/hpg/ - Headphone General

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What is the second best headphone on the market behind the HD600?

>>60833464
HD650

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>>60833301
so don't use them on a bike but doing it till your head hurts is ok!?

fuck that. my IEMs don't isolate so much that I can't listen on my bike at reasonable levels.

i'm here to fap to anime

>>60833464
q/k701, k702

assuming you mean within reasonable price.

>>60833610
Stop recommending this garbage.

lmao there actually are people who think that HD600 would be an upgrade over the DT880s.

Sennshills, everybody.

>>60833881
HD600 > DT880 > K701

That's the consensus.

Help a nigga out

>Budget
Ideally around $60, but can go up to $120
>Location
US
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
Full size
>Comfort level
Anything that doesn't makes my ears hurt
>Sound signature
Neutral, as much isolation as possible.
>Past headphones
-Sennheiser noise cancelling headphones: they were too small and didn't liked the sound, the noise cancelling shit barely did anything. Waste of $250
-Sony MDRV150: Really liked the neutral sound, isolation could have been better. Lasted 8 years until they fell apart and my cat destroyed the cable.
-Currently using some no brand chink headphones after the loss of the previous ones. Shit sucks.

Also I fucking hate headphones that die because of the cable, so any recommendations with detachable cable or even wireless would be good.

>>60833881
Even if it's an upgrade, people are delusional if they think it's some massive upgrade. DT880 to HD800 would be a significant upgrade, not HD600.

>>60832916
post more lews sonico

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Tfw new headphones

>>60833970
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beyerdynamic-DT-770-PRO-250-Closed-Back-Reference-Studio-Tracking-Headphones-/263029522104
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beyerdynamic-DT-770-PRO-Headband-Headphones-Gray-/272710559309

>alternatively
Status Audio CB-1
Brainwavz HM5

>>60834040
HD600 has objectively higher fidelity than DT880 or HD800.

>>60834339
>I'm poor

>>60834339
Source? Because InnerFidelity's frequency response doesn't show that.

>>60834465
>independent of direction curve compensation
Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>>60834577
Okay, so what's your source? I showed mine so go ahead and show me a more reliable source.

I want some really rugged headphones that are cheap

Like £30 kind of cheap, they don't have to sound good I just want to use them and fall asleep with them on or accidentally sit on them or have them fall on the ground without shoddy plastic breaking or snapping.

I was using hyperx cloud2s for this but they've became so gross and old it's time to replace them.

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Is there any way to replace my ath cushions with new ones?

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So, I found my WH303 Walkman headphones while sorting out shit to donate to charity.

The built in speakers are actually pretty loud. I kinda like it.

What's the most Gucci headphone stand?

>soundstage
>real

>>60836313
If it's not real then what is it?

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>>60834339
>>60834040
>>60833881
>>60833969

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>>60836079
http://www.wooaudio.com/products/wahps.html

all aluminum aesthetic desu

Looking for advice

>Budget
around 80 euros, flexible
>Location
Slovakia. A good comparison site is heureka.sk but ordering from Amazon and other international sites is not a problem
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
Full sized, on or over ear
>Open or closed
Ideally open but closed is fine
>Comfort level
Doesn't matter. Reasonably comfortable.
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
Some generic gamestop headset which I can't find a link to. It was quite perfect, fit all the above requirements but it broke.

800s are on special for only $1500 aud, should i go for it?

>>60836636
clean that shit

>>60833681
Sure.

>>60833969
Try again.

>>60834040
HD800 is a downgrade from both HD600 and DT880.

>>60836471
Tyll's compensated measurements suck. Consider raw ones.

>>60837210
No. Get a DT880/K701 instead.

>>60833970
AKG K52 or K72. You won't go bald from these and they are comfy.

>>60837469
they look really cheap, at $200 i cant imagine they even sound good

>>60837627
They look cheap but they're more resistant and durable than most headphones out there. Sound quality matches their look: simple and sober.

Is using a hot glue gun to reattach my iems stress reliefs to the housing a bad idea? Superglue and tape do not work.

>>60837210
Why them?

Literally the only reply to all of these "should I..?" -questions. You're only going to collect autistic audio novice opinions otherwise which might not reflect at all on your ideas of a good headphone.

>>60837210
I just ordered mine

LCD-2 or HD800 or SR-L700 for weebshit/jpop? Upgrading from HD600.

>>60839369
Honestly I'd take the 800 over the others simply due to comfort.

LCD series - Heavy
STAX - Barbie house build quality and those fucking pads

>>60839369
I would say find a way to listen to them all first. They all have their own unique sound response. Also, in my opinion the stax is very comfortable but yes it's built like shit. Shouldn't be an issue if you're careful though.

As for my question, how trustworthy is this site?
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/

>>60839369
All those headphones are straight downgrades from HD600.

What do we do about these HD600 fanboys? You can't discuss any headphones without these retards acting like the HD600 is God's gift to Earth

>>60839369
EQ'd HD800.
>>60840718
Ignore them.

>>60840718
What's annoying is how HD600 is yet to be beaten, despite 1997.
I hate it too, but I have to recommend HD600. There's no alternatives to it worth talking about.

>>60834104
Are you the guy from the unboxing thread? Do you like them?

>>60841132
At the price point, I'd agree that the HD 600 (and 650) are kings.

But it's undeniable that there are 'better' headphones.

>>60841165
>But it's undeniable that there are 'better' headphones.
Such as?

>>60841179
Focal Utopia.

>>60841204
Not as neutral as the HD600. Just another overpriced product that should be $200-300.

>>60840718
Just don't reply.

>Budget
$150, up to $200 if need be
>Location
US
>Source
PC, laptop, phone
>Type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Either will do
>Comfort level
Doesn't matter
>Sound signature
V-shaped

>>60841590
Beyer Custom Studio.

>>60840718
Snap-posting usually clears them out for a bit. The other anons which usually do it have been absent the last couple of threads though. They need to be reminded their headphones are shit and made of chinkshit plastic.

>>60841884
Sennheisers don't snap.

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>>60841233
the hd600 isn't any more neutral than a bunch of headphone that cost more and some less. it's just that mid-centric deviations from neutral and ones that have a similar upper-mids into highs response are rare. so people consider the hd600 "more properly neutral" or "special" because they like the sounds of it's deviation more. probably because favoring the mids and having a soft sound overall gives a greater impression of balance to more people vs something that deviates from neutral about the same amount but has a bright or warm signature. even just having much flatter bass, which many headphones do, should place those in range of the hd600 in terms of overall neutrality but people dismiss that. what people really mean when they say neutral and connect that to a headphone they evangelize for is "it sounds neutral in the areas that seem more important to me for some reason", not "I did all the math in every area and overall it's more neutral and sig doesn't matter". if the hd600 were truly perfect, people wouldn't want to buy other headphones that have flatter bass or different highs response, but they consistently do when they have the means. I would too and I own the hd600. I love it but it has obvious faults to anyone who has used and owns/owned many headphones.

