/hpg/ - Headphone General

Reposting

>Budget
300 yuros max, around 200 is ideal
>Location
Italy
>Source
Fiio X1
>Type of headphone
over ear
>Open or closed
whatever
>Comfort level
As long as they're not painful everything's fine
>Sound signature
I would go for neutral, but I enjoy some bass
>Past headphones
Shure se-215

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Post music collection size

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>>60385758
you win

>>60385849
I think the wost part is that some days I still can't find anything I want to listen to

>>60385863
Me too. I used to be super into music and always listened to at least 2 new albums a day but now i've burnt out. Still have a list of new albums to listen to that i made from back then, it has almost 2000 on it.

I'm searching headphones with the highest passive isolation. Only one I can find are the EX-29 Headphones and people say they are shit.
Might as well just buy cheap earmuffs and wear noise cancelling bluetooth earbuds underneath it. Or anyone know some other brand with high isolation?

>>60385957
Is there a specific reason you don't want active isolation?

>>60385957
By passive you mean no specific technology implemented to cancel noise?
I reckon CIEM's would do the best job at isolation if your ear impressions are done correctly.

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>>60385758
I thought I had a decent amount.

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>>60385758
>>60385849
>>60386047
Plebs, all of you.
Pic related is me, but this is not the largest collection I have ever seen. My gf had about 4 or 5TB of music on her server last time I checked

>>60386054
Impressive. Very nice.
How long have you been collecting?

>>60386054
It's impossible to have listened to all that stuff, or even like all that music. Just because you have a shit tonne of stuff most of which you haven't heard doesn't make you "patrician"

>>60386073
6 years or so
>>60386078
https://www.last.fm/user/ProTofik
Not everything, quite a large chunk of it

>>60386078
Judging by the amount of files, it's probably all
24/96 or 24/192

>>60386084
>>60386086
hmm, fair game. I guess it also depends on people's habits in terms of collecting music (and the file types). I mostly use streaming and i really like an album i buy it. So my collection is all albums i love and have heard.

>>60386111
Yeah see I'm the opposite, living in Australia means that most of Spotify (for example) is geo-blocked; and I can't afford the amount of music I have so I have to torrent it

>>60378733
Didn't see your post until just now. I'll use it for the next thread if you'd like.

>>60386128
Yeah i'm an aussie too. I find that between spotify and youtube i can find stuff most of the time. That said i have made a few blind purchases.
But i have noticed that a few albums i used to listen to on spotify have dissapeared.

>>60386172
One thing I always wanted when I was using Spotify was to use a third-party Music player. Having the freedom to customize Foobar, AIMP or MusicBee to your hearts content is so much nicer than the awfully dull player Spotify uses. I could never go back

>>60385640
HD650

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>>60386086
Most of it is flac or other lossless format + cue, which is why the number of files is so small. Majority is 16/44.1
pic related
>>60386111
>>60386128
I refuse to use any streaming services. DRM, music might disappears anytime without warning, wrong tags, incomplete albums, remasters only, no choice of music players... And they don't have most of the music I listen to anyway.

>>60386206
That's another place where i differ i guess, because i never cared about layout. As long as a it's simple to use i'm happy, i just want the music. I normally just whack on an album and minimize spotify anyway.

>>60386210
They're 400

>>60386228
HE400s

>>60386236
350

>>60386228
Really? They were 260euros a month ago...

>>60386227
If you're happy with it that's all that matters

>>60386250
Yep, I'll look somewhere else and see if I can find them for less, thanks for the advice

>>60386228
>>60386250
They're 309euros now.

9 euros over your budget isn't that much...

https://www.amazon.de/Sennheiser-HD-650-analog-Kopfh%C3%B6rer/dp/B00018MSNI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494763078&sr=8-1&keywords=sennheiser+hd650

>>60386242
buy used man
https://www.hifishark.com/search?q=HE400S
hifiman cans drop in value real quick
also check the head fi classifieds, you can probably find them there for cheap

>>60386224
>Most of it is flac or other lossless format + cue, which is why the number of files is so small. Majority is 16/44.1
Oh okay, same here; that's why I thought it was 24/96 due to the size being almost 4x larger for 50%~ more files

>>60386270
>>60386264
How do these two compare?

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>>60386301
haven't heard them but they look very similar judging from freq. response. blue is 650, red is 400s

>>60386301
P.S
actually 650 has a higher treble spike by the looks
both are dark-ish headphones but it depends where you stand on treble

>>60386351
Is my source (Fiio X1 with no amp) good enough to drive them?

>>60386362
Not sure about that one actually. Can't speak for the 650 but supposedly the 400s has low impedance and is easy to drive. But planar magnetic headphones like the 400 usually need a bit more juice. DAPs like the x1 output more power than smarthphones so you could be fine without an amp...
you have some googling to do

>>60386396
>Fiio performance parameters for headphone out
≥ 8 mW (300 Ω/THD+N<1%)
>HD650 power requirements according to one forum post on head fi:
167 mw - 24 ma - 7.08v rms
how do I interpret this numbers?

>>60386566
by buying O2

>>60386566
No bloody idea... i just tend to read people's personal accounts of what they use with their headphones

I'm looking for small (and cheap) foldable on ear headphone.
Any opinions about Sennheiser PX100-2?

>>60386566
Straight from the HD650 manual :
>sound pressure level 103dB at 1KHz, 1Vrms

8mW into 300ohms translates into 1.5V, so you can reach about 106dB at 1KHz.

That's enough for normal use.
The only reason you'd want more headroom is if you want to eq the lows and listen at ear-destroying levels.


>167 mw - 24 ma - 7.08v rms
You'd be able to reach around 120dB, which is the pain threshold. Also the headphone would probably produce more distortion than music at this point.

Is there a way to reliably EQ headphones that isn't a giant wank? I've used equalizer APO and added some notch filters to cut out the worst of the peaks, but getting levels even with everything else seems elusive.

Is there a reference tone or frequency i should be using to set levels to? I don't feel like i have the ear for adjusting via pink noise and it even gets pretty fatiguing after a few minutes of constant noise.

Hey guys, there's no Audiophile general up so I'm going to have to ask this here:

I just purchased a pair of Klipsch RF10 floorstanding speakers for my gaming PC setup.

I ran them through my receiver and they sound fantastic, but I needed to add a subwoofer to really handle the full spectrum like I want. So I had one option without spending any more money.

