Uncanny Remender Storytime Part 5: Uncanny Avengers 1-8AU

Oh shit nice welcome back anon

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Part 1: >>86778697
Part 2: >>86799611
Part 3: >>86822882
Part 4: >>86846189

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That was a pretty shitty speech, sniktbub.

I've realized about the latest volumes of this book, every time I try to read Remender's run i get bored and stop around "Call me alex" bc it's really stupid, but anyway this book works as an Avengers book but not a XBook

>>86894382

>maintaining your principles when you're up against a wall is the only time it really means anything

PRETTY SURE you're paraphrasing Cyclops from God Loves, Man Kills, wolverine...

Are you going to be doing axis? If so, tie ins too or just main event?

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Thor is pretty much the only thing about this series that is consistently great.

>>86894411

Xavier clearly didn't expect the dream to be realized in his lifetime, 1. because that's not how these movements work and 2. because he's already died like 5 times

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>>86894475

Yep, I'm doing SIXIS. Probably just the main issues, but we'll see when we get there.

>storytime starts right when I get off work
Hell yea dude

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Get ready for literally every character in this series to be a massive asshole (except Thor).

>>86894513

Havok is so low on the list of "X-Men potential leaders" it's frustrating. tho it is funny to read it as Cap being unintentionally racist "yeah you're like your brother right"

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they're like the Final Horsemen, only shit

>>86894677

part of the reason Wanda and Pietro became Avengers was to make up for their time in the Brotherhood. Which they never believed in but Mags manipulated them (Oh I saved your lives work for me)

>>86894751

i love Remender's villain designs, they always have a cool kinda retro bronzeish age feel.

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lolwhat

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This series has some pretty great covers

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Not doing the recaps this time because I have no nostalgia for these ones (originally read this series in trade)

Did the red skull ever fight the x-men or meet Xaiver before this? Just seems a bit out of nowhere for him to aqquire his brain

>>86894892

Magneto once locked him in a basement pretty far underground with a bucket and left him

>>86894971
>Genosha
>Manking murdered sixteen million mutants
Um no, that was Cassandra Nova, a mutant with a grudge against Xavier.

I love Uncanny Avengers. The next arc is great.

>>86894899

>picking the pretty people

both Angel and Storm have mutant powers that are literally "they're so fucking beautiful"

storm should be leading this team

Poor Avalanche, why'd he have to die? One of the few villains who'd managed to stay as a good guy for a decent amount of time.

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>>86895099

Storm is a great choice. Havok is just...I dunno why Remender picked him. Is Havok his husbando?

>>86894282
Im gonna buy this omni cause I already own the rest of the run but I'd like to read it first. You got a DL link OP?

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I love the idea of a Red Skull clone having to get caught up on what happened to the world in his absence. Do you think he posted on /pol/ during that time?

>muties get out reeeeeeeeeee

>>86895113
Probably because he's Scott's brother so you can wring some drama out of that.

>>86895113
Isn't havok usually one of the people who leave the x-men every chance he gets?

>>86894484
Him and Shiro I think.

>>86895132

>70 years when the world had forgotten me and my atrocities.

pretty optimistic Red

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>>86895120

http://getcomics.info/marvel/uncanny-avengers-001-021-free-download/

Make sure your antivirus is up to date. The download itself is clean, but it goes through a couple dodgy pages to get it.

Im still waiting for based bob to come back from the whr and save us from all this current shit

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>>86895150

You'd think, right? But I don't the two interact, like, once, after the first issue.

>>86895132
I'm still not sure why Remender felt the need to make this Red Skull a clone that only had memories up to 1942. That means he has virtually no history with any character, and he barely knows Steve. The original Red Skull had met Magneto, was buried alive by him.
It gets weirder since later Nick Spencer treats him like he has the full memories of the Red Skull, since he remembers having the Cosmic Cube that Kobik comes from.