>>60842379
Name 5 headphones more neutral than the HD600 then.

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>>60841884
Snapcuck please leave.

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What's the soundstage like on the HD598s and HD600s? I'm looking to pick up a pair to play a lot of FPS games with, and wasn't sure how easily it would be to pick out positional audio. Wouldn't be using an amp.

>>60842457
Why 5?
Audeze LCD-1

>>60842551
Very interesting headphones. They look to be HD650s, but with a replaced headband. Any more information on this pair of headphones?

>>60842551
>Having to mod Sennheisers to prevent them from snapping
Lmao

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>>60843432
Looks like an MDR-XD400 headband

>>60843395
>Audeze LCD-1
kek, try again.

>>60843687
Lmao. Prove me wrong.

>>60842551
Holy shit I haven't checked this thread in like 6 months, but this mentally ill poster is still spamming his fake "Snapheiser meme". Do you just sit in this thread all day spamming this meme?

Get help.

>>60843707
>Only one anon
You're delusional, anon.

>>60835621
Yes. Pull them off, order some new ones, put them on. Not hard. Google shit next time.

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Which way is the correct one for HD600/650?

>>60841204
>Neutrality

Fuck off, get out. Even in harman's study there were adjustments/deviations for bass and treble that people changed, but it's not even about that. Every music is produced differently and mastered differently, most of the classical music doesn't have strong treble or sub bass unless it's an organ, compare it to electronic music with lots of sub bass. There are headphones with peaks, more smooth FR and etc, but neutrality is meme. HD600 mids and lower treble is too forward for rock and some guitars, nor it has sub bass, that won't matter that much unless you listen to electronic music, altho bass overall isn't as tight as on other headphones.

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Making the autistic snapposter angry is probably a significant reason why the HD600 is recommended so often here.

>>60843890
>Not using the snapheiser meme to trigger the autistic Sennheiser shills

>>60843947
kek

>>60843947
We all have headphone autism here.

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I don't understand the hate.

I am very happy with my HD600.

>>60843395
Sure, but can you buy those right now? Thought so.

I am an HD600 owner.

When a better headphone comes out, I'll buy it.

Till then, HD600 is king, no matter the price point.

>>60844038
>Moving the goalpost
Lmaoing at your life

>>60844069
Not moving the goalpost, I admit that the LCD-1 is more neutral. But good luck finding one.

HD600s are the best headphones that money can buy sans the ER-4 dildos.

>>60844038
>Sure, but can you buy those right now?

Yeah I can because I'm not a poorfag.

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/r/

>what I need it for:
business trip
Malaysia, South Korea, Arizona and back home
I don't even know what my starting and ending airport will be, nor if the flights I'll get will be direct. I still have time
What I do know is that I'll be spending a lot of time in the air
so...
>source
Laptop
Android smartphone
Transcontinental airplane
>sound quality
I barely care, I'm a pleb and I wouldn't recognize the difference if you'd explain it to me
so far I've bought the sub 10€ stuff they have next to the counter in your general electronics store
what I need is...
>noise cancelling and comfort
I may wear them for more than 12 hours in one go and may also wear them while sleeping.
I might even want to rest my head against the wall if I get a seat which allows it.
>Budget
I'd pretty much say open ended but think I should stay below 400€
my company will pay for half of my expenses if they are reasonable

That is to say, I have also considered noise cancelling ear muffs one would use on a construction side, wrapping them in cloth for minor comfort and wear my 10€ ones underneath.

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>>60844107
Sure.
I have this really nice medicine. Now, sign here.

>>60843890
This. I'm not disingenuous when I recommend the HD600 as it really is a great headphone, but the snapheiser guy makes a truly fun playtoy sometimes.

>>60844038
There are many better headphones. Just use EQ. There's no excuse for buying chinkshit plastic HD600s.

>>60832916
/hpg/ always has the best op pics

Are planars a meme
Looking at LCD-3

>>60844793
No. They're great.
>inb4 autistic HD600 shills sperg out about how you can't hear bass distortion

>>60844793
I'm looking at some high-end headphones too. Currently debating between HD800 or a planar like one of the LCD headphones. I already have a DT880 and HD600 so maybe a planar would add some variety.

This HD 600 + Fulla 2 is just a shitty as the K702 + FiiO E10K we had some time ago. You aren't helping, you aren't even interested in giving good suggestions. You are just repeating your own narrow ideas of what an ideal headphone is to anons who don't necessarily share the same ideas.

>>60843687
That's clearly more neutral than the HD 600. SRH1840 is anohter or ER-4S, ER-4PT, ER-4B... who cares? If you want a neutral pair of headphones, you'd break out an equalizer to do just that. Jacking off on some random response plot is idiotic, recommending the headphones to other people just because they adhere to your standards of a good headphone or are "neutral" and thus good or even the "best" on is even more so.

>>60841884
That makes it worse. If you want it to stop, you don't reply. Snap-posting is something you should just report on sight.

>>60844793
Looking at the technology is a meme if you are shopping. Look for things which are telling of the headphone performance and what you like. Might be LCD-3, might not.

>>60844849
I already have HD800, was looking at the LCD-3 to step into planar.
If you enjoy the HD600, just go for the 800. The soundstage is amazing. Bass is weak, but everything else is so clear. I jumped to them from a pair of 650s.

>>60844414
Bose QC35.

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HD600 is the best, most neutral and most well-built open headphone on the market.

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>>60844967 wins the thread, officially.

>>60844925
>. SRH1840 is anohter
Similar response to HD600, but extremely high (10%) THD. Distortion is too much, hard to look at these seriously.
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/ShureSRH1840.pdf
>ER-4S, ER-4PT, ER-4B... who cares?
IEMs, apples to oranges.
>you'd break out an equalizer to do just that.
Sure thing, EQ can do marvels, but then you need the headphones AND the EQ. I don't know you, but most people expect to plug their headphones and have them sound good, without having to mess with postprocessing.
>recommending the headphones to other people just because they adhere to your standards of a good headphone
Some people here ask for recommendations, others give recommendations. Often enough, HD600 is recommended. For very good reasons.
>Snap-posting is something you should just report on sight.
Been doing that, it's indeed the right thing to do.
>Looking at the technology is a meme if you are shopping.
Agree 100%, planar or electrostatic imply nothing else than a bump in price. Results is what does matter, and they're model per model, technology irrelevant.

