/mkg/ - mechanical keyboard general

why the fuck do keycaps cost so much i hate my life

hey /mkg/, so I've gotten into mech keyboards this year and now my dad wants one for Christmas. He used to give me shit for spending so much on MKBs but I guess I won him over. here's what he wants:


>Budget
$120ish or under
>Location
US West Coast
>Preferred switch type
"The easiest to press"; I interpret this as MX Reds
>Layout
"I never use the numpad"; TKL or 60ish with arrowkeys
>Backlight
He wants RGB
>Previous/current keyboards
He's never even tried one but there's no goddamn way he'd put in the effort to try one first. We're several state away, but I have a Pok3r RGB w Browns and I just bought the XMIT Hall Effect TKL Bamboo.

>>57704368
what'd you buy that you regret so much?

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>>57704368
quality costs money

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>>57704616
>He wants RGB
either your dad has autism, or you meant you younger brother

>>57704649
they are keycaps though. The materials and the process required to make key caps are equivalent to making lego blocks, they shouldn't cost more than then actual keyboard itself.
But as long as consumers pay the listed price, there aren't reasons to sell them cheaper I guess.

Whats the general consensus on Logitech g910 and their romer-g switches? I know its gaymur shit, but the keyboard is almost half price (80£) on amazon.

>>57704881
legos are made in massive quantities and don't require the same kind of tools as making keycaps does.

A lego brick of a given shape requires a single injection mold, with no processing after it has been cast. In terms of keycaps, a blank keycap would be equivalent to this.

>>57704940
blank or """ninja"""" keycaps are sometimes more expensive than the keyboard itself

>>57704881
>>57704940
Lego sets cost more than most keycap sets.

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>>57704687
I think he thinks he'll change it to festive colors for holidays and shit, which he won't, but yeah maybe autism.

OEM or Cherry profile?
also best blank thick pbt dealer

>>57705016
What kind of blanks are you looking at?

>>57705023
And you, what kind of lego sets are you looking at? Most of the things I see on amazon are less than 30 bucks.

>>57705057
Cherry.

>>57705023
not replacement blocks.
only the muh Star Wars edition legos do.

>>57704368
>why the fuck do keycaps cost so much i hate my life
Can you type faster, more accurately or produce better quality code/text with the key caps?
If the answer is no, you do not need to buy keycaps.

Linus Torvalds maintains the Linux kernel with a standard Corsair mechanical keyboard. He doesn't use a custom lubed up O-ringed HHKB with Miami Keys, dildo shaped artisan escape key, braided cable and RGB LEDS

>>57705074
>>57705078
I'm comparing lego sets to key cap sets. The lego train this year is like $100.

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>>57705090
>He doesn't use a custom lubed up O-ringed HHKB with Miami Keys, dildo shaped artisan escape key, braided cable and RGB LEDS
and /g/ still wonders why linux will never make it to the desktop

Though last I had checked he was using a cooler master.
What a pleb he has become.

>>57705107
https://www.amazon.com/LEGO-City-Passenger-Train-7938/dp/B003A2JCQ8
jesus christ what the fuck

This is not how I remember my childhood.

>>57705133
It's just modern day scalpers. They try scalp anything and lego shit is pretty high up there.

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>>57705090
Except Bjarne Stroustrup and Richard Stallman both use HHKBs

>>57704616
can try this one out, MK Disco TKL RGB.

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?keyword=&brand=33&switch=&size=Tenkeyless&led=8&capmat=&capprint=&model=&availability=&show_kb=off&show_kb=on&show_acc=off&show_acc=on

They use KBT switches and are based off ducky keyboards. The white-keyed ones are actually pretty cool cause the whole thing lights up.

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What you'll think?

KBP V60, Cherry Black, Gateron Brown w/ Black spring on the spacebar

>Budget
None, I'm a rich bitch
>Location (continent at least)
Are there other locations besides America?
>Preferred switch type
Idk I'm not autistic. Something that is comfortable and not too loud.
>Layout
Standard American keyboard
>Form factor
80% but has to be wireless.
>Backlight
Not necessary
>Previous/current keyboards
Thinkpad laptop keyboard

Help me out guys

>>57705391
>no numpad
>no f keys
>meme keycaps
Can we stop this.

>>57704337
what exactly constitutes a mechanical keyboard? Would a t420 have an inbuilt mechanical keyboard? It feels firm and clicky etc

>>57705426
Varmilo vb8m bluetooth version

>>57705442

Did you type that on your numpad?

>>57705461
Anything that doesn't use a carbon contact actuating mechanism is considered mechanical.

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Do Topre or Novatouch keys have any sort of tactile feedback? All i know is they have that little thock sound

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>>57705800
They do. The tactile feedback is done by the rubberdome.

>>57705855
So whats it like, a little bump like an mx brown?

>>57705800
Realforce feels linear to me. No idea why opinions like >>57705855 are parroted as much as they are.

It's very smooth till it makes that thonk from bottoming out. It's rubber so bottoming out is like on rubber membrane keyboards. The closest switch I could compare it too are Cherry reds.

>>57705987
But red is linear, these have some feedback dont they

or is it just unnoticeable?
maybe if I got thicker keycaps?

>>57705895
Its hard to explain. But in a normal membrane keyboard when the rubber dome collapses you feel a sudden change in force just before you bottom out. In topres on the other hand you do feel a change in force, but its completely smooth all the way down. The mushiness of rubber domes is gone, but if you have a lighter switch you may not feel the shift and instead compare it more to a cherry red.

