/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Kaby Lake has been released! Skylake is depreciated if corresponding chips are similarly priced (e.g., i5 7600K vs i5 6600K)!
>Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks
>100 series chipsets (Z170, B150, ect) don't work out of the box with Kaby Lake
>Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo", which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well)
>Pentiums now have hyperthreading, and are thus the new default budget / entry level gaming CPUs
>Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform
>All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory
>Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, e.g, 3000MHz) RAM in conjunction with a Z series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a CPU overclock

>Get some aftermarket fans with some self-tapping screws
>Didn't fit the screws in outside of the case first
>Really sloppy threads, looks kind of like your girl's asshole when I was done with it
Lesson learned.

So I currently have 3x 23" 1080p 60hz monitors and would like to upgrade to a higher resolution monitor for my main display and then have 2x portrait displays for the sides as I currently need more desk space. Would it be worth getting a 1440p 120+ hz monitor if the other two are still 60hz? Also I don't play games so would the extra hz even matter?

*buys LED fan*

>>58789310
you scoundrel you

What RX480 should I get?

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>>58788147

>Try to buy an SSD on mvwave
>Checkout page asks for bank login
>wtf is this
>Even their stupid McAfee logo refuses to load and assert security

>>58789428

WTF

>>58789460
Not trolling. Source:

https://www.mwave.com.au/help/faq/view/76

Looks like those security seals were literally just embedded images to some other site that used to host them, so if they were working, they violate McAfee and Norton's terms.

>>58788150
Kaby Lake is a scam

>>58789428
TIL: Paying an Indian to logon to your bank account and read your transaction history is technology.

>>58788150
Babby lake is finished because Ryzen will support Win 7.

>>58789428
>mvwave
Look it up, scam company.

>>58788150
Stop posting this

>>58789635

I just did. Looks like this bank detail thing was all over Reddit for a while. How the hell is this legal?

Is there a way to watercool a GPU without using a custom loop?

Which SSD should i buy? I was about to go for MX300 520 GB, but my friend told me some shit about worse memory type, failure rate and whatever, and i don't know what to do. What are some alternatives for that price?

>>58789852

Hybrid cooling is a thing. I personally think its a waste of time as vrms are temperature sensitive for effeciency and pushing mental overclocks requires lots of power.

>>58789852
Expandable AIO loop like Alphacool Eisbaer?

Should I switch my PSU to semi-fanless mode or full-fan mode?

>>58790390

Why do you care? Unless you are hot boxing your psu it only matters if you like the lower noise at low loads.

>>58790390
I don't see why you wouldn't get semi-fanless, it's not like its heating up a shit load by supplying 20% max load or less

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/drsLjc

Hi /g/
I got a new condo and I've given my old PC to my family. I'm using a meme acer laptop which is by far the worst investment in my life (i7 6700hq, gtx960m, 16gb ddr4, 120gb ssd, 1tb hdd, overheats like a bitch even with chrome).

My old PC had i5-2500k, amd 6970 and 8 gigs of ram. I'm looking into buying something that would fit into smallest case possible, something like Mac Mini (which is looking good imo).
Not a gaymer, I'd still want to run some new titles just to check em out. My old PC struggled with The Witcher 3, I need a PC that would run TW3 in 1080p at max details with 50+ fps (not falling for 60fps meme).

I was considering i5-7500 and RX 460. Maybe i5-7500 is overkill? I'm looking for the cheapest build possible ofc, only intel cpus

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Build my first pc here for casual gaming, every is already working, the thing is, i was thinking of getting a RX 460 but it turns out i can actually get an RX 480, the problem being that, according to PCpartPicker the whole consumption will be around 419W and my current EVGA is 430W, so my question is, is the consuption presented by PCpartPicker enough to fuck thing up or will the EVGA endure untill i can get something around 600W?

So how much longer do I have to wait for Another Massive Dissapointment?

>>58790985

Kabylake has already been released anon.

>>58790978
It will do. But it is working hard and could have early death, thus sending errant voltage and causing more damage.

>>58790515

what's with all the monitors

I'd just get 3x 1080

>>58791008

Quality psu's will run at full load (as long as they are kept within optimum temperature range) basically forever.

>>58791002
Kaby lake is fine if you are upgrading 4th gen cpu or older. Not worth it if you have a skylake obviously.

>>58791011

My table is too small for 3 monitors. I'm be using the 1080 with on in portrait. Getting the bigger one to try out 1400p when I'm over 1080 I guess.

>>58791008
anything i can do to minimize the consuption (like turning of one fan or two) would help?
>>58791016
Does that include EVGA 430W 80+ though?

>>58791026

>Kaby lake is fine if you are upgrading 4th gen cpu

"no"

>>58791039
Should be fine. What is the maximum ambient temps it experiences?

>>58791062

k

>>58791063
Around 35° during summer.

>>58791080
She'll be right m8.

>>58791088
Thanks mate, i was really worried for a moment there, i will still get something around 600W in the future so i have some margin for upgrades, but it's nice to know i don't have to stop everything just to buy it now.

>tfw 24 pcie lanes

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>>58788147
>>58788150
Fuck off you retarded Intel shill. Kelvin Lake is TRASH.

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>>58788150
>>Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks

I haven't looked into this but I find this very hard to believe.

Is anyone using a Samsung S24F350FHU?

>>58791190
I got 4.9 on air with auto tuning on my 7600k. But I put it back to stock as 40°C+ ambient temps dont help even with stock clocks.

I have an AMD A10 APU, is it worth building a new pc with a 7th gen intel and RX480 or just put the RX480 in with the A10 APU?

>>58791304
just buy Ryzen

>>58791351
>just get a shit smear

>>58791304
AyyyMD current cpus are total shit either wait for Ryzen or if you're impatient go Intel
my Intel Suggestions are:

Budget Pentium G4560 shit is so cache

Mid i5-7500 or the i5-6500 can be overclocked but needs a Z170

high i5-6600k/7600k or i7-6700k/7700k

The cheapest Intel Processor I can get in my country is Pentium G4400.

Is this good enough? I'm not a gaymer, I just play league of legends every now and then

>>58791885
Yes but G4560 is much better. The only reason to get the G4400 would be BCLK OC.

