Uncanny Remender Storytime Part 6: Ragnarok NOW!

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Why do people forget havok has proven himself as a leader

So these are the team line-ups for Uncanny Avengers and Secret Avengers that Remender originally wanted. What do you guys think?

Uncanny Avengers:
https://twitter.com/Remender/status/786248952035307521

Secret Avengers:
https://twitter.com/Remender/status/786250235286781952

>>86917057
As much as i wish theyd bring him back. Its pages like this that make me think logan deserved a nice long rest

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>>86917135

Fantomex and Psylocke being part of the pitch makes the weird Havok/Wasp relationship a lot more sense.

>>86917135
When is remender coming back to earth, we need him

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I feel like Simon in the bottom right could make for a good reaction image.

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>listen to what the man said! like the things he didn't actually say

>>86917079
>Simon and Hank

CUTE

>>86917247
>tfw he wasn't here to save Extraordinary X-Men and the X-Men line

Feels bad.

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Steve, you fought with a literal child soldier in WW2

get off your steadily aging high horse

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Thor is a bro and I love him in this series

>>86917192
>implying Bob wouldn't nuke em the moment he woke up

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this is the most batshit Horsemen lineup ever

i love it

>>86917399
Hey, it brought mah nigga Sean back fro mthe dead, I'll take it.

Apocalypse Twins is best arc.

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For someone who's a serious "HEROES NEVER KILL" guy, Remender seems pretty ok with torture.

When is based bob coming back to nuke the current shit marvel is doing?

Also
>tfw no horseman bob and pymtron team up written by remender with opena art

>>86917728
YESSS

>>86917342
Its furstrating but so in character that wolverine dosent clairfy or make excuses even though he could

>>86917342
Pr2tty sure the retconed bucky into being at least 18 when he did the soikd snake thing

>>86917794
This.

In this version, he's fucking insane as a Horseman/Apoc

>>86917295
See, it's stuff like this that made it pretty hard to enjoy the book. On the one hand you have Remenders Pulp Sci-fi craziness like the fucking S-Men and the Apocalypse Twins, on the other you have all the characters acting like total cunts and serious interpersonal drama.
I feel like it's trying to be two things at once.

>>86917431
God rouge is such a cunt dose she ever get better

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>>86917981

She chills out towards the end.

>>86917010
This cover was way lamer than in the solicit, it was Wolverine hung up on some kind of pyramid wall.

>>86917459
I dint thunk remnder is strictly heroes dont kill i just think he throughly explors the pros and cons

>>86918136

Jesus Christ, being Wolverine is more suffering than literally any other superhero. Batman and Spider-Man have shit on logan

>>86918133
That's correct. Uncanny X-Force was a lot about the consequences of killing. Killing just lead to more suffering for the cast.

>>86918169
Logan has the "benefit" of living a lot longer. It's easy to rack up suffering points when you're impossible to kill, and every other sniktbub is evil.

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Sentry is so good in this.

>>86918206
true, but seriously, between all the people he's loved getting murdered, the suffering inflicted by his own kids, the physical trauma he routinely suffers, the psychological and emotional fuckery he's been through from both friends, governments, and enemies, etc., the mental trauma of his amnesia AND the mental trauma of getting decades of suffering back in your memory, I don't know anyone who comes close.

>>86918344
Scott's Dredd face is great.

>>86917936
Id argue that the latter is what made the x-men popular

>>86918721
I was half expecting Simon to break his oath of pacifism and kill her to keep her from being used

>>86918072
God shiro was in the road to such great things befor marv3l derailed all of remnders plans.

Now hes back to one off apperances in mediocore x-books

>>86918241
Remender needs to get his ass back to marvel and explain this shit

>>86918288
Banner maybe?

>>86919037
>Sabretooth set up Logan to kill his son and got it on film
IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO!

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>>86919130

Oops, accidentally put this one here. Sorry about that.

Wonder Man, Sunfire, and Thor were best characters in this book.

>>86918452
Didn't kang do this shit with black bolts son as well

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Next comes this page: >>86919130

>>86919187
Kang's got an MO.

