/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Kaby Lake has been released! Skylake is depreciated if corresponding chips are similarly priced (e.g., i5 7600K vs i5 6600K)!
>Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks
>100 series chipsets (Z170, B150, ect) don't work out of the box with Kaby Lake
>Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo", which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well)
>Pentiums now have hyperthreading, and are thus the new default budget / entry level gaming CPUs
>Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform
>All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory
>Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, e.g, 3000MHz) RAM in conjunction with a Z series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a CPU overclock

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>>58771114
Who here has made the switch from ATX to ITX?

was it worth it?

If I'm using an air cooler, what's the best fan setup for my case?

2 intake 1 exhaust?

Talk me out of going for a Gsync monitor and 1080

>>58771143

Stop shilling this trash.

What do you think of my build?
>i5 6500
>RX 480
>8gb RAM
>Some MSI mobo
>Phantecks enthoo pro m
>A single 240gb SSD because I'm fucking poor and can't buy a second drive atm
And for the cherry on top
>a ten year old 19" TV that supports HDMI.

This is tangentially related
I have a mid 2012 13" macbook air with a damaged lcd panel
It's been like that for 3 years or so and the only problem is that there are like 4 black lines across the screen near the bottom edge
Is there a way to replace the panel with a panel from another laptop that has the same screen size?
Replacements go for $250 at least and that's an amount of moneybim not spending on a 5 years old laptop

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why haven't you set up proper cooling?

>>58771189
You could buy a used car instead

>>58771251
Is this supposed to be impressive?
It looks like normal idle temps to me

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/hFsXFd

Is 60Hz Freesync a waste of time/effort?

>>58771251
you'd be surprised how many people here post with temps up to like 60c.

also my cpu is overclocked to 4.4ghz

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>>58771114
>>58771143
>t. paid Intel shill
Fuck off.

>>58771285
Get a 1060.

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>>58771298
Well some people think it's disrespectful to post temps at idle

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>>58770571
>>58770396
here

Still struggling to get my GPU into my PCIe slot, has anyone ever encountered anything like this before? I had it working earlier today but when I installed my AIO it got nudged out and I haven't managed to get it to work again. ;_;

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hb8JRG

part list...

>>58771285

Yes it is. You're better off getting a 100+hz monitor, instead of limiting yourself for something that will just make it feel like you're playing at 75hz.

>>58771204
Get a $50 used 1080p monitor

>>58771285
Yes

Maybe this should be a good place to ask.

For how much should i sell 2 1GB DDR2 SO-DIMM sticks?

>>58771353
Yeah that shit happens.. reseat mobo, possibly install gfx card before screwing in mobo

>>58771410
Unless you live in Serbia, just recycle them. Otherwise check sold listings on ebay

>>58771285
>Is 60Hz Freesync a waste of time/effort?

Yes. Get a 1070 and over 100hz monitor. Gsync at 60hz is fucking stupid as all it does the same thing as non-sync above 100fps/hz.

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>>58771334
here's mine >>58771251 with prime95 26.6 running at 100% cpu for a few minutes

i'm using the corsair h60, never expected it to be this good

considering getting a built pc.

have a look.

spec it up and see how it compares to /g/ standards.

thinking

6600k

gtx 1070

16gb ram

..i have no idea how the exchange rate is?

http://www.awd-it.co.uk/awd-z1-intel-i5-6400-3.3ghz-gtx-1060-6gb-ddr5-vr-gaming-pc.html?gclid=CL_Uiq3U1tECFWsq0wodQcMMwQ#null

>>58771285

yes - needing sync tech at such a low level is stupid when you can just have a normal 100hz monitor which most cards can accommodate

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>>58771488
>>58771334
and here is GPU running with Furmark at settings much more intensive than any of my games.

struggling with ways to cool my gpu lately (it always sticks around 50-60 when gaymen) but for now it will do. once it starts hitting 70's is when I feel uncomfortable.

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>>58771539

>can't choose the mobo

>>58771369
It'll still look like 60hz, freesync will just make it so that less-than-60Hz will look like less-than-60hz, instead of like complete fucking trash

>>58771560

yeah im expecting thats not the only trade off.

>>58771251
close window, i dont want my flu to get worse. also HDDs like ~45C to live longer

>>58771488
Have you overclocked it yet? I didn't in the pic I posted, but now that my 6600k is 4.5GHz I idle at 30-40 and top out at 70°
>>58771551
My 1070 (overclocked to 2.1GHz) hits 70° after an hour or two fairly often, do you have a fan profile you can change? Changing "stock" fans to "turbo" fans really helped my gpu temps
I don't believe 70 is bad for a GPU though, I think 80 is even still fine

>>58771285
1080p/144hz freesync monitors are more affordable than anything with gsync, in fact 1080p+144hz freesync monitors are priced the same as normal 1080p+144hz monitors, if you're feeling peer pressured into buying something better.
you'll still enjoy a superior AMD+freesync set up over a nvidia+no gsync set up if you decide to get the 60hz monitor.

>>58771572

If you're struggling to keep 60fps @ 1080p then get a better GPU altogether.

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nice video game consoles

>>58771613

Well he should just get a 1070 and a 120hz monitor.

Problem solved.

The whole Sync meme is retarded gaymur shit.

>>58771615
>tfw APU laptop with freesync
>tfw 25fps isn't actually that bad

>>58771603
>>58771603
yes i have overclocked it. on a warmer day it idles around 25-28c.

i'll try that with the fans. i do like having a quiet pc though. have you noticed much difference overclocking your gpu?

>>58771613

only problem being no AMD cards ca hit 144fps unless you gimp the graphics settings like the poorfag you are

CANADIANS:

DO NOT BUY FROM DIRECTCANADA!

>>58771658
not to mention nvidia are fucking kikes that charge extra for it and it's just a software lockout to prevent everyone from having it

Why aren't mAtx boards more popular? Most people don't use more than 2 slots.

