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REAL MEN don't use -- or need -- steroids.

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>>39743447
>yfw exempt

>>39743431
>>39743462

fly out here and do drugs with me now that I'm doing them again you degenerate

>>39743447
its a good thing I aspire to be a qt trap

>>39743462
>>39743471
>>>/lgbt/

>>39743462
>yfw
>posts ass
dumb slut

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>>39743471
Get a new slave to pay all my expenses jeeze

>>39743486
Remain unawakened pleb

>>39743513
I literally live in the current Heroin capital of the US

this is your heaven here, I'm surprised you haven't flown out months ago

http://fox17online.com/2016/09/25/7-overdose-deaths-in-1-day-reported-in-cleveland-area/

I feel kinda bad about the slave thing after my recent introspective experiences t b h f a m

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What made you guys want to roid?
For me it was girls/attention. I wanted people to look at me and wish they looked like i do

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>>39743540
"well i've tried just about everything else there is to try so why not just commit to it and actually improve this shit sack of a body I have"

and here we are, I actually committed to something for more than 3 weeks. Feels p good

>>39743540
I was set on using DNP to lose the last few pounds and since everyone was all "omg most dangerous BB compound" i thought fuck it might as well roid

Figured if Im ok risking burning from the inside id risk potential heart problems 20 years down the line

>>39743530
>feel kinda bad

D r o p p e d

Tbh I get such a free ride here I can't see even copious amounts of heroin worth uprooting until these bridges burn

>>39743540
110% aesthetics and personal vanity

Originally I wanted to be stronk but I'd rather look good

>>39743540
I want to be strong like ox.
Also, I feel like ass all the time. Low test life feels bad, man.

>>39743614
poorly worded

I don't feel bad about having a literal human slave, she wanted it, her call as much as mine

I feel bad that I let it go because she got too clingy, not her fault, poor thing probably had some degree of stockholm syndrome going on

and fair enough can't blame you on the free ride

god I wish I was a woman sometimes

>>39743643
You could always be a gay dude I've heard they get decent compensation

Then again, increased aids risk so it's ehhh

If I was a guy id probably just sell drugs more

Even though I've had no personal issues from when I delt, I'd wager females are taken less seriously on that front

>>39743663
you're probably right about the perception of dealers, at least for harder shit, being a female is still probably an advantage for weed/psychs/lighter stims

>become bimbo
eh the money isn't worth the dong

>>39743462
desu I thought this was a man's ass at first

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>>39743540
Wanted faster progress
Wanted to just feel the mental benefits of having supraphysiological test like the better sense of wellbeing, and more confidence some report
Thought it would get me bitches lel, it kinda did, but not like I thought

Must say, do not regret at all to this day, I will probably continue cycling occasionally, only plan on ever doing tren one more time in my life though, it was fun, but as someone who got into HEALTH and fitness, I cannot comfortably use it often, and i really dont even want to get in the habit. The one time I do it will probably be closer to my mid twenties, and im going to go fucking crazy

>>39743676
Fuck off nerd

>>39743540
I want to control my biochemistry, not be controlled by it. Autismo but the truth.

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>tfw someone sends pic related to one of the accs of grills im pimpin

HAHAHAHAHAH

>>39743676
>>39743775
Wew shots fired

>>39743711
You must suck some quality dick if their man ass is this good

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>>39743883
Wew estp I got $160 in my wallet I'd love to spend, tell him to fuck off and I'll add some 73 cents in old change

>>39743462

Do you have any pics of ass pre roids?

>>39743431
>lifting one year natty
>wants to be /fraud/ now
how does one obtain gear?
what is tren?

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>>39743940
Right?

My sides
BIIIG SPENDA

I'm pretty sure I get banned from pof for the ones i cant abstain from screwing with

>>39743959
That one with pink hair on the couch

>>39744019
Google
I'm not even joking

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>>39744064

>she knows you have it saved

>>39743940

>tfw zero dollars in my wallet
>small amount of cash inside a first aid kit that's inside a compartment in my car where people usually keep drugs n shit

In the event I can't pay with plastic I just grab what I need from there, if I'm just going to the gym or something I take the cash out of there

So he's got me beat by $160 kek

>>39744064
>Google
Idk anon. Seems like a bunch of fake websites claiming to sell gear..

>>39744156
You're way to new to start roiding. Give it a year or two.

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Blood test for TRT in 3 hours. Besides all the drugs I've taken, plus the no sleep. Any other recommendations? I can't eat food.

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>>39744180

jack off right before you get the test lowers your test levels for like an hour

here's something to help you get off

>>39744180
Drink and whack it a lot.

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>>39744189
>>39744222

O-ok.

>first cycle
>400mg / week test enth
>aromasin, nolva and clomid on hand, taking 5-10mg of aromasin EoD
>12 weeks @ 400/week


My question is this. My gear guy just told me he just got a shipment of Anavar in. Im on week 3 now but since I'm bulking I'll probably be pretty fat by week 8-9. Can I buy some var, and cut calories a bit for the last few weeks to get a little leaner? And there's a 2 week gap from last injection til PCT, if I decide to do var should I do it for 4 weeks?
>week 8-12
Or 6 weeks?
>week 8-14, (so 2 weeks of var only) then start PCT the day after my var ends?

>>39744269
>getting fat on a roid bulk

doing it wrong

>>39744269
You can, but there wouldn't be much of a point. A few weeks of cutting won't make that much of a difference unless you suicide cut. Which you could do, but it would be unpleasant. Also start PCT a few days after the last time you take var. It has a much shorter half life than test e but it will still stay in your system for a day or two.

>>39744289

Why? How?

I was under the impression that you ate at a large surplus to get the most out of the roid bulk and to decrease recovery time.

Logically two months of a large surplus would result in a lot of fat being gained?

>>39744289
I mean not "fat" but ~15% or so, I'm gonna be ending my cycle right as spring break begins and I wanna go bang some sloots at PCB or wherever this year

>>39744308
If I cut for 4-6 weeks I'll lose 10+ pounds safely which is like 5% bodyfat (I weight~200) and I bet with gear I could cut even harder than that.

But I should do var for a week or so after the last test inject?

>>39744311
Dude you suck so fucking bad, why do you even trip in these threads? Are you even on gear?

>>39744338
Yeah, you could do it for a week after your last injection since test e will stay in your system for at least a week, if not two. With 400mg test/week you could cut pretty damn hard and not lose muscle mass as long as you eat a lot of protein. As someone who is cycling to bang sloots at Padre I definitely understand where you're coming from lol. Is this your first cycle?

>>39744311
The bigger the stack the bigger surplus you can get away with
but its not ideal in any case, ideally you increase the surplus slowly over time and lean bulk, the leaner you are the more lean mass gains you make when in a surplus, the fatter you are the less, and more fat

>>39744373
Yessir my first cycle. I'm not gonna cry if I go into spring break a little pudgy cuz my main goal is summer but it'd be sweet to show off this winters hard work early

>>39744355

I'm running 500mg test E + pharama HGH + tren + mast

how do you think I got so fucking huge and juicy? >>39744189

>>39744377

>the leaner you are the more lean mass gains you make when in a surplus, the fatter you are the less, and more fat

Does this apply to natties as well? I was looking for 10% before first bulk anyways, but shit, this should really be more common knowlege, I had no idea

You know, Ive been lurking for some time. I post every now and then, but theres always...ALWAYS a fraud general thread as well as a /PGL/ thread. You would think that if we were a smart species, wed be able to gather the required data and put up a sticky. I guarantee no one has an original fucking question. We're not fucking snowflakes.

>>39743883
It's not that good really. Hips are too narrow. Looks more like a trap at first glance than an actual grill.

>>39744404
If you have your diet under control and dont go all "yolo I'm on roids I can eat whatever I want" you'll probably be fine. If you're fairly lean in the weeks leading up to break var or another oral like proviron/winny could be good. Also if you can get some mast prop or tren ace you could run that for just a few weeks leading up to the break to get that tight look without fucking with long esters.