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Today in /hpg/ novices switch from shilling a popular headphone into transducer type meme.

If you tried EQ subbass into a headphone without it any wouldn't that cause it to distort heavily?

>>60845108
The "subbass" would be highpassed (read ignored) and, if eq was done properly, that is, without the increase in subbass affecting the overall volume, it would sound quieter.

I thought as a EE, I'd be more knowledgeable on this audio hobby but I'm still so lost. I understand these DAC and amp architectures but why does it seem so hard to find some objective specs to compare all these DACs/amps? Frequency response, distortion, slew rate etc. are stuff I can usually find but it's hard to tell how a 5-10% difference is going to actually sound when you listen to it. At this rate, I have no idea if these high-end DACs/amps are even worth it or just pure marketing meme because all the testimonials you hear from people is just full with fluff words and phrases that almost have no meaning.

I really wish there were stores I could go to where I can actually try these equipment out before buying it.

>>60845149
>pure marketing meme
That's what it is.

>>60845149
I honestly think most modern equipment out there is audibly transparent. Meaning, the distortion is so low you'll never hear it unless you really over drive it, the frequency response so flat, noise inaudible, etc. Of course this is just my perception maybe some people out there really can hear the 0.1db differences in frequency response or the 0.1% distortion though.

Also, there's NEVER going to be a difference as huge as 5-10%. If you're an EE whip out your oscilloscope and test a few amplifiers. The differences in measurement will be very small which is why I believe they're hardly audible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvireu2SGZM
Watch this if you really want to research more from someone who knows it all.

>>60845108
I've EQ'd flat sub-bass into multiple open dynamics with great success and no noticeable distortion to my ears.
>>60845141
>The "subbass" would be highpassed (read ignored)
This might be the case for headphones with their own amp/dac inside, like wireless headphones, but for regular old headphones no, this will not occur, and this can be verified through measurements.

>>60845108
If you EQ sub-bass into a headphone properly, that is, by setting a negative gain preamp value equivalent to the positive sub-bass gain, what you are actually doing, in effect, is lowering everything but the sub-bass instead of boosting the sub-bass. This will not increase sub-bass distortion. It will make any existing sub-bass distortion more audible since you're lowering the volume of all the other frequencies, but the actual amount of sub-bass distortion will remain the same.

>>60845108
Adding amplitude increases distortion in analog systems. Headphones can go against this in some rare cases but it's the best to assume that you do end up with more distortion. This says nothing about distortion audibility. Low frequency distortion is the least audible to us as is the second harmonic. Distortion in bass is both and thus usually inaudible. Even if audible, it's rare for it to be objectionable.

Frequency magnitude is always the number one concern.

>>60845149
>5-10% difference is going to actually sound when you listen to it
We lack perception relevant metrics. Just noticeable differences have been tested under ideal laboratory conditions but listening to test tones in a silent lab is generally not what you do.

For amps and DACs a transparent FR is an easy task. It's not rare to see +-0.1 dB 20-20 kHz(or better) measurements. Smallest difference under laboratory conditions which we can consistently hear with a sine tone is 0.2 dB.

Slew rate is not a concern. You can make an edge case for that in electrostatic amplifiers where voltage swing can be hundreds of Volts. Electrostatic amps don't get measured and as far as I know, slew rate limitations on fidelity have never been tested for.

Distortion is complex but something that isn't exactly meaningful for amps unless you overload them. Then again some manufacturers have other ideas and distortion is wanted. For DACs it's almost meaningless.

High end goes two ways in audio. Some brands manufacture hi-f equipment measuring orders of magnitude above common gear. Despite that it might not sound any different. Most people's idea of value shatters here when money doesn't buy you better sound. The other way is to not care about performance and fidelity at all. Just make something different. Or make something similar and call it different. No specs, high price and it'll sell.

You don't test gear in sighted listening, our perception has limits, DACs and amps are a solved problem.

>>60845149
I would take an EE who didn't know anything about audio any day over the usual audiophile.

Sufficiently high performance amplifiers and DAC are decades old at this point. The modern challenges are price, power draw, and the like.
Slew rate isn't a major factor; audio spectrum tapers above 5kHz, headphone voltages are small.

>>60845385
IME typical scope resolution is ill suited to test audio electronics.

Are there any headphones with as much detail >10khz as good speakers? Every pair I've ever heard lacked the very top end.

>>60845658
Electrostats.

>>60845658
What do you mean by ''detail >10khz''? Frequency response, distortion or?

>>60845534
Have there been blind tests of DACs/amps? Like you said, sighted listening has limits. We can't say it's a solved problem unless there have been blind tests.

>>60845720
Never heard headphones with good ultra high end. Even if you EQ there are big gaps in the response that are impossible to take out. I'm not sure if it's driver modes or some other cancellation inherent to headphones. Maybe electrostatics are better.

On the other end is there any way to get a speaker system with truly clean sub bass? Good time domain response like open headphones. Is room treatment enough? Sealed subwoofers, open baffle, what works?

>>60845786
Sealed subs that have a flat frequency response and don't distort even at high output levels. The challenge then is to measure the response in your room and treat it or use EQ(DSP). Also, good subwoofers are really expensive last I checked, maybe there's some cheap substitutes. Maybe the dayton audio subs are any decent. You could also try building one yourself, I guess. Also, having two or more subs is good too.

>>60845534
>relevant metrics
Bell Labs and Fraunhofer made that clear with the development of MP3, starting with the "13 dB miracle". For a modern development, you should look into what Opus has done with their encoder, and their trials.

>>60845786
Stax headphones are practically characterized by their 10KHz mode.

>>60845740
That would be taking the fringe position in engineering circles.
>blind tests.
Large scale 16-bit A-D-A loopback done by Meyer and Moran as part of their attempt to debunk hi-res. Null result. They would argue that the failure among the hundreds of participants, audio engineers and audiophiles of varying ages, would provide an overwhelming case for the negative.

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>get M50x and Q amp as first foray into headphones
>get cancer on right ear
>have 1/3 ear removed
>can't use m50x any more due to clamp strength and somewhat small ear pads

Looking for something open that doesnt have a high clamp force and has largerish ear pads, any sugestions?

Pic related, its my ear.

>>60845872
Yeah going DIY seems like a good option. Trouble is I've never heard a speaker system without lumpy low end so I'm not sure what it takes to overcome that. My current system is calibrated fairly flat at the listening position but it still has nothing on headphones. Weird room resonance stuff and being limited to 40hz sucks the life out of some music.