>>86917247
Seven to Eternity's first issue was the tits.

>>86918664
I waited all avx for someone to bring this up.

>>86919065
That sums up there entire relationship when you think about it

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>rogue plz don't kill
>i know he really meant to say "kill that fucking bitch"
>rogue stop
>what's that? kill her harder? CAN DO

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A B S O L U T E

M A D M A N

>>86919611
Haha, why is she so perfect, bros?
;_;

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I love this scene. You really get the profound sense that everything is going wrong.

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I think all this stuff is why, in hindsight, I prefer Uncanny Avengers to Hickvengers. Hickvengers is constant cockteasing for future events that only end up disappointing. This, though? This is just full, balls to the wall, "holy shit" with every other page.

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>>86917295

UA really showed Remender at his worst.

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3 team members dead in one issue.

And it's only going to get worse from here, folks.

>>86919743
I think she may be dead.

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>>86919789

I'm not sure I agree. I think Tokyo Ghost is probably my least favourite thing of his that I've read. There are some pretty low low points in this series, but I think the action and pacing of the Apocalypse Twins arc is phenomenal.

also, plz keep images till the end of the storytime, plzty

I always find it funny with Remender. He keeps having things fall to shit because the heroes choose to kill, yet he never shows how matters are supposed to be resolved with not killing.

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>lmao wanda and simon died for literally nothing

>>86919789
Captain America is his worst Marvel work--well that and SIXIS, but >events. It's a shame too because at the core, it's the trappings of a really cool story, also SIM.

After the first 4 or so issues, UA is really good. Even "March" was good shit.
The """Vol.""" 2 comprise some of his 5 best issues.

Fuck SIXIS

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Sentry's dialogue throughout this whole series is A+ insanity.

>>86919917
well, their death and actions were guided, they had no way out, people who are acutely aware of multiple future events and how to shape them usually get to do that.

so its more like they died for exactly someone elses purpose

the weirdest thing about this entire event is that the Twins were sincere, and they didn't die, they still exist but were never mentioned again, such a shame for such cool and interesting villians.

>>86919243
If he keeps stealing peoples kids people will start to talk.....

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>>86919927

I liked the Dimension Z arc and the little Sam Wilson story he did in All-New Captain America. Everything in between was pretty poor, though.

Axis was weird, this event heavily hinted at Axis, and everyone was warned about Axis in this event.

yet it retcons stuff FROM THIS EVENT (wanda and Peitro are simply no longer Mutants, because)

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I fucking love this page.

Horseman Sentry is Best Sentry.

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>>86920021

Honestly, I get the impression SIXIS was a 100% editorial driven series. Everything in Uncanny Avengers points to some kind of Age of Red Onslaught event, but instead we get three issues of people fighting them, and then...well, SIXIS.

did Sentry Survive this event? I know the Twins did... I remember Sentry helped save the day and held up the Celestial Foot.

>>86919991
If the Dim Z arc was just standalone OGN shit, I'd have loved it. He just seemed not to have a grip on /Cap/.
>>86920021
This is an arc, not an event fampai, but yeah, it's obvious there were some pretty huge dangling threads that Axis just chopped away.
Real shame.

>>86920142
Yes.
>>86920073
According to an AMA, memender basically had to fly completely solo. So I'm guessing editorial said neat, make it an event, Rick said wat, and they said later pal!

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TUMBLING TUMBLING DOWN

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IN THIS ISSUE: Thor is fucking amazing

>>86920331
That fucking thumbs down.

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This is a cool team.

>before the Red Onslaught, and the decline

It's like Remender knew Marvel would go to shit after he left.

>Post yfw "I CARE NOT"
(but don't actually post yfw)

>>86918994
Why doesn't he use this power more often?

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>>86920489

Just wait.

>>86919789
Naw this epic story telling that encapsaltes why i fucking read comics in the first place

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>to save the earth, the heroes must stop the descent of a million-mile long foot

I fucking love comic books.

>>86917925

It must have been a real hick town with tons of incest for no outsiders to realize it was gone.

