/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Kaby Lake has been released! Skylake is depreciated if corresponding chips are similarly priced (e.g., i5 7600K vs i5 6600K)!
>Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks
>100 series chipsets (Z170, B150, ect) don't work out of the box with Kaby Lake
>Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo", which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well)
>Pentiums now have hyperthreading, and are thus the new default budget / entry level gaming CPUs
>Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform
>All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory
>Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, e.g, 3000MHz) RAM in conjunction with a Z series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a CPU overclock

You don't need an i7 for video games.

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Is anyone worried that parts are going to become scarce as soon as Ryzen launches? I know a dozen people IRL who all plan on upgrading at the same time from their old Core 2 Quad or Nehalem systems to Ryzen.

Should we start to order cases, PSUs, and good DDR4 RAM and what not?

>>58775671

Agreed.

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P400S or S340? P400S has a lot more luxuries (filters, fan controller) but the S340 would look so damn nice on my desk.

>>58775690
Most likely I'm upgrading from an i5 6500 to an AMD Ryzen and Mobo combo.

>>58775671
>>58775709
>bringing up this again
for the 5th time that was not what we were saying or discussing you retarded motherfucker.

the argument was that an i7 gives you a more stable FPS and higher minimum FPS.

https://youtu.be/EhaB1dqYv_I?t=1m50s

go back to school and learn how to read then KYS, underage faggot

yes or no

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B008B6ONXA/?tag=pcp0f-21&th=1

>>58775690
ram yes since price on that is already going up, also ssd seems to be going up aswell

everything else, no.

>>58775734
fan filters is nice but you can probably fix that separately.
fan controllers are memes, you can set that shit in BIOS or get 3rd party option.

>>58775830
no

>>58775847
what case should I go for?

>>58775856
check out fractal define c

>>58775866
> No sidepanel window
how am I meant to spunk it to my pc if I cannot see inside

>>58775880
>No sidepanel window
you're fucking retarded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C81V_-wUMw

>>58775611
>if outside the USA
Fuck, you Americans are truly fucking cretins people.
China can't nuke your cancerous nation from the face of the planet soon enough. Eat shit and fucking die.

>>58775907

wow

>>58775847
>fan controllers are memes, you can set that shit in BIOS or get 3rd party option.

Huh, I guess that makes sense, but I didn't know. A button on the case seems more convenient though. P400S seems to be about convenience, although it is probably quieter too. I just can't get over how nice the S340 looks.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/syj2TH

How well will this H7 keep the i7 cool. I won't go hard on overclocking it. I'll focus more on the GPU.

>>58775961
like i said you can just buy an aftermarket controller and put in your case and have a button.

>I just can't get over how nice the S340 looks.
then buy it, you can just add anything that's missing later.

>>58775972
enough. google a review yourself if you want hard numbers.

>>58776000
>then buy it, you can just add anything that's missing later.

What could be bought for soundproofing? Should I just glue some material on the panels? After having my current rig which sounds like a jet taking off, i'm hyper sensitive about sound. Although, my current rig is 7 years with a stock case fan and a stock AMD cooler...

>>58775611
>>58775620
>righhteous OP
NO. You are a retarded shill paid by Intel, fuck off with your Kelvin Lake meme.

>>58775972
>I won't go hard on overclocking it

should be fine as the H7 is a very capable cooler
the more expensive air coolers are for those who really throttle the i7s

>>58776039
there's sound proofit materials you can buy from most decent pc shopping websites like newegg

btw have you checked out fractal design cases? or other brand options?

>>58775611
Why is ram so stupidly expensive right now?

>>58776068

rgb

>>58776056
Checked out the Define S. It's a little pricey. Also don't really like the look of it. Was also looking at a CM MasterBox, but again, not sold on the look at all. What are some other good $50-$70 cases?

>>58776152
if you dont like that i dont really know cus i cant remember anything that looks like S340 off the top of my head

>>58776119
>recommending the 480 over 1060

who is this pleb again

>>58776185
fuck off novidya shill.

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>>58776185
>paying more for the same performance
who is this shill again

>>58776164
I'll definitely be looking around some more, thanks for the advice though.

>>58776193

>"b-but it d-destroys the 1060"
>literally outperforms the 480 in every game

why do you like to suck dicks so much

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>>58776261
See >>58776236 you retarded shill.

>>58776236
>buying an AMD just to get 2 more gigs of RAM and literally 2 frames more or less

Settling for that piece of shit inferior hardware that will explode in the near future, if it doesn't make you deaf from all the noise is retarded

I buy nVidia. Everytime. It's not simply about performance or the superior product. That's just a bonus. It's knowing that I make enough money to buy the more expensive GPU than that of an AMD kid. nVidia is a badge of excellence, at having succeeded in life. AMD, every spic and gook uses that.

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Is AsRock Z170 extreme 4 any good? Looks fine to me, and reviews are okay. The only thing that bothers me is reports about freezing UEFI, are they patched this shit? Is it worth getting one at all?

father is retiring. He has gotten into flight sims and has been using his amd apu prebuilt with an old hd 6850 and 7200 rpm hdd I put in there for him years ago.

Mom wants to get him a classy sim gaming rig for his office.

No budget really but we'll say ~$1500 complete minus OS. no optical drive needed.

I'm gonna slap together a build and see how it compares.

>>58776476
Get him a 1080 and set him up for sim VR.

>>58776476
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xJjYbj
ultrawide freesync
rx480 kabbage lake itx
surround.

>>58776514
My dad is old as shit and wears thick glasses. I don't think vr is for him.

>>58776338
>It's knowing that I make enough money to buy the more expensive GPU than that of an AMD kid
at least you are honest about your lack of knowledge of actual products

>>58776298
>>58776261
>>58776298
>>58776338
>same performance
>costs much less
novidya shills, please leave

>>58776367
Z270

>>58776725
i like this guy's idea with ultrawide monitor.
not sure what kind of CPU and GPU you would need, it's heavily dependent on the games but since he seems fine with older stuff, RX480 and an i5 or AMD Ryzen alternative should be more than fine.

Still working on first rig, hows this?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/MxbKGf

Live in Denmark, trying to make an efficient 1440p gaming setup that may be upgraded in the future.
(can order from UK/Germany, but all these parts are available locally to me)

Is this a good choice of cooler?

lastly, am i wrong in picking this 1070 varriant? they cost the same here anyways, and it seems like a good pick for power and temperature.

thank you in advance.

PS: is Acer XB271HU trash? i'm willing to pay extra for a nice main monitorr, but thats quite expensive, am i wasting money?

>>58775671
>>58775827

Serious question though: the eurogamer / digital foundry benchmarks of the Kaby i5/i7 with different ram clocks shows a pretty good performance boost by using the i7.
Sure, maybe right now an i5 is perfectly fine, but is it wrong to assume that thanks to hyperthreading (and the clock speed) the i7 might be a better investment long term?
I'm about to build a new rig (well, after Ryzen comes out to see what's up), and I'm hemming and hawing over i5 v i7

>>58776800
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/fXFgpb
updated the cooler after being advised, starting to feel pretty good about the rig.

any other things you guys think i should change?

also, reccomendations on 1440p monitors?

thanks again, really appreciated.

