/omg/ - Occultism & Magick General

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Archives of recent /omg/ here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n98ccw8vzt0o5ss/AACFJArgdukvMnxJyz3wmvkLa?dl=0

>>19461442
That's the fucking rar icon. Kys

>>19461453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFYHw-3tOZs

>>19461549
I ain't buying.

>A.'.A.'.>Philosophy
Lux in Tenebras: The Visual and Symbolic in Western Esotericism

>Euro
Witchcraft and Magic in the Nordic Middle Ages (What it says on the label, an exploration coming through a Pennsylvania uni, it appears to cover the pre to early Christian era for that region).
Votive Body Parts in Greek and Roman Religion

>Gnostic Studies
Tales from Another Byzantium: Celestial Journey and Local Community in the Medieval Greek Apocrypha (djvu file)
Armenian Apocrypha relating to Angels and Biblical Heroes
The Reliquary Effect (Christian and Buddhist relic veneration practices)

>Grimoires
Solomon the Esoteric King: From King to Magus the Development of a Tradition

>Mystical Islam
ʿAjā'ib al-makhlūqāt wa gharā'ib al-mawjūdāt

>dude I'm gonna like, work my will amd shit lmao
>still on 4chan after more than a decade

What went wrong?

Wizard anons, I just want one query, one wish, even if it means selling my soul or anything like that, its nothing material, not money, not wealth or health, none of that, os there perhaps anything I can do on the eclypse perhaps? I really need someones help.

Please no bully

>>19461772
Yup, that was last update.
I've not posted a new one given the amount of new scans has come to a screeching halt.

>>19461433
>>19461451
Still here, huh?

>>19461845
It is my will to preserve and educate. Hence my career track.

>>19461852
Say what you mean and mean what you say.
If you just want a random ritual there's >>19461549

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Good morning /omg/

>>19461852
funny days like eclipses and full moons are better to do rituals. last christmas had a full moon and that's like once in a century or something
also the page for the witching hour is in the wiki. If you need extra juice for a ritual just wait till 3am. kinda ballsy but totally works

>>19461945
I do rituals on full moons and new moons as well. Coincidentally that's also traditional seed planting times.

>>19461949
And tree felling. Never cut down a tree near the full moon, you will never get the wood to dry.

>>19461898
>It is my will to preserve
Except when it comes to historical monuments. Those doorways to the past have to come down, cuz muh feelz.

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Been drawn to stones and crystals lately. Maybe just sentimental values and not some New Age claim? Any worth other than dollars in ounces?

>>19461977
Tell that to the two-year-seasoned cord of wood in my back yard.

>>19462052

Transmitters. They pick-up and re-broadcast whatever frequencies they're configured for so that one can modify signal of what you wish to fux wit.

>>19462117
Stahp

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>>19462149

>>19462153
These two people literally look nothing alike. Are you retarded anon?

>>19462158
Only pretending. I actually don't buy it since there is zero evidence backing the theory, but if you think Barbara bush looks nothing like Aleister Crowley, idk what to tell ya.

>>19462160
I think Barbara's ugly anglo face is all the proof I need.

>>19462114
Not doubting you because that's what I'm hoping. But do you have a reliable book/site to reference? Maybe personal experience?

>>19461898
>>19461945
I'm >>19461852 it's something stupid but I just want this woman to lovw me, I'm basically just obsessed about her, when I sleep she's in my dreams and when I sleep I see her face, I've known her for years and I just want to be special to her in some way, as in I want her to love me.
No bully, but any ideas on what I could do on the eclipse? Thank you

>>19462216
Why do you think you need magick for that?
Have you exhausted other avenues or are you looking for a shortcut?

>>19461898
YHWH/YHVH is the one true God you fool. How could you condone such demonic rituals?

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does anyone have the texts linked in these posts?
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19284759/#19289793
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19284759/#19290025

Ape or Shaula maybe?
pretty please

>>19462244
>YHWH/YHVH is the one true God you fool. How could you condone such demonic rituals?

Stahp.

>>19462296
Stop being a heretic.

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>>19462345
Never

>>19462242
I've tried all I could man, it's hard to explain, she still teases me and doesn't hate me or anything. It's like I feel there could be something but I can't make it happen, I dream about her almost every night and I can't get her out of my head, I'm constantly thinking abour her, it's been like this for almost 2 years man, I can't make it stop.

So yeah TL;DR its more like a last resort thing, I cant get anything to happen and I cant get her out of my head

i know it all sounds dumb, no bully

>>19462359
Only asking of your intentions because the more you respond, the more you resound that you want to possess and not love this person.

>>19462376
Women are things.

