shit but even their music sounds amazing in my 600's.

>>60823235
>>60823240

The differences between them are massively exaggerated. I have HD650s because I got them for an insanely good price years ago. I've heard both though and they are so similar as to make very little difference. You'll be happy with either one. Both some of the best headphones ever made. They do nothing wrong which is a very hard trait to find even in megabuck headphones.

>>60825336
The HD650 are good dark&bassy headphones, whereas the HD600 are a neutral legend all-rounder that doesn't need EQ.

>>60824707
It comes down to your own preference, not to the genre you like. They are extremely close to each other sound wise. HD 650 is slightly darker and warmer. Both have very similar coloration.

>>60825355
They're warm-sounding for sure, but they're hardly "bassy" considering how their sub-bass is somewhat recessed and not very present at all.

>>60825408
They were literally created for "millennials who want to feel the music".
It's a tweak on the HD600 away from neutrality.

How big of a jump is it from HD600 to HD800?

>HD600
>HD600
>HD600
Can any of you make your own opinions? This is the most regurgitated parroting bullshit general in all of /g/. Anyone who browses this general and "thinks" they know headphones is a literal retard. It wasn't good a year ago, but fuck if this whole thread isn't one big shilling joke for Senn and Schitt.

>>60825673
Sorry we're not discussing $6000 DACs and amps and other various snake oil. You might want to try reddit and HiFi forums. I think they're more up your alley.

>>60825433
What are you even trying to say? They sound warm but they're hardly bassy. As I've said sub-bass is definitely present but also clearly recessed, I don't think "bassy" describes their sound signature well at all. Calling them warm or even dark does though.

>>60825770
The term your looking for is "bloated mid/upper bass", a term which also applies to the HD600, albeit a bit less.

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Anyone have an opinion on the Massdrop Fostex T-XO? Not sure why I'd spend $150 on modded T50 mkII when I can get unmodded T50 mkIII for that or cheaper.

>>60826084
Because they're MK2's which somehow after being discontinued have gone scarce or my dumb ass hasn't found a used pair on ebay and such

Can you recommend an audio file with 7.1 channels to run tests?

>>60825673
Blame that spanish idol trash weeaboo. The most passionate and zealous you'll see around here, Head-Fi, or anywhere else.

>>60825433
In 2003 no one would have even considered spending 500 dollars on a headphone if they weren't either already an audio enthusiast or working in an audio related field. There was no "millennial" appeal.

I have been using and enjoying a ATH M50 for a while now. I was wondering if getting open back headphones is with it to experience the difference and listen to music at home. Will it make stuff like acoustic guitars feel more real or does it not provide a big difference over the "in your head" experience?

>>60826355
>acoustic guitars
Just get some HD600. It can handle strings, while most headphones just cannot.

>>60826455
Only if you're shit at EQ. Status OB-1 has objectively lower sound sig and can be EQ'd to basically match the HD600 FR. Plus it's a third of the price, and looks cooler to boot.

>>60826455
Seconding. Damn, I love recommending HD600s. Not only am I helping consumers out by recommending them the finest open headphones in their price range, I'm pissing off a shitposting autist at the same time!

>>60826511
*lower distortion and sound sig can be...
Don't know how I fucked that up.

How to tell whether my headphones are good or shit with guitars? I'm listening to this right now:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/yoximzhgynds57m/Acoustic+Guitar+-+sound+test.flac

But I'm not sure what to focus on, I do hear some kind of "fap" sound though, is that it?

on the higher pitched notes to be precise.

>>60826655
Does it sound good? No need to worry about all the crap shills post around here - if it sounds good to you, then it's good.

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Give me 1 (ONE) reason why I shouldn't pull the trigger

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>>60826730
Chances are you'd be as happy if not happier with a modi multibit + magni2 uber.

>>60826694
I never listen to guitars but the few times I do, I want to make sure what I hear is the real thing.
It sounds normal, I mean stereo works fine, nothing unusual, the audio quality feels "high" at least, just my uninformed opinion though, my earing isn't in the top also (13-14k per ear at best).

>>60826730
Absolute snake oil. You legit just need a Schiit Stack and you'd be set for life.

>>60826730
>$2,299 for a DAC that won't sound audibly more transparent than a $29 Sabre Mini

>>60826774
Stop posting this generic meme girl from a shitty anime.