My receiver doesn't have a dedicated sub channel and the only woofer I own is the one included in the Klipsch Promedia 2.1 kit, which contains a built in amplifier that can push a maximum 200 watts. The original satellites would draw up to 35 watts at 4 ohms. The woofers' max draw is somewhere between 110-130 watts.

The new RF10 floorstanders I have attached can take a maximum of 75 watts with 8 ohms. My question is: will I ruin both pieces of equipment by using them together?

When I hooked them up last night I played some tracks on very low volume and everything seemed to work, and it sounded excellent. I'm asking this before I turn them up a bit today. Will I cook the built-in amplifier in the sub? Or will I damage the tweeters with clipping? What about both?

Help me, I'm a total noob with speakers.

>>60386897
Thank you very much!

>>60386566
>HD650 power requirements according to one forum post on head fi:
You have to set the target yourself, and not rely solely on what someone else thinks what output you want. That is, how loud do you want it, in decibels.
Head-fi folks tend to err severely on the side of caution, to the point of severe excess. Usually ends up with the amplifier being run at unity or low gain, and the pot being dialed far back. A useless amplifier, mostly being used as a buffer and pot.

Use the voltage output into the load. Voltage goes by 20log scale, headphone response is defined by voltage and not by power.
HD 650 at 1kHz, nominally.
>20 log (output/reference headphone sensitivity) + reference output
>20 log (1.48 Vrms) + 103
> ~106 dB


>>60387042
>Notch filters
Normally, we tell people to avoid most filters besides peaking and shelf filters. The other filters aren't helpful for someone just trying to perform headphone correction, and usually just lead to more troubleshooting. After watching people screw up using shelf filters, at this point I might prefer if people just used peak filters.
Notch filters are one of those things you shouldn't make use of for headphone correction, ever.
>adjusting via pink noise
Normally when trying to equalize off pink noise, you tend to break up the pink noise spectrum into multiple bands to compared the loudness of one band to another.
Try making a sine sweep, exponential. May also be called a chirp.
Do it slowly, so that you can easily follow the rise and dips and keep track of the frequency.

>>60387225
The notch filters i used weren't very aggressive, the biggest dip was about 7-8db or so and they've suceeded in reducing the worst of the harshness and peakiness that made them uncomfortable to listen to.

So if not for notches, where do i go from here? I know the frequencies of the major peaks and i have sinegen and APO programs as well as access to pink noise files etc, all i've done so far is identify peaks and try to lessen their severity but i'm not entirely sure whether it's an improvement.

To define "improvement", i guess i want better dynamic ability and better transients, but a signature that's slightly V shaped or close to flat.

>>60387474
That's not a notch filter, that's peaking filter you used to make a cut with.
Don't forget to fill in the dips of the headphones as well.
After that, some low-Q boost up high or low. Making that sort of boost is what shelf filters are intended for.

>>60387619
Thanks anon, i'm most of the way there i think.
The natural sound of these IEMs is bass heavy up to the low mids, then it peaks at about 3.5khz and 7.8khz pretty violently with a weird dip or null of sorts that only covers a few hundred hertz around 4k somewhere.

A bit odd, but a fun challenge so far. Kinda hard sometimes to refresh my ears though between EQ sessions, sleep is needed sometimes before I go at it again.

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>>60385545
>gone through 2 pairs atm50s
>gone through 3 pairs of sol republic
>gone through 6 aux cords for the sol republics
>recently left driver for the wireless sol republic just wont connect and the cord broke again

its been 7 years

i really need to find some decent headphones. ath are build like shit and sol republic just have a jewish thing where you have to replace the cord every few months.

Why not just EQ down frequencies to make a pair of headphones neutral and amp it up to make for the lower volume?

Are planars just a meme? The best headphones in the world are HD800s so they must be...right?

>>60389708
It's not a meme, but it's not superior either.

It's not the driver type that matters, it's the implementation.

Most planars are tuned to be bassy shit.

I have and use everyday a pair of Bose QC 25. There's nothing you can say to change my opinion, they are some of the best headphones you can buy.

>>60390103
Are they able to be modded and equalized to sound good?

>>60390103
>Most planars are tuned to be bassy shit.
Most dynamics have no bass.

would anyone be willing to fix my grados sr60i for a reasonable fee? the driver magnet busted lose i think. something is jingling around in the right ear cup.

>>60389541
This is already a thing in loudspeakers. In the case of loudspeakers, the EQ is hardwired into place or implemented via DSP.
There is some bulk to the filtering components and processors, but these can be made small enough to be implemented with insert earphones.

>>60389708
>Are planars just a meme?
If you are just going to say one thing is just better than other, you can leave that opinion at the door.
There is always a choice of trade-offs to make. There are some advantages and disadvantages of a flat membrane.

does it matter which headphone jack i put my headphones in my pc?
i got like one near the power button one on the back and one on the speakers

whats the simplest way to download high quality music? Where do I download it from? What keyword should I search songs with?

>>60390432
The back port is generally recommended but if you're not having any problems with any of the others don't worry about it

Are there any comfy closed-back headphones in the $200-700 range that also have fairly good isolation?

>>60390678
T70, DT1770

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>>60385640
HD600 > HD650 > HD599 > k702

Comfortable, neutral, has enough bass (if desperate for bass take the 650 option, it's almost as good as HD600). If feeling cheap, go for HD599 or k702.

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>>60385758
storage]$ du -hs music/
1.1T music/

>tfw first pair of headphones coming today
>tfw first movie ill watch with them is whiplash
im so excited

Hey anons, can someone recommend me a pair of earphones around $20-40 budget ? Will mostly be wearing it in the gym.

>>60391159
Sounds nice anon, what headphones did you get? Are you planning on a headphone amp and/or DAC later on?

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been wanting to pull the trigger on the bassier version of pic related, but can't find a FR graph that'll tell me how much more bassy they'd be...

>>60390242
>he hasn't heard Fostex higher end cans before

>>60390242
If you're going to lie to yourself at least don't spread it on here thanks

>>60390996
Why would the hd600 be better than the hd650?

>>60392039
Most people here don't like the 650 because it's a bit darker than the 600.

>>60391462
m40x
if i like them in a couple years ill get some 200-300$ ones with amp/dac whatever but for now no

>>60392068
Most people here don't like the HD650 because it's objectively and subjectively worse than HD600, and more expensive.

>>60392120
Okay anon, whatever you say.

