/pcbg/- PC Building General

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Ok so here's what's up.
I bought all of my parts for my build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Vp4PFd
Got everything, set it up, bootlooped.
Tried ram in every slot, troubleshooting everything.
Running out of time for my RMA and none of my local builders were around.
SO I send back my cpu, my Mobo, and my ram.
I swapped out my ram with http://pcpartpicker.com/product/4vWrxr/gskill-memory-f42400c15d16gvr
but everything else stayed the same.
So I got everything back and set it up today, only to be greeted with another turn on, fan blare for a second until turning slow, waiting about 10 seconds, and powering off with a click.
After a second or two it turns back on and does that again on loop. This seems to go on indefinitely, I've given it a few minutes.
So since I've gotten everything replaced with brand new parts, that leads me to the conclusion that it's me who's doing something wrong.
So here's what I did.
I set up my MoBo and attached my CPU, after that I applied my thermal paste and my heatsink.
Then, I added my ram sticks.
After that I plugged in my MoBo into the PSU with the 24-pin connector as well as attaching the cpu 4+4 plug.
I shorted the power switch and it boot looped me, which was what I previously mentioned earlier.
I had my Dvid duel port attached and it didn't show a black screen, but no signal at all on my monitor.
So I start looking for what I did wrong, first I try my ram sticks, one at a time, in each slot.
Nothing.
Secondly, I try attaching my SSD and plugging it into my mobo and my psu.
Still nothing.
The only thing I haven't tried yet was attaching my GPU to the card, but since intel and my mobo have integrated graphics I haven't tried, and I doubt it would boot and shut off repeatedly if that were the case.
So this begs the question, what exactly am I doing wrong? Is there something that sticks out to anyone that seems to be missing?
I'm running out of options and this whole thing is making me really iffy on the idea of building a pc.

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http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/qZLs8K

Gaming (1080, star citizen), music production. Which parts are overkill? Can I reduce the price? Ideally down to around $1300 AUD.

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>>57241601
>Significantly outdated "Good" and "Very Good" tiers
Not any more! At least, not the GPU part.

Are surge protectors with high energy ratings memes? Or would an AmazonBasics one work just fine?

Im looking for a rx 470 for gaming at 1080p60. Is it the best choice ?

>>57241601
I like that fan, where do I get one?

>>57242016
is your PSU budget tier?

I'm about to build a new mini itx programming/Linux test box. How does /g/ feel about the skylake pentium for this kind of work? It has a nice upgrade path if I ever want to beef it up and the whole setup would only cost me any 350 burgerbucks

>>57241986
i recommend a z170 board even if you dont plan on OC it's nice to have the option, and you can still OC a non-K cpu a bit. it also lets you use faster RAM for a slight performance boost.
get ram without heatsinks that stick up.
Get at least a 2TB drive, they're almost the same price.
Suggest a RX 480 4GB instead. Better DX12 support, better driver improvements over time, async monitors dont cost extra.
Get Wifi with a/c standard.
Why would you pay that much for keyboard?

There should be cheaper SSDs for around same size.
You can drop the Wifi and use a fucking cable and save money.
You can also get a $10 keyboard instead.

>>57242029
I'm asking in general. Would there be a difference if I had budget PSU vs a decent one?

>>57242082

Yes, you will end up buying two budget PSUs.

>>57241601
more like Chasity belt edition

>no pci-e lanes
>limited number of hard drives

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>ITX Edition
Is this "Cramming too many radiators into a tiny ass case" edition....

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>>57242116
Or "buying a ITX case that's as large as an mATX so you can fit way too many radiators" edition?

>>57242116
>Cramming too many radiators into a case
Not possible

>>57242025
depends on settings, id go with a 480 4GB.

>>57241969
you dont need a drive to boot.
that ram seems very cramped, put them in other slots (this is why i tell retards not to buy ram with huge heatsinks).
is the cpu fan connected?
whats your PSU?
did you ground yourself while working on it?
try ONE stick of RAM in EACH slot.
are you using the onboard graphics?

hook shit up and take a pic from above

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>>57242095
>surge protector == PSU
???
So is it a meme or is it worth the 20 extra dollars?

>>57242116
I love proof of concept as much as the next guy, but taking all the time and effort to cram as much shit into a case and make it as hard as possible to work in it is just a complete waste of time.

The tiny case fad just boggles.

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>>57242138
My current plans are a 280mm rad, a 240mm rad, and a 120mm rad in this Fractal.

For a 1070 and a 4690k.

>>57242156
A cheap/low quality PSU may:

- Explode, taking all your other components with it
- Provide dirtier power, damaging your components over time, killing your PC in ~1-2 years when it could have lived for ~5-7
- Waste a lot of energy
- Commit suicide early, forcing your to get a new PSU

NEVER cheap out on your PSU.

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>>57242095
this

>>57242097
>implying you need more PCIe shit
>not having a dedicated file server

>>57242156
a good PSU can survive a surge.

>>57242155
also try this image

>>57242155
>The ram seems cramped, put them in another slot.
They actually fit in fine, the were slender enough to click in, but I have tired other slots with no success.
>is the cpu fan connected.
To the MoBo yes, thats how it spins when I turn yhe MoBo on, it starts loud and fast but becomes slow very quickly, but still moving.
EVGA Supernova 550w GS
>Did you ground yourself.
Yes, not a single zap.
>Try one stick of ram in each slot.
Tried it, although im hindsight I only did the first 3 slots and didnt use both sticks while testing this time so I could try again I guess.
>Are you using onboard graphics.
Yes, my Dvid duel port was attached to the MoBo itself, not a GPU.
>Hook it up and take pic from above.
I'll do that when I get the time tomorrow. Its late and everything is put away.

>>57242265
alright, save pic >>57242204 in case

>>57242077
>>57241986
Something like this
>http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/r6hmxY
if you can live with adding a HDD for storage later.

(holy shit australia is expensive. cant you import from california?)

>>57242009
Any feedback on this?

>>57242049
more than fine, but just be aware they might add 2 threads to the kaby lake pentiums that's coming.

>>57242326
seems gud

>>57242326
i hope amd lowers the price of the 470 to match the 1050ti and the 480 finally goes down to $200 so i can buy one

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WHERE ARE THE RUBBER GROMMETS PLEASE

WHAT AISLE

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/BxGnGf
Please help.

>>57242506
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/DbXYWX

>>57242506
>>57242525
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/ph38TW/evga-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-sc-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-5173-kr

>>57242525
>>57242531
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/fgJmxY
Thanks.

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should i cop or not
Things i have
750 watt modular psu Got it for $40 its corsair
Asus oc 1070 white one got it for $320
Things i need
Mother board
prosesor thinking of getting an i5 6600k though
Ram
Storage
Case pic related
Any advice first pc build

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/XXvqbj

Shitposting, encoding, light image editing, osu.
Would integrated graphics be enough>

So I'm building a workstation computer, I've decided to opt for a dual-xeon setup. If anyone has experience with dual cpu setups i'd much appreciate some advice.

At the moment I've narrowed down sights on either an E5-2623 V4 or an E5-2637 V4. Both are quad-core CPU's with two threads per processing core, the biggest difference between the two are clock speed and cache.

The E5-2623 is the cheapest option coming in at $400, clocked at 2.70Ghz/3.20Ghz and has an cache of 10Mb. My second option, the E5-2637 is significantly more expensive at around $1,000 but is clocked for 3.50Ghz/3.70Ghz and has 15Mb of cache.

I'd really enjoy having the extra clock speed the E5-2632 offers but $1000 makes it hard to justify. The E5-2623 is slower by a significant amount but I could manage picking two up without second thoughts, it's also nowhere near as power taxing on the P/S unit.