Just got my Fulla 2. Can't hear a difference between it and onboard audio. Did I get memed?

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>>60826816
That's, like, your opinion. Why so much hate?

>>60826355
>>60826511
Open will be better, most headphones are better than m50 though.
This anon might be a bit overzealous win his Status rec, but I do love my CB-1.
Any of the generic open recommendations will be a likely upgrade to the m50: SHP9500, hd558, 668b if you like bright. Look into HD598 or Akg 612 if you don't mind getting an amp.

>>60826831
Was your onboard audio somehow flawed to begin with?
Either way, you just got it, you'll probably need to use it for a while to find differences if any. At least the knob is nice, and you can plug it to other motherboards and laptops which audio setup might not be as fortunate.

Anyone have subwoofer suggestions? Got a pair of LSR305s coming, but I'd like to add some subbass.

>>60826831
The more knowledgeable amongst /hpg/ always stress that if your current source is loud enough and not hissy that you don't need an amp or DAC. You should have paid attention.

>>60826856
>Fulla
>knob is nice

That ugly piece of shit is the worst thing about the dac/amp

>>60826355
If you're also willing to go neutral, HD600 is the go-to for neutral open, but if for whatever reason you don't want to spend that much or get 2nd hand, HD599 and HD579 are decent options.

>>60826882
It's a DAC, not a fashion accessory.
>>>/hm/
>>>/y/

>>60826856
I'm using different songs and formats to try to find differences. The acoustic guitar at the beginning of Peace Train is a lot more pronounced now, that's for sure.

>>60826880
I spoke to a few people who vouched for a change in frequency response when using an amp. Maybe I got rused, I couldn't tell you.

Still, at least I'll have this around when I save up enough autismbux to get hd600s.

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>>60826835
It's not an opinion. It's a fact. Battle harem garbage is always 100% trash.

>>60826831
No, you probably didn't need it to begin with since your board has fine audio apparently.

Might as well hang onto it for the connectivity options and the handy volume knob, and you'll have it if you ever get harder to drive headphones.

>>60826895
>wanting your electronics to look aesthetic means you're gay

Do you want to know how I know you're a fat neckbeard?

>>60826831
Yeah. Least you got the knob to play with now. It's like a $100 fidget spinner.

>>60826896
>I spoke to a few people who vouched for a change in frequency response when using an amp.
They were parroting buzzwords they didn't fully understand like retards. You got rused. You need to be far more cynical in the audio world. There's a lot of snake oil merchants in the audio world.

>>60826831
Don't forget it's also a preamp. I use mine to drive my active speakers.

>>60826896
Counterintuitive, but the lower the volume, the better you'll notice the little details and such in songs, including differences between sources.

>>60826939
Are you speaking from personal experience or does this have some research behind it? Genuinely curious.

>>60826896
Your nifty new analog volume knob is more useful than you probably think. Digital volume control (meaning software volume control) lowers signal to noise ratio as you turn it down. Analog volume control does not. So, you've got yourself a nice upgrade there.

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>>60826898
>Battle harem garbage is always 100% trash.
Fantasy ecchi is fine as guilty pleasure. I know what it is (trash), and I still watch it and enjoy it regardless.
So shameless of me :)

>>60826898
>Battle harem garbage is always 100% trash.
Except Phantom World, which was 99% trash and 1% typically excellent KyoAni animation.

>>60825673
There's two problems here, first there is an anime shitposting shill who blindly recommends the HD600 to every request.

The second problem is that the HD600 is so good on objective metrics, it's hard to not recommend it to buyers, it's obvious that it's better than its competitors such as DT880 and K701, but that does not mean that the person that is considering to buy some headphones will prefer the HD600. Some will prefer more treble, others will prefer more bass, a few might find the HD600 too shrill for their tastes and so on.

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>>60823492
Wireless headphones in general will not sound as good unless bluetooth tech improves; bluetooth will compress the sound.

As for what to buy, what do you want? Open or closed? Need amp or no amp? In-ear? Answer these questions and then you'll get more help.

>>60827018
>replying to yourself

>>60827018
>it's obvious that it's better than its competitors such as DT880 and K701

That's funny because just 2-3 years ago, this place was shilling the DT880 to anybody who wanted a good open headphone.

