/hpg/ - Headphone General

Ewww anime op

Maki a shit. Just like Sennheiser.

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Tell me, /hpg/, why are you not EQing your headphones?

>>60158617
Can I EQ my headphones to sound like HD800S?

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>>60158617
>>60158625
If you think every open headphone above $200 retail price by well-known manufacturers can't be eq'd to sound exactly the same, you're retarded.
inb4 le epic eq'd $10 earbuds comeback

>>60158625
Depends on the headphones. If they are decent in a few key areas and you know what are you doing, sure. HD 800S seems like a pretty lousy target.

>>60158687
Pic source pls? :3

Reposting:

Tech illiterate here, my logitech g35 just broke, and I could use some advice on what to buy this time.

I'll be using them mainly for videogames and music, so no need for amazing sound quality. However, I'll be using them A LOT, so they would need to be comfortable, and as durable as possible. That said:

>Budget: ~100€ max
>Location: Spain
>Source: PC. Videogames, music, movies, skype... Nothing special
>Type: Full sized, closed. Noise cancelling a big plus
>Comfort level: Comfort>Sound quality. I don't want earrape either, but you get the idea.
>Past headphones: Tritton AX180, Logitech G35. Both broken at the band, even though I'm quite careful.

In short:
100€, comfortable, strong, noise cancelling, mic?

>>60158625
>hd800s
>not using a superior house curve as the target

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>>60158617
I am but what are you doing there? What headphone is that plot and how did you obtain the measurement?

>>60158719
>>60158705
You can forget about ANC there. There are no good implementations of it in such low prices or headsets that come with it in general. ANC works fine against low frequency cyclic signals like air conditioner hum or stable engine noise. It doesn't help with higher frequencies at all and produces some noise as a result. Here I think it's for the best to get a pair of closed back headphones that provide an adequate amount of passive isolation.

One of the HyperX Cloud models would be my recommendation, see pic.

>>60158700
That's from Musaigen no Phantom World.

>>60158687
Post pics of your headphones with timestamp.

>>60158884
Not that anon but what's the purpose here?

>>60158906
Curiosity. He claims that you can eq any heapdhones to sound like hd800, so he must surely own a pair or two.

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>Budget
~50$/eur, flexible
>Location
Baltics
>Source
Laptop, mostly
>Type of headphone
Full
>Open or closed
Either. Sound quality is the priority
>Comfort level
As high as possible, I want to be able to wear them for several hours with minimal discomfort
>Sound signature
Probably neutral

I'll be mainly watching movies and listening to music.
Currently, I'm looking at Samson SR850. There's a great deal here, two of them for 38eur:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/samson_sr850_twin.htm
Found them thanks to anon mentioning them in a previous thread as high value for the price. Reviews seem to be saying the same, I see praise for these everywhere.

Is it a good pick? Any feedback/suggestions appreciated.

>>60158860
>CloudX only $10 more than Cloud
nice

>>60158939
>two of them for 38eur
(Actually 63eur with shipping)

>>60158917
Whatever headphones someone owns doesn't validate or invalidate the claim made there in any way. Making a purchase doesn't educate anyone on the physics involved or what makes headphones sound like they do. It's completely irrelevant. You could understand everything needed here without ever laying a finger on a pair of headphones in your life.

>He claims that you can eq any heapdhones to sound like hd800
No, that wasn't claimed, but the price point explanation is weak as it's also not telling of sound quality.

>>60158939
I would comply with the SR850 if it fits into your budget.

>>60159000
Thanks, probably will. Waiting to see if there are any great last-minute suggestions, just in case.

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>tfw too smart to buy Sennheiser
>buy a pair of Beyerdynamic DT-880
>eq them to be like the HD 600
>cheaper, better build quality and comfier

>>60158860
>what are you doing there?
Equalization against a target curve (the blue slope).

The top red curve is from an AKG K240S. I measured it using this method: put a few puffy cushions between the headphone cans, try to get a decent seal, then insert a measurement microphone between the cushion and the headphone.
Surprisingly the measurement is repeatable and correlates very well with what I hear, much better than curves from various web sites.

>Budget
probably at most $150 AUD
>Location
Western Australia
>Source
generic front panel, might look into a sound card of some sort
>Type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
closed, fuck listening to people outside talking shit
>Comfort level
something I can wear for hours on end without needing to take them off
>Past headphones
my old PS3 "4Gamers" headset from when it first came out

>extras
not ridiculously long cord
built-in mic
preferably noise-cancelling mic too, so people don't here me breathing and typing

>>60158939
Why two? Also it doesn't come with velour like:

https://www.thomann.de/gb/samson_sr850.htm

>>60159196
>not EQing $5 earbuds to sound like HD600
Faggot

>>60159381
HyperX Cloud

>>60159233
The seal is definitely optimistic. What was the cushion made out of? Did you put the mic through it? That upper midrange gain around 2-3 kHz seems odd, too low in Q and a little too large in magnitude. The band above this isn't captured accurately on any coupler so I think you would do better by equalizing by ear using sine sweeps.

>>60158687
>Exactly the same
[citation needed]

I've grown tired of having this shitty little tripod bullshit on my desk, so I want to find a decent & cheap mic arm, and probably a shock mount/pop filter

>>60158625
No you can't, neither you can EQ HD800 to sound like HD600. I tried, it didn't work.

>>60158687
>>60159000
Typical response of a clueless person that thinks he knows the 'theory'.

>>60159610
>No you can't, neither you can EQ HD800 to sound like HD600. I tried, it didn't work.
You're just shit at EQing.

>>60159610
>I tried, it didn't work.
Well that's it then. All the data we need. EQ fags BTFO.

>>60159610
You sound very smart.

>>60159448
>Why two?
I have someone to share the other pair with, and it's such a great deal.
I feel like velour would take much more effort to keep clean. Is it that much more comfortable? I'm pretty sure I'm getting the batch of two, though. Are the ear cushions changeable? I've never done that.

>>60159675
>This comeback
Why is it so low effort?

>>60159780
Did you honestly expect anything more in return after not arguing against any points made, resorting into calling someone "clueless" and acting as if your own experience constituted as proof of something?

>>60159703
>Is it that much more comfortable? I'm pretty sure I'm getting the batch of two, though. Are the ear cushions changeable? I've never done that.
It's more comfortable but it's not that the faux leather is uncomfortable. And yes, it can be changed.

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>>60158700
Koito is literally me. Literally me. No other character can come close to relating to me like this. There is no way you can convince me that Koito is not me. Koito could not possibly be anymore me. She is me, and nobody can convince me otherwise. If anyone approached me on the topic of Koito not possibly being me, then I immediately shut them down with overwhelming evidence that Koito is me. Koito is me, it is indisputable. Why anyone would try to argue that Koito is not me is beyond me. If you held two pictures of me and Koito side by side, you’d see no difference. I can safely look at Koito every day and say “Yup, that’s me”. I can practically see Koito every time I look at myself in the mirror. I go outside and people stop me to comment how similar I look and act to Koito. I chuckle softly as I’m assured everyday Koito is me in every way. I can smile each time I get out of bed every morning knowing that I’ve found my identity with Koito and I know my place in this world. It’s really quite funny how similar Koito is to me, it’s almost like we’re identical twins. When I first saw Koito, I had an existential crisis. What if Koito was the real me and I was the fictional being. What if Koito actual became aware of my existence? Did she have the ability to become self aware herself?

>>60160054
You couldn't be any less Koito if you tried.