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>>39744406
Yes, and it is pretty common knowledge, it's P-Ratio and it's literally explained in the third link of the sticky

>>39744156
There are plenty of legit sites. Look for steroid forums and there are usually review sections, bloods, tests etc for gear from trusted sellers

We are not allowed to give you or discuss sauces here. Though if you aren't willing to do your own research, it's really probably for the best you avoid fucking with your hormones. 1st go roids are very easy to use and cycles can be simple, but if anything fucks up and you don't have the vaguest understanding of why, you'll be paying with your health

Guys....I came out of the shower and everything is moving, I can see the walls bending and I feel really weird.


What the fuck?

>>39744423
We have a pastebin, the mods ban people and delete threads if you post it because it used to have source information. Reddit r/steroids has a good wiki that is our de facto sticky for /fraud/.

>>39744455

thanks familia

good night nova, sweet dreams everyone.

>>39744463

lol

dude I did 72 hours+ without sleep because ESTP ex and her fucking drama and bullshit and moving into a house with no heat and etc and etc

without this sides

It's from the drugs, bruh.

>>39744469
Im not talking about source info. Most thetalk in most of these threads is IM "blah blah, weigh blah blah" what should i take, what should I expect.

I bet, you could probably analyze the info throughout the threads through anecdotal experience and et a graph for weight, lifting eperience and doses and give a basis for what each person should or shoulde not expect for a given substance without asking the same info

>>39744491
Maybe Im just on edge right now, Im just tired of the stigma against the information of products.
If someone wants to use steroids, we should give them all the information available as possible and let that person choose. Just like meth and pot and what the fuck ever. More information will not deter or incentivise a person to do something. It will only make them more knowledgable, and knowledge is key. I feel like there is a growing number of people who are looking at manufactured boosts but cant get the info because of the stigma and i feel like if we had a sticky, we could have a complied data of previous experiences rather than 1 or 2 people who may be online or not

>>39744491
The problem is that there are so many different factors that contribute to what a specific hormone does to a person that it would be very difficult if not impossible to make a kind of one-size-fits-all resource. Trust me, I'd love to make one but the data wouldn't be much better than just anecdotal reports.

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>>39744463
Quit being a faggot and hold those walls up before they start to collapse. Screaming frantically while doing so seems to help.

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>>39744479

>It's from the drugs, bruh.

I've never had this happen to me before, it's alright now but if I close my eyes from 10 seconds I start seeing very vivid pictures in my mind, and the walls bend.

Weird. Hopefully I won't start tripping out while getting blood drawn.

>>39744548
that girl on suicide watch

>>39743431
I'm on the 2nd week of injecting 600mg Test-E / wk. Despite the strength gains and composition changes not having started, can I reep the benefits of the Test in preserving muscle while I cut?

I'm starting DNP tomorrow at 200mg and then upping 400mg and I want to make sure that the test will prevent catabolism.

>>39744463
sometimes i get dizzy in the shower like its moving but idk

>>39744530
I obviously am no scientist, but i think thats bunk. steroids are no different than advil. Sure, there are minor differences in each person, and some people probably cant even take it.
All it is(both), is a substance altering the chemicals in the brain. period.

Nothing is ever one size fits all, but we get an idea of what substances do, regardless of what they are. I dunno why i chose adevil, but a smaller perosn would obviously need less to get rid of the headache rahter than a person who is huge.

Subtance to subtance it doesnt change dramatically. I dont think it would be hard to gather evidence, put out a baseline and a hypothetical graph and let people decide for themselves where they need to be. ( Advil bottle says normal consumption is 2, i take 4)

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>>39744575
Lol, to be fair the original pic does look weird as shit.

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>>39744607
7/10

>

yeah yeah

What is the ideal way to come off of DNP? I'm fucking beat right now but I don't want to lose it and spiral into a binge week once I cycle off.... Any ideas?

>>39744583
Actually, there's a pretty big difference between steroids and advil. Steroids are hormones that work by diffusing into your cells, binding to pre-existing receptors, migrating to particular regions of your chromosome, and activating or deactivating many different genes. They have a huge systemic effect on your entire body, and a complicated mechanism of action that involves many different cellular mechanisms. There's a reason that people have to go through four years of medical school and another 4-6 years of residency to treat hormonal disorders.

>>39744638
Just stop taking it and use an EC stack for a week or two.

>>39744583
Holy shit this is the most retarded shit i have read today.

>>39744463
doing anything that could cause low bp?

>>39744638
literally just stop and don't be a weak-willed pussy

>>39744656
Missing the point. We're not snowflakes.
The lack of information as well as misinformation hurts us more than anything.

That being said, steroids in general, not an outlier situation, all have the same effect. We know what theyre supposed to do, and we have an idea of what they do chemically. Its not like one dude take roids and gets smaller and another takes roids and get huge.... theres a relative known effect, and it needs to be studied and published publically at what levels the effects and negative sides are.

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>>39744436
>hips are too narrow

U wot

I have an hour glass figure, ignoring the notits

I think you're confusing my waist or thighs for hip view or something

>>39744720
You realize that people do actually study these compounds, right? There's a bunch if information in the literature if you actually go out and look for it. We do know, generally, what any compound will do to a person. But you can't say "Well you've been lifting for three years and weigh 184lbs so if you take 550mg testosterone per week you'll gain 1.3lbs muscle and 0.8lbs fat per week."

>>39744453
Fuck I just ate two honey bunz because my exact logic was "fuck it I'm on roids yolo"

>>39744720
and the point is that it's entirely different for everyone

person A is a 3x responder to testosterone
person B is a 12x responder
person C aromatizes testosterone into estrogen at a rate of 10x what's "normal"

etc

>>39744685

I've no idea mate, on the contrary I've been taking stimulants. I am out to get blood drawn for the TRT test.

Hopefully I won't faint like last time..stupid syncope.

>>39744720

If that anon is missing your point, you're relaying it very poorly

>>39744778
If you lay down it is impossible to faint. Also drink some water before they take your bloods.

>>39744791

Will do. Thank you, Anon.

>>39744753
So why have a sticky for general weight loss and programs to gain strength and such, when in fact people can go out and find the information themselves just as easily.

>>39744777
What?? Its not entirely different for everyone. Theres subtle differences in how the body reacts, but steroids(testosterone), or any chemical thereof has a base effectiveness. All those examples would b extreme outliers.

>>39744784
Yeah, it's not lost on me. I seem to have a poor ability to communicate what Im actually trying to say

>>39744833
>Theres subtle differences in how the body reacts, but steroids(testosterone), or any chemical thereof has a base effectiveness. All those examples would b extreme outliers.
"no"

you've never done any research into steroids and it's quite obvious. please stop posting.

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On 300mg cruise of test e just started 4 weeks of anavar at 40mg next blast will be 900 test, 600 eq, and some tbol what should I expect if diet finally gets dialed in.

>>39744849
>these delts
wtf

>>39744849
900 test e
why tho senpai (not in a criticizing way, just curious why not other compounds)

So I'm stacking GHRP2 and CJC1295 w/o DAC 3x daily, and I'm planning to use 150mcg of GHRP2 each dose. I notice that the vials of CJC are 2mg while GHRP2 is 5mg while being the same price per vial, should I use the same amount of CJC (150mcg) and just order more vials, or should I use about .4x as much CJC (so 60mcg per dose)?

>>39744859
Most I've ran has been 600mg so I'm hoping that 900 will add some more mass to me. I'm in college and my diet is always shit so I compensate with gear.

>>39744853
What's wrong with my delts bruh

>>39744879
Gotcha gotcha, In that case why not low test high tren / med mast? Tren is god tier for because of the nutrition partitioning effect. Mast will help with hunger sides of tren (at least i get ravenous on high tren low test, mast seems to help me keep diet in check)

Also 900 test is nearing heavy D.R.

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>>39744879
Add tren and I'd drop the eq and up the var to 50mg

>>39744900
What is nearing heavy D.R. And if I can get some mast I will totally add it. I ran some tren ace at 50mg eod a few months back and even at that low of a dose I was losing my fucking mind even though I loved the gains.

>>39744841
no

If youve got something that proves different, please, lets hear it. I've done plenty of research, along with reading and reviewing sources for evidence on substance use.
The human body on a grand scale reacts 1 way to steroids, and the side effects are pretty much annotated.
just like when you take some stupid shit for some stupid diesease, and at the end of the commercial after it tells you your depression will go away, you mihgt also get a-z side effects.

stop being fucking retarded

>>39744925
>The human body on a grand scale reacts 1 way to steroids
So there's no difference between testosterone, estrogen, and cholesterol?

