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Hey qtpis, reserved
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>>57579989
>My OC makes the OP
Made my day, OP.
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I'll start with a question, Im deploying FreeIPA on a VPS.

I have a domain name, what's the best DNS setup you think anons (I really don't fully grasp DNS).

FreeIPA configures its own bind server, but I would like it to be resolvable without configuring dns on the clients.

Tl:Dr how do I make my domain name publicly resolvable with bind?

Tyty
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What's good virtual machine emulator for linux?
Qemu or VB?
I need to boot ISOs/ and boot from USB flash drives to test something.
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>>57579989
I'd just like to interject for a moment. You appear to be using an element from this image in your post: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Richard_Stallman_by_Anders_Brenna_01.jpg
You may have done this accidentally, but you've violated the terms of its copyright license. This is a serious offence and I hope you take it as seriously as it deserves.
Not to say that you're not allowed to create derived works from this image, you are, but this picture is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Norway license. Therefor, you are free:

to share - to copy, distribute and transmit the work;
to remix - to adapt the work;

Under the following conditions:

attribution - You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).
share alike - If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one.

In this case, the attribution requirement is resolved simply by including the following in your post:

Anders Brenna [CC BY 3.0 no (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/no/deed.en)], via Wikimedia Commons

Now that you have read this, I hope you have a better understanding of your rights and obligations when remixing and sharing this work. They will let you edit, now be nice and credit~
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>>57580083
Just use KVM/qemu

Install "virt-viewer" to manage it with a typical gui, what distro anon?
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>>57579989
Asked last thread, got no reply, will try again.
I'm here because I don't want to kill another thread for this stupid fucking question.

Does anyone here use Solus?
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>>57580234
I'm using Manjaro.
But I'm trying to create ISO to burn to a DVD that contain a custom X-Tar Puppy linux, Hiren's boot CD.
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>test my stock clocks gtx 1070 in vga passthrough, hoping for at least 95% performance
>it gets the same score as an OC'd to shit ROG meme in a native environment
Fucking wew! VGA passthrough is magic!
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>>57580254
That sounds like a fucking pain in the ass. I'm not sure I understand

Make an image,
dd if=/dev/zero of=puppy.img bs=1M count=2048

Mount it,
Mount -o loop puppy.img /mnt

Copy contents into image,

Then use that image as the install media during virtual machine setup.

If you only need this purely for VM purposes, create the image as qcow2,

qemu-img create -f qcow2 puppy.img 3G
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>>57580186
Anders Brenna seems to be a huge faggot.
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>>57580325
>That sounds like a fucking pain in the ass
It is, I want to test it before burning it to DVD.
I can't believe windows have tools to make mutli booting while linux have none.
>dd if=/dev/zero of=puppy.img bs=1M count=2048
Will this create a 2 GB img file to dump the content of the DVD?

This is really giving me headache.
Form one side I don't want to install VBox on my machine and clutter things with files I'd probably use it once, and from the other hand I don't have enough RAM to run a Live session with Vbox.

Does the CD/DVD even needs MBR?
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>>57579989
Does she have nice tits?
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>>57580417
Apparently yes.
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>>57580413
>I can't believe windows have tools to make mutli booting while linux have none.
Because devs think all who uses linux have memorized the manual, and can program in at least 5 languages.
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>>57580413
No, it just creates a "container" then you move your modified Linux files into it. An image file in this context is just a rw image file, where as an ISO is read only.

like everything with Linux bootloaders have a much larger learning curve but once you figure it out, it's infinitely more flexible and useful than the Windows.
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Hello, friends.
I have a question regarding SFTP.
I would like to transfer a file/files to my friend on a different network over SFTP, but I do not want to expose my entire filesystem when doing this. How can I best do this?
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>>57580624
Where do I learn this this?
I've created the custom X-Tar puppy linux ISO, by dd the USB flash drive, along with it's puppy_save.sfs.
Hiren's doesn't need configuration.
I know I need Grub2, to boot up the ISOs, and configure grub.cfg but where do I find that specific knowledge?
I tried asking in different IRC, but just got called another distro creating hobbyist.
>>57580739
https://bensmann.no/restrict-sftp-users-to-home-folder/
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>>57580766
thank you for the SFTP respones :O)
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Any XFCE users here?
XFCE panel crash when opening any link that contain certain glyphs mostly emojis.
An idea how to fix t?
See this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJh32jipxwk
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mkisofs or genisoimage?
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So I have kubuntu up adn running adn have worked the major problems out I had. haven't really riced it at all Any neat stuff I could do that might not be obvious?
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So after looking around I found this
http://multicd.us/
While the hiren's CD Iso works flawlessly.
The X-Tahr puppy ISO doesn't maybe because I edited it, or because I copied it from USB flash drive.

Doesn't dd command copy everything as is?
So if I dd a USB flash dirve that contain a bootable puppy linux, that was installed according to this http://puppylinux.org/main/Puppy430-tutorial-English.pdf
To ISO then burn it to DVD, shouldn't it boot ?
>>57581111
https://www.linux.com/learn/how-use-kde-plasma-desktop-pro
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>>57580961
>XFCE panel
>link

What?
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>>57581159
Do you use XFCE?
Open the link and the xfce4-panel will crash, because of the heart glyph.
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:O
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>>57581140
Also there is no option to customize it.
Do I need to
mount -o loop multicd.iso
the customize the grub.cfg?
Or this will break it?
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>>57581183
Nothing. I use xubuntu. Version 4.12
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>>57581221
/g/ exposed
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>>57581231
What font do you use to render emoji/special characters?
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>>57581242
Noto sans.
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>>57580766
Firstly I have no knowledge of anything puppy specific, but in general you should create at least 2 partitions on your USB

Using # fdisk /dev/<usb>
Press "n", default, default, " +100M, "c" (this will create a 100mb legacy boot partition)
Press "n", default, default, default, default (this will create partition using the rest of the space on drive)

Format:
# mkfs.vfat /dev/<usb>1
# mkfs.ext4 /dev<usb>2

After that
# mkdir /mnt/usb
# mount /dev/<usb>2 /mnt/usb

You should now copy the rootfs of your puppy distro into /mnt/usb


# mv /mnt/usb/boot /mnt/usb/boot2
# mkdir /mnt/usb/boot
# mount /dev/<usb>1 /mnt/usb/boot
# cp -r /mnt/usb/boot2/* /mnt/usb/boot/
# rm -r /mnt/usb/boot2

This just moves /boot files onto the partition we made before.

Run:
# grub-install --target=i386-pc --debug --boot-directory=/mnt/usb/boot /dev/<usb>
# arch-chroot /mnt/usb/
# grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg

Make sure it finds a kernel + initrd
# exit

Wow I'm really autistic, but I hope that helps
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>>57581246
I have noto-fonts-emoji installed.
And use this to render emoji
https://github.com/eosrei/EmojiOne-Color-Font
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>>57581274
P.s, press "w" to write changes to disk during the fdisk command
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>>57581111
Nice digits.
>>57581221
Nice meme.
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>>57581311
>>57581221
Daily reminder.
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>>57581332
>name: #NoFunAllowed
I'm stupid.
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How do most Linux distros function at high DPI, specifically a 3440x1440 resolution?
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>>57581274
Thanks, but this is just the manual way of installing puppy linux.
What I want is for grub to boot ISO image instead, and two ISO images as well.
The issue is I need to manually set the kernel + initrd in grub.cfg.
And then create an ISO image.