>>58791885

If you aren't pairing it with dgpu I really wouldn't want to get a pentium of any flavour even for LoL - AMD's apus are much, much better for the job.

>>58791915
>G4560

I can't find this anywhere. I think it's not available here yet

>>58792144
Lol wat, where do you live? Anyways, then get the G4400 and a 1050Ti or RX470.

>>58791885
>>58792087
This. I used a a10 6700 for two years, it played everything I wanted at medium 1080p, 30-40 fps. It'll handle lol and similar perfectly fine.

>>58790198

That looks pretty cool

>>58791304
That depends on what you want. I've been using a 980 with an a10 for a while, it works fine. But it bottlenecks hard. If you don't care about a solid 60 fps in current gen games, it can be a good idea to get the card and save for a full upgrade.

>>58792218

EKWB are getting in on that and their AIO (the predator) is basically a pre-filled custom loop.

>>58788147
>country
>USA

Considers USA a worthwhile country. Fuck off rednex pleb.

>>58790721
>I was considering i5-7500 and RX 460
Don't. The RX460 will bottleneck you hard. Even if you're not a gamer, get at least a RX470 4G.
>I'm looking for the cheapest build possible ofc
Cheapest build would be something like a 6500 + H110 + RX4704G.
>only intel cpus
Why not wait for Zen? It's almost here and if AMD drops the ball with this you can always get an i5.

>>58790978
>consumption will be around 419W and my current EVGA is 430W
It will endure it but you're already in the danger zone with such a load on that PSU. Upgrade it as soon as you can.

Been editing this build for my first PC (for gaymen purposes) over the past month. How is it? I need suggestions on what monitor to get in particular.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Thp3d6

>>58793136
>look mom i posted it again
What the fuck is wrong with you? You've been given advice mutliple times already?

Any of you lads rip cassettes or vinyl? What soundcard do you use?

>>58793845
Odd question. I rip/record cassettes with an older Kenwood hifi-system since i have a cassette radio in the car.
Don't own any vinyls, though.. maybe look at some Audio Technica gear, read that they make some decent vinyl equipment.

>>58788147

so western digital has the worst modern drives

at least seagate fixed their issues

>>58791495
t. goldstein

I want to build a rig for csgo (low settings) at constant 200-250fps. Im willing to spend around 700. Should I get the i5 6500 with rx470/480 or would the i3 6300 with rx470 do? Trying to avoid the pentium cpus

Anyone tried building one of the smaller mITX cases? Were there any unexpected bits or things that would be helpful to know?

>>58794605
>200-250fps
Are you retarded?

>>58794728

if you go to pcpartpicker, look through the completed builds. you can see what sort of GPU clearances you'll have or what sort of air flow will be required.

i was about to buy a Phanteks Enthoo ITX until I realized they had terrible air cooling potential, so I went ATX instead

>>58789428
haha

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anything wrong with this?

>>58794913
Get a Samsung 960 Evo instead of the Intel 600p, the 212 EVO is not enough for a 7700K OC, the PSU is overpriced and overkill, see if you can find a EVGA G2/3, Super Flower Leadex II or SeaSonic G with 550/650W for less.

>>58794913

People will tell you that you'll need a better cooler, and the Intel M.2 isn't nearly as good as the Samsung or Crucial, and you can drop down to a 650w power supply, and who is Palit?

Which z270 motherboard should I get if I don't want to pay too much and don't care about aesthetics?
Gigabyte GA-Z270-HD3?

>>58794826

Yes, why?

>>58794974
>who is Palit
Good company for Nvidia GPUs, isn't really popular in US but in EU it is. It's basically the other way round with PNY, which isn't know for their GPUs here in EU.

>>58794976
Anything really, they are almost the same.

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What CPU Cooler should I use for this build? I'm not familiar with overclocking but would like a cooler that is under 35 dollars USD

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HvL7Z8

>>58794913
>nvidia

>>58795159

>here come the trolls

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>/vgcag/

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Is a pentium processor good enough for a server? Looking at this CPU/mobo combo: https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/D/X10SDV-2C-7TP4F.cfm

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jkDJRG

is this any good?

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>boot up LTSB
>Nvidia doesn't support LTSB
Say it isn't so, /g/ I just want to be free

>>58795240
Depends on what you're serving, and to how many clients. For a home server doing basic services (files, httpd, email/calendar/contacts) to a couple of users, it should be more than good enough. Could even call it overpowered.

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>>58795273

>LTSB

>>58795302
What if it's a raid-z3 setup with 11 8 TB HDDs?

>>58795145
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XVDJRG
Made some improvements assuming a budget of $1000.

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>>58795321
It's not fair frogposter-kun. They can't do this to us. We did nothing wrong

Are 21:9 monitors a meme?

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>>58795273
>I just want to be free
Windows is never free.

>>58795356
Thats a lot. Doesn't the rule of thumb say 1GB of RAM for every TB of storage? Don't know about the cpu/soc.

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What's the meme SSD to get? I've never installed one and it seems the most people just use them for the OS.

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>>58795273

Nvidia drivers should work just fine on LTSB

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>>58795452
I have to dual boot though.
Yes for vidya, but also all cad software that is also free is shit and not industry standard

Avenge me my brothers, avenge me

>>58795499
SATA: Samsung SSD 850 Pro
M.2: Samsung SSD 950 Pro

>>58795442
thanks for doing this, I can afford to spend an extra 2 cents for a caviar blue HDD though

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>>58795509
>it's a gamer-pretends-to-be-a-mechanical-engineer-to-justify-his-/v/indows installation episode

>>58795506
Maybe I need to run updates. Lemme do that real quick.

Or am I just limited to a previous version of drivers?

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>>58795552
Joke is on you, I'm still in university. I want to do GPU pass through but I need a second Nvidia card to run my setup because I feel for the AMD meme

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>>58795559
latest nvidia drivers work no problem, are you getting an error installing?

>>58795580
you were never going to use linux

So since my mobo has only 1 4pin sys fan socket is there like and adapter to have them both run on only 1 socket?
I dont want molex because I want to control them.

>>58795186
>he comes here to shill nvidia

>>58795535
Toshiba P300 is better than the WD Blue, m8.

>>58795708

Y-splitter.