>>58776800
good except the cooler if you want to get decent overclocks without making a housefire.

something like hyper 612, scythe fuma or dark rock advanced c1

>>58776846
>the i7 might be a better investment long term?
yes, especially now that we're (finally) getting more games that support more threads.
you can see it in the youtube video linked in the post you replied to.

>>58776874
thats not really that much better if you want decent overclocks without getting an extra space heater in your room, see suggestions in >>58776887
there's some other options aswell if you google cpu cooler comparions/roundups

>>58776797
>Z270
Unfortunately, in my region the only avaliable (and affordable) z270 motherboard is Pro4, and it looks horrendous.
Besides, I already bought 6600k relatively cheap.

>>58776904
i'd go with something not asrock if it's not a huge difference in price, but extreme 4 is OK. just know that asrock has a bit higher failure rate than all the other brands.

>>58776298
>Nvidia cards literally catching fire
>But AMD card will totally explode, I swear

Kill yourself Nvidiashill. You'll die anyway once your GPU decides to burn your house down.

>>58776887
>>58776902
ahh, i see, deffinetly wanting to avoid burning down the appartment complex when summer comes around, is Hyper 612 the best pick that comes to mind? im ashamed to admit i havent done too much research on cooling systems yet, but i dont mind paying a little extra to make sure my rig stays cool and relatively quiet after overclocking.

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>>58776298
>>58776338

>>58776931
i'd recommend this from looking at the options you have on this site

https://www.komplett.dk/product/512803/hardware/blaeserekoelerevandkoeling/cpu-luftkoeling/noctua-nh-d14-cpu-koeler

>>58776925
Got it. Thanks.

>>58776962
or this one

https://www.komplett.dk/product/886702/hardware/blaeserekoelerevandkoeling/cpu-luftkoeling/cryorig-r1-ultimate-cpu-cooler

>>58776887
That's what I figured, yea

well, let's hope that Ryzen brings a bit of a pricedrop

>>58776962
D14 is ancient and doesn't even have PWM fans. Better to just get the D15 or D15S even if it is a little bit more expensive.

>>58776998
>>58776970
read up on a few other peoples suggestions from the archive, and it seems like the regular D15 is a really solid pick, no?

>>58777036
indeed, cant go wrong with that one, and it will last you a long time since you will be able to re-use it after upgrading.

>>58777036
It is pretty much the gold standard air cooler, the D15S is the same thing but will also fit MATX/ITX boards.

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-OC-2Gb-GDDR5-Memory-Graphics/dp/B01JPAVUY0

t-there's no better GPU for the money, right?

>>58777118
Just save some more for another month, you're in major buyer's remorse territory there m8.

>>58777118
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-OC-4Gb-GDDR5-Memory-Graphics/dp/B01JPAVZQI/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1486122535&sr=1-5&keywords=rx+460+4GB

but i highly recommend what >>58777136 said

the cards in the price bracket you're looking at are barely any better than last generation's mid-range cards

>>58776947

1060 can only claim to on par with the 480 when released only on nvidia sponsored games infested with nvidia specialty like physx, hair works, tessellations and with ports with drivers specifically tailored to run nvidia cards.

480 competes with the 1070 in performance on average, you should come to terms with the truth. Not saying better, just competes. Saying the 1060 matches the 480 is like saying a sports car matches a hybrid electric car just cause they're both limited to the same MPH roads.

>>58777159
Spoken like a true delusional rooster.
480 and 1060 are the fucking same, +/-5% depending on the game. Neither come close to the 1070. Deal with it.

>>58777159
bruh >>58776236
480 is 20% slower than 1070, has nothing to do with novidya gimping the opposition with stankworks. everyone knows it competes against 1060.

>>58777136
>>58777146

Thanks chaps. I could spend more, but play games very, very rarely, and when I do, it tends to be titles from >5 years ago. I'm playing Skyrim right now, for example.

I'm thinking the 460 could max out Skyrim, and wouldn't really have any problems playing Witcher, Crysis, Mass Effect, Wolfenstein, Doom, even if at lower settings (the other games I have a vague interest in, off the top of my head).

Still think I should spend more? I'd expect to go GTX 1050 (~£115) if I was stepping up a tier.

>>58777207
>but play games very, very rarely, and when I do, it tends to be titles from >5 years ago
i guess 460 is fine then.

>wouldn't really have any problems playing Witcher, Crysis, Mass Effect, Wolfenstein, Doom, even if at lower settings
it actually would depending on your resolution, especially if you get the 2GB version you will have serious issues.

>>58777207
>>58777238
if you want it to last a lot longer and in the long run spend less money, get the 470.

>1050
no. it's the same performance as the 460. only the 1050ti version is better than 460 but that is still far worse than the 470 which is almost the same price.

your options are 460 or 470 and i highly recommend the 470 because it will last you much longer and play what you want at decent settings

>>58776846

Honestly, this time last year I would've told you to stick to the i5, but this year I'd suggest the i7 as more games are making it work harder.

>>58775972

For stock speeds, yes. Even for a mild overclock. If you want to overclock to something like 4.8Ghz I'd recommend going with at least an H5 for about 45 bucks, or something a little higher end like a Noctua NH-U14S. For stock speeds though, that H7 is perfectly fine.

>>58777238
>depending on your resolution
1920 x 1080, either on a 40" TV or a 24" monitor.

I'll think about the 4gb version, given that its only a tenner more.

>>58777256
Thanks for the advice. 470's all seem to be around the £170 mark though, which, given the whole 'one video game a year max' thing, I find hard to justify.

To put it into perspective, I'm still using an ageing 5570, which is handling Skyrim well enough for my casual ass.

Cheers for all your help anyway, the expertise is much appreciated.

>>58777345
well, RX 460 will work fine, just make sure you get the 4GB version for a better experience (its not that much more expensive than 2GB version)

>>58775611
Asus Z170-A or MSI Z170A?

Which one has better support and features? Or can anyone make any other suggestions to me?

Also what should I be looking for in an SSD? Is the 850 EVO acceptable in terms of bang for buck? Anything beyond that seems excessively expensive.

>>58777518
Gigabyte Z170X-UD3 is the only legitimate choice.

>>58777518

whichever one is cheaper
whichever one looks better
whichever one matches your GPU

>>58777081
>>58777079

D15 it is, then; https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3BY9Fd

starting to feel pretty good about this build, gotta pick a main monitor now, want 1440p and refuse to touch TN, wish me luck

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How is this so far, minus GPU.

Not sure what GPU I want but my overall budget is about 2k. Looking to get 144hz 1080p gameplay + some video processing and 3D work done.

>>58777655
Mobo is trash, PSU is overpriced and Toshiba P300 is better than WD Blue.

>>58777685
>Mobo is trash.

What about a Z270 Tomahawk? Anything above that seems excessive as fuck.

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are these still a housefire threat?

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>>58777807

or was it this model

>>58777774
Looks better but haven't read a review about it.

>>58777807
>>58777824
Problem concerned all 1070 and 1080 with ACX HSF. New ones are supppsedly being shipped with thermal pads, but there's no guarantee you'll get one of those.

>>58777575
yeah looks really nice. the last thing i'd check is different cases if you havent already. fractal design r5, define s or define C is similar to the one you have if you like that kind of look. there's also nzxt, phanteks and many others make make decent cases.