>>60826960
Personal experience, although there's likely research on this if I dug enough.
The way I go about volume is that I set it very low (8 o'clock @ fulla2) and after an hour or so I increase it a little to enjoyable territory (9 o'clock @ fulla2) and leave it there.
YMMV, depends on ears and headphones.
Listening to music at a higher volume even if just for a while will leave me deafened, and my hearing becomes so much worse for a time after that.
Even ignoring my experience, from a health perspective, and this is well understood and documented, you shouldn't use higher volume than needed, as high volume will damage your ears over time.

>>60827043
What headphones? Do you use EQ?

>>60827035
Wireless headphones will only be acceptable to audiophiles once they're lossless. Stacking a lossy bluetooth codec with an already lossy audio source is boo boo.

>>60827036
No.
>>60827039
I assume that's because the HD600's price was more strictly enforced by Sennheiser at the time. The hivemind seemed to prefer DT880 and K701 at the time, and blamed the HD600 as being veiled and built like shit. I actually bought my HD600 refurbed from a shady site for around $200 a few years ago because I refused to pay $400 for one. I also have the DT880 and K701.

>>60827060
HD380 Pro, no EQ, fulla2 on a Linux laptop, foobar2000 on wine. It's my setup at work.

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How much did I fuck up by buying one of these?

I bought it strictly for the wireless convenience, I already have good open over ear headphones for my PC.

>>60827087
kek

>>60827087
Depends on how much you paid for it, and the actual measurements.

>>60827035
don't wireless headphones lose quality as you listed to them? I used two different sony wireless headphones before, unless you point your head perfectly to the wireless transmitter, you can always hear some hissing in background and when the battery starts to drop too, it's annoying.

>>60827077
Ah, that explains it. 9 o'clock on the fulla 2 is decent volume (around my regular listening volume) for easier to drive headphones. When you tack on a -18db for EQ, and HD600s, I find attaining that same volume requires 2-3oclock.

>>60827130
Depends on tech. You describe sth very analog.

>>60827087
If it's for the PS4, I don't see why not. It's not like the sounds are great anyway. That said, you could've plugged some Porta Pros into the controller for the same effect.

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>>60827087
How bad can they be? They have a gold trophy on them.

>>60827157
I guess they were analog, it was many years ago when I used them. I decided to never buy a wireless ever again because of that.
I got some USB gayman headphones as present a couple years ago (7.1ch), they aren't half bad though, just the rear surround sucks so it's more like 5.1 than 7.1.

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>>60827130
Pretty much. The bluetooth transmission from source to headset compresses the audio for quick transition. So a compressed source plus compressed through bluetooth makes it sound extra bleh. But if you use a lossless source it wont sound as bad. However, I personally would only get bluetooth headphones if I wanted them for using with my phone, but I dont have lossless (or even 320kbps) audio on my phone, as I wouldn't have enough space for all of the music that I want. So for me there is literally no reason for me to get bt headphones.

Also they probably sound worse as they run out of battery because the battery is powering the drivers. I'm not sure about this tho, never had headphones with batteries

>>60827256
Aptx is transparent. Considering that many phones max out at 384GB and a few can even do 512GB, I don't think a FLAC collection is entirely out of question. The type of person who blows hundreds of dollars on headphones can probably afford to get a 128/256GB phone + 256GB SD card. Wireless audio is doable for audiophiles, but as with many things, it may be expensive.

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What audio renderer to use in MPC-HC? I can't tell the difference between system default and my headphones' renderer, they probably are the system default.

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Full collection pics?
>Pic related
My schiit stack is to the other side of my computer.

Thoughts on the gear anons?

>inb4 snapheiser memes

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>>60827368
True, if you want to spend the money its absolutely not out of the question. I personally only have 32gb on-board plus a 32gb SD card, and the SD card has all my music on it. If I want to listen to my music in better quality, I do it on my computer. So it is possible, just more expensive.

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>>60827383
They're the same thing.
>>60827256
>he has a tiny shrugging Tooru

>>60827368
atrac3 is transparent
mp3 is transparent
>Aptx is transparent.
When will people learn

>>60827456
rather than getting bigger card, does your phone support other devices? like with a otg cable for example, you could connect an external hard drive, or an ssd in a usb box, something like that, you most likely need to install some driver though, I never tried, maybe check some youtube guides.