>>39744925
you are a very stupid person

I'll just quote your original argument again and laugh
>Subtance to subtance it doesnt change dramatically. I dont think it would be hard to gather evidence, put out a baseline and a hypothetical graph and let people decide for themselves where they need to be. ( Advil bottle says normal consumption is 2, i take 4)

again, not how it works, simply because you can't decide "where you need to be" without bloodwork. why? because everyone reacts differently. there is a "base effectiveness" as you say but no one responds the same way. estradiol conversion for one is a big thing that is almost entirely genetics. people who respond differently to a dosage of testosterone aren't outliers either, you can't say "hey there's 100 people, 90 will be exactly 8x responders." it'll be completely all over the fucking place.

>>39744925
>The human body on a grand scale reacts 1 way to steroids, and the side effects are pretty much annotated.

Uh, yes the capacity for nitrogen retention is increased. At a baseline this is how all AAS function.

This doesn't mean that the overall mechanisms of action may impact individuals the same. Tren doesn't aromatize, the lack of estrogen may play a role in major mood swings on blast for someone sensitive to estrogen/estrogen balance.

There's so many variables and systems at play with hormones VS other medicines.

>>39744992
>there is a "base effectiveness" as you say but no one responds the same way
agreed, no one is going to react the same way

>estradiol conversion for one is a big thing that is almost entirely genetics
youre telling me, that out of 100,00 people, a baseline cant be formed? From 1 extreme to another its not a great difference

In my statement that were not all snowflakes, I'm not tryng to say that we arent all different, but theres a general heading in which people can go and find results. As with everything, they will need to tweak (JUST LIKE THE GODDAMN STICKIES).

anons grabbing information from one or two sources in here, rather than a gathered group of evidence would clearly be better. Just because some anon did this one thing once isnt a good idea. i would rather have a source of data tat comes from 1000's of data. Not some fraud thread(no offense).

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>>39744849
I am so happy i don't need so much gear to look good

currently on 200 mg test + 40 mg mast-e

MUH MAGICC. KKEK

You post makes so fucking sense and you know it, it's just an excuse to post this CHEAT POSE PICTURE. He did it guiyz, the absolute madman!!

>>39745052
hello

>>39745052
Whats the secret to big delts?

first injection

there's a very large bubble in the syringe after drawing

what do

>>39745071
Flip it upside down (needle pointing up) and gently depress the plunger until the bubble is almost gone or oil is barely starting to come out the tip.

>>39745070
steroids and working your delts stupid

>>39745071
smash the air bubble too we're freaks

>>39745079
You dont say. I mean what does mast do specifically.

>>39745085
be better than u

>>39745131
True but completely irrelevent
>>39745052
Mast how do i into boulder shoulders?

first injection complete

that was surprisingly easy and painless (25g, vg). I expected to pussy out when push came to shove but it was all a breeze

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>>39745166

>finally unbanned after my month banned for uttering names of a certain type.

Feels good

I can't believe he does it for free though.

>status report
Girlie is ten days into var. noticed spider veins in thighs. Skin is taughter/firmer. Noticeable pump most of the time. Fucking obnoxious 24/7. Way more sensitive, physically.

Lifts are up 5-10lbs each. More endurance in gym. I'll reiterate, Fucking O B N O X I O U S.

>>39745071
What the other guy said, also if you want you can flick it until there's only a tiny bubble, Generally I leave a bubble near the plunger so that I waste less liquid. The air doesn't hurt at all either so.

>>39744406
>running hgh without slin
u twink

>>39744849
>what should I expect if diet finally gets dialed in.
>if diet finally gets dialed in.
>if
got some bad news for you

>>39745592
It's really not hard, just go pick up raw chicken breasts and a huge bag of frozen broccoli a rice cooker and a 25 lb bag of rice from costco. If you can't have a good diet with the easiestg shit in the world to make you should neck ys.

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>>39744752

>being this easy to bait into posting more pics

you're uh, loose as fuck

>>39745610

Everything from Costco is great. The meat at costoco is pretty reasonably priced, and is close to butcher shop quality, the fish is great.

I don't drink anymore since I started lifting but the booze is cheap too, the gas is cheap, shit, even tires are fucking cheap at costco.


Anyways,

>talking to that nerd girl that I liked and thought was suitable for longterm
>sending me texts nonstop
>I don't respond for like 4 hours
>'Why did you ask for my number if you don't want to talk to me???'

Sigh. It seems like every girl I see as dateable is a quivering clingy wreck.

Stopped contact with the last one I wanted to date after this fucking nonsense (after first date) and this one is headed the same way.

This girl also doxed me, found my burner ebay, the one with nothing for sale, (or like minimal shit) told me 'You don't make enough money get a real job'

I threw a 10/10 tantrum

>>39743462
lol hi Neatrice :3

i wonder how that dyel manlet is doing on his "real nigga bulk"

I am back, fainted again. Oh well, at least I didn't trip balls.

Hopefully my test levels will come low enough for TRT. Thanks for the advice, guys.

>>39745774
>loose as fuck

I don't understand what this means

Like easy?

I mean I posted the first pic of my own accord and the second one is probably the least revealing pic I've ever posted here

>>39745845
????

>>39745911
>????
tfw you've already forgotten me ;_;

Suppose we've only spoken (kek) like 2ce this year but still. Hurtful. Smdh desu lad.

>>39745942
thirsty faggot wow

>>39743431
Are there any roids without any side effects?
I want to roid but i don't want to destroy my health in any way.
I am perfectly fine with weaker roids that will give me only like 40% benefits as long as they don't have any side effects.

>>39745948
testosterone

>>39745942
I think you've mistaken me for someone else? Where did we speak? On fraud?

>>39745948
Sides are mostly avoidable on a basic test cycle, if not easily remedied

>>39745911

Like I don't know if I'm just that not funny or if you're slow or something today but never explain 'jokes' right?

Probably the first one so let's just drop it

>>39745948

>i want to have my cake and eat it too

is it normal to have severe abdominal craps after juicing?

>>39745953
>>39745954
2 people give legit advice to>>39745948


>>39745956
the guy who doesn't roid just shitposts.


Thanks Alex! Great Job!

>>39745956
>>i want to have my cake and eat it too
No. I just want don't want to die while eating my cake before the cake even turns into cakemuscle

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Don't try to cut on EQ and GHRP.

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>>39745973

Don't worry, anon is gonna run me off this board for good (not)

>>39745956
I really don't get the joke

Can you explain it? I want to understand what I'm missing

>>39745954
FL.

>>39746055

reee

If you need to explain the joke, it's not funny.

And now we're dragging my shame out .

Anyways,

>anon says comment about your hips
>you post a photo of them as a rebuttal
>your cunt is loose
>logical course of action is to post a photo of something inside, with your little hole wrapped around it, as a rebuttal
>joke is I'm fishing for lewds

I'm actually cringing at myself after typing it out, thanks ESTP.

Also,

>no fap
>edged to the photo you posted earlier
>accidentally came
>pissed right away because it's gonna be 2-3 days for that 'wanna rape everything that walks' no fap feeling
>like 5 gallons of cum on my sheets that I just washed yesterday
>have a date friday, was sort of looking forward to blowing weeks of cum into her

fuck you

>>39746065
How would I know it's you from "neatrice"?

What is neatrice

Nigga put your name up

>>39746079
Oh

Ohhhh

Yeah I don't know I get it now but that was 200% over my head

>not accidentally impregnating some tindersloot

You're wel-cum, senpai

I have a guy i work with thats pretty cool and we workout together from time to time. We have always been very close in skill set but now that im on juice i left him in the dust, and i told him it was the new routine and diet. He's upset and depressed , i see it in his face, he said he shouldnt have fallen off of going with me.(he still works out but hasnt progressed much)
I feel so superior.
Is this why people fake natty?
It feels good.

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>tfw just stalking fraud all day erryday for ESTP pics without even reading 90% of posts
>essentially my nofap/noporn methadone
>mfw throughout

That aside, someone pls talk me out of abusing clen. I need hard scientific evidence to scare me off cause I’ve been offered some dirt cheap and am but a weak man trying to achieve insanely low levels of bf% the easy way (without resorting to dnp cause fuck that).

