/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Kaby Lake has been released! Skylake is depreciated if corresponding chips are similarly priced (i.e., i5 7600K vs i5 6600K)!
>Some Z series motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks
>Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo" under XMP, which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well)
>Pentiums now have hyperthreading, and are thus the new default budget / entry level gaming CPUs
>Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform
>All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory
>Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, 3000MHz is price/perf champ) RAM in conjunction with a Z series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a moderate CPU overclock

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nice video game consoles :^)

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>>58553375
Thanks bro, glad to have you here. Wouldn't be the same without you

>no m2ssd slot for my H97 Mainboard
i ruined

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/EliteKnightRamza/saved/nFkjXL

I need help with this Kaby lake build. I'm skeptical about the board and case that I chose. Zero reviews out for z270 boards, and I suspect I'm overpaying for features I don't need.

I intend to OC, so I want a board with a decent bios that will give me some OC headroom. I also want a case with good airflow, easy to clean, and dust filters. The case I picked seems to have poor airflow when the filters are in, and no filter on the side panel so dust is still going to get in despite the filters.

Any ideas on how to fix my build? Also I have a 1TB hard drive already, should I add an SSD?

>>58553432
>wanting a poorly-placed M.2 port with only PCIe2.0 4x maximum
You're in lucky, PCIe-to-M.2 adapters not only allow you to mount a heatsink and keep them away from the hottest part of your motherboard (under the graphics card), but they're guaranteed to be faster than native M.2 ports on nearly all LGA1150 motherboards.

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>>58553278
Also note that Win7 and 8.1 cannot be installed on a Kaby Lake system

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How can I improve this build without going over 880 dollars?

>>58553471
No, it's only Windows 7 and it will install, just not without some workarounds. It's probably best to install something like a Type-1 Hypervisor and run Windows 7 as a bare metal VM.

>>58553460
You could get a well reviewed Z170 and flash the BIOS with the Kaby Lake update if you don't need the extra PCIe lanes.

>>58553494
Might want a smaller case

>>58553516
Can you link me? I'll delete that post if so

>>58553494
You could potentially:

>Drop down to 8gb RAM
>Cheaper case
>Remove WD HHD
>Drop down to i3

Up to you though

>>58553460
>should I add an SSD?
Yes

>>58553554
Intel only said that Kaby Lake and onwards wouldn't support Windows 7, which means that there will be no firmware updates or the like if anything goes wrong with the install or operating system in general. It does NOT mean that you can't simply install the system and hope for the best.
Which is why it's probably better to install Windows 7 as a Type-1 Hypervisor, since the operating system will rely on the virtualization "operating system" and its drivers in order to use resources. Plus, if anything goes wrong with Windows (which is guaranteed), you can always start from a "clean slate" within minutes with a copy of the original VM's image kept on a separate drive.

>>58553630
>Type-1 Hypervisor

Is there a good resource to learn about this? Interested in doing that with my upcoming Kaby.

>>58553651
Google nigger

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mvqLbj

Any better itx cases that still fit full size gpus other than the 250D?

I'm shrinking from my current build but don't have any real reason to get a new gpu

Looking to buy a pc from a computer shop because Im lazy. Theyll build an i5 16 RAM 1TB desktop for $600.

Am I getting ripped off?

>>58553676
Find the parts online or similar ones and see how much just the parts cost
the decide if the difference is worth being lazy

>>58553676
you don't even know the specifications so of course you're being ripped off

>>58553460
>>58553554
>>58553567


Can I get a case recommendation too? Looking for good airflow and easy to clean, dust filters preferred.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/62WnNN
I wanna get a gaming pc where I can get loads of fps at high resolutions
Did I do good?

>>58553676
Likely, considering the graphics component is unstated

>>58553710
Honestly I don't know much about cases

>>58553710
Define series Fractal Design are nice.

>>58553729

Get faster ram

>>58553756
What do you recommend?

>>58553729
Not really, here's a better skeleton
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/w6vK8d

Nooblord here, looking for a new case fan for my computer to go behind my cpu cooler on the back. (120mm)
What are good brands for this (pls no silly LEDs) as the one i previously had was making a very loud ticking noise (prolly the bearing in it).

>>58553742
Im not building a fancy gaming rig Im going to be using a lot of virtual machines at the same time.

>>58553760

I'd say 3000 is the best for price / performance.

>>58553806
Then yes, you'd definitely be getting ripped off.

>>58553772
Corsair are fine if you ignore the meme
Same with noctua

>>58553264
>>OUTDATED CPU RECOMMENDATIONS (no mention of Kaby Lake)
But... I do. 7700K is in there. The rest of the Kaby stuff is on hold till the prices settle.

>>58553630
Wouldn't this method be much slower than just lubing up and installing Win10

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>>58553375
greetings from /wfg/

>>58554034
/wfg/ - Warframe General?

>>58554005
Well, he wanted to install Windows 7/8.1 with as little issues as possible.

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Is it safe to get a cheaper graphics card from Amazon's warehouse deals? Its says it's "Used - Like New, Item is in original, pristine packaging"

Anyone here ever ordered a warehouse card? Doesn't say anywhere how much it's used

>>58554145
Had a friend order his a year or two ago from a warehouse deal
it was an open box but otherwise new

Are there likely to be any monitor sales soon? PG279Q asus rog is available for 600 as a reburb but I still feel the pain of buying a monitor for that much. But even gsync free 1440 144hz monitors are running 450-500 so i feel like I may as well make the jump for gsync

>>58554145
Yeah. S/N is printed on the box. Compare it, and if it doesn't match, bitch.

Regarding quality, AW is just Amazon's returns. It's rare that people get fucked off it

Tangentially related

What's a good combined cable modem/wifi router or modem+ wifi router that isn't super expensive and ideally supports custom firmware?

My current router is buzzing and dropping packets, causing lag spikes in games that I NEED to fucking stop...

>>58554145
Amazon warehouse deals: stuff people have RMAed/returned. It's the equivalent of refurbished/open box on newegg

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Can you guys help me pick out a monitor?

I have the ubiquitous ASUS VG248 1080p/144Hz 24" now which I'm totally happy with for daily use and PC gaming (5820k/380x CF). Ideally I'd like to pick up a second, larger display to be used as a spare screen for controller based PC games/emulation and maybe a PS4 Pro down the road since I might like to check out some of the console exclusives. Ideally it would be 27" or slightly larger and 16:9.

High refresh rate isn't a priority for this screen, I think I'd be fine with 60 Hz given what it's intended use is. Any problems with a PS4 trying to upscale from 1080p to 1440p? When will 4K HDR monitors show up? Q2? Worth waiting for? Any suggestions? Thanks senpai.

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>>58553264
r8 my rig (ssd under the hdd's)

>>58554890
Cables have too many colors. Pretty neat though
What case?

