Updating CPUs, SSDs

Good morning falcon, or should i say night.

Don't you think its time to add some H170 or B150 motherboards?

>no macbook tier

>>55070159
I probably will, now that the G4400 is in there.

>>55070174
It would also be a good idea to pair one if not both with the I3-6100 to save $20-$40.

>>55070201
Indeed, at least with one i3, since we have two tiers with that now.

You comments, suggestions, and criticisms are welcome.

>>55070467
I think using your tripcode outside of logicalincrements threads or on posts relating to logicalincrements is plainly retarded and bad practice

>>55070512
knowing where he is allows you to call him out if he needs to update logical increments or whatever. the tripcode gives a semblance of confidence that you're talking to the right guy and not just some idiot who's bored and wants to troll some people.

4chan allows you to post without registering. if you think you're truly "anonymous", you're a fucking retard. get over this /b/tard mentality and either ignore the name field or use it to inform the post's credibility (up or down). stop posting about it, because you just sound like a fucking faggot.

>>55070102
Is there a potato masher/super toaster budget build available on this thing?

>>55070546
if you can't scrounge together $170 for a computer, you should be looking for work, not building desktops.

>>55070552
170? Try 300 dollars, or current console prices. I'm feeling the itch to assemble an emulator build, too bad the anniversary pentium cpu build is no longer viable.

>>55070571
there's a destitute tier build for $170. if you're asking for a "potato masher budget" recommendation, I assumed it fell somewhere below the lowest budget.

>>55070571
Just buy a tablet

>>55070512
1- It would be a major hassle if I were to remove the tripcode and put it back on for every PC building related thread.
2- Are we not supposed to judge each post by its content, instead of by who posted it?

>>55070546
You can get by with a Raspberry Pi. But these builds are "gaming oriented", so even the absolutely cheapest tier can play old games. Any cheaper, and your gaming capabilities get impaired.

Gj Mr logical increments

>>55070571
For $300 you should be looking at used parts for sure.
Used i5-2400, new lga 1155 mobo is like $100-120. 8GB ram is like $40. PSU, consider a decent quality used one for $40. Then the rest goes to GPU, used 7950 perhaps.
As for case, just find something.

>>55070102
As long as the premium isn't a lot I think it's fine to increase the speed of the recommended ram in the "normal" tiers.

>>55070625
>As for case, just find something.
An old Nintendo case.

>>55070642
I am looking into it. It seems that now 2400MHz is the same price as 2133, so might as well use that as the minimum speed.

>>55070669
Ah in that case no reason not to I suppose. It won't make an appreciable difference in most cases but it can't really be worse.

>>55070669
I'm on a Haswell refresh build, should I get the highest DDR3 RAM supported by my mobo or will that make no real difference?

I was just going to make a thread
Using a 2009 MAD 955 w/ a 7870, what's the best CPU upgrade?
Looking at the FX-8350 but I'd like more speed or oc potential

>>55070715
For DDR3, the conventional wisdom was that going beyond 1600 (or 1866, if the price was the same) did not make much of a difference. This was evidenced by the plentiful benchmarks:
http://techbuyersguru.com/does-ram-speed-matter-ddr3-1600-vs-1866-2133-and-2400-games
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6372/memory-performance-16gb-ddr31333-to-ddr32400-on-ivy-bridge-igp-with-gskill
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-bandwidth-latency-gaming,3409.html

If you have the time to go through those, you will find that the performance difference was low, and the price increase (for DDR3) was high.

For DDR4, it seems that things are a bit different:
http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-intel-z170-finding-the-best-ddr4-memory-kit-speed_170340/6
http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/

It looks like the performance increase is worth it up to ~3000MHz, if you can afford it.

For you on DDR3, 1600/1866 is fine.

>>55070102
Are you as excited as I am for the looming Polaris, (smaller) Pascal, and Zen releases?

Hey Falcon, just wanna say thanks for being so ridiculously caring. I posted a quick anonymous question on your site a while ago expecting it to be lost, but you gave a really long and thoughtful response that seriously helped me out. You're the best, keep saving us all!

>>55070786
The $200 price point really deserves some love. I hope that the RX 480 is a knockout.

>>55070793
You are most welcome. Hopefully this helps /g/ as much as /g/ has helped me.