>>57705987

>opinions

It's not an """opinion""" that the rubber buckles when it's pressed down

>>57706019
>But red is linear
Yes that's why I said it's the closest feeling to Topre.

Honestly the best advice I can give you is ignore anyone saying Topre switches feel like rubber domes in anyway other than how they bottom out.

>>57705987
Are you using 35g topre clones? I know that 55g Topre is hard to come by, but their is most definitely some tactile feedback.

>>57706082
shit
I got a good deal on a Topre but its 45g


If I put PBT keycaps would it help with the tactility?

Should I get v60 or pok3r with no back lighting?

>>57706110
I don't think so. You see the actuation point cannot be felt because of the nature of rubberdomes. There is also almost no resistance once the dome collapses making it really hard to not bottom out

>>57705090
I type faster and more comfortably with flat profile keys than standard profile, does that count?

>>57706086
Realforce 45g
>>57706110
The ABS vs PBT is preference. As long as they're high quality both are good.

>>57706164
>You see the actuation point cannot be felt because of the nature of rubberdomes.
You can because rubber domes need to be bottomed out.

Topre not using rubber domes do not.

>>57706159
pok3r has limited programmability, PBT keycaps, and a metal case, albeit its spray painted so it can ship off. v60 is not programmable, has ABS keycaps, and is made from plastic

Got my 610 mechanical MX Browns today, /g/.

Very nice.

>>57705494
$300 keyboard
Woooo buddy

>>57706252
>$300 keyboard
its only $180+shipping. Where did you find that price?

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threadly reminder the best keyboard ever made uses rubber dome technology.

>>57706214
hold on let me rephrase that. In topres you can feel the tactile feedback at the top when the dome colapses. However the actual actuation of the switch happens due to a 5g spring at the bottom. Since this spring is capacitive you can have varying distances of when the actuation point happens. This means that if you set it low enough you can't feel the actuation point since the dome has already collapsed.

>>57706219
the v60 costs like $40 less senpai

>>57706303
I don't feel this tactile feedback people are talking about. If it's there it's very small to the point of not being able to tell.

>Budget
100-130
>Location (continent at least)
America?
>Preferred switch type
Brown (tfw i like razer green)
>Layout
Standard American keyboard
>Form factor
80% pref
>Backlight
White Pref. Blue meh, Red ugh, RGB last resort
>Previous/current keyboards
Logitech g110

Currently looking at:
max tkl
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P2C7OHS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1NOKS4V778KSL

corsair k65 Lux/rgb/k70 Lux/strafe non rgb/RGB (RGB cause of white) I like corsair for the styles, if only they had the k70 Blue with brown switches

GMMK Modular ($70 "sale" price)

CM storm Rapid I (currently out of stock but not really fond of it)

Razer Blackwidow X TE (open box @ amazon for 80 something)

>>57706324
and it has less features. If you don't care about build quality, and a programmable keyboard, then just get an rk61 for 60 bucks

>>57706345
>tfw i like razer green
If you like Razer greens then why not get the switch that they are based off. You do know that razer greens are just re branded Kailh blue, which are just Chinese knock offs of Cherry Blues.

If you want a Rosewill rk9000v2 keyboard with cherry MX blues is still on sale for 60 bucks at amazon

>>57706422
oh i thought they were morelike browns then i dont want the razer green then rip

>>57706370
They all have the same build quality its just he poker has a metal case but its not like the metal matters at all when typing also the programmable keys are a fucking gimmick and can be software mapped on your computer

>>57706456
After using PBT keycaps I can no longer go back to ABS. Also software programming is very janky, but if $40 is really that important to you then go for the v60. It has more options and I'd recommend you go for the one with matias qc switches

>>57704649
I would like to have that keyboard.

>>57705531
No I typed it with my f keys

>>57706422
razer switched to Gateron like das

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>>57705800
Nope. You can't even press them down. You just touch the keycaps and an internal microphone emits a "thock".

Not a "thock" sound, it's an actual human voice that says "thock".

That's how much of a meme topre is.

>>57706748
just like the new apple keyboard

>>57706748
Thats a pretty rubber dome keyboard fampai

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>>57707089
It sure is.

Kind of a shame that I barely use it anymore.

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>mfw waiting for my new keyboard in the mail

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New Unicomp Model M. All other contemporary keyboards are inferior.

>>57707187
except model Fs are still being made today

>>57707187
except the mode Ms are loud and heavy and shit

>>57707224
Which manufacturer? I had one but left it at my parents before moving out and they got rid of it :'(

>>57707243
still better than all the cherry shit made today

>>57707187
How are Unicomps right now in terms of quality compared to finding a nice original IBM?
>>57707224
The retard that's charging like $1000 for them you mean? I thought he just refurbishes.

>>57707243
>loud
>heavy
"inferior"

>>57707264
>The retard that's charging like $1000 for them you mean?
Funny thing is that when the model F first came out it cost $1000 in today's money. The new model Fs use better materials then the originals, and cost less then half as much at around $350-400.

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>>57707264
The surrounding plastic is not as solid as the old model Ms, however they kept the metal backplate, and kept the key thickness and buckling springs exactly the same as the old model M's. Typing experience is exactly the same. This one was made a month ago (sorry the date sticker is not in the picture).

