/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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First.

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First for SMGL

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install Source Mage

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First for Source Mage GNU/Linux

So the rumors of the fat source mage spamming autist are true?

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>4 IPs
>5 posts
>3 are about source mage

>>58950494
congratulations. Source Mage is the new Arch.

>>58950445
>>58950449
>>58950456
(you)

>>58950494
Because...

>>58950514
>>58950494
...Inflating the post count...

>>58950524
>>58950514
>>58950494
...is obviously impossible...

>>58950503
Arch was trolling like delet system32
Source Mage is a wonderful, magical system

>>58950557
>Arch was trolling like delet system32
I was thinking it was Gentoo

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>>58950538

>>58950400
>still assuming your complaining/questions were real
If you do decide to do a "net" install of Slackware, when you get to "SOURCE" in the installation menu, select http/ftp. put http://mirrors.slackware.com as the hostname (IIRC you are not supposed to put a trailing slash) and then for the next question (location) put
slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64
(again, don't remember if you need a slash at the beginning or not, it should tell you)
if you want 32bit slackware put slackware instead of slackware64, if you want the "stable" 14.2 release instead of the "rolling" current, replace current with 14.2

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>>58950557
>wonderful

why is ubuntu so shit?

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>>58950557
I unironically agree

>>58950593
because normies want linux to be like windows
canonical gives them what they want

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>>58950557
>magical

>>58950596
this

>>58950596
GNU/Linux*

>>58950593
Ubuntu is linux for hipsters. Too stupid to actually use it, but edgy enough to not want to use Window$.

>>58950612
Source Mage is basically Arch/Gentoo for hipsters.

>>58950596
ubuntu unity is more like os x
linux mint is more like windows

>>58950627
Most meme distributions are meant for hipsters. That much is obvious.

>>58950638
>meme distributions
you mean 4chan?

install SourceMage

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>>58950627
>My Linux is better because instead of I building packages, I """""""cast""""""" """""""""""""spells"""""""""""""

>>58950650
this

>>58950627
>>58950638
Maybe hipster autists. Source Mage takes the autism of Arch/Gentoo but just adds hipster flare to it just for autism's sake.

>>58950657
GNU/Linux*

>>58950596
Why would normies want linux to begin with?

Why would hipster autists want Source Mage?

>>58950674
>Why would hipster autists want Source Mage?
because it's all the autism associated with compiling your entire system from source combined with the next-level autism of pretending you're a magician because you can use menus.

Does anyone here actually run Source Mage?

Can we do install SourceMage together /g/? with screens ofcourse

>>58950704
No. It's just memes. And the fat spamming autist who is pushing for it is probably too stupid to run it successfully.

>>58950721
This. Like all the anti-arch memes, they are all perpetuated by idiots who can't even get xorg to run successfully. If you're that kind of person, you shouldn't even be using Linux at all, stick to Windoze or faggotOS.

Is there any way to use a block device remotely? I've got a diskette drive on my old PC but that one can barely run an SSH server without shitting itself, having to look for files on it would probably be slower than just base64ing files into the other PC.

>>58950748
GNU/Linux*

>>58950704
Yes, but if you post pics you get bullied.

>>58950721
I miss the guy who would shitpost about how his was the only "free" OS because he used his own kernel and everything. that was more entertaining than this sauce mage faggotry

>>58950752
you mean like nfs? or mounting it over the network without having it mounted on the physical device it's attached to?

>>58950748
b-but muh hipster cred

how will these hipsters tell their other """CS""" peers that they are so much more superior than them if they don't run ubuntu?!

>>58950752
Export the block device directly over the network? I've never heard of someone doing that, but I suppose you could hack it together. Why not just mount the disk and share it over NFS or SMB?

>>58950767
You're lying. The only reason you're not posting pics on an anonymous chink web zone is because you don't actually have a successful Meme Mage installation.

>>58950767
you get bullied either way

>>58950788
go through some of the previous threads, yesterday he boasted about how gay his package manager was and how he managed to build a kernel

>>58950784
>>58950775
The thing is, I also need to be able to dd images into it. I'm currently just scp-ing files over and doing it over ssh but I was hoping someone smarter had already run into this issue.

Is opensuse good? Is its package manager good? Is yast actually useful or a meme?

>>58950804
no, install sourcemage

>>58950839
I love memes :D

>>58950804
I used it for about 6 hours and found it relatively decent. It had some interesting features and the package manager/config utility reminded me of another very nice distro. I wouldn't use personally but the only thing really wrong with it is systemd

>>58950803
I think you could create a NFS share and add a symlink from that directory to to the block device. Then you might be able to dd through NFS. Don't quote me on that, I've never tried it, and some weird kernel think might fuck you. Try it and let us know how it goes.

>>58950846
me too :D

>>58950704
Do you even have to ask? The most popular distribution on here is Ubuntu. Think about that for a second. Do you honestly think people here give a shit about your meme linux, you fucking faggot? The guy spamming this shit is just a sad lonely idiot without anything better to do.

>>58950804
I tried it for like 5 minutes nearly 10 years ago. I remember it fucking me because it would overwrite my xorg.conf and this is when it was normal to have to edit that to get your display working properly.

If you like redhat style linux systems, you probably won't hate suse.

>>58950882
>The guy spamming this shit is just a sad lonely idiot without anything better to do.
As apposed to the sad lonely idiot feeding trolls?

>>58950894
SuSE is fucking easy to install. YaSt is awesome. Maybe you should give up linux.

>>58950918
Your reading comprehension needs work.

>>58950882
GNU/Linux*

>>58950882
>The most popular distribution on here is Ubuntu
HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS???
did you hack us?