>>60846077
>Weird room resonance stuff
Have you tried a convolver? Equalizer APO can apply it system-wide in Windows if you're on Windows.

>>60846051
>M50Xs being cancer wasn't a meme after all
Lmao. Joking aside, sorry to hear; what's your budget?

>>60846091
Yeah I've used REW and APO to get the frequency response as flat as it's gonna be around my listening position. Can you fix time domain issues at all with that though? My main issues with the room are time related. 50hz hangs, 40hz is hyper transient etc.

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>>60846153
id like to keep it around $100. I mean its only been like a month since i've had the m50x so I could potentially sell them and get something a bit better? thatd raise budget to $200-250, powered by the Q1

>>60846051
how the fuck do they even detect cancer in an ear?

>>60846051
m50x sounds just like any other consumer headphone, it being bad is a literal headfi meme, they're ok

>>60846197
For headphones under $100 with a low clamp force, I would look at the SHP9500S or the HD 558 if you want deeper pads.

>>60846212
I had a mole in that area for a while (all my life as far as I know) that slowly got raised and hurt when I would wear a hat, headphones, or sleep on that side. I got it checked out and removed and then it tested positive for melanoma and now here we are

>>60846296
>Wider pads
SHP9500S
>Deeper pads
HD 558

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Do you guys EQ your headphones or just use them as intended?

I got fed up with my DT990's treble so I lowered it, and i'm liking the new sound.

>>60846179
>Yeah I've used REW and APO to get the frequency response as flat as it's gonna be around my listening position.
Using the convolver or just the equalizer in APO? The purpose of the convolver is room acoustics correction and it does more than just an EQ.

>>60846051
>>60846197
jesus dude, go with >>60846296 558 suggestion, i have the 598 and they're comfy for long periods of time, i'd say if you could try those first and see if you're comfortably wearing those.

>>60846387
I will never not EQ headphones or speakers. They can all benefit from EQ. Also, what the fuck are you doing nigga?
>gain in preamp
You're clipping the signal, introducing massive distortion with that preamp gain.

>>60846434
>>gain in preamp
>You're clipping the signal, introducing massive distortion with that preamp gain.
External pre-amps are a scam.

Define "massive" distortion.

>>60846387
pls be bait, that treble reduction is barely noticable lul

>>60846583
It's very noticeable on my headphones. Don't know what to tell you.

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>>60846604
between every line is 5db lul, that's barely noticeable

>>60845534
>slew rate limitations on fidelity have never been tested for.
Matti Otala, called it transient intermodulation(TIM). Debated over 40 years ago. Not a real high concern given the power spectrum of music, which was itself limited by the analogue formats of the time.
Measured by the 19+20 kHz IMD test. Subject to the omnipresent constraint of masking even in worst case scenario.
That slew limits are not a concern is seen in the limited current supply in electrostatic headphone amplifiers. They cannot sustain a 20kHz sine near nominal maximum voltage output, but real distortion is still very low.

>>60846179
Time is frequency, frequency is time. Modulus of frequency response is not the same thing as the complex frequency response. An underappreciated and useful fact.
Audio signal convolution is normally represented as a time-domain operation on the signal. It has the mathematical freedom to do anything to the linear output, except violate physics of causality.
Using a convolver doesn't change that the signal is spatially variable. It will yield perfect sound at one spot.

>>60846387
Is that the iTunes EQ? It's bad. Either way, ditch that one and get a parametric.

>>60846657
>Is that the iTunes EQ?
vlc

>>60846681
>vlc
people use vlc? for music? :X

>>60846681
OS? Windows users have a free and easy solution with Equalizer APO, other systems require more work.

>>60846300
kek i have a raised mole on my arm. fuck getting it checked though. i'm not giving up an arm.

>>60846816
Mac.

>>60846469
You're either a complete idiot or, far more likely, a troll.
Kids, don't introduce preamp gain with your EQs and always introduce negative preamp gain equivalent to your largest EQ boost to prevent clipping.

>>60846872
>don't introduce preamp gain with your EQs
Is the clipping perceptible or not?

>>60846387
>>60846885
>12 fucking decibels of preamp gain
Your headphones are going to sound like they're farting with music with modern mastering techniques.

>>60846900
>with modern mastering techniques.
What if i'm listening to an SACD rip of music from 35 years ago?

>>60846835
itd likely just get cut out and sent to pathology, you wouldnt lose an arm. I only lost that bit of my ear because its so thin that just cutting it out wasnt an option

>>60846913
If your headphones aren't loud enough with quiet content and software volume at 100% the proper solution is not adding gain beyond 100% volume with software, the proper solution is a headphone amp.

>>60846856
Soundflower to do audio management, and an AU to work with. AU Lab can be obtained directly from Apple. Some fiddling will be required.
Or you could pay for an EQ suite, but that's money.

>>60846913
>>60846885
You can't touch the volume of an SACD digitally without intermediate conversion. DSD can *only* be as an archival format, its original intention.
The most noticeable effect of digital overload is that the volume increase stops.

How would you rank the big brands in terms of build quality?

>inb4 muh snap

Hello, /hpg/!

>Budget
Less than $200 preferred
>Location
Burgerland
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
Full
>Open or closed
Doesn't matter, maybe closed, I'll only be using these in my dorm alone.
>Comfort level
I'll wear them for a several hours a day but as long as they aren't uncomfortable it doesn't matter too much
>Sound signature
Not sure, I listen to a lot of rock music, yet I like bass, so maybe bass-y? Not sure.
>Past headphones
Cheap IEMs, first time buying good audio equipment so I don't know what to expect.
I liked the apple earbuds the best, I used monoprice 9963s but they seemed to have changed the design of them because my new sets of them have less bass, they were OK but pretty cheap

>>60847025
>Muh neutral headphones maymay

>>60847025
>ear dildos that high

How do you people even use that shit daily? Do you really find it comfortable to cram in that thing deep in your ear? I would much rather take a less neutral IEM like the Shure shit that fits snugly in my ear with godtier isolation than those ear dildo cancer.

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>>60846434
>>60846900
I can easily make do with about this much gain.
Will clipping still be an issue?

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>>60846434
>>60846900
>>60847073
Fuck, wrong picture.

>>60847022
>ranking brands in terms of build quality
This is silly and impossible. Evaluating individual models of headphones in terms of build quality is smarter and more useful.

>>60847022
If you aren't obese ham hands like the snapheiser shill you're alright.