>>60159473
>The seal is definitely optimistic
True, what happens bellow 50Hz is probably a bit fucked up.
>What was the cushion made out of?
A mix of wool and foam, densely packed.
>Did you put the mic through it?
Nope, I inserted it sideways. It's shaped like a long, thin stick so it won't disrupt the pseudo-seal too much.
>That upper midrange gain around 2-3 kHz seems odd
Blame AKG desu.
>The band above this isn't captured accurately on any coupler so I think you would do better by equalizing by ear using sine sweeps.
I already tried in the past, but I'm getting more repeatable and ultimately pleasant results with measurements.

>>60159610
>I tried, it didn't work.
SEAN OLIVE ON SUICIDE WATCH

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>/v/ discussing headphones

>>>/v/375603794

>>60159877
This one >>60158687 just outright claims that "If you think every open headphone above $200 retail price by well-known manufacturers can't be eq'd to sound exactly the same, you're retarded.", implying that every headphone above 200$ can be EQ to sound EXACTLY the same. There are no points here, just something pulled out of the ass.

Then there is this one >>60159000 that even worse. Your typical imageboard tier argument with lots of fancy words and empty claims. Involving your also typical "u don't know shit, because you don't know how it works', without actually explaining anything and making an empty claim that "you could understand everything needed here without ever laying a finger on a pair of headphones in your life" without giving any arguments on the actual debate of EQ.

>>60159877
>Did you honestly expect anything more in return after not arguing against any points made, resorting into calling someone "clueless" and acting as if your own experience constituted as proof of something?
There are no points made, those are just assumptions pulled out of the ass with no backing nor even an explanation. One's experience is much better than just empty assumptions based on nothing. Also, next time you come to the restaurant and your soup tastes like sour shit chef will say "lol, where are de proofs? Your experience is subjective and does not constitutes as a proof, show me a chemical analysis that can pinpoint that the amount of the acidic components in that soup is higher than a standard norm and then we will argue on what is a standard"

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Here is a pic, HD600 driver and HD800 driver. They are different structurally, and you can't EQ them to sound alike. There is a resonance at 5-6k that is impossible to EQ out completely, nor can you EQ the way sound waves are formed.
>http://rinchoi.blogspot.de/2012/12/sennheiser-hd800-part3-in-depth.html
>While the overall sound signature can be altered with modifications, it is virtually impossible to totally eliminate the peak.

So next time at least research if you can't get your hands on the actual thing to test instead of shitting up the thread.

Is the HD800S worth the $700 premium over normal HD800? I've been thinking of upgrading from my 5-years old HD600 lately...

>>60160760
>While the overall sound signature can be altered with modifications, it is virtually impossible to totally eliminate the peak.
He never mentioned EQ. It can be EQed out.

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>>60160721
>show me a chemical analysis that can pinpoint that the amount of the acidic components in that soup is higher than a standard norm and then we will argue on what is a standard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH
Must suck being a middle school dropout.

>>60160760
delet this

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>>60160764
It's worse. Just wait for the HD820.

>>60160810
Oke, another empty claim backed by nothing, you have to try harder.
>>60160817
It was an example of how people go full retard and disregard any experiance because it's not backed by something. Except that in my case it was.

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Should I get refurbished hyperx cloud cores (35$) or some superluxes? Want to get superluxes since I already have a mic, but I'm concerned about the comfort. Only want them for gaming.

>>60159381
Status CB-1 + Boom pro or any 3.5 aux cable with a mic.

>Budget: ~100€
>Location: Germany
>Source: android phone, Windows laptop
>Type: iems
>Comfort Level: as comfortable as possible
>Sound Signature: balanced / neutral, I'd go for a little warm too
>Past Headphones: Sennheiser cx300ii

I gave my cx300ii to my brother and to have an excuse to buy new iems

Thanks in advance guys

Im looking for open headphones under 150€ (160$) with a detachable cable
Ive done research and I've narrowed it down to sennheiser HD 558 and Philips shp9500. 558 cost 20 more than shp9500, is there a noticeable difference?
Also id like to know which cables are compatible with these headphones, i looked but couldnt find anything. Are they both locked to propietary cables or any random cable is fine?

Can someone recommend me a cheap usb DAC to use with a laptop? I already have an amplifier
I need a USB one because my phone input on the laptop is shot

>>60158719
HD380 Pro.

-32dB isolation, neutral (although a bit higher bass) target, comfortable AF, sounds great, durable, detachable cable, works with any source (amp still helps if you like it real loud), within budget.

>>60161700
What shops are you looking at?

With that budget, you can get something better if you have some patience. Link related.

https://de.camelcamelcamel.com/Sennheiser-HD-598-ohrumschlie%C3%9Fender-Kopfh%C3%B6rer-beige/product/B0042A8CW2

>Budget: 400 PLN max
>Location: Poland. You can compare prices here: http://www.ceneo.pl/
>Source: PC, phone. Used for basically everything; watching movies, listening to music, gaming.
>Type: Full sized, closed
>Comfort: It's more important than sound quality for me.

>>60161811
Recently a friend brought this cute thing to a micro meet. It sounds better than the Fulla 2 to me desu.

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Breeze-audio-SE2-ES9018-ES9018K2M-USB-decoder-HIFI-audio-card-DAC-headphone/331129_32670431982.html

There is a couple of versions, this Sabre one is the one that I tried.

>>60161700
>>60161922
Cheaper right now:
https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Sennheiser-HD-598-Over-Ear-Headphones/product/B0126HISOO

>>60161940
>Tries out a Sabre DAC.
>Measures like shit, because sabre.
>Thinks it sounds better.
>Recommends it to random anons on 4chan.

>>60160760
>There is a resonance at 5-6k
This is a housing issue, not a driver issue.

>>60160764
As things are now, HD600 is definitely an upgrade over the HD800. I personally wouldn't spend more than €300 for a headphone, since the best headphones in production now can be bought at that price or even less.

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>>60161966
>Sabre DAC
>measures like shit
??

>>60161940
Filtered

>>60161465
Theyre uncomfortable but velour pads can be had for $2-$5 if you're not a retard

>>60162132
Housing is one of the reasons, he listed 3 including diver structure.
>1. Resonant housing
>2. Resonance shift due to center hole
>3. Concha resonance

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>>60162660
The drivers alone have been tested already and don't show this peak.

>Budget
￡120
>Location
UK, http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/cl/94/Headphones
>Source
laptop
>Type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
have to be pretty comfy
>Sound signature

>Past headphones
nothing worth taking note of


Someone has already recommended me DT770 Pro 80 ohm, any notes before I purchase it?

>>60158860
>buying a headphone that has "cloud" in it's name

enjoy you botnet bro

>>60162689
Interesting. Thank you for the pic, it leads to SBAF forum, it looks interesting. New HD820 has different, bigger housing. I wonder if Sennheiser was able to fix housing resonance without using resonator in the middle of the driver, which would kind of undermine HD800S.

>tfw you love your Xiaomi pistons 3 that are still working fine after almost a year and half
>tfw you want to buy a backup pair
>tfw it is totally sold out everywhere and you don't trust ebay/ali etc

kill me, please

>>60162749
>DT770 Pro 80 ohm
v-shaped, non detachable cable, beyer treble rape.

I suggest HD380 Pro as an alternative. Works everywhere, neutral target (still somewhat bassy), detachable cable, durable, comfortable, very isolating (-32dB), reputable.

>Budget
160€
>Location
Europoor
>Source
TV or PC (Wireless)
>Type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Bretty comfy
>Past headphones
I own a DT880 Pro with a Pro-Ject Head Box S

I need a wireless headphone for watching movies. Send help.

Why should I wait for Massdrop K7XX when I can get normal K702's for $200 now? Theyre both made in China anyway.

>>60163479
K7XX is not K702, it's a re-branded K712.

FWIW I think K702 is better than K712/K7XX.