>>58950882
you seem mad bro

>>58950894
I (>>58950848) had tried it 12 years ago and it wouldn't even install. The new releases are very polished and YaST does have some nice concepts, like being able to save an system install configuration and then using it to quickly set up an identical system on many computers, and a web interface to simplify remote administration.

If you don't mind systemd and want a "professional" enterprise-ready Linux distro and don't want to use Red Hat and are German and a sysadmin, it's a solid choice.

>>58950918
It was not as easy to install 10 years ago, trust me, but neither was any distro. Linux has come a long way.

>>58950918
maybe you should give up life

>Using Source Gayge when you can use Void Linux

shake my head desu

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>>58950952
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

What's the absolute oldest GPU Linux supports directly without using VESA? I'd guess it's the few Voodoo cards that still have support, or some S3 Virgin card, but I'm not sure.

>>58950934
No, you're an idiot. SuSE fucking up xorg? That's literally fucking unheard of. It's one of those distros that just werks. Either you've never used it, or you're just being an idiot.

Let's discuss systemd.

>>58950977
SuSe is shit, give it up.

>>58951000
no

>>58951019
why? what's wrong with systemd?

>>58951029
no

>>58951000
No, because most people who complain about systemd don't actually use it or have ever used linux. Not to say it doesn't have flaws, but it's impossible to talk about it here on /g/, because everyone is a fucking idiot.

>>58950977
It didn't fuck up xorg, yast would overwrite my custom xorg.conf with perfectly valid config, but without the options I needed. So after every x11 restart, I'd be back to VGA resolution, and the config UI did not have the options I needed.

I never said it wasn't easy to install. I don't remember having any issues installing it back then. Just the config issue so I switched back to whatever else I was using at the time.

>>58951057
no

>>58951000
I'd rather discuss Trump.

>>58951057
>everyone is a fucking idiot.
rude

>>58951068
no

>>58950966
I thought Void was a meme, but now I'm genuinely curious about the whole point behind runit. It's like why have 6 (7 if you count 0) runlevels and use 4-5 of them if you can have just 3.
runsv looks like fairly straightforward too, just splits up start/stop scripts into separate files and keeps track of status and pids and stuff like that automatically, right?
is musl better than glibc? is it a way to jab at rms by making the software on Void be even less based on GNU? I would be behind that.

>>58951085
Exactly

>>58951092
no

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>>58951068

>>58951101
oh I'm sorry I thought that since you use a specific Linux distribution you would at least understand the things that make it different from others, how they work, the comparative benefits and drawbacks, etc...

>>58951057
I have the exact opposite view point to you, rewording your post,

No, because most people who like systemd haven't actually used anything else. Not to say it doesn't have positives, but it's impossible to talk about it here on /g/, because everyone is a fucking idiot.

>>58951057
Exactly. When it comes to /g/ it's all memes. Just check out this post:
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S58933094#p58933861

>I like the philosophy behind it (BSD like,modular, user control, also no systemd). I've only ever used Windows
>also no systemd
>I've only ever used Windows

The hate of systemd is based entirely on memes around these parts which is fucking idiotic and pathetic.

>>58951129
install sourcemage

What's in your $FIGNORE ?

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This is /fglt/ transmitting an emergency broadcast, we are experiencing technical difficulties due to some systemd shilling.

We¡ll be back soon.

>>58951057
>people who complain about systemd don't actually use it or have ever used linux
no, the people who complain about systemd have been using Linux for many years before it became the de facto standard and actually valid complaints because it changed just about everything about not just the init process but things that shouldn't even be part of the init system, most of it for the worse. It took a lot of power and simplicity in basic system administration away from the user by claiming to be "more convenient" and "easier to develop on"

>>58951129
xbps > pacman
all made by one autistic dedicated dude
can easily compile from source or install packages
no systemd
hipster factor

>>58951182
You'd think people who deal with computers and IT to be rational and logical, but I guess that's too much to ask from autists on /g/.

>>58951092
>is musl better than glibc
Politics aside, glibc just works. Building a system with musl is way too much work and isn't worth it for internet points. A prebuilt system might be good, but I've never seen anyone here use it.

musl is a lot easier to read.

>>58951209
>musl is a lot easier to read.
the word "musl" or the musl source?

>>58951204
I tried to install a package from outside the repos using xbps and apparently to do so you have to create a private repo, build the package into it, the install it from there, which feels like a lot of extra work. I don't really know what I'm doing though so I could be wrong.

I don't understand why people shit on SystemD. It's a stupid idea but at least it works. Pulseaudio is awfully designed, it's the most stupid idea ever, it doesn't work, and yet every application out there uses it even though there's Jackd which hasn't ever given me or anyone I know a problem.

>>58951220
The source. Compare a file in glibc to musl, you'll see what I mean.

>>58951235
Shitty creator
The sketchy way major distros rushed to switch over

>>58951235
You fucking idiot. People here on /g/ only shit on it because shitting on it is a meme. If you were to ask any of these idiotic faggots what they really think is wrong about systemd they wouldn't even be able to begin to tell you about it.

>>58951182
>500x501
fu

>>58951261
Yes, clearly the NSA and CIA and FSB are all in on a conspiracy to spy on your loonix using systemd. The lack of proof is proof of a cover-up.

Go fuck yourself you shitty troll. We discuss systemd constantly and whatever we say you just deny. No matter how technical, or logical, you simply don't care.

That is why we don't want to talk to you. Fuck you.

>>58951286
I'm loving this new meme were you can't dislike systemd without just being a contrarian neckbeard.

It's modular.