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When this was coming out, I was waiting for a character to interrupt all this "muh xavier" stuff with "um, do you guys not remember that xavier was actually a gigantic asshole?"

>>86895242
Dude just went on comicvine and read up on his own history during his spare time

>>86895242

i was trying to remember if this Skull and the Skull currently doing HYDRA stuff were the same.

damn lotta nazi clones out there marvel

>>86895207
Yeah, seems like wasted potential. I think mainly it was to cause conflict with the other members because everyone hated him for what Cyclops did etc.
Also, I kind of wish Cap wasn't in this book. I mean, it makes some sense because they're fighting Red Skull, but I wish he'd had him set up the team and then leave it with Alex. It goes from "Alex trying to prove his leadership skills" to "Alex sits sullenly in the corner while Cap leads"

>>86895263

no one ever actually acknowledges how Xavier is the worst.

>>86895187
>An immense source of power
Remender acknowledges that Wanda is NOT a reality-warping lunatic like Bendis tried to make her, she was only that powerful because she was posessed by the Life Force.

>>86895282
They are, the Hydra Skull still has Xavier's abilities.

>>86895296
I can never decide if Xavier being a cunt is actually his personality, or if it's just the result of every writer trying to put their own spin on it.

>>86895297

And that Mt Wungadore/Chthon made her magic all amped.

>>86895322

where he is physically? doesn't cap just talk to him with a hologram all Emperor y

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I love that this cover naturally draws the viewer's eyes to Red Skull's crotch.

>>86895341

I mean, even back in the Lee/Kirby stuff he's mind wiping and faking deaths.

>>86895187
Thanks mane and yeah its all up to date and adblock should stop those. Also $50 for 21 issues? Marvel acts like jews about everything.

>>86895352
True. That stuffs all a bit difficult to judge him by though, I think most of the stuff Lee and Kirby did the characters often came off as... unfriendly if taken at face value. Like, Xavier would pull stuff like that, but it would usually just be taken in stride.

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I don't like the overwrought narration in this book. Sometimes it's ok, but honestly I think the book would have been better without them.

>>86895398
I agree.
That said, this page looks really cool.

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>>86895383

>most of the stuff Lee and Kirby did the characters often came off as... unfriendly if taken at face value

This. Reed Richards was pretty fucking sexist, even for the time, but everyone's cool with it.

>>86895132
Amusingly, this Red Skull is the least racist version ever. Sure, he's genocidal against mutants, but he has a bunch of different ethnic minorities working for him.

>>86894282
I just really don't like Wolverine as an Avenger, but I guess there have been worse

>>86895419
Beyond just sexist, nigga used the Ultimate Nullifier on his own son without really batting an eye.
I think it's just a difference in narrative delivery honestly.
And don't get me started on fucking Magneto. Guy was hilariously evil.

>>86895263
Yeah its understandable for some like beast or iceman who has known him since they were young and saved them from being lynched so would still think of him in a postive light but for most of the others like illyana who he treated like crap or all the times he faked his death or altered memories to manipluate them you think some might hold a grudge

>>86895099

Storm and Brother Voodoo were both picked by Remender for this team but for some reason editorial wouldn't okay it for the starting roster.

>>86895398

i feel like it took a little bit but eventually Remender nailed it. there was an AvX issue I think he did that had a ton of it that I loved.

>>86895461
So, how do the civilians know that the S-Men aren't mutants? They sure look like mutants.

>>86895461
>Having his lackie poor scotch while he commits genocide
Fucking kek.
Also, Cassaday draws Skull's teeth weird.

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>>86895489

The Sublime virus in their bacteria knows they're human.

>>86895489
Skull's mind powers, he's marking them with a psychic "X".
These people are literally not thinking for themselves.

>>86895480
To be fair, Brother Voodoo has no place on a team meant to unite the Avengers and the mutants, since he is neither. He feels out of place in later volumes.