>>39746766

>without resorting to DNP
>clen is safer

ahahhaha

>>39743447
>inject some steroids
>feel fine at first
>suddenly feel nauseous and tingly
>first facial hair falls out
>feel tightness in my crotch
>rip clothes off
>body hair and pubes falling out
>balls recede into body
>hips widen
>dick falls off
>I yell out in shock but my voice breaks and becomes high pitched
>pass out
>eventually go to doctor
>doctor asks rhetorically "you injected the steroids didnt you?"
>doctor tells me my body has zero testosterone, and that my Y chromosomes all dissolved and flushed out of my body
>says Im only left with single X chromosome
>"You're not a real man anymore son, you've become an it"
>"You'll never be able to have children, but you can adjust to having a normal sex life by becoming a g4p power bottom"
>"I hope the gains were worth it"

Tfw anon tried to warn me and now it's too late, woe is me.

>>39746776
I didn’t say it’s safer. Not at damn all. I meant whenever I say I shy off clen people tell me “use dnp fag” instead, which I also will not do. Should probably have inb4’d to make it easier to understand.

Old blood test results from years back
Free T4 17.3 (Range 11-21)
TSH 7.0 (Range 0.5-5.0)

However, Ive never been fat, always found weight loss easier than gain, considered fast metabolism.

>>39746766
Dnp isnt that bad if you take of yourself while on it. Honestly id personally advise dnp instead because how it works, you dont need to worry about your heart health or bp taking a toll. Just sweating your ass off and being lethargic. But then again thats just my opinion because i abused alot of stims in the past and had heart palps and shit.
Luckily i stopped before i took any long term damage.

>>39746766
There's always your friendly neighborhood albuterol

>>39746803
I reeeaaaally don’t want to fuck with dnp cause two people at our gym kicked the bucket because of it (not really friends but good gymbros aye). More of an emotional bias than anything.

It boils down to:
>two highly toxic substances where an effective cycle also means accumulating possibly lethal dose after half of it
>one of them I personally loathe
>talk me out of the other too with science facts pls or I’ma do something I’ll regret

>>39746766
>clen
>but won't do DNP

I wish the memes around yellow death would die but because of one old study from the 1930's surrounding long term extended high dose usage people are going to continue taking fucking clen

clen sucks

>>39746840
just do ECA and fork putdowns

>>39746835
There is. But it’s ridiculously hard to come by where I am, and I’m specifically asking about clen cause I’d get a literal bucketful for a fraction of the price but don’t want to do anything too stupid.

Thoughts on using a bottle of Tren A to kickstart a Tren E/Mast E cycle?

>>39746852
you’re kinda right, I should just fuck off and deal with two-digit bf% lol

fun thing, europoor so getting the E of the ECA is sometimes harder than acquiring class A stuff kek

>>39746840
Only you can convince yourself, i passed out on clen and adderall which couldve easily of been my heart failing but it was a wakeup call, it was literally retarded of me to do that in the first place.
This was years ago.
Any drug can be used wisely and like you saying you know two people who died from dnp goes to show they didn't know what they were doing.
If you dont have the self control to use clen safely then dont or you'll fuck yourself up, all i can really say man I'm not gonna google it for you.
You can stay safe whatever drugs you chose, just be smart.

>>39746877
Sound reasonable. I mean, I’m an avid substance both fraud and other drugs related but I always pay attention to how and what I do, never had any negative stuff happen.

SO WHY START NOW.

sigh

>>39746873
>tfw you live in canada and the bottle of the E sits beside the creatine in your local sports store for $9

>>39746906
seething hate

not even original anon

but still

>>39746852

>do as I say not as I do

amen

I'm getting so sick of fork put downs, is it a good idea for me to just bulk for 2 months/cut 1 month in the future so I never have to perma cut again?

Obviously I'm going to keep cutting regardless of how fucking sick I am, it's just, man, I never want to be cutting for months at a time again.

I don't understand how/why people actually bulk for a year cut for a year routinely.

>>39746766

>no porn

what's the point. The reason I wrote I like no fap so much is because your sex drive gets 10 times higher.

Mine was always high, now, I just want to rape everything. Comfy feels.

That's because you haven't blown a load. You don't blow a load, duh, you're gonna wanna rape everything that moves.

It's not like seeing pics of naked girlies on 4chan is gonna fucking reduce your sex drive or anything

>>39746857
Personally I'm all for clen if you handle the sides fine. Treats some people like garbage but not everyone. Honestly not sure why everyone here has a problemo with it but shills dnp. Dnp is not "better for you" than clen, assuming both are taken correctly

Grab some baby aspirin, watch your BP and strap yourself in for 2-3weeks

>>39746906
They sell it at gnc for something like 3packs of 100 for 12 cadarydoos last i checked

One of the few canuck privileges

I keep hearing roids are as cheap if not cheaper than protein powder. I'm not lookin to start now or anytime soon but is this true? If anything I'd just want the most basic of cycles.

>>39746937
Just buy test powder and vegetable oil and make your own, cheap af

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The people I get myself in to lately

>potentially going to local show with pic related tonight

she's paying since it's my birthday too, kek

>>39746937
yes, especially if you buy raws.

I can brew 20+ vials of test for ~$150 including all equipment and materials other than the powder.

>>39746924
>do as I say not as I do
I would've just done ECA/Putdowns if I didn't feel stressed to meet my deadline, crashing your weight on DNP sucks sometimes

how long have you been cutting for? When bulking for a year aim for 0.5-1lbs of weight gain per week max. 1lbs is on the high side and probably should be avoided unless you're really under your maximum potential, cutting should be done more sharply (1-2lbs loss per week) to avoid muscle catabolism, even on anabolics

>>39746956
Well I was hoping by the time I'd want to roid I can afford to comfortably not do that. Was just curious about the costs as I haven't looked at sources, just been reading up.

>>39746924
I’m specifically doing nofap noporn nosex for three months as a sort of cocoon mode. Me and ex gf boinked so much it made us both lethargic during the day and cranky and irritable when not lewding for more than twelve hours. Horrible stuff. Not that it matters, was just trying to cheekily flatter ESTP while still being an awkward idiot lel

>>39746925
Thanks. Will keep in mind, should I actually do it. I hate how people demonize either of them when it all comes down to personal tolerance and not being a retard around known harmful but effective stuff.

>>39746963

Whoops I forgot the trip.

Been cutting for 3.5 months at like -1250 a day, no caffeine, getting sick of it, gonna start drinking coffee + just increase deficit to like 2500 and try to get 200g protien 20g fat from a mixture of whey + chicken breast + multivitamins so this shit is over with fast.

I have no tolerance to caffeine so hopefully it alleviates hunger symptoms for me well.

>Bulk 1-2 lbs a week

Yeah, +250 right? I'm gonna just start eating +3000 (roughly minus 500), see how much weight I lose, go to 3250 for a week, go to 3500 for a week, until I'm gaining properly.

I'm just so sick of being fat, and equally sick of the aggressive cut, so I just would rather it be over sooner and more hunger at this point.

>>39746994
Sounds like a decent plan to round off the end of your cut, caffeine with no tolerance should really help suppress the appetite. Helped me a lot

granted now I'm fucking addicted and have 4-6 cups of coffee a day

>+250 right?

I don't like to quantify it in terms of calories like that. That gives a great starting point for a lean bulk, but you just have to watch the scale and adjust the calories for you personally. Currently I'm eating at ~2900 which is only 200 over my calculated TDEE, but due to inaccuracies in calculation and the fact that I seem to gain incredibly easy, I'm adding about 0.1-2lbs a day.