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>>58554054
yup

>>58554890
compact&efficient/10

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i need some wise eyes on this. buying parts over the next few months to put together, gonna buy the motherboard on sunday

build 1. kaby lake, z270, modern. has a big m.2 for the aesthetics, plus a white/blue finish

build 2. skylake, z170, still relevant. has a small m.2 for boot and an SSD for all the rest. red/black finish to make it interesting

i already own the case, but it's holding an old AMD phenom II/660ti build and i'd like to experience some modern gaming and a modern pc experience.

so,
-kaby lake or skylake?
-1070 in SLI or single 1080?
-m.2 to boot and SSD, or m.2 for all storage?
-i'm going to be overclocking, air cooler or liquid? i can fit a top-tier radiator in this case with 140mm fans

i'll be gaming in 1440p, and i'd like to see 70-80fps on max settings in multi-player FPS' like R6siege and BF1

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Help me /g/. I need an m.2 SSD. This SSD will be used solely as game install space. I install a good 50% of my library at all times as I don't like waiting for the game to re-download. I currently have a Samsung 120GB 840 series for OS, Samsung 250GB 850 EVO for Linux, Samsung 500GB 850 EVO for game installs.

I'm looking to make the 500GB workspace for when I edit video. Should I keep the Samsung streak going and just get a Samsung NVME m.2? If so which one? 950 pro or 960 EVO?

Are the Intel 600p drives good? Anyone have one? I know in synthetic benches, the Samsung drives are top dog. But in real world, would I even feel that?

Last option was a 1.2TB intel 750 series but they're sold out everywhere and where they're not, they're all stupid over priced.

>>58555190

there was a comparo posted a couple days ago, samsung beat the intel by like 6 seconds on a cold boot

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>>58555188
Go with Kaby lake. The chips have been seeing higher overclocks than Skylake. Plus Kaby seems to handle the higher clocked RAM much better.

If you have the money, always go for a larger m.2. M.2 booting vs SATA is a waste of money. If you're going to buy an m.2 SSD, go for the largest one you can afford. You can always add less expensive SATA based SSDs in the future.

As for 1070 SLI vs 1080, if you're only gaming at 1440p, get a single 1070. No really. I have a 6700k and 980 TI build and max everything at 1440p. When running 1440p, you only need max x4 AA compared to x6/x8 at 1080p because of the higher pixel density. Take the money you're saving and shove it onto a larger m.2 SSD or bump that i5 to an i7. Many games, especially games like R6 and the new BF love moar coars. Not uncommon for me to see load across all 8 threads on my 6700k. My buddy even sees properly distributed threads on his older i7-990X build.

Lastly, as for air vs AiO liquid, always Air cooling IMO. I'm running pic related. Cooling my 4.4ghz bumped 6700k and I see 67C at absolute maxe when encoding video for 8+ hours at a clip. A good air cooler will last you forever. Worst that can happen is the fan dies and you have to dust occasionally. AiO always runs the risk of the pump dying, or the unit outright leaking. Broken? Hope you have 6 weeks to play phone tag for the warranty and/or $110 more for another unit.

Just my 2 cents.

>>58555280

Dude you've just answered all my questions, and you have experience to boot. Thank you, wholeheartedly.

One question though, why so many drive cages?

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>>58555323
That's what came in my Fractal R5. I could remove the bottom 3, but why? My entire build is almost entirely quiet, air flow is no problem. Case doesn't have a window, and there is sound dampening foam all over the place. Removing the cage would only make me lose it when I need it.

I intend to make something akin to pic related. Make my entire main build nothing but SSDs and mitx. Just haven't had time to really sit down an plot out an Mitx gaming build. Plus I'm waiting on 10TB disks to come down so I can buy 4, throw them in RAID 10 with a dedicated SAS controller.

>TL;DR
Because why not and I can

>>58553710
If you're willing to spend a bit, corsair cases are lovely. Fractal design cases are solid, and phanteks cases are amazing.

>>58555385
I'm willing to spend around 100-120. I want to spend towards quality I don't care if it looks nice I am 100% function over form. If it has great air flow, easy to clean, and filters, and fits all my parts, I am happy.

Do you recommend anything specific from those brands you mentioned?

>>58555400
I'm currently using a 600c. Gorgeous case, tons of space (really too much), very easy cable routing, super minimalist and lovely looking. Only two problems, and that's that it only has 2 3.5 bays. (HDD) The front filter also requires taking off the front panel, which is pretty easy to get at.

What I did is I got a 5.25 (cd) bay converter and used it to install my extra harddrives. It does, however, have 3 laptop hdd/ssd bays.

The phanteks enthoo evolv cases are super sexy and lovely, in both function and form.

However, if you just want functionality, any of the fractal design cases are solid. As long as you don't go NZXT or for some of the more awful thermalitke/coolermaster cases you're fine. (NZXT because all their cases feel cheap)

>>58555190
Buy the cheapest one. At those speeds, you won't really notice the difference in loading times.
But what you could do is use the 960 EVO as a workspace drive and keep the 850 EVO for games. It has higher endurance rating and you will notice the difference in speed. Again, you only gain about a second less loading time over the 850 EVO which really doesn't fucking matter for online games since you still have to wait for everyone else to load their session. The 950 PRO is slower than the 960 EVO until the 960 runs out of cache. Then it drops to just over the 850 EVO's peak write speeds. Consider the 950 PRO over the 960 EVO if sustained sequential write speeds are essential.
I'm about to retire my 950 PRO myself, I've gotten nearly 100TB of writes on it due to it working as both a direct record drive and a cache for editing large video files.

>>58554931
bitphenix prodigy.

>>58554973
thanks m8, not much of a gamer, focused more on space saving and thermals so the computer lasts as long as possible.

>>58555437
wow holy shit 100TB. Thanks for the input. Yea I was leaning towards the intel 600p.

>>58555451
>bitphenix
My poor child
I still have the scars from the last time I tangled with a BitPenis Pandora

>>58553264
Is there finally a reason for me to upgrade from my R9 290?

>>58555464
It's probably good for even more than that (SSD health is still at 99%), but I'm tossing it since I have no use for it with a 2TB 960 PRO in the mail and I don't want to sell it. I'll probably snap it in two to prevent garbage pickers from accessing it.

>Use isopropyl alcohol on a q-tip to wipe up heatsink
>Brown smudges everywhere
>Use isopropyl alcohol dabbed on a coffee filter to wipe up
>no smudges to be seen
What gives?

>>58555489
>Brown smudges everywhere
Nigger, what do you think is keeping the cotton tip attached to the stick?
At least you've learned from it.

>>58555478
really? I'll buy that shit for $150. DBAN that motherfucker. Don't go snapping it for no reason.

>>58555510
Why would I trust you with my files? DBAN doesn't work properly on NVMe drives. There was a white paper article on it back in 2015.

>>58555469
eh I like it, not the most effecient case for a matx board, but I like the look and the airflow seems really good for only having two fans.

>>58555519
ahhh that changes things. I'd be wary of selling a drive I couldn't properly DBAN as well.

Isn't the write limit on the Samsung 950 pro something ridiculous? Like in the Petabytes? Are you messing with like mission critical data all the time that you NEED a drive at 100% health?

>>58555560
>Are you messing with like mission critical data all the time that you NEED a drive at 100% health?
I work for businesses, which is enough for me to count all the video files I work with as "mission critical"

>>58555566
>>58555560
But NAND wear is the least of my concerns. Any time spent not waiting for editing or encoding to finish is time better spent on other projects.

>>58555577
very true. Seeing as you're one of the 2% of people who actually use the new NVME drives for what they were designed for, I'd say you're the better opinion on the matter. Hope that 2TB 960 PRO suits you well. Shame the 950 is going to get broke. Maybe you have a spare PC you can toss it in? Or like a pcie to m.2 converter and make it a backup work drive or something.