>>60163606
>K7XX is not K702, it's a re-branded K712
So I just listened to Z-reviews ramble on about nothing for like 8 minutes

>>60163479
Infact you shouldn't. K702 is a great headphone.

>>60163606
No, K7XX is the chinese version of the austrian K702 Anniversary, which is a K702 with a different driver (+3 dB below 100 Hz) and different pads.

>>60160760
>and you can't EQ them to sound alike
Both have decently linear response: phase and frequency magnitude, and both cover the audible band. There's no reason why we couldn't get their responses to match exactly.
>There is a resonance at 5-6k that is impossible to EQ out completely
No, that is what an equalizer solves. You take a correctly shaped filter at that resonance and it's gone.
>nor can you EQ the way sound waves are formed.
You don't have to know what kind of a device is moving the air, you only need to know its response. If you alter the response, you alter what kind of waves are formed, duh. If you meant something else you lost me.

Single driver headphones are predominantly minimum phase devices: EQ yields a corresponding effect in the magnitude response. Equalizer solves all problems in the linear response if response of the system itself is sufficiently linear.

Minimum phase idea fails on:

-Ported headphones as ports are always delayed and thus out of phase
-Multi-driver headphones where crossover networked drivers introduce varying degrees of phase shift
-Designs where non-stable response in the low end introduces all pass shift
(-Room reverb)

EQ can't fix:

-Destructive interference(nulls)
-Bandwidth
-Non-linear response

EQ has trouble tackling high Q resonances(shift on re-seating/inserting the headphone) and you'll need headroom with the amplifier gain. Obviously the headphone needs to be operated within its compression and excursion limits.

HD 800 is very stable, HD 600 is good. Both still shift a little in low end as they are open back, open baffle and leak by design. You can compensate for stable leakage to an extent with a severe loss in sensitivity.

Headphone implementations of drivers(position, housing, leakage) and individual HRTFs challenge the practical accuracy of the equalization. These make the same headphone sound different on different individuals, too. An ideally equalized pair for one person won't work on the next one.

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>>60162147
I'm calling it now. As the HD800 ages and it's no longer the dynamic flagship, the audiofags will realize that it was a terrible headphone.

It's god tier for comfort though, which is why I own one.

>>60160760
>They are different structurally, and you can't EQ them to sound alike
Wrong, you can EQ the 800 to sound like the 600
Audio testing is done by EQing headphones to match other headphones. Youre confusing software EQ with proper hardware EQ done by a dedicated machine

>>60163648
>No, K7XX is the chinese version of the austrian K702 Anniversary, which is a K702 with a different driver (+3 dB below 100 Hz) and different pads.
K702 Anniversary = K712 = K7XX

And it uses the same driver but with internal modifications and different pads.

>>60163704
K702 Annie = K7XX, K712 is a different headphone dude, even though it's similar to those two.

>>60163674
Why cant someone just get those pads onto the HD 600s

>>60163722
Is the K712 $100 better than the K702?

>>60163745
Not at all. K712 might be even worse than K702 for most people, I guess.

>>60163722
It's the same design, where it's made doesn't matter.

K701 = Q701 = K702

K712 = K7XX = K702_65th

>>60163699
>Youre confusing software EQ with proper hardware EQ done by a dedicated machine
All modern EQ is done in software(including those in headphone studies) for good reason. It allows the use of practically unlimited number of filters of any Q and gain and without being limited by any analog foolery like added noise, distortion or component matching.

>>60163769
Same design doesn't equal to same headphone. K712 has a different driver from K7XX/K702 Anniversary.

>>60163338
Thanks anon, I will look into them.

Is bluetooth 5 /hpg/ approved?

>using a tube amp
I bet you use a tube monitor too you retro fagola

>>60163801
You're right, the part number is different.

But it's not like the sound is different. K712 has that strong lower midrange type sound that the K702_65th and K7XX has.

>>60163931
According to some measurements, K712 is bassier than K7XX/K702 Anniversary.

Good headphone + mic combo for sub $100?

>>60164590
SHP9500S + BoomPro

>>60164590
This
>>60164645
Or this
>>60161635
Or any headphone of your choosing with a cheap clip on from Zalman or Sony.
Boom Pro often has a wait time, but there's a generic version on Amazon.

>Budget
$200-$300 if the $300 is a clear upgrade to a $200 pair
>Location
US
>Source
Laptop/iPad/iPhone
>Type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfy

Mainly looking for a pair of headphones to use when traveling. I fly fairly often for work so it should be quiet, so I don't disturb others on the plane.

Tier list when?

About to pull trigger on edifier h840, any advice?

>>60164776
Top tier:
HD800, Stax L700, LCD-X
Mid tier:
DT880, K7XX
Budget tier:
VE Monk, SHP9500
*snap* tier:
HD600/650/6XX
retard tier:
HD800s EQ'd to sound like $10 walmart shitphones

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>>60165343
>tfw not on the list

>Budget: 100€
>Location: Germany
>Source: android phone, Windows laptop
>Type: iems / in Ear
>Comfort Level: as comfortable as possible
>Sound Signature: balanced / neutral, I'd go for a little warm too
>Past Headphones: Sennheiser cx300ii

I gave my cx300ii to my brother and to have an excuse to buy new iems

Thanks in advance guys

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>>60158551
Whoever in this thread does not agree that the X2 is better than anything Sennheiser offers under 10k usd, can get out of this thread now.

Show me your portable setup lads

>Budget: ~100€ max
>Location: Italy
>Source: Phone, Laptop, maybe even an mp3 player
>Type: full-size are prefered
>Open or closed: Closed
>Comfort Level: confortable, but it's not the priority
>Past Headphones: nothing good really, searching for my first decent headphones

I would like to use them even outdoor tho

are the RHAT10 really that bassy (which would be a good thing for me)

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>>60165548

So I bought a pair of soundmagic e10s like two years ago and they have been really good for the price I paid. However they have just started breaking on me and I was wondering if there are any other in ear headphones on the market around the £30 mark that are better or should I just buy a replacement pair?

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>>60164776
>bottom tier
Earbuds.
>bad tier
Uncomfortable headphones.
>mid tier
The rest.
>top tier
A meticulously equalized pair of comfortable headphones which fulfill the purpose you bought them for.
>god tier
Hi-Fi loudspeakers.

>>60165933
TEN
DOLLAR
WALMART
SHITPHONES

>>60165933
$7 vivitars from Walmart eq'd to sound like hd800s

>>60165944
>>60166091
>echoes from the land of eternal headphonebabbies

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>>60165548

Wanted to cop SHP9500 headphones since I've heard nothing but good things about them.
Although where I live (Italy) they cost around 100 bucks. Are they still worth it for the price or are there better options?

>>60165770
Another pair of E10's or their less V-Shaped sibling, the E30.

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>>60166225
>Kid, did I tell you I EQ? Well I EQ. Yeah, I know, I'm a cool ass dude for knowing how to operate basic software. Yep. You guessed it, turns my $10 shitphones into HD800s. That's pretty cool right? I know, I'm pretty kick-ass.

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Bout to pick these bad boys up. Can't wait to eq them and have my very own $1000+ flagship for under $10

>>60165734
What IEM's are those? They look aesthetically comfy.

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>tfw they still don't get how useless are oems

>Budget
Something around the Rock Zircon's price, not much more.
>Location
Mexico
>Source
My phone, mostly. Sometimes on my lap, even though I usually use my Sennheiser's PX 100 - II on it.
>Type of headphone
In ear
>Comfort level
Comfortable please, but most In Ears are pretty comfortable right?
>Sound signature
Don't really care
>Past headphones
Rock Zircon. But they fucking broke on me. The cable in the plug is too weak. So I had to switch back to my $10 Sony's but now they sound like shit after using the Zircon's for like six months, and they also broke on the same fucking day.
All I have right now are my Sennheiser's but they're pretty uncomfortable to use on the outside and I have some spare Apple earphones but they also sound like shit. So what should I buy?