>>58951261
>>58951286
I hate Poettering as much as anyone else, but systemd is actually a great management tool for new users. I'd kill myself before using it on a server, but it's a godsend for managing a desktop PC compared to upstart (or whatever the fuck Canonical calls it) or, god forbid we ever fall so low again, sysvinit. I completely fully understand people who don't like it though, something is really fishy about fucking DEs being dependent on it.

>>58951355
>I hate Poettering as much as anyone els
why are people hating him?
he writes free software, which is pretty cool tbqh

>>58951365
Ties with Soros

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>>58951353
nucular*

>hey guys, why people don't like X? we never talk about X before

>>58951392
Wayland is superior.

>>58951365

>>58951386 this kind of shit is just /pol/ leaking. Nobody gives a shit who he spends his time around, what's fucked up is that he's hellbent on pushing systemd for some reason, and he already forced us all into Pulseaudio which is the worst thing to happen to Linux since OSS.

>>58951235
>>58951406
Pulseaudio has worked flawlessly for me even before it became officially supported on Slackware last June.

>>58951286
>what they really think is wrong about systemd
binary (and extremely unhelpful) log files should be reason enough for anyone. compared to more traditional init systems it's very inflexible and overbearing because services have to be supervised by systemd and therefore must conform to a specific configuration and be started/stopped in a specific way and all their logging is handled by systemd, often horribly. with Slackware's hybrid init system, the system and all services are started/stopped using easy-to-read, easy-to-understand, easy-to-modify shell scripts and services are free to manage themselves. simplicity and compartmentalization make a system more stable. having one large daemon that has to manage all the services introduces extra points of failure and if something goes wrong, it has the potential to bring down everything.
It certainly has "benefits" for certain kinds of users, but I've often done things under systemd that made it complain and refuse to start, the logs were unreadable without using journald which required the system to start in the first place, and even when I was able to read them they had no useful information at all. I've never had Slackware complain about anything, and even if something didn't work I was at least able to diagnose and fix it without my blood pressure spiking

>>58951406
GNU/Linux*

>>58951406
Pulse is fixing lot's of ALSA's flaws. Without it you wouldn't even have things like per-application volume. Stop talking out of your ass.

When I try and SSH into a VM im running on a computer the Terminal keeps freezing up and I have to close out and reopen it. If i go to the physical computer and try and work on it it does the same thing. What can be causing this and how can I go about fixing it.

>shilling pulseaudio
>shilling systemd
>shilling BSD
but
>anti-GNU trolling
>anti-Linux trolling
>anti-init alternatives trolling
nothing related right

>>58951418
This shit happens on all kinds of Linux implementations, not just GNU ones. Android luckily has no business with Pulseaudio, but the rest of them are doomed.

>>58951417
It's literally not once worked from the get-go for me. The problems have changed though, until 2015 or so I had to fumble around with pulseaudio defaults or it'd start trying to beep the PC Speaker that my motherboard doesn't even have. Now it mostly works until X11 comes into play, for some reason.

>>58951435
I don't even need per-application volume, for one. Hell, I don't even need multiple applications having sound at the same time, and when I do need it because I'm recording, Pulseaudio doesn't even work for it and I need to setup jackd, which by the way I'm pretty sure has per-application volume.

What's the most popular non systemd distro? How popular is it?

>>58951482
Source Mage

>>58951454
I have also figured out that when I SSH from outside the network it doesn't freeze.

>>58951482
Gentoo has OpenRC as default, and it's pretty much the only main distro not to use systemd, so I'd guess Gentoo is the most popular Non-systemd distro. 2012 or 2013 /g/ would've laughed it away if anyone said Gentoo would be the only major distro not to use systemd.

>>58951482
install Source Mage

>>58951482
what's wrong with systemd?

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>>58951435
this.
also I really like the fact that I can easily set the volume of really quiet youtube videos to 11 without having to remember to pass two really long software volume options to mplayer/mpv (inb4 just put it in mpv.conf)

>>58951482
Slackware is the oldest continuously developed distro, which makes it the most popular distro over the history of Linux. It doesn't have systemd unless you're some kind of sick pervert who gets off on installing third-party packages for GNOME 3. It is officially way more popular than Gentoo, which couldn't even get 2% of the vote in the recent Desktop Linux Distro of the Year awards.

>>58951675
GNU/Linux*

>>58951664
>asking /g/ what's wrong with systemd
>knowing that /g/ doesn't even fucking understand systemd to begin with

Are you ok?

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Pics or it didn't happen.

Install Source Mage motherfuckers.

@58952465
Just fuck off, your stupid distro isn't good, and your memes aren't fucking funny. Leave /g/ and never come back. No (you)s for you.

No you fuck off you stupid troll. We don't even know if you are running Linux or just shit on other people's choice.

I stay with source mage, get mad.

To the guy that has been posting about source mage twenty times a thread for the past two days, why do you use it?
What is the benefit of using a source based distro?
What makes source mage better than Gentoo?

>>58952556
Nah, I only posted a couple pics, a guy got mad so I posted a couple more pics to mock him, he got even crazier and other people joined the discussion and /g/ did the rest.

To that dude, I am sorry man, just relax, whatever distro you run is probably ok too.

I like the granular control and the options. Having bash as the only requirement and pretty cool package options. Mastering this solves a lot of problems like installing outsied repositories because I may actually been able to create packages myself.

Why would anyone use fedora? What does it have going for it? RPM is ass, with the exception of on openSUSE. It's backed by red hat so you have the additional feature of helping them beta test rhel. It seems like it has absolutely zero benefits, beyond Wayland as standard.

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>>58952618
who mad, friend?

<():^)

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>>58952642
ebin?