Thanks anyway, BTW why arch-chroot?
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>>57581403
Depends on the DE/WM, It's usually supported
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>>57581522
Probably going to be using GNOME and i3 or Awesome
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>>57581403
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
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Is there a way to keep packages to minimum?
Basically I'm always testing new packages and those create files/install dependencies.
But when I'm done, I don't want them anymore, and I don't want to use the package manger since some of these are built from source.
Usually I just use Live USB session of customized distro, and when I done, I just restore the distro image to the USB.
But the whole process is such a hassle.
Are there better way?
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>>57581544
GNOME and i3 should work, no idea about Awesome.
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>>57580961

I think I saw someone else with the same problem. Check the Xfce bug tracker or the Arch forums, no idea where I saw it. Maybe even the Arch Reddit.
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>>57581522
>>57581403

It depends on the toolkit the programs are using. GTK3 and Qt5 should work okay with X. Apparently Wayland allows even better scaling (with things like 1.5).
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>>57581594

What's your end goal? Do you think that's funny or witty? Because it's not, other people have worn that joke out years before you doing it currently.
You don't make others use Linux "correctly", nor do you contribute to the hatred towards GNU. All you're doing is wasting precious 4chan megabytes and your posts should be reported.
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>>57581651
Yeah I checked, similar issue on the arch forums regarding Asian glyph was solved buy installing ttf-droid.
Didn't find anything on XFCE bug tracker.
The only identical issue was on manjaro forums from nearly a year now.
https://classicforum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=30407.0
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>>57581687
>precious 4chan megabytes
>precious
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>>57581608

Yes, build your own packages and use your package manager. It's exactly what it's made for, but you for some reason want to avoid it and use another worse solution or re-invent the wheel.
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>>57581608
Gentoo
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>>57581714
How/where to generate such pictures?
Also: is it possible to script this with imagemagick?
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>>57581714
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>>57581687
>precious 4chan megabytes
Tell this the speccy posters.
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>>57581720
>>57581724
You misunderstood me.
What I'm asking is there a way to NOT save up changes in my system?
Like how a live session works? and everything will be lost once the system boot off.
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why the heck does middleclick (on link) sometimes work and sometimes not, ff on arch (if it matters)
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>>57581803
Depends on the webpage.
If the link is actually JS button and not HTML it won't work.
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I'm running Gnome, and use another language layout beside English.
I want my shortcuts to work with the second language, and not only English. Do I have to set that manually?
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>>57581765

Maybe using filesystem snapshots.
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>>57581824
>filesystem snapshots
That would be great.
Unfortunately I'm not using brtfs or have enough time to restore full disk image.
I've tried Qemu but it wasn't what I was looking for.
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Is TOX good? Heard it's a /g/ project, now I'm scared.
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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?
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Is there a way to enable/disable persistence with Live USB flash drives?
>>57582112
Xubuntu.
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>>57581858
Time to start using ZFS as rootfs then
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The new version of zorin looks rather swish. Does anyone use it here? Any grievances?
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I really want a 3440x1440 monitor but I can't justify paying like $1000 for it ahhhhhhh
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>>57582165
>ultra-wide jew
Why pay more when you could get a monitor that's not cut in half?
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>>57582162

>using a shitty downstream ubuntu meant for idiots who want windows but not
I don't know if it's still based on Ubuntu or not, but the point still stands. Retards get stuff from downstream, smart people go as upstream as possible.
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>>57582198
It's like having two monitors without actually having to fuck around with two monitors though. Pixel density makes everything look better as well

Downside is they are expensive as fuck and require decent hardware to push all the pixels

/g/ has me morally torn with so much shit lately
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>>57582236
You definitely got meme'd.
4K is like having four 1080p monitors, is far more compatible and is much better for 4:3 content.
If you get a fuckhuge 4K display you'll never care about aspect ratios again.
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what are some good FOSS games?
is there any website listing the latest FOSS videogame projects?
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>>57582518
There's a bunch of fun FOSS FPS, it's more morally ambiguous but there's always emulation too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_video_games
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>>57582518
>good FOSS games
Battle for Wesnoth
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>>57582494
But a 4k monitor requires a fuck load more hardware to push all those pixels and would probably look like shit downscaling the resolution
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>>57582540
nice. didnt know Urban Terror was fully FOSS. its probably the best FOSS shooter out there.

Xonotic also seems pretty nice, like open arena but good.

>>57582562
im not into turn based strategy much but i will try it out
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Where can I find the .deb file for propriety drivers?
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Hey there /fglt/
I am trying to get into gnu linux.
I was trying to install Lubuntu then this error appeared.
> "Failed to install grub-efi to /target/ the system will not boot"
Have tried using methods from forums but wont work
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>>57582677
sudo find the proprietary .deb driver file
sudo install it
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>>57582681
>get into gnu linux
don't bother. its shit
get into linux instead
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Is GNU/Linux still GNU/Linux if I use non-free software on it?
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>>57582687
I can't, because the only internet connection I have is wireless.
So I have to download the propriety drivers.
Ubuntu seems to have the drivers OOTB, while debian doesn't.
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>>57582719
>GNU/Linux
don't use it
its shite
use Linux instead
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>>57582721
Distro name?
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>>57582736
Debian with XFCE DE.
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>>57582737
>Gnu shit/SJWBian
And why am I not surprised that you're having problems. Use a better distro.
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>>57582751
Like what?
Ubuntu?
For all I care debian dev can suck feminist cocks all they want.
That won't affect a distro.
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>>57582763
>there are only two distros
That's not true though.
>For all I care debian dev can suck feminist cocks all they want.
That won't affect a distro.
So you are implying the mental clarity or the lack thereof shown by a dev will not in any way influence the software decisions made by him? seems like illogical to me. Enjoy your shitty GNUshit/Sjwbian
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>>57582721
>>57582737
what wireless card is in the laptop?
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>>57582778
what distro is non-sjw then?
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>>57582681
Do not boot into UEFI mode next time, and disable the secure boot from your BIOS

>>57582696
EPIC XD
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>>57582778
>That's not true though
I need DEB based one, Debian and derivatives, Ubuntu and derivatives and puppy based on ubuntu.
>>57582780
Broadcom, what else.
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>Some BIOSes reject to boot from USB mass storage devices with partition table having more than one entry.

