Ultimate Spider-Man Pt. 20

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Originally I was upset the artist switched but now that I'm older, I adore Samnee's run on the hero. His work on the first Superman Adventures webcomic was astounding.

>>94492461
OP, What kind of comic were you making?

That webshooter thing will bother me until the ends of earth. How did no one see the contradiction?

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>>94492651
It's my thoughts on superheros as a whole (big surprise). I realize pushing superheroes isn't really in huge demand so I'm working on a short 4 issue sci-fi story to get my foot in the door if capes don't work. The superhero epic is going to be a massive undertaking and I'm still working on my series bible and it sucks...........

I've pumped out 5 good scripts and 8 so so scripts for the hero epic, but then I realized I have to get the plot 100% settled before continuing to progress because it's going to be pretty continuity heavy. Actually writing characters and events with a degree of consistency/growth is so much harder than I thought it was going to be. Also writing characters with distinct voices is a pain because all my friends that have read my issues say, "I can tell you wrote it.".

Spider-Men takes place after issue #12. Ignore the continuity mistake

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>>94492829
Can do. Thanks for the guidance.

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Well that didn't go as planned.

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This is actually pretty creative

>>94492651
The series is going to last around

>>94492461
Good evening, based anon...thank you for your storytimes...

Also, Spider-Bump

>>94493215
I kind of miss the days where it was just ganke and miles adventure.

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>>94492651
Shit. Got cut off. Damn you autopost.

The series is gonna be broken up into 8 issue "seasons" with each season broken into 2 halves, and each half composed of 2 issue arcs. Every season is going to be my thesis on a classic superhero tropes (for example, the alternate universe setting). Here's where I'm probably gonna lose people, I've taken a heavy influence from Mark Millar when it comes to pushing superpowers to the absolute limit. Powers in my comic aren't overly extravagant like Marvel comics, instead powers are going to be fast/mean and only be flashy when necessary. Lastly, this story is about people that just happen to have powers. At the heart of this entire series is flawed human characters trying their best to make the world a better place when it isn't even established they can take care of themselves. Happy endings and redemption arcs to be treasured and by no means the norm.

>>94493316
Me 2.

>>94493365
It sounds like pluto mix with watchmen. I hope you make greatest story.

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>>94493612
If I ever get the scripts finished and can be paired with a penciler, inker, letterer, and cover artist I'm going to post that shit online the second I get the crb/cbz file. My attitude is read it first and if you like it, buy a copy and if you hated it, cool beans. Pirate ahoy. I'm largely making this for two reasons.
1. To present my thoughts on superheroes and how they've chanced since their initial inception. I'm not trying to be dark for the sake of dark, I just want to do "my thing" with them.
2. I want to give back to the community and comic universe at large because I've downloaded a treasure trove of comics and I want to present something out there that at least someone will enjoy.

>>94493010
I think I prefer his costume in those panels where it doesn't have the webbing.

>>94493454
>This is exactly what I'd like to talk to Peter Parker about
Man, Jessica should have offered to help train him.

>>94493848
Miles without webbing is better. When i was young, i thought he going to get a weaker version of organic webbing.

>>94493589
>Picture shows Miles with webs
>He doesn't have webs yet

>>94494083
No, I'm talking about the web pattern on the suit, which isn't there in some shots because they can't fit that much detail in smaller frames.

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>>94494083
STOP PRESENTING GOOD IDEAS!!!! GET OUTTA HERE!!!
>Seriously, Miles could have had a nerfed set of Peter's powers with his own unique ones to compensate (stealth and venom blast).

>>94494048
>Literally tips fedora and says "M'lady"

>>94494349
>Get your hands on your head
Goddamn, everyone in this universe is an idiot.

>>94494363
So is there a reason Prowler looks so much like Deadpool?