Most headphones that are recommended here are built pretty good, that includes DT880, K702 and HD600.

>>60847093
Clipping will be an issue with some content with any preamp gain at all. Do not use software preamp gain. Buy a headphone amp if your shit isn't loud enough.

>>60847023
DT880 is right around $200 and it would fit your needs. If you really need something for less than $200 then I'm not really sure since I've personally never used any headphone less than $200 aside from the M50 which isn't all that great.

>>60847094
>This is silly and impossible

There are certain brands that have shit tier build quality across the board like Hifiman but yes, I do agree with you.

>>60846835
They will, if it-s allowed to get bad. Or you could die.
The sooner, the better. They can just remove it with no bad consequences if done early.

Is a D1 worth upgrading to over a E10k?

>>60847166
>audioengine
No

>>60847166
If your E10k is loud enough for your needs, obviously no. E10/E10k is demonstrably transparent through objective measurements. You only need to upgrade if it's broken or not loud enough.

>>60832916
lol she is hearing a headphone

>>60847194
:)

>>60847025
Strangely accurate.

>>60847194
fucking corrector

>>60847166
>upgrading to chink amp
No. If you really want an upgrade, look at the schiit stack.

>>60847228
>it's bad because it's chink

I'd take FiiO any day over the fucking cancer audiophile faggots at Schiit.
>>60847166
No.
>>60847025
tfw to intelligent too use AKG headphones

>>60847314
>I'd take FiiO any day over the fucking cancer audiophile faggots at Schiit.
There's no question, issues with the first revisions of their first products several years ago aside, that they make good hardware.
You may not agree with their marketing machinery trying to appeal to both "objectivists" and "subjectivists", but there's no doubt their cheaper products are excellent value for the money.

>>60847348
Nfb11 is better than schiit uber stack for the same price.

>>60847357
>better
In what sense? Better means nothing, and while the nfb-11 doesn't look outright bad manufacturer spec wise, it is far too untested, and too expensive for something china-made. I'd perhaps grab one if curious, but recommend it is out of the question.

>>60847419
It's pretty well tested, most reviewers online say it's better. While you can say "hurrdurr that doesn't count", there are no reviewers who say schiit is better.

>>60847419
Both the schiit and nfb-11 aren't tested enough.

I've yet to see measurements from reputable sources.

>>60847436
I couldn't find any reviews. Perhaps my google-fu isn't as good as it used to be. I'm getting old.

>>60847495
Search on YouTube.

How comfortable are stock M40x's? Is it absolutely required to get different pads? I'm hearing conflicting opinions.

>>60847692
It's subjective, gotta try them for yourself :^(

>>60847692
If you've never had comfy headphones, you probably wouldn't notice. You can get them and see if your ears hurt after wearing them for a while.

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>>60843799
please respond

>>60848032
The one on the left. Driver aimed at canal opening.
But really, whatever is comfortable.

>>60848148
>The one on the left. Driver aimed at canal opening.

Do you mean the one on the right?

>>60848186
Yes

/hpg/, why do you like/dislike on ears?

>>60848422
KSC75 coming in the mail today. We'll see.

>>60848430
OP of question
I had PortaPros. They're pretty comfy though too much midbass, not enough sub bass and the isolation was pretty near to none. They're still pretty damn good headphones.
I got my Superlux HD 562's thrusday (HD 25 1-II Clone) and made my ears sore with the clamp of a fat trackstar cumming. They came with extra velours though were comfier, picked up every little bit of dust in the air so they weren't suitable for portable use but holy fuck do they isolate. For $30, I can't complain and they sound pretty decent. A bit too bassy for my tastes with stock pleathers and has a sharp treble drop from Solderdude's measurements but they get their job done.

>>60848430
KSC75 have a funny way of making audiophiles re-evaluate the 100's/1000's they've spent on their hobby.

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Is the ER-4 series of IEMs significantly better than the HF5?

>>60848842
If you're into the diffuse field curve, they're pretty good. I would prefer the XR cuz muh bass bump.

>>60848842
>>60848907
The ER, sure. The XR is for riffraff who do like their bass. The overall suffers, as you'd expect when you give up neutrality.

hey pals

i bought a usb audio interface for plugging my guitar to my pc
however there are zero options i can find anywhere to change things
specifically bass, as this thing has literally no bass.
the driver i downloaded with it makes it work properly, but there aren't any options.
i'm using it as my main sound output so i dont have to keep plugging it in each time i want to record guitar parts
so, are there programmes to use to change bass / sound of windows?
i know windows usually has this as standard, but for this audio interface there doesnt seem to be anything here

if you understand what i mean, it's kind of difficult to explain it seems

>>60847314
From their website I would think Schiit likes to make fun of "audiophiles"

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Is this important at all?

Almost all my music is 44.1 and some is 48000

>>60848907
>>60848978
But is it $200 better?

>>60848842
HF5 is basically the ER-4PT with differences in accessory and cable. one of many variations of the Knowles ED. 4S is the HF5 with a large series resistor attached.
4SR and 4XR use a new driver design, MMCX connectors, and a metal body. 4SR basically sounds like the 4S before, with improved sensitivity. New cable design, of course. 4XR has more bass. It's not particularly "less accurate", as it also counters the subbass rolloff on 4SR.

If you don't want to go pick up the HF5, there are other IEMs that are more or less clones of it. They aren't built around deep fit and isolation though.
As for value, your call.

>>60848982
Equalizer APO. I think you can apply it to inputs as well as outputs.

>>60833970
m40x

>>60849097
Not important, but:
- Computer music is usually 48k
- CDs are 44k1
- Windows resampler sux
Using bit-exact output is theoricaly best, but a pain in the ass because of the above. Using 96KHz 24bit, a target high enough, minimizes damage by the shitty windows resampler. 192KHz is simply ridiculous territory.

>>60849084
Schiit just tries to make any potential buyer feel like they're so smart and tech-savvy for buying from a company that's so "real" with them

>>60849352
>Using bit-exact output is theoricaly best, but a pain in the ass because of the above

You can use WASAPI in foobar2000 for bit-exact output so you don't have to worry about switching it yourself

>>60849392
>Schiit just tries to make any potential buyer feel like they're so smart and tech-savvy for buying from a company that's so "real" with them
i.e. good marketing. Clever.

>>60849392

Yeah and does that control anything outside of foobar, like browser content, games, or video files?

>>60849392
>You can use WASAPI in foobar2000 for bit-exact output so you don't have to worry about switching it yourself
Yes, except it doesn't coop with the rest of the system. But yes, it's nice if all you want to hear is your music, and you're obsessed with bit exactness.
As if the delta-sigma DAC didn't throw it all away anyway.