What do you guys think?

>>57242607
The iGPU should be enough. You won't be doing any serious gaming though.

>>57242599
>should i cop or not
What does this mean?

>>57242599
read the OP, make a partlist of what you have and want

>>57242607
Yes. Dont skimp on the PSU.
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/srrYWX

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>>57242645
its slang for i should buy or not

>>57242655
your 1070 isnt doing much useful things right now is it?

>>57242663
nah i just bought cause the price was low planning on buying the rest on friday

>>57242655
>750 watt modular psu Got it for $40 its corsair
I assume it is the CX version. Is alright. Card is great.

6600K is currently the best CPU for gaming. 8GB DDR4 is standard. The rest depends on your budget, but getting a 256/500GB SSD and a 1-2TB HDD is standard.

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I'm looking for a case that fits my (admittedly very specific) needs:

>Horizontal MB orientation (either the upstairs/downstairs kind or HTPC style)
>ATX or mATX size (have mATX board)
>THREE external bays.

This combo is surprisingly hard to find. The only two cases I could find were the Thermaltake X2 and Apevia X-master. The former is too expensive (~$150) and I don't like the style that much, and the latter look cheesy/poorly made.

>Why do you need this, anon?

I'm building a quasi-retro PC that will run Win98 and Win2000. I need to have a DVD drive, a 3.5in floppy drive, and an CompactFlash to IDE adapter (pic related). Thus, I need at least 1x 5¼ bays and 2x 3½ bays. (The CF to IDE adapter fits in 3.5 bays)

>>57242674
ASUS Z170-AR LGA 1151 ATX Intel Motherboard
I can get this board for 104 at my local microcenter
Case $95
I5 $220
RAM $80
HDD $54
COOLER $30
MOTHER BOARD $114
GPU 1070 $370
psu $40
thats the budgetingtax included wanna keep it under 1k

>>57242674
1TB HDDs is a shit purchase cus the cheapest 2TB are almost the same price.

>>57242713
pcpartpicker list please

>>57242699
But why horizontal
Just get a regular ATX tower or use 5.25"-3.5" adapter slots

>>57242717
>>57242713
heres my list thing
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/cwcRFd

>>57242699
http://www.newegg.com/HTPC-Media-Center-Cases/SubCategory/ID-690

>>57242740
you can mark stuff as bought with the cogs next to the price on the right so we know what we can change

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Hey everyone, I am planning to buy a 1060 to run my games better but my current card's being all fucky
>Play Gmod, freezes
>fallout 4, frame rate drops
>mafia 3, low frame rate and result in freezing
did a malware/virus scan but nothing showed up, i do gave a gtx 760 ti and it ran fallout 4/gmod just fine. But I heard the 1060 is a cheaper upgrade, like about 200-250 like my GTX 760 when i built my PC 2 years ago. And again i'm so sorry to ask this, i read the sticky but could it be something else?

>>57242752
post the rest of your specs for fuck sake. download and install speccy and take a screenshot of it

>>57242750
sorry i dint know
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/N6DkwV

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Any ideas what to change? Living in Germany and budget is about ~600€. Using computer mostly to browse 4chan or watching videos.

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>>57242763
Sorry man, i'm still pretty new to PC shit

>>57242735
>But why horizontal
>Just get a regular ATX tower

I'm going to be using a rather large aircooler, and I'm a bit paranoid about having that kind of weight hanging off the motherboard, especially since I will likely have to move it around fairly often.

>or use 5.25"-3.5" adapter slots

Horizontal cases with three 5.25" are actually harder to find than cases with one 5.25" and two 3.5".

>>57242782
Why is your motherboard boiling?

>>57242813
I think it' because I don;t shut it off at night, I just put it at the lock screen but my dumbass should shut down after using it, that may the the issue with the motherboard

>>57242764
np.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/qZJmxY

>>57242782
use your finger to find the heatsink on the mobo thats hot as fuck and put a fan to blow on it while having speccy open and see if the temp goes down.
if it does leave the fan like that and try playing your game, if it works fine you solved the problem.

>>57242831
just wondering what was wrong with the h55 if you dont mind me asking

>>57242831
Alright man, I will try that, I appreciate the help

>>57242777
Good pc.
I would opt in for a m.2 nvme pcie express 3.0 x4 Drive and mobo combo. Because sata 6gb is shit for ssd. Also choose a mobo with WiFi so you dont need a WLAN USB Stick.

>>57242745
Nothing there I don't already know about. As I said before, the Apevia X-Master looks kinda cheesy, and the Silverstone options pushing $200. If this was for my main PC, that would be fine. I can't really justify spending that much on a side project.

>>57242821
Nah that's not it. That could just be a bad sensor. But check the drivers in device manager. If it's not the drivers check the board for bad caps.

>>57242777
use pcpartpicker

you dont need that cooler.
get 2x4GB ram kit.
get at least a 1050ti or rx 470 4GB
2TB HDD should be almost same price.
never heard of that brand of cases.

>>57242857
>m.2
>for a budget PC
that's fucking terrible advice

>>57242869
take a regular case and put it on the side

>>57242874
he should also doublecheck the temp with another program like openhardwaremonitor

>>57242821
I agree with >>57242874. Not turning your PC off at night has nothing to do with your motherboard temps. I'd feel around on your motherboard to see if some part of it feels REALLY hot (at 111 degrees, you would definitely notice). If nothing feels super hot, it's probably a bad sensor.

Just make sure you ground yourself before you go touching the MB.

One last thing, what kind of case do you have?

>>57242922
its not the case, his other temps are fine

>>57242930
True. He also has a 760, so its probably not a teenie tiny super flat HTPC case.

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>>57242922
>>57242930
>>57242945
Here's my case,

>>57242964
stop wasting time posting your case when it's clearly irrelevant since your other temps are more than fine.

go check with your fucking hand if the mobo has egg-frying-hot heatsinks so we can move on with helping you

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>>57241601

Can anyone recommend a fast, reliable 2TB+ HDD? My old seagate is finally dying after 10 years of service.

>>57242995
hitachi 2tb is around $60

>>57242999

Are these reliable? I remember people complaining about Hitachi drives dying all the time without warning.

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>>57241601
>NH-D14 on a ITX board

>>57242984
Sorry man, thought you guys wanted to know, I felt the heat sink and it doesn't feel hot at all surprisingly. It just feels warm as it normally should

>>57242995
WD blues and Seagate barracudas are good enough for normal PC use. Don't bother with server grade hard drives meme.

>>57243025
Probably if you buy refurbed ones. Alternative is a Toshiba P300 for ca 70 if you dont want Seagate or WD.

>>57243051
If it is the same price, why not go for the higher quality item?

>>57242356

https://www.amazon.com/Dual-Fan-Radeon-Gaming-Graphics-DUAL-RX480-O4G/dp/B01KWGSEJU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1477465295&sr=8-4&keywords=480+rx+4gb

It's not the 8gb, but still a good sign

>>57242899
Why no m.2? Sata needs two cables which is bad in itx cases. Sata 6gb bottelnecks your ssd with write and read around 500-600 mb/s. Mindfactory an inexpensive pc part shop for germany sells the evo 960 250 gb for 100 bucks or you take a cheaper oem m.2 ssd with 128 gb around 70-80 bucks. For your data there is the hdd, core games and os goes straight on the m.2. why? read and write around 2000-3000 mb/s. Hillarious fast much faster than a 2.5 inch sata ssd.

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>>57243029
Just to confirm, are these the heatsinks you're checking?