>>58777655
Looks good but get a 2TB HDD instead they're only like £10 more for twice as much storage.

PSU is seriously overkill tho. Your system wont even draw more than 400W full load OC'd with any available AMD or Nvidia GPU.
And you could save some by going with Gold rated instead of Plat.

>when people pretend one shit, sceming jew GPU company is better than the other shit, scheming jew GPU company

If you're buying a high-end PC, just admit you're getting screwed somewhere to get what you want. It's not that embarrassing.

>>58777909

let's be fair

nVidia are much bigger jews than AMD

not fanboying - I'm sitting on a 1070 and seeing what AMD will have, but you have to admit nVidia are dicks

>>58777938
this. it's well known nvidia use far worse kikes than AMD when it comes to questionable tactics to hinder the opposition.

this sums some of the shit up pretty well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcF36_qMd8M

>>58777938
Yes, but they are bigger jews because they are good at it. AMD would have thier bullshit locked down Dicksync if they could.

I too am hoping the Vega can pop the gysync monitor and 1080 bubble to make them more accessible for everyone. Waiting for them to decide my new build.

I just don't think it's the end of the world for someone to admit they bought into something knowing the premium may be a little high as long as they are happy.

>>58778032
>AMD would have thier bullshit locked down Dicksync if they could

This is just wrong.

>>58778072
You're right, I have mispoke about the Paragon AMD™.

Forgive me. I am not worthy of my of officially licensed AMD™ gear. AMD™ is for gamers, by gamers, and they operate with the love of graphics processing to better the life of the PC gamer. Thank you, AMD™ for your commitment to ethics and excellence.

>>58778032
>AMD would have thier bullshit locked down Dicksync if they could.
This is just pure baseless assumptions.
AMD are very open with most things they do. OpenBoot is another example.
And they have (afaik) never demanded license fees for any of their techs or standards like Crossfire support, FreeSync etc.

Meanwhile Nvidia buys up tech and locks out the competition with software restrictions for physics by paying game devs to only use their tech, and locking out SLI on mobos with their drivers if the mobo is not Certified even tho there are no actual reason other than being kikes.

>>58778154
Oh and they gimped AMD card on purpose on some Schimpworks games, and they have less performance improvements over time with new driver updates than AMD.

And they charge you an extra cost for gsyncTM because they can and people are too retarded to realize the only thing that stops people from using other hardware is, again, a tiny line of code that says you must be certified...

>>58777874
ah yes, i was so busy looking up info on different parts, i forgot checking out other cases entirely!

this build started out based on the 1440p 144Hz G-Sync / Basic build in the Post, (http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/#view=2BgJxr), never actually picked a case myself... i really dig the fractal r5's designs simplistic, smooth look. Deffinetly seems like a great case for easy customization and cleaning + a pair of fans already installed.

Can't ask for for much more value out of my money than that, but ill check out the other cases you suggested, im not in a rush.

yet, i find myself starting to feel a bit like a kid 2 days before christmas, really appreciate the patient help you and the rest of /pcbg/ have offered, god bless this board.

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My PC is very close to being finished. Just ordered an i7.

Last part is the GPU, I was looking at an 8GB GTX1070, but I'm thinking I should buy a 4GB RX480 for half the price, to wait and see what AMD does.

When are they releasing their new GPU line?

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>>58778232
>ordering an i7 when ryzen is less than a month away from release
good goy

>>58778137

Be as sarcastic as you want, but AMD have always been very open with everything they've done.

>>58778266

AMD CPUs have been trash for a very long time.

>>58778266

It's okay. I'd rather have a spare i7, for a second build than a spare 1070.

>>58778266

CPU performance is so negligible, it won't matter. Also there's no way AMD will have a CPU more powerful than the i7.

>>58778285
>>58778335
>plays even with broadwell-e
>trash
1 shekel has been deposited into your account

>>58777807
>>58777824

It was the FTW Edition that were housefires.


The Superclocked were okay.

>>58778232

Should've held off on the i7, but as someone said earlier, it will most likely be on top even when Ryzne comes out. I'd just get the 1070. Vegas won't be out until June/July most likely. I'm pretty sure you don't wanna to wait that long.

>>58778477

As I said, a high-end CPU is never a bad idea as the prices aren't as fucked as GPU prices in the mainstream anyway. Also, I just thought about it, July is a fair ways away. I'll just get the 1070 then. Highly doubt AMD will have a 1080 killer anyway.

What's your opinion on Crossfired RX 480's? Is it just a meme?

Is seasonic really that good a power supply company? Or is it just memes?

>>58778761
for gaming? mostly a meme. for computations its good.

>>58778804
johnnyguru.com

>>58778810
jonnyguru.com*

Thinking of upgrading my mobo/processor/chassis finally.

Should I still go full ATX or is mATX enough for gaymen? I ain't gonna go fo SLI probably, but may want a better sound card depending on what sort of shit is included with the mobo. Mostly concerned about dust and airflow otherwise.

>>58778824
mATX is good enough. As for sound card, if you actually buy one, you should just get an external DAC and not something that goes inside the case.

I tried to make something for general use. Slit my throat, /g/.
https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/bYttt6/general-use-build

>>58778810
Thanks.

Gonna pick up a G3 Supernova.

If I want my PC to run Windows 7, do I have to use Ryzen or Skylake CPU? Cause apparently you can't run W7 on Kaby Lake or something and I simply refuse to use W10.

>>58778981
Microsoft isn't going to support Ryzen either.

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nice video game consoles :^)

How reliable is the Intel stock cooler? Is it worth it to just spend the extra $30 or so on a new one or is the stock fine if you don't plan on overclocking?

>>58779372
I used one that failed to keep parts cool enough to prevent auto-shutoff after a year.

Just get a HSF.

Stupid question here: Is the thermal paste pre-applied to the stock cooler good enough?

>>58777159
>480 competes with the 1070
No. It doesn't beat it, it doesn't match it, it doesn't come remotely close to 1070 performance in any game or any benchmark.
1060 was 5% better on launch, the 480 is 5% better now, they've been evenly matched since the fucking release, AMD is just trading blows with nvidia for the 1060/480
The only thing that competes with a 1070 is a 980ti, and of course there's no such thing as a 480 that can compete with either

>>58777256
The 1050ti is fucking stupid choice while the 470 exists
The 1050 just happens to be an amazing price
460 is not a good card, it even struggles with 1080p/60hz
1050 struggles even more but it's half the price

>>58778072
Freesync 2 is closed source and uses proprietary hardware

Whats a good 1070 card? Right now im aiming for

http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-geforce-gtx-1070-aero-0b-132871.htm?affiliateid=7474144&promoid=1391

If someone could weigh in and help that would be great, thanks /g/ents

>>58779518
Get the cheapest, youll still get 2.1GHz max

I got a laptop with USB C, what do I do with this? It's USB 3.1, but not thunderbolt 3
What actually fully utilizes USB 3.1 C? Are external GPU racks availible to buy? Are there any SSD enclosures that can run at full speed over USB C? What's the benefit?

>>58779933
External 10 Gb Ethernet adapters are a great application for USB 3, when you need to get data off laptops fast

Is a XFX 8GB RX480 for $210 worth it?