>>55070781
Interesting reads, thanks.

>>55070786
I really hope Zen shakes the market, AMD catching up to Intel in IPC will play merry hob with market prices.

>>55070741
>Looking at the FX-8350 but I'd like more speed or oc potential
That is AMD's best chip at the moment, barring the 9xxx stuff. If you want more power than that, you will need to switch to the dark side, maybe 6600K?

>>55070612
I think we're supposed to judge if the post is all about technology.

Yours, however, is just plain and simple consumerism.

get the fuck out to >>>/v/

>>55070845
I'm willing to spend 30-60 more for the 9xxx's
But I don't want to shell out if a release is nearby then see their prices fall

>Intel
>Buy a mobo
Not unless I picked up a Xeon board and processors for cheap

>>55071108
I find that the increased price and pricier required HSF make the FX 9xxx series illogical, when compared to the competition. Might as well save your $$$ and stick with a 8350/6350 instead. If you are gaming, you can use the saved $$$ to get a better GPU, which will have a more significant impact on your gaming.

Foul coon is foul

Any feedback on the CPU changes?

>>55071260
Needs more AMD

>>55071278
AMD has slowly been shrinking, when it comes to CPUs. If Intel had the brains to put the HD530 into its Skylake Celerons, it would do even better.

Hopefully, Zen will be good. AMD needs it.

>>55070908
>Yours, however, is just plain and simple consumerism.
And you think "consumerism" is mutually exclusive with technology? Or that computer parts aren't technology? Fuck off. A lot of technology is nothing but products so discussion about them is expected and even warranted. A well thought out thread about computer parts is a heck of a lot better than "should I buy this" "hey I just purchased" "how'd i do /g/" "my first build" "is this worth it" etc catalog clutter.

>>55071278
We're gonna get an explosion of AMD when Zen comes out. The shit wrecker did work on it.

>>55071396
>And you think "consumerism" is mutually exclusive with technology?

Absolutely yes. Money is no object. If you're more into comparing prices or on "why buy X when you ought to get Y instead" memes, fuck off to your materialism boards like >>>/v/ >>>/toy/ >>>/biz/ >>>/diy/

Falcon, question about this.

In Mexico for whatever reason 1150 motherboards are really rare or overpriced right now.

I was thinking of selling the I5-4460 i got and get a I5-6500 together with a H170 or a Z170 motherboard.
Is this a bad idea?

The i5-4460 has been laying there for a few months already and i haven't got the chance to use it because this anyway.

>>55071441
You mean an explosion of disappointment that's as timely as fusion power

>>55071501
If the total price (6500 price + 1151 mobo - revenue from selling 4460) is fine by you, go ahead. Just keep in mind that you will need DDR4 RAM as well, if you already have DDR3 and were not taking that into account.

That said: The performance increase from 4460 to 6500 is small, so going either way is fine. Whatever saves you $$$ is the best option.

>>55071566
Since i would be using the IGPU for a while i do see a great advantage of doing this because skylake IGPUS and DDR4 RAM.
Also the I5-4460 apparently doesn't met the minimum VR requeriments so this means i wont have to upgrade if i ever want to use it.
Also faster M2 slot.

Also, yes it would be really expensive, some motherboards are even twice the price they should be.
Getting a Z97 motherboard would be as expensive as get a Z170 and a third of the I5-6500, other motherboards are out stock and they have been since january.

>$40 case in the destitute tier

Are there really no cheaper cases out there? Seems kinda expensive

>>55071643
Cases can be bought for $20 and they will function just as well. It's just that OP will stop getting money from NZXT if he puts a cheaper case in the guide.

>>55071619
>some motherboards are even twice the price they should be.
Go for it then!

>>55071643
That is the price of the cheapest "good" cases. But I will make another check. You are right, $40 is a bit too much for that tier.

>>55071643
Yes if you want to sacrifice airflow, number of fans, USB 3.0, looks, how HDDs you can put on it, backspace, quality and how easy is to use it.

If you sacrifice all that you csn even go lower as $25-30.
Not worth it IMO.

Anyone have any experience with cases that come with their own PSU? How is the PSU?

>>55071717
Rule No.1 of building a PC.

Never cheap out in your PSU.