>>60165770
I fucking hated the E10s

zero damn bass

>>60166258
gottem

oh that reminds me, the word has it that there are multiple new flagship headphones right around the corner. you know they are all rumored to be planars and electrostats, too. could it be your endgame? or at least an upgrade for that mid-fi? better pony up for the preorder: limited run in collaboration of your favorite online vendor. shipping next year. oh man, pairing those electrostats is gonna be a challenge!

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Ah man /hpg/ I got a good one for you today!

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Vivitar Listen Up Bluetooth Headphones. Few firsts here, cheapest headphone to date, first bt headphone and first headphone bought from a brick and mortar and first on-ear.

Well let's check it out.

>>60166522
I'll be buying all of them for comfort reasons, then EQing them to sound like $10 walmart shitphones. This is truly the master race.

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Comes with the headphones ofc, a trifold user manual and a 7.5 inch USB to micro USB cord.

Hopefully this is already charged and I don't need to do it.

>>60166296
ER-4PT

>>60166467
>no bass
>V-Shaped

>>60166697
>$300 USD
Holy shit.

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Cheap plastic material all though, pads are no different. High mirror like gloss finish, with greyish/off white accents. Padding is no help, it's just plain uncomfortable. That's just regular cloth in there not foam.

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Pads do come off so you could roll them, but they're so small I'm not sure where you could find some replacements. The China rattle is pretty bad, they're the only ones so far I believe I could just shake them until they break.

>>60166826
>what are actual facts

So I got the M50X and its considerably weaker than anything else I've used on my PC. Oddly enough its the best headphone I've used when I connect it to my shitty asus phone.

How is this even possible? Do I need a soundcard or some shit? How can a chink phone's sound card drive it better than a Z97 Motherboard?

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Head pad has a permanent crease in it for some reason. Also they don't come charged, but they do have a 3.5mm output so I'll be using that. Clamp is on the light side but no complaints there.

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5 months fucking later, these arrived. I'm never buying fucking headphones on massdrop again.

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BT controls. Can't say much on them right now

>>60167038
>thin non-detachable cables
Time to solder

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>>60167038
What do you think of them senpai?

>picture
The only articulation available on these shitphones, up and down. That it folks. The height adjustment is practically useless also because they are so tall to begin with you'll leace them all the way up and the head pad will still just barely touch your head. Since there is no articulation good fucking luck trying to fit these over your ears. Combine them with the light clamp force and these will just shake off your head.

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>>60167066
>thin
Might not look like it in the pic but the cord is a beast. But yeah I still modded them because way too long.

>picture
On to the sound. Oh boy, where to start.

>>60167113
They actually sound ok, great treble but the bass is slightly lacking in detail. For $75 they were a good value but I literally ordered them in December and got them today. Some fucking chinaman had to swim across the Pacific and hitchhike to New Jersey it seems.

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http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/katzs-corner-episode-16-smoking-gun

This is just hilarious.

>>60167152
Oh nvm I was thinking of the thx00 cord. Long day, bleh
>>60167189
Those are the thinksounds?

>>60167231
E-MU purplehearts

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Channel indicators are barely noticeable.
Soundwise. A lot of presence in the mids and upper mids however normal male vocals can be a little veiled. There's some detail in the lower mids but don't expect any bass. Pretty much nonexistent bass. Highs are very fatiguing. About 10 songs in and in ready to throw in the towel. Highs are pretty piercing and you can start noticing some sibilance.

>>60167352
EQ that shit man, I'm sure it'll sound better than HD800s once you're done.

>>60167400
Kek. It might actually be possible. It's not completely bad tonality wise but in the end why would you want to? On-ear, the construction and lack of articulation are a huge deal breaker.

So I used to have the $30-35 Monoprice headphones everyone seems to like as a budget choice, but they were stolen. I got some other headphones from House of Marley that broke. (Going to have to see about making them replace that shit.)

Now all I have is the pack-ins with my Android phones. A set of earbuds that came with the S7 and one that came with the S8, some AKG ones that are allegedly worth $99. (I don't think they are.)

Depending on what I'm listening to, sometimes there isn't even a significant difference between the two as far as I can notice. Anyone familiar with these? What do you think of them? Should I buy another set of headphones? My ears are bigger than average, so I tend to find them uncomfortable, which is a big issue.

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>>60167454
Oops, forgot to add a hot squid.

>>60167433
do it for /hpg/ senpai

>>60166266
>>60166562
>>60166617
>>60166663
>>60166891
>>60166948
>>60167015
>>60167062
>>60167113
>>60167152
>>60167352

>shitty chink headphones are cheap pieces of crap

Thanks for confirming what we already knew, anon.

>>60167454
Well you have to ask yourself, are they uncomfortable -enough- that you're willing to spend $X to get yet another headphone. It's up to you to determine what that budget is just right for you to consider. Fill out the request form to know more

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>>60167524
No problem, anon. I do it for the (you)s

Enjoy.

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>>60163673
>Both have decently linear response: phase and frequency magnitude, and both cover the audible band. There's no reason why we couldn't get their responses to match exactly.

Tyll couldn't completely EQ it out, and looking further from >>60162689 people at SBAF who have an access to measurement rigs still use physical mods to tame the peak. You bring a good point on "Headphone implementations of drivers(position, housing, leakage) and individual HRTFs challenge the practical accuracy of the equalization.", but that's the thing. In theory it should work, in reality it does but often not completely and not exactly as expected. It's like DSP vs studio room. In the perfect world, where drivers are contained in vacuum and there are no interference and no non-linear distortions maybe we would be able to match responses exactly.

I appreciate the response and I think you know more on the topic than me, so I am motivated to find out more. Hoverer I've yet to find such perfect implementation.

>>60163795
>>60163699
I used Sonarworks and tried to do something in parametric EQ copying some of the other's settings. Here is Harman's study on what is perceived to be a good headphone sound where they used HD800 with EQ to match the target response of in room speakers. They came close but they couldn't completely get it to match a smooth curve as evident deviations especially in HF that are prominent on HD800.

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CD900ST still the best headphone.

>>60167669
>Tyll couldn't completely EQ it out, and looking further from >>60162689 people at SBAF who have an access to measurement rigs still use physical mods to tame the peak.
Because Tyll is not as knowledgeable as people think he is. And SBAF is filled with placebo retards.

With the new Creator's update for Windows 10 adding native spatial sound, is there any benefit to turning this on? Or is it useless like most other audio "enhancements"?

>>60168514
It's not accurate as it's a form of post-processing, try it. If you like it, feel free to keep using it.

>Budget: About $150 or so, willing to stretch maybe $20 more.
>Location: U.S.A.
>Source: Desktop computer, might get an amp in the future
>Type of Headphone: Full-Sized
>Open or Closed: I don't know, I have a pair of M50x and I like the way they sound, but don't know if I should switch to open back. I've been looking at the HD 598s.
>Comfort Level: Decently comfy, I'm not picky about this.
>Sound Signature: Relatively neutral, I like being able to hear all parts of the song, ie. treble, bass, etc. but I do like a little bit of bass. (seeing that I'm coming from the M50x)
>Past Headphones: ATH-M50x(past 2 years), shitty stuff, and I have a pair of Dayton Audio B652 speakers with an S.M.S.L SA-50 50 watt amp.(ik they're not headphones, but I use them frequently)

I have had the M50xs for a few years and they are showing their wear a bit, I think they're buzzing a bit. I have dropped them a few times and sat on them once. They still work fine and aren't broken though. I'm just not sure if I should go open back or stay closed back. I heard bass suffers when you go open back.