How do I bypass this?
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>>57582796
Most distros out there aren't
>>57582801
>there are only three debian based distros/distro families
That's not true though
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>>57582801
>Broadcom, what else.
what model matie
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>>57582822
>That's not true though
I'm open to suggestions.
>>57582828
Not sure, isn't there deb that contain all the broadcom drivers?
But I think its 43xx series.
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>>57582799
>uses shit software
>uses shit memes
>thinks he's smart while being clinically retarded
yeah... it all checks out
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>>57582842
What the fuck are you on about, stupid faggot?
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>>57582839
Open your browser. Open your search engine. Input Debian based distributions. Look for clues.
Also, why do you "need" something debian based?
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>>57582839
>Not sure, isn't there deb that contain all the broadcom drivers?
no

>But I think its 43xx series.
all of them are fucking 43xx
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>>57582858
you're mother and what shitty job shes done of raising your pathetic ass
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>>57582862
I have just the 43xx version of it. It worked on Arch but I can't be bothered to install it again. I can though. Just don't wanna do it.
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>>57582870
Are we being raided by /v/ toddlers?
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>>57582879
>we
are you multiple people? so being mentally retarded isn't the only thing you've got going
>/v/
never been they're though. i don't like computer games that much
>toddlers
do you think a toddler can use a keyboard and a computer? what the fuck?
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>>57582879
all day everyday anon.

Haven't you noticed that some of the post in this supposedly "friendly" general are full of bile like they were authored by an angry teenager despite discussing mundane bullshit like distributions?


REMINDER
Never reply to people who do not answer your technical question and instead recommend you stupid shit like wiping your harddrive and installing another operating system.
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>>57582903
wipe your brain and install a different kernel
maybe that will solve your problems of being such a pussy
wouldn't count on that though
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>>57582903
>he thinks people operate in a hivemind and the name of a thread is an absolute instruction
lol
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>>57582861
Because stupid devs can't decide on a single package format.
But a build for debian/ubuntu seems to be a mandatory.
>>57582862
>all of them are fucking 43xx
Fuck.
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>>57582799
just tried
still does not work fellow anon..
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>>57582909
the perfect example for >>57582903

angsty, insulting for no real reason, tries to use as much technical lingo as he can fit to appear more knowledgeable on the topic than he actually is and of course cynic.


His reply to this post will probably go somewhere along the lines of
>le harden the fuck up XD
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>>57582924
>what is source code
>there are no popular packaging formats other than deb
>devs are a single entity and can "decide" on a single package format
So are you actually this fucking dense or this is an epic "troll" post?
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>>57582892
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>>57582924
>Fuck.
Yep. Identity your card and I could help you getting internet on a debian install if you need
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>>57582938
>what is source code
>Wanting a package without being able to manage it.
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>>57582926
Are you sure you disabled secure boot?
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>>57582929
>angsty
im not even sure you know what this word means, kid
>implying you need a reason to insult a "person" who thinks being friendly to strangers on the internet is a great virtue
lol'd as we say on your home website
>tries to use as much technical lingo
sorry if kernel is considered technical lingo for you. i shouldn't use such words when they're are people here who don't understand basic stuff
>cynic
in what way am i a "cynic"?
see my first sentence and substitute angsty for cynic
>>57582943
i actually didn't make a single mistake in that post. I give your shit"post" an F
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>>57582948
BCM4322
nvm I've found it.
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/broadcom-sta-dkms/download
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>>57582950
Couldn't understand your post. I tried. Try to be less autistic or something
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>>57582976
ok kid
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>>57582991
When you build a package from source code and install it.
Your package manger doesn't "see" it.
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>>57582976
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>>57583009
Drivers don't update that often so it's not really that big of a problem to check manually once in while.
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>>57583004
whats the deeper meaning behind this post? i really can't seem to grasp it
>>57583018
>being an A*stralian
F
please leave this thread
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>>57582987
see. identifying the problem is the first step of overcoming it

now what you can do is download the deb on an external device and install it with dpkg -i after your installation
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>>57583022
I'm not talking about drivers, I'm needing wifi drivers for debian, because DEB is a popular format for packages.
Are you people high? or trump being elected have somehow lowered your IQ?
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>>57583032
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>>57583057
So you're not talking about drivers but you need drivers? Okay. I think MacOS might be a better distro for you.
>because DEB is a popular format for packages.
How is this relevant? Is that piece of code you need so special that it can run only on one distro?
>Are you people high?
I'm high right now but that's hardly relevant.
>or trump being elected have somehow lowered your IQ?
>implying I'm an american
Oh, so you are a "liberal". That actually explains everything.
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>>57582952
okay something new appeared
>bootloader install failed
choose a different devicw to install bootloader on
i clicked /dev/sda
however clicking ok button does not do anything
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>>57583080
just leave this thread if your an A*stralian
we don't like you're kind around here
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>>57583089
>Is that piece of code you need so special that it can run only on one distro?
Apparently it is.
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>>57583103
Why are you still here then?
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how do I change my shell to zsh? i'm on arch
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>>57583151
I'm originally from New Zealand
my people are allowed here it's just that you're people aka the A*ssies aren't
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>>57583168
#pacman -S zsh && chsh -s /bin/zsh
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>>57583184
>my people are allowed
aren't
Fixed that for you. Now get out, retarded abo.
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>>57583168
sudo apt-get install zsh
sudo change shell to zsh
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>>57583185
nothing happens
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>>57583192
my people are allowed
you're people are NOT allowed
get it straight
>abo
but my ancestors came here from Europe and i don't have maori blood in me
so i can't possibly be an abo
i think that you might be though judging by your inability to accept and understand more advanced cultures, such as the simple concept of you're people not being allowed on this site
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>>57583226
>but my ancestors came here from Europe and i don't have maori blood in me
yeah right, your gran was NATIVE'D and she very much enjoyed it
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>>57583211
$ sudo cat /dev/port
Post your output please
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>>57583240
i've actually had my DNA tested and i don't have ANY maori or other shitty blood in me whatsoever
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>>57580252
?
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>>57583265
whatever you say maori nigger
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>>57583271
no
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>>57583274
>he denies science
yeah. looks like my guess was stop on
whatever i won't bother you with such "advanced" concepts like dna
leave this thread now, abo
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>>57583168
pacman -S zsh, then get oh-my-zsh and antigen
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>>57583306
NO! don't do this
it might break your arch
don't do the last one
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>>57583292
lel maori nigger on complete damage control mode hehe

Go be a nigger in your piece of shit country full of inbred poorfags
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>>57583330
>he's abo brain simply cannot comprehend western science
lmao
i guess you must feel like shit talking to us and nto even understanding the things we are capable of understanding
>Go be a nigger in your piece of shit country full of inbred poorfags
but i'm not a*stralian
lel
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I know I shouldn't be asking this here but I'm sick of /v/ in the PC build threads thinking the sole purpose of a PC is to game

I want a high DPI monitor like Ultrawide 3440x1440 or 4k because the extra screen real estate is great for multitasking productivity. But every now and again I of course do play games or consume media. Gaming at 4k is fucked unless you want to break the bank, ultrawide is pretty fucked, you have to spend a decent amount to push all those pixels; plus there's not that much native 21:9 content.

Is ultrawide a meme? Should I go with 4k? If I go with 4k and something like a rx480 or gtx 1060 will I be able to down scale the resolution without it looking like shit? or will it always look like shit?