Quick, I have to leave in 20 minutes to buy whatever I buy.

Sennheiser 280 vs MH40X vs Sony's MDR7506's?
Which one has the best bass but also clarity for pop music (Such as Queen, The Beatles, and Japanese songs)?

>>60827497
7506

>>60827497
Just to add in, I'm leaning towards the MH40X because of the replaceable cables. I've had two JVC HARX700's fail on me twice because of the cable plug, and now I have to buy a soldering kit to repair them (Not only that, I had to buy ultra glue to fix the broken plastic).

>>60827497
Do yourself a favor and just get some sony mdr-6. Not much price difference, much better than all the options you listed.

>>60827497
neither.

>>60827492
http://www.brentbutterworth.com/bluetooth-blind-test.html

Try it for yourself.

>>60827590
Pointless.
I'd rather serious ABX tests involving a large amount of samples and people, like those in hydrogenaudio.org.
Any claims of transparency by promoters of lossy codecs that haven't been through the grind should be simply laughed at.

192 kbps mp3 is transparent. That being said, say you have a hypothetical wireless headphone that uses 192 kbps mp3 as its transmission method. If you listen to a 192 kbps mp3 file with these headphones it is not going to be transparent because of stacking lossy codecs.

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>>60827493
I have a Galaxy s6, most android phones are able to do shit like that, connecting an OTG to the mUSB and the like. Haven't tried tho, so not sure. good idea tho.

Apple tech is definitely less likely, considering that most iphones are optimized for their other apple software and not 3rd party stuff.

>>60827478

thanks for the bigger shrugging tohru

>>60827612
Why does it matter if hundreds of people can hear the difference, if you can't? And vice versa? Everyone's ears are different.
>>60827623
Correct, which is why in order to have viable bluetooth audio, your source has to be lossless. Which gets expensive in terms of storage space, as I referenced in my post above.

>>60827642
>Why does it matter if hundreds of people can hear the difference, if you can't?
I am not somebody making empty claims of codec transparency.

>>60827659
Okay, I retract the claim that it's transparent for everyone. It's transparent for me, and a lot of other people. Until you've done the blind test, it is unknown if it is transparent for your specific set of ears. Happy now, autist?

>>60827642 >>60827623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YmfqFfJa3g

>>60827388
what is your favorite?

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>>60827686
>winamp

>>60827497
>>60827517
M40X, but it's not going to be the cable you'll need to replace.

>>60827730
I didn't record that. Winamp is a funny choice. Look at his EQ, too.

>>60822851
> This has nothing to do with how the speakers are designed
C'mon man, you saying that there is front bass port makes no difference? He will still most likely get reflections without using stand, but it can be remedied with DSP correction and at least some table stand.

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>>60827895
Oh wow didn't notice dat clipping EQ.

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Australia boys:

https://addictedtoaudio.com.au/collections/easter-stock-clearance/products/sennheiser-hd600-audiophile-reference-hifi-stereo-headphones

https://addictedtoaudio.com.au/collections/easter-stock-clearance/products/sennheiser-hd650-hifi-stereo

>>60827897
Front bass port helps when you want to push speakers back into a wall, but it does nothing to address all of the other potential issues with placement.

>>60827727
Hard to say. The 650's and the Q701's sound quite similar, but right now I've been using the Q701's more just cuz they are newer.

As for IEM's, It's also a close race between the iSine 10's and the w40's. The w40's seem to be very precise, whereas the iSines are more prone to a less precise feeling. They aren't muddy, but they aren't as clear as the w40's. Even so, the iSine soundstage blows the w40 out of the water. So they both have their ups and downs. The iSines are more fun outside, because you can hear everything around you and to me it feels like i'm in a movie or something. It also allows me to talk with people without taking out the iem's, which is nice. However they don't block out any noise, so if I'm traveling or don't want to hear anything, the w40's are the way to go.

The 598s and the se315 are the clear losers in both categories. They're not bad, just general cheaper and older gear.

>>60826896
Don't worry about it. You will hear the difference when you compare them with your 600's. It's a small difference but you will appreciate it in the long run. Don't worry about the fags who think decent on board sounds exactly the same as a good amp+dac. It doesn't.