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>>58771714
exactly why i said he should just get the freesync 60hz monitor. but i know /pcbg/ is full of nvidia cock gobblers so you'll do anything to convince him not to buy AMD.

>>58771706
Not too much but I never had "almost enough fps" so I didn't pay attention to the gainz quite as much. I feel like I gained maybe 5-20 fps depending on the game. The temps didn't change much at all from stock, aside from the 60° top changing to a 70° top. To be honest though I think I could OC my GPU even more, I never got any errors while testing and overclocking it, I just stopped at 2100mhz because online people are even having troubles reaching 2100mhz; I don't think my $380 1070 just happened to win the silicon lottery, but I don't know why there aren't any errors, so I just left it at 2.1GHz

>>58771751
>freesync 60hz

or he can just get a 1060 or a 1070 and a 100+hz monitor that isn't garbage

limiting yourself to 60hz for a meme is so fucking stupid

Will the gtx 1080 get a price cut?

When and how much?

>>58771771
>getting a 1060 when you could get a 480

>>58771751

how butthurt do you have to be to make that image
I mean I understand consolefags fighting because of exclusives, but this is literally poorfags being mad because objectively better shit is more expensive

>>58771771
I agree, there's just way too many good 1080p/60fps cards to justify free/gsync at 60hz
At the higher end, where you might get 60fps and you might get 144fps depending on the game, that's where it's worth it

>>58771149
>was it worth it?

i can fit my PC in my entertainment shelf so yeah, i thought it was worth it for my situation.

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when it comes to monitors i have no idea what to do. so what would be the best one for this build?

>>58771791

>getting a 480 when you can get a 1070

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>>58771771
>or he can just get a 1060
same performance as an rx 480, even worse, and freesync 1080p/144hz freesync monitors cost the same as non freesync ones. do you expect him to pull money out of his ass? give him realistic advice you fucking mong.

Are the performances gains worth the cost from a g 4560 vs i5 7400/7500? Mainly for gaming.

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>>58771790
March 8th at 7:43 PM EST, a single EVGA 1080 will be cut by $160 on Amazon
You didn't hear this from me

>>58771771
>or he can just get a 1060 or a 1070

nah just a 1070

480 outperforms the 1060

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>>58771808

>buying anything but a titan x

>>58771809

link to specific vid? this guy is great

Is 2 slots better than 4 when it comes to ram? I remember reading somewhere, whether it was here or somewhere else, that using 2 slots is better.

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>>58771833
Yes get a 1070 instead of a 480 for 1080p goyim

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>>58771836
>passmark

>>58771854

whats wrong with passmark?

>>58771845
2>1
2=4
Unless you're using X99, then 4>2

>>58771771

but if you're on a budget where a lower end amd card is available, then freesync at 60hz is ideal

that's what it was meant for

gsync for poorfags

amd has always been for poors

>>58771864
And 4=8 for X99 too
But don't worry about it too much because DDR3=DDR4

>>58771807
Get 2x 8GB RAM
GTX 1070
1440p 144Hz Gsync

>>58771815
Not in my opinion as long as you're using a 1060/480 or less

>>58771845
You're thinking of dual channel

>>58771861
it's user benchmarks which means there will be all kinds of fucking hardware combinations, bottlenecks guaranteed being included in the results, thus it's not reliable for anything where you want to prove shit.

if you want to post something reliable, post results from a test where they only switched one component (in this case the GPU) and everything else in the system was the same.

>>58771881
i've already got everything
the 1080 is a monster

all i need is a good monitor

>i don't see why anyone would buy the 1070 when you can have a 1080 for just a couple hundred dollars more.

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http://au.pcpartpicker.com/b/4CBPxr

>bottleneck

fucking how

Thoughts?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GV2VCy

I understand that an i5 could accomplish everything I need but if I'm dropping ~1500-2000 bucks on a new computer I want it to be as beefy as I can get it.

>>58771916
Passmarks GPU benchmark is not dependent on loading your CPU, it can isolate the GPU performance and I'm sure none of those systems used actually have a hardware bottleneck
Maybe now you'll understand that bottleneck doesn't mean what you think it means like I've been telling this thread for weeks
I will agree passmark as well as all crowd-sourced benchmark generators is shit, but not because a GPU-specific benchmark was used on different systems

>>58771861
>for instance puts the buldozer cpu ahead of the i5 2500 but most would agree the i5 2500 is a better cpu.

it's pants on head retarded because it doesnt measure actual performance.

>>58771866
freesync is universally praised as the better option, and scales all the way up to 144Hz. but by all means, give your shekels to Nvidia for an inferior product if it makes you feel "rich".

>>58771936
He means that while his GPU can get 300fps in witcher, his CPU can only get 90, making him only get 90fps while having not-maxed GPU usage
That's what most people think bottleneck means. Hardware bottlenecks or permanent bottlenecks of any kind hasn't been a thing in the last 8 years of desktop systems

>>58772001

so basically he's an idiot

>>58771976
>universally praised as the better option
>can't do multi monitor
>can't do border less window
>much smaller fps range than gsync
>often botched up by cheap monitor manufacturers
But I mean it's $100 cheaper, right? And Free?
That's what really matters

>>58771976
>freesync is universally praised as the better option,

Only because it's cheaper and better implemented. Gysync is just needlessly overpriced. The problem with Freesync at 144hz is that no AMD card can reach that on decent detail settings. And if you're going for 60hz Freesync, you're better off just going over 100fps/hz.

tl;dr freesync is only praised because gsync is a failure

>>58771970
>>58771861
>Some benchmarks are more useful than others. sites like cpuboss, gpuboss, passmark, and cpu-world do not provide an accurate picture of the performance you are going to see from the hardware they compare.
>This is especially true for gaming related benchmarks. When you are looking at benchmarks, you should look for comparisons that run actual games on comparable systems. Anandtech and tomshardware are trustworthy sites and their comparisons are valid.