>>58779444
Yes

>>58779372
They're usually fine in my experience. Just use it and check your temp, decide then.

>>58778895
You aren't going to get much better temps with that thermal paste, you might as well use what comes on it.

>>58780099
What if I only have one other PC and no need to network between them?
I'm not sure just how capable Ethernet is past just Internet usage

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Is it normal for this thing to sound like a hairdryer? It's pretty loud even at idle and ramps up with load (I thought noise was supposed to stay constant). I'm a bit worried the pump is failing and will leak on my shit. It does cool the cpu well enough though. (30 idle, 60-65 on prime95)

>>58775611
hey guys I need some help
for the past like 3 years my pc has had the same problem where if I shut off my machine from within the OS (on windows and linux) everything will shut down but my pc components seem to still be on (power light on, fans running, etc.). Does anyone know why this would be

>>58780354
Had this problem not long ago. It was TP-LINK wifi software. Deleted it and now using the normal windows wifi menu. It's most likely a program.

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>only have laptops
>decide it's time for a desktop
>come up with this

So how bad did I do?

It will be used for general use and basic gaming.

>>58780409
>AMD
You have just been memed

Looking to build a rig for csgo. Should I get i5 6500 or 7500 considering I could get either at the same price? Also, rx 480 or gtx 1060 3gb? Cheers

>>58780450
7500 and nwinia

>>58778996
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-02/amd-ryzen-am4-treiber-windows-7/

>>58780435
Well fuck I didn't know, never really hang out on /g/, mostly just /k/.

>>58780409
W8 for ryzen or go intel, rest is k.

>>58780542
Dual channel memory is also better than single.

>>58780409
Get 2x4gb of ram. Also trade the hyper 212 for a cryorig h7. Maybe wait for ryzen, but honestly the 8320 I have has served me well for gaymen, so if you really want it just go for it.

>>58780366
But it happens on both linux and windows

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>Use an ancient desktop
>Suddenly more money then sense
>Time to upgrade
I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm hoping to play fancy games with this.

>>58780935
Budget? We can make something happen.

>>58780935
You want a 1080 or Titan XP, not a 980ti.

>>58781034
>>58781046
2000+~ budget. Thanks for any help you can give.

>>58780323
Bump, please if someone has a similar cooler can you check if that sounds wrong? I made a vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgRyobPR_IM

>>58781158
Where is the radiator?

>>58781299
behind of the fan at the back, well attached to it (red LED one)

How is this build for a first PC? Not planning on OCing since I don't need it for 1080p gaymen. Still need to decide if I want to use the stock cooler or buy a new one though. Also would like people's thoughts on the keyboard I chose.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w2cHr7

>>58781364
Put it up on the top and swing it around a little if you can get the bubbles out of the pump. Best place for the rad is on top or with the connectors at the bottom so the air stays in the rad.

>>58781471
So do you reckon that's the issue, air bubbles? I'm just worried about the pump failing and leaking. Air bubbles would be the least of my worries.

>>58781560
It's easy to test, just what I said.

>>58781394
stock cooler is more than adequate for your needs, especially if not overclocking. it's not like it'll overheat and can't handle the temperatures

in your case the only reason to go for an aftermarket cooler is if you think the stock cooler gets too noisy when the CPU is being stressed by games

>>58781394
>GTX 1060
for a case this size, go with a dual or triple fan card, you have the space, use it.

>Phanteks ECLIPSE P400S
I have one of those but while this case looks great and feels great, I do regret not going with the Enthoo Pro M.

>PSU
if you have the cash, go with a fully modular psu, getting rid of the extra cables and the yellow/red color just makes everything look better.

>Cooler
While you don't need an aftermarket cooler to keep temps good, it really helps in getting your pc to STFU. go with a M9i or C7 to keep things quiet, or H7 because that 330 minimum rpm.

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hey, im in need of some advise here guys, been looking around all kinds of archived threads, youtube videos, trash forums, and even reddit, but i hoped to get your opinions to help me decide.

i got a 1600$ build with a 1070 + i5-7600k, and im looking to get a 1440p,144hz, IPS, 27" monitor, thats future proof up the ass, and im hearing some pretty great things about G-sync

anyways, to my actual question at last:

what do you guys think about G-sync monitors?

Would you say the XB271HU or/and the PG279Q are worth their highass prices? am i spending my money poorly here?

could drop down to 25" to get some cheaper options, but im deffinetly hoping for a 27" monitor.

apologies for the text wall and thank you.

>>58781861
Well I have the PG279Q and so far I haven't regretted it (bought one of the first ones that were being sold here).
If you wanna save a few eurobucks you can consider the Acer but there's really nothing else out there besides them.

Only if you think you can live with TN, there is the Dell...

Yes, g-sync marries you with Nvidia but it could be worse I guess.

>>58781931

Asus is actually slightly cheaper here, it's got slightly better picture, right?

i feel like it might be worth the investment, seeing as i deffinetly intend to upgrade my rig sometime.

>>58781995
Well they both should have the same panel I think. Maybe with small differences/version as Acer owns the manufacturer.

If it feels like you want 144hz and can afford it, yeah why not. Choices like any other.

Personally right now I'd buy it used. You can get a XB270HU here for about 500€.

>>58782042
sounds like a good idea, i'll look around to see if i can find me a decent used deal.

its a good chunk of money for a new one, but with a decent insurance, im sure i won't end up regretting it, thanks for the quick response, brother.

>>58781132
1070 is the best high-end value, but the 1080 beats it
They still both perform great (not perfect) at 1440p high hz or 4K 60hz, those monitors are both achievable by turning settings down

>>58781861
Change out IPS for TN
Boom, now you're looking at a PG278Q for 300 USBurgers cheaper

>>58781861
And to answer your question, gsync is nice when you need it. If you're already getting the max fps your screen can handle then gsync is worthless. My PG278Q has ULMB mode which strobes the backlight and destroys any motion blur, I prefer this over gsync and turn off gsync to use ULMB 90% of the time
That being said, a few of my games have a huge varying range of fps, like 70-110fps or 90-100fps, and no amount of setting adjustment can lock them in at 120fps (my ULMB-locked setting), so I do use and enjoy gsync in those cases
But if it was possible to get 120fps 100% of the time, I wouldn't bother with gsync
But gsync also is arguably futureproofing, since it means non-perfect framerates still look good, new games that you can't do 144fps on, still look just fine at 60-143fps with gsync

Any anon with a Samsung S24F350FHU?

>>58782204
You can notice the jitter but it really helps even as low as 40fps. 30-35 is just too low.

Is it true that the quad core Ryzen CPUs will be released a few months after the 8 Cores CPUs?

>>58782128
I'll grab the 1080. Did I screw anything else up? Like having parts that won't fit or are underutilized and throttled by eachother. Additionally that second warning spooks me.

>>58782278
I would change to 7700k but if you have your reasons for 6-core, whatever.