>>55071717
Usually, cases that have free PSUs are trash/fire hazard/ishygddt tier.

I will be afking for a couple of hours, then checking back on this thread. Please give me more suggestions, comments, and criticisms. Thank you.

>>55071742
I know that, I want to know if anyone has any horror stories to share. I know the diablotek case + psu combo was hell. So was the rosewill case + psu. But that was a while ago.

>>55071717
Buy only tier 1 and 2.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

Do not cheap out on PSU ever.

>>55071756
They are almost acceptable for low power machines but you should avoid them unless you want to play Russian roulette with your PC.

Just get a cheap EVGA PSU if you cant afford a good one.

>>55071717
My first PC 15 years ago utilized a case which came with some antec PSU. Luckily the thing lasted for about 5 years before finally dying. PSU quality has certainly improved since then so you would probably be okay, but I would still recommend buying your psu and case separately. If you have to wait another week or two in order to afford doing that then so be it.

>>55071767
>EVGA
>SuperNova G2 / P2 / T2 Super Flower

Whoa what, since when did SuperNova G2 become Tier 1? I have a 750w G2.

>>55071717
I'm assuming you are talking about regular mid/full tower cases and not HTTP and mini itx cases which sometimes come with their own PSU. The latter usually are good PSU so no need to worry about them, but they are usually pricier too.

>>55071791
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/evga-supernova-550-g2-power-supply,4244-8.html

Any advantage for picking a "Z" mobo instead of a H170 if I'm not going to overclock? For an i5 6500

>>55071889
You can use higher RAM speeds but really you should just get the cheapest H110 board with 2*8GiB DDR4-2133 RAM. The extra cost is not worth it.

>>55071474
That's idiotic, forget about the money and prices. What about the discussion about the plethora of different kinds of products which are technology and you yourself probably use every day? Are you a consumerist whore for purchasing a computer? Something like audio and computer electronics aren't suited to any other board than this. A lot of that discussion probably involves products but it isn't the only topic.

>>55071889
Depends on the motherboards.

Just get a GA-Z170XP-SLI and call it a day.

>>55071986
The problem is that prices scale up really quick from importing+resellers so that one ends up costing around $250 here in South America

>>55071964
>What about the discussion about the plethora of different kinds of products which are technology and you yourself probably use every day?

They are as you say it: products. Not technology per se, but products. Such rampant consumerism ought not to be of this board, and we'd be better keen on discussing actual technology (e.g. the differing implementations of video card hardware, versus their mere price.)

>>55072021
just rob some tourists like everyone else does in your country.

Thanks Falcon. Invaluable newbie guide. I've used it as a base myself.

I assume it'll need a serious update when Summit Ridge and Kaby Lake comes out, as well as Vega, Raven Ridge and friends, depending on how it all costs and performs of course. And how Intel responds on price.

For now, eh, if you really have to get a PC now. I've personally advised waiting until Q4 at this point. There is such a thing as a bad time to buy a PC.

>>55071786
Antec used to be Tier 1 PSUs, many moons ago. That was a long time ago; they fell somewhat. Their cases are still pretty good however. GF's PC has an Antec P100 (buttons on top disqualified Fractal Design, because the PC is where a cat could sleep on it) and it's a joy to work with.

You never go full cardboard PSU. Even with a potato PC, unless you want to seriously risk a baked potato. They are genuinely terrifying inside, could never recommend them to anyone for any price with a clear conscience.

I haven't seen a cheap case/PSU bundle with a decent PSU, because, well, cheap.

>>55072124
I doubt that much will change. even if all the info we have on Zen is true, it's still below skylake performance and kaby lake doesn't bring much improvement either.
both of these might not be in stock until december/january and who want's to buy them directly on release anyway?
waiting so long for a little price drop doesn't seem worth it for me.

>>55072026
They are both, obviously. The price aspect is boring but the technology in these PRODUCTS is not and definitely belongs to this board. Say, you want to discuss about the video codec on a new GPU model. Would you "fuck off to /v/" to discuss muh gayman product video card? Microsoft just acquired LinkedIn for a ridiculous amount of money? /biz/ right because this isn't technology related?