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If I went Mini-ITX I'd put it in an NCASE M1.

>>57242265
could be a case problem. if 2 sets of parts are faulty and you didn't include your case, i would check the wires and buttons or even a test bench or new case.

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>yfw its $200+

>>57242782
111c is the calling card of speccy fucking up

find a laser thermometer or something and see what temp its actually at
if it burns your hand its too hot

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>>57243103
yes they felt fine, also my fans begun to whir louder right now FUCKING LOAD SPECCY

>>57243332
Ok, motherboard is at 113 now, I might have to re apply thermal paste. I appreciate all your help guys really, i didn't mean to derail the thread with my fry an egg motherboard

>>57243358
>I might have to re apply thermal paste.

Uh, I'm pretty sure motherboard heatsinks aren't removable. I suspect the 111/113 degree temp is either Speccy messing up, or a faulty sensor. Either way, it's almost certainly not the cause of your performance problems.

Curious /g/, have an RX 470 here.
Non OC version, yet on the menu it says I can clock over 1226, then apply it.

Good idea to set it an extra +10 and see what happens?

>>57243815
Try +100, unless you only want a 0.2 increase in fps.

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/pZ3Z2R
first build any thoughts?

>>57243871
bit expensive with mobo, and A-Data isn't as good as samsung when it comes to SSDs.

>>57243871
Pirate Windows instead of wasting your money.

I want my photoshop to be faster since I work with a shit load of layers. Is there any way to overclock a i7 4470 without killing it?

>>57243871
Drop to 2133 RAM and maybe get a different/cheaper mobo, case is subjective. Also consider a mATX build.

>>57241986
there is no appreciable performance difference between the 7200 and 5400 version of that drive, reason being the "5400" isn't its actual speed, but rather it's adaptive, so it saves power, wear and noise but can also go just as fast under load

i build a new pc and it won't post if my ram is the slots recommended by the manufacturer

how bad is this realistically

manufacturer recommends 2&4
i have 1&3

Hello /v/,
I hope you're having a nice day!

>>57245136
Does it post with 1&3?

>>57245164
yes, currently installing windows

also, it's 1&2 not 1&3

it recognizes 16gigs in the bios too

>>57243933

What are your full specs?

I'm dancing between the 480 4gb, 1060 3gb and the 1050 ti

What do?

>>57245247

480 4gb

>>57245173
Maybe some mobo specific thing.. If youre concerned RMA but its not worth imho

What's OP's mobo?

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>>57245247
Get the 480, i got mine a few hours ago

1050ti was mighty disappointing desu

>>57245247
This >>57245272

>>57245286
Nice. They're back to 200 bucks.

Samsung SSD 500gb w/ i5 6400k 2.7

Or

Basic 1tb HDD w/ i5 6600k 3.5 (cheaper)

First time building and I'm getting different opinions from everyone. Not sure which one will do me best. I use my pc was casual games (Overwatch, League, Payday) and browsing/music making.

Any opinions or tips

>>57242009
Only received very limited feedback. Is this fine?

>>57245247
>1050 ti
Don't fall for the meme anon. It's 40% worse than 470 and costs almost as much

>>57245350
Top.

Get a Z170 mobo, and overclock that (yes, non-K skylake can OC with right z170 mobo/bios) shit.

are blue-ray optical drives a meme?
i want to buy a blue-ray/cd combo drive for 80 kraut bucks to wantch good quality anime

Is AMD FX-8320 still worth it?

>>57245355
100p accurate

>>57245350
Top one, no contest. If you're spending that much on a computer it'd be a huge mistake not to get an SSD.

>>57245381
Somewhat, yes. People keep buying them to "futureproof" even though they'll never play any blurays on them. You don't even need a dvd drive these days.

But if you're one of those people who actually own bluray disks then go ahead and buy a drive for them too. Would be stupid not to.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rd2bkT

Just wanted to get some opinions on this system. This will be used as a budget headless server for single-precision OpenCL programming. We will also develop multi-threaded software, so more cores will always come in handy.

>>57245350
If 500gb is too much you could buy 128gb or 250gb instead. Also Samsung is not the only manufacturer of SSDs, you can get a no-name one for pretty cheap and it'öö be almost as fast.

Anybody got a build list made of nothing but meme parts?

>>57245412
Do you think 650 watts would be enough to power that?

I am a fag on a budget,looking to buy an used 980.Which one is the best overall?

>>57245459
500W is more than enough for any single-graphics card system.

>>57245286
>budget part is disappointing compared to flagship

???

>>57245487
Dont forget to check the prices of 1060 GTX.

They are roughly same as 980 GTX. If the prices are close, might as well get the 1060.

>>57245381
Got a collection of DVDs/Blurays? Get the drive. If not, I would say it is not worth it. You can easily get any digital media from the interwebs.

Are used hdd worth buying?

>>57245520
Nvidia has monopoly over high-end but AMD has control over low-end card market. 1050ti was supposed to beat AMD with superior pascal architecture but it ended up being as expensive as 470 with 60% of its performance.

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>>57245520
>>57245520
>480
>flagship

>>57245420
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rd2bkT
That is a bit pricey. I would suggest you get higher clocked 16GB RAM, instead of 32GB slow RAM. Or higher clocked 32GB RAM, if you know you need it.

What is the GPU for?

>>57245635
Why would you? Hard drives are not that expensive and used ones are very likely to be at the end of their expected lifetime. Only buy one if you get it very cheap.

>>57245520

Its priced at the 470s tier with way shittier performance thats a disappointment lad

>>57245635
No.

>>57245487
What are your options? And at what price? If it is not much cheaper than $250, it is not worth it.

I'm worried about having a 500gb SSD as my only hard drive. I've heard that it stresses and dies quickly

>>57245420
Take a look at this: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/MpPgPs

>>57245685
Normal usage? You will probably get 10+ years of life. No need to worry.

>>57245659
Cheap? 1TB HDD costs 1 week of my salary.

>>57245720
So... save?

>>57245670
>>57245580
I am a Europoor with a 300€ budget.

>>57245766
Just check local prices of the 1060 6GB and compare them to the used 980's. If the 980 is close in price, get the 1060 instead.

>>57245720
You have a shitty wage then. 1TB WD blue costs 60 euros here, which is 6-7 hours of work in a local convenience store.

>>57245648
Some of the software we write will likely be RAM-hungry, so I wanted to future-proof myself in that regard, I'll look at higher clocked RAM. The GPU is the heart of the system, since we are mostly going to do parallel programming via OpenCL.

>>57245711
Thanks, I'll take a look

Motherboard for an i3 4130t with ecc support?

Need help

I think my mother board is too outdated or the pcie slot might be having some issues as my new 1070 doesn't seem to be detected by my computer no matter what I do. Because my case and mobo are old as fuck and actually pretty dirty I wouldn't mind just getting some new ones to test out if it's really the mother board or maybe a faulty GPU that needs to be RMA. Also having a micro atx is fucking hell when I have to go in there and do anything since everything is so tightly packed I have to unplug certain things and have troubles putting everything back with my giant sausage fingers.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/jPCFXH

This is what I have can anyone recommend a new Case + mobo prefereable non micro/mini so I can have room? MY GPU just barely fit and I think the size of it all might be preventing the gpu from sitting correctly in the pcie slot. Can't even use the second slot because there is no room.

Would it be possible with a budget of 200-300? I figure the RAM might be a limiting factor because 1333 freq is very old or something so I might be inclined to swap that out too. But I need to keep the CPU because I can't afford to upgrade that right now.

if i'm getting a 1070 should I opt for a 1440 monitor? will I be wasting a lot of its potential if I just went for a 1080 monitor?