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>>58555190
The 600p didn't impress me, if you go M2, don't fuck around, get a Samsung 950/960/951
Or just don't get an m2, SATA SSDs are plenty fast already
These are my own hard drives

>>58555825
How hot does it get and where is it mounted?

>>58555475
1080 or future 1080 Ti.

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>>58555847
There's no temp sensor on the drive so I don't know, I doesn't throttle even while writing giant files from drive to drive over and over so I assume it doesn't get too hot. It's mounted just below the CPU fan, above the GPU so it's got decent airflow

I know waiting for new parts is a meme, but I'm planning on building a PC in the next couple weeks. Should I wait for Ryzen? How far off is it, realistically?

>>58555899
Wait so there's no chance of getting burned if Ryzen turns out to be good.

>>58555899
It's not a meme and yes you should wait. Q1 release if I remember.

>>58555908
March. Expect scarce availability at first but it's probably going to be in reviewer's hands by the end of February.

>people buying locked kabylake instead of skylake
>b-but im scurrrred of overclocking
>b-but locked skylake can't overclock
kek

I got a few questions.
1. Is it OK to choose Skylake CPU over Kaby Lake if KL pricing is significantly higher? As far as I can tell, performance-wise it's not much of a difference.
2. Will KL CPU work with Z170 motherboard and is it possible to BCLK-overclock non K Kaby?
3. What is the best cooler for moderately overclocked SL/KL within 25-35 USD price range?

>>58555928
Honestly wanting to run the hardware at default settings isn't that unreasonable. Heck the 7600 turbos only 100mhz lower than what I keep my 6600k at. A 7600 plus a cheap board and the free Intel cooler is considerably cheaper than 6600k, z170 board, and at least $22usd for a decent cooler.

>>58555980
Yes
Yes, maybe
Evo 212 meme cooler isn't bad.

>>58555980
3.

cryorig h7

>>58555980
1. Kaby is slightly better, but if you havent upgraded in a while and dont mind spending $20 more on a better cpu, go with Kaby.
2. Kaby will work with Z170 after the Bios is updated. The Catch is that you will need a Skylake CPU to install the Bios update. After that, Kaby will work.
2.5. "BCLK-overclock non K Kaby", i dont know, but i dont see why not.
3. Hyper 212 seems to be a standard for most builds. Toms Hardware has a bunch of charts comparing Air Coolers.

>>58555980
1: go for it. Same ipc just higher clocks. A 6500 will last for years.
2: it works but you need a BIOS update first. Can't update BIOS without a CPU. If you have a friend has a Skylake cpu, you can use that to update it, just pay for some thermal paste for them. Bclk no idea.
3. Cryorig h7 easily.

>>58556009
>>58556050
Hyper 212 EVO? The heatsink is fine. The fan, however, is not. Slap on two good fans and it's good, but it is still a bitch to install compared to a Noctua.

>>58556092
I have a 212 evo right now. Temps are low with a 4.2ghz oc on my 6600k but going into the 4.4-4.5 territory makes it a bit too warm for my liking. Do you think replacing the fan would help?

>>58556122
Yes, better fans would help airflow. And it appears you lost the silicon lottery, my 4790k hits 4.6GHz all cores stable at 1.27v.

>>58556009
Thanks.
>>58556039
Not available in my country but thanks anyway.
>>58556050
>Kaby will work with Z170 after the Bios is updated. The Catch is that you will need a Skylake CPU to install the Bios update
Oh, ok. Got it. Thanks.
>>58556078
> go for it. Same ipc just higher clocks. A 6500 will last for years.
Now I got a really strange question.
Let's say I want to overclock non K skylake and I can get 6600 (not K one) slightly cheaper than 6500, should I go for it? Is there some advantages?

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>>58555280
isn't kaby win10 only?

>>58556366
Is not. If you install anything other than Windows 10, you just won't have access to some newer features.

Should I upgrade my front fans or my back fan first? Is this a coin flip decision?

>>58553494
Change ATX case for a mATX case, some might be cheaper, but I would recommend looking at Define mini C, would only cost up to 10 more, but since you chose mATX board, why not mATX case too

>>58556050
>slightly better
it just overcocks better.

>>58556146
Oh it's stable. I'm just a pussy about temps even though i know it's fine well above 70s. I only have a 1080p/ 60hz monitor. If any game I play sees a bottleneck I'll be extremely surprised. Even GTA V gets 60 fps smooth. Why push the clock speeds when my performance needs are met?

What are the better AMD GPU manufacturers ? Never owned an AMD card, but now I will probably buy 480 or 470, no idea what manufacturer to take, I've seen people talk about XFX but that one doesn't stock here, so what other good ones are ?
Also how much more powerful is 480 8gb against 470 8gb ?

>>58556164
If 6600 is cheaper than 6500 then go for that.

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>>58556439
>it's fine well above 70s
What?
Mine never hits 70C unless all cores are 100% in usage such as converting a long ass mp4 into a webm I eventually cut into smaller files for shitposting purposes. And it doesn't go above 73C.
Better get yourself those two fans soon.

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>>58555188
>i need some wise eyes on this. buying parts over the next few months to put together, gonna buy the motherboard on sunday
Don't do this, because the parts will likely have become cheaper at the end of the two month period. But if you're having trouble coughing up the money, some things are ridiculous, like the 1TB SSD or suggesting a 1080.

The Kaby Lake build is on the right track, but honestly the 1TB SSD is overkill.. 480GB + 2x 2TB HDDs in RAID, and then you'll have fault tolerance as well as higher speed.

If you're considering 1070 SLI, just buy the EVGA 1080 and use the step up program to get the 1080Ti

>air cooler or liquid
Air cooling

>expected performance
Pic related

>>58555190
On price/GB I'd go with the 960, but honestly you can get a much cheaper SSD

>>58555475
No

>>58556050
>The Catch is that you will need a Skylake CPU to install the Bios update
>>58556078
>Can't update BIOS without a CPU
Good thinking

>>58556413
Not exactly, higher stock clocks and better XMP overclocking. Also supports native 2400MHz RAM

>>58556611
I was saying that in general, CPU temp isn't a problem unless it throttles.
My video game load temp (gtav) is like 60 flat. Much less in the vast majority of others. The only time i ever see 70c is aida64, and that's only the peak of core0. Average is around 66 or 67.

>>58556611
Windows 7 in a VM, right? How much of a hit does the gfx perf take?

>>58556450
Don't ever buy a 470 -8gb please. You will hit 100% gpu useage wayyyy before you approach 4gb vram. 480-4gb is the 1080p value sweet spot. The 8gb mayyyy come into play at 1440p with ultra textures but the 480 isn't the strongest in 1440p, so you run into that same problem again.

To your actual question, Msi gaming X card is awesome. Mine stays low temps in every 1080p game. I heard that the asus ROG and Dual ones are pretty good but check reviews.
Sapphire is a great company and usually the best AMD board partner, but their rx 480 this time around runs rather hot and/or loud. Not sure about the 470. Again, reviews.
Whatever you do, don't get a reference cooler or a gigabyte 480. Thermal throttling out the ass.

>>58556669
Like barely any dent. It's not only a VM, it's a VM where you pass the graphics card through the host into the VM so the hardware is available for use. Where you might see problems is the CPU, this is where more cores is better. A hexacore would be perfect for this.