What does /omg/ think of Peterson's Bible series?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w

It's an in-depth analysis of the Bible with an anthropological and evolutionary psychology perspective. I love the sumerian references and Marduk's story. The whole thing about the snake is also golden.

>>19462376
I guess it does, english is not my main language and I can't express my ideas correctly, but now that I look at what I wrote I guess it really does. This girl helped me through depression and was my friend when I needed one, I just want to love and just kind of be there for her forever. That's it, I just can't stop thinkinf about her and it's killing me.

Any suggestions for books about magic squares or occult mathematics?

>>19462412
>with an anthropological and evolutionary psychology perspective.

kek

>>19462446

Agrippa is a nice start for squares. There was a Dover ed. of something callled, Magic Squares and Cubes -- useful, though not necessarily occult.

>>19462429
Wait, by "possessing someone" are you talking about Anon mind controlling this girl and keeping her as a waifu pillow made out of meat, or are you talking about full on Full Metal Alchemist / Skeleton Key level possession, because I'm not entirely sure which prospect is more creepy

>>19462449
>It's Men On Film!
>A Show that looks at movies from the male point of view!

How do I make myself man pretty

>>19462501
Turning Iron into Muscle is the core of Brochemy.

So /omg/ when did you first realize that the wave of legislation against psychedelics, and to schedule them in such a way as to make them unlawful to research, was emphatically *not* for our own good? I have been thinking about this lately. A lot.

>>19462508
Talking about my face bro not my gainz

>>19462521
American Prohibition had weed vs. beer on the table and look how it turned out there.
I'm thinking time will reveal how they are not anti-social but pro-social catalysts. MDMA is an example.

>>19462457
Cool, much appreciated.

>>19462286
I saved it but I won't be able to give it to you til after Labor Day. If no one else can help, ask me again in early sept

>>19462477
I deleted that because it really shouldn't matter. To answer your question, I'm going to go with the second although that might not be best comparison. There's at least three rituals that could do it assuming the person knew what they were doing. Two of those would have the explicit purpose of what he is seeking, one could technically be used for such a purpose albeit maybe not its main intention. That's just one sect of practice too. I'm sure other methods exists.

Point is, it isn't anything they should dabble in, especially if they can't find the information themselves to begin with given that it's likely not even going to work in that case... because they won't know what they are doing.

>>19462576
I'm the anon and I guess it's true, I don't know much about magic and I might not be able to make anything happen...
But whatever, thanks for your help anon

>>19462596
I'm just being honest.

>>19462412
He's right from a psychological and interpretive angle but his occult level is pretty low outside of sucking jungian dick. Worth watching. He can't even distinguish new age garbage from the practices he beats off to from what I've seen, but don't hold me to the, there's a video I still need to watch. Excellent presenter who doesn't put much bias into thing, but his major biases because he's an exoteric Christian and clinical psychologist working from those perspectives are huge so keep that in mind.

>>19462638
Also dat 150 IQ and canadian narcissism. Videos before he went into the belly of the beast aren't as good, he changed hard and mellowed in a good way after the end of 2016. Good dude with deep insights and a strong practical foundation in Jung and Rogers, you just have to recognize where his area of expertise ends and he turns into the equivalent of anyone and everyone talking about politics, though much of his political bullshit is spot on and coming from the right places in a general sense.

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>>19462521
>So /omg/ when did you first realize that the wave of legislation against psychedelics, and to schedule them in such a way as to make them unlawful to research, was emphatically *not* for our own good? I have been thinking about this lately. A lot.

>>19462671
>paying prostitutes to take it
I have no objection to this one.

>>19462576
Different anon, but I'm curious as to these three rituals. More for an academic standpoint then anything as I'm not crazy enough to actually try that shit.

Does anyone have an online source for pharmaceutical grade Diethyl Ether? the more I read of Crowley, Achad, and Achitha's experiments, the more I want to drink the stuff and compare those effects to those of inhalation.

>>19462914
You run brake cleaner through a bag of water to separate the petroleum distillates.

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Decisions, decisions.

The first three correspond to the query and the fourth is pictured with common books for comparison. Allegedly actual size. I don't shuffle for inversion so I don't know what to make of the first card. Div can't read their way out of a paper bag so I genuinely want interpretations from you lovely ladies and gents because you're all worth at least your weight in shit.

>>19463196
You should have made it more ambiguous whether you were talking about the dildoes or the tarot cards. What is /omg/ without a bit of mystery?

Anyway just buy a german shepherd.

>>19463515
Shiva there is getting relegated to lingham status because he's just a bit way too fucking huge. Small, my ass. Already have some dog dick, same problem except there's 4 inches of nothing before the party starts. It's hard to get ecstatic for ritual purposes when nothing does the job properly.