Why are headphones so much cheaper in Amazon UK?

It's okay to buy there without some kind of a problem?

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THE iDOLM@STER, insane game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SyByLATx-Q

>>60168989
HD380 Pro, HD598, HD600, all bought there.

No problem whatsoever.

>>60168479
>And SBAF is filled with placebo retards.
Well, at least they have tons of measurements and DIY, it's fun to look at them, for me, and there is this by harman >>60167669, they should know their stuff. Altho up until around 7k things EQ pretty smoothly. I am just sceptical of people claiming that you can EQ HD800 to sound EXACLY like HD600 because I am yet to stumble across someone doing so and measuring it, but I am beating a dead horse now.

Maybe I should message Sonarworks and ask them.

should I get FiiO - E10K Olympus or SMSL M3 Mini DAC/Amps?

What kind of amps can I get for my laptop under 100 bucks?

>>60169706
>Maybe I should message Sonarworks and ask them.
Sonarworks software doesn't work very well at all. Different headphones EQ'd to the same preset still sound like, well, different headphones with "wrong stuff" added.
>>60169933
Something Fiio or SMSL. Fulla2 if you like large knobs.

>Budget
$150 (flexible)

>Location
US

>Source
Mobile, Laptop

>Type of headphone
Full sized

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
Comfortable enough for a few hours

>Sound signature
Neutral

>Past headphones
M30x
I like them and they are comfortable but I think I would like a clearer sound.

>>60169933
>>60169954
Irrelevant AF but I've just tried the Fulla 2 with OpenBSD. Works fine :)

>>60170217
HD380 Pro.

>>60161465
i personally wouldnt get the superluxes because i dont like bright headphones.

>>60170295
Why do you prefer these over the M50x or DT770?

>>60169856
Fulla2>E10K>M3

>>60170517
interesting. I heard that
Fulla2>M3>E10K

>>60167454
>So I used to have the $30-35 Monoprice headphones
I wish I didnt fall for that meme.

>>60166258
For all the memeing he pulls off the neckbeard and actually dresses proper for the fedora

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just got these, not bad at all

>>60170694
he's an actor

>>60170514
They're much closer to neutral than M50X's and DT770's.

>>60170514
Neutral target (bass a little stronger though). Detachable cable. Durable. Comfortable.

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>>60167669
It's easy to do the equalization against the response on a coupler. I've done it myself and the graphs from Harman's studies are a good example. It's also very telling of how well the simulation headphone + equalization works for them in their studies. Fine tuning the filters just takes time and the further you optimize, the less important each individual filter becomes. There comes a point when the adjustments are below the threshold of hearing. You could tolerate some deviation from the target but in most frequency ranges it's really not much of a challenge to make them match. Result looks cool on the measurement but doesn't translate into a similar effect on real ears.

Top one and a half octaves is the source of most deviation between individuals and couplers don't capture this well, not even the average. Some of those peaks in the high treble of HD 800 might not be there. If they are, they might not be audible and they certainly contribute very little to the overall tonality. Small changes in the driver distance from the ear can shift the position of those HF resonances. Assuming we could measure this range accurately, EQ can't fix it with confidence in practice. As we can't trust the coupler response in that region, it's futile to fine tune it further. Those nulls are even more challenging and could required doubling the amplifier voltage.

When you stop using the coupler, the problem is knowing how well the EQ works on real ears. There's really no way to know the exact result. Physical mods are still a less effective solution in just about every way, in a vacuum you don't have sound. Non-linear distortion doesn't contribute to the process of equalization unless they are introduced by driver's thermal and excursion limits.

>>60167203
That's quite a bit of deviation. Bob's sample looks nicer. Headphones are not made to match unit to unit but it says something about manufacturing tolerances when we see differences that large from 2-10 kHz.

>Budget
~$50, somewhat relaxed budget. Will still consider ones under $80 within good reason.
>Location
USA.
>Source
Purity Sound from ASRock Z87 Extreme4 mobo. Will take DAC recommendations but I'd rather not get one at this time.
>Type of headphone
Full.
>Open or closed
Doesn't matter. Never had open-backed before though.
>Comfort level
I get a weird skin reaction from a headband that's too thin or tight. Evened out or minimal headband pressure would be nice, not too important though.
>Sound signature
Neutral but I'm open to slight deviation.

Th-thanks /g/.

>>60158617
I do

>>60171555
XPT100, 558, SHP9500, CB-1

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>>60158617
Messing with my PortaPros at the moment on the android Neutron Player. This a rough estimation of where the EQ values should be. Quality values I'll have to extensively tweak tomorrow afternoon.

>>60171555
9500

>>60171641
>>60171742
Cool, thank you Anons. Any reason I should take the 9500 over the 9500S?

>>60171782
I'm pretty sure the only difference is the cable, and clamp force from what I've heard.

>>60171808
About the clamp force, I should've mentioned this but I have a normal sized head but no hair... Think that host for that Hot Ones show. So I need a bit of clamp force, which some reviewers are claiming is quite low or nonexistent. I think I might have to go with something else.

>Budget
$2000
>Location
USA
>Source
The Element
>Type of headphone
Full
>Open or closed
Open-back
>Comfort level
Soft to the point where you can sleep in them
>Sound signature
Neutral but can be slightly bassy

What do you guys think about Audio Technica ATH-AVC500?

>Budget
$150 - 300 aud. Flexible to no more than $500 if the quality is worth it
>Location
Australia
>Source
Desktop computer. The motherboard is a MSI Z170A Gaming M7 with an Audio Boost 3 chip on it (if that helps with reccomendations)
https://www.msi.com/blog/audio-boost-3-there-is-more-in-life-than-graphics
>Type of headphone
Full Size
>Open or closed
Closed preferably because I like isolation and to avoid disturbing people i live with, but can deal with imperfect isolation if the quality is worth it
>Comfort level
Very high. Will be used for gaming, movies and music. Long periods of listening and wearing required.
>Sound signature
Unsure. Will defer to you /g/entoomen for your advice. Games, movies and EDM/techno music are the primary use cases.
>Past headphones
Only one of note was a pair of Astro A40 (wired) with the inline amp. My honest opinion is that they were amazing; sounded great, were very comfortable, had no complaints about the microphone and were quite hardy in construction. They were lost in a move/stolen in transit, so while i eyed some Astro's again they are around $aud450+ and i heard some great things about the HyperX Cloud II but i've never had a chance to test them, so i wonder if i can get some equally great or better headphones without having to fork out extra only because of the Astro brand name.

An inbuilt microphone would be very convenient, but again willing to sacrifice that for better quality and ill get a desk mic elsewhere.

What i liked about the Astro:
+ Good sound and comfort over long periods
+ Build quality and adjustability
+ inbuilt microphone and amp
+ detachable cord. I play VR on HTC vive so a detachable cable would be useful.

Dislike
- Price.
I'd prefer not to spend that sort of money unless it can be shown that there is something out there at around that price mark that would be noticably better (than A40) in quality to someone that generally appreciates good sound, but can't call themselves an audiophile.

Thanks /g/

>>60172059
>Past headphones
HD800
Audeze LCD-2
Beyerdynamic T5-p

Anon from a few posts above here.

Wondering if anyone can share on their opinions of SHP9500 and CB-1 and which you prefer yourself.

maki

>>60161811
Whatever the cheapest one an Amazon/site of choice is. Cheap PCM2704 DACs are everywhere, and measure fine. You can get em for like $6 on aliexpress in a casing. You can use digital volume control too. If you want analogue, control [an actual knob]. They're also on eBay and amazon. Not sure how much more, but they re all the same, regardless of branding.