>>94493365
For my Philosophy minor thesis paper I wrote 486 pages single-spaced...it was a "bible" for a comic universe...it took three years which totally delayed me getting my diploma even though I walked the stage when I was supposed to...the "paper" was so drug-influenced but still managed to hash out Kafka/existentialism/postmodernism that was my thesis topic...cyberpunk antiheroes and NWO and stream-of-consciousness fueled mostly by heroin, bourbon, LSD and sometimes cocaine...not a fan of uppers. The jaw-drop of my prof when I showed up out of the blue with that monstrosity was priceless. He had the nerve to ask for a Cliff Notes version. I wrote a second volume and started a third only I lost it to a computer crash.

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>>94494436
It's baffling how the MCU police are shoot first, ask questions never. This is a trope that has played itself into the ground and honestly quite embarassing. For once I just want a competent police force.

>>94494600
That sounds fucking god tier. How many different sections did you have in your bible? Right now I'm rockin a universe mantra page, a power description page, detailed character descriptions which incorporate personality/appearance and everything in-between, a set of stories that advance plot, and a set of stories that are just filler. Also, mine was also severely influenced by multiple substances with everything but uppers (weed, alcohol, and LSD predominately) and mild use of opiates (I just get sleepy). I'm actually clean right now and it's fascinating to see what shit I cranked out when I myself was cranked out.

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I don't know how I feel about Ultimate Scorpion. I really wanted the prior Scorpion from Ultimate Clone Arc to make an appearance but i will credit Bendis with creating an entirely new character.

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>Vulture's Wings
FUCK YEAH!!!

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What is this guy made of?

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God damn

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Scorpion legitimately feels terrifying. Nicely done.

>>94493622
WHAT. THE. HELL.

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>>94495052
Ultimate Prowler is a straight up piece of shit. He tries to come across as cool but he's a petty selfish villain with poor long term planning and doesn't seem to think before he acts.

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I don't even have to read future issues to know he's full of shit.

>>94495110
Agree with you about Prowler. Everything with Davis and Scorpion was the only time I was really interested in this title.

>>94494742
It was nothing like the good work you're doing...I just created a universe and my "paper" and subsequent volumes dealt with a small corner...the idea was to create a framework so others could expand. I'd sprout an idea and write on it for a bit and just go on...it was so very stream-of-consciousness. The second volume was more coherent as I'd kicked the drugs but kept on drinking (it was very Bukowski set in space). The whole she-bang didn't give a history, it just threw you into it. The provost emailed me last year about it (she was the faculty head of the college rag and I was A&E editor) but I told her I loved her and she could keep it.

>>94495181
These covers have been god-tier.

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>>94495573
>It was nothing like the good work you're doing...
Don't count yourself out. I bet there's some straight up gold in there.even if you don't quite think so. Authors tend to be the hardest critics on their own work so if something is considered passable in your eyes, I bet it's way better than you think, strict organization be damned. Also stream of consciousness writing is weird. The finished product tends be me sporadic and unpolished initially but a storm of creative writing. I wrote my entire story in teh span of a week and it's taken a long while to refine that artistic exercise. I bet good money there's probably some character/setting description in your work that would rock our socks off.

>>94495888
Fuck yeah they are. Bendis' writing may leave a lot to be desired but Pichelli is killing it.

I finally caught up with the thread since I got home.
Thanks OP

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>I'm gonna drop your corpse right in your father's lap
Aaron is a straight up monster.

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This is one of the few moments that distinctly separates Miles from Peter. I can't even imagine how horrifying this must have been for him.

>>94495999
Are you gonna cover them meeting miles today OP?

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This series isn't going to 100% fit chronologically with Bendis' prior title but I blame him. Also at one point Marvel Execs said that if they ever had a crossover with Ultimate and 616 it would mean they were creatively bankrupt and the fact they did it without any jest just makes me feel confident in my own writing. I enjoy this story, but goddamn Marvel needs to get their shit together.

>>94496659
You may not quite see it in the way your want today but it will most definitely be the next thread.
>IT still won't be as solid as you want.