The extra screen real estate is honestly fucking amazing for everything but fucking games, maybe I should just stop falling for the gayming meme

help! too many memes and not enough facts
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FreeIPA is so based

Why aren't you using centralised user management /pol/
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>>57580083
Just use Virtualbox
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Is there a way to crash my system without root?
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>>57583359
Gaymes on my /g/
Gaymers in my /fglt/

Now I'm wewing 2bedesu
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>>57583358
Learn English, maori nigger hahaha
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Hey guys, I've always wanted to install arch on my main computer, I've installed it on my old laptop (which doesn't work anymore) and I really like it, but I've never managed to install a bootloader manually on uefi before (old laptop used bios). Is there a guide that I can follow somewhere?
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>>57583377
Install ubuntu
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>>57583385
Yeah, the arch wiki ;-)

I'd hold your hand through it but I'm about too sleeps tbqh
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>>57583377
COW exploit
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>>57583383
why would I "learn" my own language? that doesn't make sense lol
is your abo brain incapable of even basic logic?
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>>57583377
:(){ :|:& };:


just put in in the terminal and wait.
It's harmless, so all you will have to do after your system freezes is a reboot.
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>>57583402
No, marori abo. English is not your native language
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>>57583397
Isn't that fixed already?
>>57583415
I want a complete instant crash.

Any C solutions?
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>>57583451
>Isn't that fixed already?
Only with bleeding edge distros..
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>>57583432
but that's the only language I knew as a kid
that's the language of my ancestors

how can it not be my native language? your not making sense here, abo
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>>57583451
>I want a complete instant crash.
>Any C solutions?
You're out of luck then, buddy.

If you could crash a system with a single command that every user could invoke then it wouldn't be a very good system would it?
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>>57583377

ls $(yes)
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>>57583504
I'm the only user anyway.
Maybe I'm lucky, just read about "setuid", so basically it would be possible to print a "c" to /proc/sysrq-trigger..
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>>57583381
b-but if you read my post gaming is something I do very little of. I just want people who I know are competent with technology (/fglt/) to give their two sense on high DPI monitors for my use case. The only reason I still play games is because it's a bit of a social thing to jump on chat with some mates and have a few games of something - if it wasn't for any of that I would have never looked back
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>>57583566
Well both gnome 3.22 and kde plasma 5.8 have solid high DPI support, much better than windows.

Personally I think anything past 2k @ 27in is a meme. Colour reproduction is far more important to me.

My 27in monitor is 1920x1080 and I think its perfect ratio
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>>57583630
>Color reproduction is far more important to me.
>>>/lgbt/
also fixed your typo
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>>57583641
>can't spell
>doesn't like cute traps
Your opinion is objectively worthless
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I'm fed up of Arch breaking on me. I've tried all of the forks like Antergos and Manjaro, they all seem to break after a week or two, even though I don't do anything to break them. Anyway, is there a distro that's stable and has something like the AUR?
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>>57583630
Yeah high DPI support seems good these days so that shouldn't be too much of a problem

The thing is I would definitely take advantage of the extra screen real estate that something like 4k gives you for productive shit. But when I want to play a game every now and again would it look like shit on a 4k monitor having to dial it back to 1080p or maybe a tiny bit above, the best a 480/1060 could push it?
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>>57583668
>thinks that opinions are/can/should be objective
>thinks that worthless isn't a subjective word by definition

LMAO
fuck off to:
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/r/lgbqt
>>>/r/mtftrans
>>>/r/preop
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Wew, I had posted this in an old thread on accident.

So I'm fairly new to GNU/Unix. The most experience I have with it is an old version of Ubuntu and a class on UNIX that was required for CompSci.

I wanna install Arch. I know it's supposedly tough, but what's tough about it? Is the installer bare bones? Is it hard to configure for simple personal use? Does it have dependency hell? I'm gonna try running it in a VM of course though, before going live with it.

Also, how would I go about setting up an ssh so I can use ConnectBot on my phone to mess with it while I'm out?

Apologies for the obvious noob/uninformed questions.
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>>57583730
>GNU/Unix
Just stop.
Trying too hard to fit in.
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>>57583730
Arch is a fine distro for getting used to terminal

Also Linux is not UNIX
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>>57583687
>is there a distro that's stable and has something like the AUR?
No
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>>57583730
>using GNU/anything
off yourself
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>>57583765
lol make me :DD
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>>57583741
Fine. Linux. That obvious I don't browse here much?

I am serious about installing Arch though, along with the rest of what I said.

>>57583755
Square and rectangle thing, right? I know what I used in that class was Unix and not Linux though.
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>>57583775
Yeah. Only retarded cultists use that seriously. That and newfags like yourself of course, I don't have anything against you simply for that since this is a specialized thread for help but don't fucking try to be so """"cool"""" by using cultist words like GNU/
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>>57583668
somik isn't a trap you dumbass.

she's a hobbyist photographer, the dick belonged to her boyfriend and she photoshopped it over her crotch in those pictures
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>>57583775
Well technically it is GNU/Linux. However people shorten stuff all the time. So they call it "Linux"
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Is there anywhere I can go to get some intuitive explanations of things like kernals, shells and shit like that? How it all goes together to make a PC work?

I feel like it is almost necessary to have the basic knowledge of all of this stuff if you want to go about utilizing GNU/Linux to its best possible place
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>>57583798
Alright. Apologies.

I'm still wondering what's so hard about installing Arch though. From casual lurking, I remember someone crying that a dependency wasn't installed automatically? Is there something else I would need to look out for when trying this?

The ssh thing would help too. Apparently most distros come with openssh, but is there anything extra blah blah blah
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>>57583730
>Is the installer bare bones? Is it hard to configure for simple personal use? Does it have dependency hell? I'm gonna try running it in a VM of course though, before going live with it.
It has become a bit tedious since the beginners' guide got removed
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>>57583814
It isn't though. Not everything that runs a linux kernel is GNUSHIT/Linux
you can use it if you run this piece of shit software but don't force others to use this wording or your shitty software
>>57583828
And about Arch. It isn't hard by any stretch of the imagination.
>Is the installer bare bones?
It doesn't have one. You just input commands. Follow the arch wiki and you shouldn't have any problems if you aren't running any exotic hardware
>Is it hard to configure for simple personal use?
Not harder than any other distro. It's just a different kind of "hard". On other distros you have to remove a lot shit that comes out of the box but with arch you have to install and configure everything you need
>Does it have dependency hell?
It doesn't as far as I know.
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>>57583848
There's no one ITT that runs LInux without GNU in desktops.
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>>57583848
What distro are you on?
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>>57583862
Me
>>57583870
You could say LFS I guess since it's my own distro
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>>57583875
What browser are you using? What Office suite and file manager?
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>>57583887
I don't use a file manager or an office suite but how would my choice of browser impact anything? Surely you don't call your system systemd/linux just because you run redhat code
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>>57583911
Tell me, what browser do you use?

>too 1337 for file managers
lol how much is your NEETbux?
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>>57583848
Thanks. I don't have a Linux distro already installed. Am I stuck using a LiveCD? Is installing via that easier or harder?