Just watch your weight for a week, adjust + or - 50-100 calories at a time, and go from there

one of the benefits of a long bulk as well, more time to adjust your diet and dial it in at the beginning rather than feeling like "oh shit I've got a limited about of time I want to bulk for, gotta get this dialed in NOW"

>captcha: all images with pizza

>>39746963
Eyyyy boiii wots your sign? ;^)

Are you a Sagittarius

>>39746982
>cheekily flatter ESTP
It worked

>should I actually do it

Why not?
You can get it cheap, seem to want to do it, presumably know or are going to look into proper cycles

I mean if you fucking h8 it just drop it senpai

Then resell it to me :^)

>>39747026
>Are you a sagittarius
as much as this sounds like the intro to a bad pickup line yes

Irished up my coffee this morning

I can now legally consume the one substance I rarely consume kek

>>39747026
>tfw managed to awkwardly flatter fraudwaifu
AW YISSS

And yeah, I’m going to be a reasonable adult about it (as I try to with any substance I abuse) and optimally not do gruesomely die while at it. Wish me luck.

>reselling
kek I already have like five local curlbros foaming at the mouth for it should I stop early or use it all.

...will maybe send one dose with a cheesy pink bow around it for late xmas gift heh

>>39747085
*or not use it all

sleep is for the weak

>>39747015

my TDEE is like 3500-4k+ plus because I do a lot of volume,

It's a physiological thing at this point, I know natty doing this much volume isn't productive, but if I do more volume, I feel like I've worked harder, and making more progress, doing everything I can? If that makes sense.

I actually was secure with my physique at 25% bf and not lifting, I just didn't give a shit about it, and now at 15% I feel fat as fuck.

I know people say cortisol, but I actually enjoy lifting, so I don't believe my cortisol levels are going up or i'm being stressed.

ALso I pace around a lot because of ADD/ADHD so it's like 4 hours of low intensity cardio a day

>one of the benefits of a long bulk as well, more time to adjust your diet and dial it in at the beginning rather than feeling like

Got ya d00d. I just don't ever want to get above 12% again.

Bulking from 10-12 is what, 3.5 lbs, gaining .5 lb a week means it's 7 weeks.

So I guess my plan will be bulk 7 weeks cut for a few weeks repeat

Just taking this week easy, eating small deficit, preparing myself for the fucking PMSF attempt

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WEWIE

Just heard the postman stop by and drop some stuff off

>absolutely related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1wUirNlR0U

>>39747101
I'm trying to keep myself around 15% max at the end of the bulk, cut down to 8-10% after. We'll see how that plays out.

>>39747141

Hmm, but you have some muscle on your body, so your 15% looks a lot lot better than I do at 15%.

>tfw postman coming today to drop off the coins I won

COINS COINS COINS

I know anon is going to

>autism at me but

SO EXCITED FOR MY COINS.

Fuck I made some of those instant ramen noodle packets and i left the noodles in the hot water too long tastes awful

And why tf is there never enough spice packet to sate your desire for sodium overdose?

>>39747065
Why didn't you tell me sooner, we're horoscope compatible

OUR JOINT DEGENERACY COULD'VE BEEN WRITTEN IN THE STARS desu

>>39747085

K-konichiwa cutie kun *tips lady fedora and blushes* *hides behind corner and waits for m'lad to respond*

>wish me luck
Luck

>resell
You should pawn some off on them for profit, senpai

Sounds like they'd accept a good mark up

any of you guys from canada? Is there a domestic source for syringes or do i keep ordering from the us? Really dont want to wait for that Christmas shipping time

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>>39747169

>making 200k/yr
>eats ramen

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>all of the clen vs. dnp talk

One is an actual human tested Rx used off label, with side effects manageable and even sometimes decreasing with longer use if you’re not a retard, too eager, or especially sensitive.

The other is literal industrial waste inhibiting your body from not cooking yourself like a pot of mac n cheese, with a lethal dose literally half of what a neat cycle consists of.

Stop the shilling folks.

>>39747157
>Coins

these are the ones you have a sexual attraction to right?

>>39747169
>OUR JOINT DEGENERACY COULD'VE BEEN WRITTEN IN THE STARS

desu you're right, the universe is a spoopy place sometimes

I'll try to communicate with you when I break through on DMT while trashed as fuck after some weird indie concert tonight

>never enough spice packet

add hot sauce

shit's bretty gud

>>39747209

You forgot the emotional dependency

>tell myself it's an investment so I can spend obscene amounts of money

DESU if someone came up to me and said 'hey I'll buy them all for more than they're worth, and you can use the money to buy other coins' I'd have to do some real mental gymnastics

Once I buy them they're not coins... they're MY coins.

>>39747209
I was actually thinking about how hot sauce would've improved it but I drank all the hot sauce

Looks like your dmt telepathy is already werkin

>>39747193
I'm fucking lazy

The only time I cook full meals is for boyfriends

I will literally not eat anything that reqs more than 5mins prep/cook time when left to my own devices

Which I can't really explain because I love cooking

>>39747169
M’lad sadly needs to skedaddle to fake RL productivity now, but thanks for the sane approach to my question and such. Will continue to stalk fraud for your pics and occasionally shitpost.

>pawn off
Considering it although I usually never involve myself with actual trading. But a 250-300% markup for literally just walking two blocks two times a month does sound too stupid not to be the way to become stinking rich kek

>>39747203
where were you half an hour ago lmao

>>39747203
Yeah i dont get the shit talk about clen, but no need to hate on dnp and stoop to the shills level, both are very good. I personally stack them and works out fine, have done it many times now and im still very healthy. Just know what you're taking and how it works in your body t b h.

>>39747184
syringes are available otc, no prescription required

I ordered from a local (province) website though because it was nearly 5 times cheaper. just look around, mine was an actual med supply store for actual nurses/doctors

>>39746840
>I reeeaaaally don’t want to fuck with dnp cause two people at our gym kicked the bucket because of it (not really friends but good gymbros aye).
how did no one call this retard out lol

>>39747484
Dude, i know 4 gymbros who died from steroids this year. 3 more who died from dnp, and another 2 who died from sarms.
You dont wanna hear truth is all. All this shit is bad and UNNATURAL

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> Europe is at a critical point
> Russian ambassador assassinated on television
> Germany has had enough of the mudshits
> mainstream is about to shift far right
> people openly nationalist, DOW about to break 20,000
> black slave's father is asking Oma if the Holocaust actually happened

Told you bitches.

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>>39747484

We don't call people out here unless they are master baiters.

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>>39747836
GUTEN TAG steroid friend.

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>>39747763
Ya I died like 3 times already this month from that new sarm dnestp. It's cool though cause I am made shreeded.

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>>39747836
pls let this be true.

I fucking hate germany more than the muslim filth.
I fucking hate france and sweden too. How can these people be such faggots.
Like i legit hate germany much more than these human trashbag terrorist attackers.

>german radio channel asks people around how they feel after the berlin attack
>girls answers below

> Uhm well im not too concerned with the attack, but im worried about my arab friends, they might be in danger, they are in a bad light now.

WHAT THE FUCK.

>entire radio channels and politics are discussing wether it was a terrorist attack or not
>muslim pakistani scum
>not a terrorist attack

fucking kill yourself germany. You deserve to die. You deserve to be overrun by these brown midgets. You are not worthy to be a country anymore. You dont deserve anything.
Fucking kill yourself, because you deserve it

Ruined my entire fucking day and im off to the gym to rage at the weights.

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Have you guys used methyl-dht (mestanolone) before? Saw a guy on SST said he's stacking it with proviron along with his cruise. Seems like it'd be interesting for hardening.

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>>39748039
Aren't you German?

>>39748110
I think he is, but he's not wrong either. Some cucks are too far gone.

Imagine if Moosey joined a right wing militia and was able to topple the German government (fucking unlikely, let's just say for argument's sake). Do you think the German people who created this shitty situation would change?

The only way is for the population to be culled (migrants obviously but also the cucked Germans) or for the children of this generation to be educated with really strong nationalist ideals.

Basically I think his frustration comes from there being no really good options at this point. Thank God we don't have to think in such dire terms in the USA with Trump in office - just in time.

>>39748225
>thinks trump will correct anything
nothing will change,cuck and nu male population increases every second,there is a fucking series on tv about cuckold fetish,fucking normie websites encourage it.
Society is falling apart my mang,its no diffrent in USA.

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>>39748287
Lol let them be cucks, you'll get to fuck their wives. Sounds like a win to me.

>>39748287
>no diffrent in USA
While I see what you're saying (popular vote count shows that we now have a simple majority of cucks - won't change until demographics of this country are forcibly changed and illegals are deported), you can't argue that the degree to which the central/federal government is compromised with cuck-mindset in Germany is way further gone than the US (with Trump's election).