>>60828280
Explain the technical/scientific process behind an amp+dac sounding better than a measurably accurate onboard sound without using ambiguous buzzwords.

>>60826831
>Can't hear a difference between it and onboard audio. Did I get memed?
Did you? Nobody can tell you whether there is a difference in quality without proper measured specs provided on _both_ devices. We can only take an educated guess on that. Audible difference is another matter entirely and something we can't tell you. It's more complex, subjective and can't be known in sighted listening anyway.

In this case it's unlikely there ever was. Your onboard was completely sufficient for the headphones. It wasn't overloaded, it provided enough volume and there were no other obvious problems with it. If that's what the amp was for, perhaps you got "memed".

>>60826896
>The acoustic guitar at the beginning of Peace Train is a lot more pronounced now, that's for sure.
This is the sort of stuff you simply can't know when you try to listen to your gear. Your "test" is not going to tell you what is or isn't the amp, what is something else or what is your imagination. Your description is extremely vague and amps don't behave like that.

>>60826939
You don't even know what the volume level is right now. Too loud or too quiet are both detrimental to hearing in detail. Keep it above 70 dB, preferably close to 80 dB. It's loud but far from painful. That's a range where our hearing is most linear, the "music range".

>>60827623
>192 kbps mp3 is transparent.
For some people, with some songs, on some encoders...

>>60828197
Yep and even with rear ports, you only need them to be the port's diameter off the wall.

>>60828280
What a way to teach people. First you make blanket statements without describing anything in detail and then you ridicule people who(obviously will) disagree.

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>get a chance to try this shit out
>sounds better than just about every headphone I've tried

Maybe IEMs were the answer all along.

>>60828280
It's always funny when I see people here mention how their HD600 sounds better at low volumes

>>60828620
They likely sound as good, but ears will prefer the lower volumes. Mine sure do.

>>60828559
I didn't ridicule anyone. Fags is a standard term here. Maybe you're just new.

>>60828620
Exactly, most on board and cheaper amps sound like shit if/when you need to crank them up.

need recs for <200
for a musician that makes guitar/bass/drums rock
should be comfortable and good quality
but also still representative of what most people will be using since I don't want to mix to some specialty headphones

>>60829559
>audio work
Neutral. Neutral is what you want. Nothing else than neutral.
>200€ limit
This limits your possibilities a lot. I'm assuming 2nd hand is an option. Look into:
HD600, HD579, HD599, k702, HD598se, mdr-v6.

>>60829620
neutral in what context; what does that mean.

wiki is 504'ing atm

>>60829620
Of these options, K702 will need an amp for most users. The others will not.

>>60829642
For the purposes of this conversation neutral means a balanced mix of bass, mids and treble. This discussion can get a lot more technical but this is all you need to know right now.

>>60829642
Signature, or shape of frequency response. There's some fighting over definitions, but generally here we call more neutral that which is closer to the so-called harman target.
Most headphones deviate one way or another. Say, headphones that boost or diminish bass, mid-range or treble. We call it coloring.

>>60829695
>generally here we call more neutral that which is closer to the so-called harman target.
Speak for yourself, love. Harman target = niggabass. ER4S = neutral.

What is the logical upgrade from DT880? Is there an upgrade?

>>60829729
HD600

>>60829753
That's not a noticeable upgrade.

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>>60829714
Predictably, there's an example of fighting over definitions in >>60829714
>>60829729
DT880 is the most neutral of the main 3 beyers (770,880,990). An upgrade would be HD600, the most neutral short of distortion-happy (high THD) fancy-driven (such as electrostatic) vanity items that easily cost 10x as much, or etymotics IEMs, which are, well, IEMs.

>>60829758
>no nails on chalkboard treble
I'd say that's noticeable.

>>60829758
And that's bullshit. Nothing sounds as natural as the 600.

>>60829780
This. The tinny and veiled nature of HD600 is also very noticeable.

>>60829857
Now there's an old meme.

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>>60829889
It's not a meme if it's true.

>>60829942
Except memes can be true yet the one in question is not. Congratulations: you managed to be wrong twice in one sentence.