Does it come with a desktop like Ubuntu did?
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>>57583926
>Does it come with a desktop like Ubuntu did?

no
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>>57583918
>Tell me, what browser do you use?
When you answer my question
>too 1337 for file managers
i didn't claim that though. I just don't need one. Why would I use something I don't need?
>NEETbux
i don't live in a shitty country which practices this extensively. and i don't think i would even be eligible so 0
>>57583926
You don't need anything other than a live cd. just make a bootable usb of arch and you're done.
>Does it come with a desktop like Ubuntu did?
nope. you have to install a DE yourself but that isn't hard if you're wondering about that.
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>>57583800
Keep telling yourself that hon
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>>57583949
>Dodges question and expects his question to be answered
>I don't need file manager
Spotted the unemployed basement dweller.
Shove your sophisticated broken piece of shit unusable ""distro"" in your ass and get out kek
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>>57583961
t. clueless anglo
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>>57583988
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>>57583949
Last question then. I'm installing it on a gaymen laptop that's fallen off hard this past year. You mentioned that configuring for special or weird hardware was a tad tougher. What would I need to know then? I don't have a wired connection for it, sadly.
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>>57584007
sauce
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>>57584007
Literally a fucking sock
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>>57583978
Still waiting for your reasoning behind it. I'm not dodging your question, I'm outright refusing to answer.
>thinks not using a filemanager is something cool and or rare
Spotted the winfag
Shove your sophisticated broken piece of shit unusable ""os"" in your ass and get out kek
>>57584009
I don't think you should have any problems but just look it up if necessary.
Or look up your hardware in the arch wiki before installing.
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>>57584058
>I'm outright refusing to answer.
Why? Is it because your browser uses GNU codes?
lmao vegan hippies go back to >>>/fa/
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>>57583817
bump
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>>57584069
Even if that were the case it isn't a reason for calling a system GNU/x
If we follow your logic you should call your system "every single piece of software you run + dependencies/Linux"
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>>57584095
>GNU
don't know. don't use this reddit tier """""""software"""""""
i could answer Linux questions though
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>>57584189
>don't know
Of course you "don't know". Because your pretentious hipster syndrome falls down once you install gtk softwares. Or any time you use mv, touch, ls, cp etc in your terminal. Or any time you use bash.

Get out, hipster
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>>57584189
meant for >>57584172
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>>57584210
>>57584218
just don't reply to them and they'll go away.
They're doing that because it's easy to trigger you.
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>>57584210
>pretentious
What am i pretending to do? Is not using bad software considered "hipster" now? That's kinda sad
>gtk
>any of those "commands"
Don't use any of that.
also
>bash
>using shit shells made by niggers
found the redditor
>>>/r/games
>>57584261
This tactic doesn't work and it has been confirmed many times.
Or did you not know that you need only 1 person to engage in a "conversation"
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>>57584069
What web browser other than maybe IceCat uses GNU code? "Anything licensed under GPL" is not the same as being part of the GNU project.
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>>57584261
>they
It's just one person
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>>57584281
Any gtk softwares
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>>57584281
His childish mind thinks that anyone from gnu contributing to something makes it gnu.
>>57584287
>gtk
is gtk made by gnu?
>softwares
Stop using nonexistent words.
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Anyone here working with DB2?
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>>57584279
lol
>too hipster for file managers
>too hipster for mv and cp
>too hipster for bash
>"I'm not a hipster guyz, look at my sophisticated good for nothing distro XD"

400 mL of organic water has been refilled to your starbucks bottle, vegan hippie.
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>>57584300
gtk is GNU
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>>57584279
>This tactic doesn't work and it has been confirmed many times.
>Or did you not know that you need only 1 person to engage in a "conversation"
No, your stupid ass is just unable to get on with it.

Spare them no (You) and he'll find something else to do.
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>>57584287
So if it uses Qt, am I supposed to call the operating system Nokia/Linux when I run the web browser on it?
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>>57584326
Nokia doesn't have a shell, a userland and a kernel
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>>57584303
>hipster
You don't even know what this word means. Either that or you genuinely think not using bad software makes some a hipster
There is another possibility - you think someone should install software he doesn't use, which is even more retarded.
>vegan
it's funny you write this and i'm eating chicken while replying to this shitpost
>>57584310
It isn't though
>>57584326
Yeah.
>>57584319
That's not how it works. "They" don't work for yous as the popular myth suggests. "They" do it to disrupt "something" in a particular "thread".
>>57584334
does gtk have any of that? your retarded mind isn't making any sense
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>>57584334
I'm not using a shell, a userland or a kernel made by GTK or GNU either.
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>>57584343
>GNU gtk isn't GNU
Trying too hard, hippie shit

>>57584350
No gtk softwares, No bash and no coreutils? What distro again?
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>>57584343
>"They" do it to disrupt "something" in a particular "thread".
Which your silly bum helps achieve by replying and snowballing the discussion further
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>>57584343
>hipster denying to be a hipster
poetic
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>>57584357
>No gtk softwares, No bash and no coreutils? What distro again?
My guess would be alpine, it uses busybox and muslibc
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>>57584357
>gtk is somehow gnu even though it isn't made by the same people or part of the shitty gnu project
Trying too hard, hippie shit
>>57584364
define hipster and explain how I am one then we can talk.
>>57584363
Why not though?
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>>57584371
Are you using it? I asked what distro are you using that has nothing GNU
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>>57584357
Qt, zsh, busybox. You're deluded if you think GNU is even close to being relevant these days.
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>I akshually use a nongnu linux distributions because fuck stallman commie kike jew UGH triggered

>never a single fucking screenshot or a photography or any proof whatsoever of such workstation in a working state being posted, ever

Is non-gnu linux a fairy tale?
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>>57584387
I wanna ditch GNU "software" too. Is alpine any good?
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>>57584387
What distro is that? Really want to know
>Qt based DE
>Zsh
>No coreutils
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>>57584400
If it was any good for hipsters people would actually use it
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>>57584385
I don't use alpine, I don't give a shit about your mundane shitflinging contest.
I clearly said "my guess" because it's the only distro of such qualities I know of, so it's probably the only major one to do it.
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>>57584398
>there can't possibly be something that replaces outdated garbage made by gnu
This really is a religion.
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>>57584373
gtk is licenced under GNU, made for a GNU software
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>>57584398
this

i want to see pictures of Linux distros free of Stallman's jewry!
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>>57584414
Of course you don't use Alpine, it's not usable. And I asked a person who claims to use a distro with no GNU software. "Your guess" is not relevant here
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>>57584418
so is linux
just call the system GNU then
why even use GNU/Linux?
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>>57584417
>too sophisticated for religion
go tip fedora somewhere else, neckbeard
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>>57584437
True. We should call it GNU
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>>57584437
>>57584452
GNU is GNU operating system with the fork of Linux stripped of proprietary binary components called Linux-libre

GNU/Linux is the version of GNU with mainstream kernel.
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>>57584465
I can agree
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>>57584443
>implying you explicitly recognize you are in the fsf cult
they don't call themselves a religious organization though
go tip fedora somewhere else, neckbeard
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Is there a way to simulate live environment in linux?
Works entirely in RAM, writing nothing to disk. When rebooting will revert the OS exactly as it was.
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>>57584417
>still barking with nothing to back his words up
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>>57584480
Live ISOs
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>>57584495
>no arguments left
>resorts to insults
Holy fuck you're pathetic mon
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>>57584495
He's not speaking, dumb hipster.
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>>57584400
No idea, I don't even use Linux on my desktop. I'd probably use something more mainstream and widely supported though, and just strip things down afterwards.