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>still no mobile site
FALCON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>55072446
>Say, you want to discuss about the video codec on a new GPU model. Would you "fuck off to /v/" to discuss muh gayman product video card?

Absolutely yes, fuck off to >>>/v/ unless you want to talk shop about how the various codecs perform on the said card, and how various minutiae especially against displays affect the visual quality (or heck, even talk about how {,in}accurate color reproduction is.)

If you want to talk about money (and its so obvious,) be a jew and go to >>>/pol/.

>>55072561
>if you want to talk about money go to /pol/
You mean /biz/, also no one talks about money in pol

>>55072613
Yes per >>55071474

Was much alluding to the obvious jewing.

>>55071756
I bought an "apevia" 1100w PSU back in 2009.

I read some reviews of it that said that it was actually perfectly efficient at ~600w actual power draw and it was cheap as fuck.

It exploded on me in 2014 or early 2015, can't remember exactly. Came back to apt after a while away and turned on the power supply: something went pop, and the magic smoke got out.

Nothing in computer got harmed though, dunno if that's my gigabyte golden dildo mobo or the PSU saved me from itself

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>>55070102
I feel like picking the motherboard is still the hardest part.
on the guide the text on them is literally copy pasted for multiple boards, I guess there's just not much of a difference but this makes it hard to choose.

how the fuck am I supposed to choose between pic related?
doesn't one of the manufacturers have some advantage over the others? (better bios or reliability or something)

>>55070102
I didn't know the guy behind logical increments was one of /g/'s own tripfags. I found your chart very useful for my first PC build, thank you for making it.

>>55072798
honestly the only things that matter to me in a mobo:-
>it doesn't throttle anything
>it has at least 3 year warranty
>has 2 lan ports
>has at least 4 usb ports

all the meme tier hd audio gimmicks are wastes of money, and I doubt that e.g. the capacitor quality of the highly-priced end is actually that different from the ones in your pic

>>55072798
First one to go on sale. I just got an MSI Z-170A Pro for only $80 off newegg just before the sale ended.

>>55072798
Pro tip for gigabyte the UD stands for ultra durable and the single digit after it denotes how high in the lineup it is, so a UD 5 is going to be more expensive than UD 3 even though the chipset is the same UD 9 is the top of the line shit that is 300 dollars

Am back.

>>55071791
Superflower OEM. On the same tier as Seasonic!

>>55071889
Some additional features, such as extra expansions slots for everything. If you do not need those, and you are sure you do not want to overclock, you can buy a lesser chipset.

>>55072124
>There is such a thing as a bad time to buy a PC.
That is true, if you have a working machine and you have no need for a new one. But there will always be people who need machines "this week", or even "just lost my PC, and I work from home, need to buy a new machine TODAY" people.

>>55072552
The site was re-written from scratch to be responsive. But mobile needs a full redesign. Tables and mobiles are enemies.

>>55072798
Very often, manufacturers will price similarly-featured products at a similar price point. So the mobo from Asus, and the same-price competition from Gigabyte, will have very similar features.

Look for the better warranty, if the products are otherwise the same. If the warranty is ALSO identical... pick based on colour.

>>55072811
Guide has been shaped by /g/ since 2010.

Wow... that is 6 years! Have I been here that long?

>>55073035
Holy shit, guess I have you to thank for building my first PC. Good job Anon!

>>55073068
Most welcome. It is a community effort. The suggestions, comments, and criticisms I get in threads like these (and in email, too) are what makes it a good guide.

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>>55072798
Also: I plan to change the pop-up description for mobos to be like pic related, either this week, or next week. Hopefully, that will be more helpful than what there is now.

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Thank you mr falcon for the site.

I bought a Z97-PRO a while ago and I want to upgrade my main drive from a crappy Kingston 120gb SSD to a faster and larger one (also using this as an excuse to reinstall windows etc).

Should I be looking into M2 drives instead of SSD?

Thank you

>>55073133
Looks good with extra information. Maybe also add something regarding audio outputs? (I spent a while looking for a card with audio coax for my sound system and had to give up in the end).

Also I always struggle to scroll over items down. The popup menu goes below the item but if I want to check the description of the one it is covering I need to move the mouse around for then go downwards.
Not sure how you could go around this though.