>>60385640
k7xx

>>60392068
>>60392120
More people may prefer the 650 over the 600 than you might think. I sure do, but it all comes down to personal preference. Neither is flat out better than the other

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planarmagnetic masterrace reporting in

>>60392068
That's true of older versions with the black driver screen. On newer versions, the only differences are the midbass bump which is a bit more prominent on the HD650, and supposedly driver matching.

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What does /g/ generally think about these? Looking for something to compliment my Shure SE-215 and upgrading from my M50X

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I just got these yesterday. They are incredible, money well spent.

For earbuds, I use A-Jays Two. Ridiculously awesome earbuds for the nice price of 30 euros.

>>60392242
lol, hifiman.

hey guys what would be a good website to find about new album releases or just a decent music review/curator website

>>60392404
If you want portable they're fine, otherwise the DT770 are a more direct upgrade from the M50's.

>>60392759
sputnikmusic.com

>>60392759
theneedledrop on youtube

and Pitchfork

and >>>/mu/, though that's debatable

>>60392864
I don't have a dac to power them or I would have opted towards the Sennheiser HD 600

>>60385640
AKG K712
not a sennheiser

What's a bassier and cheaper alternative to the Etymotic HF5?

I was thinking of the HiFiMan RE400, but I heard it's build quality is pretty cheap.

SoundMagic E10 could also be an even cheaper possibility.

>>60386856
PortaPros are cheaper and better

anyone use buydig? is the order tracker down for anyone else?

superlux HD668B
Y/N?

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>>60394108
At stock, comfort is garbage with the shit K240 Pleather like pads and wing system. Clamp can be an issue for someone with a thicc head and the bars may touch your head. For my baby head, comfort isn't an issue after I swapped the pads.
Sound at stock's okay. Very midbassy and lacks extention below 50Hz. Mids are clean although slightly recessed. Treble is the main thing that a lot of people complain about because they're pretty bright headphones though it hasnt bothered me. Soundstage is pretty wide for a headphone that cheap. I've EQ'd the midbass down and brought anything below 50Hz up to my liking in pic related.
I've had mine since christmas and I recommend them if you can remedy/get past the flaws it has.

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Hello /hpg/!
I just wanted to pass by to thank you guys for having recommended me the Sony MDR-7506 when i passed by a few months ago. I really enjoy it!

Thank you, /hpg/!

>>60389541
That's what you could and should do if you have the headroom with amplifier. That's basically the idea of headphone equalization in a nutshell.

>>60390384
If you don't have a discrete sound card, the two outputs(front and back panel) route to the same on-board codec. Use whichever is more convenient. If you have problems with quality, try the other one.

>>60394485
wow.
thank you

>>60391444
Seconding this. My future brother in law is looking to me for advice on this.

>>60393789
this is headphone related btw

>>60394508
ama-nee is happy makina liked the recommendation.

>>60389517
MDR 7506 + Auray Sheep Skin pads or any V-Moda heapdhone.
They are all built like tanks, V-moda stuff has lots of accesories in case you need to replace something.

>>60394796
>>60391444
Any of the Sony, philips, or koss clip on headphones that are still being made

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Does anybody know anything about these earpads? Claimed to be protein leather with memory foam.

SMSL M3 vs Fulla 2?

what do you tink about the HTC headphones that come with the phone? I've got m7

>>60395955
Super bassy, cheap build, small and lightweight. It's really the archetype of in-ear sound.

Are custom IEMs worth it?

>>60385545
My brother wants some cheap, but comfortable headphones for ps4 gaming. Would koss porta pro on ears be a good choice?

>>60394508
You don't actually like them like them though, that's just your brain rationalizing your purchase

>>60395926
Fulla2 all the way

>>60396038
At least everyone who bought a hd600 is in the same boat he is.

>>60396022
Koss KSC75's are the same for about a third of the price.

>>60396066
There literally doesn't exist a better headphone.

>>60396202
Is this bait?

>>60389708
Well i have the lcd 2 and love it to bits. They are fantastic if you have a preference for dark sound sigs.

>>60392242
Is that the one with the screw connectors? sure looks like it. Apparently the newer one with 2.5 connectors is shit.

>Budget
$250
>Location
sweden
>Source
my computer (only know it's realtek) and my samsung galaxy s8
>Type of headphone
over ear
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
i dont want to feel them
>Sound signature
i think neutral would fit me best but i honestly dont know
>Past headphones
>steelseries siberia v2,v3
leaking alot of sound so i cant listen to the high volume i want to at night without waking up anyone
>sennheiser gaming headset(dont remember exact model)
rather comfortable but lacking in sound quality
>AKG 518
painful to have on but really good sound quality
>various in ears etc
literally shit

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>>60396224
It is truth. HD600's really damn good all round.

>>60396357
>leaking alot of sound so i cant listen to the high volume i want to at night without waking up anyone
Unless they're in the same room, you shouldn't worry and just go OPEN.
>closed
HD380 Pro
>open
HD600 > HD599 > k702 > HD598se

>>60396523
>Unless they're in the same room, you shouldn't worry and just go OPEN.
im planning on using them occasionally on the bus/train etc so i want to be able to listen even though there's someone sitting right beside me

looking into HD380 right now, thanks for the tip

>>60389708
>meme
>right

Try again.

One is a word that lost its meaning, one is an opinion in this case. Something is for certain: don't focus on the technology if you are hunting for good sound performance. While it is a factor, maybe even an indicator in some cases, it will not tell you about the performance itself.

Don't buy things just because they are built or designed in some way if you are interested in something else than the technology itself.

>>60396357
The comfort is something you'll ultimately have to assess yourself but some models under the other criteria could be Beyerdynamic DT250, Shure SRH-840 and Sony MDR-7506. Shure SRH-940 has a nice sound and comfort but a pretty average build for the price. Beyerdynamic DT770 is likely to be very comfortable but it has boosted bass and treble.

>>60396503
>>60396523
(you)

>>60396580
Good indoors headphones, open or closed, just aren't gonna be good for train/outside use, because they're going to be full sized. That sort of use will damage them quickly. They won't be comfortable for resting your head on the train either.

Just get something else for that, such as the portapro (designed for that, pretty much). Keep your indoors headphones indoors.

>>60396003
Have one arriving today
I will post my thoughts when they arrive

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>>60396649
Me?