>>94495937
Thanks, but no...that's why I spin records behind a sheet...the whole "paper" and everything after is way too autobiographical (except for the outerspace parts and the superpowers...I had to disguise the truth, yeah). My college life was WAY WAY WAY beyond...the provost remarked about how much I got away with and still got my (worthless) degree. I would disappear from campus for weeks and get away with it. Nomad college kid spinning records and living in the underground while "attending" a Christian college...it was a crazy time. Gods only knows what would have happened if then was 2012...

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I know it may seem a bit early to tell, but it feels like Bendis' Spider-Man is way more chatty than Slott's and honestly I feel a better representation of the character. Love to hear your guys opinions.

>>94495052
>>94495110
Clearly, I mean he took out the Tinkerer...who may admittedly be discount stark, but a lot of guys rely on him for toys, powers, and maintenance. And Prowler just killed him.

That has got to be the biggest revenge price out there I've heard of for a small time supercriminal to do.

>>94496706
Peter looks like Tom Hollander here

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KK. I feel ya man. Just sayin if you ever want someone to look over and provide some helpful critcism I can do that. I've been told I'm my University's best writer they've ever seen but I don't know how much of that is genuine praise/bullshit. I love seeing/reading what other /co/mrades come up with because it allows me to see what others think of the base source material. But if it's too autobiographical to judge, I totally get that. My first draft was WAAAAAAYYYY to personal and it required multiple drafts worth of revisions to get it to something I could show others.

>>94496867
I've always preferred Spidey to be more chatty.

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>I missed out when you died the first time!
What?

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I love that his speech bubbles immediately changed from solely uppercase to a combo of upper and lower.
>From a style perspective, would you guys prefer all uppercase or a combo of both when reading? I feel like it gives the dialg a unique feel but it's hard to describe exactly how it makes it different.

>>94497165
I like the uppercase, it's iconic plus really gives that umph while reading.

When it was used in conjunction with 616 vs. Ult. that was a great detail.

In a non-cape comic, I'd understand not using all uppercase; you'd only use it to emphasize

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This is a Bendis interaction if I ever read one. Meaning it sucks.
>Not trying to be negative, but all of Bendis' interactions betwee characters feel needleslly drawn out.

>>94496141
https://youtu.be/fFnOfpIJL0M

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>>94497228
So for cape comic, you would recommend all uppercase to keep the feel of comics? IF that's the case I need to reevaluate all my dialog to be uppercase (which is something Ellis does to get a feel for the page).

>Ganke
>Prowler
>Tinkerer
>gangster Scorpion
>hot "mom"
>looks up to superheroes
>huge as fuck Vulture wings
Jesus, Homecoming really was a Miles movie but with Peter replacing Miles, wasn't it? This is my first time reading this and I keep getting surprised by how much from the movie at least drew inspiration from here if not lifting it whole-cloth.

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>>94497380
Yep to everything you said. It's one of the reasons I despised the Homecoming movie and everyone shits on me for my opinion. I think they are either Sony shills or they simply don't read enough comics. I'm not saying Homecoming was a poorly constructed movie, but it didn't feel like a Peter movie until the very end with his confrontation with Vulture (which was god tier and the best MCU villain hads down, dude felt like a legitimate thread and could have eaten Falcon)
>I've been drinking so sorry for the spelling errors

>>94497380
Tinkerer was never on the movie if I'm not wrong

>>94497380
It was a weird mixture between Miles, Ulitmate peter parker, and a few original spider-man.

I wonder if gawke is ned little brother...

>>94497461
He was the guy who built some of Vulture's stuff.

>>94497461
Tinkerer was the guy who was making all the tech for Vulture. They even used this version (younger, schlubby guy) rather than the 616 version (short, decrepit old man).

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And so it's revealed. Ultimate Mysterio was 616 Mysterio the entire time. I would never have guessed that. Mysterio upped his game

>>94497482
They made Gankhe Ned in the most recent Spider-Man comic Fucking disgrace to Ned Leeds and his relationship with Betty. Slott shits on Spider-Man continuity and the general public eats it up.