I'm convinced the recent source mage bullshit is just one faggot phoneposting half the time.

whatever man

>>58952556
>What is the benefit of using a source based distro?
As far as I can tell, none whatsoever. Having a normal convenient build system is good and most good/decent distros (Slackware, openSUSE, CentOS/Fedora) have them even if they ship and install from binaries. Compiling your entire system from source was pure autism even in $CURRENT_YEAR-20
The whole reason distributions with binary packages were invented was because compiling and building everything from source was a pain in the ass and in 98% of cases poses no practical benefits whatsoever. Unironically recommending SM or even Gentoo to newbies and casuals is as cancerous as recommending Arch.

>>58952700
>>58948397

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>>58952684
>mfw Russian so "ebin" sounds like "ёбaнный"

>>58952757
I agree with not recommending source based distros to newbies, poor guy who fall for that trap.

I don't agree with them been useless, also in _current_ year distros like Gentoo and Source Mage offer binaries as an option.

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>>58950415
Is zsh almost compatible with bash? I mean do I need to change my bash scripts if all I'm doing are basic things to learn more about Linux?

>>58952814
>zsh
welcome to memeland my friend

>>58952827
Everything is a meme nowadays, I wonder what the situation on Milhouse is. Regardless I want to try, do you know if it is mostly compatible with bash without using any compatibility mode?

>>58952859
be careful because as far as I know some advanced work is not, I read about it quite a bit when zsh became popular, and while bash is a powerhouse zsh is just looks but less functionality

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>>58952803
Does Gentoo offer public repositories with large collections of compiled packages? From what I read and was told about binary packages in Gentoo, they are more for admins who keep several machines with the same configuration and therefore could actually ensure that all the packages were built off the same dependencies and with the same options. Which is not the same as having a official set of standard pre-built packages that are guaranteed to work with each other on any installation. Gentoo is one step above LFS, which is really just an exercise for people who want to learn about how much actually goes into packaging Linux and is not meant to be used as an actual distro.

>>58952880
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>58952925
distros like gentoo are actually worthwhile when scales get bigger. 5% better performance is nothing to a home user, but to a commercial sized environment 5% could be huge savings of both time and money.

>>58953733
also the less superfulous shit you have installed the smaller your attack surface.

Haven't even delved into Linux yet, but was thinking that tiling window managers look really cozy. However, wouldn't that fuck up mpv's aspect ratio? I really want that snappy, efficient environment - but not if my anime window gets distorted to fit something else. Is there a resolution here or am I just going to have to pick one when I get there?

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>>58954152
>wouldn't that fuck up mpv's aspect ratio?
nope

I've got an issue with dual sound cards and GNU/Linux.

I've got onboard and a soundcard. I have headphones + mic plugged in to soundcard and I keep some programs like voip specifically assigned to the soundcard output. I've got speakers plugged in to onboard.

Most everything else is assigned to the "default output" which I can change by right clicking the sound tray icon and opening playback devices. Then I can swap between outputs and everything will shift over.

Last time I tried switching to GNU/Linux I could not figure out an easy solution that's as simple as Windows. I had to script up some bullshit and bind it to a key. Is there any DE that allows for simple switching between audio outputs and programs behaving and following the switch?

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>>58954152
some/most tiling WMs (dwm, from personal experience) resize the player window into its position preserving the aspect ratio, then stretch/adjust the windows around it to fill the space for maximum efficiency

>>58954433
pulseaudio is the new standard sound architecture on most Linux distributions and it gives you that kind of interface - adjust volume and output for each program individually
pic related is pavucontrol, some DEs have their own window/reskin for the same controls

>>58954433
I had a ton of problems managing my sound between the laptop speakers, headphone jack and bluetooth using the inbuilt sound controls. Installed pulse audio volume control (pavucontrol) and everything just werked.

>arch
>looking through files
>/lib/ is a symlink to /usr/lib
LMAO

>>58954809

omfg LIMFAO arch totally REKT LIMFAO

>can't just dd an audio disk to my hard drive

wtf I hate audio CDs now?

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>>58954851
>disk

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guys, please advise me a replacement from awesome wm. 4.0 is broken release once again, i'm tired of this piece of shit.

i need essecntially a wm that gets out of the way. i need
-i can enable tiling
-i can disable tiling
-i can jump through windows by keyboard
-i can jump through desktops by keyboard
-i have integrated command line within wm
-i can move and resize windows with mouse by holding a key and clicking anywhere
-it's not bugged as fuck

dwm almost suits my needs but it has fucked up focus mechanic.

>>58954938
what's fucked up about the focus mechanic? focus follows mouse. that's the way it's supposed to be. anything else is just plain wrong.
besides, it's literally everything you described, but a lot of your requirements are true for 95% of windows managers. you can set up fluxbox to behave that way. pretty sure you can set up enlightenment to behave that way.

Which has the superior package manager, openSUSE or fedora? How do they compare to pacman and apt?

>>58954938
I3 or bpswm

>>58954809

>not keeping up with /usr merge

Every distribution does it or will do it. Kill yourself for priding yourself in your ignorance and stop posting or talking to people in real life because you're embarrassing yourself.

>>58954938

>-i have integrated command line within wm
Might as well have an integrate bitmap image editor in your window manager then.

>>58955010
>Intelligence of the average arch user

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>>58954989
when i have a popup in my filemanager i want focus to be on the fucking popup.

>>58955006
I'm not sure about openSUSE, but Fedora has an excellent package manager, that's perhaps one of the few things that I really like about it.

This might as well be a question for SQT, but anyway.

How the fuck am I supposed to boot into rescue to remove LVMs if the boot won't proceed past udev and LVM2-scan despite trying to boot into rescue?

I want to remove and blast the whole thing to reinstall but it won't let me

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>>58955021
i don't want to have a terminal open for every gui program, now go and fucking off yourself.