If i spent more time listening music outside, i mean walking and stuff its recommended a big headphones? i mean HD600 is very popular here but its ok for streets? should i try IEMS? or maybe some lightweight? i am confused

>>60396634
>Shure SRH840
seems like the best alternative for me when im looking at reviews etc

thanks again

>>60396779
Ignore the fuckheiser shills, get some Etymotic headphones to block out street noise (cars).

>>60396779
Full-sized headphones aren't proper for outside use.

>>60392413
I'm sorry, I just hate the way they look, I wouldn't even think about using those.

It's the headband connection to the earcups, it looks so kiddyish.

>>60396810
>his neighbourhood doesn't consist of 100% electric cars that doesn't make any noise
kek @ poorfags

>>60396810
>Etymotic
thanks i will check it
>>60396828
Thats what i think, for that reason i want to know what are the best options because i want a good ones but for outside

>>60396810
>>60396887
>Etymotics

shit for comfort

Got the LSR305s, want to add a sub. Any suggestions $300 ish? Willing to go more if given a good reason.

>>60396634
Don't recommend the 940, it's quite fragile but the 440 and 840 are studio proven.

940 has a pretty nice neutral-ish / bright-ish sound sig however.
>>60396810
I love Etys but I wouldn't use them because I prefer some awareness.

>>60396884
Not everyone in my neighborhood is a whiny-voiced faggot.

>>60396689
Yes.

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Hey """anon""" could you tell us about HD 600 and Fulla 2? Can you make a headphone power ranking graph for us? What do you do when you need a closed back but HD 600 is on sale? How do you handle your private life with Umi/Mimorin vs your sysadmin/shitposting job? Can't you just off yourself?

>>60396654
Different anon, I'm using PortaPros rn and they don't isolate as much as I'd like (as expected) and I'll be replacing them with Superlux 562's (HD 25-1 II Clone)

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>>60397134
kek

>>60396917
>Got the LSR305s, want to add a sub. Any suggestions $300 ish? Willing to go more if given a good reason.
There's an obvious choice there.
https://www.amazon.com/JBL-LSR310S-Channel-Studio-Subwoofer/dp/B00I08RT3U/

>>60397134
That's some dedicated autism right there.

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>>60397134
Cool. Some of these are actually me.

I'm amazed I have fans. Stalkers even.

>>60397220
"some"
"fans"
"stalkers"

You avatarpost while repeating the same stupid shit in /hpg/ and across /g/ for months now. That was me spending a few minutes in the archive. It' should be painfully obvious for anyone who visits this thread once a day. I'm out.

>>60397220
The only good thing you shill is the HD600.

Everything else (Schiit products, K702, HD598) are garbage.

Guise, guise, guise I just got a pair of HD 600s!! Would the Fulla 2 be a good choice for a sac/amp?

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>>60397134
Nice autism.

>>60397363
Are you sure you do need an amp? As long as you can listen to the intended level without audible distortion, you shouldn't need one.

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>>60397332
But you bothered doing that, which is kinda cute.

Sure enough, I'll make things more fun for you from now on.

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>>60397363
>sac
WTF is that even?

>>60397451
Serial to Analog Converter, duh

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>>60397488
So a PAC would be a Parallel to Analog Converter?

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>>60397419
>>60397220
>>60397332
you're both autistic get back to bitching about headphones

>>60397510
You got it friendo!

>>60397552
:^)

>>60386001
CIEMs isolate less than deep insert IEMs like Etys. CIEMs are about on par with universals.

Fulla 2 is a pretty bad amp, as a DAC it's pretty good but as an amp it's far inferior to the magni.

>>60397692
As a standalone amp, the Fulla2 is pretty meh. As a DACamp combo, it's probably the best within $100 USD.

>>60397721
It's more like $110-$120 considering shipping. There are no better units out there in terms of purely dac performance in the same price range as far as I am aware.

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>>60397692
Amp is good... for something usb2-powered.

USB2 spec is 500mA per port. Despite that, the amp manages to deliver a reasonable amount of power even to high impedance loads. Far more than, say, an e10k. And it's transparent (flat), where e10k manages to mangle bass, regardless of bass boost switch position.

For most headphones out there, except for some special snowflakes, the Fulla2 is more than enough. Its extra inputs and outputs ensure that's all you'll ever need.

>>60397721
If the DAC-X3 or X-6 let you bypass the DAC itd be god tier.
X-3 is incredibly good as an amp and if it could be stacked with a Modi that would be great: About $130 for something on par with the $200 schiit stack and more power than the Fulla 2.

>>60397828
>where e10k manages to mangle bass, regardless of bass boost switch position.
Don't spread misinformation, you retard.

>>60397828
It's less transparent than the magni, somehow. Considering the magni is a dedicated amp, that is to be expected, but even still.

>>60397828
Fuck off anime posting retard

>>60397843
Besides reviews you can find anywhere, there's an anon around that has actually compared both (and posted a pic of both side to side). e10k is flawed.

But I'd discard it for a different reason, no aux inputs or outputs. Meh.

>>60397855
I've got both. Unless volume knob is past healthy levels (over 3 o'clock), the Fulla 2 seems indistinguishable from the magni2.

I use the magni2 on low gain, which is more or less covering the "under 3 o'clock range", and that's plenty for my HD600.

>>60397922
I can't tell the difference on my HD600 either, but on lower impedance loads I can. It's quite strange.

>>60397937
HD598 and HD380 sound the same to me... I can only tell on the HD600. I don't even. Audio such a PITA in general.

>>60397855
>>60397887
Don't spread misinformation, you retard(s).

>>60397692
>>60397721
>>60397828
>>60397855

Using the Fulla 2 as DAC and amp right now, Magni 2 U coming Tuesday and then the Fulla 2 will just be DAC and preamp. Very curious to see how they'll compare.

For people ask why: going to use Fulla 2 for active speakers, Magni for headphones only. Yes, I know I could just unplug headphones to switch, but I'd rather not.

>>60397967
I get it, you have an e10k and you love it. And that's fine. In EU it's even considerably cheaper than schiit's shit, so better value too.
>>60397979
That'll be fun. My tests are also with fulla2 output chained to the magni2u, although I've tested modi vs fulla too, and they sound identical to me :X
>unplug headphones to switch
The preamp outs are pretty much the point to the uber magni2. Unless you care about the slightly more power or different metal. The jack's definitely made to tolerate a lot of activity. I got mine with LSR305 on mind, on my future apartment. For now it's headphones only.