>>57584403
Why do you keep placing such importance on distros? Most of them keep shipping tools under the GNU project for the same reason Linux is compiled with it, or why X is still used. Because it became a commonly used standard, and everything everybody wrote literally DEPENDS on it being there exactly that way, even if it's not the best tool for the job, even if it's ancient, even if there are hundreds of way better replacements, and even if nobody uses it out of choice when they can help it.

"The GNU Project" is just an umbrella term for a freetard movement that ripped off a bunch of EXISTING Unix tools wholesale, then latched itself onto a kernel in order to promote their shitty misguided ideas about software freedom. It is entirely possible to use a modern, functional and convenient Linux based operating system without a line of GNU code involved. Even in modern distros that place an emphasis on legacy support and broad compatibility like Debian (that even goes out of its way to CALL itself "GNU" in a really pathetic way because it's not even approved by the FSF), most of the code you actually use that matters doesn't come from GNU. Your kernel isn't GNU, your web browser isn't GNU, your desktop environment either uses or is trying to migrate to Qt, GIMP is a piece of shit being replaced by Krita, Wine isn't GNU, your office suite isn't GNU, your compiler (in a few years) isn't going to be GNU, and if you're suicidal enough to use a DAW or a video editor on your Linux desktop, it probably won't be GNU either.
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>>57584480
TAILS features all the qualities you described.

There's also puppy linux which is similar but slightly more suitable for everyday work since it offers persistency if the user desires so.

I would recommend puppy to start with, it's quite nifty.
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>>57583377
You can crash your system WITH NO SURVIVORS!

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get purge aircraft flightplan cia wreckagebrother
sudo apt-get autoremove
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>>57584505
>using """casual""" """English""" to try and hide the fact that you're a shitskin
Holy fuck you're pathetic mon
>>57584510
What is he doing then, dumb esl?
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>>57584520
>tldr: I'm too butthurt to admit that there's no desktop distros without GNU
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>>57584538
He's fucking ur mum lelelel
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>>57584542
>desktop
meaningless buzzword
any distro can be used on a fucking desktop
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>>57584532
>without root
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>>57584542
Android. Now shut up and respond to my actual point.
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>>57584560
sudo apt-get purge hothead
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>>57584542
>i'm too butthurt to admit that I can't even prove I use one despite treating them like the holy grail of all distros
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>>57584538
whitest country on the planet here 2bh

99,8% of the population of european origin
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>>57584554
Go run Android-x86 on your deskop dumb retard

>>57584570
>Android
>desktop distro
hahaha dumb vegan
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>>57584588
are you really this stupid and think that running android on your pc isn't possible?
>>
So is there a way to switch my terminal transparency on the go? using xfce4-terminal if that helps any. I just want my manpages with a fullblack background honestly so if there is a workaround to just get those displayed with a black bg that'll make me happy too. Anyone?
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>>57584603
You can't run a fully functional Android in your desktop. You are welcome to try
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>>57584583
your life isn't worth anything if you can't speak English like a native or at least close to it
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>>57584493
I know that's one way.
But what if I want to compile android application?
This means I'll need to re-install AndroidSDK every time I boot a live session.
And if persistence is enabled it wouldn't work as intended.
>>57584523
>TAILS
Security isn't really what I'm looking for here.
>puppy linux
>persistency if the user desires so
I've looked into it, but do you mean that when booting from USB you're promoted to save your data when shutting down? I thought this was CD/DVD feature only.
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>>57584542
>>57584570
>>57584588
>>57584603
>>57584614
You can run fucking Alpine on your desktop.

The point is not "they do not exist" but "noone fucking actually runs them"
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>>57584613
Right click on the terminal - preferences - appearance
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>>57584614
Checkmate, atheists.
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>>57584614
you can
>>57584622
>"noone fucking actually runs them"
irrelevant
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>>57584622
Alpine is a theoretical OS with no users. However the moment you install a DE, or firefox etc youg install GNU
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>>57584641
>Closed sourced
lol you sure showed me
>>
>>57584642
>irrelevant
Woah you sure told me.

So much for "le desktop linux with no GNU XD masterrace" meme
>>
>>57584627
that's pretty much what I'm doing right now.. was hoping for a terminal command since I wanna shortcut that shit.
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>>57584648
>there are only gtk DEs
>there are only gtk browsers
what did he mean by this?
>>57584657
>people show him a linux distro without gnu yet he still tries to deny its existence
what did he mean by this?
>>
>>57584622
And my point is that they run them not because GNU tools are the best for the job or because there are no alternatives. Most people don't directly use or rely on GNU software nowadays when everything you do takes place either in a web browser or an office suite.

Just because your distro ships with a 1991 version of wget or sed which most people are never going to touch, it doesn't make it as important as the fucking kernel or your web browser.
>>
>Mail me at "[email protected]" if you have any questions.

>Sadly, a kernel by itself gets you nowhere. To get a working system you
>need a shell, compilers, a library etc. These are separate parts and may
>be under a stricter (or even looser) copyright. Most of the tools used
>with linux are GNU software and are under the GNU copyleft. These tools
>aren't in the distribution - ask me (or GNU) for more info.
>https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/old-versions/RELNOTES-0.01
>>
>>57584655
It's actually just a skin on top of Android x86, which is FOSS.
>>
>>57584676
>deny its existence
?
>>
>>57584676
Alpine ships with bash, dumbfuck
>>
>>57584699
>It's actually just a skin on top of Android x86
It's close sourced and you don't know yet
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>>57584648
Actually, you're more likely to install OpenSSL. Why aren't we calling it BSD/Linux?
>>
>>57584701
?
>>57584703
>implying you can't delete that piece of shit "shell"
?
>>57584709
use english or go back to your subreddit
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>>57584716
Because we are running GNU Bash, gtk and Linux
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>>57584619
>I've looked into it, but do you mean that when booting from USB you're promoted to save your data when shutting down? I thought this was CD/DVD feature only.
Puppy has two files. One is the system image which gets mounted into ramdisk at boot.
The other one is the "persistent storage" which exists on the storage device of your choice.