>>57246188
PCI is backwards compatible. You can slot a PCIe card in a PCI slot, it will just run at PCI speed. It also works visa versa. Most likely the board is just dead now.

RAM is not an issue the main thing is the CPU sockett since you need a 1155 but those arent sold in stores anymore so you're gonna have to buy one second hand.

>>57246343
If you are going for 1080p with a 1070 I would advise getting a screen with 144hz refresh rate. Otherwise you're probably better off getting a 1440p screen at 60hz.

>>57246443
>board is dead

I can put my 960 which I had previously in it and works fine. Wondering if just RMA the gpu would be the true fix.

>>57246443
Also if I did want to upgrade my CPU so I can take advantage of new sockets what price am I looking at for 2k gaming. 200?

>>57243358
>>57243634
if the temp says 110 but you are not burning yourself when you touch the heatsinks, it's not actually hot, you have a faulty sensor and can ignore it.

also mobo heatsinks ARE removable.

run memtest, intelburntest and furmark

>>57243077
because it's a fucking budget build and regular SATA SSDs are half the price for same size.

>>57243207
i bet he isnt using standoff

>>57243871
bad price for a non-z170 mobo.
dont get ram with huge heatsinks that stick up.
2TB HDD is almost same price as 1TB now.
just pirate windows.

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qK6qbj

>>57245173
test a single stick in one of those slots, then move it to the other and try.
then test the other stick the same way.
if one slot doesnt work with any stick it's broken and you should RMA.

>>57245350
make a PCPARTPICKER list.
you dont have to get a samsung, but SSD is always recommended.
also there isnt a 6400K cpu.
i wouldnt get any mobo that's not z170 cus they're getting very affordable.

>>57245420
get a XEON and ECC Reg ram

>>57246551
if other GPU works fine in the same slot on the mobo then your new GPU is dead or not getting enough power from the PSU, but IIRC you had a decent PSU.

>>57246188
>>57246588
is that list what you have or want to have? mark shit you have as purchased with the cog icon on the right next to the price

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So, I've been wanting to upgrade my build for a little while now, and yesterday I upgraded from 6GB RAM to 12. And I thought about what upgrade to make next, and since I'm satisfied with how my PC performs when it comes to games etc, I decided I want to get an SSD next. But I'm not sure which type of SSD to get, and I can't say I've gotten my head around the differences of the types of SSDs that exist.

I first thought about getting a M.2 SSD, but I'm pretty sure I don't have a port for that. So I thought I could get a PCIe adapter and plug that in, but it seems like I only have PCIe 2.0 and not 3.0, so would a M.2 be a waste in that case? Or should I just go with an old SATA.

Pic related is my build.

>>57246881
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/mq6qbj

Yes its all parts that I have. Going to pick up new mobo + case + cpu because I want to say its the case mobo combination that isn't letting the card sit properly in the slot.
I'm also getting it new because those are my most outdated parts anyway and very dirty like I would need to run it all under the sink. The part that you would use as a psuedo stand right next to the teeth where the display port/hdmi side, the metal part that sticks out and goes sort've behind the mother board seems like it's 1/16th of an inch longer than my 960.

Most importantly the GPU does not "click" in like If I try to push the ejector side piece there isn't any resistance to it as if it was never fully pushed in to begin with but it would not be possible to push in any further as the actual ejector and the metal stand thing as I'm calling it would not allow for the gpu to get it's teeth any deeper into the slot. I can pull out the gpu after placing it as deep as it can go without having to press the ejector thing. I figure this is also a big deal despite the card turning on it's LEDS and fans which only happens when it's in the slot the best that I can place it, I've figured it was "good enough".

Also even if this all worked the card is so big and heavy that if I tried to stand my case upwards it feels like it would bend the gpu over time since it has no support at all other than the back plate but it still feels flimsy.
I live near a newegg warehouse so I can pick up new shit same day if I wanted to.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/67rYWX
How's this so far?

>>57247343
just get a regular sata ssd. you can get 2 and raid them to get almost the same performance and price as pci-e or m2 drives

>>57247415
Objectively a good build, you can buy this. Personally i'd get a differenc cooler for and mobo.

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Just to preface, I know very little about hardware, so bear with me.

>>57242077
I'm definitely not intending on overclocking, but the faster RAM support sounds nice. Would that make a noticeable difference?

> async monitors dont cost extra
What does this mean?
Wouldn't I want the extra 2GB video memory for something like Star Citizen? Presumably it'll be pretty texture heavy. Or would it not make that much of a difference? Does the XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB look good/have those benefits you listed too? (http://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/d8rcCJ/xfx-radeon-rx-480-8gb-xxx-oc-video-card-rx-480m8bfa6)

>There should be cheaper SSDs for around same size.
This one got a good review though, and speed is a priority since I'll be loading and unloading a lot of music production libraries.

> drop the Wifi
Unfortunately the router's down the other end of the house :(
wrt ac, I doubt my router supports it anyway.

>>57242321
> GA-Z170-HD3
Hmm, I'm keen on at least one USB type-c port, would the ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming K4 be a good option? (http://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/GYH48d/asrock-motherboard-fatal1tyz170gamingk4)

I deliberately went with 16GB of RAM because music DAW projects can often get enormous.

I was actually originally going to go with the OCZ Trion until I saw this review: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947864/storage/ocz-trion-100-review-an-affordable-ssd-with-a-problem.html That much slowdown is a dealbreaker for me.

> live with adding a HDD for storage later
Actually, yeah I can, come to think of it. Good suggestion, cheers haha.

Updated somewhat based on suggestions, now with less sticky uppy RAM, no HDD, different Mobo and graphics card!

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/HcC4NN

Cheers for the help guys!

>>57247494
Alright thanks, is there a "best" SSD for ~100 bucks?

>>57247415
>>57247548
I agree with good build and maybe better cooler if you want to OC.

>>57247583
>I'm definitely not intending on overclocking, but the faster RAM support sounds nice. Would that make a noticeable difference?
yes you can get up to 10% extra performance. also it's nice if you ever decide you want to OC in the future (you can OC non-K cpu).

>>async monitors dont cost extra
>What does this mean?
nvidia tax $100 extra cost for gsync monitors but AMD give you Freesync for no cost.

>Wouldn't I want the extra 2GB video memory
neither 1060 or 480 has enough raw power to really use the extra VRAM on high resolutions (and more vram is only useful on higher resolutions).
>Does the XFX Radeon RX 480 8GB look good/have those benefits you listed too?
All current generation AMD cards have those benefits (driver improvements, dx12 and freesync)

>would the ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming K4 be a good option?
if you really want that usb C and dont mind the extra cost, sure.

>I deliberately went with 16GB of RAM because music DAW projects can often get enormous.
alright, just swap our the one i chose for a 16GB kit with same speed

>I was actually originally going to go with the OCZ Trion until I saw this review
damn didnt know that. deffo get something else then.

>http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/HcC4NN
3000Mhz RAM is the sweetspot

>>57247607
do you want two for $100 or two for $100 each?

>>57243634
>motherboard heatsinks aren't removable
Bullshit. I've been removing heatsinks on LGA771/775/1366/2011/1155 motherboards when I needed to replace them with slabs of finned copper. You just have to be gentle with the plastic pushpins and gently pry them off to remove the adhesion from the thermal pads/paste.