>>60829857
>hd600
>tinny

I don't think you understand headphones at all. Most other 'top' headphones are thin and harsh compared to the 600.

are the HD380 Pro worth it ?
budget - 150 euro, 4000 on the website listed below
location - czech republic, if they are on this website it would be perfect - https://www.alza.cz/EN/
source - onboard audio on a pc
closed
prefer comfy over better sounding
Sound signature - no idea
Past headphones - hd 215, bought them for the removable cable

>Budget
~100-150$
>Location
can ship to us
>Source
desktop onboard
>Type of headphone
Full sized over ear
>Open or closed
Either
>Comfort level
comfortable
>Sound signature
neutral
>Past headphones
mdr-v6

Removable cable is a must. Can't count how many times I repaired the damn v6 cable.

>>60830096
The tinny and veiled thing is an ancient forced shitposting meme and not worth extended debate.

>>60830118
HD559

>>60827256
>>60827130
>>60827035
>>60823492
you can get non-bluetooth wireless headphones. they need a docking/transmit station but they don't compress (at least not as much?), and the wireless range is better. sennheiser even sells the equivalent of their higher-end headphones in this form. you can even get a wireless hd600, it just costs a fuckton more than the base headphone.

>>60830105
Yes,
>signature
They have somewhat raised bass, but are pretty neutral on the rest of the spectrum. They sound good (I have them).
>closed
Yes.
>any source will work
Yes.
>comfy
They're as comfy as closed get.
>removable cable
Yes.

>Budget
100$
>Location
USA
>Source
Smartphone/bluetooth
>Type of headphone
full size, over the ear
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
I will be wearing them for extended periods of time
>Sound signature
Natural, I do not care about bass.
>Past headphones
Sony MDRXB650BT, I hated this because they compress my ears and the bass cannot be turned down.

>>60830205
thanks anon

>>60825355
>The HD650 are good dark&bassy headphones
not really. the 650 is the 600 with all it's bad points hyped up and on display. it's bloated and veiled sounding. if you want something more colored than the 600 it's better to just look elsewhere. the 650 just sounds muddy. there are much better bassy headphones that give better impact and clarity.

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>>60827018
ehh I wouldn't say it's absolutely better than the k702/702/q701. and usually those AKG headphones can be found for much cheaper, half the price or even less. beyer is not up to snuff if only because of the treble spike on every open model that will either be perfectly acceptable to someone or rape their ears. too much of a risk.

>>60830291
>point out treble spike as flaw
>don't point out that the AKG headphones also have excessive treble response to a slightly lesser degree

>>60830118
HD558 (~$65 on Amazon) + FiiO E10K (also ~$65 on Amazon)

>>60830205
>They're as comfy as closed get.
No way. DT770 or Custom Studios are much comfier.
HM5/XPT10, CB-1, m40x with new pads are all comfier than 380's.

So I just learned today that the Mjolnir doesn't turn off its pre-amp output when the headphone is connected. What kinda retarded shit is this? Who thought this was an okay design?

>>60830216
CB-1 and a Mpow bluetooth receiver

is amp class a meme? is there any audible reason to get a class A amp over any other?

>>60821812
>>60821862
>>60822851
there's one really important point in favor of speakers that you've missed -- all listeners "triangulate" sounds by head movements. localization is always going to be screwed up for headphones even if detail is fine

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>>60831437
>location aided by head movements
True.
> localization is ALWAYS going to be screwed up for headphones even if detail is fine
Not necessarily. Like VR headsets are already doing, headphone output can track head movement.
Sure, it's far from perfect, but it might get Good Enough to fool your ears and you, so ALWAYS is a bit of a stretch.

>>60830839
I'm autistic AF and easily annoyed by this kind of thing, yet HD380 got so comfortable after a month or so of use that I can easily forget I'm wearing them.
They *do* clamp when new.

>>60831105
>is amp class a meme?
No. Amp classes do exist.
>is there any audible reason to get a class A amp over any other?
No, except in practice class D has this tendency to suck. But it's not absolute. A class D can be better than a class A and the other way around.

Looking for some cheapo sub $50 headphones


>monoprice 8323
>sennheiser hd 202
>tascam th 02
>koss portapro
>samson sr850

Which should I get, anything better that's not listed?

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>>60826084
>Massdrop Fostex T-XO?
where is this? I don't see it on massdrop

>>60826730
prove to me this is audibly better than a $29 dac

>>60831836
KSC75 is arguably better than PortaPro because their design doesn't clamp as much leading to a less bass-heavy sound.