Don't run too many off one header as you'll burn it out. Also don't try and run 3A fans off it either.

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>>58795668
I actually regularly use Linux on my laptop. It just werks a lot better on it. I only keep Windows for a few odds and ends + tablet PC functionality.

Anyways, yeah this is what happens on my end. GTX 770, latest LTSB. Any ideas?

>>58795764
its only a 140 front and a 120 back one will it be alright?Also what are 3A fans?

probably what i'm going to upgrade to over the coming months or should I wait for ryzen?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/7F44Gf

>>58791062
Kaby Lake is actually a great improvement if you don't use a desktop cpu

>>58791190
The OP found some pajeet rumor about a single asus board and their stupid auto clock that didn't work on 98% of Kaby lake CPUs, nor anything on skylake

>>58793845
I use a desktop mixer with a built-in 24bit 44KHz DAC
Internal soundcards are for fucking retards

>>58795843
okay so I let windows update the driver for me and it installed the 372.90 driver. So I guess that works, although I wasn't aware nvidia cucked you from using the latest drivers on LTSB.

Might have to abandon it if that is the case

Is there a big difference in cooling between the NH-U14S and the NH-D15?

>>58795967
I think your problem has literally nothing to do with LTSB

>>58795846

A as in Amp - most motherboard fan headers are only good for 1A (and to be fair 99% of fans you are likely to use will be below that) but some of the more industrial fans (like most of the infamous Delta lineup) will be above that.

Its an often overlooked issue when people rip delta and other such company's fans out of old office pc's (typically dell ones) and bolt them to their elite gaymen motherboard.

>>58794826
CS:GO has a shit engine, so 200fps really does feel different to 60 fps.

>>58796021
Your average high performance fan is 1/3 amp
Most fan headers are good to 1A, or above

>>58795999
Any idea what it could be?

checked btw

>>58795970
5-10c under heavy overclocked load

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>>58796235
Nvidias latest drivers are often broken

>>58795716
Why 78 dollars on a psu? I only need a semi-modular one

>>58796284
I managed to get it working. I had to fandangle a bit with the auto update manager but we're all good.

Thanks /g/

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You guys just got absolutely BTFO by this anon >>58796293

HGST is Western Digital. How can Western Digital beat itself?

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Hello /g/ will the rx470 4gb bottleneck a 2nd generation i5 2400? I see benchmarks from multiple videos and websites that contradict extremely.

>>58792353
Enjoy paying more than us for the same hardware, foreigner.

>>58796432
It has a point. Instead of spending hundreds of hours on this shit, one could simply get one of the nicer LGA2011 workstations from Dell or HP.

What a good cooler cheaper than a 212 evo or h7 for a i5 7500.
I mean stock run cool but I need something silent.

>>58796902
Cryorig M9i for 19 bucks.

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What does /g/ think about this for a cheap first build with decent potential for upgrades?

fringe compatibility issue. r9 390x and sabertooth p67 not working but p67 works with other card and 390x works in diffirent rig.

is "an i5 is all you need for gaming" meme finally dead?

in all the recent Digital Foundry vids (hell even other YTers), the i7 consistently scores anywhere from 20% to 50% higher. even older i7s seem to be a better buy than new i5s, even at the same price. in Canada, I can grab a 2600k for a bit over $100, but a 7600k is $330. even a 4790k+mobo can probably be had for $350 if you find a good deal

>>58796545
I'm assuming you're asking if a i5 2400 will bottleneck the rx470 (since the other way around doesn't make sense). I'd say yes, probably. a stock 2500k will bottleneck a r9 290, but again, it depends on the game. GTA5, Witcher, maybe Battlefield, yeah your cpu will bottleneck

>>58797173
only things I can think of are driver or psu issues. have you tried reformatting?

>>58795866
>probably what i'm going to upgrade to over the coming months
Ryzen is out in a month (or at least claimed to be), so if you're gonna wait a month anyway, you may as well wait

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>>58797139

Waste of time on the upgrade route in my opinion - if you want to upgrade such a build you'd realistically be going all out rendering most of what you have completely useless. Realistically any cpu upgrade would require new ram unless you specifically hunt down a DDR3 supporting chip and (again) new cpu realistically means new mobo.

Plus Intel's igpu is shockingly bad outside of iris pro (which doesn't come cheap). In short, that build isn't good for too much despite its low cost and upgrading it is a waste of time. Honestly at this sort of performance tier i'd look towards AMD - their APUs will massacre the pentium for igpu performance and you really aren't going to be needing enormous cpu horsepower anyway.

Pic semi-related - its a bit old but it hightlights the difference nicely.

>>58789408
I hear a lot of good things about the MSI GAMING X being the coolest and better one which is why I'm waiting for a deal on this one in particular but I dont know jack shit about all of this.

What PSU wattage should I look for if I want to get an rx480 and be futureproof for a while?

>>58797461

The XFX GTR is currently cream of the crop.

>>58797518

Depends on a lot of factors. What cpu will you use? Will you overclock? What does the rest of the system look like? etc etc

>>58796974
fuck it costs like 30 here...

Is it worth swapping a i5-7600k to a i7-7700k on a 1070 build?

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Guys I am literally shaking. I removed my cooler and wantedto clean the cpu. I dropped it from about a centimeter onto the pins. I don't know if the one circled was like that already. What can I do?

>>58797139
Fuck no, you need a G4560

>>58797562
Do you live in africa?

I bought this dated build a year and a half ago for cheap:

MSI H81M-E33
ASUS 280X 3GB TOP
i5 4460
Kingston Savage 2x8GB DDR3 1600

And a bunch of other shit

Thing is, should I invest on a decent motherboard? That one was literally the cheapest I could find. Not that interested in newer games that actually require a better computer, but I don't want the thing to die quickly either. I'm also wondering if it's even worth upgrading that 280x to an rx 480 8GB -if- I decide to go back to a little bit more intensive games in the future, at least on low resolutions.

>>58797705
>Thing is, should I invest on a decent motherboard?

If it has all the features and slots you need then no, just wait until it shits the bed then replace it.

>>58797628
i realligned the pins on an AMD cpu using tweezers and a credit card but idk if you can do that on an Intel socket.