>>60161966
Link to measurements?

>>60165343
>Mid tier:
>DT880, K7XX

more like mud tier amirite

>>60172059
HD 600 + invest the spare change in crypto currencies

>>60172196
Why are you looking for new headphones? What did you think about these past models you had?

>Budget
110 $ (100€)
>Location
Europe (Italy)
>Source
Desktop PC
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Both ok but I prefer open
>Comfort level
High, I wear headphones for most of the day
A detatchable, non proprietary cable is a must
>Sound signature
I'm not sure, probably neutral. Not really important
>Past headphones
Nothing really, I've only ever had shitty 10$ headphones, this will be my first decent pair

Please help /g/

>>60161966
>It's a Sabre so it must be shit!

Wow it's like I'm in SBAF.

Anyone here knows a solid, cheap headphone DAC/AMP that also has speaker wire output? Just plain old bare speaker wire. I'm from Poland, if that's any help.

>>60173477
K612 su Amazon.it, ma forse hanno bisogno di un amplificatore. Se vuoi andare sul sicuro, HD518 o AKG K240 Studio.

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HD600 is coming soon. I'm excited to check how hard I've been memed.

what happens if i buy a dac, but not an amp? for my laptop

Sup bros, looking for a new pairs of headsets for live streaming and music production, using

>Razer Kraken Pro V2
>Sennheiser RS 170 Digital Wireless

I got them via sponsors but they don’t get a flawless result while working with music.

>Budget: lmao
>Location: anywhere, i will ship them from africa if i have to


Thanks bros

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thots?

>>60173870
holy fuck it's the real pewds
can i pls suck my dick

I think I should clarify a little.

>>60163673
>challenge the practical accuracy of equalization when it's done on a coupler*
That's what I meant to say there. The headphones or HRTF don't limit the types of filters we can use or the effectiveness of them provided that the minimum phase idea holds. It's mostly the leakage that is individual and troubles mainly the band below driver's resonance. While we are uncertain of the exact result no matter how the equalization process is done, we can get close to a wanted target. Relative differences between different equalized responses on individuals are quite consistent.

>>60171551
As a continuation of the the earlier, the results obtained on a measurement coupler definitely give a similar effect on real ears but not identical. The margin of error is individual.

Threshold of coloration audibility is more complex when multiple resonances are present. Individually they might not be audible but together they can. Matching the response exactly is the best solution.

>>60173732
Chances are that the DAC acts as a headphone amplifier too so you just got a device to plug headphones into. Why are you getting a DAC?

>>60173874
Avoid. Unimpressive performance and Audioquest is a horrible company.

>>60173904
i guess? lmao
just be careful with your back

#nohomo

>>60173870
just get the most expensive crap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrr-GAlHzLQ

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>>60174001
Thanks bro :)
Appreciate it

>>60173870
Headset with a mic? Audio-Technica ATH-ADG1X.

My blind recommendation for non-headsets is MrSpeakers Ether if you just want to have something comfy, usable on every device and with a good, fairly neutral sound.

No budget opens up every possible option. Preference to sound and comfort are subjective so we can't exactly tell you for certain what headphone suits you the best with the info you provided.

>>60172167
HyperX Cloud is good and budget friendly. DT770s are probably a little higher quality option but don't come with a mic and Beyers tend to be expensive in AU.

>Budget 400eur flexible
>Location sweden, can use a drop
>Source games where i need suround for footsteps
>Type of headphones full-sized
>Open or closed closed
>Comfort level comfy need to be able to be on for 10 hours straight ~
>Past headphones siberia v2, liked em since They were Hard to break but Thats not a requierment

>>60174097
Fug shit format, phonefag here

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Love my ath-w1000x

>>60158551
Why is anime girl still using a fucking ipod touch?

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What's with the autists who go like "HURRR NIGGURBASS" when people complain about headphones being completely flat in terms of bass? Vibrations are a key component in what make the music enjoyable, being totally lacking in any sort of feeling when you hear a song with intense bass segments is pretty shitty.

>>60174420
Why do you need the latest apple device to listen to music?

>>60174478
1) insecurity
2) hip hop is basically all the same and no one here listens to it for anything except lyrics

>>60174526
There are other songs that make use of bass like djent.

>>60174556
if i cared at all i would get subwoofers over headphones

>>60174526
>hip hop is basically all the same and no one here listens to it for anything except lyrics

its funny how you know you are completely wrong and still want to post shit like this

>>60174655
it's funny how you can't prove me wrong and still want to post shit like this

>>60174509
That would suck haha XD

>>60174070

Thanks Anon. The DT770 isnt actually that pricey from what i can find in AU, around $a250.

I discovered the DT880 though and they seem like a great bet and still within what im prepared to pay. Im prepared to get an Amp since its being reccomended that one is needed to properly drive them.

Anyone have experience with the various DT880 @ 250ohm? Also open to amp reccomendations if you got them.

>>60174478
>what's with people who want to listen to music without distortions in a way that was intended to be listened to

well I don't know I would like to know too.

>>60174478
hello nigger
>>60174556
Hellow r3dditbro!

>>60174676
>you can't prove me wrong

that's literally all you. the music is out there

>>60174817
what do you recommend?

>>60174806
Wow you're fitting in so well! Keep it up.

>>60174918
Thanks senpai I really need it.

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how2fix

>>60175130
by not using pleather

Why are the DT 990 edition more expensive than the pro version? Also do you need a headphone amp to use them on a PC?

>>60175130
get new pads
also why does your headphones have mercedes badges all over them

>>60174866
Kendrick's UU
Isaiah Rashad's Cilvia Demo

From there literally anything, just listen to stuff. You've either kept yourself in the top 40 or you just dont like hip hop so u don't want to listen. Shit, even Rick Ross has a distinctive style. This is not black metal we are talking about.

I'm going to a local orchestra soon. What's the best device to record it with?

>>60175170
i think i'll just get a new pair these suck anyways. gonna superglue it for the time being.

idk they're AKG. i used to buy AKG because it's from the motherland but they got sold to some other company so that's irrelevant now i guess

>>60175216
Binural audio rig

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Are these good?

https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Headphones-Waterproof-Sweatproof-Cancelling/dp/B01G8JO5F2

>>60175319
>bluetooth
Stopped reading right there.

What are some good wireless earbuds?

>>60175187
i may have over-listened to 90's era rap. I think it's my most listened to genre, but I never really got into new rap as much.
Even with what you listed it's repetitive loops that drive me mad

>>60174526
¡Hola Reddit!

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>>60174065
Back to /pol/

>>60175568
>The Superhero of headphone town.
is this a meme

should i get a shiit fulla 1?
is it the best value for money?

Should I get the sennheiser 598 closed back or is there a better option at around the same price? Thanks /g/

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>>60175530

>>60172167
Sennheiser HD600.

>>60175647
Go Fulla 2.

The fulla1 isn't anywhere as good/price.

>>60175652
>598 closed back
No. The 598cs is just a scheme to drain people from their money by leeching on the open 598 popularity.

Go HD380 Pro or go HD599, HD598se.

how do you plug in a DAC/Amp to a games console? Can you use USB, or is optical the only way?

>>60174478
If you're a nigger, sure.

>>60176384
either way works unless it needs specific USB drivers

>>60175568
>the superhero of headphone town
Ah the hero we don't deserve nor need right now

>Budget
<200
>Location
USA
>Source
Phone
>Type of headphone
IEM
>Open or closed
IEM
>Comfort level
Want comfortable and stays in ear unlike my current buds
>Sound signature
Probably neutral

Would prefer a microphone as well. Are they etymotic HF3 the best for this?