>>86895512
>>86895536
>Go be Captain America
>Go be Wolverine
SUCH GREAT LEADERSHIP

>>86895536
I definitely feel like Remender was going for a kind of Silver Age narration feel, which is why it's so overwrought sounding. Don't think it really matches what's going on though.

>>86895419

Ummm...Reed respects women. Like Abe Lincoln's mom!!

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>random turtle man is one of the hardest times The God of Fucking Thunder has ever been hit

Yeah, alright, whatever, dude.

>>86895480

well at least he tried.

also Beast should be on this team as someone who has ties to both

>>86895529

Sure, but Storm was a fucking lock. Easily a better choice for team leader than Havok. I can only imagine editorial didn't want Remender getting his weird all over a highly marketable character.

Weird that they didn't want any black characters on the flagship book about diversity, though. Maybe they didn't want the character who was being set up as the token mutant to literally be black.

>>86895615
>Honest John
There's something hilarious about that.

>>86895563
The Red Skull is pretty good at dodging

>>86895589
Wasn't the Turtle Man casually killed by Magneto?

>>86895623

fuck you're probably close to the truth. and then remender doubled down when people thought it was strange to have such an aryan fuck talking about accepting the differences in people

>>86894282
My biggest issues with this at the time were:

- The amped-up hostility between characters (this was Scarlet Witch's first chance to be in a comic in years and I didn't dig seeing her and Rogue play "dueling assholes")
- The endless delays to let Cassaday draw it, and his art wasn't even that good

They fixed the art problem when Acuña came on as the interior artist but I don't think Remender completely solved the characterization problems.

The first four issues are pretty meh tbqh.

5 is fine, 6-22 are /essentialmemendercore/ though.

Reading past 22 is a MISTAKE

>>86895611

Amen to that. Too bad Bendis had dibs on Beast when this was written.

>>86895645
>Wasn't the Turtle Man casually killed by Magneto?
Later on I think.

>>86895623
I think it was more that Jason Aaron had dibs on using her.

>>86895623
Yeah. I feel like a lot of the issues with this book was that it was meant to be a flagship title. I loved Remender fine on stuff like X-Force, but here you definitely feel like he wants to really let loose but can't.

>>86895589

oh he's a not Juggernaut

>>86895655
>>86895623
Why is your generation so fixated on race. Like how fucked up in the head are you people that this is where your mind jumps to.

>>86895645

Magneto kills all the S-men as I recall. Damn shame, too. I liked those racist dicks.

>>86895659
Yeah. That part's mostly on Remender I feel, the man likes to write sad, unlikeable assholes. It's his forte.

>>86895696

Dude the bad guy in this book is a fucking super Nazi and the themes are all about coming together despite differences

One of the images is being bad, gimme a sec here folks

>>86895643
>>86895675
This reminds me of that time Magneto used some device that forced Steve Rogers to tell the truth, only to find out that Steve truly has absolutely no hatred against mutants at all. No bigotry of any kind.
This shocked him so much that he surrendered and agreed to stand trial.

>>86895480
Brother Voodoo was dead at the time because Bendis killed him off. Remender spent years trying to get permission to bring him back, finally got to do it in AXIS and then left soon after.

The cast does remind me that in 2012 there wasn't as much media controversy as there would be now about launching a book with an all-white cast. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, just that over the next few years race/diversity issues would become a much bigger part of the comics media. (This may be one reason the blowup over Havok's speech took Marvel by surprise, it was kind of new then.)

>>86895723
I understand that but I don't look at people and see "Aryan" or "black" I just see a person. I don't understand why your generation looks for race issues and divisions in everything.

>>86894282
I always loved this series, since Thor and Wolverine are my two favorite Marvel Characters and they both get great characterization and moments in this series

>>86895716
I think Honest John showed up in the latest volume of UA.

>>86895728

X-Men vs Avengers.