>>60398037
>I get it, you have an e10k and you love it. And that's fine. In EU it's even considerably cheaper than schiit's shit, so better value too.
I have a Benchmark DAC1. Don't assume what I own, retard.

>>60398056
>Benchmark DAC1
>sounds the same as a ODAC
Why waste the money?

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>>60398056
>Benchmark DAC1 $1k
*chuckle*

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>this thread

>Budget
<80 USD
>Location
Chile
>Source
Moto E2
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Sound signature
Neutral to slightly bassy
>Past headphones
Etymotic HF5 (lacked a bit of bass)
Philips SHE3590 (way too much bass and treble)

I was thinking of buying the HiFiMan RE400, but I heard it's build quality is pretty cheap. How true is this? How are the bass, treble and mids when compared to the Etymotic HF5?

I was also thinking of buying the SoundMagic E10 as an even cheaper alternative. Is it very V-shaped though?

>>60398076
>>60398089
I had it before the ODAC even existed, retard(s).

If one wanted a product that was proven to be neutral back then (with the research to back it up), you would buy a DAC1, assuming you weren't poor. Flat FR, low noise, low distortion, low output impedance on the headphone output.

>>60398102
Build quality is really bad but if you treat it like a baby, it would be fine.

>>60397835
>X-6
I think I'll pick this up over a Magni2+HifiMedly USB DAC since I won't use speakers ever.

>>60398195
Did you find measurements for it?

>>60398139
>I had it before the ODAC even existed, retard(s).
I don't even want to think about for how much, if it costs $1000 now.

Such audiophoolery.

>>60398173
Not going to risk it then.
Any alternatives?

>>60396357
DT770 pro 80 ohm is what you want.
Best value closed headphone under $300.

Only thing HD380 is good at is passive noise isolation.
I'd rather use CB-1 or m40x with new pads for that, and then get something open for when you don't mind the leakage.

>>60398279
>Only thing HD380 is good at is passive noise isolation.

I got these after they were shilled so much. I paid about 50% of retail for new ones so I'm not upset, but I wouldn't strongly suggest them. HD598Cs are more comfortable and typically cheaper, sound quality about the same, more bass emphasis from the HD380.

HD380s are more portable - they fold down and come with a case, so there's that.

>>60396779
Creative Aurvana Live are decent to use outdoors.
Good sound, warm signature, but they dont isolate a ton. That's a plus for me since you can still hear your surroundings.

Otherwise iem's are your best bet for max isolation. Maybe a cheap on ear like jvc flats.

>>60398102
Carbo Tenore are the best IEM's under $50 I've heard.

Get some foam tips and they're great.

>>60398279
>>60398334
Just save up for PM3s. It's sort of ridiculous how everything under 400 shekels has one or two major flaws.

>>60398334
>Comparing Sennheisers to Sennheisers

>>60398334
>HD598Cs are more comfortable and typically cheaper, sound quality about the same, more bass emphasis from the HD380.
AIUI the Cs (vs HD380) are less isolating (in exchange for that comfort) and less neutral.

>>60398206
Shit, I forgot there's DAC meaaurements. I was absolutely sold on the power output though. I'll see if I can find any.

>>60398487
>I was sold on the power output.
I wasn't able to find a table of the output at different load impedance values either. It's sadly not possible to directly extrapolate, either.

>>60398334
HD380 is bassy. 598 CS not so much.

>>60398529
You are still a complete moron.

>>60398529
>>60398206
Shit I meant the X6. I did find Measurements on the X3's dac though (I think)
www.qsi.net/om3cph/sb/CM108_DataSheet_v1.6.pdf

>>60397835
There's a standalone AMP version of the X6 called the PH-A1

>>60398546
>You are still a complete moron.
By knowing power output at, say, 300 ohm, it's not possible to know it at 16 ohm.
For instance, for these relevant, well-shilled devices:
>fulla1
16 ohms: 250mW RMS per channel
300 ohms: 40mW RMS per channel
>fulla2
16 Ohms: 550mW RMS per channel
300 ohms: 40mW RMS per channel
This follows with other devices from other brands. And when tubes are involved, it can get even more funny.

>>60398611
FX PH-A1*

>>60398576
A lot of motherboards have good DAC chips in them and still manage to sound badly. The DAC chip isn't everything.

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HD598 CS:
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sennheiser/hd-598-cs

HD380 Pro
http://en.goldenears.net/13496

Rtings has their in house curve. Goldenears does as well. Compensation is simple enough.

>>60398139
Can you post pics? Not trying to be a proofster but I am legit interested in such an expensive and rather professional device. How it compares to other apmps? Can you hear a difference?

>>60398785
>Can you post pics?
No.
>How it compares to other apmps?
Sounds the same as any non-shit device. My Z97 ALC1150 motherboard sounds the same with high impedance headphones as it does with the DAC1.
>Can you hear a difference?
No.

>>60398819
Why the buck did you get it then?

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>Budget
$150 ish
>Location
California
>Source
PC, occasionally smartphone maybe
>Type of headphone
full
>Open or closed
either
>Comfort level
8/10 +
>Sound signature
prefer neutral I think, though v-shaped is aan option
>Past headphones
Plantronics gamescom headsets that aren't very good, samsung earbuds

Ive been looking at pic related for $150, an m50x with a fiio A3, though I am not sure if I would need a DAC as well or if just the amp would be fine? Im really liking the swivel on the cans and that they have a decent bluetooth adapter, which is a huge plus being able to go cordless.

>>60398990
see:
>>60398139

>>60398990
They didn't. Else they would post pics. Full of shit they are.

>>60399017
Lake People, made since 1986 by a company geared toward professional use and don't cost 1k. You are either retard or lying.

>>60399015
Custom Studio/DT770 80, HM5

>>60398056
Post timestamped pic.

>>60399097
Acquiring these DACs/amps are difficult in the US, and the DAC1 only cost me about $700 used because many dumb audiophiles were reselling their used units.

>>60398611
Neat
>>60398089
Go away

So, I repaired my HD 598s after following the advice of some anons to "just fix it ffs" instead of dropping $300 on some M1060s. I discovered two things: 1. Soldering a TRS connector is a motherfucking son of a bitch. And 2. Sennheiser gimps their headphones hardcore with the cables they put in them. They're only like a hair thick. So even if you use aftermarket cables connecting to your headphones, you're still going to be bottlenecked by the little shit 34 AWG cables they put in them. After completely recabling the 598s they sound leagues and miles better.