>>57707264
This is a very good video review, but he is wrong about the keycaps. The cheaper ones use 1 piece, while the expensive ones are two pieces like the original.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A-vRZth7SI

>>57707303
Can I get a link?
>>57707306
That's good to hear. I kinda want one just to have.

>>57706748
thats some Apple Force touch shit right there

>>57707388
no joke apples getting people used to less and less travel with their keys and slowly replacing the keyboard with a touch screen

>>57707345
One other thing I disagree about that review, is when he compares the sound pitch of the 1985 model M. He is comparing a brand new one vs one that is used. The buckling springs will not be in the same condition and so pitch will probably differ.

>>57705800
there is a tactile bump at the top of the stroke
then the resistance is kind of flat unlike Cherry MX

>>57707155
what is it's replacement?
>>57707388
>>57707419
other than comfort, wouldn't that allow people to type faster

>>57707737
You can feel the home row and have to look at the keys when typing

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good night /mkg/

>>57709494
night faggot with your meme keyboard

tfw still havent decided on what keyboard to get for "black Friday" probabaly will end up gettin a k70 lux desu cause i cant decide :|

>>57709839
get a pok3r

is the Cherry or OEM profile closer to the profile on the HHKB?

>>57710519
Similar height to OEM, but isn't actually the same.

https://www.keychatter.com/keycaps/#profiles

>>57705800

You can sort of feel the dome cave in near the top of the stroke and then you just drop straight down to the bottom. The bottom-out is pretty harsh even with the rubber because there's zero resistance after the dome caves, and is why the thock is so audible.

>>57705987

I was initially interested in Topres, admittedly in no small part because of how hard they're memed and thinking that price=quality, but I actually hated them after trying a Realforce board in a store. The collapsing dome and bottom-out is everything I despise about shitty dome boards and I guess I thought Topres were somehow different but they're not.

They're definitely way smoother and nicer than a typical rubberdome, but they're not for me.

>>57710519
My $10 rubber dome from costco is the closest to HHKB

>>57710590
glad you were able to find something satisfying at a low cost
price is not quality after all

>>57707187
>All that blunting from mold wear

Any bets on how much longer Unicomp's tooling will last?

just bought hermes 7 color with kailh black sw , how bad my decision ? in my location its cheaper then logitech g710

>>57710627
>blunting
You mean what looks like sprue marks on the sides of the F-key holes?

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>>57710578
>zero resistance after the dome caves
there is no increase in resistance
pic from EK's page on the Topre Memeboard

>>57710666
>line barely deviates by 10 cN or around 10 grams.
That's not even linear, That's close to flat. Explains why Topre switches feel as smooth as they do.

>>57710621
Im more surprised people spend so much on rubber domes

>>57710666
wow the smoothness of those curves almost makes me want to buy a topre

it's so much nicer than the straight line of linears or having the little jag from tactiles

>>57705555
b-b-but muh capacitive buckling springs! They use an actuating foot coated in conductive carbon.

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this world needs more ergonomic ortholinear split keyboards and decent layouts.
What is there other than
Ergodox
Maltron
Kinesis
keyboardio
(Data hands)

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>>57712622
This. Eventually™

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Check this shit out- I think they're Futaba Complicated Linears

>>57712636
looks like crocs

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>>57712636
Is this like an actually realizable concept? Do you think this will be like an ergodox one day where you can just buy the parts for <200 $ and assemble/build it or straight up get one by a manufacturer?
Is there a working prototype or plans?

Mechanical keyboards are real neat and feel nice to use and all, but if you live with other people and use one, you are indisputably an asshole. It's like listening to someone run their hands over cellophane for hours on end.

>>57712731
Just read the thread on deskthority. The dude already has some column prototypes and the controller board.

https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-a-custom-topre-board-t11734.html

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>>57712735

>mfw I live by myself and go takatakataka all day

>mfw home away from my hhkb for 5 days
fuck, I didn't think I'd miss it so much. how can no other switch compare to "ruber domes"

>Budget
Functionally unlimited
>Location (continent at least)
UK
>Preferred switch type
Brown or Clear
>Layout
ISO
>Form factor
80% (With media keys ideally)
>Backlight
God no
>Previous/current keyboards
A bunch of garbage


Can anyone also recommend a keycap seller in the UK? I'd like to buy some keycaps to go alongside my purchase.

Any keyboards with Unicode symbols?

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>>57712746
That seems like it would be crazy expensive to make because of the topre switches.

>>57712970
Those chink topre clone boards are what, $100 now? They even come with MX compatible stems.

>>57712838
>Any keyboards with Unicode symbols?
All of them if you hit shift ctrl u on *nix

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Corsair K65 Cherry Reds for $50
Worth getting? Or should I hang onto my wireless rubber some keyboard/mouse combo?

>>57712987
I mean a dedicated keyboard/pad that has actual Unicode symbols on it. I use them often enough that having one besides my regular keyboard would save time.

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>>57704337

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>>57713038
Any programmable one.
>>57712984
Yeah, but you still need the electronics for it. You can't just cut out an old pcb can you?

>>57713064
The guy got PCBs for individual Topre switches made. Try reading the thread.

>>57713092
That is what i mean. You need one per switch. Which probably makes the pricing ridiculous.

>>57713117
Shouldn't be expensive for tiny PCBs, especially since it'd be ordered in bulk. It doesn't need to be 2mm thick, or have 3oz copper. in the geekhack thread someone suggested flex PCBs, which would be $30 per keyboard (assuming a 1000 pcb order).