>>58556739
Okay, so I can rule out 470
Now since I have a 1440p monitor I'm looking at 480 8gb, since it seems a better choice(and cheaper) than 1060 6gb and higher tier GPU are out of my price range

>>58556450
The cards are about 15% different at stock, but you can OC the 470 to stock 480 performance

>>58556739
>Don't ever buy a 470 -8gb please. You will hit 100% gpu useage wayyyy before you approach 4gb vram.
Not necessarily true, for instance Rise of the Tomb Raider.

Anyone have any objections to this ?
https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/ROG-STRIX-RX480-O8G-GAMING/
I've also found sapphire for 50 euros cheaper, but it has only 2 year warranty over 3 for the one in the link and the asus one does seem better choice

>>58556377
What newer features?

>>58557041
4k streaming and new DRM

>>58557047
Really doesn't seem worth it then.

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>22c
somehow i refuse to believe this

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>>58553264
>Kaby Lake Awareness Edition
You called?

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Is there really a point in getting a SSD over a HDD? To me it just seems like HDDs are bigger, and less expensive.

>>58557468
>t. someone who never has used a SSD before
Just buy a 240GB SSD like the PNY CS1311 for like 60-70 bucks for your OS and some applications.
The speed is no comparison to HDDs, it will make your older PC fly again.

>>58557529
Thanks anon

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If using a 7600K and a Z270 mobo, what hoops do I have to jump through to use 3000MHz memory? Will it work natively or will I need to fuck with the BIOS at all?

>>58557596
XMP.

Can someone suggest low-cost GPU under 50 usd. I have a Pentium dual core e5300 2.6 GHz with 2gb ddr2 ram. I know this system is quite old but wanted to get a GPU for some casual gaming at low settings. Considering gt 710. Any thoughts?

>>58557683
It will be shit, but everything will be shit at that cost, look at used GPUs you might find something like 750Ti maybe

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/pcbg/ I need help.
I got CM Elite 330 case (pic related) from my previous build. Is there any way to properly manage cables inside, without all that fancy shrouds and special vents?

>>58558204
since there's no cable management behind the motherboard the only things I can imagine are:
>buying semi/full modular PSU
>using as little bullshit as you can
>using zipties to manage cables not being spread out throughout the whole case
>if the PSU is non modular you can stash a lot of shit on top of optical drive, if you have one (since the PSU is mounted on top)
Just think for a second that cable management is the same as junk management in your apartment, stash shit you don't need in places that you don't use and leave the open/work space as clean

>>58558204
No your case is shit. Try to hide cables behind the mobo plate and stuff the rest in the ODD and HDD bays.

>>58558204
You could just cut your own holes or something

Anyone have a list of recommended gigabit routers? Getting one to transfer files much faster and a better wifi signal. Preferably able to run dd-wrt on it. Have a budget of 200-300$.

Is it worth it switching to a H110i GTX if I already have an old H100i?

Currently hooked to a i5-3570k @4.5 - swapping it this week for a 6700k.

So I bought a usb3 card reader that plugs into the internal header on mb. It lit up once, but otherwise was fucked. Installed pcie x1 usb3 card with header and moved connector. Works fine... What gives?

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My first pc plz give any advice or tips

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>>58558795
>8350
>770
>LOOKS STUNNING, PERFORMS EVEN BETTER

That case has excellent airflow, I wouldn't change anything, as long as you have a monitor that can handle the 1080

>>58557468
A lot of people seem to mistake SSDs as a replacement to a traditional HDD and they're not.

You get one that's small in size and put your operating system and most used applications on it. Then you use a traditional HDD for normal storage.

>>58558954
Plz explain

>>58559223
your pc is shit and you wasted all your money on a water cooler and flashy lights you dumb cunt

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>>58558795
>absolute rig
>looks stunning, performs even better
Only if you've spent less than $500 for it

>>58559248
Thank

I didn't make it I got it from a friend. Anyone want to point me out of the shit house?

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>>58559592
>AMD
>GTX 770 in 2017
>msi motherboard
>nzxt shit meme case
>lighting strip
>120mm watercooler
>led fans
hope this helps you freindo il post my rig

>>58559655

> 2017
> top-mounted PSU

Oh, (you).

>>58559698
I just want tips

*sighs*

>>58559698
Top mounted PSUs aren't bad if your case is going to be unavoidably on carpet or some other kind of dusty floor.

>>58559698
i bought the case off my school for $10 with a 600w bronze psu its and antec atlas 550
>>58559751
and yes its on carpet so it has that going for it

Anyone here know if the nzxt x52 will fit in the ncase m1? I read the Corsair 100iv2 won't fit because the tubing isn't very flexible and is quite thick. Now the x52 has thinner, more flexible tubing, but the tubes are 100mm longer than Corsair's. Trying not to go with an air cooler since I'll be using an open air GPU and don't want it to feed the cpu cooler warm air.

>>58559936
>nzxt meme case

come on get something better

>>58559982
What's a better itx case than the Ncase m1? I consider most other itx cases too big, like the Fractal Define Nano S

>>58560000
>nice quads
shit sorry i read it wrong (playing kf2 at the same time) i thought you were asking if you should get an nzxt case i don't know how i read it like that. autism i guess but why do you need a big water cooler like that?

>>58554890
nice, specs?

>>58560061
Trying to maintain my 4.6 OC on my 4690k without running into any stability issues/throttling. I don't think an air cooler will do considering how tiny the case is with an open air gpu feeding it hot air. At least with an Aio cooler it'd be cooled by the fresh air outside the case. Also it could fit a 240mm rad so I feel obligated to rather than 120mm

>>58560206
hmm well you could all ways buy it and try to fit it. if it fits no prob if it doesn't you could mod the tubing and that's dodgy. or return it and take the $10-$20 restocking fee

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>>58553264
so, this is going to be a long one, i am so done with this shit:
my previous system was
>FX-8350
>Asrock 980DE3/US3
>16 GB ddr3 1833Mhrtz RAM

>Powercolor R9 380 4gb PCS+
>7200 rpm WD Blue
>250 Gb Crucial BX200 SSD
>CoolerMaster Mastercase Pro 5
>Win7 64-bit Service Pack 1

I sold the first three to get
>i5 6600
>gigabyte z170 hd3p
>8GB ddr4 2133 Hrtz
(laugh at me if you like, this was my first time)

But then the USB controller driver of the board made my Win7 crash so i thought, fuck it and install Linux Mint 18 with Cinnamon 64-bit and then the fuckery started
>didn't work from USB stick
>buy DVD-Drive and install
>LM freezes two minutes after booting every time
>reformat SSD to Mbr
>install Win 10, breaks immediatly after booting
>get new ISO from official media creation tool
>install and use generic key
>it works for a few minutes
>keeps bluescreening and dying on me with always different error codes
>find out that the system always crashes when it tries to install the amd drivers among other occasions
>try install older drivers
>bluescreen
>this goes on for a few times
>try to install different browsers (standard firefox, nightly, chrome) always something with broke downloads and files corrupted
>try installing games fom steam
>hotline miami launcher boots
>game gives me error messages for non existing files
>check the game, no errors found

>lay in bed
>assume fetus position
>cry

Please tell me that you have an idea what could be wrong with my system ?
I don't want to give up on these hundreds of euros i apparently threw into the fire ?
Could it be a drive failure ?
Should i try 32-bit system ?
Please help me /g/

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>>58553264
Anyone know some nice retro looking cases to use for modern pc-building? I hate how everything modern looks fucking edgy and tacticool. I just want a nice, clean, functional-looking, beige desktop. Any suggestions?