You can turn off the option of persistent storage and simply run puppy from the disk image every time.
Additonal software can be added without persistent storage by appropriate squashfs images which can be loaded into ramdisk at boot as well
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>>57584726
Learn English yourself, retarded maori nigger
>>
>>57584685
>RELNOTES-0.01

Boy, that sure is relevant. It's almost like he picked the only option available at the time which didn't have to be commercially licensed, a verbatim open source copy of the commercially licensed one.
>>
>>57584728
Why aren't we calling it GNU/gtk/bash/BSD/Linux?
>>57584734
It's english and you don't know yet
>>
>>57584726
>?
How did I deny it's existence?
>>
>>57584726
hahaha so much theory, not a single live Alpine users
>>
I do

mpv ~/porn/**/*


This plays all the vids in subdirectories of "porn", but not subdirectories of said subdirectories or vids that are simple in "porn".

e.g.
~/porn/Asian/AkaiMizuki.mp4
will be played, but not
~/porn/Asian/Anal/SatomiYuria.avi
or
~/porn/AllieSin-Power Lines.mkv

How do I make so all files under the "porn" directory (including itself and all subdirectories) are played?
>>
>>57584728
>we are running GNU Bash, gtk

I sure as fuck don't. fish and Qt are way better.
>>
>>57584744
Your nigger teachers failed to teach you English, maori nigger
>>
@57584745
"So much for "le desktop linux with no GNU XD masterrace" meme"
>>57584747
use english or go back to your subreddit
>>
hey /g/ I heard gnu is cancer and systemd is nsa, how can I uninstall it? I'm using arch if it matters
>>
>>57584744
Because I am using the Linux version of GNU
>>
>>57584757
pacman -someletter gnu systemd
>>
>>57584754
See >>57584753
>>
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>mfw it took me 7 hours to install gentoo
>mfw i'm realizing Gentoo was not a meme and the install process made me learn a lot about how linux fs, bootloaders and kernels work.
>mfw i can define USE in order to compile my softwares for my shitty intel Pentium M processor.
>mfw /g/ was right
>>
>>57584757
http://systemd-free.org/install.php
>>
>>57584762
But you are using openssl as well you should call your system GNU/BSD/Linux
>>
>>57584757
Epic XDD
>>
>>57584780
My shell is not BSD, neither is my userland. It's a gtk DE
>>
>>57584788
But you are using BSD software. You should call it GNU/BSD/Linux
>>
>>57584771
Why would you at any point even think it's a meme?
Also try openbox or a tiling wm instead of a DE with that amount of memory.
>>
>>57584771
Next time you should be able to install gentoo in 30 minutes
>>
>>57584796
Unix like OSes are made of three core items:
>Kernel
Linux
>Shell
GNU bash
>Userland
gtk softwares, GNOME etc. My init system is also GNU GPL'd

It's GNU/LInux :)
>>
>>57584812
Mate would also work as it's very lightweight, especially for its featureset.
>>
>>57584771
>those specs
what on earth are you running gentoo from? an eee pc?
>>
new thread: >>57584829
>>
>>57584729
>You can turn off the option of persistent storage and simply run puppy from the disk image every time.
That's exactly what I'm looking for.
>Additonal software can be added without persistent storage by appropriate squashfs images which can be loaded into ramdisk at boot as well
That's very very appealing.

However the packages I'm looking for don't seems available, Ren'py and RAPT.
Since Tahr puppy is ubuntu based, does this means I can install .deb packages directly?
>>
>>57584821
OpenSSL is bsd. You use it. Which means your system is actually GNU/BSD/Linux
>>
>>57584849
See >>57584821

OpenSSL is not the tree core items in POSIX defined operating systems
>>
>>57584846
>Since Tahr puppy is ubuntu based, does this means I can install .deb packages directly?
you cannot install .deb packages directly without persistent storage.

However puppy includes tools to create your own squashfs images with whatever .deb you may need.

And yes I would advice using tahrpuppy. The slacko version sucks dingdong right now.
>>
>>57584860
doesn't matter
you are running it. it's dishonest to not include it in the name.
>>
>>57584849
>using openssLOL instead of gnutls
lol
>>
>>57584871
GNU is a greater part of the whole by any metric, it's even greater than the linux kernel. OpenSSL isn't even as much of a part of the OS as the linux kernel.
>>
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>>57584871
>Definition doesn't matter
This is you completely running out of arguments.

GNU/Linux wins again, as always. Good bye, butthurt maori nigger
>>
>>57584788
Here's a thought exercise for you. I'm using a desktop computer with:

- Linux
- systemd
- ALSA
- Proprietary graphics drivers
- LLVM
- X.org
- OpenJDK
- IntelliJ IDEA
- Python
- Go
- musl
- zsh
- busybox
- OpenSSL
- OpenSSH
- Qt
- KDE
- Krita
- Chromium
- VLC
- LibreOffice
- Maya

I also have gcc, gtk, bash and coreutils installed because my package manager refuses to install some things without also installing these. The amount of GNU code running on my desktop is a generous 0.5% of the total. Why, then, would I call this collection of software "GNU/Linux" and claim that the tools released by the GNU project (which I don't use) are as important as my kernel?
>>
>>57584911
See >>57584821


One post to rule 'em all.
>>
>>57584883
>>57584891
definitions do matter
GNU/BSD/Linux is the correct definition. Linux or GNU/Linux is simply dishonest
>>
>>57584911
The amount of Linux code running on your desktop would make a generous 2% of the total.

Why call it Linux then?
>>
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>>57584870
>However puppy includes tools to create your own squashfs images with whatever .deb you may need.
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/HowtoMakeSFSPackage
Why isn't this distro popular?
It even comes with XFCE
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=99849

I'll try it out and see how it goes.
It wouldn't be such an issue if building ren'py games for android didn't leave such huge files that I'm not sure if it should be deleted or not.
>>
>>57584933
hippies REKT
>>
>>57584917
I'm not using bash, Gtk or GNOME. I'm using zsh, Qt and KDE.
>>
>>57584771

You could have "learned" about filesystems, bootloaders and the kernel from any distribution.

>how kernels work
I am willing to bet 1000$ that you know jackshit how kernels work. All you maybe know is how to go through a menu and select certain options you want from a kernel.
>>
>>57584751
Here ya go
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/globstar-new-bash-globbing-option
>>
>>57584933
I wouldn't. I'd call it Arch, which is the OS I'm using.
>>
>>57584974
Isn't it exactly what the vendor of your OS calls it?
>>
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>>57584974
>>
>>57584911
Probably about 10% of my Windows PC has Microsoft code in it, so why would I call this collection of software "Windows?" It's because that small subset of code is what's necessary for the computer to even begin to function. It's the foundation that your computer software is built on.
>>
>>57584939
>Why isn't this distro popular?
It's not "production ready" however buzzwordy it may sound.

It's incredibly nifty, it's architecture and use of ramdisks makes it blazing fast compared to traditional distros but it's plagued with shitload of problems that are simply too much to introduce it as a daily driver.

I actually tried to switch to it but have given up after 2 days of fiddling with it. My problems could be hardware specific sure, so you should try that for yourself.

For example, after installation I would boot up just fine, configure it, restart it (it asks to after initial configuration) and again it would boot up just fine.

Without making any modifications whatsoever (even small ones like installing a package from the repositories) it would refuse to boot the next time. It would throw a kernel panic on trying to read the main system image file everytime.
>>
>>57584969
>http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/globstar-new-bash-globbing-option
Many thanks!
>>
>>57585026
>It would throw a kernel panic on trying to read the main system image file everytime.
That's hardly a hardware problem.
Thank you for indulging in my questions.
This is indeed a friendly thread.
Even though the answer remained the same.
>>
>>57584987
I don't even know what we're arguing about at this point. The least ambiguous way to refer to a Linux distro is by the name of the distro. Calling it "Linux" is a convenient misnomer, because every component of the OS was made by different groups and projects, so there's no real way to refer to the collective. If you insist on calling it GNU/Linux, you'd also have to give BSD, Qt, Google, and a thousand other equally if not even more important projects credit. Not trying is literally better.