>>94497511
Now, I imagine a fatass hob goblin. More like slob goblin.

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Again, I never in a million years would have guessed Ultimate Mysterio to be 616 Mysterio. Ultimate seems like so much more of a competent villain. When did he develop tech to visit alternate worlds? 616 Mysterio has brought his absolute A-Game and deserves to be in Spidey's top five for all he's accomplished.

>>94497493
I miss the decrepit man. I remember HObgoblin (Phil) getting his repairs from him.

>>94496867
Peter should always be talking shit, it's what he's best at.

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This dialog is so fucking awful. God damn.

>>94497594
HA! But seriously, Homecoming is a shit Spider-Man movie but a decent MCU movie.

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Venom blast and speedy unmasking? Bendis eat a dick. This is cliched even for you.

>>94496926
I'm guessing this was tossed at me without the (You) so I could follow along...anyhows, the shit I wrote was just to 1) write my thesis 2) prove I could create something 3) put my in-head universe into words 4) drugs.
I even bought Publisher so I could build panels for the first volume...that went nowhere fast, I made thirty-some odd pages and quit.

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GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>94497720
You will think that peter parker got anti-electricity suit after dealing with electro.

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This isn't cute. This isn't funny. This is an entire page wasted for a bad joke. I don't care what the purpose was, that block of text discourages reading and I bet a large number of those that bought the comic skipped over this page entirerly.

>>94497720
That's fucking stupid

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I now know this is 616 Mysterio, but he never felt like as big of a threat as meow

>>94497817
>Miles asking a question, then answering it
Were his and Fury's speech bubbles mixed up in the second panel?

>>94497836
>Not Spider-Boy
He's two years younger than you were when you started out, Peter.

>>94497916
Yes.

>>94497968
2 years can make a big difference at that age. Just look at how much older Miles looks now (16) than when he did here. I'd post a picture from Spider-men II for comparisons sake were it not for the storytime, but suffice it to say, he looks significantly older from just a few years. Puberty is a helluva drug.

>>94497380
you for got "the school for gifted youngsters" too

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>>94497813
Preach brotha

>>94497511
>Mysterio of two worlds

I was wondering if that's what was happening when I saw the suits.

It's kind of a cool idea, not sure if it was a good one or not, but kinda cool.

>>94496867
Spider-man is one of the few characters Bendis just nails. He was also enjoyable in his New Avengers run as well.

>>94497803
One of Bendis big writing problems is he will have character criticize or make a joke about the plot but he still has his characters do the same dumb shit they say is shit.

>>94497720
You know what, Venom shot was a stupid idea, but I could give it a pass because I figured it actually was a strong paralitic venom like spiders have.

VENOM DOES NOT EQUAL ELECTRICITY! THERE ARE NO ELECTRIC SPIDERS! WHAT THE FUCK BENDIS!!!!

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>>94498021
>>94498021
Preach a second time.

>>94498101
I'm personally more than okay with Mysterio being this multiversal threat. I'd say Mysterio bumped himself up multiple notches on the Spidey Rogue hierarchy because of his meddling in the ultimate universe. He seems like he upped his game in every way imaginiable as well as becoming much more lethal because the Spider-Man he's dealing with isn't "his" Spider-Man because he simply doesn't know his capabilties. I don't love verything Bendis has done, but this caught me off guard in the greatest way possible.

>>94498199
No rebuttal. Everything your saying is a genuine concern.

>>94498199
I gotta agree with you, from what my friends had told me I assumed it was like a stinger or something not magic bullshit.

>>94498261
The fact that new mysterio is from 616 was the coolest part of this whole thing.

>>94497866
It's probably because he's using a "dummy."

Meaning to or not, people always hold back when their personal safety is on the line. Sure, they might be able to hit twenty guys with a grenade and save themselves, but there's a good chance they'll till get hit by that grenade too. Sure you could deck this guy if you throw an all out punch, but if you miss then your ass is grass. People always hesitate because of self preservation.