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>>58553278
>assassins creed unity

>>58561191
i also tried to take the video card out and there wasn't any video output even thought the system went up.
Could it be that the mobo is broken ?

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>>58561225
>Buy pic and twenty cans of beige spray paint
>Buy a respirator too.
>Spray and pray like you're at Columbine

>>58553264
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7vfrtJ
Rate my build, I'll be playing at 1080p/144hz

>>58561191
>i5 6600
>gigabyte z170 hd3p
>8GB ddr4 2133 Hrtz
It's shit and you should have done more research before buying those parts like a brainless consumerist.

>Please tell me that you have an idea what could be wrong with my system ?
Some boards have issues with Windows 7 and some are incompatible to Linux, so if you want a Linux system, you should have checked compatibility first.
If you're unlucky you fucked up some part, most likely the mobo, that's causing your bluescreens.

>I don't want to give up on these hundreds of euros i apparently threw into the fire ?
You gave up on your money the moment you bought that.

>Should i try 32-bit system ?
You just went from semi-retard to full-retard.

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Can I slap a Sapphire 480 on this build?
Also, worth it to get the Nitro version Y/N?

I'm retarded and just started learning about PC building recently so I wanna make sure I'm not getting a card that I can't slot into this mobo.

>>58561369
yeah, i deserved that one, so your are saying that the Motherboard could be damaged by the Linux installs ?

>>58561378
>Can I slap a Sapphire 480 on this build?
Sure, but idk if it will be bottlenecked, my guess is that it would be. RX470 4G should be a good alternative.

>Also, worth it to get the Nitro version Y/N?
Never ever get a reference card, coolers on those cards suck ass.

building my first pc. not sure what GPU to get. Im already a little over budget.
I wanted to get an rx480 nitro+(8gb) or the gtx1060(6gb) but someone told me i should buy two storage units. One ssd for putting windows and an hdd for everything else.

should i downgrade the gpu to a gtx1060 with 3gb and get an ssd and hdd, or should i just have one memory and use the money on the gpu?

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is this the video game console assembly thread?

>>58561424
>the Motherboard could be damaged by the Linux installs ?
Are you retarded? You could have damaged it with your fat fingers, faggot.

>>58561522
Thing would be a lot easier if you posted your build, you know?

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>>58561432
I'm not gonna go past 1080p for a while so I was thinking on one hand a 480 could be a bit overkill, but it could also serve as futureproofing in a way if I decide to build a better rig sometime down the line. Just pop it out of this old one and slot it in the new one.

I thought the reference cards were like the plain jane ones made by AMD or Nvidia themselves, no?
Maybe I have it all mixed up. Either way, 480 Sapphire ones all appear to be Nitro or Nitro+ from what I'm seeing.

I see this with 470s though. Top one is reference and bottom isn't? Makes sense the bottom one would be cooler, having another fan and all.

>>58561727
If you stay at 1080p the 480 is slightly overkill. Sure you can reuse it later on, but if you don't plan on buying a new Pc for another 3-4 years a RX470 will offer value because you're likely to get a new GPU by then anyways.
Reference design cards have a shitty, loud ass cooler on it, unless you require such a design it's better to buy aftermarket models.

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>>58558795

>>58561723
oh sorry. i didnt think it would matter that much
https://www.komplett.no/wishlists/66e29d62-272f-4d44-b7c0-42e3c609c1cc

that's assuming i buy both storage units AND one of the GPUs

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Do I have my MOBO into my IO shield enough? It was a pretty tough for to get the DVI and HDMI ports out enough but I'm worried about the 3.0 and Ethernet.

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>>58558795

>>58561945
Jesus Christ this is pants on head retarded. Do more research.

I just created my build this week and bought two monitors. I'm using a Display Port with one of 'em and HDMI with the other but I'm only getting audio coming out of them one at a time. How do I make it so the audio defaults to whatever application is on the device rather then having audio coming out of only one monitor at a time?

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>>58561795
So basically, I should try to get anything that looks different from this design?

Seems simple enough. I'll try to go for a 470 to test the waters, and since it's a bit more economic it should be easier to do since I'm on a budget.
Will probably have to change the PSU as well. It's some chink brick that I couldn't even find info about anywhere. PowerStar brand or some shit, I don't even remember and I'm too lazy to open the case to check. I'm actually surprised it hasn't exploded in the 5 years I've had this rig.

So I got a freesync 144hz monitor.

What next?

>>58561727
470 and 480 are about 15% different at stock. Both are good 1080p cards. Definitely get an aftermarket card because you get a binned chip (better overclocking especially with the 470).

Depends on the games, but the 480 is really not a 1440p card, and buy the time you upgrade it definitely won't be

>>58561945
Not a great build.. You can't overclock the 6600K on an H110 mobo. Either get a Z170 or drop to an i5 6500

But really you should get Kaby Lake, which would be i5 7500 or 7600K and a H210 or Z270

Get a 240GB SSD

Can drop to 8GB, especially if you use a B150/B250

>>58562082
Wait for Vega if 1440p

>>58562056
Audio multi out

>>58561946
You can clip those little metal dividers if they're in the way

>>58556767
There a program for this?

>>58557415
What's your cooler?

>>58562072
Chink PSUs are dangerous, do change it. As GPU brand go with Asus, MSI, Sapphire or XFX.

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Finally ordered my second set of 8GB of ram and my i5 6600K to go with my RX 470. Feels good man. Gonna OC that badboy right away to 4.5 and relax.

Anybody else always get PC building anxiety despite never having any building issues?
I'm on my 4th PC build ever now and I still get horrible anxiety that I'll fuck something up dramatically despite knowing exactly what I'm doing.

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r8 my new build

Also, which custom RX480 is the best?

144hz monitors are crowded at the same price point.. Which one is really the best?

I love no-blur lightboost on my benq xl2411 but washed out colors are hard to fix without colorimeter

>>58562338

Get faster ram

>>58562306
Just make a check list dude. Doing stuff off the top will always add anxiety.

Hey i had a question. I just built a PC and sometimes when it gets warm during a heavy gaming session the case makes popping noises like its expanding/contracting. Not loud but i was wondering if it is cause for concern.

>>58562306
I know this feel, I even bought anti-static wristbands for my first build even though it was only 400$. I've been obsessing over my new build and it still needs work.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/psv6yf

>>58562139
They're not in the way per say, but they were a bitch to get in. I'm using a ASUS z170-e and it's just far enough that I'm worried about USB drives fitting in.

>>58562306
Over here building my first and worried I'm going to break my MOBO trying to get it in place.

>>58562354
PCPP didn't have my QUMO kit which is 3200, so I just threw in something and punched in the price manually.

>>58562139
>Audio multi out
Yeah but what program do I use? I've tried two or three so far and none of them have really worked.

As a new builder, it's frustrating that all of these sites recommend mid-tower cases. After doing some research, I decided on a MasterPro5 (modular potential out the ass) and now that it's full, I realize I could have saved $50 and gone ITX. If you have no desire to run multiple GPUs and don't need more than two HDD slots, there's no point in a mid-tower case other than....well...nothing.