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>>60399305
>$1k dac

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>>60399309
>After completely recabling the 598s they sound leagues and miles better.

>>60399309
Glad the repair worked well for you, anon.

>>60399332
DACs are placebo
Go away

>>60399309
I doubt the cabling matters that much when the actual voice coil is hair thin. 2 inches of 34 AWG isn't gonna change that.

>>60399504
>DACs are placebo
Anon does obviously think so. What makes you think otherwise?

>>60399309
What

>>60399309
You're an idiot.

>>60399534
What made anon think I thought otherwise with his inane greenest. Is he one of those retards who thinks every post is by 1 person

>>60399577
English please.

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Great Thread. We've figured out HD600> Oppo HA1 > DT770 > ATH-M50x. Cheers!

>>60399473
Thanks. I fucked up somewhere (probably in the TRS connector) and the left driver is slightly quieter than the right driver. I'm just adjusting the balance in software for now, because I really really don't want to open these things up again. Especially that stupid fucking TRS connector holy shit.

>>60399511
To be specific, they are way more bassy and mids are clearer now. You might think that those shitty cables don't make a difference, but they do. Also, one of them runs the full length of the headband to the right driver, so it's a pretty long, thin, cable.

>>60399577
POO

>>60399559
For repairing his headphones? That's smart if anything.

>>60399597
Fuck off with your expectation bias.

>>60399588
世界最高のヘッドフォンはHD 600あなたが汚れた白い豚です

>>60399597
>To be specific, they are way more bassy and mids are clearer now.
Or your cable's a low pass filter, and your treble's getting gimped.

>>60399611
I actually didn't expect anything out of the repair except for my headphones to work again. They just happen to work better than when I bought them now.

>>60399618
それは英語じゃない

>>60399593
Not sure a single anon has mentioned the HA1 this thread.
But, DT770 is absolutely better than the m50

>>60399618
Awful google mangled sentence.
>>60399649
It may as well have been. It's so robotic, you can figure out what was put into google translate.

>>60399705
I instead used fcitx for my それは英語じゃない reply.

Finally going to bed. Enjoy some nice idol trash as parting gift.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c23nc7KdWns

Shure se535 red or Westone W30 or something else?

$400

IEM

>>60392871
can confirm, usually browse /mu/

>>60392871
>>60400057
>browsing /mu/ for music recommendations
I hope you're both a masochist and are willing to sift through hordes of shitposts to get to the actual music.

>>60399975
CIEM

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Where can one find a list of good DACs? Seems like the default blindly parroted answer is "get Modi". While that may be how things go in the end, I don't believe for a moment that it's the only good DAC in the price bracket.

>>60399975
SE535 and its red variant takes a shit on the W30, then pisses on it afterwards with a dosage of vomit afterwards.

If you want a more neutral signature but less comfortable, get ER4XR, but the SE535 is a solid choice at that overpriced price point.

>>60400119
Fulla2 (same dac chip as modi), audioquest whatitsname black.

>>60400163
Abviously the fiio e10k and the entry level jds labs units are good in that bracket also.

Anti JDS shilling inbound i think, they publicly pointed out a headphone destroying fault in one of the schiit amps on headfi and were banned by admin from the site because schiit is (or was) a head fi sponsor and is shilled no end on the site.

>>60400333
I saw that being talked about recently. I believe the ban had nothing to do with pointing out a flaw, but by calling the company shit, its engineers incompetent fools and other such behavior.

>>60400378
NwAvGuy was right though.

Looking for something open to compliment my X2's at around $300. I think they're great for my bassier music, but just seem off for vocal tracks.

Currently thinking ath ad1000x. Any other suggestions?

best headphones for gaming for 300 - 200 USD?

>>60400119
fx audio dac x3/x6
fiio e10k/e17k
jds labs odac
schiit modi/fulla/fulla2
audioquest dragonfly black
hifimediy 9018/9023
smsl m3
are all good dacs.

>>60400605

X2's are fun. You can also get them sub $160 if you're willing to deal with ebay.

>>60400517
>tfw ODA never

>>60400558
HD 600/650, K702/712, DT880

>>60400558
H D 6 0 0
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>>60400378
I don't recall him using those words, but he sure maintains that it was glossed over and shilled extensively before schiit eventually bit the bullet and went into damage control mode on the forums; but only after Nwavguy was banned by the mods.

It says a lot about the underhanded tactics schiit was willing to use in covering up critical faults instead of owning and addressing the issue straight away and should be considered next time you think of buying a schiit product.

It also says a lot about headfi as a forum: censoring posts because they conflict with their commercial interests and rampant shilling is uncontrolled for the most part. Reddit and 4chan arent much different and anything posted is a poor substitute for your own research and experience.

At the end of the day, with buying headphones you need to try stuff out and listen to get an idea of what's good for you: if it sounds good to you, it IS good.

Are HD600 the Solus of headphones?

>>60401170
Nah, they're more like Mint.
Hipster enough to not be popular while still being popular with hipsters, yet still complete garbage.

>>60401252
well they sure get shilled a lot

>>60401252
>HD600s are garbage because they're better than my headphones

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>>60401295

>>60401295
I own HD600s senpai. It's just that their fanbase is insufferable so it's enjoyable to shit on them.

>>60399975

Either stock up more money and go for something higher-end (like Campfire's offerings or the Beyerdynamic Xelento) or save $100 and pre-order the Nomad N1.

http://inearspace.com/2017/02/27/echobox-the-nomad-n1-titanium-refinement/

http://majorhifi.com/echobox-nomad-review/

I dunno, you didn't really state any preferences, so look around at a bunch of reviews in that price range and figure it out.

>>60401252
I agree with the Mint analogy. Neither of them is top in their class, and few people find them to be a perfect match. That said, they're both solid overall and can do any task you can throw at them without major issues. Anybody who earnestly calls them bad should be ignored, as they're either completely ignorant about the issue or so caught up in technicalities, edge cases, and flavor-of-the-month bullshit that they've lost sight of what the actual purpose of the thing in question is.

>>60401498
like nigga just use [k|x]ubuntu you fucking retard

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>>60397134
underrated post

>>60401394
Happy listening, pupper.

>>60401513
Xfce is good, but Cinnamon is straight up excellent for desktop use. Last I checked, Ubuntu with Cinnamon was a bit slipshod. Some of the other trappings Mint throws in go a long way into making the whole thing feel cohesive and familiar. That's not really the issue, though. There's reasons somebody might not want to use Mint, but if you think it's BAD you're delusional.