Should I get a portable AMP/DAC for my smartphone or is that wasted money?

>>60176711
Wasted for the most part

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>>60173641
Does this fit your budget? I used to own one and it's quite decent.

https://www.centrance.com/products/dacmini/px/

>>60176711
it's hard to say. in general, a "good" DAC chip is not a meaningful upgrade over a "bad" DAC chip. however, computing devices sometimes have really bad noise on the actual output jack, in which case an external DAC will fix it

i would only buy a DAC if you can hear audible line noise in a "good" mp3 with "good" headphones

>>60176489
Etymotic's comfort is either amazing or shit, but do experiment with the tips. Never had a problem with any of them. They will definitely stay in your ears.

>>60168902
DT770 pro 80 ohm.

>>60175568
It's an electrostat, you can easily see the stator there: the waffer structure beneath the grille.

Isn't this just the new Orpheus?

>>60172805
They're so cheap, just get both.
That way you'll have an open and a closed set.

Both are very comfy with detachable cables.
Both neutralish, CB-1 are bassy with a slight mid scoop.
SHP are bright with not much bass below 100hz.

>>60174804
i don't see why a flat frequency-response is factually "the way music was intended to be listened to" on headphones

it's arguably true if the music was recorded live from microphones on the ears of a mannequin, although even that denies you the basic ability to turn your head, which is a massive distortion of the real 3d audio

but if the music was mixed in any way, or was never live to begin with, then the factual content of that statement depends on what kind of instrument the mixer or composer imagined the music would be played on, which was certainly not a flat instrument since an idealized flat instrument literally doesn't exist. you have to choose some target, and that target will certainly vary across mixers/composers

there are fairly obvious reasons for mixers to e.g. boost bass to compensate for conventional speaker roll off, which varies between speakers. in that case a flatter instrument may actually be boosting the uncompensated bass

i think the modern obsession with flat frequency-response is a kneejerk reaction to "golden ears" bullshitters. quantification is nice but flat is demonstrably not the correct target

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>Budget
Up to $140, but if I can avoid it I'd prefer to stay under $100.
>Location
Burger
>Source
Primarily my phone, but potentially my PC
>Type
Full size
>O/C
Closed
>Comfort
I would be willing to sacrifice comfort for quality, but it may not be necessary because I'm not an audiophile
>Sound Sig
Neutral
>Past headphones
Earbuds mainly which have damaged my hearing a bit. So I want to move away from that obviously. For my PC I have been using a Sony MDR-RF985R, which despite being wireless I do like. When there isn't interference (due to being wireless) I think it sounds nice.

>Shortlist
Right now I am looking at Sennheiser HD201, Sennheiser 598, and the Audio-Technica ATH30 and 40 models. I think I like the 598s best, but I obviously can't test the sound quality of any of them. What I am most concerned about is whether that extra $80+ for the 598s will be noticeably worth it.

>>60174478
I don't know why but "audiophiles" suddenly pretending that bass is bad is not new to this hobby and it's always headphone-fags who have never heard good speakers before that seem to be very gung-ho about this.

>>60177047
>i don't see why a flat frequency-response is factually "the way music was intended to be listened to" on headphones
Glad to know i'm not the only one in the /hpg/ to think so.

>>60176711
If you carry around hard to drive IEMs. DAC is likely placebo.

>>60177067
>Closed
>Neutral
>Close to a hundred burger bucks
M40X, MDR V6 or MDR 7506.
Later add Auray Sheep Skin Pads to the one you pick

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Bought a pair of Tascam TH-02s.

I know nothing about audio, but they were cheap, and some anon recommended them a while back. I mainly listen using my phone + Viper4Android on the go, but this beats cheap earbuds by a mile.

Any good recomendations on a sub 60 euro dac+amp other than the fio ones?if the fulla 2 would be at 100euro in europe i would get one but it would cost me around 150 shipped so discarted for now. Im looking tru aliexpress and there is a ton of shit but i dont know what is good and what not

>>60177258
>R32

Nice.

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Hey guys, after a long time my DT880 is in desperate need for new pads.
I'm torned between the regular velour pads (black), stock beyer leather pads and these "Dekoni Audio leather Pads" i've just found.
Which one do you guys think i should get? Will the leather options change the sound too much? The Dekoni ones seem rather comfortable and have a life time warranty so i'm leaning towards them.

Not very eager for the velour option since i hate cleaning velour pads, but i'm not excluding it just yet.

>>60177047
But what sort of equipment do you think they're listening to the mix on while they do it? Something with a flat frequency response.

>>60177686
Not necessarily, NS10 was pretty standard in the 80s.

>>60177067
HD380 Pro.

>>60177067
see if you don't want to buy new pads.
>>60171641

The HD280 is one of the weirdest sounding headphones I've heard, although everyone says they're way different.

But in the past few threads, anons have been recommending the HD380's a ton.
Are they actually any good or is this the product of a zealous fan?

I find it hard to trust anything closed by Sennheiser unless you want something with tons of isolation for monitoring.

>Budget
Up to 140€

>Location
Germany

>Source
PC (mostly for video games and music)

>Type of headphone
full-sized

>Open or closed
Open

>Comfort level
I'll be wearing them alot so the higher the comfort level the better

>Sound signature
Bassy would be the best

>Past headphones
I had some shitty gaming headsets like the logitec g933 and tried the sennheiser hd 558 but those were too tight for me.

Creative Aurvana live - are those meme or actually good?

>>60177067
MDR-7506

>>60177047
Music isn't flat. It isn't supposed to be and the entire concept of flat doesn't apply to music. Flat response from your system does not make it so either. It merely preserves all the coloration in the music without adding its own sweeping and static coloration on it.

The idea is to have home and studio systems as close as possible and the only sensible target here is to make both flat as it's an easy, clear target. It's done to have a reference, to preserve the art and to allow music to be produced in greater precision. Better sound for everyone. Not having similar systems is a compromise one way or the other. You can still personally prefer something like added bass on every song but I think that's just taking away from the art and if it sounded good, it raises the question why wasn't it done during the production already.

Video very related:

https://youtu.be/zrpUDuUtxPM

>>60176711
Depending on the smartphone, the external unit might be much worse than the one inside your phone.

>>60177242
DAC doesn't drive anything. Amplifiers do.

Focal elear vs hd800?

i've got K7XXs
would the HD 650s be a good upgrade?

>>60178450
I didn't say DAC drives anything. He asked about a DAC/Amp

>>60178098
>HD280/380
It's mostly one zealot.

>>60163111
Murmurs are pointing to a closed backed design.

redpill me on amps

>>60178401
Wearing them right now, great portable cans, what I use them for.

I have big ears and they only barely qualify as over ears.
Comfy enough to wear for a couple hours at a time though, they're very light.

Sound is better than expected, if you get them for $50, probably wouldn't want to pay much more.
Overall warm signature, bass isn't bloated, highs are slightly recessed.

>>60178615
Sidegrade really

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>>60175568
Will this one have a 16dB peak in the treble?

>>60179012
i just got a pair for 25$ about to use it in home
should i perhaps get some old audigy music card for it? running from a cheap integrated card now

>>60178615
Yes if you are troubled by the highs on your K7XX.

>>60178612
Why those two?

>>60178615
Find out what you want. Don't ask us. If you know what you want and need models that fir the criteria, the template helps. Concept of upgrades is subjective and not straightforward.

>>60178923
A necessity for audio playback. Higher quality units for more loudness, features and replacing ones with problems.

>>60179166
Doubt it but i also doubt we'll ever see it measured.

>>60177527
>Will the leather options change the sound too much?