>>58772032
>That's what really matters
no this also matters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcF36_qMd8M

>>58771881

are all 144hz 1440p monitors the same

>>58772053

>that video

literally a poorfag complaining he can't afford nvidia cards

>>58772063
I think 3 out of the like 5 1440p/144hz monitors on the market use the same panel
But to play games on a screen like that you'll want either gsync or some ballin-ass GPU

>>58772053

>nvidia trying to push gaming forward
>amd holding it back

>>58772113

does a gtx1080 qualify as ballin-ass

>>58772101
>philip
>poorfag
also nice fallacy

>>58772126
more like novidya hindering it and hampering the competition

Whats the best m.2 nvme drive out right now?

>>58771963
You might want a better cooler and faster ram. Also why the sound card? A sound card that cheap isn't going to sound better than your on board audio.

>>58772137
No what you have is a balls-in-ass GPU

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>>58772151
Samsung 960 Pro.

>>58772157

o rly, then i should be set

>>58772152
My current system has bullshit buzzing with onboard audio. I just threw the sound card in to guarantee I won't have it in the new system.

>>58772174
you think its really wroth $329?

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>>58772176
Yeah you are, just be sure to break the news about your homosexuality to your parents gently

>>58772202

i'll break the news in 1440p @ 100fps on ultra

>>58772193
Not that anon, but you did ask for best. That's performance, not value.

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>>58772193
No. But that's not what you asked.
I'd look for the cheapest 950 pro, or SM951 (the NVME version)
Really outside of Samsung there's not many NVME drives worth buying, I fell for the Intel 600p meme, it's slightly faster than SATA but a 950/960/951 fucking blows it away
If you don't care about NVME, I wouldnt get one really, SATA ssds are plenty fast

>>58772193

you should go with the crucial 250gb, that's your best bet.

you're losing around 1/10000 of a second in performance but you're saving about a hundred bucks

>>58772218
True but I thought it would be like $200 not $329 but it is the best. How is the performance ratio to value?

>>58772242
>How is the performance ratio to value?
You can figure that shit out for yourself. Find the read/write speed per dollar.

Nvidia is slimy but it's the best we have right now.

A 1070/1080 with a Gsync monitor probably costs more than it should because AMD can't keep up, but it's also the best experience you're going to get. You're paying a premium, but it's worth it in the end if you love high-end gaming.

Yes, it theoretically COULD be cheaper if life didn't suck, but here we are. The tech world is always about giving your asshole up for the shiny gadget.

If a nice PC means a lot to you, and you're smart enough to not tack on MUH GAMING LED RAM, you can have the top experience without paying an EXTREME amount.
With any tech, only buy it if you're going to get a lot out of it. For many of us in this thread and on /g/, we likely will.

WHICH ONE WOULD YOU CHOOSE

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/vcNPYr

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Prt8XH

>>58772265
The top one

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>>58772242
It's extremely fast.
That's all that this boils down to, do you care enough to pay for it or are SATA speeds fast enough?
I just remembered my laptop has an NVME SM951, it boots up extremely fast but outside of bootup and huge file transfers I can barely tell the difference between my Intel SATA drive
The Intel 730 is also a pretty top-tier SSD, not in speeds but in reliability, failsafes, RAID scaling and just long-term usage, it's gone up in price over the years though

>>58772238
yeah I want the nvme

>>58772265

https://strawpoll.com/3134a5z

>>58772263
the extra cost of gsync is an imaginary cost, just like beats by dre and other fancy brands. there is nothing about the tech that actually makes it cost $100 extra. and it's only a piece of code that stops everyone else from utilizing it, just like the old SLI "certified" motherboards.

stop supporting kikes that are ripping us off

>not using a 240hz monitor
Plebs

>>58772253
i could but im sure someone has a guide somewhere you autistic faggot

>>58772316

>RX4080

wot

>>58772336
must be the next AMD Vega card!

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>We need to close the AMD account, theyre already making the PS5 GPU
>But Samsung hasn't picked a partner for PCIE 4
>I don't want to touch the Intel account... Oh shit, they're making their own GPU, I forgot
I got that info from an authentic pajeet btw

>>58771722
Why

>>58771114
How does this gaming build look?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/prPVCy

>>58772328
>Getting upset when someone tells you to do basic math yourself instead of asking /g/ to spoonfed you

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>people think AMD will have a card to match the 1080 for a lower price

the best they'll have is a 1070 killer at best

>>58772409
But the 1070 is the 1080 killer to anybody in middle class

>>58772399
Looks fine. Why do you need 2tb though?

>>58772424
I have a 1 TB drive and it's almost full.

>>58772399

looks good. other posters will probably tell you to switch out the HDD for a different company (Hitachi) and the power supply for a different company (EVGA G2). but realistically it'll be able to crush 1080p and maintain over 70fps in 1440p, sometimes with max settings.

>>58772193
no its not. as a 950 pro owner, other than transfer speed numbers it seems to make no noticeable difference in everyday usage.

For a price of a 950 pro, you are better getting a large (1tb or bigger) SSD.

is cpuboss credible? i have an i7 920 and want an upgrade without a new mobo, so the xeon looked like the best compatible cpu at a decent price. also, are these subjective review scores at cpuboss?

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Xeon-X5687-vs-Intel-Core-i7-920

>>58772433
Seasonic > EVGA

>>58772440

what's superior?

>>58772448
EVGA just uses rebranded SeaSonic PSUs.

>>58772439
CPUBoss is not credible at all.
Keep looking.

>>58772424
1tb drives have fucking shit price per GB you tard

>>58772456
Not all of them are seasonic

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

>>58772409
lol there is video proof of Vega running faster than a 1080, jesus. It's not hard to do when you've got an extra year to do it

>>58772488
Faster in Vulkan than a 1080 in Vulkan
Vulkan vega vs OpenGL 1080 is a different fight

>>58772476
Okay? If it never gets used it's a waste of money. It's also a better deal to buy items in bulk, that doesn't mean you should do it. I was just curious, I've never used over a tb

>>58772409

480 is already a 1070 killer

>>58772400
>being autistic enough to reply back to me after i told you to fuck off

/g/ design me an mITX case with i5 and a GPU that can run Mass Effect Andromeda for $500 pls.