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>>57713022
I'm convinced this is a great deal, I just want to know, do I really want a mechanical keyboard at all?

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>>57713154
Corsair still sucks.
>>57713146
Well that would be okayish considering the pcbs for an ergodox are 15-25€ too. I am still a bit worried about the switch plates/holders/casing but in bulk it could be fine.

>>57713191
why are they all shit

>>57713191
But cherry keys are good right? And it's made of metal, what could possibly go wrong?

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Happy hacking keyboard

More like BEST keyboard

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>>57707737
TADA68 with gateron clears

I just bought a MagicForce 68, should I kill myself?

>>57710663

That and the edges of pretty much everything are getting fuzzy.

>>57705555

So exposed membrane and rubber dome over sandwiched membrane are mechanical?

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>>57712735

I didn't understand a word you just wrote, friendo.

>>57713535
yes

I've got 200AUD and wanna buy a cute keyboard to make my bf jealous?
Is the poker 3 my best choice?

>>57713938
For about $20 more you could get the ultra cute Filco Minila Air

https://mechkb.com/filco-majestouch-minila-air-wireless-compact-mechanical-keyboard

>>57713965
that is pretty cute but it'd be cuter without that bevel.

Does anyone remember the website that made custom keyboards in Europe. I believe that their were based in poland.They had those 60% keyboards and the ergonomic ones

>>57714484
falbatech.pl
i used their site for my dox.

what's a good website to buy keycaps that ships to EU?

>Budget
100€
>Location (continent at least)
Spain (Eu)
>Preferred switch type
Black/Red
>Layout
Ansi
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
An orange one or rgb
>Previous/current keyboards
A shitty logitech one wich is rekt

hhkb pro 2 second hand for 130usd? Basically new, cant see any wear.

dont really need a new keyboard but it seems like a good deal

>>57714573
Excellent deal if legit.

Sounds fishy

>>57714674
nah I know the guy, used the keyboard briefly, he's just got a few of them is all.

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What make the HHKB such an iconic board?
I'm in the market for a topre board and I am not totally decided between a TKL realforce and a HHKB.
The interest I had on the HHKB was the location of the ctrl key but I guess I'd feel cripple in the long run
>have to choose between backspace and delete
>no function keys
>no arrow keys

Just writing this post I feel the buyer's remorse should I choose a HHKB but I'm weak against /g/ memes.

Why so few people shill realforces?

>>57714709
im looking at it too, but you dont lose functions keyts or the other keys you mentioned, you just have to hit function to use them.

im sure you'd get used to it quickly, and theyre all keys used less than the others, for me at least. just placing my hand roughly in the position to hit fn on the hhkb as well as its arrow keys it seems easier than moving my hand to the arrow keys on my current fullsize kb. ymmv

where do i buy cute coiled cables?

>>57707176
literally the exact same post was posted the last two threads

>>57714779
I press function keys pretty often (like f5 to run matlab scripts) so I fear taking the habit of using a fn key for that would be a pain in the neck.
Even more painful is the lack of arrow keys. I took the habit of writing open and close parenthesis/quote/bracket at first and then go in the middle of them with an arrow key and then write the content.(maybe I should try to get them to close automatically as I write the first symbol but I have no such thing in my vimrc yet) Same for the shell / matlab console history : I have the habit to use the up arrow key for that.

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>>57714709
>What make the HHKB such an iconic board?
The price, aesthetics and sound. The whole experience of it.

And the fact that the italian bro and me shilled it relentlessly around here.

>>57714802
http://pexonpcs.co.uk/ - UK
https://www.keyclack.com/ - US

fuck mechanical keyboard honestly

ive always wanted to buy the Leopold FC750R Black PBT Mechanical (Red Cherry MX) keyboard but its fucking 114$ which i can shill out but another 60$ for shipping

legit what the fuck and WASD is even worse

fuck this mang

ill die with my 10 euro genius keyboard for shit

>>57714546
>Cooler Master Masterkeys PRO L
http://www.cmstore.eu/black-friday/cooler-master-masterkeys-pro-l-white-led/
107€ shipping included, but only white led and cherry brown

>Cooler Master Masterkeys PRO L RGB - Crystal Edition
http://www.cmstore.eu/black-friday/masterkeys-pro-l-rgb-crystal-edition-us-international-layout/
135€ free shipping I think is the cheapest you can get for what you're asking.

The prices last till tomorrow

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THICC

Will I be better at programming if I buy an expensive keyboard?

>>57714709
Richard Stallman has been an HHKB user since 1997, and he is /ourguy/

>>57715160
Then just get a chinese keyboard like magiforce for 40 bucks. If you want it with cherry switches then its an extra 20

>>57715318
Ughh
THICKER!!!

>>57715339
Depends. If you utilize function layer maping and macros regurally, then yes you'd become a faster and better. If you dont want to then its just an expensive meme

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>>57713050

>>57715349
1)He does not have the topre one.
2) "/ourguy/" would be Terry A. Davis

What are some interesting keycap sets, i'm bored and want something new for my pok3r.

No gay shit.

>>57715791
Wait for yuri GMK, or oblivion SA. If you don't mind a uniform profile there are the devlin skidata doubleshots on ukkeycaps, or XDA milestone.

>>57712970
The case also looks really complicated
It would be difficult ot machine
>>57714709
>What make the HHKB such an iconic board?
its layout, probably
Deskthority really likes Realforces and I want to try one out as a HHKB user but want to wait until I can put aftermarket keycaps on it
>>57714802
>>57714982
PexonPCs ships to the United States I believe

>>57716298
>It would be difficult ot machine
It's just a laser cut plate that's then bent on a pressbrake. Nothing that difficult.