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Crucial-MX300-275GB-vs-Crucial-BX200-480GB/3642vs3627

which one between:

Mx300 275gb for 120$
BX200 480gb for 145$?

Is the speed of MX300 worth half the storage for 20$ less?

>>58796902
Gammamaxx 300 if you can find it

My EVGA GTX 680 2GB just died on me, and it crashes my computer or the screen freezes.

Looking for a replacement now, thinking of getting the ASUS Geforce GTX 780 3GB, MSI GTX 980 4GB or an Evga GTX 980ti 6GB.

Thoughts? Or anyone got a better idea of what to get? My budget ranges from 130£ to 450.

>>58798208
just get a 1070

>>58797628
I managed to bend four pins getting fucking cat hair out of a socket once. I used a pin/needle to bend them back.

That mobo still works fine years later, just be gentle. Using a magnification glass helps alot too.

>>58798227
cuck

>>58798208
1060/470/480

>>58797705
Keep it as is. No reason to change anything

>>58797306
mobo doesn't detect the card. No display on post. no drives connected and rtc has been reset by jumper and lifting batt.

ivy i7k 390x, 4 ram, 1 ssd, 2 hdd, 4 fans. 550-600w okay?

>>58798397
So mommy why do tyou buy the nviddia cards so much i neeed to know about how the nvidiaas are made oh sht the grabblers are coming mommy the nvidia cards throu out the nvidiias, no the the amd will wil mommy shit on me oh fugg we intelk now nigga. donald i cant even belive thaty you have benn able4 to do thias i cant even JUST. nvidia is the lifeblod mof the 4chan you cant stop mus mommy no the reeeeee uis going to cvonsume you in the first of fermies ahlkla is the nvidia meme i caNT EVEN OH SHIOT THAT NVIDIA BOI JUST KEKED A NIGGA IN FUK

Sometimes I think I'd be happier if I randomly generated a build within a level of performance I wanted instead of individually researching every part for hours on end.

what's a good ITX case other than the Fractal Node 202?

I got $1000 to build a gaming rig including monitor, mouse, keyboard and speakers. Wat do? Also what is the best screen size for a 1080p monitor?

>>58798818
Forget the speakers. I just realized that monitors now come with those.

m.2 or ssd?

>>58798807
phanteks enthoo EVOLV

>>58798984

How badly do you value your wallet and pcie lanes?

Currently running my 7600K at 4.8Ghz at 1.35v (H100i v2 cooling it). It's been stable since Thursday. 0 issues. Think this is too spicy for a long term overclock? It hit 60 celcius when running Cinebench.

>>58798818
>>58798919
Mechanical keyboard + mouse + 24" 1080p 60Hz = ca.$250
It's true that monitors come with speakers, but those are disgusting trash.
If you are fine with this get a 6500 + Rx480 build.

>>58799068
Will it matter if I have a z270 board?

>>58799242

The question remains the same - M.2 is only worth it for your typical vidya pc is you have deep wallets and no free sata slots. After all most users don't care about write speeds, only read and sata is good enough for that.

>>58788147
What's the best place to pirate a windows 10 key? Also best software for making windows 10 look and act like windows 7.

I'm sure this has been asked a 1000 times before but I'm interested in building a computer, I've never done it before but I'm a fairly technical minded person, I've done things like replace a car engine and other car repairs for example.

I want to make the absolute cheapest PC possible, that's my goal. All it has to be able to do is browse the internet and play videos at a resolution where you can identify wtf you're looking at.

Do any anons have an estimate on what the cheapest PC build would cost? Does anyone know a guide for this?

I don't expect anyone to spoonfeed me a list of parts btw.

>>58799215
>Mechanical keyboard + mouse + 24" 1080p 60Hz = ca.$250
Any brand or model recommendations? The number of options out there is overwhelming.

I'm looking at his monitor right now. Is 144hz Free Sync a meme? I don't mind paying a little more if it's worth it.

https://www.amazon.com/AOC-G2460PF-24-Inch-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B01BV1XBEI/ref=sr_1_5?tag=amazon0606-20&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1461901857&sr=1-5&keywords=144hz+monitor

>>58799296
DID YOU EVEN READ THE OP?

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>>58799296

ANON'S GUIDE TO PC BUDGETING

1) determine overall budger
2) pic resolution you intend to use
2a) pick monitor
3) pick what sort of gpu you will need for the above
4) pick what sort of cpu you will need
5) pick psu to feed above gpu and cpu
6) buy the rest of the shit you need
7) Remember, never cheap out on a psu to save cost

>>58799304
Keyboard: CM Quickfire TK
Mouse: Whatever you like
Monitor: 24" BenQ GL series

>Is 144hz Free Sync a meme?
Idk, don't have one. With that monitor you'd have no more than $700 for a build, still enough but you may have to cut some corners.

>>58799296
>I want to make the absolute cheapest PC possible, that's my goal.
Here:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C4Ngpb
Don't even bother getting a case, less shit to fill up your local land fill.

Alternatively read this:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

What would be the best machine for compiling?

>>58799579
a computer

upgrading my htpc this summer.

Will an i7 6700k need a gpu for 4k using the the near latest hdmi?

>>58799643

Never use intel integrated graphics for anything.

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General thoughts on this deep learning build? Planning to train convolutional neural networks/generative adversarial networks on large sets of images on it. What's a good cheap set of dual monitors I could throw on this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vZbLjc

>>58799749

>actual productivity

/g/ is the wrong place to ask.

>>58799341
Well if I had read I wouldn't have asked the question would I?

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>tfw just bought a Pentium G4560

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>>58800090
>tfw gonna cancel the order and get an i5

>>58799296
>>58799904
>I want to make the absolute cheapest PC possible, that's my goal. All it has to be able to do is browse the internet and play videos at a resolution where you can identify wtf you're looking at.
Build a PC with the cheapest component, either use pcpartpicker or the website of your choice to find them (ex; newegg.com, amazon, etc). pcpartpicker will help you with the compatibility of your parts, but don't rely on it.

A majority of CPU come with integrated graphics, meaning you don't need a graphics card, especially if you're only going on the internet. So choose one that has integrated graphics.

For a basic pc you'll need a case, motherboard, ram, cpu, power supply and storage. I'd recommend AMD cpus if you're going for a budget build.