I know it seems like a long shot that Trump will fix anything, but keep an open mind and give him a shot. We need people who can believe this can and will happen if we want any shot of reaching the goal of a stable nation that is resilient to the subversive liberal-socialism ideals that have ruined Germany.

>>39748110
no im not.

wait, let me think about this twice

>value/love this country more than germans do
>more concerned about terrorist attacks and muslim filth than germans
>more concerned about its future and its people than germans itself


Yeah, im more german than hitler was

>>39743540
As a response to

>>39743880
>I want to control my biochemistry, not be controlled by it. Autismo but the truth.

I was the same to be honest. Obviously I wanted to get big too.

Currently I'm just running above-TRT dose at the moment, I actually appreciate the psychological benefits far more than just the gains.


>>39744269
>My question is this. My gear guy just told me he just got a shipment of Winstrol in

Fixed that for ya laddie

>>39748332
Like it or not we all kind of get influenced by the culture around us so id rather it not be shit.

Thag being said people are too woried. Everyone cant be cucks because someones gotta fuck all the wives, just leaves more room for normal people to thrive

>>39748411
Germans are taught from a young age to be ashamed of their culture, expressing certain opinions are actually illegal.

Is it a surprise that they're so downtrodden?

>>39748611
The most important thing to remember is that people want stability. It could take years, or even decades, or even centuries, but eventually everything migrates to the most stable culture.

Ironically, people in a stable culture become weak and then it becomes chaos, and it repeats again and again

>>39748039
Kinda want to play some crusader Kings now.

How the hell is ny cholesterol almost normal lol after using all this gear and shit wtf. I also ate before I took the blood test

Hdl was 28, normal range 31-65 or so

Ldl 94 upper end of normal was 110

The ratio is in normal range...

Moral of the story, run tren year round and not give a fuck

>>39748534
>psychological benefits
Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

I'm hovering around the low 400s. Some tests come back 425, some come back 370. I am trying natural means to increase my test but I know that there is only so much that can be done.

My LH and FSH are within range (like, in the upper half of the range - they too fluctuate with different tests), so I'm thinking it's a problem with my balls...

I feel like I've always been like this, no beard, feminine fat storage, etc. So I don't really know what I'm missing, except for gains (>1 year @ 4x/week with high intensity and good diet - my buddies who started 6 months ago are easily surpassing me now). Curious to know what you mean by the psychological benefits.

>>39747484
>>39747763
kek’d

seems genuine otherwise though, light baiting for dramatic effect? interesting


>>39748074
i have. was pretty meh imho, i can see why people would do it but i was underwhelmed and will not stack them again. pure anecdotal evidence tho

>>39748744
Show it to your mom and tell her to shut up

Was reading some of your posts in an earlier thread and wondering, did she discover that you use roids or is it just suspicion

>>39748744
you might just be lucky. my LDL was skyrocketing when I thought I could do that too

congrats though

I'm in the forces (British) i done cycles pre joining and quite surprised nothing showed on my CDT when I got there (DECA got a 2 year detection time they say..) I'm looking to run a test, eq and var cycle... Is it worth the risk, I'm positive everyone is on the juice but no one talks about it plus I don't want to draw attention to myself by asking if it's taboo

>>39748782
No since I am both a good liar and they are dumb as shit

>>39748866
As long as you aren't a fuck up/unlikable, they look the other way.

>>39748963
Does it not show on a standard cdt?

>>39748866
there are about ten different ways this could go wrong. now that being gay is not that much of a crime anymore the new don’t ask don’t tell is juice. they won’t slay you for it but if you have any false friends there be cautious as heck

reading along though, kinda curious why tests were negative

>>39748967
>cdt
Carbohydrate-deficient transferrin?

Not in the British military, but most drug screens don't test for steroids.

>>39748782
Since the hdl was a little fucked up I said I ate roast beef before the test and she bought it

But really what the fuck I see people run just like test or something and have way more fucked up values

>>39749022
Roids and drugs in general effect everyone differently.

I've run a over a gram of test before with no sides. Some people get bitch tits at 200mg/wk.

>>39749022
Havent you said yourself,that what your seller give you was something diffrent than tren.

>>39748110
...BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

>>39749022
everybody’s different. sister’s bf can go NO BRAKES ON THE TREN TRAIN for ages and doesn’t even flinch twice, i myself only need to read some juicing key words on the internet and already have the cholesterol of a 500lbs walmart dweller

life’s a bitch

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>>39748778
>was pretty meh imho
What dose?

>>39749052
it was tren but severely underdosed and cut heavily with deca i think, according to reddit if i remember right

because when i got actual tren i felt what i felt before, but 10x as strong. and people on reddit were agreeing with me, saying it felt like trenpp. i got free replacements afterwards so whatever

but i ran real tren for a while too very recently, at a pretty gud dose. only been off of it for like... i wanna say 6 weeks at most

>>39749135
30mg ed which I believe would warrant at least a bit of a noticeable difference

was basically babby’s first winstrol alternative while not stacking as well with some others. but as i said pure anecdotal evidence, have a friend who is in love with the stuff

ooooor this was the first and to date only time my guy tried to bullshit me, i’ll never know for real lol

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show me you're off cycle test levels curve

>>39749353
y tho

>>39749395
compare recovery speed
y not

>>39749413
kinda ashamed lol

i recover at the speed of a female sloth with thyroid cancer

>day 2 of first cycle, one injection and two days of 40mg dbol, 12.5mg asin
>left nipple itching like crazy
>can't tell if it's just my brain tricking me or if gyno is really already starting
fuck this shit time to ingest asin like it's skittles, I ain't risking bitch tits

>>39749456
sensitive nipples doesn't necessarily mean gyno though. but if you want to be sure..

>>39749456
>not taking tren on your first cycle.
What a waste

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>>39749339
Oh I was thinking of doing 100mg ED. Plus whatever else I'm running. I guess I'll try it and see. Thanks though.

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Okay guys, emergency.
I ate shitty empty calories the entire day and also just had a lifting session.

I have 2 options now:

a: Eat one pizza
b: Eat two pizzas

you decide

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>>39748411
Where are you from then?
>>39749670
Clearly three Philly cheese steak sammiches is the correct choice.

>>39749559
yeah that’s what i meant by anecdotal evidence, i was stacking too much stuff to really go hard on it, so i’m essentially not to be listened to and just talking out of my ass while zoning out on unrelated rx sorry lol

report back though, would save me quite a buck compared to actual winstrol if it proves useful when taken in reasonable doses and not stacked with too much other shit

>>39749670
c: all of the pizzas

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>>39749670
1 pizza and 1 rotisserie chicken. Gotta get dem Costco gains famalam.

>>39749670
Fat piece of shit

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>>39749828
>>39749705
im vegetarian fgts, fuck meat.

not gonna say where im from because it just leaves ammo for all the weebs that try to BTFO me.

Just gonna say im from a hardcore orthodox country that hates muslims more than i do (yes thats possible) and that was part of Russia for the past 300 years

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>>39749828
also le chick is damn fine anon.

wanna visit murica one day just to bang some black chick (assuming she is black)

>>39749887
and live in germany for the past 19 years.
we had to leave because my father and mother lost their jobs (engineer and teacher) because of economic crisis

>>39749887
remove kebap

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>>39749921
give me goku's power and i will do right now anon

i'll let the turks and kazhaks live tho

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>>39749887
Serbia?!
Kosovo?!
Bosnia?!
Pls save Europe Moosey. I still haven't gotten to visit...

Trying to get pre-cycle bloodwork done and my doctor refuses to check my test levels. Why? I told him I'm fine paying the extra money for it. I even told him an Uncle of mine is currently on TRT and I "just want to be safe" but he gave me some meme about my chest hair. What the fug!!!!!!!!!!

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>>39749982
>hey doc i wanna test T
>why?
>i have low test symptoms, i had no libido for the past 3-4 months

ez

>but moosey, i have already tried to convince him, it would be weird if i went a second time

ez ->
>doc, i was too shy to tell you last time and i was feeling uncomfortable, but i want to test my test because i havent had any libido for months and months

thank me later


>>39749940
since when were those part of russia for hundreds of years lmao.