Most likely yes

http://www.ceneo.pl/Sluchawki/p:Sennheiser/Komunikacja:Przewodowe/Rodzaj:Douszne;0112-0.htm
Which ones are good? Have to be earbuds and up to 150 zł. Don't really have to be Sennheiser but I need the best audio quality for a cheap price.

>>60179206
That's a good deal. They were my first nice headphone and led me down the rabbit hole to mid-fi hell.

Unless your current source has problems, hissing or cracking, there's no need for one; CAL are very easy to drive so no way you'll an external amp.
You can test by plugging into other sources: other pc, phone, etc, to see if the sound changes.

>Budget
<$200
>Location
USA
>Source
Fiio E10K
>Type of headphone
Circumaural or IEM
>Open or closed
I don't mind closed, as long as it doesn't generate a claustrophobic cacophony of noise in the process (Like ATH M50x for example. I also was disappointed by the pair of Beyer D770s that I tried once, but I didn't have an amp to power them)
>Comfort level
Super cush, ideally.
>Sound signature
Relatively neutral, but on the warm side, with solid bass
>Past headphones
Grado SR80i (4-hole punch mod & L-type pads) - I love their sound for anything with traditional instrumentals (AnCo, The Swans/Angels of Light, Modest Mouse, etc.) and they aren't too shabby for anything else, but they're ridiculously uncomfortable to wear for more than ten minutes.

I'd really like something that has a little more pronounced bass for my usual tastes - dub techno, ONP, BoC, Machinedrum, Death Grips. I thiiink I really like the sound of the Fostex T50RP mk3, but would like a second opinion

Do you need a headphone amp to use DT 990s on your PC?

>>60179319
>Why those two?
Because both are not low impedance headphones.

>>60177686
flat FR isn't remotely obtainable from a real driver so at most they're mixing on "the flattest driver possible," which is still extremely colored. if you're not reproducing their reference equipment then your own "flat" driver is inevitably colored in a different way. not to mention that the mixer is listening with his/her ears, which are inevitably different from your own if only because almost everyone has frequency-selective hearing loss (and especially people who listen to music all day)

>>60178450
at best flat is an idealized target, so we can talk about "difference from flat" as a quantitative measure, which is needed to have a discussion. but almost immediately you've begun to romanticize it and toss around qualitative terms like "better sound"

if you have selective hearing loss like almost everyone or, more generally, if you have a different learned audio perception mechanism in your brain like literally everyone, then it should be fairly obvious why a less flat instrument might "sound better" for the same reason as equalization -- the "distortion" reverses other distortions elsewhere in the total path

tl;dr: neutrality is a useful quantitative concept (though it's not the end-all and there are other important concepts like signal information loss). but it's also heavily romanticized in a non-quantitative way, and i think talking about "coloration" is similar to talking about one's golden ears. audio is perceptual and therefore qualitative unless you're going to jam electrodes in your brain, that's just reality for all artforms

the right way to view headphones is as a performance on a distinct instrument. different instruments sound different

>>60179725
The 32 Ohm variant won't need one though it is the worst sounding one of the three variants (32/250/600)

>>60179723
HM5

>>60179809
Is a cheap one enough? I'm not sure I want to spend another $80 ontop of the price of the headphones.

>>60179723
I also have Xiaomi Piston 3's that I'm fond of, but for some reason the left pod just stopped outputting any audio two nights ago.

>>60179844
Mmmm. The HM5/XPT100 was the other set of cans I was considering, but I was hoping to get a list to them first. They $80 price is certainly attractive, though.

>>60179845
It shouldn't need one since they're low impedence. For an amp, the Fulla2 should be enough for most headphones and is probably the best dac/amp combo within $100.

Sennheiser MX 375 or AKG Y16?

>>60179758
>>60178450
Question to both of you, what about "burn-in", it was mentioned selective hearing loss right? But what about people who are simply used to a signature? We see it all the time, people going from one headphone to another and saying "This is veiled/bright" even if measurements indicate that it's actually closer to neutral.

Most engineers i know say that "neutral is always preffered, but as long as you are used to a headphone/monitor and knows what well produced music sound on it you will be fine"

>>60179723
Closed:
DT770 - v shape, very comfy. Feel like they're worth another chance if you have an E10k now.
HM5/XPT or CB1 - slightly boosted bass, comfy.

Not really worth spending more on a closed headphone than these, lot of diminishing returns with closed.

Open:
AKG 612 - Neutral, YMMV with comfort, some people hate the headband
HD598- Neutral - not what I would describe as solid bass, comfy.
HD599 - Supposed to have better bass response than 598's.

>>60174478
Because often you average consumer grade audio equipement goes full retard on bass amount, which not only fucks with the rest of the sound but results in one note, blobby bass that is fine in pop music and your average rap but makes everything else unlistenable. Bass is good, it's just that shit bass is horrible.

>>60179166
By all accounts of people's impressions they sound rather warm. I wonder if new HD820 will have a similar to Orpheus/HD600 sound, it will make them rather nice.

>>60180043
Thank you very much, Anon! I suppose I might reconsider the DT770's. Amazon's good for returns on this stuff, right?

I've heard nothing but praise for the 598's comfort. The shit brown looks dumb, though, so I was more interested in the black 598's. Can those be modded to sound 'better'? I think I've read that they just have some internal insulation that dampens the sound, which can be removed to basically save yourself $50-100 over the 599s? Or am I thinking of the 558's? (Or just reading bad info)

Any insight to why the stock Fostex T50RP's aren't more popular and talked about?

>>60178450
>>60179758

I think that 'flat' midrange is more or less agreed on, you don't screw with it a lot. Differences comes with bass and highs. Jbl LSR305, that is a studio monitor by all accounts, has exactly 2 switches for low and high frequencies and in Harman's headphones study on what is a good sound target curve test subjects would adjust bass and highs by few db to their preferences.

>>60180301
Where can i find measurements on the LSR305?

>>60179942
Thanks, but I'm thinkin about some real cheap shit. The headphones are 250 ohm and I don't want to spend more than 20 bucks to use them on my PC. There's a shit ton of $10 usb soundcards but I assume they're not good enough to make a difference?

>>60180577
I really doubt they'd drive them well. It might fix any static/hiss that's already heard on your onboard.

>>60180434
Well here are some in the review http://noaudiophile.com/JBL_LSR305/, but I am not really familiar with speaker measurements and they are much more chaotic and harder to take than headphones, but it seems that these JBL follow flat line more or less.

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>Budget
$50-150
>Location
Burgerland
>Source
Phone, I own some portable amps
>Type of headphone
Ones that I can wear in public.
>Open or closed
Closed.
>Comfort level
I have one ear higher than the other, so comfort is a must.
>Sound signature
Solid mids. Bass is nice but I listen to a lot of music and mids are the easiest to balance.
>Past headphones
ATH A700
AKG K240

I was thinking ATH M50s but they're very bass heavy.

Anyone have experience with the B&O Play H5? Looking for a second opinion before I get a pair.

>>60178098
>But in the past few threads, anons have been recommending the HD380's a ton.
>Are they actually any good or is this the product of a zealous fan?
HD380 Pro is a different beast entirely. Most reviews who've tried both say so. FR says so, too.

>>60178228
Looks like HD598se with that budget.

"Too tight for me" -> If you're referring to comfort, they're annoying on the first day or two of use. They get very comfortable soon after. They're very reputable as comfortable headphones.

>>60178923
You should get an DAC+AMP combo if any of these apply:
- You've spent hundreds or even thousands on headphones. (at that point you want one known good source)
- Your headphones aren't loud enough with your source. (amp will give you some gain)
- Your source is clearly flawed. (such as noise floor through the roof)
- Two sources sound different with the same song and headphones. (At least one of those sources is fucked, but which? Just get the dac+amp thing...)