>>57247583
>Would that make a noticeable difference?
Not really, no. The problem is that with faster RAM timings, the CAS latencies go up as well to a point where you really don't see the benefit of the faster bendwidth due to how many cycles it takes to process instructions. Beyond 3600MHz, you can actually see some RAM sets decline in performance due to their absurdly high CAS latency (17!? WTF?).
Also, most programs and games are not properly optimized to take advantage of faster RAM. Mostly file compression software and some production software.
>What does this mean?
Freesync monitors don't cost as much as GSync monitors, but Freesync monitors are almost always inferior in quality due to pricing structures.

>>57247769
> neither 1060 or 480 has enough raw power to really use the extra VRAM
So what's the point of offering 1060s and 480s with more VRAM? to be able to charge more?
If there's really no benefit then I might switch to the 4GB Sapphire card you suggested, otherwise I might stick with the 8GB XFX, in case I upgrade my monitor in the future.

Switched to Corsair 16gb 3000. The G.skill ripjaws V in 3200 is about the same price as the corsair 3000 one though, whereas the Corsair 3200 is $15 more. Is the heatsink on the ripjaws really that big a deal? Is it likely to get in the way or something?

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/6PXJkT

>>57247855
100 each.

>>57248574
>So what's the point of offering 1060s and 480s with more VRAM? to be able to charge more?
In future you might get better textures which need more memory. Five years ago people would have said that 1GB is enough and paying extra for 2GB model woudnt be worth it, but that extra gigabyte allows for higher texture settings in todays games.

So 4GB is enough at the moment. Current games do not need more than that in 1080p or 1440p, and you're not playing in 4k without gtx 1080 or at least 1070. This might change in future, but at that point your card will be pretty weak in other areas. It's invest more for "futureproof" meme vs. save money now and spend it later for more powerful card.

>>57248513
incorrect for games, it can give up to 10% boost.

>>57248574
marketing

>>57248574
if you're not getting a huge cooler you can get away with the big heatsink ram, and i'd probably get the cheaper ones if the price is that much higher for smaller heatsinks.

>>57248581
http://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#S=400000,10000000&t=0&i=25&sort=a10&page=1&X=8860,12605

>>57248694
Yeah by the time that extra VRAM would become useful it would be time to upgrade anyway.

>>57248513
So, what speed would you recommend? Where do the CAS-latency-caused diminishing returns kick in hard?

>not properly optimized
Presumably development will catch up though, right?

>>57248513
>>57248694
>>57248729

Tbh, the price is about where I want it, and I'm not interested enough in learning about the gory details of memory access to optimise further for value. Additionally, not being a hardware aficionado, I'm not likely to upgrade my graphics card any time soon. I'm just gonna go with the higher numbers. Future proof meme, 8GB of VRAM and DDR4-3200 sticks it is.

I think I'll pull the trigger: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/wtC4NN

>>57248729
>incorrect for games, it can give up to 10% boost.
Incorrect for only a handful of games. You get a much better and widespread boost in performance with faster CPUs than you do with faster RAM kits. Most games aren't even optimized for higher memory bandwidth and show little to no benefits whatsoever. Skylake is the first generation of Intel chips that are sensitive to memory speed, but not by any significant degree that is worth the added cost of an XMP-enabled motherboard and higher clocked memory kits.
An overclocked GPU yields a much better cost-to-performance-gain ratio than faster memory.

>>57248761
The sweet spot is 3000-3200 MHz RAM with at least 15 CAS latency. But again, it's not that much of a benefit that's worth the $150-200 that a pair of those RAM will cost you.

>>57249171
16GB 3000Mhz kit is less than $100

>>57249211
I bet its CAS latency is 17 or worse.

>>57249254
Nope. mostly 16 but you can also find 15

>>57249282
>>57249254
http://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#X=0,11592&s=403000,403200&Z=16384002&L=0,160&sort=a10&page=1

>>57249282
Then go for it. DDR3/4 prices have been climbing recently thanks to flash shortages across the industry, so it might not stay the same for very long.

If I do a major hardware upgrade (planning on new mobo, cpu, and ram), do I have to do a fresh install of windows or will everything be the same upon bootup?

>>57249380
maybe, maybe not. it's highly recommended so you dont get any issues.

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Built this weekend

>>57243871
>4gb rx 470 for $279.99

you can do better than that m8. last week i bought a msi gaming x gtx 1060 6gb for only $240.

explore this subreddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/?sort=new%2F

you can easily find 8gb rx 480s for cheaper than that 4gb rx 470

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>>57249397
>dem top vents

>>57243871
like, i just found this for you

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814202224

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>>57249397

>>57249380
>planning on new mobo, cpu, and ram
No for RAM, maybe for CPU, yes for motherboard ESPECIALLY if you swap from one manufacturer to another or one generation to another. RAM doesn't really have anything that needs drivers and updates for (apart from XMP profile settings, but that's done through your BIOS, not your OS). CPU can have some funky software or instruction set limitation (especially with Intel chips below the i3) even within the same socket and generation that will probably need updates or new drivers to implement. You're better off doing a complete reinstall to make sure nothing screwy happens in the background.
Motherboards are one of the most affected components in the OS, so you'll find that certain features and OS integrations will no longer work or act the same after a motherboard change. Sound drivers, USB drivers, Ethernet driver, Wifi drivers, and chipset drivers all need an update or refresh in order to function properly with the OS, but it is almost always safer to do a refresh of the OS (not a complete reinstall). This is especially true if you're moving from AMD to Intel, chipset to chipest, or socket to socket.

>>57249439
but he's in canada...

>>57242777
remove ssd and get one when u get more money
get a rx 470 or gtx 1050 ti with that money

Gonna get a huge amount of money in uncles will and new to this
Is this good??
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/vhGbkT

>>57249674
better to remove hdd so you dont have to reinstall or clone the drive to get your OS on the SSD.

>>57246881
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kb8R4C

>>57249742
>this """"""joke"""""" was never made before
>>>/b/

>>57249902
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/PbrRFd

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>>57247400
I'm this guy and this is what I decided to buy to replace my old Mobo and case and had to get a new CPU since new socket. It's basically the same performance as my old i5-2500 so if I decide to upgrade I'll have that option with new Mobo. Also finally won't have to deal with babby sized case and Mobo this 1070 is the size of my forearm.

I just reinstalled win 7 on my hdd but from im reading in this thread I'm going to have to reinstall it again when I have the new Mobo setup right? Also HSF are pretty universal right ? I just figured I'd slap on my old one on the new CPU. Will prob buy a new one in the future since it's dirty as fuck.

Im pretty sure if I took a picture of my case with current set up I would easily begin to circulate in gore threads.

>>57250041
Not a joke i am new to this :^(

>>57241969
That's not how you fucking put the RAM in, faggot. It's a 1-2-3-4 arrangement, where you put the sticks in 1,3 or 2,4, basically every other slot. Look up your fucking mobo manual.

>>57250062
>It's basically the same performance as my old i5-2500
You should have got a 1060 or RX470/480 and waited until Cannon Lake... This is like 300 straight out of the window.

>>57242155
>that ram seems very cramped, put them in other slots (this is why i tell retards not to buy ram with huge heatsinks).
You're a retard. The reason why you should always put two stick of RAM on alternating/color-matched slots is because that's how you get those pairs to operate in dual channel mode. Putting two RAM sticks in adjacent slots will cause them to run in a single channel, which might not even boot on certain motherboards if the RAM pairing is greater than 8GB total.

>>57243077
Oem M2 are almost all SATA-based
A fucking SATA cable and a power cable isn't going to hurt anything in a case
The only M2s that aren't 500 write speed are 950s (which even then are under 2000MB/s and are absolutely not $100 for 256GB)
M2s kick ass, they're great for sure and I like mine, but a good sata SSD is alms or comparable to it and much much much cheaper, an NVMe drive just isn't useful in a budget build

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>>57244697
You know what else saves power, wear and noise

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/6FhFXH
Anything I should change?