>>60831836
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/takstar-HI-2050_115356632.html

either that or Samson SR850

>>60831840
check your email

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>>60827388
how are the audeze earspeaker things? I've heard people say they sound almost as good as the LCD-X and they're like what, $200?

anyways here is an old pic. since then I've gotten:
hd580
hd661
CAL
q701
Hammo s

and some more IEMs, though nothing fancy

>>60827497
7506/v6

m40x if you need the detachable cable

hd280 doesn't sound terrible but it sounds worse than the other two and it's an absolute clamp monster. great isolation though.

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>>60831836
sr850 or hi2050

portapro for dark and on-ear
th-02 for dirt cheap and if you're willing to buy $10 pads for them.

>>60831912
>check your email

I just signed up so I guess they're not going to inform me till they're up on the site. though I don't see a reason I would get them since I have a mad dog already.

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>>60831997
the isines sound phenomenal. very neutral sound but a little n shaped with slightly protruding mids, especially for vocals. I've had to turn down once or twice because the voice was a little harsh, not because the treble was piercing. The bass is good, not overpowering but its pretty punchy, the sub-bass is also very good for a pair of open backs.

The two problems i've ran into are the design. First, the housing can rub on the antihelix of your ear, which can in turn make it uncomfortable after a while. I plan to mod them with a little padding to fix this. I think zeos did the same thing in his review. The second issue i've had is that the ear buds that the isines come with fit my ears weird. For some reason there is a small popping sound whenever I move the headphones while they are in my ears. I have deduced that it is probably an issue with the earbuds themselves, as I can hear no popping sound unless they are in my ears. I plan to buy some replacement buds and see what happens. Hopefully it fixes the issue.

>>60831905
>>60831912
>>60832081

thx for the help, looks like I'll get either the samson or the takstar, tho I can't find the takstar anywhere.

>th-02 for dirt cheap and if you're willing to buy $10 pads for them.
which pads?

>>60832762
also, will any of the models I listed require an amp?

I think I need a DAC as well because I can hear some buzzing when connecting iems to my motherboard line out.

>>60832791
maybe not, IEMs sometimes pick up interference more easily than some larger headphones do

>>60831997
how can you literally not own a beyer?

they invented the headphone, a beyer should be in everyone's collection

>>60826084
doesn't look bad based on the measurements desu

>>60831659
HD380 is pretty garbage, only good senns are the HD5xx and HD6xx lineup.

>>60832916
>>60832916
>>60832916
>>60832916
>>60832916
New thread.

>>60830291
>beyer is not up to snuff if only because of the treble spike on every open model that will either be perfectly acceptable to someone or rape their ears. too much of a risk.
AKG K702 has worse treble than Beyer's DT880.

The DT880 has a smoother response in FR with less peaks/dips. It's objectively superior.

Not to mention it's less susceptible to bass leakage.

>>60829729
HD800. Similar bright sound sig.

T1 isn't worth it.

>>60832762
>I can't find the takstar anywhere.

I linked you straight to the place you can buy it from

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I've got a ~50$ price range. Just ordered a Superlux HD668B.
Did I fuck up?

>>60833116
sr850 is better

>>60833096
I meant any other place different from alibaba

>>60831836
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826138190

Spend $8 more and get these, if not then SR850.

>>60833196
not american, can't buy from newegg :/

>>60831105
class A is an audiophile meme

>>60833181
>>60833213
Where are you from?

>>60830863
The retards at Schiit. NwAvGuy exposed those faggots ages ago.

>>60833116
They're fine, get velour pads and you'll probably want to eq the highs.

>>60833425
>eq the highs.
And the bass in my opinion. The midbass is emphazised out the ass peaking at 8-10dB @100Hz with mediocre extention in subbass.

>>60832862
>they invented the headphone
did they also invent ear rape?

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>>60833181
>>60833096
>>60832762
the same headphone, and the closed version which is also good, go under different names in various places. ask /csg/.

>>60832385
yeah a bit of padding on the plastic bits that sit sight next to the ear flesh sounds like a good idea. and the popping is probably pressure pop from putting the tips in and out. I've gotten that trying to jam the wring sized tips into my ear.