>>86919878
Pucks a mutant?

I thought he was just a strong midget

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Holy fucking shit Thor

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT, THOR

>>86920827
>Holy fucking shit Thor

Thor don't give a a hot fuck about their horseshit. Humans, mutants, whatever, they're all mortals under his protection, and what matters is an enemy is threatening them.

>>86920149
>>86920149
Say what you will about how rick writes cap i do like how he was the first to show a trully falible cap

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IN THIS ISSUE: He actually does it, the absolute madman

>>86917053
Because who the fuck remembers what Havok does in the first place?>

>>86920992
Me

>>86920649

>Celestial work boots

kek.

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RIP Literally Everyone

>>86919901
>yet he never shows how matters are supposed to be resolved with not killing.
See >>86921245

>>86921472

Whelp. Guess thats the end...or...is it?

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:(

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That's all for today! Where the fuck can Remender go after this? Find out tomorrow in AVENGE THE EARTH!

>>86921400
This is like the bad end of a visual novel

>>86921837
Remender is a known weeb.

>>86921657
Gods work anon

>>86921657
I TRIED SO HARD

>>86919166
Remender seems to like Wonder Man (he must be the only writer who actively ships him with Scarlet Witch over Vision) but he really left him in a tough place.

I remember when this story ran people were really upset over two of the deaths - not that anyone believed they would stick, just that Remender was doing "deaths that will obviously be reversed" again - but nobody cared about Wonder Man because he's died so many times before. Him and his brother alike.

>>86919835

No, I mean post UA5 it definitely got interesting but all those preaching moment were the worst.

>>86919968

Uriel died.

>>86919968
>>86922681
I'm pretty sure it's left hanging on purpose.

Anyways, I'm certain that had Rick stayed on and done the X-Men, they would've showed up again to closeout his "Apocalypse Trilogy".

Anyone think that 'Apocalypse Wars' would've featured all those who had a claim to the Apocalypse mantle throwing down? Cause I certainly do.

I know Remender and Bunn bounce ideas back and forth. I'm pretty confident in my guess that UXM played out like one section of what Rick had been planning.

>Autism Worthington III
>Evan
>Genocide
>Apoc Twins, or maybe just Eimin

Would've been da best.

>>86917668
If rogue absorbed thors powers would she be able to lift mjolnir

>>86922842

What are you talking about? His sister literally mentions he died.

>>86917135
Damn, those both look really good.

Fuck whoever told him he could use them.

>>86918452
Fuck you Kang. Just fuck you.

>>86923334
>His sister literally mentions he died.
Ah, I see you haven't read the arc to conclusion.

She says both of them are about to die (yes herself included) /die/, but we have no final resolution as all we get to see is Daken and Reaper walking out of the crashed ship with their bodies.

>>86918553
I really love this Wasp costume.

>>86923641
It's so good.

>>86919058
>even in death Wolverine let's his son down

Damn, being Logan really is suffering.

>>86919155
>Even Alex suggesting we see ourselves as one people ignites hatred.
SJWs BTFO

>>86919991
I don't know, the Iron Nail arc was a pretty fun. Then again Im a fan of 60's beatnik styled villains.

>>86920043
Best page

>>86920073
From what I've heard, Remender had planned for it to be an arc, but editorial decided it should be an event.

Not sure how Remender took it, but he clearly was planning for it, as he starts to adjust things in UA to match the "Time Runs Out" story Hickman was writing, clearly with the intention of having SIXIS tie in with that somewhat.

But then, Bendis decides to have his own event comic the same year, before SIXIS, pushing his story back and knocking the wind out of it's sales. He may have even stole some of Remenders ideas, as "Thor becomes unworthy" fit's a lot more in SIXIS than it does in Original Sin, though admiringly this is just speculation.

>>86924029
>Bendis decides to have his own event comic the same year
Aaron

>>86924029
>>86924054
Also, iirc, Aaron and Remender set up the Jarnbjorn idea together.

>>86920152
He likes his Cap tortured and beaten, which is fine, but 25 issues of that is a bit much.

A mini sounds like a good idea, though.