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>>19463196
I never thought I'd find a place where this is relevant but pic related

>>19463691
This needs to be in the trove.

>>19463196
I think the question of the right size dildo is something only you can answer

>>19463720
I've been through two already so apparently not. The ridges and bumps on Shiva destroyer of buttholes there are noice but it's thicker than the Black Brick and doesn't fit at all. The one after that which I'm going to call the Moon because reasons was a whole lot of uncertainty followed by an uncomfortable truth that you couldn't always take. So, Tower, Lovers, or reverse potato?

>>19462842
The most well-known text containing guidelines for such a thing would be The Key of Solomon. There's the First Pentacle of the Sun which suggests anything the possessor desires. It's not explicit toward love, but that's a possibility. There's the Fourth Pentacle of Venus which suggests the possibility of forcing whoever one may so desire's affection. The Fifth Pentacle of Venus is similar, but it requires more proactive measures, as explained in the text, by the possessor then the Fourth Pentacle of Venus. The last one from that text is the Second Pentacle of Mercury which suggests the ability to grant wishes that otherwise contradict nature. Like the First Pentacle of the Sun, the latter is not explicitly intended for love, but love from another could certainly require action contradictory to the current nature of the person in question.

As far as most commonplace rituals derived from Wicca that exist in writing, there's not really anything since a cardinal rule is to not mess with free will. It's why you should never imagine a particular person's name when casting spells to find love since that can backfire, and you'll likely be harmed. Otherwise, you'd just imagine a specific person when conducting rituals, but it could backfire.

Past that, the likely place to find it is not anything I've read much on due to the inconsistency and difficulty finding information. You can find such rituals and spells in any form of magic in which the lines between 'black and white' are blurred such as most folk magic. Santeria, voodoo, and hoodoo all have spells, rituals, and talismans crafted toward forcing the love of a specific human as opposed to an unspecified, generalized wish for love.

So, long story short, Key of Solomon and folk magic, including Santeria, Voodoo, and Hoodoo, will be where you want to start researching that sort of stuff.

>>19463772
I think reverse potato stands out since it is reversed. Go with that one. You can only read so much into a reading to choose your phallus of choice. It seems pretty obvious.

Hello, I'm getting kinda obsessed with the Alexandria library and I thought that you guys might have some answers

Do you think it was that awesome? And do you have some books? If so, can you share?

>>19463887
But that Tower though. It could be transformative. You really can't tell what's going to align your chakras until you get it. But then that was the card I dropped while shuffling so reverse potato it is cause I just won an auction and the potato is cheaper.

What is the demiurge? And if YHWH is that, then who is god? Who should we trust?

>>19463858
Oh that's not nearly as bad as I was expecting. I thought you were implying full on "If I can't make her my waifu, I'll just rip out my soul, shove it in her and become my own waifu" bodytheft type possession shit.

Still though, thanks for the info, always good to build up the library of stuff even if you don't plan on using it.

>>19463980
Oh gosh, no. They remain their own person.

>>19463949
Ah, it really depends on what viewpoint you come from. In many modern forms of Christianity, such as most your Baptists, Yahweh is God! It's a name that holds just as much value as Adonai, Lord of Lords, or Alpha & Omega. The majority of Christians do not place particular sacred value on the term Yahweh outside an acceptable name.

Your Jewish people are usually different. Yahweh is considered an extremely sacred name that cannot be spoken, and therefore most are going to refer to God as Elohim, not Yahweh. In Christianity, you'll find bracelets saying Yahweh, but you'd never find that in Judaism. (That's an extreme example, but an example none the less.)

As far as the demiurge, that would be better answered by someone who is Gnostic since the concept of the demiurge doesn't quite exist in Christianity or Judaism. There's your angels, Watchers, and even the Djinn in Islamic belief, but it's not usually referenced as demiurge.

Demiurge can be a lot of different things depending on what belief system you are coming from. Yes, sometimes it can seemingly infer the God of Christianity and Judaism, so to speak. As far as who you should trust? I don't know. Yourself? You likely shouldn't be asking who to trust from an image board.

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>>19463858
>sun pentacle
>on an eclipse


it's on a monday though, yall think itd amplify at all?

>>19462426
Nothing here will work
Similar situation, I've tried everything

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>>19462426
>>19464084
If you can't make her your GF, make your own GF.

What is something productive I can do during the eclipse if I have little privacy?

>>19464102
Go on a hike.

>>19464102
snort pills in the bathroom

>>19464084
Man, if only

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>>19464089
D-did he kidnap and mummify a human?

>>19461432
What would happen if I prayed to a deity while high? Someone told me I'd be more successful.