>>55073190
Just checked. Maybe you just need to increase the spacing between the "box" and the "popup" just a tiny bit more.
If I mouse over slowly down between boxes then everything is fine... if I go any faster then the mouse goes into the box and does not fade into the popup box on the item below.

>>55073156
I have a Sandisk Ultra II, a Crucial BX100, and a Samsung SM951 (the prequel to the 950 Pro). In day-to-day usage, I do not feel the difference in speed between them, to be honest.

If the M2 drive you are looking at is similar (or close) in price to the SATA alternative, go for it. Otherwise, you are not missing out on much by sticking to a SATA SSD.

>>55073190
>>55073202
The popup is handled by a third party plugin: Qtip. Unfortunately, it loads the images only AFTER the popup is "popped", so it loads the popup with a smaller size the first time.

I am aware of the issue, but I am not sure what I can do about it. Will look into, if there is time.

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>>55073222
I can confirm. I have a W10 install on both my SSDs just so I can test this.

There is literally no difference in normal usage between my 950 Pro and my Seagate 600 SSD.


Though some games with larger loading screens do see a small benefit from the increased speed. Its not worth the cost if that's all you're after though.

>>55073156
Just get the Intel SSD 750. It goes directly into a PCIe slot instead of using the meme M2 formfactor.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9090/intel-ssd-750-pcie-ssd-review-nvme-for-the-client

>>55073249
>meme M2 formfactor
I mean, M.2 is a great form factor and if you can get an M.2 NVMe drive and your board supports x4 PCIe 3.0 M.2 drives, by all means, it's electrically identical to a "normal" PCIe SSD, but lies flat against the motherboard out of the way.

That being said, it's not worth a price premium.

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>>55070908
>telling the guy who made logical increments to go back to /v/

No friendo, you fuck off to /v/

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>>55073247
>>55073222
Thank you kind anons.

Is my drive about to rip in bytes? It feels substantially slower than it used to be.

>>55073371
>Is my drive about to rip in bytes?
Looks healthy. But 128GB is a small amount, considering today's capacities and prices.

>>55070102
Where GeFroce 1060 TI belongs there?

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>>55073371
i'd upgrade to a nice 850 pro or 850 evo, either 250 or 500GB size.

Those speeds aren't great, but its an older drive and pretty small capacity so its not that unusual. It was also never meant to be a high performance SSD. That being said, it's still slower than it would be new.


Here is my Seagate 600 480GB SSD.

>>55073238
Fuck off, Falcon

>>55073371
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>>55073442
and my 950 pro just for comparisons sake.

>>55073400
Depends on its price, and performance. Most of all, it needs to exist first.

>>55073488
>2gb/s read

wutt

>>55073624
M.2 over PCIe. Welcome to the future.

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>>55073624
NVMe using PCIe (M.2)

>>55073661
Wait, can i insert those into regular PCIe x8 slot, considering my x16 is busy with my gpu?

Better question is, are those SSDs ONLY for x16 slots?

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>>55073705
M.2 is even smaller than that, it's a PCIe 3.0 x4 slot.

Sits directly on the motherboard.

>>55073715
>mfw my H87 mobo doesn't have m2

REEEEEEE

>>55073705
Should be: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=12K-017B-00001

Not sure how it will work with full length, but IIRC, you can insert a smaller PCIe card into a full length slot and it will work fine.

>>55073729
Yea I think it's only on the Z series for the consumer chipsets.

As this anon (>>55073738) has pointed out however you can just use an adapter.

>>55073729
I do not think M.2 was out when H87 was out.

>>55073729

Z97 was the first consumer chipset to include M.2 iirc.

>>55073738
So, you're saying i can use this adapter on my h87 and have that insane ssd speed?

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>>55073828
its all using the PCI bus, so yea.

The only thing the newer chipsets do is have PCIe lanes for a special slot. That adapter gives you that slot but on a normal PCIe x16 slot.

>>55073849
Does h87 even support those ssd drives, i mean would i be able to install OS on it and expect everything to run ok?

>>55070467
i just want you to know, everybody at my place of work is using your website for their builds. You're doing a great job.

>>55073924
Send me an email and pics, and I will put you on the blog.

...not joking.

>>55073915
It would depend on your BIOS, some might. There isn't any reason it COULDN'T. but that doesnt mean your motherboard manufacturer updated their BIOS to allow it.