>>86924124
>but 25 issues of that is a bit much.
Exactly how I felt. I think issue 14 is when I started to get bored with it.

>>86918947
I like deaf old man steve

>>86924029
The only thing I recall Remender saying about AXIS is pointing out that none of the big books were tying in with it (all the tie-ins were marginal books, writers like Bendis and Aaron kept out of it... I don't even think Remender's Captain America tied in).

I don't know how late in the process it became an event, but it was clearly a stopgap because Marvel just couldn't go even a few months without an event of some kind. So they threw multiple artists onto the book to get it out on a compressed schedule.

Remender called it a "summer blockbuster" and he clearly decided to have some stupid fun with it by throwing in the silliest ideas possible (Hulk becomes "Kluh"). But it left UA without any real ending, especially because volume 2 was really just a limited series about Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch getting retconned.

>>86919058
>daken died betting on you logan
Fuck that hurts
I feel so bad for daken
And Logan I guess

>>86924054
My mistake. Thanks.

>>86917295
>he's asking us to not be standoffish cunts who refuse to integrate into society
Fuck off Rogue jesus christ

>>86919257
>killed my son
>killed Warren
>killed child apocalypse
"None of that is true"
Literally all of that is true though
???

>>86924406
If you only count issues 5-22, it sort of works as a complete story.

As for the retconning of Wanda and Pietro, that was an editorial mandate according to Remender. Vol. 2 would have likely explored more stuff than just their new origin, but he ended up leaving Marvel right after the first arc, so we'll never know what would have come of it.

>>86919300
Yes because what we've learned from this whole situation is that killing people has no negative consequences
Fuck I hate rogue

>>86924406
I gotta say, as #triggered by it as I am, Wanda retconning herself was pretty fucking cool.

>HAHA fuck you, dad! I'm not a mutant anymore!

>>86924497
Noproblem famalam

>>86924651
Rogue wasn't in on the X-Force secret.

Technically, he only killed one of the parties mentioned.

>>86924657
>If you only count issues 5-22, it sort of works as a complete story.
Yeah, that's how I choose to look at it.

>>86924651
Fathomex killed evan despite the team deciding not too

If you can call what happend to warren killing him, psylocke did thatm

Wolverine killed dakken though

>>86919937
>ignore the sentry
This seems like a very bad idea jan

>>86924999
>Fathomex killed evan despite the team deciding not too
NOTHING WRONG

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>>86924735
Too many damned characters have retcon powers.

Remender posted his concept art first pitching the book on twitter today and the team there is so much better it's funny

>>86925200
Huh, had no idea....
>>86917135

>>86925100
>Decided not too.

Bull. Shit.

The plan was kill him dead no matter what, no matter the cost, it gets done. That was the plan. That was the only plan.
The FauxFrenchFop was the only one to actually follow the team decision.

>>86925244
Do you not understand what "NOTHING WRONG" means?

It means your post was a complete waste of time and that, yes, I agree, Fantomex did NOTHING WRONG.

>>86920229
Oh fuck

>>86920378
Is that the fucking vision with the Phoenix force? What the hell that's awesome but so op

>>86925244
Actually, the team changed their minds. The two co-leads called it off. Fantomex, as we see, was following his own agenda, and would've most likely done it even if the team had gone in on a rescue op.

>>86920498
HYPE

>>86925284
I figured all CAPS was /co/ code for sarcasm. My bad.

>>86925389
"Changing their minds" is still a "what" in the criteria of "...no matter what."
The plan was Apocalypse dies. Period.

>>86925244
They changed there minds.

Much like with hope, despite wolverine saying he would do it he couldnt go through with it

>>86921472
I love how the celestials have kirby dots all around them

Remender sure writes a great thor

>>86925683
If he comes back, he should write Thor after Aaron is done.

>>86925797
>If he comes back
It's gonna be a long, long time before that happens.

>>86925200
One of the problems with the cast he wound up with is that the "Avengers" side of the cast is stronger than the "X-Men" side of the cast.