>>86895755
>Our generation
Nigga the Nazi's were not from "our generation"

>>86895781
Wow. "Nigga" huh. Keep building up walls by reinforcing that race is an issue. I'll just keep seeing everyone as a person.

>>86895675
Remender and Brevoort made a big deal about the attempt to revive the old-fashioned third person caption in this book. (It's very Claremont X-Men or Busiek Avengers.) Remender gave up on it about halfway through, but it's kind of fun in a bombastic way.

Thought balloons and third-person captions are the two old-school devices writers are always trying to bring back and never quite succeeding.

>>86895803

Look at this Alex right here.

>>86895822
Yeah, I can understand what he was going for, but it's like when Bendis tried to revive thought-bubbles in New Avengers. This is less annoying, but it still doesn't work. I think if he cut it down to one or two narration boxes per panel it would be more effective.

>>86895774

Oh yeah, I forgot about that! Good find.

>>86895826
>He hasn't taken a life since Xavier's funeral
That was a week ago Logan! A week!

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>>86895877

what can I say, drowning your son in a shallow pool gives you such a taste for murder that you're counting the days to the next one

>>86895877
That's a long time!

>>86895876
Remember that time Thor teamed up with Hitler back in WWII?

Honest John is hilarious.

you'd think they would try to get a physic on the team after all this red skull shit

>>86895966
PSYCHICS ARE SCARY, ANON!

>>86895877
That's probably the longest time Logan has gone without killing anyone in years.

>>86894304
You know hes not wrong about mutants being shit

There were only 2 xmen that didnt sign up for cyclops bull shit.

>>86894569
wtf his shield absorbs the energy, stopping it cold.

>>86895966
You'd think, but I feel like half of Marvel's big name Psychics are mutants, and of those all the known ones are dead, children or Emma Frost.

>>86896008
>THERE ARE NO WORDS

>>86896028
Huh?

>>86896046
Third panel.

>>86894795
Meanwhile, at the Legion of Doom...

>>86896046
It's a joke about that goddawful 9/11 comic Marvel did.

>>86894828
Such a great cover.

>>86894828

Love me some hypno skull.

>>86894466
Cyclops is a quitter not surpisng he gave up on having real morals

>>86896088
>Kill the hobos too while we're at it.
>Might a well kill the jews as well, for old time's sake

>>86896129
>Oh hey, are those homosexuals?
>Hot damn, we've got us a party now!

>>86895811
>that pose
i love it

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This is a cool page.

Shame it never actually happens.

>>86896149
>images before the stortime is over
breh, delet it now, or I'll call my uncle, who works for 4cchan, and you'll wish you'd never even heard of this site.

>>86896175
you are so right im sorry i wasnt thinking

>>86896162
>Angel
wtf, that's clearly Rogue?

>>86896162
Isn't banshee and jean already dead at this point?

>>86896162

>Magneto and Jean Grey at large

phew!

the sentinals having red faces is great

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>>86896207

All these muties look the same to the Red Skull.

>>86894677
Wolverines not to bad.


Rouge is worse the beast at his lowest though

>>86896224
Well, it does say "Slain" over there names.

>>86896224

Banshee was, I think maybe it's supposed to be Teen Jean? i can't remember when the came to the future

I hadn't realized how long Cyke has had that stupid Bendis costume

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>>86894677
>that last pannel

X-men btfo

when did Rogue lose her ms marvel powers anyway?

>>86896301
Dumb Evansposter >>86896175

>>86895721
There's a grain of a good idea there because Scarlet Witch is (I guess, was) probably the most famous mutie who never actually joined a mutie group. (Even Quicksilver was in X-Factor.) She and Rogue were both in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants but Wanda chose to join the assimilated Good Guy team and Rogue went with the X-Men.

But that idea really never gets developed, it's just them yelling at each other or talking about Alex's speech.