>>58799643
don't listen to this idiot >>58799742
you'll be fine with integrated graphics

>>58799296

Dig one out of the trash for free

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>tfw planning zen build
>want m.2 ssd
>want ethusiast chipset AM4 mITX with loads of usb 3.0 a/c ports
>want the base model SR7
>want a mITX case
>want 16-32 GB rameroonies
>only want a 470 or refurb 480 though

adopting new shit is expensive

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Putting together a work/sims station together for the missus. She'll be doing docco work and some light gaming on it. Thoughts so far? Everything is in AU dollarydoos.

>>58799749
Noctua NH-D15 is what you want, also more fans, a real case and idk but maybe research again which CPU is best, 6800K, 6850K or 6900K.
Also what about data storage? You could add a HGST 7K6000 or He8 for additional space.
Your PSU is good but imho you should invest in a platinum PSU since your machine will most likely run 24/7 under high workloads.

>>58799749
>>58800270
For monitors i recommend Dell U2415H (or what they are called). Very good monitors, support pivot and are reasonably priced, have those at work.

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Any last words?

>>58800262
That build is absolute shit.

>>58800286
stupid monitor, get a different one and buy an i7 with the difference.

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>>58794913
Perkele

>>58800286
Looks good but maybe get a 650W PSU and see if you can find the G3 for a good price.
The G3 is the successor to the G2 and just excellent.

>>58800262
get a gtx 1050 or an unlocked rx 460 instead, r7 360 is garbage

>>58799749
why get a micro atx board?

>>58800332
Whats the best variant of the RX460? There are Sapphire and MSI models for around $165/169AU from MSY

>>58800378
sapphire seems to make the best rx 460, which is actually one of the two models where you can unlock the shader units.

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>>58800149

Trying to make a cheap yet reliable 1070 build.
Should I take the plunge?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZG6q7h

>>58796059

Not unless you're spending a fuck tonne on a monitor that can actually use those 200fps.

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I've got about $2.6K that I want to blow on the most ostentatious and vulgar PC filled with enough RGB LEDs, custom sleeves, and water-cooling loops to make /g/ Macbook converts from pure disgust
>windowed case
>must use an i7-7700K
>no hard drives; installing games on a RAID-Z2 SSD NAS
>only one GPU, and it has to be a 1080

What are some good PSUs with the exhaust on the back?

My case doesn't have a grill on top and I desperately need to get a non-grey generic brick PSU.

>>58800693

http://www.jonnyguru.com/

>>58800693
>newegg
>server PSU
>3U/4U PSU
>80+ or better

Is getting anything above a 240GB SSD worth it?

Is installing games to an SSD really going to improve my experience all that much?

>>58800687
Here you go buddy, but i'm only doing this because you got good taste in animu
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BkK2TH

>>58800770

If its just a boot drive, no.

If you plan to murder your I/O then M.2 or bust.

>>58800704
>>58800720
What brands should I go for?

I'm trying to keep it under 100 burgers, and I think 550w would be enough.

>>58800803
XD

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>>58800813

Top 3 consumer brands in no particular order

1) super flower
2) EVGA
3) seasonic

Note this is general, some specific models might be shit.

>>58800687
In 3 months you're gonna be the poorfag with an outdated GPU and mid-tier CPU In a flashy case
Get a 6900k and a 1080ti, then when zen comes out you can be like "oh yeah my CPU matches a 6900k too"

>>58800859
>1) super flower
>2) EVGA
>3) seasonic
Why did you list two companies twice?

>>58800693
All of them?
>>58800859
One of these companies has never made a PSU

>>58800943
I've got another $1500 for a Ryzen build this May, which should be cheaper and better than the Kaby Lake one. I had a windfall yesterday thanks to Trump and want to blow a fraction of it on what I hope is the last Intel PC I ever build before the death of silicon.

>>58795939
Shut up retard

>Asus released a new BIOS said to hit offer a one-button 5.0GHz solution that works with 80 per cent of Kaby Lake processors.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-core-i5-7600k-review

I know Europe is cuck'd but come on, not pajeet you memeing faggot

>>58800964
>which should be cheaper and better than the Intel one
Show me one fact, proof or assumption that would lead you to believe this
All we know is that it is as good as an Intel CPU and will "not be sold as budget hardware"

>>58801008
The X370 motherboards have less features than their X99 counterparts. Just compare the specs and additions between the top-of-the-range X370 board and a semi-high-tier X99 from the same maker.

>>58799643
Yes, unless netflix 4k. You will need a 7700k

>>58800948

Super flower is virtually unknown in burgerland.

>>58801021
So you think less features on a motherboard means it'll be better?
Or that the motherboard choice will be a significant factor into an AMD pc price?

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>>58800270
Thanks for the advice. I'll look into swapping out the fan and PSU for what you suggested and adding in more storage.

>>58800354
Is there something wrong with a micro ATX board?

>>58801045
EVGA sells Super Flower PSUs as the SuperNOVA G2/P2/T2
In fact, those PSUs are EVGA's best selling ever.

>>58801045
Except for the EVGA rebrands of superflower that are the most popular in burgerland

>>58800262
Just get an AMD APU

>>58801049
I was talking about the cheaper aspect. Ryzen won't hold water against an i7-6900K for sure, but for the cost of an i7-7700K? I'd be dumb not to jump ship.
Plus, I won't get fucked over to buy another motherboard two years from now because AMD releases new sockets like they release a decent CPU.

>>58801052
>>58801061

Rebrands sure. but under their own label they basically do not exist in NA. Still, supoer flower and theur EVGA rebrands are some of the best psus you can buy, basically only beat out by delta (lol consumer level delta psus).

>>58800955
From what I can see some of the EVGA G series ones have the fan on top. At least what it looks like the fan. It's a circular opening.
This is why I need the exhaust on the back, not on top. Otherwise I'd get like a G2 or something.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm just learning this stuff.

Are mITX temps as shitty as I think they are?

>>58801091
Almost all consumer PSUs have a fan that faces down/up depending on how you orient it in the case. THEY ARE NEARLY ALL REVERSEABLE.
A SuperNova G3 will work with the PSU fan facing inside the case as it would facing outside the case. Fucking moron.