>>60849272
thanks i saw this a minute ago
but it says "wont work with ASIO" which of course this thing is.. but i'll give it a try
i think ASIO literally ignores all the enahancements from the pc? i just read that somewhere too

>>60849476
ASIO is a third party API for low/controlled latency.
WASAPI is something similar but newish and by microsoft itself.
Either should do the job, if you're obsessed with bit exact output for some silly reason.

>>60849417
No, but outside of listening to music, I'd say you don't need to worry about it.

>>60849519
na it seems to work, this is exactly what i wanted thanks

now to find out how to use this....

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>>60849654
The one thing you must know about Equalizer APO is that if you boost the bass by 5 decibels you must set the preamplification setting to -5 decibels to prevent clipping and thus distortion.
I'd use the following setting in the configuration editor for a simple bass boost, as that's what you said you wanted (pic related).
Simply adjust the gain to taste, and always put a corresponding negative gain value in the preamplification setting.

>>60849853
nice tip about the pre-amp
i was noticing some pops even though the thing said there was no peaking, but that worked great
i downloaded the Peace GUI, it has some pre-sets that i'll play around with

Are there actual SennShills in here?
I refuse to believe these are just fanboys since how many people realistically drop $400+ on a pair of headphones. Even Beats don't cost this much.

>>60849654
For more advanced usage of Equalizer APO, if you ever find the desire to do so, use the software Room EQ Wizard to generate Equalizer APO settings, as it has a really nice parametric equalizer GUI to configure APO settings with. REW and APO are very powerful in conjunction with a measurement mic for speaker correction.

>>60849907
>$400+
$288, and even cheaper used

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>>60849929
>secondhand headphones

>>60849901
A simple low-shelf filter like >>60849853 is better for a simple bass boost than a graphic equalizer preset like Peace would give you.

>>60849970
richfag.

>>60849973
uhh okay how do i remove, or disable, peace? or set it back to default

>>60850028
never mind dumb question

Got to try on the AudioQuest NightOwl and NightHawk today.

Holy shit they're so fucking comfy. What are they doing to make them so comfy?

Anyone know what the sound for them is like? The only source available was playing jazz, which I never listen to. How would they do with grunge and edm?

>>60849907
People drop +$1000 on headphones.

The best part is that $300 headphones is where headphone sound quality peaks.

>>60847022
I can only judge on what I own, but my X2, v6, and Mad Dogs feels significantly sturdier than anything else I own

>>60850203
Can the same be said for the other direction?
Audio equipment manufacturers throwing away decades of high fidelity competition in favor of profit margins (cheap Chinese components, lackluster design) and the latest meme technologies (5.1 then 7.1)

>>60847692
not very comfortable. like another poster said, it's very possible you won't mind. thousands never complained about the poor comfort on the m50 after all. the problem is the pads are not very soft or large, and the headband creates a bit of a hot spot at the top. putting some srh-840 pleather pads on lessens both problems significantly and they're like $10. you should also bend the band out some, be careful and do it in the middle. watch one of tyll's old videos he did it all the time.

>>60849244
>there are other IEMs that are more or less clones of it
can you name some? I really doubt I could go for the deep insertion because up till this point I have disliked flanged tips and have preferred shallow insertion for comfort.

>>60847357
Better in what sense? I've been looking up and down for what "better" could mean but I can't find a direct comparison that explains what exactly is better.

>>60843452
>he can't mod his headphones to something cooler and more durable so he spams snapheiser all day

Lmao

Does anyone here actually have experience with Audeze headphones? I'm hearing bad things about how long they last across the internet.

>>60850629
they are not worth the price

>Budget
100-200
>Location
US
>Source
My PC, mainly
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed I guess, but it doesn't REALLY matter
>Comfort level
Comfort is good
>Sound signature
Neutral would be best, but v-shaped is fine
>Past headphones
NVX something, can't remember exactly what, but it was recommended here. They just broke because I'm an absolute fucker Something durable would be nice.

I was looking at the Beyerdynamic DT 770, but the pastebin says it might need an amp. What exactly does that mean? Will it sound poopy, or will it just be held back by my PC?

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Just got this meme
Off the bat, holy shit they're dark. But holy shit, electronic music is so fucking great in them.

>>60850757
Beyerdynamic offers a bunch of different options for how many ohms are required to power their headphones, power being "volume" I suppose

32 ohms is like baby mode and can run on absolutely anything no matter what and headphones made for phones/ipods are usually 32
80 is like standard high end headphones, most decent headphones will be around 80 and can still run on pretty much anything.

250 is when you start to need a bit more, for example if you plug 250ohm headphones into your typical smartphone you'll have no problems at all but say you come across one of those youtube videos and the voices are quieter than usual you'll have no ability to turn the sound up because you'll likely be at 80-100% just to reach what a typical headphone would reach at 50%.

And 600 you need an amp, unless you have a high end motherboard that says it can support 600ohms I guess, plugging 600ohm headphones into a smartphone will definitely be too quiet to enjoy.

>>60851142
It is called impedance, for future reference
But yeah pretty accurate

>>60850757
AKG K553 pro

>>60850941
>blue yeti
>hd800
>lcd-2

so many memes in one picture

>>60850941
Does it pair well with your NFB-11?

>>60851576
>pair well
>>>/head-fi/

>>60851589
It's a planar, dude

>>60851445
Why's this still recommended with the seal problems it has?

>>60851574
*lcd-3
>>60851576
nfb-11 is pretty neutral so yea

>>60832916
what are the best wireless one?

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>>60849970
best way to get top-tier headphones for much less than the msrp. you can always buy new pads if it bothers you, just check pictures and the seller well. never had a problem and it let me get my q701 for $90, hp50 for $160, and hd580 for $150, other headphones too.

>>60851671
I thought the later revisions didn't have the problem. I also head forcing v-moda xl pads on them fixes it.

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>>60851871
and which of those headphones should I get?

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>>60851871
Why are you buying so many different headphones?

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>>60851878
realistically I think if you want to move up from the $100 and under range into the "big audiophile headphones", AKG is the best place to start. the best of the k-series can often be found for very little on ebay if you hunt around, usually between $100-200. it is much harder to find say an HD600 for that price, usually they stay between $250 and $300, because they're so hyped. personally I think which is better is up to your preferences, but I do think they compete. I think it's worth checking out used for any headphones you're interested in that aren't very well known, or are "hidden gems", you're much more likely to find great prices that way. there is always an element of luck and persistence though, some headphones that are not very well known still might maintain their price because there are so few on sale. last I checked getting a deal on a PM3 was still really hard. also, don't let amp "requirements" put you off unless you know they are insanely hungry headphones. they usually get loud enough and worst case cheap decent amps are not hard to find.