You can still visit europe lmao, the only cucked countries are germany, france and sweden.

The rest are g2g mostly

>>39749933
>give me goku's power
only you can do that. cue long motivational speech yadda yadda i’m high

>turks
eh, don’t want to flame too much on this board so whatever

kazhaks are bae, and no not only cause of borat, it’s a factor tho

>>39749982
Do you live in a state where Private MD labs doesn't operate or something?

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>>39750064
out of all the muslims countries, kazhak and turkey are prolly the least retarded ones.
i mean, the turkish girls in my gym run around in hot pants soo...i dont mind them.

>tfw when i got mad as a kid i had a dream about acquiring super sayan powers and destroying japanese whaling ships with krillin, gohan and piccolo

i want more of those dreams man

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>>39750026
Poland?!

>>39750083
he could just not be American, I know here in Canada getting bloods is basically impossible unless you actually have an illness that requires them. docs are all like "tax payers pay for them so we don't do them for no reason."

but yes there's also a bunch of us states where privatemdlabs can't operate legally

>>39749887
Are you really vegetarian? In that case, mirin progress on vegetarian diet.

I feel like there is some culture on /fit/ that gains cannot be had without meat. Probably because they are natty and meat has good fats that are conducive to test production.

>>39744561
Heey same. Ever since I started dropping acid closing my eyes gives a slight head high

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>>39750179
well, this is me after 1 year of lifting (natty) + vegetarian diet

i dont know what else is needed to debunk le ebin meat meme

>>39750209
only 1yr of lifting? damn my genetics

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>>39750241
yes.
>genetics
thats funny because i think i have absolute trash genetics, but yeah anon

>meat or be dyel
is ebin meme, and everyone trying to tell you otherwise, you show them this picture of mine.

>>39750158
Are you high bretheren

>>39750209
Have you been vegetarian your whole life? That's some great progress.

Now that I think of it most of the hate is against vegans. But yeah, do you just consume lots of whey/casein protein or do you try to get protein from whole foods (eggs, cottage cheese, yogurt, etc.)?

Been meaning to go full vegetarian but /fit/ culture has me scared that my gains will evaporate lol

Have heard it is good for mental peace gains as well, makes you calmer in general. True? Do you do it for religious/philosophical reasons?

>>39750179
vegetarian isn't that hard, it's when you're vegan that it becomes hard mode, mostly because of protein. you have to consume so much food to get your necessary amount of protein

>>39750209
Everyone looks swole with a pump bruh.

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>>39750315
literally taken at the morning + absolute shit tier lighting washing out all of my definition

>>39750271
for 2 years.

I dont drink any protein shakes.
I dont eat yogurt, cottage, eggs.
I dont drink milk.
I do eat cheese on occasion tho.

now that i think about it, im practically still vegetarian, but my daily nutrition is like 90% vegan lmao.

>mental peace gains
Prolly a meme, didnt happen to me.

>religious reasons
what religion forbids eating meat breh

>philosophical
no, while i dont like how the meat industry is basically holocaust for animals, i dont care enough about them to go vegetarian.
Im vegetarian because i think meat is absolutely unhealthy. Like so fucking unhealthy i vomit solid 16x times just thinking about how trash meat is.

The disgust for meat has developed throughout the time tho. Before i was like "uhm meat isnt good for me but i would still like to eat it".
And now i get diarrhea just smelling it.

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>>39750263
>Are you high bretheren
Nope but give me about 15 minutes!

I think I may have just killed a lady with my mind.

>At work
>Pod of whales approaches
>All have terrible body odor
>Last one approaches the desk
>Have been trying not to breathe for the last five minutes.
>Has terrible breath you can smell from yards away.
>Think to myself: Please stop breathing
>She collapses seconds later, and we have to call an ambulance.

>>39750209
Imagine how big you could be if you were eating meat. Fucking vegetarian pussies. fucking hippies. fucking plants have feelings too you know

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>>39750474
Kill them all!
>>39750481
You ever see that video of the plants screaming when they cut them. Very sad stuff.

>>39750474
Somehow ugly and fat people do always smell terrible. Or is it just when good looking people smell it's less worse? So many questions

>>39750494
It's the cancer of our society . The fucking left party cuck nu males

>butt muh animals
>muhh morals
>muhhhh health

i fucking annihilate you

>>39743431
Why is Joseph best JoJo?

>>39750542
I think it's a correlation sort of thing. If you're the sort of person that eats until you're morbidly obese, you're also likely to be the type of person who doesn't bathe regularly or brush your teeth enough.

>>39750494
>Kill them all!
I don't think we have too. Fat acceptance does it.
Had to give medical info to the 911 operator. diabetic (doesn't take her insulin?!) with multiple congestive heart-failures by age 44.

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>>39750542
I mean seriously how can you not love steak?
>>39750609
>diabetic (doesn't take her insulin?!) with multiple congestive heart-failures by age 44.
Ahhh darwinism at work. A beautiful thing.

>>39750542

Hey mast

A PT told me to keep my arms Parrell to the ground and my arms locked out straight while I did wrist roller today

But the guy is like 180 lbs soaking wet and 25% bf

Is he memeing me? I did it like he said and I felt less pump and YouTube videos show guys doing it with elbows bent and not held out all the way

>>39750410
>I dont drink any protein shakes.
>I dont eat yogurt, cottage, eggs.
>I dont drink milk.
>I do eat cheese on occasion tho.

Um, where do you get protein from then? Do you much down a ton of tofu?

All the non-dairy vegetarian sources of protein I can think of (wheat gluten protein, beans, lentils, peas) have a lot of carbs per protein, meaning that if you get an adequate amount of protein through them you're also getting a TON of carbs.

Whereas with meat you can have pure protein with little to no carbs.

That's really cool that you're able to make gains on vegetarian diets without protein shakes or too much dairy - that is my goal. I guess I am telling you the reasons I tell myself for why I haven't made the switch yet.

What is an example of your daily diet, for example?

>what religion forbids eating meat breh
A bunch can be interpreted in that way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_and_religion

Eastern ones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa
Some Jews and Christians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_vegetarianism

>>39750481
MasT Do you think you would not be as big if you stopped eating meat?

>>39750118
turk girls have no middle ground though

been there and they’re literally either 2.5/10 darwin nightmare with unibrows and moustache or 9-11/10 sheherazade no fucking in between

do i sound superficial?
yes
do i care?
hahahano


also mirin dem vegetarian gains, could never do it cause i love meat but i’m no bitter hater like most of this board

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>>39750713
I would say forearms from the elbow joint forward must remain parallel with the deck.
So ya arms out straight works. Adds in some nice delt work too.

After starting a cycle, how long do you wait to get bloods?

>>39750440
been keking at the pic for what feels like an eternity... now i’m getting kinda sad because hard truth despite /pol/ack bias

>>39750440
Does MK make weed more enjoyable? I would imagine you get turbo munchies.

MK makes my hangover disappear, and for that I love it. I should probably be more regular with the dosing but damn it just tastes so shitty in solution.

>>39750807
not keeping to regular dosing is a downward spiral, i know people who treat this stuff like aspirin

not hating cause you do you and it is a blessing, but as a friend once said “if something feels too good aside from actual lifting you’re doing something wrong” lmao

>>39750841
>“if something feels too good aside from actual lifting you’re doing something wrong”
yea dont enjoy life

or having sex

>>39750743
lol i mean there are always ugly girls, but what you are saying is just usual bias with this hairy meme.

All i can speak of are the turkish girls i see in my gym and some of them are literal 9/10 sloots so yeah.

>>39750724
no tofu.

im always high carb yeah, and i dont care.

> morning, oats and soy milk
>at work, protein toast bread thingy
>at home, im cookin, its a mixture of onions, carrots, potatoes, rice
>combined with my protein toast bread thingy
>vegan pizza several times a week
>handful of hazel nuts/walnuts/tonsils (or almonds, not sure what you muricans call it)
>more oats ( i get like 300-400g of oats a day
>tea spoon of chia seeds
>all kinds of pills (vitamins, zink, vita D3, omega oils etc etc etc.

i dont track anything, i dont even know how many proteins im getting.
le bulking and le cutting is just from trial and error, i know how much will get me fat and how much will make me lose fat.

otherwise i think apart from the pizza, my meals are somwhat fine

>>39750941
why the fuck are people so faggy

>>39750872
not what i meant, just saying some gear is silly fun but should still not be treated like m&ms just because of cool side effects

ah whatever, i’m the one to speak honestly, do as i say not as i do and so on haha

>>39750987
what?