>>57250488
>The only M2s that aren't 500 write speed are 950s
Or Samsung SM951/XP941/PM951/PM961, Kingston Predator M.2, Plextor M6e/M8Pe, Eluktro Pro-X, Intel 600p, OCZ RD400, etc.

>>57242645
/fa gs say cop a lot. That's why I went there once and never more.

>>57250530
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/TpLFXH
Edited it slightly.

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When are the next tier cards coming out for Nvidia/AMD?

Taking bets.

>>57249171
This general decided to shill 3000mhz specifically because of price/MHz, not performance at all.
RAM performance is situational and changes from program to program, 3000mhz will absolutely not give you a 10% performance increase but it will raises the minimum fps up a few frames
And 3000Mhz ram costs the same or $5 more than 2133mhz ram in America, that's why you should get it, because it's cheap and it's better, not because you need the performance but because it's at most $5 extra

>>57250597
1080 Ti is supposedly being announced January.

>>57249321
3000mhz CAS 15 (only older models of ram is 16 or worse it seems) has been less than $80 for like 6 months at least

>>57250597
Polaris is going to be phased out or supplemented by Vega because of how poorly they're fairing against the lower-end Pascals. Vega will be a newer architecture with less carryover from the previous GCN architectures found in the 28nm GPUs. Pascal's replacements are also coming with faster clock frequencies on refined versions of the Pascal architecture. Most will still be "16nm", although I think Nvidia made motions that Samsung's 14nm process will be used more frequently for lower-end chips due to availability.
Volta isn't due out yet, not until late 2017.


>>57250618
>3000mhz will absolutely not give you a 10% performance increase
I never said it'd give you a 10% performance increase, I said that only 10% of current games benefit from faster RAM. And even that is marginal. Again, you get better, more consistent gains from overclocking your CPU over having faster RAM. Also, 2133MHz DDR4 is still cheaper than an equivalent pair at higher clock frequencies (except for 2400MHz, which has reached price parity on all levels).

>>57250638
Check your prices again. There is a shortage going on thanks to higher demands from the SSD market.

>>57250558
I wasn't including the Samsung XX1's because that's AHCI, basically just super-SATA
OCZ is a good one, I didn't mention that but it's basically the only comparable option to a 950
600p does have 500MB/s speeds and for anything other than seq read, is just as fast as a sata SSD
Let me rewrite that, the only m2s that aren't 500MB/s are expensive
850 Evos are $100 nowadays, for a budget build that's awesome

>>57250712
>check prices again
Oh shit, 3000mhz g skill ram was cheaper than 2133 when I bought it, and now it's $4 more
Fuck

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OK look dude

I don't see F4-2400C15D-16GVR on the compatible memory table list for that motherboard

Other than that what you need to do is pull everything out of the board except the CPU (& fan of course), even the RAM. That has onboard video so we'll try that before a video card.

I hope you have a PC speaker. You need to hook that bitch up, boot up and listen for the beeps. If you get a "no RAM" beep, put a stick in and boot again; if you get the same "no RAM" error try a different stick. If you STILL get a "no RAM" error try another slot.

If you hear another set of error beeps look them up and go from there.

>>57250736
And like someone else said, two cheap sata SSDs in raid 0 can match or even beat NVMe drive speeds
I love my M2 but I also love my ssd raid, they're comparably fast

>>57250712
>Polaris is going to be phased out or supplemented by Vega because of how poorly they're fairing against the lower-end Pascals
Wat. They're actually pretty good for low to mid tier. RX 470 destroys 1050ti in benchmarks, 460 is the ultimate poorfag card and 480 is cheap compared to 1060. They have fat better price per performance, Nvidia cards seem overpriced in comparison.

1070 & 1080 do not have any competition at the moment but Polaris was never supposed to rival them.

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aw fuck

>>57250790

was meant for

>>57241969

Is the 1070 good enough for 1440p@144hz?

>>57250530
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/fmzhjc
Nice choice of GPU btw.

>>57250866
Not really, 144hz is a lot to ask
1440p at 60, or 90, or even 120Fps with settings turned down is doable
Unless you're talking about 144fps on CS:GO, which is fine because that game runs on toasters

>>57250866
You'll have to drop settings down to keep 144hz in latest titles. If you're really focused on 1440p@144hz then get a 1080, preferrably the TI model.

>>57250897
>>57250916
CS:GO is the main reason I want 144hz, thanks for the info. I don't really care about frames as much in non-shooter AAA titles.

>>57250927
You can expect like 300 fps with a 1070 in CS:GO if your CPU isn't total crap

>>57250451
>You should have waited until x when y comes out also when it does comes out you should wait for z instead infinite loop

>>57241601
Any Nvidia shill around here?

My pc specs:
>8mb 1600mhz Corsair
>i5-4690k
>HD 7970 Ghz Edition Vapor-X 3GB
>MBOARD: z97m-plus
Computer can run games like Far Cry Primal from 35 to 45 FPS, if I was to drop that GPU for "ASUS GeForce GTX1060 Dual 6GB GDDR5" would I gain more FPS? Or should I get 16 GB mram instead?

Where are all the 1050ti benchmarks and comparisons?

>>57251086
No. "Upgrading" from equally performant hardware to another just because is not that smart..

>>57251218
I think you should upgrade from 8mb to 8 gb at least, anon.

On a more serious note; RAM doesnt give a single fps as long as you got enough. Check your RAM usage, if it isnt above 90% then don't bother.

1060 6GB will give you roughly 50 fps according to this video. You can find benchmarks for popular cards fairly easily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJEHRGHszJI

>>57251267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ic_DZ_gGl0
TL:DW; it's somewhere between 460 and 470 in performance. Usually closer to 460, and because it costs almost as much as 470 it has bad price per performance ratio.

Get RX 470, 1050ti doesn't make sense unless you have a hard budget limit and can't afford anything better. If you want something cheap then get 460 instead, it's good enough for poorfags.

>>57251316
Except it wasn't meant as an upgrade u nerd

>>57251342
I think Firefox consumes more mram than most games I play and it is 3gb. That video I am guessing i7-5820K is far better than my CPU.

Though if the GPU change could get me an almost stable 45~50 FPS it could be good, now I just need to somehow purchase it with a good price in my country.

>>57250736
>Samsung XX1's because that's AHCI
What are you talking about. All the SM/PM9X1s are now NVMe.

>>57251442
Most video games are very light on CPU use, 4690k should be good enough especially if you overclock it. GPU change will give you better performance, 7970 is very old card these days.

>>57251342
>>57251442
btw is this website good for comparison? http://www.game-debate.com/gpu/index.php?gid=3670&gid2=975&compare=geforce-gtx-1060-asus-dual-6gb-vs-radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition

If it is, I probably won't come here in /g/ ask about stuff if it gives an accurate comparison review

>>57250813
>RX 470 destroys 1050ti in benchmarks
And costs $20-40 more.
>460 is the ultimate poorfag card
And yet does worse than the 950 it was meant to compete with and undercut and now the 1050 runs rings around it at the same exact price range.
>480 is cheap compared to 1060
Not always true outside the US and the 1060 still beats it in many games.
>They have fat better price per performance
You can save $10 with a 460 over a 1050 and get 80-85% of the performance, or buy a 1050 Ti for $30 less than a 470 and get 90% of the performance and much less power usage.

Pretty new to all of this

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/KD92r7


Is this any good?