>>86895930
"No healing factor", regardless of how much magic you wish to assign his ability to heal a damaged brain, this brain should be pulped and he should be dead here without it. That's far more severe than a car accident, bouncing his brain around inside his indestructible skull.

>>86896342
>THERE ARE NO WORDS

>>86894874
I always loved this moment thor saying hes gonna handle this shit cause we cant

>>86896286
Not fatal.
Shot through the middle of the chest.
Spine obviously severed.

>>86896301
You dont post images during storytimes faggot. Fuck man we seriously need a thread to educate the newfags.

>>86896414

>you will not be fighting alone

this is so dumb, what's Thor even saying

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HE'S ACTUALLY DOING IT

THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>86896467
NONE OF THIS SHIT EVER HAPPENED
What the fuck?

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In this issue: Havok pisses off just about everyone

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>>86896506

I think this is what was going to happen if they didn't invert the Red Skull

>>86896542
So, if X-Force knew about Akkaba City, why did they just leave it there and do nothing about them?

>>86896506
Because Remender's Onslaught climax turned into AXIS which turned into a completely different plot which turned into Retcon Hell.

Too bad, I would have liked to see Red Onslaught as an actual story.

>>86896556
>WAH! WAH! I'M THE HEIR OF APOCALYPSE
He really is a kid.

Also, seriously, what's the deal with these Bird People?

>>86896581
I don't think mutants existed in Kang's future, did they?

>>86896647
How many issues are you doing today?

>>86896542
>>86896556
>>86896581
These pages (coupled with a few from The World arc) are proof, in my mind, that Remender was gonna pull the rug out from under Evan and have him go full Apocalypse in a less hamfisted way than SIXIS.

>tfw no Remender Apocalypse trilogy

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>>86896673

Doing up to Issue 8, as well as the Age of Ultron tie-in.

>>86896697
OTP

Sharon a shit! A SHIT!!!

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Oh boy

It's THIS scene, everybody

>>86896828
DUDE DROWN YOURSELF IN HOBO PISS LMAO

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so what do we call a group of you

alexes?

alexii?

>>86894874
Few decades late Thor.

>>86896864
>inb4 30 replies

>>86895083
Eh, even the X-men say that shit sometimes.

>>86896864
People

>>86896864
So the x-men are now the alex alliance?

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So, are we taking bets on how soon this guy is going to show up in Marvel NOWER! and immediately die?

>>86896980
He died in Vision, no Horseman affliction.
Daken is supposed to show up in the """X-23""" book, un Horseman'd

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>had the powers of Ms.Marvel for years
>doesn't know how to control super strength

wew lad

>>86897036
Carol is weak sauce compared to Simon, pfft

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Alright gang, I know the first few issues were a bit of a mixed bag, to say the least, but trust me, starting here, the series gets A LOT better.

>>86896980

Wonder Man or Reaper?
Reaper is dead again (thanks to Vision + family)
Wonder Man is still trapped in Rogue's head

>>86895242
Original Red Skull had died in Brubakers run.
Remender wanted to use the Red Skull, but since he had died only a couple years earlier real time, he didn't want to be cheap and bring him back so soon. So he made it a clone, which also gave him free reign to characterize him how he wanted (notice how Clone Skull is more Cobra Commander like than the previous Skull).

>>86897036

I love that this almost instantly turned into ROGUE BAD
instead of the real life headlines it would've caused of Rogue being a hero making the hard choices in the line of duty that other people could never understand #herolivesmatter

>>86897078
>Wonder Man is still trapped in Rogue's head
Nope, he got purged on Counter-Earth in v.2, but she's got his powers still.

>>86895398
I found it really annoying in this opening story arc, which made me almost drop the book how intrusive it was and just dragged the action to a stand still.

That said, there's a lot less of it in the subsequent arcs, so I guess Remender learned his lesson and toned it down.

>>86897137

I'm very behind on Duggan's run, but I remember early issues mentioning him in regards to Rogue still?