>>58782240
Yeah I think the low-end extension of gsync *technically* goes down to something stupid like 15fps or something
>>58782278
>>58780935
>cooler is great, but unnecessarily good
>You don't need a 1080 for 1080p/144hz but it'll ensure you don't need to turn down any settings
>Cheaper power supply, preferably Seasonic. 650w is more than enough, 80+ gold is already really efficient (even 80+ bronze is acceptable)
>You can save a shitload of money and have the same gaming performance by switching to 6700K/Z170 or 7700K/Z270
That's SATA warning is normal and true, but you probably have well over 6 SATA ports anyways so don't worry about it

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>>58782204
>>58782141

thanks for the extra information/advise guys, this is gonna be my first build ever, so im really wanting to feel it, without risking a case of buyers remorse getting the 1080/7700k setup in case some cool new stuff is released at the end of the year/start of next, or maybe (god forbids) amd gets their shit together with Ryzen/Vega, and prices get a bit more competitive.

i dont know enough to be speculating, but i feel like a PG279Q, while expensive, is worth the enjoyment of being at the front of the curve for a bit, and deffinetly doubt it won't be a great monitor for many years to come.

27", IPS, 165Hz, 1440p, G-sync, nice quality, and it looks pretty decent too, which is an added bonus, i suppose, im really starting to feel like a kid on christmas morning!

im not buying until the end of the month, so everythings subject to change, but im pretty comftable with where im at right now.

>>58782403
Just buy it where you can test it and return/exchange it for another because theres a lot of not so good quality panels out there. It's the same with all of these fast IPSs.
(More than usual IPS bleed, dead pixels)

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>>58782403
I don't think changing TN to IPS is worth $300 of "enjoyment" while keeping all the same cutting edge features but that's just me
You could buy another 7700k for the extra price you're paying for IPS

>>58782453
And this is one good reason to consider used one if you can pick it up and check it before buying. I wouldn't even mind paying few more bucks for a good one.

>>58782453
>>58782468
hmm yeah, i had already planned on either getting a used one i could check first, or one with proper insurance, but ill look into that issue a bit more and deffinetly make sure to be careful.

>>58782465
honestly you could be right for all i know mate, as a plebian, its not easy getting a proper understanding before all decisions, especially since a lot of people are biased in their opinionss based on either owning a competing product, or having had a bad experience with the product in question.

i dont really have any interest in 4k gaming, and i doubt i will for quite a few years, so i figured im "stuck" with 1440p until that changes, so my thought process is: "why not get the best available, that i know has a low chance of dissapointing and has great future proofing".

im doing a full battle station from scratch, so im already spending a large sum of money i've spent up, and i feel like theres some sense to not going all in on the new kaby lake or the 1080, since the difference doesnt seem that great.

im not rich enough to spend money like that, but i've been saving/waiting a long time for this.

>>58782639
i'm also apparently too tired to speak english, sorry.

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I have an old as fuck gpu, do I get an rx460 alone for 120$ while I wait for next gens or a rx480+whole new rig for upwards 450$ (480 requires new psu, case, maybe even mobo)?

I know that for 50$ more I could get an rx470, but at this point I might as well get a 480 since there's about 40$ difference between those.

I checked and the 460 is an upgrade of about 120-130% more power from what I have. The 480 is also 100-120% more powerful than the 460 but then I have to shop for all this other shit.

Would waiting for VEGA be a good idea? I'd have time to wait for a deal on a case and psu, then jump on some 480 deal. I'm still worried the next few gens might be much more worth it though with 4k and VR coming about. (I'm in canada btw)

What do?

>>58782639
You keep saying "IPS is better" as your entire point, which I can totally understand if I didn't know what these panel techs are or thought paying more always equals getting more. The PG278Q is 10-bit color, has almost no side to side viewing angle issues (which imo was GREATLY exaggerated online), has all the high Hz gsync 1440p 27" goodness and was $500. The color is actually worse on my 8-bit color 1800p IPS display.
I just think there's a lot more useful "the best" tech you could buy with the $300 than exchange a great monitor option for an expensive monitor option with a meme screen you won't even notice unless you're standing in the corner of the room

How much of an upgrade is it if I went from a Core 2 Extreme QX9650 to a Core i5-7400?

>>58782670
Get the GTX1050 Ti if you can, RX460 isn't that good.
RX470 4G is considered the sweetspot for budget GPUs, nothing wrong to buy it. What's your current PC like anyways?

>>58775611
i have a question about building a computer?

i have a gtx 1080, plugged it into my monitor by why exactly wont it turn on?

>>58782639
And don't forget arm has better blacks than IPS, and less pixel response time (which I'm sure asus solved that problem before sticking a 165hz IPS on the market but still, for 99% of IPS monitors the pixel response is very slow)

>>58782724
some old prebuilt with a decent cpu and HD 5450

I've been playing games on very low 800x600 for a while now. Not even great looking games.

The thing is the 470 is not that much lower than the 480 so I might as well get that, but then i have to make a whole new rig except for cpu and mobo.

>>58782701
>>58782737

nah dude i feel you, and i dont mean to offend you by not bringing up a better reason than "a majority of people have advised me to go with this choice", i've just completed my first complete draft of my build today, and the excitement is getting to me a bit (one of the reasons im waiting at least 2 weeks to buy anything). i'm looking up some proper comparisons of the 2 right now, since you make a decent case, and im deffinetly interested in saving some money.

im spending a lot of money, but i dont have the kind of income to ignore a potential 300$ because im already spending a few thousand, thanks for the heads up dude, really.

>>58781721
Thanks. How does this edited list look?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3j34Gf

>>58782801
>playing games on very low 800x600 for a while now
Jesus Christ fuck m8. It's 2017, not 1997 anymore.

>some old prebuilt with a decent cpu and HD 5450
Sound absolute shit, GPU is 7 years old, CPU should be just as old, imho it's time for a new build.
I' currenty on a Lynnfield 8xx i7 and GTX460, it still runs most games i play reasonably well, but after more than 6 years it's time for a new PC for me, too.
What budget would you have for a completely new machine? Might be worth to wait for Zen, if it's not enough, get a G4560 + RX470.

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>>58782805
A $500 PG278Q is a good deal, but not if you can you find a $600 PG279Q in stock

>>58782805
my initial reasoning was, that im also gonna be watching movies and using the monitor for general usage, while not gaming, and it seems universally agreed upon, that the advantages of the TN is the better price, and having a 1ms input delay to the ISP's 4mn, but in turn, i'm hearing that the picture quality of the ISP is easily noticably better than the TN, no?

Christ, computer research is stressful.

>>58782858
the cpu is an i7-2600 so it holds up pretty well even now. PSU is 460W so the rx 460 and 470 would fit just right. The 480 needs just a bit more wattage. My main gripe is really what the next gens will look like and if it'd be better to wait. What if they get new cards with 8-16gb vram to be VR/4k proof for even longer?

>>58775611
Do you only have the same three images to post or something?

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>>58782871
Nobody who's used both TN and IPS says TN looks better, anybody saying otherwise either only plays CS:GO or is just a shill for calculator screens

>>58782973
>image.jpg
>shilling your iphone screen

can I reapply thermal paste without cleaning the old one?

I had to remove the heatsink a bunch of times and ppace a different CPU to update BIOS for kabylake. Just bought new paste to put on it. Do I need to clean the old one? It's a new CPU with stock fan desu

Just wanna add a bit of extra paste to compensate for whatever was lost

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>>58783075
It's not even 3PM I'm not at the right level to answer this

>>58783075
If it's fresh paste i don't see the issue. If the paste on the heatsink is the pre-applied stuff and you bought new paste, i don't think it's a good idea to have dissimilar thermal paste mixing with each other.