Simply calling it "Linux" gives the kernel on its own too much credit, but most people associate the word with the culture itself, and nobody other than Stallman gets offended. The kernel itself is almost like a metaphorical embodiment of the "community" or the "culture", it's the beacon that everything else revolves around. It's also the one thing there isn't a practical replacement for.
>>
>>57585012
Because it's the most convenient word to use when trying to tell people what operating system your computer is running. Trying to call it NT/win32/dwm/cygwin would be retarded.
>>
>>57585082
Solution is simple.

If you're talking to normies call it Linux.
If you're talking to people from the secrit club and you want to be specific about the OS not the kernel itself call it GNU/Linux.

If the distribution is relevant to the discussion call it by the distribution's name
>>
>>57585134
You have once again failed to address why I would call it GNU/Linux instead of BSD/Qt/KDE/ALSA/LLVM/GNU/Linux.
>>
>>57585082
>culture
Linux has no culture, it's a kernel developed by a bunch of pajeets called Linux Foundation. GNU started off 10 years before the Linux kernel. The free software culture started there, adding a kernel to the OS doesn't change everything to "Linux".

tl;dr Linux is what normalfags use, who aren't much around computers, same way they call cracking "hacking" and think RAM is something you can download
>>
>>57585160
because all those components are irrelevant and may be subject to the change.

The relevant components are the Kernel and the GNU components like the coreutils and glibc.

If an OS features the Linux kernel but no GNU components like coreutils and glibc it's a different family of *nix based operating system and despite sharing common characteristics with other *nix-based operating systems it doesn't share characteristics of a GNU/Linux operating system due to the use of different core components.
>>
>>57584958
>Friendly GNU/Linux Thread
Stop get some help
>>
>>57585134
So I should call it GNU/Linux only if I care about feeling special? Cool. I'll stick to using Linux.
>>
>>57585213
This is exactly why I don't get why people still come up with the Alpine argument.
>>
>>57584842
Thinkpad X41
>>
>>57585225
You should call it GNU/Linux when you are using GNU with Linux. When you're using GNU with kFreeBSD, call it kFreeBSD, when the kernel doesn't matter, call it GNU, for convenience, or, the best, refer to the distribution directly.
>>
>>57585249
*call it GNU/kFreeBSD
>>
>>57585249
I don't care about feeling cool. I'll just call it distroname or Linux from now on.
>>
>>57585188
>by a bunch of pajeets called Linux Foundation
Also Google, Intel, Microsoft, nVidia, Samsung, IBM.

>GNU started off 10 years before the Linux kernel.
And Unix started off 15 years before the GNU project. GNU copied it and tried to start a movement which nobody gives an iota of a shit about. Linux used their copies of Unix tools because BSD wasn't open source yet and no other alternatives existed at the time.

>>57585213
>because all those components are irrelevant and may be subject to change
>the relevant components are [...] coreutils and glibc
Oh dear.

>it's a different family of *nix based operating system and despite sharing common characteristics with other *nix-based operating systems
How the hell is it a different family if it uses the same kernel and API? BSD and Darwin are ambiguous enough already, but not using coreutils doesn't make it not a Linux distro. Coreutils isn't a "core component" even if it's in the name. Coreutils aren't your kernel, your drivers, your init system, your window server or your system API. It's just ports of a bunch of old, existing Unix utilities which nobody uses nowadays because better alternatives exist.

You could make a better argument for glibc vs uclibc/musl/bionic, but starting a different tree or definition of the OS just for one minor component would be pointless.
>>
>>57585350
>GNU copied programs which source wasn't even available
I see. :^)
>>
>>57585399
Sorry, should I use "recreated with identical functionality" to satisfy your autistic ass?
>>
>>57585430
Yes, thanks.
>>
Android (Android with Linux)
Windows (Windows with NT)
OS X (OS X with Xnu)
GNU (GNU with Linux)

There's no need to mention the kernel; just call it GNU.
>>
>>57585466
/thread

here we are: >>57584829
>>
>>57585466
What if you're using any GNU software?
>>
>>57585482
obivously the system is not a gnu system, such as windows, osx, embedded linux for smart tvs/toasters
also: >>57585476
>>
>>57585482
+not
>>
>>57585249
No, you should call it just GNU because that's what it is. However you can specify GNU/linux or GNU/kFreeBSD when you want to specify the kernel that the GNU OS runs on.
>>
>>57585552
I can't be the only one tired and bothered by this stupid arguments.

I call it Linux and everybody understands what I'm talking about. If somebody is triggered by this, a visit to the therapist is long overdue.
>>
>>57585995
>I am wrong and reality doesn't matter!
>Windows? What's that? It's called NT guys!
>OSX? No! It's called Darwin!!1
>>
>>57586108
This threads would be much better without shitposting about naming conventions.

I'm very, very sorry I triggered your autism, anon.
>>
>>57586301
>I'm very, very sorry I triggered your autism, anon.
It's so fucking easy I do it for fun all the time
>>
>>57586325
If you find this repetitive shit funny you probably have legit autism. Go grab a book, watch a movie, play a game, shitposter-kun.

I bet you have a 4chan pass. What a pitiful life.
>>
>>57586372
i usually score right between neurotpyical and autistic. everything else is also fine but there are times when I wanna do this and nothing else
>4chanpass
kek no
>>
>>57586415
>i usually score right between neurotpyical and autistic.
Can you get a trip so I can filter your shitposts? Or just leave your blog's url and fuck off. Nobody cares about the average aspergers 4chan shitposter.
>>
>>57586446
but i would need multiple trips to represent all of my identities
that's kinda stupid don't you think? and i don't want to make it easier for redditors like you to filter my posts
make a fucking filter yourself by analyzing my speech patterns
>>
>>57586508
Spoken like a true tard. Your parents must cry themselves to sleep every night. Off yourself.
>>
>>57586550
Explain why im a "true" "tard"?
nah my parents are cool with me
but why? i don't suffer from depression anymore and i wasn't even suicidal
>>
>>57586619
>>/r9k/
>>
>>57586628
>cant even use 4chan formatting
>cant even explain his retarded point of view
>>>/r/9k
>>>/r/eddit
>>>/r/videogames
>>
>>57586655
>Out of all activities I can think about, shitposting is the best option.
Too bad you hadn't the balls to end your pathetic existence. It really is good to nobody. Not even yourself.
>>
>>57586709
i do other things too. surely you aren't stupid enough to limit yourself to one source of enjoyment
but i'm having so much fun right now posting in multiple threads
but i didn't even consider doing that so if we take it into account you think everyone with balls should kill himself right now
>Not even yourself.
how can you possibly claim to know this?
>>
I'm running Fedora 23. I didn't install the Nvidia proprietary drivers.

Should I upgrade to Fedora 24 and install the Nvidia drivers or the other way around?
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