>>58562291
Any recommendations on PSUs? Maybe 500-600w to start with. Quality goes first and foremost though.

What brands are trusty?

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>>58562422
But I love seeing my big black glowing tower of doom while I do stuff.
Also airflow, cable management, and expandability.

>>58562498

pics?

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What did they mean by this?

>>58562422
This

matx and itx are truely the master race. Anyone who is atx and isn't running more than one gpu has 125% of being a first time builder.

>>58562464
See here: http://i.imgur.com/361pNaI.png

>>58562539

I'd personally drop to 4.6 and see if you can get to 1.3v or lower.

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>>58562539
DELET

>>58562592
I actually dropped it down to 4.5 @ 1.28v

Paid roughly $150 for the cpu and ~$90 for mobo. Werks like a charm.

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Are my volts good for my haswell overclock?

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>>58562549

truth. going back i'd rather run something like this rather than what i'm putting together ATM

>>58562055
im sorry. im not really good with computers. what did i do wrong?
>>58562091
im not planning on overclocking. i just want a computer to play some games on. one that isnt shit.

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>>58562574
I'm taking a liking to this one here.
Looks like it has nice reviews, it's not very expensive and it has a nice wattage for what I need.
Tempted to pull the trigger right now actually.

Thanks for the info phamiglia.

>>58555347

>not starting with disk 0

>>58562795
I suggest Logical Increments website, you'll get a good build for whatever budget there.

>>58562574
I bought a EVGA Nex750B. Did I fug up?

>>58562921
i've bought most of the parts so it's pretty much too late. all i need is the gpu and storage. thanks for the advice though.

>>58562338
Buy Kaby Lake i5 7600K and a Z270
3000MHz RAM

>>58562366
Probably nothing to worry about

>>58562422
Agreed, mini-ITX is good, but in general it's more expensive than mATX. Personally I like bench cases

>>58562795
Look at the pcbg pcpartpicker link in the OP

>>58563002
see
>>58563000

also i based my parts on a pre-made gaming computer made by a norwegian company called komplett.(it's basically the store all computer enthusiasts and gamers here go to.)

>>58562799

Get a Seasonic psu, or an EVGA G2/G3 psu

If I'm getting a 6600k and a 1070 do I need W10? Or can I stick to W7? I have no idea if dx12 is worth the "upgrade"

Also is it better to upgrade from 7 to 10 or just install 10 outright? Assuming daz activation either way

>>58562921

Not exactly, it's okay as a guideline for first time builders, but some of their reccomendations are outdated or retarded.

>>58562687

Looks Gucci Mane

>>58563054
you need a special utility as MOBO manufacturers made a "deal" to only support Win10 for skylake. But most manufacturers provide a utility to create a Win7 bootable ISO to circumvent that.

For example, MSI has:
https://service.msicomputer.com/msi_user/support/techfaqdetail.aspx?formid=3350

>>58563131
scratch that, Intel made the deal by not including EHCI (which Win7 needs) in the Z170 chipset. So you use the tool to circumvent that requirement.

>>58563046
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817438094

Maybe this one then? It's 3 burgers cheaper and can stand 50w more.
I'm guessing EVGA is better than be quiet! as a brand?

>>58563158
>>58563131
Fun, so probably just go to 10 and avoid some hassle

>>58562366
Only your heatsink should be making those noises, there is a lot of expanding in those copper vapor tubes and a lot of fin connections to creak against

>>58562498
Airflow is a non-issue, cable management is just aesthetics, he already said "if you don't need expandability" and towering black cock of doom is also aesthetics
Tiny qtp2t computer has better aesthetics than hulking tall african hut

>>58562799
For $109 you can get better, see >>58563046
>I'm guessing EVGA is better than be quiet! as a brand?
No and don't be a brandcuck. EVGA's G2 and G3 are excellent, but their NEX and GQ are only mediocore.
Same with Be Quiet!, their Dark Power (Pro) are excellent while their Straight and System power are mediocore.

>>58563054
Just install 10, the whole unactivated installation is free from Microsoft website
DX12 is a fucking godsend compared to the shitshow DX11 was, there's only one real argument against 10 and that's botnet/updates, not functionality
There's no asking for opinions anymore, if the botnet bothers you, get Windows 7. If it doesn't bother you, Windows 10 is objectively the better OS

>>58563158
But Windows 7 doesn't need that

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>>58563268
Cut me some slack my man, I'm a rookie at this shit.

I was running some numbers and a G3 does look like a better choice over a Straight Power 10.
It's all part of the learning process, I just want to make sure I spend my money wisely because like I said, I'm in a budget for the time being and I don't wanna end up with expensive bricks I can't do shit with for being careless.

>>58559146
Oh. I never thought about that, might get one. Thanks anon.

When I install DDR4 3000Mhz memory on a z170 mobo, it doesn't default to 3000MHz, right?

Do you need to enable something in the bios?

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Hey guys is there a way to see if my GPU is broke or if it was my motherboard not being able to handle it?

It's kind of fucked up. I have a shitty prebuilt Dell XPS 8300 from the year 2012. I tried to put in a MSI RX470 but for some reason it wouldn't work. I can get my 560ti to work but not the rx470, like theres no picture at all but I still can hear the rx470 fans spinning.

I'm ordering a new motherboard and other items to make my own build but I want to know if the rx470 is broken or my computer is too shit to run it.

Any help would be appreciated because if I can't find out I will have to take the rx470 to a shop to see if it works which will cost me about 50$ and the fucking serial number got scratched somehow so the warranty no longer is good(even though I got it a month ago)

>>58563603
XMP

>>58563379
>G3 does look like a better choice over a Straight Power 10
It's much, much better than the Straight Power 10, see: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=500

>I'm in a budget for the time being and I don't wanna end up with expensive bricks
In that case i suggest you do as much research as you can, also post the whole build before pulling the trigger on expensive bricks.

>>58563603
If you're the fag from earlier, it's still XMP, nothing has changed.

>>58563698
10 bucks you haven't connected the power cable or your PSU doesn't supply the needed power.

>>58563721
I connected it. The PSU was a 500W Cooler master. But it was an older PSU and I had to get a 6 to 8 pin converter for it.

>>58563698
Are you plugging in the 6 or 8 pin PCIe power connector

>>58563789
This might be your problem.

>>58563803
Yeah it was probably time to get a new PSU anyway. Should I still get a new motherboard though? The old motherboard is a Dell Inc. 0Y2MRG

and it can't handle new CPU's which I want to add since the i5-2300 is showing it's age now.

>>58563789
You might try to plug in both cards at one time if you have enough PCIe slots, boot into windows, then install the Radeon drivers

>>58563834
In your case a whole new build might be the way to go, salvage what you can, get the rest new.

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>>58563721
I'm this guy here >>58561378
In reality it's not so much a build from the ground up but rather upgrading the parts that show the most age right now (i.e. shit GPU and shit fire hazard PSU, CPU is showing age but it can still serve for some time to my judgement).
When the money gets better I'll work on building one from scratch and use those two parts as a sort of kickstart to not begin from zero, or at the very least sell them to have a little more flexibility to buy better ones.