>>58782963
CPU shouldn't be that much of a problem, that's true. Imho get a RX470 and call it a day. Maybe replace the PSU, prebuild ones are almost always a fire hazard and PSUs generally degrade over time.

>what the next gens will look like and if it'd be better to wait
If you want VR/4K you will have to wait, it's still not really viable unless you spend a stupid amount of money.
Buying a RX480 or anything above should be bottlenecked by your old CPU.

>>58783147
yep, its the preapplied shit

why not tho? I don't gib fugs

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Can I do better than this? First time building a PC. Looking to do some gaming, but I mostly play Paradox titles so not graphics intensive. Might pick up BF1 though.

Really wanted everything from Amazon.ca so I could get free 2 day shipping as well.

All prices obviously in Canadian dollars.

>>58783075
>>58783193

wat

>>58775611
could I play skyrim on a Xeon without a GPU?

>>58783309
what's not understood, I had to remove a kabylake because mobo wasn't updated. Had to place a skylake and update, then placed kaby again. Some paste was lost so I bought new to put on it

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Sell me on the full tower meme

>>58783390
Pros;
A lot more space to work with
Cons;
Takes up a lot more space

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ks8QBP
i kinda went fuck it with the budget, and just wanted a pc that could last me for some years with some good eye candy
Any better/quality alternatives?
My limit will be 2500$

>>58783422
>just wanted a pc that could last me for some years
Everything looks fine but why not go with kaby?

How many of you do aesthetic builds?

For example: color scheme. Even ricer LED shit.

>>58783450
i'm a newfag and know very little about kaby lake

>>58783456

I'm not gay.

>>58783456
My color scheme is stock black parts and stock red parts
I get a windowless panel case on purpose
I managed my cables
I guess you could call me experienced in customization

>>58783479
Are you planning to overclock?
The only thing you need to know about kaby is that it runs hotter, its not all that much better the skylake except it overclocks a bit better and it may have compatibility issues with windows 7/8.

>>58783390
I have two full towers in my storage rental, both of which I've built back in before 2012. There really is no point in going full tower anymore unless you
a) need that many hard drives locally
b) need that many radiators inside the case
c) have an EATX or dual socket motherboard

Point a) is useless these days since larger than 2TB hard drives are cheap as dirt, plus NAS is more common in an average household
Point b) is useless if you have an AIO or air cooling, not a custom loop. And even if you do have a custom loop, you need at most one 240mm radiator and a 120mm radiator for sub 50 degree temperatures on the CPU+GPU.
Point c) is only useful if you have an EATX board and use all of the slots, ports, headers, and features. If you have a dual socket board wider than an EATX, then a full-tower case is probably your only hope of getting it inside a non-server chassis.

>>58783518
Not really, I just plan on doing light video editing and gaming on medium/high settings on a few games
most likely the only game that I'll attempt ultra settings is (Old) Skyrim, Doom and maybe WoW if i feel like getting time again

>>58783547
>gaming on medium/high settings on a few games
Dude, you're looking at a 1080 with and i7 6700k, you could play all new games at high-ultra. If thats not what you're looking for then you could pay way less and just get an i5 6500 with a 1070, even that's probably overkill.

If you're not looking to overclock then you don't need a z170 mobo and k series cpu. The stock cpu cooler will be more the enough, no need for a water cooler.

>>58783390
Basically this >>58783409 and >>58783546 so if you won't utilize the space offered by a big tower, don't buy one.

>>58775611
I'm looking for a gaming pc build that can run graphically demanding games smoothly. My budget is up to $2000 and I reside in the Netherlands. I have been out of the pc gaming scene for 6 years so I really don't know what's currently good.

>>58783773
That's effectively how much jew bucks.. 1600-1700?
You'll get an excellent build with this, do you need monitors or other peripherals? 1440p 144Hz monitors for example are very expensive.

>>58783876
About 1800 euro's. I already have the peripheral devices but a monitor. I'm currently using two 1080p 60hz monitors but I want to replace those with a monitor that has at least a higher resolution than 1080p.

>>58784030
>I want to replace those with a monitor that has at least a higher resolution than 1080p
Nah. Buy one 1440p 60Hz/144Hz monitor and keep the others and side monitors, you'll be playing on one only anyways.
If you want a 1440p 144Hz monitor and a build that's "future proof" you should either wait for the 8C16T Zen or shell out for a i7 + 1080.

>>58784083
I'll wait to see what the 8C16T Zen has in store.

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Gaming at 1440p, budget is $1400. Any swaps for a slightly better price for around the same performance?

>>58784241
Don't waste your M2 slot on a fucking SATA drive
Either get Samsung 950/960 pro or get a normal SATA SSD

>>58784241
Mobo is overpriced meme, get 3000/3200 RAM, EVGA 1000 series is a big no-no and your CPU is going to melt under that M9i.

>>58784263
I guarantee that ram is as cheap as it gets right now. There's a problem, prices aren't like they were two months ago, and evga is sending out all new cards with proper thermal pads

Is it possible to build a budget computer for csgo around the i5 6500/7500 and the rx 480?

>>58784288
>evga is sending out all new cards with proper thermal pads
True, but you can't influence whether or not you actually get such a new card.
RAM prices are full kike mode right now, but imho it's still worth to get 3000/3200 RAM if the 16GB kit is under $100.

>>58784308
http://www.logicalincrements.com/games/csgo

>>58784332
A few days ago all the 3000mhz 2x8GB was $110

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>>58784351
>check again
>$115-125 now
I regret bragging about my $67 kit, this is just unethical

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>>58775611
>fairly capable little HTPC/media server/light gaymen build that will last a long time
>mini-ITX
>sub $1000
>ameritard
>already have an i7 5820k & gtx 980ti build as my main
>this will occasionally be shared between my brother/family
>most of the peripherals are already bought , as you can see

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cjgnwV

Fuck my shit up... r8, critique, etc.

>>58784351
Yesterday i saw 2x8GB G.Skill Ripjaws V for $94 for 3000 and $99 for 3200. Fucking kikes, is swear.
Should have bought 2x8 LPX 3000 RAM around christmas for 80€...

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>>58784254
>>58784263
Better?

Stop buying hyper 212 meme garbage. It's 2017.

>>58784540
Better, only two things. Cryorig H7 is a better cooler and depending on how much you want to OC you'll need strong cooling.
Kelvin Lake runs much hotter than Skylake.
The mobo is good, but idk which HD series version this is. There's one with a small heatsink on the VRM, maybe get that one.

do you guys run 2 or more monitors in your builds? im going for 2 myself, but i'd love to hear the rational for doing 3 or more.

>>58784540
Looks good, C7 is better like anon said but it will not matter, even with a hearty overclock a 212 will handle it

need very small computer (will be travelling) to bring to uni with me, I'm doing comp sci, not sure what specs will be enough.. or should I just only use my thinkpad

Hey rate this before I pull the trigger!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bwnpNN

>>58784707
Just get an 29"-34" ultrawide (1080p or 1440p depending on your GPU & VRAM), then buy one of those 23-24" Dell IPS monitors and set it up vertically next to your main monitor. It's easily the most functional, practical, aesthetically pleasing setup out there (barring richfags having 6x 27" OLEDS and crazy shit like that at least)

>>58784733
No. Hyper 212 is marginally worse than the M9i he swapped out. H7 (not C7) is much better than the 212. Seriously stop shilling that shitty overpriced cooler.