>>58772574
(You)

>>58772518
if you were to buy a car, would you choose the one with worse trunk space just because it's a few percent cheaper, even tho everything else about it is the same?

when it's like $10 extra for twice the space it shouldnt even be up for discussion. and if you want to justify it to yourself, it has better resell value and if you ever decide to store downloaded media or backup your physical media (movies, music etc) you dont have to buy another drive.

>>58772439
>>58772462
better? does it seem like a worthy upgrade for $90?

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=834&cmp%5B%5D=1313

>>58772548
Here's your you buddy. Enjoy.

>>58772574
Playstation 4

>>58772574
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9ft8XH

>>58772614
keep in mind this is just for a gaming rig to go with an rx 480. i might upgrade ram, too

>>58772614
see >>58772053
go look at actual fucking gaming benchmarks.

>>58772739
or other real benchmarks if you dont game

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/6cBfD8
Good itx gaming? I5 worth the upgrade?

>>58772960
>spending over 2 times more on storage than the CPU
is this bait? this has to be bait...

Want to build a nice mini-pc for my mum for her birthday. Just for use with webpage stuff and internet browsing.

How's this for it (I have the CPU left over from something else)?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lgy4Gf

>>58773015
Why not a smaller itx case or a tiny one with a brick psu?

if my cpu gets up to 73 degrees when stress testing, does that mean i shouldnt overclock it without better cooling, or i should test it to see if it gets any hotter when overclocked?

>>58773015
that fucking cancer case for your mom? it's not even small...

>>58773081
you should test with real life loads and see what it reaches. if those temps are fine you can go further if you want.

>>58773015
>spending $130 on a huge flashy meme ITX case that cost more than everything else inside when it's for your mother

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tWRTNN

also im sure you can put that gold rated fanless PSU to better use

I got a i5 4690, Asus HD97 Plus motherboard, and 8gb of ram, what card should I put in this system for 1080p gaming and maybe 4k video playback if it can handle it?

>>58773400
H97*

>>58773216
Yeah, I don't know shit about cases and was hoping to get good suggestions.

>>58773427
it depends on how small you want it, if you want a tower style, box style or flat desktop style.

>>58773400
RX480

>>58773465
>RX480
4gb or 8gb?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YFcw8K
what do you think /g/

>>58773465
Box is fine. What is flat desktop style?

Did I fuck up /g/?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YqZZr7

I already have a 1TB SSD and a mouse.

>>58773477
currently i dont think it makes much difference, but 8gb will future-proof it a bit more. there are other slight differences between the two than just VRAM, so look those up. probably worth it if you're not on a tight budget

>>58771602
Wrong, their death rate shoots up once you go above 45 degrees. Anything below that is great.

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>>58773477
there's really no reason to get anything but the 8GB version unless it's like $50 more expensive.
some newer games like Resident Evil 7 shits itself with less than 6GB VRAM.

>>58773478
>last generation CPU
>3rd party cpu cooler that's worse than stock intel cooler
>not Z chipset mobo when it's only like $10 more
>1TB BLACKED HDD when you can get 2TB drives that are just as fast for cheaper
>gtx 1050ti when rx470 and even 460 is better in every way
>optical drive in this year

>>58773490
pic related

>>58773528
>wrong
that's not what real statistics from thousands of house and thousands of drives from real datacenters show.

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I'm a bit older dude who'd appreciate some general direction. Not really up to date on technical things.

I need a PC for digital art (Photoshop + graphics tablet etc.) and it should run smooth when working on larger files with many layers. I don't need a monster gaming machine. Any ideas for a build?

Also a large monitor with good colour range would be nice. I'm currently running on a 4:3 flat screen from the early 2000s. :P

I suppose I should aim for a lot of ram and an SSD, right?

>>58773551
Pretty stupid.

>some newer games like Resident Evil 7 shits itself with less than 6GB VRAM.
No. Turn off the Shadow Cache. No visual improvement, very slight performance improvement if you have a large VRAM buffer

>gtx 1050ti when rx470 and even 460 is better in every way
RX470 is better price/perf, RX460 should almost never be purchased.

>>58773597
Probably i7 7700, B250 mobo if you can afford it, 16GB of RAM.

>>58773597
can you wait until march? new AMD cpu coming out then that should shake up the market a bit.

but at least get an i5 but i7 preferably for better performance. plenty of ram, at least 16GB but maybe even 32GB depending on how many layers and stuff.

photoshop can also use GPU to speed things up so I'd suggest an RX480.

yes, definitely get an SSD as it makes loading the program and files much faster. NVMe if you want superior performance, but make sure your motherboard supports NVMe aswell.

>>58773551
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vp68XH
updated some what

>>58773711
>gets 2 1TB HDD's
whew lad

>Ignores motherboard and graphics card suggestions

>>58773784
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Phht4C
hold up

>>58773711
here, you can stop being a retard now:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3TGq7h

>>58773829
thanks

Stupid question but umm, what is better Windows 10 Home or Pro? I am building a bargain PC if that helps.

>>58773846
you can check the difference on microsoft's website.

Can you share with me the best 470/480's deals you know of?

Preferrably aftermarket so they don't burst into flames.

>>58773852
OK thank you, just asked in case there was this secret odd problem with Pro or something. I always bought the pro in the past because its been great for me, went to Apple for the 2010's so far and wasn't sure about Win10.

>>58773866
>buying your operating system
>paying to be spied upon

What's a good, budget 240-256gb SSD?

>>58773551

a lot of people get the WD black because it has a better warranty

I want to build a budget gaming rig. This is what I have put together so far from looking at Logical Increments and changing a few things.

The most I will want to spend more on the GPU is $10. I don't know what alternatives there are. I have no desire to play things on Ultra settings, but I also want this to last a while.

I am also unsure about the PSU, if 500W is too much for a supposedly 230W powerdraw.

Criticize me please. Will be my first build.