Hey guys, looking for headphones purchasing advice:

>Budget
£50
>Location
UK
>Source
Computer
>Type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfort is important to me, I'm a pleb. Ideally I'd be able to rest my head on a pillow on one of the ears comfortably, but I suspect that's pretty much impossible.
>Sound signature
No real preference, though I suppose a tiny elitest part of me would like accuracy, so neutral maybe? Not important.
>Past headphones
Hyperx Cloud 2, was happy with these until they broke.

To be honest, I'd probably get another Hyperx Cloud 2 set, but they seem to have gone up in price - which means that the supply is dwindling, and there's probably better options for a lower price if they're no longer in production.

>>60401894
662 EVO

>>60401445
>it's enjoyable to shitpost

>>60401088
NwAvGuy's account: https://nwavguy.blogspot.ie/2011/07/banned-at-head-fi.html

Schiit's account:
https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up.701900/page-52#post_10463052

HN discussion:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8834176

>>60401894
>gone up in price
The clouds just got popular, so they increased their price to rake on gaymer money.

How do I clean velour pads

>>60400333
JDS have nothing to do with NwAvGuy

>>60396665
>>60396003
So my custom art Ei.3's arrived today.
The comfort and fit is as good as eveyone says. They are very secure and much more comfortable than univeral iems. Mine is only an entry level custom so obviously the sound isn't up there with totl models but it's pretty damn good. Worth the 350 euros i paid.

thanks to the anon who recommended the DT770 yesterday they're great.

>Budget
$30 - $55

>Location
Turkey

>Source
Phone, Computer, Old MP4 Player (Philips GoGear Azure SA5AZU04WF/97)

>Type of headphone
In ear

>Comfort level
not painful

>Sound signature
v-shaped or bassy (for EDM musics)

>Past headphones
Sony mdr-ex50

>>60404894
One of the best headphones I had was a 5$ chink shit from topkapi, best bass and mids lol

>>60404894
Carbo Tenore

I got my first pair yesterday ath m40x
pretty nice
at first i played the games and found the voices of characters kinda underwhelming but the effects and everything else felt more powerful and even heard stuff i didnt hear before
then I downloaded some flac songs from rutracer which i also really liked
I only need to get used with it since i got big ears and head and its kinda uncomfortable and can get sweaty
what albums u recommend i download?
any programs other than the music player or any other tips?

>budget
50-100 dollars is ideal, but I can be a little flexible
>location
USA
>source
Galaxy S4
>type of headphone
IEM
>comfort level
Doesn't matter as long as my ears don't bleed from extended use
>past headphones
Some pretty garbage Samsung HS-330 IEM's

>>60400558
HD600, best vocals out of all headphones in that price range and I tried X2, DT880, K712.
>>60400703
>>60400605
I would rather get K712, vocals are kill on X2.

>>60401088
That how it probably was. NWAvGuy comes and point's out problems with schiit products, but because he is an edgelord he also screams snake oil, audiofools and slips shit here and there about suing, that's already enough to be banned from a forum by a conduct, regardless of him doing right or wrong. When the shit finally broke lose jude noted that NWAvGuy keeps linking his blog and found it as a good reason to ban him.

>It says a lot about the underhanded tactics schiit was willing to use in covering up critical faults instead of owning and addressing the issue straight away and should be considered next time you think of buying a schiit product.
Only Lyr blew up a headphone, and from here >>60403038 it was Ultrasones Ed 8s. They were a young company at the verge of going bunk, they had to cover it or at least minimise the damage. Altho what NWAvGuy did was important to Schiit forming their policy and an outlook for their products, it's just he came as an edgelord and got removed for it.

What are the best Bluetooth headphones with mic under $30?

>>60398228
>if it costs $1000 now.

It doesn't. A vanilla DAC1 can be had for <$400 if you look around.

>>60403364
I am also curious. Might as well ask how do I clean pleather pads?

>>60405822
Where did you get yours?

>>60394485
What is that eq program?
Also, any comments on the hd681evo from superlux? Been looking at them. They seem to offer similar to the 668b without as many issues to remedy. Im really looking for something to give me detail and spaciousness. I hate the cluttered feeling some iems and cans give me.

>>60407471
That's the Peace GUI for Equalizer APO

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>/hpg/ anno domini mmxvii
>someone gets a high end DAC and amplifier for a very sane personal reason
>doesn't claim to hear a difference between it and other functioning gear
>anons need pictures as proof of purchase even if it doesn't change anything either way
<"lol you wasted money you audiophool"

meanwhile you tools are drawing and sharing conclusions from sighted listening tests and asking us to redpill you about random technologies(tubes, electrostats, "multibit" etc).

>>60407471
that's eq apo with peace ui installed. you don't need the ui stuff anymore as the program bundles with one already.

681 evo is a worse version of the hd 668 and hd 681 in just about every way i look at it. it's still built like ass, still uncomfortable and even more colored. spaciousness, as vague as that is, isn't what i'd associate with this sound.

>>60400703
how do they compare to the dt 990 600ohm?, heard they were great for gaming too

>>60407865
DACs are a waste of money, I admit I got suckered out of $100 by Schiit.

What's a good alternative to a gaming headset that doesn't involve using a ModMic? I like to have a microphone on my headphones but ModMics and related products are literally like $40-50 over here in the UK.

I keep being told "don't get a shitty gaming headset get headphones and a microphone instead" but I like my microphone being attached to the headphones so I can lean back and move around and still sound the same, and also not have a desk mic pick up my keyboard noises. What can I do?

My budget is basically whatever the fuck headphones are the cheapest but still good for playing games (at least decent directional sound and clarity, some bass would be nice too), and some way to have a microphone attached to them. I can get a decent headset for about $30-40 so I guess around there would be nice.

I've been looking at a pair of Superlux 681 EVOs currently for sale at about $15 (used but good condition) but I see a lot of people saying the 688Bs are better for videogames, plus there's still the problem of needing a microphone.

I want to fall for this "fuck headsets buy headphones and mic instead" meme, but I literally can't find a decently priced solution.

Please save me /hpg/ otherwise I'm literally going to be forced to buy a $40 headset.

>>60407457
i live in albania and ordered from a greek shop eshop.gr

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>>60408213
I see. Cheers mate.