>>58955079
I think you mean a program launcher. Dont you use dmenu or rofi? I3 lets you integrate either of those really easily

Is it just me or is KDE really ugly no matter how much you change it? I've never seen a good rice of it. Feel free to post setups to change my mind.

>>58955126

I have yet to see a neutral, non-standout, grey theme for Plasma or Qt style. Apparently you can tweak the colours yourself, but there's like 100 colors to define and you still can't get rid of the overly flashy buttons and other elements.

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>how'd you like your file manager senpai?
>just fuck my shit up

>>58950494
>>58950456
>>58950449
>>58950445
None of your posts were first. Stop shilling your stupid distro. It's whole gimmick is that it has dumb obfuscating aliases for common tasks.

>>58950672
Stallman calls it Linux now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QAuBK-hbEU

>>58955218
Agreed, this faggot needs to stop shilling his retarded distro. I generally don't shit on people's choice of distro but source based is just retarded. The only benefit of Gentoo is no systemd, but everything else is just arbitrarily complicated for literally zero benefit.

>>58955252
Nah, that's not what I'm saying at all. Take your (You) back, you tech illiterate. I don't want it.

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>>58955051
a file manager with popups? like in mc?

>>58955079
>>58955118
every single WM/DE has a run dialog though....even Windows.

>>58955218
I thought my satirical images were clearly mocking the autism and faggotry of SM shills, or rather the one solitary SM shill

>>58955252

>only benefit of Gentoo is no systemd
How to spot someone who has no idea what he's talking about but wants to appear smart by parroting opinions he got from other people.

The benefit of Gentoo or similar source based distributions is to easily enable and disable compile time features for the software you're using, retard.
That's a very basic concept and if you fail to understand that then you should kill yourself before you spread more misinformation and out yourself as a retard again.

>>58955079

>he thinks he has to open a terminal emulator for every program he launches
>he's smug and cocky about it while avataring with japanese cartoon pictures

You're not worth helping. Maybe if you change your attitude one day people might help you.

>>58955281
>Gentoo users this buttblasted by one person not liking their distro
I don't care about compile time features, good for you if you do, but that doesn't make it worth waiting for stuff to compile at all.

>>58955293

I'm not using Gentoo, there goes your only argument. You have no argument apart from "stop doing what I don't like". You're pathetic.

Good morning chaps,

I've been an OpenBSD user for 7 years now but I'm setting up my Fathers computer with GNU/Linux simply for his ease of use. I am pretty security focused so will have Apparmor/Firejail/iota bled set up but GNU/Linux does not support Xenocara, so would the only 'reasonably' secure DE to use be GNOME/KDE since they are the only environments that support Wayland?

I don't feel comfortable setting up a machine for someone that is so inherently insecure due to the GUI/display server, which is a shame as i find XFCE4 to be a superb desktop environment on my OpenBSD machine.

>>58955307
My argument is I don't care about its admittedly powerful customisation, and that I don't want to wait for it to compile stuff.

>>58955354
Enlightenment supports Wayland

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>>58955118
i3 is fucking trash and can't do 9/10th of what i need, i just tried it.
>>58955263
yes, like mc but for x11.

>>58955375
Wut? I3 has all except resizing with mouse.

>>58955362

Your personal preference has nothing to do with this.
Your initial retarded claim was that the only benefit of Gentoo was no systemd and I quickly refuted that and you resorted to some subjective ("I don't want to wait for it therefore no one else must") bullshit trying to justify yourself.

>>58955381
Ok you win Gentoo is great

>>58955281
>easily enable and disable compile time features
>easily
who cares how easy it is if you're going to spend extra time (on some large packages, lots and lots of extra time) compiling your shit, and then if it's a common dependency, recompiling all the packages up the chain? Any normal distribution--and even over-chromosomed shit-heaps like Arch--have simple, extensible build systems that let you pass options to build scripts fetched from a central repository, and possibly modify the scripts if you need further customization. But there is no point in doing this unless you are providing some tangible and worthwhile benefit by modifying the build in a significant way.
how many specific examples can you name where you have modified the build of a package from what a typical distribution might provide and it has resulted in a significant, applicable benefit to how you are able to use the software?

>>58955415

>here is no point in doing this unless you are providing some tangible and worthwhile benefit by modifying the build in a significant way.

Some people do exactly that. Why is this so hard for you to understand? No one is forcing you to use it. If it doesn't suit your usecase, don't use it. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean other people don't as well.

>>58955435
Because you haven't provided an example of why someone would actually want to do that?
Just like the anti systemd people moaning about how sysv was more customisable, nobody actually has any real use for these features.

>>58952814
it's mostly compatible, basic stuff is all the same
your bash scripts won't be affected, since they (should be) run with bash, regardless of what shell you're launching them from

>>58955467
As someone who has written rc scripts for services and local system initialization/shutdown for home server and had serious issues with systemd breaking on me because you can't use it in the same manner and you can't even diagnose it easily, I do not fit into that category of anti-systemd people. I fit into the category of systemd people who actually have valid issues with it.

>>58955435
>Some people do exactly that.
some people make their lives difficult for no reason other than to claim that they are better for doing so?
>Why is this so hard for you to understand?
I understand that this autism.
>Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean other people don't as well.
Yes, and these people are mentally ill. It's not something that should be celebrated or encouraged. It's something that should be treated, and if treatment doesn't work, it should be isolated away from society so as not to harm young, innocent Linux newcomers.
In a perfect world, Gentoo and SM users would have a private little locked basement where they can engage in frottage and diaper play while waiting for their entire system to recompile because of a glibc update.