>>55073915
Depends on the UEFI implementation. If it's fully UEFI compliant, it'll be able to read the driver off the disk and all will work fine, but with rather slow booting, if it can't load the driver (most pre Z97 boards) it won't be bootable, but you can still use it as a data drive. If it has a NVMe driver built in (most Z97 and later boards) it'll be bootable and quick.

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>>55073694
You're doing it wong, mate. Here's my 950 Pro being 50% faster

>>55073987
alright, thanks!

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>>55074012
And here's a picture of how you mount one correctly so it gets cool air instead of sitting in the hot exhaust of the GPU

>>55074012
>he doesn't know there is a significant performance difference between the 250 and 500GB models.

Seriously buddy, tell me something I don't know.

Nothing about that result is out of the ordinary, and nothing about mine was either.

>>55074051
Ok, point taken, I didn't expect anyone to actually buy a 250 GB model.

>>55074068
Prices were different when these SSDs first came out. Not everyone can afford the 500GB version.

>>55074068
It's a boot drive, I have ~1.5TB of other SSDs I can use if I need more SSD storage. I certainly don't need more than 250GB of NVMe storage.

>>55074085
I bought mine August 2015. According to some reviews I found, prices were still release prices.
The 500GB model cost 60% more for 50% more speed and 100% more capacity.

When you buy a highest-end consumer SSD, you don't go for the gimped version.

>>55074174
Best performance, highest price. Second best, lower price.

>1700MB/s
>gimped
Come, lad.

>>55074174
You're trying to be an elitist for no reason here, both drives are pretty much untouchable outside of another NVMe drive.

>>55074233
If I were trying be elitist, I'd endorse the Intel 750 drives for 5% more speed at twice the price.

>>55074207
There is still the 1TB model, which doesn't offer any speed benefit over the 512 GB model because it uses the same number of NAND chips. But the 256 GB model uses a reduced number of chips, and thus has lower performance (internal raid benefits from higher chip count).
What you're suggesting is akin to recommending a 2 GB GPU because it's 90% of the speed of a 4 GB model for 80% of the price.

>>55074320
>80% of the price
In this case, 50%.

>>55074320
But why should I spend twice as much for something I know I wont use or need?

I have SSD storage space if I need it. There however is no practical need I see for more NVMe storage besides jerking off about it.

If it made sense to buy it I would have. However it is far more important to me to have a large number of HDDs, hence my 3x4TB HDD and 5TB HDD. It obviously wasnt a monetary reason why I didn't get the 500GB one, I just simply didn't need it.

>>55074352
Buying only what you need? Why... why that is anti-consumerism, which is akin to anti-capitalism! Dirty commie!

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>>55070102
falcon pls respond
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/grsP6X
for the gpu I'm waiting on the sapphire 480x
pls give me your opinion

>>55074431
Everything is good. I would suggest a single 500GB SSD instead. Also: For one mid-tier GPU, 750W is overkill, though for that discount it might be ok.

If your main goal is gaming, I would change your priorities. With your budget, you could drop the HSF and one of the SSDs, and get a 1070 instead. You can easily add those back later.

>>55074477
>I would suggest a single 500GB SSD instead
isn't 2 smaller ssd in raid better than one bigger?

>For one mid-tier GPU, 750W is overkill
I cannot buy the 650W or the 550W version, and this is the only PSU that give 10 years of warranty, and I really want that

>and get a 1070 instead
I reallly don't have the money for it, and I really don't want to buy nvidia products anymore

>>55074529
>isn't 2 smaller ssd in raid better than one bigger?
Depends. If you actually need the speed, then yes. But how many people benefit from SSD RAID speeds?

Hey Falcon, we've talked about this before but I'll mention it again. I don't even think AM3 CPU/mobo combos even warrant a recommendation anymore. I'd mention them but not much more than that.

As much as I like AMD, I'd just have the i3 6100 you have listed as the primary option at that pricepoint and be done with it. The boards will have better upgrade potential and the people who need heavy multithreading at that price over good single threaded performance are unique cases that probably already know that the FX series is there for them if they need it.