Australian dollars.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/yN8JRG

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>>58773880
>The most I will want to spend more on the GPU is $10
just use the integrated gpu in the intel CPU then?

>>58773888
Did you even look at the link?

>>58773891
did you even look at your own post?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Rx7XFd

just want a pc to practice/test overclocking with

>>58773888
Meaning, AUS $200 is the most I would want to spend on the GPU. Are you saying I can get by just on the Pentium's integrated graphics? I don't think I would want to do that.

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Hello /g/ I am buying a refurbished pre-built for my rx 470 to mainly play games on. I am buying one with at least a 2nd gen i5's or i7's since they are still capable. i5 desktops are generally 25$ to 50$ cheaper than the i7 desktops for the ones I am looking to get. Is an old 2nd gen i7 chip worth the extra money vs a 2nd gen i5 desktop? I will be playing 1080p60hz with demanding titles such as Arma and Squad

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My r9 390 recently got fried in a freak power surge and i'm getting some real bad artifacts in a few games, looking for an upgrade because fuck it i don't feel like going through the warranty process, any recommendations?

>>58773905

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/JMVBD3/gigabyte-radeon-rx-460-4gb-windforce-oc-video-card-gv-rx460wf2oc-4gd

what does /g/ think of Tech Deals? He make very informative videos and doesn't bore you at all. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCss3QxegBkF8BAetIo0qXA/videos

>>58773923
Thanks. I considered this card, but apparently the 1050 performed better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuJZ1hbBV4I

Did the AMD card age better over time?

>>58773939

He's a salesman with pleb tastes. Sucks Corsair's dick too much.

>>58773905
depends which games you're going to play.

but what is your max budget?

some games wont even start unless you have 4 threads like latest generation i3 or i5.

do you really need the HDD? you could get a bigger SSD from the start instead.
it's easy to add another HDD later when you need it and can afford it.

>>58773943
>Did the AMD card age better over time?
yes.

>>58773908
go through the warranty process to at least resell then, unless ur rich af then send it to me :^)

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>>58773983
How much can i sell it for? I got one of them fancy sapphire cards.

rx 480 or rx 470?

>>58774019
480 has better cooling, which i think was somewhat of a problem with 460 and 470

>>58773998
less than $50 unless you scam some nigger and dont tell them it's fried.
also, warranty process is not hard unless you dont have the receipt, you just enter what's wrong with it and send it in ffs

>>58774019
>better card or worse card
gee i wonder

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do think CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM 49.0 is a good cpu cooler?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/v4K3d6

rate me

>>58774138
>$4000.00

>>58774064
I just don't want to be without a functioning pc for extended periods of time.

>>58774127
It's okay.

>>58774127
no, i know it's a good cooler. you should try reading a fucking review yourself and you'd know that aswell.

>>58774138
Not sure i'd buy a dead socket at this point, especially when Ryzen seems to be a good competitor for even Broadwell-E and is coming out within a month.

also
>not buying 4 stick kit so you can actually use quad channel when you're spending that much money

>>58772536
Not at 1440p

>>58774152
Use the integrated video.

>>58774127

It's a very good mid-range one for cooling mid-range CPUs like i5Ks.

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>>58774178

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>>58773081
>tfw 73° on brand new laptop just playing runescape

CRYORIG H7 or 212 evo?

>>58774234
buy a new one, RMA the old one, sell one of them when you get back the RMA.

>>58774138

fucking retarded


fixed

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RtVcm8

>>58774247
whichever is cheaper

>>58774247

H7

whats a good brand of hard drives

>>58774295
all of them

>>58774295

hitcahi

>>58774295
Mixza

>>58774249
I may as well just buy 1070 or something

>>58774313
you're not going to RMA? why would you throw away over $150 ?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/vJp2TH

should I bother paying another $150 for an i7, or should overclocking the i5 be more than enough?

>>58774351
if you want less FPS drops and want it to last longer, yes.

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>>58774327
I would just buy 1070 and RMA the 390, duh.

>>58774382
>duh
didnt write like that's what you meant

>>58774351

It's fine. I wouldn't bother spending that extra $150 when you're marrying it with a 1070. I'd only use an i7 with a 1080 personally. Games like Fallout 4 still have plenty of frame drops with i7s anyway.

>>58774399
>doesnt know you will have a much more stable FPS with higher minimum FPS which means you can use higher settings or avoid getting noticeable frame drops

>fallout 4

Not entirely for building a computer, but I have a question for a new storage HDD. Are Seagates reliable these days? I'm debating whether to get a 3 TB Seagate (ST3000DM008) or 3 TB Western Digital Red (WD30EFRX). I have no bad experiences with either brand previously, but feel it can't hurt to ask.

>>58774415

>doesn't know he can just overclock his i5 for the same results saving him $150

where are ausfags getting Windows 10 and not getting completely ripped off

>>58774443

kinguin

it's like $40

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>>58774443
Microsoft website then activator

>>58774427
Fuck Seagate, the worst HDDs I've owned. Blackblaze might have info about those models or sister model

Anyone know whether those new AMD Polaris Firepros are in stock anywhere? I want the RX 460 counterpart to stick in my thin-ITX case.

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>>58771114
What is the best 1366 CPU that I can buy right now? Is it a 990x, or some Xeon?

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>>58774429
>just OC
but you cant get more threads just by OCing you tard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhaB1dqYv_I

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>>58774399

>have i5 and 1070
>get into fight in the middle of Boston
game chugs
>get an i7
>no difference

some games are just poorly optimized I guess

>>58774540

threads don't mean shit, stop spreading this meme

Never built one before. Was recommended this by a friend. Is it any good?
https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/xgNnTW/budget-homeoffice-build

to overclock the cpu, is it best to just find the highest blck freq at a low ratio, then incrementally increase the ratio until you hit high temps or instability?