>>60851899
because I went through a hoarding period, also cheap deals. plus I'm not the kind to find a "perfect" headphone and call it quits. enjoying variety and knowing there is no perfect headphone for every situation is a big part of enjoying the hobby for me. I like switching and playing with eq as well. besides even with the huge amount of headphones I own I still spent less than 1 top-end placebo phone like an audeze. I won't sell a headphone unless I know I'm not going to use it, and of those I own that I don't use they either need repair or they're not worth selling cause they're cheap anyways, I would rather gift them or something. actually now that I think it I don't have much use for my ue6000 and they could probably fetch $50 or so.

>>60844793
>LCD-3

Read this thread first:

https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/instructive-and-sad-story-about-lcd-3-modification-attempt.770678/

>>60852018
HD600 can be found for under $200 if you know where to look. I just saw one earlier for $170

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>>60832916

Alright /g/, I'll let you decide. Massdrop is going to release these heavily modded T50RP MKII's for $150. My only other headphones have been HD 598's.

Should I do it, or is it just a scam by Fostex to dump their leftover MKII stock?

>>60852303
It's going to sell out within minutes. Do you actually need it, though? Your 598 is fine, just save up for something better.

>>60852303
Not worth it. Just save for HD600.

>>60852348
I just wanted it because I think I'm starting to get sick of looking at my ugly creme headphones all the time. And I wanted to try the magnetic meme.

Is the magnetic meme even worth it?

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>>60848507
Well, it certainly made me question it for a bit. The lower bass rattles at higher volumes, which is the biggest downside. The overall tonality is a bit honky and needs a cut 2-3khz, but clarity is all there, and after a bit of EQ, sounds almost as good as the HD600.

>>60852303
is there anything known about it? t50rp mods are not created equal. many have unsatisfying and janky results. some like the mad dog have very good results that extend the bass very well and give a warm sound. if these are basically $150 mad dogs I would buy them in an instant. if not there is no point. are we expected to buy these on faith because it's a t50rp mod? I've seen several massdrop "mods" like those of the cal and meze 99 that were not worth it in the slightest.

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>>60852515
The FR certainly looks similar.

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>>60852543
looks like it trades bass extension for not rolling off the highs which all the mr speakers do.

looks like it would be worth it if it responds to eq well. hopefully you can raise the bass some and even out the highs to get a slightly warm sound. if it ends up sounding bass light and fatiguing that will be bad. mr speakers generally roll off in a gentle slope, they sound pretty warm, less so if you raise the high back up some in eq.

see pic.

>>60852303
>>60852543
when are these coming out exactly? never got the email.

>>60852408
Eh, maybe for a high end meme along with an amp. Seems like you want that one just for the novelty of it.

>>60852663
27 hours

>>60852641
Important to note, they might also be using a different compensation curve than innerfidelity.

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A question for all of you who have audiophile grade headphones.
Which audio DACs did you end up getting?
I'm planning on falling for the HD600 meme and not sure if I'll need to upgrade from pic related.

just ordered used LCD-2 for 750€, have i made a huge mistake?

upgrading from K712

Which akgs were chinkshit again?

>>60851598
what

>>60852780
That's pretty clearly not ID and the coupler is different too.
>"NOTE: The measurements reflect diffuse field correction applied via the APx555'sinput EQ."

>>60853256
Ask yourself. Something tells me you haven't got a clue about what you want or what you bought if you ask verification from anons.

>>60853536
Most are manufactured in China. I believe that K712, K812 and K872 come from Slovakia.

>>60853186
The one which looked pretty. Converter is rarely a concern and its performance is unrelated to the headphones being used.

Moving to an apartment soon and I'm probably going to have to switch to headphones from my LSR305s.

~200
USA
PC and phone
Full-size
Preferably closed
Neutral, with the caveat that I'm used to my speakers giving things like drums a bit more oomph. I'm not really satisfied with my HD595s in comparison. They're falling apart cause they're a decade old

Any recs?

best closed & portable on-ear headphones for all types of music?
under 100$/€ if possible

>>60854069
maybe beyerdynamic dt 770

I have an LG G4 and I'm not very impressed with the audio quality, especially at high volumes. I have MDR-V6 headphones.

Is it worth buying a portable DAC? Will it increase the sound quality and how much would I need to spend to get some actual results?

Could someone rec some cheap ass chinkshit or tell me if the Fulla 2 would be a good option? Anything else in the price range or even a little cheaper?

>>60843799
Whichever sounds best. Right one would be best in my experience.

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Why are Beats so perfect?

>>60846051
Oh shit that's actually fucked.

Looking for IEMs for use on a train and at work.

>Budget
150 USD, willing to make it 200 if really necessary
>Location
SEA
>Source
Phone
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
Important. Normally, I can't stand IEMs, but headphones are too bulky for this use case, so I need something that's at least comfortable enough.
>Sound signature
Mostly neutral with a bit of a V shape.
>Past IEMs
Sony XBA-100. There was a severe lack of bass and treble that it felt lifeless to me.

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Anyone here got to try the monoprice m1060? How does it stand up to the hd600? What does what better?

>>60851142
Fantastic explanation, thanks. What are the advantages of higher ohms?

>>60856567
Less affected by output impedance.

>>60856618
What is output impedance and why is it bad? Sorry for the dumb questions.

>>60856710
it changes the frequency response on some headphones if the output impedance is too high

>>60856710
Outputs, like headphones, have impedance.
Say your headphone is 50Ω while your output is 20Ω. That's going to be 5:2 ratio of power spent at the headphones vs at the output.
This would just be a waste of power, except for the fact headphone impedance is not flat across frequency. Depending on the headphone model, it might be quite pronounced, like 6:1 ratio between highest and lowest impedance frequencies.
What happens in practice is that if the ratio between the headphones and the output isn't high enough (10:1 is often thrown around as a recommended minimum ratio), the frequency response of the headphones will be affected by it.
This is one of many issues which getting an amp will help with.

>>60851142
Your explanation only works in a context where everything else but the impedance is kept constant. Beyers within their single model lineup are like that and an exception in the headphone world. You can't make that connection between volume and impedance on different models.

>>60856567
They are compatible with a larger range of output qualities due to lower power draw and less effected by high output impedance.