>>58801067
That's the thing, it does hold its own against a 6900k, this is a huge jump in performance for AMD, it's not going to be priced cheaply
>but for the cost of a 7700k?
Who the fuck told you ryzen would be $320?
>I won't get fucked over two years from now because Intel will release new CPUs constantly and I'll be stuck with my zen CPU for 4-5 years
I'm as hopeful for zen as anybody else but "I won't have to upgrade because there will be no upgrade!" Is a fucking stupid argument

>>58801153
>Who the fuck told you ryzen would be $320
Price leak shows that the cheapest 8-core, the R7 1800 will compete with the i7-7700K in terms of price. The R7-1800X costs about $600.

>>58801153

Remember sandy vagina is all you need unless its AMD in which case if it doesn't beat kabylake for half the cost its inherently a failure.

>>58801103
Depends on the case ventilation, size, watercooling vs aircooling, GPU, and most importantly load
ITX in small cases does tend to get significantly hotter than the bigger variants
Mostly depends on whether you're falling for the danmeme or not
You're falling for the danmeme aren't you?

>>58801128
Hey now, there's no need to get upset. I said I'm stupid with this shit. I just don't want to end up with expensive legos that don't work on my machine.

So say, I get a G2 550w, and put it with the mains plug coming out the back of the case, it should still work just fine?

>>58801176
>price leak
3 weeks ago Lisa was asking the press what they would hope the price would be

>>58801202
And two days ago, AMD didn't deny a leak that said the first Ryzen SKU would be launched on March 2nd.

>>58801184

>You're falling for the danmeme aren't you?

No. I just want something compact but I tend to do things like play heavy games for 48 hours straight and don't want to deal with shit like throttling.

>>58801207
I didn't see you denying the leak 2 hours ago that said you fuck little boys that arent even wearing socks

>>58801238
So salty, and over what exactly? You being a little bitch?

Yo dudes, i've got a build with a GigaByte 1070 and a i5-7600k that i plan to be buying towards the end of the month, originally, i planned to buy a Asus PG279Q ROG Swift to go with it, under the assumption its basically gonna last until it breaks or 4k becomes the new norm. some stuffs come up that forces me to spend a good amount of money elsewhere, so my budgets has been cut down a decent bit.

To the actual point:
is 1440p really that amazing? im thinking about keeping the gtx1070 + the 7600, and getting a "temporary" 1080p main screen for gaming, that i can then eventually use as a third screen when i have enough money to fully step up to 1440p

my thoughts behind 1080p, is that it wont hurt as much, using it for a bonus monitor, and 1080 gaming takes a significantly less power, right?

>>58801250
If you're taking info from a blog and saying its "proven" because a multimillion dollar company didn't even humor it with a response then you shouldn't even be allowed to speculate

>>58801264
sorry for the textwall, dont wanna come off as some lazy dude who just wants people to do his work for him, but its kinda hard to make the decision having never used a 1440p monitor before.

>>58801273
>he didn't hear the news

>>58801279
Hz>1440p
But I mean, I'm saying that as someone with a 1440p and 144hz monitor for my 1070. Both are good upgrades, 144hz is the better one for games

>>58801299
no kidding dude, im hearing amazing things, but it just seems like going 1440p/144hz+/IPS forces you to fork over at least 400 dollars (BenQ GW2765HT), but it seems like if you're put out that money, you sorta HAVE to pick up freesync or G-sync, making it 700-800 dollars in my case (g-sync)...

Should I get a 1tb 2,5" HDD? It has any drawnbacks when comparated with 3,5" ones?

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pcpp says my system draw is 500w

psu is a 500w

housefire when?

>>58801356
You don't have to pick out gsync if you don't need it
The problem is, there is no GPU on the market that will reach 1440p 144fps 100% of the time. There is no GPU you could buy right now that would make gsync worthless at 1440p and 144hz

>>58801371
They're slower hotter and less reliable

>>58801356

Well you can get a 1440p/144hz/G-Sync monitor for as low as $420 if IPS isn't a deal breaker.

XFX PSUs are good?

>>58801371
>It has any drawnbacks when comparated with 3,5" ones?
Yes, plenty
>125MB/s peak read/write speeds compared to 190+MB/s for decent 3.5" models
>runs about 10 degrees hotter when written to constantly
>slow as balls to access data
On the plus side, they use about 75% of the power of a comparable 1TB 3.5" drive.

>>58801386
yeah, thats the main issue, g-sync seems like too much value, which is weird, because its reported to be worth around 200$, yet all these full package monitors cost 700-800, instead of 550-600...

>>58801406
i spent a good while looking up differences between IPS and TN on high end monitors, and i respect the fact, that TN picture is perfectly fine, from right angle, and has a slightly higher responsetime, but you just cant deny the picture quality of IPS, and you're already making a bigass investment in my eyes. here, the PG278Q is merely 130$ cheaper, too, unless you had the "old" acer HUA in mind?

>>58801502
Well if you got a 1080p 144hz monitor, you definitely wouldn't need gsync running a 1070

>>58801502
>you can't deny the picture quality of IPS
Can you support the picture quality of IPS?
You have a good point about TN being fine from the right angle and not from the wrong angle, why can't you find a legitimate support for this claim?
Or are you just thinking "IPS is better because /g/ told me, TN is like level 1 and IPS is like level 3 it's so much better!"

Would the price jump from a G4560/i3-6100 to a i5-7500 be worth it?

>>58801609
You could go with a i5 6500, definitely worth it.

>>58801529
my thoughts exactly.

>>58801548
of course theres both good and worse TN/IPS monitors, but at the high end, a fair comparison could be the 278Q to the 289Q.

in this case, the picture of the 278Q just looks a bit weird to me, because of the contrast ratio, otherwise it seems pretty close.

here's what i'd call a good video for comparrison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79r5rxS276Y

its not a case of "IPS is ALWAYS BETTER" but i'd say most TN monitors arent as good as that one, no?

keep in mind, that im not only gonna be playing games on it, ill be doing coding, browsing and movies, too.

>>58801687
You watching that YouTube video on your phone?

>>58801632
THANKS MAN I RAEALLY APPRECIATE IT!!!!!!!!!!