Initially the question was if the mobo was compatible with a Sapphire 480, but it led into the PSU probably not being able to keep up and melt or explode, whichever happened first.

I might go for a 750w G3 to not have to worry about overloading it (I'm not sure on this though, if 650w would already be enough, but I keep thinking of reusing it and the extra wattage could come in handy later), and still a Sapphire 480 to top it off and see if it runs.
Even if it's slightly overkill for 1080p I'd rather have it overperforming and limit framerates over dropping frames under 60.

>>58564020
Could 750w really come in handy later?
"Later", things will probably not be twice as power hungry and "later", SLI won't exist
650W could handle any 220W CPU and any 300W GPU easily, I doubt you're getting more power hungry stuff than a 9350 and Titan XP

>>58564020
RX 480 and 470 are fine in your situation, 480 is overkill and could be bottlenecked. For the PSU 650W is all you need.
16GB RAM is also more than enough, no idea about the mobo, definitely get a 120/240GB SSD and consider adding 1-2 fans if t's the stock case.
What about the CPU cooler, is it also stock? Consider changing it to something like a Cryorig C7 or M9i.

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>>58564137
650w it is then. See, I'm learning.

>>58564172
I've had the intention of getting more storage, yeah. It's been getting to the point where I actually have to delete garbage to make way for new garbage.
The case is a cheapy black box, one exhaust on the side for the CPU fan and a couple grills on the back with nothing really on them. No dust filters, no fancy stuff.
No extra cooling, just the stock Intel CPU fan and GPU fan. So far over the years it hasn't melted and usually doesn't get terribly hot. Maybe around 70C when I play heavy-ish games? I know the cooler it is the better, so I'll consider getting a decent fan if I can as well. Those two you mention look alright.

In all honesty it makes more sense to start a build from zero, but I want to try my hand switching some components around first before getting into a complete build cause I'm a bitch like that.

>>58564483
Cooler is better but skylake really isn't that hot, even overclocked a fair amount, the new cooler is more for having less noise than lower temps

>>58564483
Get a SSD regardless, it will make your PC fly and 120/240GB entry level SSDs are not expensive.
>one exhaust on the side for the CPU fan and a couple grills on the back with nothing really on them
Can you mount a fan at the front? Negative air preassure is not optimal.
70°C is ok, but far from good, especially since you don't OC.

>In all honesty it makes more sense to start a build from zero
Yeah, probably. You could try to sell your current PC as a whole used computer, should be still worth some money.
You could invest that money into a new Zen build in march.

>>58564561
Negative air pressure is actually better for system temps

>>58564586
Only if you don't have additional exhausts like open top. Anways, only one fan is not good imo.

>>58564653
Three fans is the sweet spot according to Linustouchtips, doesn't matter which way as long as one is reverse

>>58558630
>>58558630
Bumping

>>58563131
I'm actually getting an MSI board. So I'll need this instead of windows to make the usb boot I want? Thanks

>>58564730
Only if it has LEDs on it. :^)

>>58553675
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mvqLbj
Fractal core 500 might work

>>58564508
Eh, I don't really mind the noise. I'm pretty used to it at this point.
Will still consider a better fan anyway.

>>58564561
Nah the front is all covered up. The only thing I could think of is the plaques under the disc drive that detach to make space for more drives and shit, but they're just solid pieces of plastic now and I have the impression taking them off would do more bad than good.
If there were grill-like pieces I guess that could open it up, but with such a generic case I doubt those exist.

I'll think about the SSD if I have leftovers afterwards to afford it. I wanna see if I don't fry my PC first.

>>58564808
The h100i already has LEDs :^)

Seriously though.

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made this build for a family member of mine.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q6kpVY

Wonder if this is okay. Haven't looked into this stuff ever since the 3rd generation of Intel core processors.

>>58564851
I hope those are RGB, otherwise you'll lose a significant amount of FPS. :^)

>>58564853
>air conditioner meme case

choose something else with actual dust filters and isn't fuckhueg

I3 6100 (overclocked), non K low end i5, or I3 7350K (overclocked) for a completely new build?

>>58564909
If that's the only criticism, then I guess it's okay.

He can deal with size/dust lol.

>>58564913
No k low end i5 overclocked

>>58564930
Get faster ram.

>>58564913
>I3 7350K
Is a shit CPU, end of story. Get the i3-6100, much cheaper and possible to OC.

>>58564913
G4560 or i5 7500
Z270 and 3000MHz RAM with the i5 7500 (can use enhanced turbo)

>>58564853
3000MHz RAM, consider i7 7700K + Z270 for one click overclocking

He needs a nice 1440p monitor more than an i7

>>58564837
>I'll think about the SSD if I have leftovers afterwards to afford it
It should be a priority while you're bothering to refresh your system.

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>>58554624
What is your budget?

This is a pretty good article:

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-24-inch-monitor/

Is the 450 1tb WD blue stil the go to hdd? What about 2tb or more? I needs more space.

>>58565466
$50**

>>58565466
No, $50 2TB HGST, check newegg, filter by new then run a drive checker on it after you get it to make sure it's actually new.

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>>58562799
I think the 650W EVGA GS is a better deal, and you can get an amazon warehouse one for even cheaper than the list of 84.

>>58565466
WD Blue, Toshiba P300 or HGST 7Kxxxx. Although i'm not a fan of buying old HGST drives from 7 years ago.
They are either leftovers or refurb drives and the later is a gamble.

>>58555385
seconding Phanteks, the Evolv ITX/ATX manage to avoid being trashy, but also aren't actively boring like the Defines

Is there a list of gpus that have passive cooling? (fans won't turn on until >60 degrees).

My rig is:

>Core i7 4790k
>32 GB RAM 1866
>750 PSU
>Dual 2560 x 1440 monitors, but I would only use one

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Should I get the 850 evo 250gb and buy another one later, or should I just go for the 500?

I already have a 500gb hdd

>>58565659
I think all the MSI Twin Frozr VI cards do, as do the XFX GTR cards

>>58554890
What case?

Whats a decent 500-600w PSU?

Mostly I just want something that most likely won't surge.

>>58565666
Might as well get the 500gb for future proofing also nice numbers.

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>>58565083
It might be my ignorance speaking due to never having an SSD before but I don't really have it as a top priority.
I've managed just fine with HDDs so far, but I will definitely get an SSD given the chance. It just doesn't seem like a make or break kind of deal to me currently.

>>58565579
Other anons already pointed me to the G3 series before. I'll trust them because I'm still new at this and it looks like solid advice when it comes to a quality PSU.
I was seeing the GS is about 20 shekels less than a G3 but I think spending that little extra will be better in the long run.

>>58565823
G2, GS, and G3 are similarly good PSUs from different vendors. I think the G3 is an updated version of the G2, which is made by Superflower

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>>58565823
Makes sense about the PSU. I chose the GS because it is supposed to be optimized for silent operation and that is what I was going for.

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>>58566058
And the GS is supposed to be by Seasonic

>>58566069
>it is supposed to be optimized for silent operation
My G2 is as quiet as the GS, as long as you don't go over half of the PSU's peak wattage. It's all down to the fans, which is replaceable if you feel like voiding your 10-year warranty (on the G2, it might only be 5-years for the GS).

>>58559810

>carpeted floors
>2017

eww get the disgusting shit away from me

>>58565275
I'd be willing to go up to $500-600 for the right one. I'm uncomfortable with spending more than that with HDR right around the corner.