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>>57714709
>What make the HHKB such an iconic board?
Aesthetics and high price.

I will never go back.

>>57716415
Why do the spacebars on these look so fucked up, that looks really uncomfortable

>>57716298
they do, but it takes weeks.

all i was saying is that they are UK based.

>>57716298
>until I can put aftermarket keycaps on it
You can now.

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>>57716498
I flipped it

>>57716498
Flipping the spacebar like that actually makes it more comfortable.

>>57710017
it looks nice esp the one in mass drop but Im not a fan of 60% for factor its too small. BUT I am considering it since its so sexy

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>>57716581
you can get it for the memes points if you are too poor to afford a HHKB

>>57716549
It just looks like it'd be kind of painful after a while to press the top key edge with my thumb over and over

>>57716608
I was skeptical at first, too. Try it and you'll never go back.

how does /mkg/ feel about the Soon(tm) to come RoG Claymore? Yeah yeah RoG shit expensive i agree. But not considering the RoG brand, anyone interested for it? I think the Msrp is 160-170 for the Core(tkl) and the one with numpad removable comes a bit later(I THINK).

Another removable numpad i saw was the Thunder k7, is that any good?

>>57716581
pok3r is pretty gr8

what's holding you back with 60%? every key is there with function keys, the only thing you lose access to is the numpad which is admittedly a slight inconvenience but shouldn't matter much unless you do data entry or something.

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>>57716608
most modern keyboards come like that out of the box anyway. I like it since the flat side is parallel to my thumb

>>57716581
the pok3r is programmable so any key that you miss you can just program it back where you want

>>57716628
>>57716641
I dont know i was just never that attracted to the 60% form factor. It's not like i use the arow keys alot or anything. I have vienna saussage hands and i think i'll just stumble around. I dunno meng I've never used a mechanical before still on my logitech g110 but I have been readin amazing stuff about pok3r. If by tom i cant decide still i'll higly consider

>>57716549
>>57716613
>i don't know how to type properly so i purposefully handicap myself
space bars are standardized for a reason friendo

>>57716504
I bought a cord from them in 2014 and it didn't take more than a month.
I think it was a few weeks though.
>>57716519
I want thick blank and Topre's Realforce keycaps are out of production. I just want sliders with MX stems.

>>57716630
>that keyboard
Thanks doc

I got an Anne Pro, did I fuck up?

Red or Brown cherry? cant fucking decide

>>57715366
are they any good? where can i purchase them?

>>57717153
neither, get gaterons

>>57717289
Magiforce is one of the better chink boards out there. You can find the cheap ones on amazon or ebay. If you want the better ones then go to >>>/g/csg
Occasionally some one decides to organize a group buy on massdrop, where they submit a bunch of orders to china, then ship them out.

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>>57717334
there is a massdrop going on but its white and everything on my pc is black with a little bit of red in it

not sure if this is any good anyway

>>57716804
Please provide source for the spacebar orientation standard. I want to be sure my keyboard is compliant in case other users choose to extend it.

Which manufacturer made the switches in the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2016 edition?
Kailh or Greetech?

>Budget
$120 max
>Location (continent at least)
United State, East Coast
>Preferred switch type
Brown or Clear
>Layout
Standard American keyboard
>Form factor
100%, but I'm open to 80%
>Backlight
Any color but red
>Previous/current keyboards
CM Storm QuickFire Rapid
Microsoft SideWinder X4

Any help is appreciated.

>>57716630
I don't know dog, maybe it's because I have small hands but my thumbs are already comfortably on the flat side of the spacebar. I feel like I would have to twist my thumbs upwards just to use it.

Never seen a keyboard come like that.

So between mx red or brown, what do I want?

I don't have the option for clears or gateron, only mx red or brown.

I currently own a keyboard with red. They're fine, I hate typing on them when I have to write something up but for general use it's fine.

How do browns feel to type on? I have a key tester but it's impossible to know the feel of typing from just pressing a single key. I know a lot of people in "gaming" communities shit on browns but I didn't know if there was a reason or if it was just hipster meme bullshit

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>>57717422
here you go anon, saved you some searches :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEuuNZXwCjg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_zfcHlisqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S3lhm8LaZo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXsutlz0GIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvQBfORSpkE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRdIEO6WA0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iBYLkaiqnA

http://pao.bplaced.net/app/type/
https://10fastfingers.com/typing-test/english
http://www.keybr.com/practice
http://play.typeracer.com/

>>57717632
Ducky has some options in your price point
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/search.php?keyword=&brand=1&switch=2&size=&led=&capmat=&capprint=&model=&availability=in_stock_pre&show_kb=off&show_kb=on&show_acc=off

>>57717643
i thought every1 liked browns?

>>57717870
people who have tried other switches do not like browns

>>57717870
what does that have to do with the positioning of the space bar?
Amway don't like browns because they aren't tactile enough. Thats it.

>>57717760
you forgot
https://www.nitrotype.com/

so iw as thinking of getting these
https://www.amazon.com/Team-Wolf-Swappable-Mechanical-Keyboard-Blue/dp/B01AFBJQA8

can you we buy LED cherry switches?

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I got reds and, while I enjoy them, I don't think they're perfect for me. The lack of tactile feedback is kinda weird desu.