>>58801687
The contrast ratio on the IPS screen you're probably using is much worse than what is being displayed on the video, you aren't even seeing it
You're seeing the camera angles and lighting recorded and compressed, recompressed by YouTube, re-encoded as a 720p 30fps video and shown to you
I doubt YouTube videos of the monitors are a good comparison to judge a monitors image quality on

How's an EVGA 600w 80 Plus for a budget build?

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>>58801725
>>58801705
I'm not really going by what im seeing, though even on my shitty 4yo laptop, there is a visible difference, im more going by the numbers in this video, and reviews from people who have had the priviledge of using both monitors in question.

>>58801768
This exact video says they're both extremely good quality panels, and that the TN is surprisingly just as good as the IPS in color. This actual video is saying there's no difference other than the viewing angles.
I remember this video, it's what convinced me to buy the PG278Q because I was worried about color and this guy assured me the color between the 278q and 279q was essentially the same

>>58801768
Also watch the video all the way through, I was surprised to learn the monitor I thought looked worse in the video the whole time was the IPS one
YouTube videos are no way to judge a video

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Can you guys rate this poorfag build?

>>58801836
>$1000
>poorfag

You don't know what that word means, do you?

>>58801853
MacBooks cost $1000 too

>>58801819
>>58801803
yes, he does say that the color accuracy of the 2 monitors is the same, its the contrast ratio that is lower than promised on the TN monitor, meaning in a difference between the darkest and lightest colors, that results in some plain colors on the TN having a pinkish shade. im sure you get used to that pretty quickly, if you arent doing design and stuff, but he also makes a point out of explaining, that this TN panel is of exceptionally high quality.

and again, im building my points on how the screens look like in the youtube video, im going by the actual numbers and statements the gentleman in the video is providing.

>>58801853
Middlefag build then, can you tell anything wrong with it?

>>58788147
>Consider a B150/B250 or H110 mobo for any Pentium or i3 build
Please edit this.

>Consider a B150/B250 or H110 mobo (with out of the box Kaby Lake support) for any Pentium or i3 build
The older H110 mobos need a bios update, and you cannot update a bios unless you have a functional CPU.

>>58801889
It's lower than promised contrast ratio but still much better than the IPS

>>58801902
The SSD is garbage. The i5 is a bad price:performance ratio. The Mobo is overpriced but that's the cost of mITX.

>T W O H U N D R E D A N D T W E N T Y D O L L A R case
lmaoing @ u

>>58801836
Looks fine, post the partpicker link next time. Just make sure to check the GPU length and make sure the case accepts it.

>Every item in my build is cheapest on Amazon, meaning that sweet 2 day shipping with Prime.
>EXCEPT the case

Fuck.

>>58801945
That SSD is one of THE best budget SSDs on the market. It is a budget SSD but that doesn't make it trash.
And the 6500/Z170 was THE best price/perf build of skylake, what's the meme of the month now?

>>58801942
you're back to thinking about the color accuracy, brother, the contrast is better than promised on the IPS, while LOWER, on the TN.

and the difference in color accuracy is microscopic and could probably be written off as losing the silicon lottery.

i dont wanna sound like a jerk here, but have you considered you might be a little biased, owning the TN varriant?

>>58801954
Sure thing...

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bGsnwV

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>>58801903
Not OP but this is literally the pot calling the kettle. You should update your page as well.. there's so much outdated, illogical, retarded shit being suggested, it's unreal.
Also.. what were your guys smoking when they put together this: http://blog.logicalincrements.com/2017/01/building-pc-pentium-g4560/
Both, the shit list suggested by OP and http://www.logicalincrements.com/ need to be reworked in time. Guess April after the Ryzen release would be the best time to do so and Coffe/Cannon Lake won't come until Q4 2017 / Q1 2018.

>>58801997
I also have a 3200x1800 IPS screen and it's great and all but other than the vibrancy there's nothing better about it (which could be written off as a brightness lottery)
I'm not biased against the 279Q, I just think there's literally nothing to be paying the extra $200 for
Looking at a different site for each figure, I'm seeing normally 880-920:1 for the 278Q, while the IPS is better at 940-1000:1 (yet being worse when factoring in ANSI uniformity to the figure, making it 760:1 on the IPS vs 915:1 on the TN)
These figures aren't something impressive or consistent enough to pay $200 extra for

>>58802062
>besides the vibrancy
And the viewing angles, but that's not an issue if you put desktops on top of your desk

What's your favorite A E S T H E T I C case?

>>58802048
Any specifics for me to fix or look into?

anyone else hyped as fuck for raven ridge APUs? Can't wait to build a tiny home mini-stx PC that pulls 60fps on GTA V at 1080p
AMD is going to dominate the casual consumer market

also, what do I do until they come out? It's gonna be at least 6 months

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>>58801997
I mean if you're seeing data I'm not, tell me, I don't want to be unfair but I really think the 278Q has the things that are best about the 279Q for $200 less
This picture is after calibration and factors in panel uniformity

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>>58802086

>>58802107
>60fps on GTA V at 1080p
It's going to be weaker than the R7 360, so that's a tall order at best.

the APU for the PS5 is already on silicon, Intel is making their own GPU and Samsung will be late to PCIe 4.0
you didn't hear it from me

>>58802126
PS5's going to be on carbon nanotube, moron. Nintendo confirmed it

>>58801997
The difference in color accuracy is very big between TN and IPS, you shouldn't even think about TN for solely just movies or photo work; those two monitors are just using 10-bit instead of 8-bit colors, so they both have a great color range

>>58802118
im getting my data from the review linked previously, since i know Tom has put a significant amount of time into researching and testing the 2 monitors himself, i dont know where you pulled that tom'sHardware chart from, but to be fair, i think im gonna stick with him on this one.

regardless, both of these monitors will probably last until they break, or its time to go 4k, so why cheap out and save 150$(difference here) on an already incredibly expensive monitor, that s gonna last years?