>>58774540

>threads
>mattering in video games

>>58774551
>some games are just poorly optimized I guess
true
>threads don't mean shit, stop spreading this meme
except every review shows it does, maybe you should check one, i even linked it for you but you seem to have just ignored it because it didnt fit your world view

>>58774555
Also not looking for gaming. Just browsing and YouTube, plus some torrenting.

>>58774540

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VacoxdT1o04

>>58774565
and, in addition to this, any recommendations for programs to test stability?

>>58774574

hardly any games even take advantage of it

stop being a parrot

>>58774567
it's not 2006 any more, check the link i posted it clearly shows it does make a difference in some games.

>>58774582
>do gamers need it?
no
>does it give you higher minimum FPS?
yes.

you can stop posting now

>>58774565
just increase the ratio
>>58774600
prime95, intelburntest, playing some games.

>>58774617
check the link i posted you snowed in mongoloid

>>58774617
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3039552/hardware/tested-how-many-cpu-cores-you-really-need-for-directx-12-gaming.html

and now i'll wait for the next person to say how all of these tests are bullshit. it's so nice to live in a world where you make all the rules.

>>58774631
>need it?
>no

there we go

>>58774486
Interesting, I'm very glad I asked. I haven't bought a new HDD since around 2009-2010, so I've been looking around a bit, but most of my searches have just been general reviews on the products.

I'm a bit surprised at the high failure rates on WD main brand considering everyone I know always recommends them, particularly red and black variants. Looks like I should try to go for an HGST drive if possible, thank you.

>need gpu brace
>everything on amazon looks dumb
I'm going to need to /diy/ one, aren't I?

>>58774634

http://wccftech.com/witcher-3-cpu-benchmarks-fx-63008350-i7-4790ki5-4690ki3-4130g3258-oc/

>witcher 3
>6fps gain by switching to an i7

>>58774576
>>58774555
no reason to buy last generation when there's hardly any price difference.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RwPXFd

>>58774644
>>58774662
that was never the argument, learn to read you fucking tard. we're talking about minimum FPS.

>>58774670

>13 minimum fps by switching to an i7
>11 fps difference between an i7 and an 8-core AMD

>>58774656
What's wrong with this?
https://www.amazon.com/Puget-Systems-Universal-Acrylic-Brace/dp/B019ZZQVK8

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>>58774662
>>58774644
>>58774617
>>58774582
>>58774567
>>58774551
>>58774687
https://youtu.be/EhaB1dqYv_I?t=1m50s

>>58774694

stop posting this video

it means nothing

hyper-threading won't be that important for a while

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>>58774687

>20 minfps gain by adding 2 cores

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>>58774702
>actual real life benchmarks
>doesnt mean anything because i say so

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>>58774705

>it's almost like AAA games are designed to use as many cores as possible

>>58774690
>has a logo
>don't trust it to not break after being installed and removed
>need to install 2 gpu's

>>58774702
The guy in the video basically says that though, but doesn't change the rest of it.

>>58774705

>hyperthreading gave the 6700K a 15 fps advantage over the 6600K and a minimum advantage of almost 20 fps

where are all those noobs who don't think hyperthreading is good for gaming?

>>58774722
>basically says
he literally shows proof that an i7 gives you more stable frames and a higher minimum framerate.

it's not even up for discussion.

>>58774733
i replied to them here: >>58774694
those linked there are the idiots (the idiot samefag maybe?) that doesnt like being proved wrong with real life tests in multiple games.

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and here's a fun one for all of those guys who don't think a 1080 is worth the price.

>20fps improvement over a 1070

>>58774753
that's not what we're talking about. also the price increase from a 1070 to a 1080 is a bit higher than from i5 to i7 so the cost/performance is worse. and you'll need an i7 to make the most of a 1080 aswell.

>>58774656
>needing a gpu brace
you don't need one unless you are moving your computer around a lot and it has a retarded hueg cooler.

>>58774753
20-30% improvement for a 50% price increase. You're not wrong, but the 1070 is still quite strong, and probably enough for most people.

>>58774745

Please tell me you're not trying to say that CPU performance is overrated because it doesn't matter when you're running some benchmark animations.

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>>58774778
I sometimes move it and I don't like sag
and I have 2 of these

I want to build something around a 1060 my bro bought.
No too fancy justo to use it for games

>>58774753
now do one for 4k
I'd wager the 1080 shits all over the 1070 at 4k

>>58774803

if you want a brace, get it. even if it's just for aesthetics. GPU sag looks like shit.

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>>58774817

>15% improvement

and it might just be 15%, but it's enough to cross the 60fps threshold in several games.

2700k
With a Titan Xp

>>58774794
no, you asked who the idiots that thought threads didnt matter are, i pointed them out.

>>58774821
it can help prevent wear on your PCI-E slot

>>58774815
7th gen i5.
8 or 16GB RAM.
B250 mobo if you're not OCing, z270 if you are.

>>58774866
>couldn't color code each game with a color next to the title rather than just the word
shit chart

and because a lot of people who would be debating between a 1080 and a 1070 would be gaming in 1440p, here's something more relevant.

>>58774869

obviously you didn't point out the right people, because i was trying to provide evidence that hyperthreading frees up FPS.

and anyone who doesn't think hyperthreading/more cores is good for games, doesn't understand how a CPU works.

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>>58774891

fuck

>>58774906
my bad then

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I promised myself some upgrades

I have around £250-300 to spend on upgrading or adding several parts. What do you reckon I should go for first?

>>58774949
gpu?

>>58774949
more RAM and SSD.

>>58774969
390 is still a good card.

>>58774969
I don't think that's a priority right now

>>58774971
What specific products do you recommend?

>>58774949

my brother runs that exact same build except with a GTX1080, and he uses the rig to code VR.

I've got a 2700K, any idea whether a Titan Xp would be restricted by it? The P67 socket still does PCI 2.0

>>58774753
>$500 more than the 1070 in Aus

I'll wait to see what AMD brings to the table

Are the $4 Windows 10 pro 64 bit keys on eBay legit? It's only the key and I download windows from the MS website. It shouldn't be botnet correct?