>>57251591
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/KD92r7
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/jMzhjc
Compare my price to yours. Your performance will largely be the same (if not better thanks to the higher frequency RAM and better thermal overhead)

>>57251591
>Is this any good?
>1800 Dollars of pure autism
Short answer: fuck no.
Read the OP, fuck off, do your research and then come back. Don't expect to be spoon-fed like a baby.

>>57251685
>>57251730
in my "defense" most of those listed items were at a lower price than listed since i bought them from a local store

>>57251757
And to counter your defense, I activate my "faggot you still overspent on components that has more shit you don't need" trap card.
I now put my "you've got a serious case of buyer's remorse" in attack position and end my turn.

>>57251730
The power supply is too expensive and the cooler could be better if he wants to OC, the case is expensive and the whole setup could be changed into mATX easily, but come on it's not horrible for a 6700k/1080 setup

>>57251794
>the cooler could be better if he wants to OC
That's not the Hyper 212. That's the faggot tryhard little brother than writes checks it can't cash. The TX4 is another exercise in brand recognition overwhelming the facts of its performance. It is not letting that 6700K go past 4.6GHz without throttling.

>>57250530
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/8CGbkT
Should I go with the P2 instead of G2 since it's not that much more expensive?

Rate my shittier budget build(i plan to buy it)

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/JrNx9W

>>57251784
That 1080 was actually 500 dollarydoos since some faggot bought another one and returned that one without touching it
>nuthin personel kid

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>>57251784
Nicely memed, anon.
I play my "Designated carpet of prohibited defecating" plains/artifact card. The carpet is invincible and all pajeets are removed from existence.

>>57251948
>all the other autism is ok since I got a 1080 $100 cheaper
toplel

If I would ever want to buy water cooling (120mm) for i7-6700k, which model would be better cost/performance?

I heard positive opinions about Corsair H60 and H80i.

>>57252006
>closed loop

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Finalized my build. Any suggestions for this small form factor build for basic computing with some gaming/editing videos? I will get the 6600k or 6700k depending on the BF sales. I can probably add an HDD under the blower gpu as well. Biggest I have is a 500 gb WD Blue from 2009 though.

>>57251991
not $100, $180
get it right

>>57252034
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dpt98K

>>57252006
Nothing single fan will be better than a good air cooler. And not all dual fans are better than a good air cooler
$20 air coolers are minimum, a little more and you can get much better ones

>>57241969
Ram is installed improperly. It's color coded for fucks sake. If that doesn't work, I reseat your cpu. When installing the cooler remember to just tighten until snug. If it persists, back the screws on the cooler off a half turn each.

>>57252014

Right now Im using SilentiumPC Fera 3 (www.silentiumpc.com/en/fera-3-he1224/ ) but I got told that 85C during heavy use on first two cores (two other at 75C) is way too high, so I want to know, if I would need better cooling in the future.

This is the first time Im NOT using stock cooler. Forgive me being green.

>>57252063
Do some research on custom loops if you really want good performance on liquid cooling, otherwise just go with Noctua or Be Quiet! coolers. Most 120mm closed loops perform like shit with an OC underload.

>>57251893
I just bought that case, except in Rice Red.

NO RUBBER GROMMETS

>>57251893
Guys seriously i need halp

>>57241601
What's that thing on the lower left?

>>57252098
Well fuck how are you going to solve that problem?

>>57251948
I wasn't talking about your graphics card, I was talking about literally everything else

>>57242632
Why not just run a 1660 v4?

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Should I just wait until black friday to pull the trigger on a new rig?

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>>57251893

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>>57252088

I know that NH-U12S/14S are really good coolers and all, but they are arso really expensive, especially, when I have to multiply every price by 4,5.

I just dont want to have episodes of "Cooking with Intel" everytime I run some really demanding task.

I dont understand, why Im getting such performance, tho. Cooler Im using right now was supposed to work with max TDP of 180. Im pretty sure I applied paste right. Airflow is fine too, I checked it myself.

First time I get outside "mid specs" and Im already deep in trouble.

>>57252006
Just use this as a guide
From worst to best
>120mm flat (thin fan)
>140mm flat (thin fan) = 120mm flat
>140mm flat
>92mm tower (single)
>120mm tower (single)
>140mm tower (single)
>120mm tower (dual fan) = 120mm AIO (sub 27mm radiator, single fan)
>140mm AIO (single fan) = 120mm AIO (27mm+ radiator, single fan)
>140mm AIO (single fan) = 140mm tower (dual fan) = 120mm AIO (27mm+ radiator, push-pull)
>120mm dual tower = 140mm AIO (push-pull)
>140mm dual tower = 240mm AIO (sub 27mm radiator)
>240mm AIO (27mm+ radiator) = 280mm AIO (sub 27mm radiator)
>280 AIO (27mm+ radiator)
>360 AIO

>>57252408
And this is overly simplistic. There are other factors like how many heatpipes are in the air cooler, how thick they are, how much air do the fans pass through, etc.
This is also by how much heat the coolers are able to dissipate, not necessarily how cool your CPU will be. A good air cooler like Noctua will be able to keep an i7-6950X at 4.3GHz under 70 degrees like a 280mm AIO, but it will fall behind under higher constant heat stresses since liquid is a better heat transfer material than air.

eyeing the 1060 3gb right now. 480 4gb are at the same price. does 1gb of vram really make all the difference?

is it enough to keep me afloat for the next few years?

>>57252520
There's already a game or two where 3 GB isn't enough, and it's only going to get worse.

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r8 my noiseless seeding/torrent box
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/C488HN

So, is it still possible to install win 7 from a cd? It's just the usb installation that doesn't work on skylake right?

>>57252631
> is it still possible to install win 7 from a cd?
Yes. I did it on a new Skylake build last week
>It's just the usb installation that doesn't work on skylake right?
It still works, you just need to go over a few more hoops and barrels to get it to work beyond the initialization screen. In fact, it's the only way to install Windows 7 on an NVMe SSD in some cases.

>>57252631
>>57252668
Wait, whats this hoohah about Skylake needing extra steps?

>>57252681
Microsoft is really trying to push windows 10 for new pc builders

>>57252694
Yes but what exactly does this pairing do? What about Skylake makes it harder to install 7?

>>57252699
It makes it hard to install through usb, cd works just fine. Apparently the architecture of skylake makes it not agree with windows 7 or some bullshit.

>>57252630
What's the source of that webm?

>>57252720
>It makes it hard to install through usb
Yes but
W H Y
H
Y

I've literally asked the same question three times now

>>57252630
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/C488HN
>8GB
>wasting money with fucking ssd on a torrent box
reddit tire

Counterpoints:
>N3150 suffices, if you can get it cheaper
>slap fucking 16GB in there, the more the merrier
>128/256GB ssd for incoming is fine
>spend rest on shitty 5TB drives

For example:
N3150N-D2H
2x8GB noname
1x 256GB EVO 850
3x Seagate HDD 5TB ST5000VX0001

Seagate is crap, but they give 5yr warranty for it here. Either go for bullshit drive if you can get good warranty (3yr+), or look at backblaze batch reports to pick non faulting series.

>>57242027
>not knowing noctua

>>57252681
>>57252699
Certain Skylake motherboards and UEFI configurations don't play together very well. Even if you configure your boot drive to AHCI-mode, there is a chance that some Windows 7 install from an .iso will not recognize any drives as a formatted drive. Some motherboards even hang at the loading screen during the install.
MSI and Gigabyte had those issues and I think ASUS as well on their upper end models. Almost none of the boards will install Windows 7 on an NVMe drive without an .iso.