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>>58802118
And the minimum contrast ratio, uncalibrated and without factoring in uniformity
Not a mindblowing difference

>>58802165
nah mate thats the conclusion i've reached from researching myself as well, obviously you're gonna get a good picture no matter what when using a 700$+ monitor, im really just trying to entertain this dudes questioning of my preference of IPS over TN.

my original intend, was to find a nice 1080p main monitor, for Gaming, Coding, Browsing and Movies, as well as an aditional 1080p monitor for browsing/music/youtube stuff

>>58802192
You're gonna go with who? Tom? The test I posted showing the PG278Q as literally having better contrast than the IPS?
>>58802251
That's the thing though, I want to know why you prefer it? All you've given me is that it's "better" or than any alternative is "cheaping out" and you want "the best" and asus told you the model with the bigger number was the best?

>>58802267
Well I guess "better uniformity" is what I mean, and "small contrast differences"

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>>58802086
I'm digging this

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>>58802086
Dancase A4 is an amazing ITX case
Too bad it's a fucking meme

>>58802380
What case?

>>58802048
Still there?

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>>58802086
pic related

>>58802380
it looks like a VHS cassette
shame about the ridiculous price too

>>58801945
Can you post what you think is a better config? Thanks.

>>58802267
whoa, easy there, all i said is that we are citing 2 different sources, and i prefer a full, in-dept review/comparrison to a chart from TomsHardware.

i'm honestly suprised you are defending the picture quality of the TN varriant so avidly, you are the first person i have met, claiming the 278Q has better picture or equal picture quality to the 279Q, that is both newer, and focused on improving picture quality, and dont put words in my mouth by claiming my reasoning is "Bigger Price-tag, Better in every way", i dismissed that in my first message, brother.

Also, what do you mean i havent specified my needs for my 1080p monitor? >>58802192
look no further than there.

i'm looking for probably either a 144hz TN, or a 60hz IPS, was hoping someone had a/some recomendation(s) based on those needs, since theres a lot more choices that match those needs. for size, no smaller than 24" really.

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>>58802086

>high quality aluminum CNC milled and hand polished


I am interested in building a Hackintosh with this when AMD release a Ryzen based APU.

>>58802561
Forgot video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60hdXSxK6FM

>>58802561
Don't you need to use compatible hardware or at least hardware that other people made drivers for to use Hackintosh?

>>58802600
Thought someone made a AMD APU Hackintosh before. I could be wrong, if anything I will just make it a steam machine running an APU.

Will two 140mm radiators fit where one 280mm radiator would normally go?

>>58802631
I doubt that would be possible without modifying the top of the case with holes for proper ventilation, otherwise it would overheat easily

but looks very nice

>>58802882
The site gives you the option of having everything pre-built, and people posted instructions on making it a Mac Mini. A lot of macfags from MacRumors are already ordering because Apple refused to make a new Mac mini. The last one with Haswell IIRC.

>>58802870
shit I meant two 120mm radiators

>>58802917
I was talking about the steam machine possibility. An APU would roast in there

>>58802980
That's a sexy case tho...

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>>58801067
>like they release a decent CPU.
Never?

>>58801903
Ok, I'll fix that.. the parenthetical statement was supposed to indicate using only an already flashed or otherwise Kaby Lake ready mobo. I can see that it's very confusing and unclear.

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Anyone know of a case with these types of vents? I have a boner for uniform ventilation like if they need to ventilate anything I want the whole side to be ventilated.

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>>58800441
>7 hours later
>no replies
th-thanks /g/

>>58803482
Looks fine to me dawg, some people fall thru the cracks

>>58800441
>only 450w
enjoy frequent crashes.
[spoiler]srsly tho get at least 550w[/spoiler]

>>58803499
>>58803548
Cheers.

>>58803430
I thought if the whole sides are ventilated theres no pressure to push the hot air out and cool air in?

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I have no idea what is a good budget CPU cooler for a decent overclock on i5 7600k. People say 212 Evo won't cut it and Cryorig is not available in my country. I can't afford to spend more than $40.

Please help.

>>58803942
Do you have air conditioning?

>>58803955
Yes, absolutely.

Does hyper-threading matter in games outside shit like heavy combat simulators and Civ VI? Considering between 7600K and 7700K.

>>58803968
Can you set up your PC near it and rig it to blow the cold air into your machine? That should cost less than $40 easily.

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>>58804027
I'll give you a 3/10, you have some work to do.

>>58804066
Only trying to help mate. Its viable.

>>58804092
Air conditioning into a PC in a high humidity area sounds like a horrible idea. I asked for a sub $40 CPU cooler that would work with i5 7600k, not a workaround for a cooler entirely.

>>58804123
just offering another option. and condensation would only occur - if ever - on the outside of a case not on the hot parts of a computer. Its highly unlikely to happen - and you would know that if you knew anything about how hot and cold air interact

>>58804168
So you would run a CPU bare with just A/C blowing into the case?

>>58804185
no because im not poor. but it works

>>58804225
But rich enough to use an A/C as a CPU cooler. lol.

>>58804267
no anon. nice reading comprehension. just forget i tried to help you, poorfag cunt

/g/ how legit are these keys?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-WINDOWS-10-PRO-32-64BIT-OEM-ORIGINAL-LICENSE-KEY-SCRAP-PC/162345638024

>>58804383
>OEM SCRAP PC KEYS
Yeah, i don't think thats going to work, when you'll try using it, it'll probably reject it saying its meant for an OEM device.

Apart from cheap video capture and sound cards, is there anything else that still uses PCI?

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>>58804312
>ask for a decent sub $40 CPU cooler
>"just cool your cpu by using a/c to blow cold air into it"
>"nevermind the fact that you're gonna spend a ton of money running an a/c all year to cool your cpu"

>>58804481
why would you do it all year/for ever, cunt? its temporary solution to your current poorfag situation, cunt.

>>58804492
Why do you assume my financial situation is temporary? I didn't ask for a temporary solution, I need a sub a decent sub $40 cooler.

>>58803942
212 evo definitely cuts it
The people who say otherwise are the people who get mad at Intel when they can't hit 5GHz on one

>>58804545
To be fair, you couldve stopped that retarded discussion fairly early.

>>58804225
No it doesn't you literal fucking retard
I know you're bored and need to shitpost but people are actually believing you

>>58804572
it does work.

>>58804465
Broadwell does
The next two gens actually don't

>>58804560
I don't need to hit 5GHZ. As long as it works for a ~500mhz OC, I would be more than happy.

>>58804588
I use a 212 on my 7600k. I have ambient temp of 40°c+ and it does fine.