>>58775025
Just pirate you cock.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MP3yyf
>want a tiny computer for LAN parties
>don't especially need good performance, low settings don't bother me as long as the FPS is stable

>>58771114
Why the fuck is Mini ATX smaller than Micro?
Shouldn't it be mini > micro > nano > Pico?

This triggers my autism

>>58774988
RAM doesnt really matter, i'd probably go with the same model you already have unless it's a lot more expensive than the alternative. Speed difference doesnt matter either cus they should automaticall downclock to the speed the slowest stick runs at.
You can also buy used if you think new sticks are too expensive, since all brands have lifetime warranty on RAM.

For SSD, Samsung 850 or 950. at least 240GB if you want enough space to make some games to load faster.

>>58775014
there's more than enough bandwidth even in the old PCI-E standard for that GPU.

but it depends on the games if it will be bottlenecked or not.

>>58775025
>>58775036
this.
cheap chinese copy will probably get deactivated (heard it happen for someone on this board). if you use the right activator you dont have to worry.

>>58775050
there is no mini atx standard. you're thinking about ITX.

it's
>E-ATX
>ATX
>micro-ATX
>mini-ITX

should be able to calm your autism if you can understand that they are two different standards.

>>58775061
>>58775036
Meh I will just use my old PC's CD-Key.

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>>58775050
>mini ATX
Every time

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Question if I have two sticks of ram and it's dual channel and I get two more sticks of ram that's also dual channel but all 4 sticks are the same, I won't run into any issues right?

>>58775171
you dont even need to have the same speed, you can set them to run at the slowest ram stick's speed.

>>58775171
>>58775213
all same size is also not required, just make sure you have the same total size for each channel (i.e. for 2x4GB + 2x2GB put 6GB in each channel)

Buy RAM and SSD now, buy RX480 8GB, i5 6600K or equivalent ryzen (>implying) with mobo and rest of the build after ryzen premiere, change RX480 for GTX1070 or equivalent GTX11x0 / Vega when they both come out in couple of months.

Yay or nay?

Also is 256 SSD enough?

>>58775295
i have no fucking idea what you're on about, but i can tell you it's always better to buy everything at the same time if you're getting a new system (or near complete new system).
also if it's just 1-2 months wait time for something it's worth waiting to see if that thing is worth it or not.

>>58771149
I've been trying to do that for my much needed upgrade build (I'm on a Core 2 Duo/HD7670 here) but I can't decide on whether to get an i3 or an i5. I need the multitasking capabilities so the G is out of the question, but I'm not sure if I use it often enough to go straight for the i5. Everything else will be the same though: single stick of 8GB RAM, RX480 4GB, Thermaltake cube case, and B150 motherboard.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oldmanj/saved/G2P9TW

>>58775314
RAM and SSDs prices are supposed to rise, and also i don't want to buy overpriced GTX1070, so i thought i would switch for equivalent when vega and new gefroce cards come out

>>58775316
think of it like this. with the i5 you wont have to upgrade as soon down the road.

also, wait to see if ryzen is good, it's only 1 month until release.

>>58775339
they seem to have risen a little bit already so i'd get them straight away (or buy used RAM) before they get even more expensive.

480 is a good purchase and vega isnt coming until Q2 so that's up to you if you want to wait or not.

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Just took over $1500 in lieu of vacation time, so figure it's about time to build a new rig.

P400S or S340? I can't decide.

>>58775390
So i'll propably go for SSD and RAM this month, and wait with rest for zen.

Is 256 GB enough for gaming PC?
Should i go for RAM faster than 2133 Mhz clock speeds?

>>58775339
I bought 16gb 3000mhz ram for $67 a few months ago

>>58775430
Get a better PSU, cooler and a non chinkshit GPU, PowerColor is jewing you on all components used on their RX cards.

>>58775430
wait until ryzen is out.

get a better cooler.
you can get 2TB HDD for only $10-15 more.
get 8GB version of the GPU.
get a gold rated modular PSU.
the case comes with some preinstalled fans (but seems like you wanna replace them all with "cool" LED ones).

>>58775451
>Is 256 GB enough for gaming PC?
Depends on how many games you want to install on it and the size of the games. 250GB is enough for Windows and 4 installations of GTA5.
3000Mhz RAM is the sweetspot, it gives you a tiny boost, but faster than that isnt worth the cost for just a few more frames.

>>58775490
At all times i will have TF2, Overwatch, Tribes and propably UT SDK. That leaves space for maybe two more games. I know i just answered myself but fuck me, why must be everything so expensive in yuropoorland

>>58771251
>Deck the shit out of computer with fans
>All temps are below 45C at full load
>Summer comes along to shit all over my hard invested work

>>58775485
>>58775490

That PSU is well reviewed and comes with a 5 year warranty, what is wrong with it? Gold is getting a bit pricey, I just need a decent bronze.

What cooler would you recommend? Cryorig H7 is not available in my country, and I don't want to spend more than $35 on a cooler.

I read reviews that say 8gb vs. 4gb RX 480 is negligible. I should mention, this is only for 1080p gaming. I am skeptical about the GPU, but it is $60 less than the other RX 480 4gb. Is it worth $60 for a better quality of the same kind of GPU? It will be upgraded later down the road.

As for storage, I don't see myself needing 2TB (I have a 1TB external), but with WD Blue goes to 5400 RPM on 2TB+. Shouldn't I stick with 7200RPM, or should I switch it to Seagate (which I hear fails a lot more).

I will wait for Ryzen if it doesn't get delayed, but not holding my breath.

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A three hour /pcbg/ general.. probably the fastest I've seen it hit the bump limit

Hello guys
What mobo should I buy - MSI Z170A SLI PLUS or ASRock Z170 Extreme4?
Both priced similar but which one is better?

my case is broken

what kind of case should I go

>>58775544
>That PSU is well reviewed and comes with a 5 year warranty, what is wrong with it?
nothing, but there are far better options
>I just need a decent bronze.
never skimp on the PSU, you'll regret it if something happens and all your shit gets fried.