But put someone in a situation like a video game where they're at absolutely no risk, and all the hesitation goes away. Mysterio faces absolutely no threat of harm for his actions in Ulitmates, which means he can pull of stunts and plans and attacks that could normally end in injury or death without fear. And that makes him that much more dangerous, and thus competent.

>>94498348
Of course, it also means the heroes can go all-out against him, without worrying about killing him.

The weird thing is, he showed up in person back in this issue for some reason:
>>94338136

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>>94498332
Hellz yeah

>>94498348
I love your rationale. And the neat part is that even in spite of this, Mysterio hasn't encountered any threat that would outright wreck him since his first encounter with Peter ont eh bridge where Peter through a solid punch at his head which at the tme was a hologram.

Sorry for the delay. My bad

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Was it established that Mysterio came up with this all on his own? Doesn't even matter if it was an accident, if Mysterio could pull thsi off when under pressure that makes him so much more threatening than in the previous 616 Universe.

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Peter, this is a bad idea on so many levels. There is literally no reason for you to do this.

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Of course someone slaps him. Big surprise. Seriously Bendis should take a class on comic writing (I recommend Jeff Parker). He seriously needs it because hsi plot setup is atrocious. Anyone that takes his advice for anything is objectively wrong. I thought I would benefit from his book on writing comics. Spoilers, it's shit and that is speaking from someone whom read it.

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Quit pussyfooting around the subject. Just say Gwen is dead. It's not a big deal considering this is a different universe and this Gwen has died already. This is shit writing, Bendis. I hope you're reading cause you're shit.

>>94498897
>Two Helicarriers and eleven jets
Whoever pointed out before that SHIELD could save a shitload of money by cutting down on the fly-bys was right on the money.

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May, he's not yours. Having him alive in an alternate universe is as beneficial as knowing in an alternate universe Hitler cured cancer. Neat, but ultimately inconsequential.
>Sorry for being negative, I just feel any emotion tied to alternate universes is bad writing unless expertly done (like Justice League).

>>94498867
wait.....Bendis wrote enough for a book...how many repeat sentences does it have? Also serious what year was it published? Like when he was just in his indies days before Marvel.

>>94499074
I don't even want to think about it. Bendis-speak has a 50% chance of success or fail in a comic. I do not want to know what that looks like in print form.

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Fuck off, Fury. Drinking Tony is essential for the Ultimate Universe because he is terrified og going in the Iron Man suit as "no sane person would climb into this thing sober"

>>94499078
>What's he like?
>Competent.
>Sheeiiitttt.

>>94499027
>Just us
>And MJ and Norman Osborn
>And Kitty Pryde
>And the rest of the X-Men
>And the Ultimates
>And all of SHIELD
>And the Sinister 6
>And the Fantastic 4
>And Kong
>And Liz
>And JJ
>
>
>...also, Kingpin and Shocker saw his face

>>94499123
They really couldn't figure this out on their own? God, SHIELD is incompetent.

>>94499214
I really got to Storytime secret war sometimes, that book destroyed SHIELD in a way that it never recovered from.

>>94496528
To accidentally kill your uncle would really mess up anyone really being Spider-man is a curse.

>>94496867
Isn't being chatty his thing? That's what makes he stand out compared to most of these guys in capes and spandex

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>>94499074
Book is here.
https://www.amazon.com/Words-Pictures-Business-Writing-Graphic/dp/0770434355/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1502168959&sr=8-1&keywords=writing+for+comics+bendis

Gave a it a look through a year ago and I gotta say, it was stupid. Half the shit in the book was either common sense or specifically aimed at marketing/presenting the book when it was finished, but all that is moot if you don't actually have a finished draft (which is the most important part of writing. Actually cranking out a script). I 100% feel like I could have written a better writing for comics book than the shit Bendis pumped out. I've read Bendis' scripts he gives to his artists so I'm not just talking out my ass. His script was for the series "Powers" and I can confidently say they are less detailed//thought out than the scripts I use for my comic. He uses the full script format in the vaguest sense possible and is in dire need of an editor because he is incapable of tearing his own work a new one.
>I've been drinking so there's a chance all of this is drivel

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>>94499356
Exactly, which is why I feel Bendis has a better handle on the character than Slott. Slott feeels like he's intentionally trying to make Peter snarky/chatty and because of the nature of Bendis' writing, I feel pulls it off more naturally.