Should I get a tomoko to try out the blues? I also think I'd like one with a backlight this time, typing in my room instead of the office made me realize that I type in the dark more often than I thought. Any cheap (tomoko cheap or around that price) recommendations?

Protip: everyone who buys reds or brown regrets it.

damn this thread is dead

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>>57718833
"artisan" keycaps soon

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>>57718833
Fine I'll start a discussion if you want.

Ahem...

>Topre
>Mechanical
Some people actually paid $300 for over priced rubberdomes, pic related.

You happy now anon?

Anywhere to buy small sets of keycaps for cheap, to europe? I'd like to replace the F-keys on my Poker 2. Don't feel like spending money on a whole full size set for it.

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>>57718807

this is me
>>57718281

And I'm really on the fence about buying blues. They might be too loud. I know I could buy o-rings, but that's an extra cost. Is it that cost worth it for the blues?

Also, I really get fucked with the US layout because if I change to my own layout I have no way of typing the "greater" and "less than" symbols (meme arrows). I still have not found a good solution to this other than just using US and loosing all my language's symbols (which is a no go).

Can I reprogram a single switch to register a different value? If I could, I would turn the left switch into a single key and the remaining key could be used for those two values (exactly as happens on my default layout)

>>57718978
Oh, change to nordic/swedish F-keys, that is.

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>>57719005
I know Ducky Nordic used to sell key caps. But that was back in march of this year. I wonder if demand was too low, or if its more of a custom order. Anyway why not give them a try!

>>57718984
by the way, would love some feedback on this one, aside from the tomoko. I know, buy cheap get cheap, but I'm still getting into the mechanical meme.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MechanicalEagle-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-Switches/dp/B01I1N6N3U/ref=sr_1_97?ie=UTF8&qid=1480271878&sr=8-97-spons&keywords=keyboard+brown+switches&psc=1

>>57718887
Are them mechanical? 50/50, springs count as mechanical parts, but if you want we can say no, they're not mechs.
Do they feel good? They fucking do. I'll always prefer mechanical heavy clicky switches, but Topre feel so fucking good

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>>57718984
what language are you using? You can use things like auto hotkey to change it so that you can use your languages symbols

>>57718984
You are very stupid or don't do research (which is stupid)

Otherwise you would know o-rings do NOTHING for mx blues noise since the click is on actuation, not bottom out.

>>57719040
I think most resellers got their stuff from Teraset, which doesn't sell outside of Finland anymore. Anyway, there's this set:
http://www.maxgaming.se/keycaps/ducky/s4-keycap-109-set-white

I kind of want to keep the rest of the keys though, for the FN-layer. Honestly, I'll probably just end up buying a new full size keyboard instead... If I could get a nice Ducky one white/dyesub for somewhat cheap.

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>>57719068
PT Layout. See that tiny shift and the key imediately to the right? that's my issue.

>>57719090
I've always heard on reviews and even on this general that o-rings work for muffling the blue click. Guess I was wrong, thanks.

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>>57719126
posted wrong image, fuck

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>>57719090
You see the problem here is that the sound of bottoming out is louder then the actuating mechanism of the switch. O-rings do indeed make a difference

>>57719141
People around you (and myself after a while when I used them) hate the click, not the thud.

Yes bottoming out makes a noise but it's the same for any cherry switch, given you hit them with the same strength

Although one could argue that the point of blue is not bottoming out since the click makes you notice when you can stop

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>>57704337
I know its a mechianical keyboard thread but...

do you know any cheap non mechanical keyboard with 60%-80% of normal size and without numerical pad?

I do not mind short jump like in cheap netbook keyboards

>>57719194
>My opinions are fact
Not everyone feels the same way about blues as you. Shocking isn't it!

>>57719224
if you want to buy from the Chinese then you have a couple of options like
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-K3M-84-Keys-Black-USB-Wired-Gaming-Keyboard-With-Water-Leakage-Design-For-Home/32738492305.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.258.HW3Eoq&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10065_10068_10000007_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10078_10079_10073_10097_10100_10096_10070_10052_10050_10051_424,searchweb201603_8&btsid=406361f9-da38-46e1-ad65-ac4979499acf

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Portable-Mini-85Keys-Travel-USB-2-0-Flexible-Foldable-Silicone-Keyboard-for-Computer-PC-for-PC/32717713520.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.114.zcL1Y1&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10065_10068_10000007_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10078_10079_10073_10097_10100_10096_10070_10052_10050_10051_424,searchweb201603_8&btsid=327b0c63-8758-4814-8be0-3a9cceef0343

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Slim-Aluminium-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-For-iPhone-Computer-PC/32758025702.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.383.fRJR2H&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10065_10068_10000007_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10078_10079_10073_10097_10100_10096_10070_10052_10050_10051_424,searchweb201603_8&btsid=4ba9801b-1a65-496d-87ad-4c841da5ad6c

Anyone got a Leopold FC980C yet?

>>57719467
nope

>have a fucked typing technique
>use pointers for almost all keys except for maybe 12 or so keys
>typed like this for so many years despite knowing that it's horrible habit (and no, it didn't develop out of pecking)
>can still type 100-120 wpm
Does anyone know this feel?