>As for storage, I don't see myself needing 2TB (I have a 1TB external)
then ditch the HDD and get a bigger SSD.
>but with WD Blue goes to 5400 RPM on 2TB+. Shouldn't I stick with 7200RPM
stop being a brand fanboi you faggot, there are other choices.
>or seagate
or toshiba, or hitachi, or highstar, or another WD that's not Blue.

>I will wait for Ryzen if it doesn't get delayed, but not holding my breath
it's already semi-confirmed at end of february/early march.

>>58775574
Z270

>>58775588
a case of guinness

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>>58775565
but the thread was created 7 hours ago

>>58775592
>never skimp on the PSU, you'll regret it if something happens and all your shit gets fried.

Isn't the Bronze just a lower efficiency? I didn't think it meant worse build quality. The S12-II uses Japanese caps and Seasonic is solid. We're talking about a $35+ difference for a same capacity gold PSU. I'll consider it though.

>or toshiba, or hitachi, or highstar, or another WD that's not Blue.

Not a brand fanboi, but I do have a WD in my 7 year old rig right now, hasn't given me any problems. Hitachi is way too expensive, have considered Toshiba though. What other WD are good? Black?

>it's already semi-confirmed at end of february/early march.

Fabulous. I can't wait much longer to build this, my current rig sounds like an airport.

New
>>58775611
>>58775611
>>58775611

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>>58775616
Oh right..

>>58775601
>Z270
2costly4me

Is anyone worried that parts are going to become scarce as soon as Ryzen launches? I know a dozen people IRL who all plan on upgrading at the same time from their old Core 2 Quad or Nehalem systems to Ryzen.

Should we start to stake out cases, PSUs, and good DDR4 RAM and what not?

>>58775626
>Isn't the Bronze just a lower efficiency? I didn't think it meant worse build quality.
gold rated ones use more high quality parts.
>The S12-II uses Japanese caps and Seasonic is solid.
this is true.
>We're talking about a $35+ difference for a same capacity gold PSU. I'll consider it though.
it's not just about that, pretty much everything is slightly higher quality, and it will have a better resistant to electrical surges etc that could damage your other parts.

Blacks are good and have extra long warranty but slightly more expensive.
But im pretty sure WD Blues are available in 2TB 7200RPM versions.

>>58775659
>$130 for ASUS Prime
>$20 more than equivalent Z170 alternative
>too costly
if you cant afford that you shouldnt be buying PC parts in the first place

>>58775679
DDR4 RAM maybe since those prices are going up already due to factory issues, but everything else, no.

>>58775544
PSU is good but for OC you want better.
Below $35 there isn't much and depending on how much you want to OC you will need more.
The $60 premium probably isn't worth it, but keep in mind this card is that cheap for a reason.
See if you can get a Toshiba P300 as HDD.

In what kind of shithole do you live?

>>58775574
Both are mediocore boards, should be much of a difference.

>>58775544
>What cooler would you recommend? Cryorig H7 is not available in my country, and I don't want to spend more than $35 on a cooler.
212 evo then if you're not going to OC.

>I read reviews that say 8gb vs. 4gb RX 480 is negligible. I should mention, this is only for 1080p gaming.
the price isnt much different either and there might be a game that needs more than 4GB (some are very close to that limit already).
Tho, if you already plan to upgrade in not too distance future, sure go for the 4GB version if it's a $60 difference.

>>58775743
>PSU is good but for OC you want better.

If I go with the S340, i'll put the savings into a better PSU.

>Below $35 there isn't much and depending on how much you want to OC you will need more.

Not going for every last bit of performance, and if I need to later i'll just get a better cooler.

>The $60 premium probably isn't worth it, but keep in mind this card is that cheap for a reason.

Noted. If I see another one on sale i'll probably pick it up.

>See if you can get a Toshiba P300 as HDD.

That's actually pretty solid, I think i'll pick it up.

>In what kind of shithole do you live?

Canada.

>>58775732
Technically yes, it's only efficiency, but this always comes paired with higher quality parts. For example, while chink and taiwanese capacitors are standard for bronze and below rated PSUs, you'll rarely find them on higher quality gold and above parts, just to give you and idea.

>>58775780
>Technically yes
no, it's "on paper"

> but this always comes paired with higher quality parts
why the fuck are you repeating what i just said?

>>58775774
>212 evo then if you're not going to OC.
You don't think that cooler can do any OC??? Aren't CPU supposed to be more efficient these days? How can this cooler work on previous CPU's but not the newest? I see lots of OC builds using this cooler and i've only heard good things.

>>58775804
Because i'm on mobile and replied to the wrong person.

>>58775811
sure you can OC some but if you will be limited quite a lot

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>>58775732
>ASUS Prime
Honestly, this one looks like overpriced Z170-P, painted by 12yo. Why should I pay more for inferior product?

>>58775910
why would you buy last generation tech when it's barely any cheaper and the new chipset has lots of new features?

>>58775857
I can deal with only a moderate OC until it becomes a bottleneck years down the road (who knows with how slow things have become) and then i'll get a better cooler.

>>58775755
Well, I just want a simple and reliable Z motherboard with minimalist aesthetic, decent audio and quality power phases.

>>58775921
>why would you buy last generation tech
Because for the same amount of money I can get more power power phases, more fan connectors and 8x8 crossfire if I ever need one.
>and the new chipset has lots of new features?
Like what?

>>58775910
Because that's what it is.
Almost all 200 boards look like vtard trash and most have even worse VRM.
Compare UD3 and UD5 for example.
Z170 version have the exact same excellent VRM while the Z270 UD3 is completely gimped down.

>>58775952
just go to some webshop like newegg and look at the popular choices, add them to comparison, look at the pics to see if they have better than average power phases (those black squares around the socket).

>>58775960
power phases are a meme with current generation unless you do super high OCing

it's more about controlling the heat.

>like what
look at a fucking comparison yourself, but shit like native NVMe is just one thing.