>>58784849
I got a 4.7GHz 1.35v overclock (which I consider hearty) on my 6600k and it never touches 80° but I get what you're saying

>>58784828
Absolute shit.

>>58784828
You would be fine with a 500w to 550w psu, you don't need a water cooler but that's up to personal choice, everything else is fine.

>>58784879
Getting close to 80 isn't really ok anon.

>>58784828
>closed loop shit
>$100 on fucking fans
>too many watts
5/10

>>58784880
How is it shit?

>>58784896
Thanks, I upgraded the i5 to a 7600k do you think I should keep the water cooler or is that still overkill?

>>58784901
With prime95 I consider it a win

>>58784929
>How is it shit?
Lurk more. If you buy this now you'll only fuck up your parts and come back crying.

>>58784929
k series cpus are made for overclocking, you'll need a z270 motherboard for that. As i said, water cooling is a personal choice, but it will be useful for overclocking. If you get a z270 mobo, you may as well get 3000MHz ram.

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>>58784984
Can you recommend a mobo, ram and PSU combo to go with an i5-7600k? Also it has to fit within pic related.

>>58784901
Yeah it is. If you never go above high 70s, you're golden. Most CPUs can withstand prolong temps over 100c for an impressively long time. Hell, most Intel chips produced in the last 8 years or so are capable of running in the 90s for years and never shit themselves. You just wanna make sure you're not pushing an excess amount of voltage... that's what really kickstarts degradation and other problems. People really underestimate the durability of processors.

>>58785039
>Can you recommend
Nope

You need a z270 mobo, look around and read reviews for mini itx z270, there isn't that many of them anyway. The cheapest set of 2x8gb 3000mhz ddr4 will do.

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>>58785149
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zbYdgL

What do you think of this edit?

>>58785074
I've had my 2600k OC'D at 4.6-4.7 ghz and consistently reaching 85-89 C under load almost daily since Sandy Bridge was released like 5+ years ago. Still hasn't failed me. I'm gonna really miss this fella when he dies on me. We had an amazing run ;^)

>>58785216
Definitely better. You're missing the CPU, however lol

>>58785216
Looks fine assuming you're still going with a 7600k

>>58785306
lol sorry, >>58785312 yes...

>>58785216
Still shit.

>>58784848
cant do it man, i've already settled on a nice main monitor for gaming, deffinetly getting a second for browsing/streams/movies, just havent spent a lot of time considering if i want a third, 95% sure its a no tho

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>$1250
>i7-7700
>16GB 2400 DDR4
>GTX1070 Founders
>256GB Samsung SSD + 1TB HD
>not build by a dumb hick like OP
Seriously only idiots build their own PC now a days. Alienware also use proprietary parts that is much better than shit from PCpartpicker. Alright morons, build me one for cheaper with better components. [spoiler]youcant[/spoiler]

*inb4 but the inside is ugly

Who the fuck cares, do you open up your PC everyday to just fucking stare at it?

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I really love the Fractal design Define S' storage cases that are all at the back of the motherboard (2xSSD, 3xHDD) and lack of an optical drive.

Are there any other very silent, great airflow, bottom PSU case out there that are a bit more premium? The case can be had for about 80$ on sale but I'd be willing to spend a slightly more for a more solid looking one.

I also really love cases with large windows but most of the cheap ones scratch easily as hell and the real glass, more expensive ones probably dont keep sound as well as full metal+foam. Is this right?

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>>58785637
I know this is bait, but just look at this case, i don't think it's going to be very upgradable.

>>58785637
you can build that for 300$ less and get a much better looking case without looking like an idiot gaymur

>>58785699
Honestly what do you want to upgrade do? Do you have an i7 from the future somewhere? Do you have a new Nvidia card from the future somewhere? The GTX1070 and i7 is more than adequate for a long long time to come. Also its not harder to upgrade than any other PC. Not only that but Alienware made everything tool less.

>>58785710
Really? Go ahead and do it, I'll wait.

>>58785637
>>58785753
lmfao, as if it wasnt already painfully obvious you're some newfag thats never built a pc before, hoping to get someone else to do it for you.

cover yourself up, sonny, your desperation is showin

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Got a job so finally can ditch the laptop for a pc

Looking something to start with and upgrade eventually but that won't shit the bed when i want to play some games.

I don't live in the USA so i'm a bit constrained by budget and parts availability. Would like to keep it below 950 because i still have to buy a monitor as well.

>>58785776
So you can't that's what I thought...

I got a 1070 but now I don't really want to spend $350+ on a G-Sync monitor, can I just get a 1ms 144hz monitor that doesn't have g-sync, or is gs that good?

new to pc "building" I have no clue on what type of motherboard to get. Looking for best bang for buck obviously.

>>58785805
sure it is mate, try simply asking nicely next time, odds are that someone will eventuall help you, trust me

>>58785847
I honestly don't need your help, I can easily go to Best Buy and buy an Alienware that is better than 99% of what idiots built in this thread and for much cheaper.

>>58785788
This is horrible, don't buy that... see logicalincrements to get a general idea.

>>58785877
k

>>58785637
Tried building the same thing with same parts and cheapest components and it arrived at about the same price, if you want to buy one go right the fuck ahead, don't let us stop you. Alienware usually comes with pretty good warranties too. Just know that it isn't really upgradable and dell uses the cheapest components possible, so it will probably fall apart within 4 years. I had an Alienware M11x laptop and i had a bunch of problems with it and it fell a part, ended up giving it to a friend.

>>58785637
>>58785726
>>58785753
>>58785805
>>58785877
I gotchu senpai
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TQmCtJ

>>58785909
lmfao

>>58785909
lol @ ayynfags life

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>>58785904
Honestly I have an Alienware from 2001 which still works, sadly it won't be able to play anything but at least it still works. The myth that pre-guilts are shit quality ends with Alienware. Sure Acer and ASUS might be utter shit, but Alienware is extremely good value. Also this non-upgradable argument is dumb, its no harder to upgrade than any of the builds listed in this thread.

I just bought a 7600k

Going to that from an i5 750 that finally broke down

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>>58786034

>>58785962
>but Alienware is extremely good value.
It's nothing more then overpriced garbage. Also depending on models, some components are non standard, meaning shit like standard mobos and psu won't fit without heavy modification to the case, unlike standard cases that accept industry standard components. Look, if you want to buy prebuilts, go ahead, theres nothing wrong with that, you just won't get any street cred and will pay more.

>Honestly I have an Alienware from 2001 which still works
Alienware was bought out by Dell in 2006, it was it's own company before that.

>>58786049
>>58786034
Different chipsets, numbnuts
Go with the H110, it's cheaper and you lose less features.

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anybody know where to find these cheap?
$49 on amazon fuck that

>>58775734
Why are people still buying this Coolermaster shit.
I mean the build and production quality of their stuff and especially their heatsinks and fans is awfull.