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>tfw consumed over 1g of dnp in the past 16 hours

>>39751004
>omfg muh evil meat

meanwhile everything he owns is made by chinese slaves who work for a few cents a day

>>39751023
>thinking this is even a lot to consume "within 16 hours" aka he just took his 500mg dose 8 hours earlier than usual

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>>39750778
Don't be sad anon! Embrace the future!
>>39750807
>Does MK make weed more enjoyable? I would imagine you get turbo munchies.
It doesn't make it more enjoyable in any way I can think of. It does give you turbo munchies. I have good self control with diet most of the time so this is not a problem really. Also 99% of the time I dose right before bed so I don't even notice the hunger.
>>39751023
RIP in peas anon.

>>39751028
i literally dont know what you are talking about anon.

how did you even make the transition from meat and nutrition to prodcuts made by chinese slave workers

>>39750941
I did enjoy the 9/10 sheherazade ones as i said, fun stuff

>Mandeln (nuts) = tonsils (body part)
TOPPESTKEK no offense

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>>39750758

>no one will address this man
>If I tell him to get blood work before he starts so he knows his baseline test levels I will be flamed

>>39750941

>This entire post

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just got my test levels tested twice, first time 190 ng/dl

go in to get trt, second blood test comes in 350 ng/dl.

praise the lord im cured because their cutoff is 300..
i'm fucking 24 and my test level barely rival a 80 year old man.

can one of you direct me to a useful place to learn and acquire what i clearly need.

>>39751096
fug u.

fyt me to death

>>39751023
>>39751055

>tfw gym is packed to the brim of girls that look like this or better
>don't talk to them because I just assume they'd be too much effort and hassle
>there aren't that many 6s, 7s, 8s for me to hit on because all the girls in my gym are supermodels

lel. Maybe it's because of ESTP ex traumatizing me I don't even look at 9s sexually anymore

>>39751055
embracing sucks

i’d rather drown it out with copious amounts of dangerous RCs kek

>>39751045
i am transparent to u anon
but ya i did a psuedo front load, took 600mg before bed. now will take 600mg every morning.

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>>39743431
Is this product legit?
Anyone used it?

>>39751115
>needs to mention ESTP ex every third post

woe is me still reading along while thirsty and jelly

>>39751096
I already have baseline bloods

>>39751105
There are clinics that will script you if you have a credit card and a pulse. Some online clinics too. Not hard to find.

why is cardio important while using roids?

would that not increase the chance of heart hypertrophy

>>39750841
>not keeping to regular dosing is a downward spiral, i know people who treat this stuff like aspirin

Yeah I get your point. I just treat it like a tool in my medicine cabinet (to use when I need to eat a lot or get really good sleep on weekends, etc.) but have yet to use it in a prolonged way (i.e. ED at a fixed dose at a fixed time).

I don't really use it "recreationally" though I see what you mean by the danger in not being regular. Never went above 25mg so I don't think I'm going to be "abusing" it (if that's even possible).

>>39750941
>im always high carb yeah, and i dont care.

Thanks for posting your diet, that is very helpful to me. I will look into getting good quality nuts- one of my fears in giving up milk is losing the good fats in my diet but I think nuts will serve that purpose very well.

>protein toast bread thingy
Um please explain I love bread

Do you mean something like peanut butter and toast (which has good protein)

>pills
Do you also take B vitamin separately? I heard that that is one of the big deficiencies in vegetarian diet. Also there are some articles about the need to supplement creatine. Not sure about that one though.

>>39751055
>It doesn't make it more enjoyable in any way I can think of. It does give you turbo munchies.
I see. Yeah I guess when using it the day after drinking alcohol it makes my mental tiredness/lethargy evaporate which is one of my least favorite things about weed but I guess that it's all personal preference as to whether removing lethargy is a benefit (because some people love getting couch locked).

>>39751154

>e-cucked me
>used me as a beta provider
>don't even buy into that red pill shit 100%, but there is no other word for what happaned
>spent all my money when I was at my poorest
>drove me misreable
>wanted to kill her
>wanted to kill myself
>was actually relived when I found out I was getting e-cucked because I had an excuse to leave her

Oh, also, when I left her, she drank bleech. I had to make her throw it up, or I'd had a dead bitch on my hands.

Also, the huge fucking scar on my forearm. Thanks!

It was the most mireable time of my life desu, don't be jelly

I was so much happier with 3/10 ex than estp ex

>>39751065
>doesnt eat meat because its evil
>meanwhile he supports slavery by owning slave-made products

>>39750941
how much fat would you say you get a day?

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>>39751115
Just wink at them at the top of every heavy deadlift. Works every time.
>>39751116
Save Europa anon. You are my only hope.
>>39751132
Great way of paying too much.
>>39751158
Just get bloods every 12 weeks on.
>>39751162
Nah it doesn't affect weed like it does alcohol. With alcohol I can feel myself getting sober when I pop 50mg but nothing with weed except turbo munchies.

>>39751187
>Just get bloods every 12 weeks on
Planning a 12 week cycle though. Want to make sure it's not bunk/I'm not gonna die

>>39751162
i honestly could have munched it all day on whatever dose because it indeed is fun. tried to establish an ED, went full retard like twice per week still. i usually have great control over myself even with more hardcore stuff but this just pushed my buttons.

approach it like a reasonable adult, and things should be fine desu


>>39751168
>never had the full story laid out like this despite silently following /fraud/ for ages
>both intrigued and horrified

feck i’m still kinda jelly cause while my love and sex life was stupid fun it lacked change and pep, was bland and uneventful, if that makes sense to you

rather ESTP and die than live with 7/10 run of the mill bimbos all your life

... ok i might need to calm my tits immediately this is the high talking, but alas you get my point

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>>39750440

> Germany loses WW1
> Europe is a complete dick to Germany, gives Poland the Danzig corridor in the middle of Germany, allows Jews to buy up their entire country
> Jews Jew until you need a wheelbarrow of Reichmarks to buy a loaf of bread
> Hitler, war veteran and fine artist, says "Let's fuck these Jews"
> he gets support, stages a few false flags and destroys the Marxist parties, gains control of country
> he fucks the Jews, years later Germany's economy is booming, outperforming the entirety of Europe, arts and sciences expand exponentially, birthrate jumps, everything is great
> Jews are mad, they begin anti-German campaigns in Europe and the United States
> ...
> Polish start killing Germans in the Danzig Corridor en masse
> Hitler pleads to the world to stop this and he's not heard
> Germany invades Poland, fucks up their shit
> Britain/France declare war as they planned; WW2 begins
> Hitler invades France immediately and fucks up their shit before they know what hit them
> ...
> Germany loses WW2, etc etc
> Patton says the wrong side won, starts speaking against the Jews, gets killed in a 'car accident'
> Germany's economy is total shit for at least 30 years as they rebuild, many move to the USA
> Germans are routinely discriminated against, nazi hunters, etc
> Polish-German hybrid Angela Merkel born in 1954
> her family moves from West Germany to East Germany
> she enters politics in 1989 after growing up in a shithole
> devises plan
> ...
> Merkelreich gains control of Europe
> pushes immigration and Marxist policy on everyone to create a reactionary movement
> Merkel sacrifices herself and marries the leftist agenda
> ...
> 2018, the Fourth Reich allies w/ the United States lead by President Donald J. Trump
> the Reich of the Black Sun comes out of hiding and shares their technology
> space empire

>>39751263
10/10 would watch in IMAX while high

>>39751162
its literally called "protein bread", thats all i can say. I buy it because its like 7g protein per slice.

No Vitamin B. Its a big deficiency in vegan diets. And i still do eat some animal products after all.
Its also included in my multi-vitamin so.

Nuts and seeds are goat man. So healthy, good fats, good protein.

>>39751177
absolutely no idea, but prolly alot.