>>57719539
>he cannot type with 400 wpm
>he doesnt have 6 hands
step it up

>>57719040
is that your wallet? it looks neat

>Budget
60$ because with shipping it will be 110$
>Location (continent at least)
Hungary
>Preferred switch type
Brown or Red but i type a lot too so rather Brown
>Form factor
80% TKL
>Backlight
doesnt matter if it has or not
>Previous/current keyboards
i rather not say, its not mechanical

Topre mx stems are 0.49$ on Aliexpress

If only I wasn't so scared of opening up my hhkb

>>57715502
that red enter key is a lovely addition...

>>57719800
give link now

>>57715502
Beautiful.
What board?

>>57719729
One of these?
Is shipping really that expensive in Europe?
https://www.caseking.de/peripherie/eingabegeraete/tastaturen/kabelgebunden

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>>57719820
Here you go

Topre to MX adapter Topre change into MX switch
http://s.aliexpress.com/ZNzqmaEJ
(from AliExpress Android)

t. Itabro

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>>57719848
>t. Itabro
and a true bro you are

cheers mate, now I just have to find some memecaps to go with it

>>57719892
>Not ordering 65 Nerv metal caps

Are you even trying?

>>57719823
It could be a Ducky One TKL. I know the key caps are these https://www.originativeco.com/products/modern-beige?variant=18906335365

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>>57719907
Heh, I was actually thinking of getting one of those for the esc key some time ago.

I could 3D print some, but that'd defeat the point of getting mx-compatible sliders.

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>>57719914
>Delayed

I am not even surprised anymore

This whole hobby is a farce, I am glad I am out

In my ordeal with keyboard layouts, I have discovered how rarely I can find cheap keyboards with UK layout.

Any recs?

>>57719985
You better start liking ansi if you want into this hobby.

>>57720023
I wouldn't mind using different keys. Missing keys is the real problem.

>>57719958
you completely missed out when this anon bit
/2gkLujR kept posting this every thread until he got his caps. Of course that>>57715502 keyboard is his I believe

>>57720050
Dude your stupid <> key is on the right side above enter

I am Italian it's the same

>>57719958
Your niche meme keyboard isn't mass produced? Wow what a surprise.

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>>57719985
buy more money

>>57720149
Nah m8, not the same. I wonder if italians use these symbols right above enter: +´~*`^

I'm gonna have to make a custom layout for windows.

>>57720175
I'm still trying out different kinds of keyboard. When I find my end game, I'll probably buy something actually good.

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Whats the biggest meme board out there?

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>>57720220
The one that drives the most people mad

so this is basically the thread for rich people to show off their stuff

duly noted

bye

>>57720220
IBMeme model f.

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>>57720261
thats not the fedora of keyboards

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>>57720275
that's /bst/ you're thinking of

this is the thread for rich autists

>>57720261
It looks like a kid's first keyboard.

>>57720275
you can get mechanical keyboards for 20-30 bucks.

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>>57720305
No because this is

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>>57720305

>>57720309

show me one decent looking TKL decent looking blank mechanical keyboard for 20-30 bucks please then

>>57720325
That's the 5 and under edition.
>>57720261
Is the xXxSephiroth98edgelordxXx edition..

>>57720344
>that spacing and small size
How do you even type on that fucking thing?

>>57720345
tomoko is $33

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>>57720359
How many fn layers are you on?

You are like a baby

>>57720275
Well, yeah, but why are you so bitter? If you need help just ask for help. I'm a poorfag and I just have 1 cheap chink keyboard. Not trying to get into the hobby, just trying to get the best keyboard for myself.

>>57720377
Your memes are going to far.

>>57720371
thats not 20-30
>>57720379
cheap keyboards are shit not to mention look like shit

Any black friday sales for 60% keyboards worth getting?

>>57720401
>cheap keyboards are shit not to mention look like shit

They're not that bad, desu. I have a lolita spyder and yeah, you can feel it's cheaper, but right now it's better than all the rubberdomes I've used before. And it actually looks good.

If you don't have the money for this hobby just try to earn more. I wouldn't spend hundreds of dollars on keyboards and keycaps, but hey, to each its own.

>>57720275
you don't have to be so hostile. Yes rich people exist, but you can get cheap mechanical keyboards.
Magiforce, Royal Kludge, Kuiha, and Tomoko all make nice mechanical keyboards for 60 bucks and under. Of course if you want features like program ability, Bluetooth then costs extra.

Just use the template and we will find the best options available

>>57714833
he's still waiting for his keyboard famo

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>>57720388
>Your memes are going to far.

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>>57720469

>>57720469
ok, actually kekd

>>57713191

Ultimate Austism

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>>57720401
What triggered you this morning?

>>57720452
none of those are below 60, most of them are 70+
>>57720506
nothing this is nothing but circlejerk
>>57720449
i just wanted a keyboard not a hobby

>>57714924
holy shit dead leaves!!!! ive seen this battlestation before and never noticed the dead leaves. thats the show that started me on anime.

but i must say if you buy something called the "happy hacker keyboard" then it instantly becomes nearly impossible for anybody to take you seriously.

>>57720534
>none of those are below 60
these are 60 bucks
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=359
also use the coupon code: Kaihua25 for an extra 25% off

You get a backlight and doubleshot keycaps

>>57720534
>nothing this is nothing but circlejerk

I kinda agree, but as long as people help newcomers choose their keyboards, I don't judge them. There's nothing worse than a closed off, elitist circle jerk.

If you just want a keyboard, you and I are on the same boat. Figure out what your preffered switch is and buy a cheap mechanical. There are no miracles. Go eat something, jerk off, watch some anime.. relax man.