>>94497115
He means Ultimate Pete

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I hate this page. I really do.

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>>94499431
My man. <3

>>94497511
Has it ever been explained how he discovered the Ultimate universe?

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Alrighty, credit where credit is due. This page is absolutely Amazing. Spectacular even. One might even say Astonishing. Truly Sensational! if I'm being honest.

>>94499523
I like to believe Mysterio was fucking around and discovered it by accident. Afterward, he devised a way for him to run the Ultimate universe with minimal risk to himself. The fact that he straight up murdered Ultimate Kingpin made me as giddy as a school girl. He never would have pulled that in 616 but since he was merely controlling an avatar, he went for it and reaped the rewards.

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Is it bad if I really really want Beck to hit him with the pipe?

>>94499670
Tony's suit doesn't have any air filters to protect him from gas?

>>94499670
>WhatIsYourWorstFear.jpg

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I love that Mysterio is talking in all caps. I think I'm still gonna keep my lettering to be a combo of upper and lowercase for two reasons.
1. I really like the feel of upper and lowercase and other comics than Ultimate do it (Runaways, Moon Knight by Ellis, and I believe Nextwave and Supercrooks also implement it.
2. I'm not going to go back and change all the dialog I've already written. I think it feels solid as is.

>>94499734
Zombies. Something about them unnerves . Playing the game Zombies ate my neighbors freaked me out as a kid. Also seeing a zombified version of my dad. I'd lose my goddamn mind if I saw that.

>>94499903
I'm not sure how I feel about them keeping Mysterio in their dimension. Seems vaguely immoral. I guess which universe's prison he gets sent to wouldn't really make much of a difference to him, though.

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Stupid. It's obvious Bendis didn't actually have a plan for this diaog. Maybe I'm being too hard.

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Fury, shut up. No one is listening to you. You're the reason Peter died. You could have had a Goblin protocol in place so when Norman escapes you could have warned the Parkers. Even Carol should have had a protocl like that because you know Norman is just going to escape because you retards are determined to keep him around. Also Miles doesn't need to worry about "earning" the title. Stop trying to make it all about you. If Miles makes mistakes he makes mistakes. That's kinda what Spider-Man is all about. Making colossal fuckups and learning from them so he can be a better Spider-Man. You tried to depower Peter because you didn't approve of him being a vigilante (also because he punched off your eye-patch because you suck), so stop pretending you care about Miles and Peter's "legacy" because you certainly don't regardless of the shit that comes outta your mouth. Also tell Jess to fuck off. Miles is literally older than her and education via in-utero doesn't make up for real life experience (regardess of what she says). She is a mockery of everything Peter Parker is and was literally made by one of his enemies and making her one of your cronies doesn't make it right. In summary, step on a landmine Fury. You'll get a swift death and we'll get a show.
>I blame gin for this response.

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I'm glad we finally got an answer to this....even thought it's stupid.
>I blame gin for this as well.

I hope everyone here has a wonderful night. You guys are the greatest and at least 100 times better than Ultimate Fury. If anything, you guys should be director's of SHIELD because you'd all do a much better job than whoever is in charge at this current time.

>>94500022
Thanks again Spider OP
Have a good night

>>94499114
I shouldn't have laughed at that

>>94500022
>checked

we are in deed at least 100x better than Ultimate Fury.

thanks for the storytime spider anon. I know miles is painful, but we appreciate the work.

>>94500022
>I'm glad we finally got an answer to this
What was it?

>>94500175
Miles is a villain t the 616 Universe. Like a street crimina with a police record (considering that Pete could look him up).

>>94500231
When it is next Spider-men 2 chapter?