These people can quite safely make up the $10-$20 extra they'd spend (if that's even the case) on the Skylake setup with a more modest but still very capable PSU.

>>55074347
>>55074352
I guess we're thinking a little differently then. While I also buy just what I 'need', my primary purchase criterion is quality.
I also bought an Eizo Foris FS2735 instead of an Asus MG279Q. 1100 Euro vs 600. Can I do things the Asus can't? Probably only via the G-Ignition Software. I picked it because it was the higher quality device of the two.

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>>55074877
Excellent screen, COMPLETELY retarded price. I was searching for a good FreeSync screen, without the TN/low range issues, and found this.

I even asked for a quote, hoping that maybe the local price was acceptable. Nope. USD$1800.

I've got an old i7 930 in my rig
What do I get by updating to a current generation i5 or i7?

>>55075166
Almost nothing, wait for Zen and hope that it forces Intel to actually release something exciting for once.

>>55074948
Man, they really fuck you over with those prices.The German one is already high at 1250 USD.

One of the major purchase criteria was the warranty, though:
5 years or 30000hrs screen-on time with on-site exchange should anything break
Plus additionally: 6 months zero bright subpixel warranty from purchase date

You just know they get the cream of the 144Hz WQHD panels. The Anti-Glare coating is top tier, no visible grain whatsoever, and it's not even semi. Colours are better than my calibrated S27A850D out of the box (granted, the display is from 2009). And G-Ignition is just awesome, it's a gamers dream. Freesync, ULMB at 60, 100, 120 and 144Hz.

Biggest downside is that you need to use different overdrive settings for ~60, ~100, and ~144Hz.

>>55075166
Better CPU performance. If you are happy with your current i7, you can just keep it.

>>55075210
I read the reviews, it is a very good screen. I mainly wanted it because I already have an IPS Gsync screen, and I want to test Gsync vs Freesync, but I need a quality IPS screen, with the full framerate range for Freesync (and not "up to 90FPS!"). So far, the Foris is the only screen that meets the criteria, but it is bloody expensive! I can get TWO Acer Predators for cheaper!

>>55075206
Thought as much.
Fuck man, this chip was made in 2009.

>>55075225
Whats the break down on it? Because clock speed seems pretty much the same for all but the most exorbitantly priced processors and bus speed hasn't improved all that much.

Moore's law failing to keep up with reality or something?

>>55075279
I wouldn't mind borrowing you mine for some testing, if you were somewhere local...
I'm curious about the results too.

>>55075328
The IPC has increased about 10% each generation but you wouldn't notice this in "everyday" use since the Core architecture is just GOAT.

Unless you're using your CPU for productivity, playing intense games, or care about power consumption then there isn't much different.

>>55075328
>Whats the break down on it?
IPC has increased, and significantly.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/11

But for applications that are not CPU-bound, that does not make much of a difference:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/16

>>55075336
Thanks for the offer! However, I will wait till there is a good FS model available for a decent price, and buy it.

>>55075422
>>55075458
The hivemind has spoken.

>>55075458
Here's a question: Which CPU offers the highest performance per thread after overclocking? Basically, what CPU has the highest IPC * clock?

>>55070908
Go fuck yourself cunt. Do something with your life instead of shit posting.

>>55071643
With a few cardboard boxes and duct tape, you can probably scrounge something up

Or if you're feeling a bit fancier you can go to the hardware store and see what materials you have

Note, you still might need another fan or USB stuff

>>55075495
The i7-3770K holds the world record.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3162947_riska_superpi___1m_core_i7_3770k_5sec_62ms

>>55075598
How can we see the world's best CPU on air? LN2 is cool... but not sustainable.

It is past 11pm, and I am off to bed, /g/.

Will check this thread in the morning for your suggestions, comments, and criticisms.

Thank you.

>>55070102
No place for Athlon x4 845 in fair tier? It performs nearly similar to 860k while being more cheaper

>>55070908
>creator of logicalincrements
>site is in sticky therefore stops most of the newfags from shitting up /g/ with build threads

Kill yourself

Wow Falcon, great moves. Keep it up, proud of you.

What is this?

>1070
>http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1070/

>1080
>http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080/

Literal paper launch

No Xeon CPUs? Cmon

>>55081939
if the kike can't shove you commission links, you wont see it there