>>58955467

If someone doesn't want to compile software with a certain optional dependency and doesn't want to manually edit the build script for every software he's using and that might potentially depend on it.
There is one. Again, just because you can't think of any, doesn't mean other people can't either. I don't use Gentoo or similar, but I'm not stupid to think that it doesn't have its use cases.

>>58955571
GNU/Linux*

>>58954851
CD's are an odd format
they started off audio-only, with no intention of using them for computer storage, they don't work quite like typical computer storage devices

audiocd stores audio in a much more "raw" state, as one big chunk of digital PCM data, interleaved with some weak ECC
the audiocd format doesn't provide any way to accurately seek, so emulating a filesystem doesn't quite make sense (didn't stop some people from trying, though)

audiocd's aren't exposed as a block device (that dd needs to work) because of the lack of accurate seeking information, you can make a complete disc image with cd-specific tools though (which just read the cd linearly, no random seeks)

>>58955582
I asked for a specific example, not a vague general use case.
I have packages that I build with custom options. I custom-build wine because I want certain features enabled that neither of the third-party repos for my distro enable in their builds. Same goes for ffmpeg, it has on the order of 20 optional dependencies, and I have around 12-15 of those turned on. The build scripts provided by the community build script repo has all the optional features enabled by declaring variables to the script in the command line. the build manager I use saves the options so that I can reuse them on subsequent builds, even for future versions of ffmpeg. This is one specific case where it makes sense for me to build a package otherwise available as a binary and my distro provides simple, convenient tools to make it easy to customize it the way I want.

If I can do that only for the packages that I want, why would I do it for every single fucking package on my system, regardless of whether I need custom build options or not?

Guys it's supposed to be a friendly thread, can't we all get along instead of arguing about each other's distro choice? They all have pros and cons, but it's largely inconsequential.

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>finally decide to get into linux
>try to install xubuntu from dvd
>get this weird screen before getting into the actual installer
>eventually get a completely white screen where nothing happens no matter how long I wait
>try doing the same via usb
>same result
>google the problem but find nothing
What do I do, /g/? I've dove everything the instructions told me to, but for some reason my pc refuses to install anything linux-related. I've tried different ubuntu flavors and even different distros. I managed to install opensuse but when I tried booting into it I still got this fucking screen.
Tried installing on a different machine and everything went ok, so why the fuck can't I get it on mine?

>>58955750
Do you have an integrated GPU and a discrete gpu? If so try forcing integrated in bios and then installing, and fix the drivers later. I couldn't get any display at all with my 970 until I fixed the drivers.

>>58950415

LOOK there's that one question again!
But yeah, im a little lost in distroland.

What distro is best? (for me)

What do you want to do with it?

Browsing, enter it from my phone, downloads, no botnet, no useless drivers and last as a ps2 emu (just for fun)

Tried mint, does not support my VPN (PIA)
I now have ubuntu installed but Botnet?

Kinda lost...

Fedora? Arch? Elementary? Debian?
Gentoo (working on that, its (still) fun).

>>58955958
By useless drivers i don't mean drivers, but apps.

>>58955958
*buntu

>>58955958
there are no botnet distros. stick with ubuntu or a varient.

maybe we could drop

man hier

into the op

>>58956641
WTF, why didn't I know about this?

>>58956641
dont run this, it deletes system32

>>58956641
This is nice.

>>58956641
neat

Just found this, there some pretty cool stuff in there: https://github.com/deterenkelt/dotfiles/blob/master/bashrc/iforgot.sh

Who /source mage/ ITT?

How to compile a TARBALL on a machine then install it within the package manger?

./configure
make
make install

Is considered a bad way to do so.

>>58956971
Depends on the distro.

>>58956978
Arch and debian derivatives.

>>58956990
For debian there is checkinstall (you replace the "make install" part with "checkinstall"), it creates a package and installs it.

No idea about Arch (I guess makepkg).

Morning gentoomen, I have the Slackware USB booter (40mb one) all working on my USB. I have the full Slackware ISO in my main Windows partition. Do I have to unpack the ISO before continuing to install? Do I have to/should I put it in its own partition and if yes what file system for it? Im pretty confident I can install it after I figure these steps out as the guides arent too clear or are for installing from another Linux/GNU system.
Thanks for the help lads.

>>58956971
>>58956990
If you can't be arsed to build a proper package look into

https://wiki.debian.org/CheckInstall

just
./configure
make
checkinstall

kek what's up with everyone using slack lately?

>>58957040

It is the superior meme. Also no systemd might have somerhing to do with it.

>>58957061
>not using source mage

>>58956902
>voip using netcat and sox
kek, some of these are nice

btw, anyone ITT knows how to use some basic encryption together with nc?

>>58957096
openssl or just use socat

>>58957003
>makepkg
That require creating PKGBUILD file.
Is this a valid one?

pkgname=somepackage
pkgver=1.0
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="somepackage that not on the AUR"
arch=('any')

build() {
    cd "$pkgname-$pkgver"
    ./configure --prefix=/usr
    make
}

package() {
    cd "$pkgname-$pkgver"
    make DESTDIR="$pkgdir/" install
}

>>58957096
gpg

>>58955078
just use a live usb and wipe the thing

>>58955218
>>58955252
>>58955263
you are all autists, calm your shit up

>>58956936
source mage present here

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alright why the FUCK doesnt xfce4-power-manager use my god damn icon for battery

my panel size is 28px and I have icon max set at 24(increasing it doesnt do anything to help)

im using wpg which customizes a flattr variant automatically and it works literally everywhere else except with this plugin, and the thing is it doesnt change standard panel icons whatsoever from what I've seen

every other icon theme I try also changes the icon(Arc, default flattr, vibrancy) but flattr variants wont and I have no idea why

wpg locates the flattr icon files in ~/.icons/flattrcolor which I tried symlinking to /usr/share/icons/ (where the rest of my icon themes are) but that didnt do anything either

pic related flattr icons and then this ugly ass battery icon that is not included with flattr

is there anyway around this? maybe its using some default icon that I can just replace with a symlink to flattr or something? but i dont know where it is, I checked /usr/share/icons/hicolor but those dont match this icon

>>58957664
instead of xfce-power-manager use a battery panel plugin

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trolls are asleep, post wizards

>>58957672
at this point its the fucking principle of the thing and I already use xfce4 panel so it works fine apart from this

>>58957664
for productivity reasons

>>58957116

Read the article on the Arch Wiki, it explains it. You could have read it by now instead of waiting to be spoonfed an answer here.