>>60407865
>meanwhile you tools are drawing and sharing conclusions from sighted listening tests
Talk for yourself faggot. Meanwhile I just find it amusing someone would spend 700$ on an amp/dac, and I am certain there were some other alternatives to it from company that is geared towards professional use. The burden of proof is on person who is making a claim, not on people asking about it you cuck :^).

>>60397134
I like you.

So im really liking my headphones but I look kinda retarded on them since my head is already big and theyre also wide or some shit
how do I wear them in public when im in a long bus drive or something?

>>60409533
Not much to do there, Anon, you either get some iems, try to find a smaller closed-back or live with your current pair.
I don't mind listening to my V6 on the bus, don't really know any of those people to care for what they think of me.

Looking for some portable headphones in the $150 range, primarily used on smartphone and PC when at home. Is M40x/50x the best option? Maybe Crossfade m-100?

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So I got a pretty good deal on the DT990 Pro 250, at first they seemed way too bright, shrill and sibilant, sometimes (trumpets) even physically painful, but after a couple of days they grew on me, instrumental music is better than ever and my other cans started to seem muffled in comparison and everything on them is now just sort of bleeding together with dulled edges.

Did I go deaf?

>>60409711
no, you are just adjusting to the signature.

>>60408180
Go to /csg/ and ask about the chinese modmic
You can also buy a $1-$3 lavalier Mic and clip it to your shirt or cable. Don't buy a zalmann clip because it's worse sounding and more expensive.
You can also find for $10-$12 standalone mic only headsets you could slip under any other headphone
Or you can do that ~$5 velcro dot DIY headset that used to get posted a lot
A proper desk mic like the BM800 with an arm would be unidirectional and won't pick up keyboard noises. With a mic arm it's even less of an issue as you can bring it up to your head. Moving or leaning would have no major effect on sound.

668Bs are better built and sound better plus they go on sale for under $24 sporadically. The 681Evo will fall apart in a year.

>>60397692
>>60397979


I literally tried this the other day and reported in the other thread. It sounds exactly the same as the fulla on it's own. Unless you have some insane to drive headphones I don't see the point. Don't waste your money.

>>60397967
Fulla 2 sounds much nice than the e10k. Stop spreading misinformation.

>>60385545
>Budget
$60-ish hopefully, max of $80
>Location
East USA
>Source
A USB port I guess
>Type of headphone
Over ear (I prefer comfort over sound quality as long as it isn't a huge tradeoff for my budget)
>Open or closed
Whatever fits the budget
>Comfort level
Very important
>Sound signature
Probably go with bright or neutral, but not at all a dealbreaker if it isn't either of those
>Past headphones
Some cheap Logitech piece of shit

>>60410616

ATH-T500 for closed - pretty decent and $50-ish on eBay or Amazon.
SHP 9500 for open - $60-ish when on sale.

>>60410616
Samson SR850

>>60410024
I tried it too, and I could notice a difference. Maybe your headphones just didn't have the characteristics to bring out the difference.

>>60410772
Alright, thanks. I'm having trouble finding the T500 on amazon, though there are plenty on ebay. Do you recommend one over the other here? Or are they about equal?

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I got these with the new MSI I bought

Siberia V2.

Rate?

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So I fucked up the plug of my headphones and can't afford new ones.

Googling I found this

https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-1-8-mini-stereo-phone-plug

But I'm not american so I can't get one.

Found the same model on amazon but it's 10 usd.

I need something like that, but every other kind of plug I've found on ebay requires soldering.

Pls help me find a plug that doesn't require soldering

new thread

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>>60411142
Legitimately curious about how these are, anon. My current headset is getting old and I've been thinking about getting a pair of these. How's the bass?

>>60411127

They're very different, which one is better depends on what you like.
I find the T500 more fun even though the 9500 is probably objectively better in most areas.

>>60411225

Just learn to solder, it's relaxing and overall a good skill to have (you'll never have to worry about fucked up jacks or cables for one thing).
A non-adjustable fine tip soldering iron is like $5 from ebay, and plugs are less than $1.

>>60411333

Pretty much everything sounds studio quality from them

I plugged these into my LG G4 and the sound was highly lacking.

But they can stand up to Beats

>>60411337
>A non-adjustable fine tip soldering iron is like $5 from ebay
rec me one pls

Serious question. Is the audio improvement from an amp/dac for mp3 320kbps and flac files worth the monetary investment?
I keep seeing this topic falling apart every time it's brought up and i can't decide what should i do.
Generally i'm rather poorfagish but i have a great appreciation for music and it does take a big part of my daily life so i'm considering my options on a budget.
So yeah convince me into amp/dacs using hd 558's at the moment and will probably move to 600/650 if i do in fact get an amp/dac setup.

>>60411337

If you're in yurop, FLK-30 ships from Germany for free. It's around $9 but decent quality.

>>60408096
Why did you get one if you didn't see any value in it? That doesn't make a case for everyone else.

>>60411441
Improve is a relative concept. We don't know whether there is an audible improvement even if you told more about your setup and we most certainly can't decide what's worth it for you. File compression is unrelated to the this subject, DACs are not related to headphone performance and while amplifiers are, there is a point when they just become transparent.

>>60411842
Well, the setup idea is pretty simple, source is a new PC with decent onboard sound card, the music is in mp3 320kbps or flac form for the most part, the headphones i'll use with that setup with be hd 600 or 650, my question is, is the improvement from moving upwards from my hd 558s setup with just onboard motherboard's headphone jack to that of an amp/dac hd 600/650 worth the extra dollar for it.

>>60411980
When I switched to my first AMP/DAC from motherboard audio I instantly regretted my choice. People aren't kidding when they say the sound is more linear. Linear means flat. Sure, I got a lot more detail in the mid range, I heard more of my music than ever before, but it was all flat, boring, I lost a lot of high and mid intensity.

If you want the best of both worlds, make sure to install an equalizer software like Equalizer APO to give back the more accurate but flatter sound the missing curve you want.

As for flac vs. mp3, it really depends on the encoding and the source quality. I have albums where I hear a definitive improvement with the flac version, and others where I hear no difference from the mp3 whatsoever.

>>60412267
That not what flat gear does.

Have had my SHP9500S for a week now. Thanks to the anon that recommended them. I've ended up deciding on getting some replacement pads. Anyone have a particular recommendation? I've noticed most people get the Brainwavz Velour pads.