>>86897267
>all according to Kangkaku

>>86894971
>drowns a guy with gills
I.. what?

>>86897293

i'm so excited for Kang War 1

>>86897347
Tbqh, so am I.
I think it's the only NOW!! (See how clever that was just like K-On!!?) book on my pull list.

>>86897137

so is he just floating around as ionic energy?

>>86897420
>panel 2
X-FORCE SUMMARILY BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

I really like Acuna's art.
I feel like it would've done wonders for the Otherworld arc.

it's very strange for me to think of Wolverine as having ancestors.

>>86897521
>>86897546

I was gonna ask if this was the weapon current Unworthy Thor had been using but guess not.

i really want the story of how Mordo got buried so nice with it in his head

>>86897579
>I was gonna ask if this was the weapon current Unworthy Thor had been using but guess not.
It is, actually.
Keep reading.

>>86897569

AVENGERS VS AANG THE LAST AVATAR

>>86897596

oh cool. i had thought maybe but was worried about spoilers.

>>86895398
Who's that one fucker that manipulates emotions? Turned sue storm into malice? Had that little stupid controller. Can't think of his fucking name

But he would've been a good partner for skully in this arc

i do think it's BS to canonize the whole "Mutants are celestial experiments" thing

>>86895675
These narration boxes have a feel of older comics
I just recently reread infinity gauntlet and this has the same feel as that narration, in a way

>>86897760

It's kinda funny these are all new(ish) characters because someone really needs to bring up Grim Reaper is dying all the time

>>86897677
AHAHAH, Genocide rekt yet again.

Have you Storytiemed his AoA What-if?

>>86897747
Get out, Inhumie sympathizer

>>86896864
I don't see what's so bad about this, IMO, and I'm bisexual AND latino

>>86895611
Both Storm and Beast had dibs on them at the time. In fact a lot of characters Remender wanted to use had dibs on them.

You'd think for a book that was sold as their flagship title (at first) they'd give him the characters he needs.

>>86896467
Why is shiro always around during these apocalypse situations

>>86898057
Someone has to die the honourable Samurai death.

>>86897960
Is Tom Brevoort the worst thing to ever happen to Marvel?

>>86898113
I don't think Marvel's problems can be laid at the feet of any one employee.
Brevoort certainly sucks though.

>>86895740
The other thing is that Havok's speech serves pretty well as a meta-commentary on the nature of what "mutants" are according to Marvel.

Marvel declared mutants a separate species in the past so they could save money selling action figures. Marvel took characters that were meant to serve as analogies for racial relations and tolerance and literally said they weren't human.

To cover for this, the Xmen's mo was changed from "humans born with strange abilities" to "entirely different species supplanting humanity". This ruined the analogy which the Xmen were initially created for.

In a book about Avengers and Xmen getting along, Havok giving a speech saying there is no difference between mutant and human, and that he doesn't want to be called a mutant, with all this in mind, I feel was intended as a big middle-finger to how the Xmen had been changed over time.

But then everyone freaked out, Remender included, and made a much bigger deal out of it the was necessary.

>>86896930
Dodging a "small nuke" 's energy explosion from a few feet away. Well, might as well be the force of a billion exploding suns, it's only many zeroes.

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Janet is a racist.

>>86897245
Rule number one of time travel stories: Never alter the past. The future is fine. Unless it impacts many copyrights.

>>86897318
Remender is great at making cool horsemen for Apocalypse.

>>86897700
>RIP best horsemen

>>86897677
"The assassination of a celestial" -- but for better, earlier writers where "a" celestial was simultaneously in thousands of places at once. I guess there are deep writers and writers where giants throw giant energy balls at each other.

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And now, before I leave you for this evening, let's take a detour into a parallel universe of a terrible event comic.

Don't worry, this basically has nothing to do with Age of Ultron and is just part of the Apocalypse Twins saga.

>>86898478
Janet, quit being such a bitch.