>>58957792
I've read it and the man page as well.
I'm asking if it's a valid PKGBUILD file.

>>58957792
>>58957813
>average arch user conversations

>>58957813

If you had read the article you'd know which functions and variables are mandatory to assign or run through. You could also just run it and see if it outputs a package or throws any errors.

>>58957880
I thought this thread was friendly.

>>58957887

Lying isn't friendly.

>>58957893
Stop lying to yourself.

Does standard debian mean it comes without a DE? I want to use lxqt i think, or idk what de to use. I have a 7 year old i3 and 4gb of ram on a laptop but want that riced look

>>58958008
you can choose what de you want to install, or leave blank for nothing
for even more minimal, use the netinstall

>>58958021
so if standard lets you choose during installation whats the point of all the other editions that have gnome, kde, xfce, etc?

whats so good about fedora that everyone is suggesting it?

>>58958050
people who recommend fedora:
- redhat shills
- noobuntu users, proud not using noobuntu
- retards falling for the "business ready" meme

>>58958050
it's great and has the latest software

>>58958050
Fedora is the worst of both worlds:
No nonfree software, but still cucked by blobs.
No packages, the user repo is a ghost town.
NSA memes, Redhat faggotry.

>>58958039

Because it's smaller in size. It appears that you have an internet connection, so just download the net-install image, it's like 200MB.

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>>58957011
You have to unpack it and put the "slackware" (or "slackware64") folder (the one with all the packages, it has folders inside called a, ap, d, e, l, ....) somewhere where you can find it easily.
Then, when you load up the installer, you have to make a directory (NOT /mnt BECAUSE /mnt WILL BE USED TO MOUNT YOUR INSTALL TARGET) and mount the windows partition there.
Then in the SOURCE part of the installer, you have to select 6 in pic related and put in the path to the slackware(64) folder on your hard drive (I don't remember off the top of my head if you need to include the "slackware" part or not. if you try one way and it doesn't work, try the other way)
If you have internet on your install machine (either a wired connection or if you are able to set up a wifi connection from the command line using basic utilities like iwconfig, wpa_supplicant, dhcpcd, etc.), easier IMHO to do an http/ftp install:
hostname: http://mirrors.slackware.com
path: /slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64

>>58957040
>>58957061
it's not just the superior meme, it's the superior religion
>ETERNAL SALVATION OR TRIPLE YOUR MONEY BACK

>>58958205
I'll stick to Source Mage.
magical systems > religious memes

>>58958050
It has very current repositories and works well upfront without heavy configuration.

>>58958075
>>58958167

>shills
>noobuntu
>cucked
>memes

Are you both going out of your way to sound as stupid as possible or were you really expecting to be taken seriously posting like that?

>>58958264
>t. triggered fedora tipper

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>>58958258
>Source Mage

>>58958181

Thank you very much for the help. Ill let you know if/how I get it working.

>>58957116
just take the PKGBUILD for any other package and change the parts that matter
99% of software installation is:
CFLAGS="[whatever, probably -O2 and some other shit]" ./configure [options for where you want to put everything instead of the default (usually /usr/local), and options for enabling/disabling optional components]
make
make install DESTDIR=$temporarypackagedirectory
# make whatever final adjustments you want before packaging the installation (strip your binaries, gzip your mans, copy documentation provided with the source to /usr/doc/$pkgname-$pkgver)
# if necessary, add post-install script to make adjustments once the package has been installed
# add whatever metadata file your package system requires
# run whatever utility your distro provides for generating package files out of installation directories
done
in theory, you don't even need a script for this if you want to just do it by hand.

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>>58958391
glad to be of assistance

>>58958422
>you don't even need a script for this if you want to just do it by hand.
How do you do that?

live usb made with unetbootin of debian doesnt work, its a known issue. How can i make a live usb?

>>58958558
again, I don't know how the packaging system for your distro works, but on mine the makepkg utility simply archives the current directory into a compressed tarball, optionally fixing symlinks and/or setting permissions, but unless your distro doesn't come with a basic low-level package creating tool:

download the source
unpack it
if there is no ./configure but there is an ./autogen.sh, run NOCONFIGURE=1 ./autogen.sh to generate a ./configure
if you have never compiled the program before, it is recommended to run ./configure --help, which will spit out all the possible options
./configure --whatever-options-you-want --seriously-there-will-probably-be-a-lot
make
mkdir ../package-$pkgname
make install $PWD/../package-$pkgname

then you can do whatever you want to the directory you installed it in, it will be set up like your root directory but only with the directories that file get installed into (/usr, /usr/bin, /usr/lib, ...), so anything you want to add or remove (at your own risk) or move around (at your own risk), you do that now
also it's good practice to run strip on all your ELF executables and object files to make them smaller, as well as gzip any man pages

the metadata format also varies by distro, consult your documentation for how you have to set that up so that your package manager doesn't sperg out.
then run whatever tool archives the the directory into a package file and install that file using your package manager.