Most of the characters are Avengers mainstays, including Wolverine at that point, and the X-Men side is basically represented by Havok and Rogue.

If he could have got even one other X-Men regular like Psylocke it would have felt more like the mashup it was supposed to be.

>>86925851
Psylocke's history is too convoluted and messed up to introduce her to a whole new readership casually, even the X-books gloss over it when they introduce her.

They picked familiar mainstream characters with simple-to understand powers and nothing too X-weird about them.

>>86926192
Then what was the point of having a team of Avengers and Xmen members?

>>86925851
>>86926192
tee bee aytch, Betsy and Fantomex have no business on an Avengers roster promoting Mutant/Human relations.

I mean >Wolverine >Avengers is a fine counter, but at least he's always been pretty public since joining up with the X. People know him.
Havok makes sense for political reasons, and he's actually been really involved in the X-Men's history, despite what the Morrison babbies would believe.
Frankly, I think Rachel would've been a phenomenal pick. She's stayed clean, and there could've been some fantastic interplay between her and the Twins, what with the dark futures and all. She would've been perfect for the team, much more so than Alex.

>>86926235
Are you, by chance, a mental invalid?

>>86925851
>>86926308

Beast not being on the team is the dumbest move to be. well also no Storm but that was editorial

>>86926235
(A)- to make The Avengers more actively tolerant and less exclusionary to the mutie population. Cap America was getting called out on being a bigot far too often.
(B)- to bring the X-Men more into the Marvel U as a whole and show a worldview that's more than just Avengers dealing with Avenger problems, X-Men dealing with X-Men problems, Inhumans... etc, etc.
(C)- to find a place for some of the X-Men who are no longer the focus of X-Men stories but still have a loyal fanbase who will still buy comics.

>>86925807
Does anyone have the story on WHY he left Marvel? He was my favorite Marvel writer, and I miss him

>>86927231
Nobody knows, but my money is on Brevoort.

>>86927279
Makes sense. It hurts still, marvel's lost so many good writers.

>>86920827
>>86920856
>>86920498
This is the fucking Thor I used to know, being able to wield and throw Cap's sheild like it's nothing. What happened to him now?

>>86928206
He learned one day he wasn't the big-wig he thought he was and lost his favorite toy because of it.
(Literally)
Then he picked a fight he wasn't up for and lost an arm.
Then he got Dwarf-made cybernetics.
Then he sulked for a bit.
And now he has his own book separate from Thor and that picky hammer with high standards.

The End.

>>86928341
>And now he has his own book
Almost, and it's a limited.

>>86928341
I know most of that. It's just I don't know what's happening with Thor after Hickman's Secret Wars since I stopped reading comics during that delayfest.

>>86928350
What is it?

>>86928378
The Unworthy Thor. He got Ultimate Mjolnir or something after Secret Memes

>>86928390
Is it worth reading at least?

>>86928467
Considering it isn't out yet, I couldn't say.

I'm trepidatiously optimistic.

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>>86928350
>Limited

Boo-hoo, it's not like they're going to kill him off at the end of it. They've invested a great deal of mystery and drama into his current story and until he gets his worthy back, reveals the secret whispered secret of god-shame, shows us all what magic robot arms can do, and defeats a big-time Thor villain mono-E-mono in manly battle his potential stories have yet to be told.

>>86928483
>The first issue of The Unworthy Thor #1 is on sale November 2.
I don't think I can wait for this.

>>86928516
>They've invested a great deal of mystery and drama into his current story
What story? All I know about what's happening to him right now is that he was kidnapped by aliens. Shit has happened to him for over a year.

I really love Acuna's work on the background. All the Akkaba stuff as this weird future-Japanese/Egyptian glowy stuff looked incredible.

>>86920142
Bob seems quite freaking indestructible now

>>86920615
THIS

Ragnarok Now is a wild ride in the best sense of the words

>>86920913
kinda wanted Sentry to kill her and take the axe t b h

>>86928906
It's awesome. I know a lot of people think it looks muddy, but it's really really cool. Especially the zany Counter-Earth stuff.
>>86929208
He's the heir to Apocalypse!