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>>57252750
Cool beans
Kinda figured it would have something to do with UEFI but wasn't sure

>>57252487
>>57252408

So, assuming that Corsair H60 cost the same as Noctua NH-U14S (in my country - 300 PLN or 66 EUR, if you wish), NH-12S cost a little less (250 PLN/55 EUR) and Corsair H80i V2 cost 400 PLN/89 EUR, which one would have best performance? And which one would you guys recommend for i7-6700k?

>>57252760
It's a fucking simple fix too. All the board makers had to do was enable booting from a USB with AHCI enabled from the very start.

>>57242009
Decent, but now you need to change the FX6300+mobo to i3 6100 + mobo

Also AMD's official MSRP for the 470 is down to 169USD

>>57252772
The H80i, but the NH-U14S would get very close to its performance and not sound like a propeller plane running into your room

>>57251893
>>57252115
>>57252273
This one is better for not much more. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/#view=ZhnQ7P
Just swap out the case and the video card

>>57252830

H80i is THAT loud?

Louder than my RX480 Nitro+?

>>57252911
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76OpiqG7SRY
See for yourself

Is the FX8350 2old by now? What should I get for a poor yet powerful build?

>>57251411
not that guy but you're fucking retarded to buy something that's not an upgrade unless it's broken.

>>57250481
>hurr durr durr
KYS you waste of oxygen stop arguing about pointless shit. all you had to say was RTFM.

>>57250588
looks good.

>>57251864
if you want, also the nh-d14 cooler is almost the same price as that one and better

>>57250712
>check your prices again
http://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#X=0,9880&s=403000,403200&Z=16384002&L=0,160&sort=a10&page=1

IMO there is no reason not to spend that extra $10 for faster RAM unless you're doing an ultra-nigger-budget build.

>>57250866
>>57250897
you dont need to match your FPS to the Hz, but it helps some.

>>57251218
why would you do that when RX 480 4GB is equal performance, wont get gimped by driver updates, has better dx12 support and wont jew you for another $100 if you want an ASYNC monitor?

>>57251502
470 is still better price/performance

>>57251591
yes but get a better cooler and you can tweak some other parts too to get the price down.

>>57251893
get 4GB RX 480 instead.>>57252631

remove HDD and spend it on a bigger SSD (you can buy a HDD later easy)
you forgot the PSU

>>57252034
>>57252049
looks fine

>>57252061
>implying it cant boot because of that
>implying it wont just run in single channel mode instead

>>57252631
>usb installation that doesn't work on skylake
wrong. it works fine.
>is it still possible to install win 7 from a cd?
why the fuck would it not? that's how the fucking thing was sold from the beginning to everyone....

>>57252720
>>57252733
just enable legacy USB or insert your mobo CD for usb3 drivers.

>>57252966
yes. how poor?

>>57252966
If you buy used 8350+mobo+RAM it's a good deal.
Could also buy a used i7 2600K or i7 3770K with mobo+RAM.

If you're buying new and that's your price range, get an i3 6100 and a z170 mobo and upgrade after the i7 prices fall.

>>57252982
If you don't want it looking like shit you'll match your fps to your Hz, or have g/freesync do it for you at all fps

>>57241601
What is the cheapest 1050Ti with a six pin PCIe power connector? The ones I see are all like $160

>>57253000
g/freesync only prevents tearing without locking your FPS

>>57253100
That's because it's "locked" at whatever fps you get
If you're getting 80fps on a 90hz screen, you'll want g/freesync

>>57253160
please provide a source that supports your claim that it will look like shit if you run 144hz with lower FPS.

>>57253178
>what is screen tearing

>>57248513
>>57248761
>>57249171
>>57249254
http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-performance-speed-latency

The higher clock speed combined with the higher cas latency equates to identical latency of memory half the speed / cas. 3200 18cas is equal to 1600 9cas in regards to latency. Ddr4 has higher bandwidth and ultimately more throughput with the same actual latency. Stop misinforming people.

>>57252282
Probably the thermal compound between the cpu and the ihs. Intel has become notoriously bad about the application process. What cooler are you using, though?

>>57253178
It'll only look bad if you're running significantly lower than your actual refresh rate with vsync off. It'll cause tearing and stuttering. With vsync on it can cause chopping. But if you can get at least 72fps with vsync on then you won't have any major issues.

>>57253248
Screen tearing only occurs when the FPS is higher than the refresh rate of the monitor.

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I'm going to get a 1050ti next week, I need a cheap replacement for some failed cards while I wait for proper 4k ready single card release.

I'm bouncing between the 1050ti and the 470 though, The 470 is £35 more expensive and I've always had bad experiences with AMD personally. Memes aside, fanboys fuck off, is it worth it? What should I do?

>>57253279

>What cooler are you using, though?

The one from >>57252063

>>57252830

So, again, NH-U14S will not only cost less, but also have same performance with lower noise?

Also, would it fit in Corsair 200R case?

Dear anons you tech illiterate fcks. Inlove speccy but the temps are almost bever right. CHECK BIOS FOR TEMPS FFS. B your ram is DDR3 at 666mhz. It's likely that why your PC is sluggish af. B open your fcking system tool and watch how much your CPU, HDD/SSD, Ram are working. And figure out what you are doing wrong. Kudo's Techi.

PS i forgot. Check your BIOS/ install Reg Keys if you are booting ahci raid or whatever. That van slow your system alot as well. No nees to trip. You van edit Reg key settings etc just google. Kudos Techi.

>>57241601
That is the sexiest PC I have ever seen, OP.

Details?

>>57252748
Thanks anon <3

1080p gaymen on a budget.
Paired with either an RX 470 or RX 480, should I take an i3 6300 or i5 6500?

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>>57253405

Get out, you illiterate mong.

>>57253386

Depends on how much you really want to spend. The 1050 Ti will be fine. The 470 will be slightly better.

>>57253178

The source is math, you numbskull.

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Why are you guys buying shit right now?

Fucking Black Friday is only a month away retards

should I build new PC now or would I be blowing my load too early?

Ive got the cash to do it but its pretty late in the current cycle

>>57253749
>falling for the Black Friday meme
I bet you vote Trump too

Are the 6600k and 6700k worth it or should I wait for next gen?

>>57252725
idqb that shit man, it's allover the place.

>>57253933
No and no

>>57252747
>N3150
Literally $5 cheaper and not worth the performance loss at that price difference.
>8GB
I only need 4GB at most. I'm running an x86 version of Linux Mint on it.
>wasting money with fucking ssd on a torrent box
What part of NO NOISE do you not understand, cuck? Those are the cheapest drives for the capacity.

>>57253400

Pretty please?

One review site says that max height for cpu cooler for 200r case is 160mm. Corsair own site claims that max height is 165mm.

NH-U14S have 165mm. I dont want to be retard and consider cooler that wont fit inside case.

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Alright bros. 4gb RX 480s are back at 200 bucks. Rx470's are still about 180. Should I pull the trigger on the 480 or grab a 1060 3gb? They're both 200

>>57254160
480
1060 3GB has 10% less CUDA cores than it's 6GB Counterpart.

Is there anything videocard specific that I need to worry about? Like physX being only fully supported by nvidia cards? (Old example, I know, but it's what came to mind.)

On a bit of a budget and I'm thinking my new pc will rock a 480

>>57253679
show me the math then

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This motherboard yes or no?

>>57254702
only if it has 5 year warranty

>>57252238
none of the E5-16xx series are dual socket capable.

new thread

>>57255681
new thread >>57255744

>>57252171
PSU

>>57255818
no it's the power phases n mosfets