ALTERNATIVELY, tell the package manager to go fuck itself, don't bother making a separate install directory, just run make install after make and it will install all the files directly into your system. If you do that, you better make damn sure you keep the directory with the source and all the makefiles and you don't rerun ./configure by accident with different options because the only way you can uninstall and/or install a newer version is by running make uninstall from that directory

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>>58958258

>>58958739
Thanks that's very helpful.
>keep the directory
What if you delete it?

>>58958802
The Makefile that ./configure generates contains:

instructions on what components to build in what order and using what libraries (make)
instructions on where to put the built components (make install)
instructions on where to find the installed components so that you can delete them later (make uninstall)

if you don't keep the source directory with the Makefile you generated, you might not be able to remove the files you installed later, or you'll have to go through and look for everything that got installed, assuming you remember the names and locations of everything

>>58958802
>>58958887
>you might not be able to remove the files you installed later
to be clear, this only applies if you go with the I DON'T NEED A STUPID PACKAGE MANAGER HAHAHA YOLO route. and if you do, congratulations, you are using Linux the way people did 25 years ago

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I am running Ubuntu 16.10 on a Core2Duo Latitude E6400. Is there any benefit to installing (and consistently updating) the latest graphics drivers (from oibaf PPA) and the latest mainline kernel? Or am I just wasting time and bandwidth?

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>>58958778

>>58958962
My laptop has Intel integrated video (GMA X4500MHD), if it matters.

>>58950415
if ive forgotten my user password on debian but i know the root password what can i do?

>>58959114
Boot a live CD, mount your root partition, chroot, passwd

>>58959176
chur

>>58958982
what distro do you use faggot

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>>58959212
Only the best
:^)

Everyone in this friendly thread, please stop responding that Mage shit shill, and he shall disappear.

>>58959319
the idiot posting stupid pics is not the mage user, is another idiot

>>58959315
if you want to shill slackware just do it, but stop posting idiotic pics you faggot

>>58959319
the troll here is the slackware shill, or are you the shill and you are trolling us?

fuck off slackware

install source mage

kill the slackware, install source mage

Source Mage is the best.

>>58959404
Indeed. It's a magical system.

>back then: arch vs debian
>now: slackware vs sourcemage
>tomorrow?

>>58959431
how should I know, do I look like a wizard?

>>58959453
yes you do, we all do

>>58959431
>gentoo vs LFS

>>58959463
>*trim unix beard perplexed*

>>58959345
>>58959353
>shill
I've never heard that word used to describe someone who provides support for people who need it and presents well-constructed arguments in discussions on the comparative strengths and weaknesses of operating systems. Is the new meme word everyone is using?

>>58959365
>>58959399
If you love SMGL so much, why are you so bitter about the homoerotic overtones of your operating system? I didn't realise self-hating was a thing in $CURRENT_YEAR

>>58959536
fuck off

>>58959431
Who gives a shit about a bunch of nigger autists and their daily distro wars.

>>58959536
I don't care if you are on Slackware, stop posting that gay shit you idiot

>>58959564
this, btfo

inane comments everywhere

>>58959564
>>>/pol/
>>>/b/

>>58959609
>>>/out/

>>58959620
Fuck off, out is a nice board.

>>58959579
How can you use a homosexual distro and be this intolerant? Besides, don't you realise that 15% of this board are traps and another 65% are either gay or into traps (some would argue that is the same thing). I'm just contributing fresh OC to the discussion, you don't have to be so hateful or bitter. You can always just set up a filter to hide source mage posts, that's what I've done.

>>58959701
how can a distro be homosexual?

>>58959645
this

>>58959725
>taking the bait

>>58958473

I think its working! (Its installing right now) It took me a while figure out how to mount it, but I got it in the end.
First time using GNU/Linux so I learned the hard way the commands I needed and how to set it up but I like learning the hard way.
Feels very satisfying to get this shit working. Thanks for the hints again.

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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?

I'm gonna be reinstalling linux on my netbook but I'm not sure which one I want. I tried debian minimal and liked it, so I was thinking of trying arch because of the bleeding edge meme. But then I was thinking someone might know of something just as good or less memey. Should I stick with debian minimal or should I give arch an honest try?

>>58959861
install Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>58959878
GNU/Linux*

>>58959890
My bad. Still though, would like some input.

>>58959861
try slackware

>>58959878
see >>58959965

New/Thread: >>58959981

>>58959965
>>58959976
>shill shilling

>>58959878
how about trying it in a vm and see for yourself?

>>58959878
Why Arch instead up upgrading to Debian Sid?

>>58959965
I don't know if I want to try that, seems kinda old.

>>58960008
I would but I need this netbook running fine asap. I know arch is a slow install process since you're setting everything up by hand but I'd rather not do it twice over.

>>58960034
That's what I was planning on doing, unstable minimal. But Arch apparently has more up to date software compared to Debian. I don't know the truth behind that which is why I was asking for opinions.

>>58950415
>2017
>alsa drivers still have issues with intel High definition audio

How is this possible? HOW?

When will amdgpu have HDMI 2.0 support?

What's the current solution for installing drivers that support laptops with Optimus?
Is it still bumblebee, which hasn't been updated for a few years now?

>>58961388
Is bsd actually usable? Why would you ever choose it over GNU/Linux? What programs even run on it?

>>58960204
Linux sound system is complete garbage. Pulseaudio is an improvement but about as useful as stopping a bullet wound with a band-aid.

>>58961898
I am indeed asking about Linux distros in general. I think you have misunderstood me, sorry.

hey /g/, I'm considering installing Gentoo on my Asus Zenbook. will I run into any compatibility issues?