>>58562215
corsair h60. hence why i'm surprised

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>>58553264
any solid cheap motherboards that have at least two slots for 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM RAM?

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So i'm stress testing my i7-6700k with prime95 26.6, overclocked to 4.4ghz using MSI's overclock genie.

i'm skeptical of these temp reads -- they are way too good. highest it has gone is 60c for about a second. my cooler is a humble corsair h60, could that really work this well?

>>58566526
i'm >>58566493 >>58557415 btw

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>>58553264
I'm about to take my A+, wanted to make a stupid cheap build just to refresh my memory on everything. Anyone have any good recommendations on a budget build for posterity's sake?

>>58566592
Buy some cheap parts from eBay or Craigslist. What's your budget?

When will the Pentium g4560 be available?

>>58566682
200 bucks. I've already got a nice SSD i plan on slapping in there. I mean I don't expect to do much gaming on it, but I don't particularly want to build a potato either.

>>58566592
This is why I build when someone asks for a cheap office build.

Can probably scrap some $ off though

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nksYbj

>>58566526
What's the ambient temp?

>>58566592
An APU build would be your best bet for a practice build. Shouldn't set you back more than $200 or so. Check logicalincrements.

>>58565466
What about WD Reds?

>>58566821
They're for servers.

>>58566798
around 30. 25 when not OC'd

>>58566879
No, what's the literal temperature in the room.

>>58566894
Oh, lol. about 22

>>58566226

you're insane for spending that money on such a small display.

insane.

>>58566898
I don't think your OC results are that unreasonable then. You might just have a chip that performs great at a very low voltage. Combine that with your cooler and a good job by you installing the cooler and it's not impossible.

The only thing that would throw it off would be if your idle temps were way too low. Idle temps can't be less than ambient if the reading is to be trusted. A 22 C reading at idle is suspciously low and probably grounds for assuming the sensor is off by a few degrees.

>>58566962
i can't say for sure it's actually 22c ambient since our heater doesnt show the actual temp (just what we have it set to). also the screenshot earlier this thread was when it wasn't OC'd. it would make sense that the sensor is a bit off but I wanna believe

When is vegaaaaaaaaaaa comiinnnnnnnnn

>>58566932
It's not like I'm looking to spend more, just would be willing to if it were the right display. I'd go up to 32" if it seemed like a nice panel.

I'm not getting WQHD and I'm not getting a 1080p panel that's larger than the 24" one that I already have, so it's going to be around $400 for a decent display. Not sure why you'd say $500 is "insane."

>>58567010

you're insane because if you're gonna spend that money you should be looking at high end tv's in the lower sizes instead of overpriced 'monitors' that only go up to sizes where tv's begin.

you're literally gonna pay more for less.

for 500 bucks you can find a 4k tv that's ips and hdr. do your homework. it's not like you're going 144 hz or variable refresh rate. /g/ thinks tv's are stupid but that's because they're ignorant as fuck and running linux ons a 1440x900 18 inch monitor.

>>58562203
KVM, Xen, VMware. Your only real losses are the shared cpu usage and ram. (also address lookaside, but I don't think that's appreciable)

>>58567142
The absolute best 4k tv's have around 20-30ms input lag. Some of the ones with better picture and all of the HDR bells and whistles are up around 50-70ms or even worse. Completely unacceptable to me. That would piss me off much more than being limited to 60 Hz or being "limited" to a 32" display that I'm sitting a few feet away from.

>>58566837
Could be useful as a secondary storage drive.
>Cooler
>Quieter
>Less vibration

>>58561301
It's OK. Get 2400MHz RAM since you're getting Kaby Lake.

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KL
Z270
Air cooled
M.2
ATX
But it needs more RAM

>>58568041
No it doesn't nigga. Also got some poor value.

I have 2400mhz rated ram, but when I overclocked my cpu it set it to 2666mhz. Now my motherboard has the ram light on, indicated a problem, but I haven't experienced any problems. My system is stable in 20 minutes of aida64 and unigine heaven. Should I just ignore it?

Is it worth it to upgrade from a 4790k?

>>58568041
How to overbudget /10

>>58568139
No

>>58568108
Yes

>>58560185
i5 2500k, gtx 1050ti, 16gb kingston hyperx, 1tb hdd, 300gb hdd, 120gb ssd, 450 watt antec powersupply

>>58565692 see >>58555451

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>>58568063
>>58568164

oh sorry. let me just stay poor.

>>58568326
4gb 1070?

>>58568349

founder's founder edition

>>58568349
Si, si mi amor. No, don't know why it says 4gb, I haven't even noticed until now.

>>58568326
Stop fucking shaking.

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I want a new gpu but I think I'm set for a while, thoughts?

Is a Radeon 7870 GHz edition still relevant? Have a client I built for 5 years ago. Got him an fx-6300/Radeon 7870 build for under $450. He said on certain games, (see 99% of them) the PC seems to be struggling just to give 60fps on medium settings.

Now I'm thinking the weak CPU is the culprit. Have an i3-6100/H170/8GB ram setup for $210 lined up from microcenter.

>inb4 the new pentium

He wants this build as soon as possible. I don't think he cares about the 3% performance difference between the two.

If the 7870 isn't up to the task, what would be a better replacement? 4GB 1050TI or an Rx 470 4GB? Both are under $170.

>>58568397
Took pictures with a 7 year old samsung m8.

>>58568412
Completely depends on the game as to what his bottleneck is. That CPU is very weak for games that require heavy single threaded performance and that's just about all games these days. The GPU on the other hand can give workmanlike 1080p performance but he'd definitely need to be turning down some settings to do that, and that still may not be enough on some newer GPU intense titles.

Honestly if he has the $170 to spend now on a new GPU while you're putting the other one together he should spring for the 470.

>>58568457
Yea that's what I figured. I mean games like battlefield run decent because of the proper multi threading, but other than that, it's a stutter fest. so the i3-6100 would be a good enough step up yea?

And I know the 7870 is still a fighter. It's only real problem is it's lack of VRAM. Only 2gb.

So you'd vouch for the rx470 over a 4GB 1050TI? Any particular reason? Or is it just that much better? I stopped even acknowledging GPU benches when I bought my 980 TI.

>>58568595
The 470 is a better all-rounder at that price. The 1050 Ti will probably edge it out in some heavily Nvidia favored titles but the 470 will beat it overall and seeing as how long your client kept his 7870 I think he'll be better off sticking with an AMD card that should age pretty well.

As for the i3 being good enough, I think as long as he isn't big on recording gameplay or thinking about streaming it should be fine. Only a handful of games out there get a big boost from having more than 4 threads currently. I think he'll be really happy with the improvement if he's a 1080p/60fps kind of guy and doesn't mind making sacrifices where required. The bump in performance from what he's got currently is probably worth what he's spending depending on how much you charge him for the labor.

Someone make a new thread.

>>58568653
Ah I'll probably charge him a measly $30-$40 for labor. His PC is built, just swapping a few things and installing windows 10. And yea, that Radeon lasted him quite some time. The rx470 should as well.

His son does the gaming. Maybe I'll let his son talk him up to a 7600k/z270/rx480 build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z2btr7
Is this build good for 1080p?

>>58568944
Yes

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