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>>57720572
>but i must say if you buy something called the "happy hacker keyboard" then it instantly becomes nearly impossible for anybody to take you seriously.

Top kek I use a hhkb at work and literally worked for the United Nations and everybody respects me for it
(>Mfw nobody can blind type)

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>>57720572
>then it instantly becomes nearly impossible for anybody to take you seriously
Don't worry, I don't take myself seriously either

>>57720643
>everybody respects me for it

>gaining respect for the keyboard you use

kek

>>57720581
you do realize its a fortune to get it shipping to europe right?

>>57716613

I tried it. I didn't like it

>>57720643
that weebshit hi pro looks soo good but i can't take how some of the modifiers don't match

was there ever an ANSI hi pro?

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>>57720452

>>57720643
Did you buy a realforce high profile just for the keys?

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>>57720762
>Did you buy a realforce high profile just for the keys?

I did worse

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>>57719057
any opinion on this one?

>>57720783
what the actual fuck
someone spent $700 on a lego piece for their keyboard

>>57720783
nah you didn't

>>57720783
There are better ways to be special snowflake.

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>this kills the poorfag

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>Budget
Money is not an issue. Richfag here
>Location (continent at least)
US
>Preferred switch type
No clue but easiest to press
>Layout
TKL
>Form factor
aesthetically good looking, minimalist, matches with iMac/Apple design theme
>Backlight
don't care
>Previous/current keyboards
Default iMac Keyboard

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>>57720860
Gotcha covered lad

>>57720877
Does everyone on here own those meme keyboards?

>>57720888
>post 2007 /g/
This is tablet baby central now, next to reddit.

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>>57720877
Thanks but it looks pretty cluttered desu senpai

>>57720344
that is kawaii af my nigga

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>>57720920
>Cluttered
Go blank like me then

>>57707187

Honestly I can't even believe how much better mine is than any of the Cherry switches.

I wish someone had told me that buckling springs make all bother mechanical switches look like hot steaming garbage by comparison BEFORE i'd gone through Cherry reds, brown and clears.

>>57720981
I like this but why is the bottom left and the right corner empty without keys. What's the logic here? I need to have Ctrl ^, Alt ⌥ and Command ⌘ key before Space but it only has two keys. I don't get it senpai?

>>57721089
control replaces capslock.

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>>57721137
Hmm

Are there similar TKL keyboards that's not HHK?

>>57720989
Do you like your buckling springs lubed or un-lubed? they feel like two different switches

>>57721169
I like to lube it with my cum

>>57712636
this looks like it might give me hand cramps

>>57721164
if you're seriously looking into topre switches, realforce has a TKL. there's also leopold

>>57716630
buzz lightyear

>>57719139

At what point in your life would you need the currency symbol from The Sims?

>>57721277
I'm talking about the meme arrows <>

I've solved it by making a custom keyboard layout for windows. Since only that key is missing, it was pretty easy.

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I'm thinking about CM Storm Quickfire XT with blue switches. Is it good idea? This keyboard is cheapest thing with blue switches i can find in my region - and since i want it exclusively for writing, i guess blue switches are the best ones (or am i wrong?). I kinda hate keycap font, but maybe i'll replace it with something different later, if possible.

>>57721277
§y§o§u§ §m§e§a§n§ §y§o§u§ §d§o§n§'§t§ §u§s§e§ §i§t§?§

>>57721397
Ok

All cherry are bad for typing btw

>>57721397
pretty good if you're adamant on full-size, and it's got a standard layout so you can replace the keycaps since yeah they're not very good

>>57721397
the build isn't great imo imagine the free keyboards you get when you buy a new computer but they have blue switches instead.

>>57721425
cherry reds are the best switch for typing u lil shit

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>>57705296
actually a big improvement for him, lel

>>57721425
wait what
like, "cherries are bad for typing, check out this $999 switch", or "cherries are bad for typing, stick to membrane"?

>>57721439
Is it seriously this bad? I mean, it weights one kilogram (or so i've seen), it has to have at least some metal inside. Sturdiness is kinda important for me, i have old IBM clone with AT keyboard (so i can't connect it passively to PS/2) and i love how heavyweight it is.

>>57721448
>>57721511

Most efficient: scissors switch

Most comfy: topre

Most satisfying: buckling spring

>>57721581

>opinion

>opinion

>opinion

>>57721581
topres are rubber domes with springs fampai

>>57721646
I know I type on them 10 hours a day

>>57719224
K65 is $50 right now
>>57713022

>>57721581
>>57721644

That buckling springs > God might be an opinion, but it's the correct opinion. All other switches a shit.

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TADA68 ISO when?

>>57721949
ISO is a shit layout

>>57721849
they got phased out for a reason they sound like shit and are hard to actuate

>>57717391
damn, that looks good, but fucking 17€ for shipping is bullshit.

>>57722035
Thats how all massdrop stuff goes the shipping and tax negates the discount and you might as well buy off of amazon or mechanicalkeyboards.com

NEW THREAD

>>57722120

>>57722120

>>57722120

>>57704881

Keycaps are going up in price.

The Fugu artisan originally sold for $25 a pop. Now it is up to $45.

Grab bags were originallu $30, now up to $50. Ghe great thing about the grab bags are that they are literally trash.

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>mfw got a good deal on a barebones Novatouch

Im finally ascending to the Topre meme, what am I in for?

Also what are the best keycaps for these types of switches?

>>57722742
thicc pbt