>>60856776
In short it causes uneven voltage division to the load and thus shifts the response. This is reversible with an equalizer. Getting "an amplifier" isn't a solution. You need an output with low output impedance. Not all amplifiers do this and not all embedded audio devices have high output impedance in the first place.

>>60856839
>EQ
Can do marvels, but you'd need a way to measure, measurements to calibrate your EQ against, and a source that can EQ in the first place.
>You need an output with low output impedance. Not all amplifiers do this
Unless talking exotic like tubes, headphone amp specs always list impedance below 10Ω, often below 1Ω.
>not all embedded audio devices have high output impedance in the first place.
Some outputs are really good, making an external amp completely redundant. Ultimately, having an amp to compare against is the only way to be sure. Very reasonable options cost just tens of dollars, so it's fine.

>>60856916
>Very reasonable options cost just tens of dollars
that's a lot of money for the poorfags on /hpg/

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>>60856523
I think it's considerably worse but if you wanna try a planar and already own the meme HD600s then by all means get one.

>>60856943
Christ. Even at minimum wages, an hour or two of work will buy you an amp.

>>60855679
check theheadphonelist
>>60854652
there is nothing wrong with the g4 based on measurements i've seen

>>60857264
Thanks. That's a pretty informative site.

>>60856916
>EQ
You need to know the output impedance of the source and the impedance to frequency plot of the headphones. Rest is just dialing in the EQ. If you have EQ, there's no reason to stop at only fixing what is caused by high Zout.
>Unless talking exotic like tubes, headphone amp specs always list impedance below 10Ω, often below 1Ω.
No they don't, sadly. Not dedicated headphone units or electronics with embedded headphone output. Headphone amp is such a misnomer here. Any device that is capable of driving headphones acts as an amplifier and thus is an amplifier.

Receivers and integrated amps(especially old ones) can have headphone jack Zout in hundreds of Ohms. Sennheiser's flagship HDVD/HDVA 800 has output impedance of 43 Ohms. Beyerdynamic's ex-flagship A1 had output impedance of 100 Ohms. Their current A2 is selectable between 0 and 100 Ohms whereas the cheaper A20 is locked at 100 Ohms again. Sony smartphones and Hifiman's DAPs tend to be anything from 15-30 Ohm Zout. Then there's a ton of boutique gear which doesn't care about output impedance and its ramifications at all. This talking about solid state amps only.

The IEC 61938 recommended a 120 Ohm Zout for headphones as a standard which might be a potential cause for some of these designs. Idea behind that was probably just trying to reduce the risk of short circuiting the output if connected wrong but from a quality standpoint it's an all around terrible idea which wastes power. There are better ways to protect the circuitry, too.
>a way to be sure
A sensible reason for picking up something high quality.

>>60833881
Fucking hell you're retarded.

>>60856916
If you have a super low impedance output all you really need to EQ is a credible reference measurement and a sine wave generator for the highs.

>>60847166
>>60847228
Fiio e10k have good enough dac. You probably need just power. Get just magni. You probably don't even need the uber version.

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Any good replacements for the earpads on the 7506?

Opinions are divided, some people said that the original ones are more comfortable, but twice the price, and the generic ones are cheaper, apparently more durable but less comfortable.

Any thoughts?

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Does anyone know how these are? https://www.amazon.de/Sony-faltbarer-Resolution-integrierte-Fernbedienung/dp/B00F0CQJNA/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1497207757&sr=8-12&keywords=sony+on+ear

>>60854270 these expectations

>>60858470
The sheepskin ones if they still sell them. I forget where. Theoretically they should last a lot longer than the pleather without changing the sound signature much. Velours will change the sound.

>>60832916
this is a blue board you fucking autistic weebs

>>60858607
>Almost $70
God dammed, that's 3/4 the price of the headphones alone.

What about the heat? Wouldn't it get hotter using real leather?

>>60858470
anything but velour

>>60858678
I don't think you looked hard enough.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/888545-REG/Auray_eps_mdr7506_Genuine_Sheepskin_Leather_Earpads.html
Real leather will be much less sweaty than pleather. Pleather = plastic on your skin, essentially.

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Have I made a mistake?

>>60851142
So I should probably get the 80 ohms version, right?

>>60858936
>>60859073
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J53KM32/
Found those on amazon.

>>60859174
kek, a headset.
Bad value for money. Details in the op.

>>60859179
Since you would be connecting them to your mobo, 80 would be fine, unless you have a really shit tier one.

>>60859179
Generally go for the 250Ω version unless you absolutely need to plug it Everywhere™.

This is a really stupid question but do non-bluetooth wireless headphones exist, like a usb/battery powered mouse but with a headphone jack?

>>60859179
You should buy the one which gets you the loudness you need and if all do, you can choose freely. It really doesn't matter beyond that.

>>60859376
Yes, there are some radio headphones like this one https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-RS120-Wireless-Headphones-Charging/dp/B0001FTVEK/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1497211925&sr=8-4&keywords=sennheiser+rs

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>ifi iDSD Nano + Beyerdynamic Custom One Pro
Feels good man.

>>60832916

Are there other clip-on earphones that have better sound quality than Koss KSC75 that is less than 50$?

>>60859320
The only other place I'd consider plugging it into is my PS4, and that requires you to plug it into the controller. I dunno how much power it gives, and I only just learned what ohms are, so I've no clue here. PC is still priority though.

>>60859485
>>60859485
>>60859485
>>60859485
>>60859485
>>60859485
New thread.

Not an audiophile question or anything, just curious on opinions. Has anyone tried the bone conduction headphones, eg. aftershokz?

>>60859499
They lack low frequencies but are fine for music otherwise.

>>60859470
No.

>>60859174
Sennheiser gaming headsets are probably the best that money can buy. Really good mic, and really good sound. They're just expensive.

>>60859198
Should be fine, and with better comfort too.

Velour changes the sound too much. Those don't really mess with the sound.

>>60854069
beyer custom studio

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>>60843799
http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2013/08/sennheiser-hd650.html

read this

>>60859418
So more ohms are louder, or the other way around?

>>60859710
Higher ohms need more voltage, usually from portable devices high ohm headphones will be quieter.

>>60857144
>minimum wages
Found your problem. I'm sure a lot of faggots here don't have a job.

>>60859831
>no job
Stop listening to music on your headphones and go get a job.

>>60859677
I did, thanks. I'll need to do some more testing today to see which I prefer.

>Budget
80
>Location
Doesn't matter
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Medium-comfy to comfy, wearable for over 6 hours.
>Past headphones
Cheap 6 dollar shit

>>60859997
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20170604122955&SearchText=Takstar+PRO82