>>58786087
Thanks anon, can you tell me where else I can shave cash? This is what I'm planning on: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bj3wjc

>>58786254
>can you tell me where else I can shave cash?
Buying a prebuilt Alienware for $1500

>>58775866
I work part time in a PC shop.
Everything from selling to building, to repairing.
We have a partner deal with Fractal and well, sell literally hundreds of the R5 alone in the branch shop I work.

I got the privilege to be the first among us to get a custom build for a customer with the define C.
Too be honest I hated working with that case.
All cable either feel far too short or by far too long.
I doubt there is currently any PSU that just has about the right length of cables to go nicely with the C without having to do all the cables on the PSU yourself.

>>58786254
>old post-typhoon Seagate
That's like a white slut in prom clothes walking in a dark alley in the blackest neighborhood around
Downgrade to a GTX 1050 or wait a few more weeks, save up $30 more dollars, and get the significantly better RX 470
>Rosewill shit case
It's like you want your fingers to bleed
>Windows
Just buy a prebuilt Alienware

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How does this build look, /pcbg/? Is there anything that is too overpriced that I can cut back on? Budget is about $1000 but I don't mind paying an extra $100.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f7cxtJ

>>58786461
Looks fine

>>58786486
$1200 budget, shitty asus 23" screen for ants?

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I want a good upgrade for my fx-6300 since am3 is a dead end, I was thinking Pentium G4560 or I5 7500/7400. I want to use it for mostly gaymen that's hard on the cpu, as far as planetside 2 cpu heavy. so my question, is the i5 really worth the extra 120ish dollars or should I just save the cash?

>>58786517
Any particular model you would recommend?

>>58786517
I use a 23" monitor, so fucking what? Are you sitting 10 meters away from the screen?

>>58786540
The i5 is obviously worth the extra cash - it is a four-core vs a two-core ffs.
Maybe wait until AMD Zen lands, though. That should happen in March iirc.

>>58786461
Imho you should get a mATX build which saves money and space and get a cheap cooler like a Cryorig M9i, stock cooler is a jet engine.
Swap the HDD for a Toshiba P300, it's better and should cost the same.
The GPU is decent, but it's only the standard custom design which means higher temps and more noise.
Monitor.. idk, i'm not a fan of Asus budget monitors.

>gaymen that's hard on the cpu
Does it utilize more than 1C/1T? Get a good i5 or even i7 or wait for Zen, it's almost here.
Does it utilize only 1C/1T? Get the G4560 if you're a cheapskate, otherwise get an i5.
Stay away from the 6400/7400 though, shit value compared to other i5's.

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>>58786594
So I'm a complete noobie at this so excuse me if I don't know anything but I made some edits.
>only the standard custom design
What do you mean by this?
>Does it utilize more than/only 1C/1T?
Where can I check this? And if so, what's wrong with the i5-7500?

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>Should hopefully have steady income again soon
>Been stuck 2-3 generations of vidya behind for years, shit laptops that ran 70deg idle, running XP until 2013 and Vista until last year
>Have to decide to end my suffering now or wait for this Ryzen meme
Just fuck my shit up, /pcbg/

I want to transfer my windows 7 partition to an SSD but dont have any of the installation CDs or usb things. What are my options? Do I have to pirate win7/10? My current win7 is legit.

>>58786699
Anon was responding to >>58786540 in the second half of his post, ignore it. Everything looks fine

>>58786699
>What do you mean by this?
There is for one the reference design like the "Founders Edition" and custom design like your GPU.
This custom design can come in different forms. For example that white card is the entry card from Asus while the STRIX series has an even better heatsink with better fans and some additional features.
There's nothing wrong with your GPU, it's just that i'd get something else. You can keep the Asus card if you like.

Ignore the second part and 7500 is fine, second half from >>58786594 was meant for >>58786540

>>58775611
Purpose of PC
Machine Learning/Graphics Programming/VR devviing

Gonna start with a 1080(1080ti?) and maybe go to two if i need it *probably

>>58786771
You want to transfer your ssd to a new computer? If it's a new motherboard you're going to need to do a fresh install of windows and contact microsoft to move your product key to a new machine. for a dvd/usb, torrent a untampered iso.

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I'm looking to upgrade from my Radeon HD 7870 to extend the life of my rig rather than build a whole new one. I have an i7-3820 and 16GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM. Recommendations?

>>58786840
>Machine Learning/Graphics Programming/VR devviing
Better be a good goy and get a 6900K + 1080Ti SLI already.

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hello friends. piecing together new build for ~$2500. uses: software dev, IDA, VMs.. what can i do better?

>>58786900
Depends on your budget really.
The best value on the market right now is the RX 480 4GB. On Newegg I see a decent MSI model going for $180. For that price, it's a pretty damn good card.

also trying to keep it sub 2k

>>58786594
>Imho you should get a mATX build which saves money and space and get a cheap cooler like a Cryorig M9i
Agree on the cooler part, but a mATX build only decreases the price by $40-$30 or so. And space is really subjective so anon may like the amount of space his desktop takes up. I know a lot of people who do.

>>58786993
meant for
>>58786840

>>58786927
I was hoping i could just get a shit i500 since most programs aren't using quad cores; most decent ML libs will be largely using the GPU, if not exclusively; and most VR/games aren't bottlenecked by the CPUs number of cores as long as it isn't single core.

>>58787033
*i5 fuck

>>58786953
is the 8gb not worth it for futureproofing? Even at 1080p games are getting crazy on vram aren't they?

>>58787045
If you want, sure go ahead.

>>58786943
A GPU that isn't a fire hazard and a smaller PSU you won't go anywhere near 1000W and the 50% meme is a meme, 850W is already more than enough and still stays very efficient.
Case is completely overpriced, but if that's your choice, i hope it at least comes with enough good fans preinstalled.
Other than that, good work station and gaming machine.

>>58787033
Yeah but 6/7400 are shit since they're lower clocked. Stick with 6/7500 or 6/7600 if you can find it for a good price, which generally isn't the case.
The 6400 is an exception if you want to BCLK OC it.

>>58787066
what 1080 would you rec atm?

>>58787110
Asus STRIX, Palit (Super)Jetstream, Zotac AMP! (Extreme) and maybe MSI Gaming X.

Anyone have suggestions for a sub-$150 monitor? Looking for one that isn't too shit but is still 1080p.

http://blog.logicalincrements.com/2017/01/building-pc-pentium-g4560/

Does this look any good? looking at building it

>>58787798
Get a cheap 24" BenQ GL or Asus VH, both are decent for the price and you could save a few bucks more if you can find either used.

>>58787818
Fuck no and whoever put this trash together should be shot on sight.

>>58787936
I thought since logicalincrements was linked in the OP it would be OK

What should I do then

>>58787961
Idk, budget & purpose?

>>58787998
Trying to keep it under $750 without OS

would like to play 1080P games at good FPS and would like it to be somewhat portable if possible

>>58788020
Logicalincrements is good for a basic idea, but after reading that whole list again... Jesus Christ what a mouth-breathing retard.

If you want something portable get a mATX, ITX or even HTPC build with a 6500 or 7500 plus a RX480 or GTX1060, the later offers good mini cards for SFF builds from Zotac and EVGA.

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>>58788147
>>58788147
>>58788147