>>19464245
Probably the same thing while sober but more feels.

so /omg/, how are y'all preparing for the coming hellworld? is there even any point?

To the experts in /omg/ is there actually anything like what >>19463980 is talking about? I see examples of that sort of thing in fiction a lot but never in actual occult texts or traditions as far as I'm aware.

>>19464820
>>19464820
Red Rite Liber Null

>you fuck your wife/mom and give birth to your own soul/son

I've never heard or read about anyone that did it though.

>>19464828
That's a bit weird.

>>19464828
Doesn't that require you to commit suicide in the process? I think they more want a form of possession that leaves the current 'you', I dunno', alive...

>>19463949
I needed to add something else, but I wanted to double check to make sure I was correct. It's easier to explain stuff with stories. There's a good example of the demiurge in the Yazidi faith. The deity is Melek Taus or the Peacock Angel. Hopefully, this helps somewhat to understand the concept of the demiurge.
>www.yeziditruth.org/the_peacock_angel

>>19464201
> What is felt

Can somebody lay out a full pentagram/hexagram regimen? I'm lost on what exactly I should be banishing with the greater and in what order.

Hey guise, what are the good books on psychic powers and the likes?

I need The Book the Banishing Ritual Gnostic Grimoire of the Archons Samael and Lilith. Can someone point me into a direction? Library doesnt seem to have it

Hello, /omg/. First time poster here, but I'm also a lurker of these threads on occasion.
I have just one question: If you were in charge of breaking down a binding spell between two people, how would you do it?

>>19467130
Heavy gauge wire wrapped between two trees and a bolt cutter, just to be safe.

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I need some help from the alchemybros here.
I'm reading pic related, and it details making something called an Ens, and it lists two historic texts on the subject.
Franz Hartmann's biography of Paracelsus and Lesebure's Guide to Chemistry

Basically my google-fu is weak and I want someone more informed then I am to tell me if this is bullshit and if I'm going to get myself killed trying it.

Reading "advanced magick for beginners". Is it regarded good around here?

How is there no satanism in the MEGA?

Anyone have sources?

>>19467606
because satanism is babby tier bullshit for edgy teenagers and larpers-who-dont-yet-realize-theyre-larping

>>19467603

If Chapman is a Magus in AA, what's his lineage?

>>19467606

You could try the Bible. Not much meaning outside that contextl

>>19467606
There is plenty on the Temple of Set

>>19467623
Satyr are you doing anything for the eclipse?

>>19467615
I just want to learn about satanism. If Crowley and his garbage, Wicca and their shit can in the MEGA I don't see why Satanism can't be
>>19467623
Ehh

>True, whoever looks into the mirror of the water will see first of all his own face. Whoever goes to himself risks a confrontation with himself. The mirror does not flatter, it faithfully shows whatever looks into it; namely, the face we never show to the world because we cover it with the persona, the mask of the actor, But the mirror lies behind the mask and shows the true face.

>>19467718
i think crowley's retarded and even i would say that satanism is beneath him. you should learn to google

>>19467676

Yeah, but it's subtle.

>>19467718

Because that's the bias of the one maintaining it. Don't like it, start your own. I mean, if you really want to get all up in Santaism, then go to joyofsatan. They'll point you towards more materials than you're likely to get 'round here.

>>19468104
did you just unironically suggest that he should look into joy of satan? youre worse than he is

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>>19468104
>joyofsatan
Skinhead satanists sporting actual Nazi uniforms.

It's like something out of a bad 80's horror film.

>>19467650
There's also plenty of O9A and diverse LHP trash.

>>19466420
>Banishing Ritual Gnostic Grimoire of the Archons Samael and Lilith
>It was once in the Library of Alexandria and also in John Dee's private Library where both times it was saved from fire.
No. No it wasn't.

>>19465015
>Melek T**s
>"good"
>"bad"
>"creator"
D-, see me after class.

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>>19462052
>>19462114
I'm actually curious about this too. I've been using them as elemental attunement when doing card reads, but everyone also seems to disagree on what element each stone is attuned to.

How do pooniggers cleanse/vanish? Do they have Godnames for that?

>>19469137
Ganga. Daily.

>>19469154
Dude, fuck off. Potheads need to die. Do Indians have mantras for cleansing?

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>>19469231
>potheads need to die
>it is considered a traditional practice to ingest cannabis in any given form prior to Saivite puja

No, you fuck off.

>>19469231
y r u so mean

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>>19469231
Ganga is blessed by Lord Shiva. It comes from the moon and runs from the crown of his head. You're fucking retarded.

>>19469242
>missing the pun

>>19469231
Smoking weed everyday maintains the balance between spiritual and how awful things could be.

>>19468788
Wait, I never mentioned 'good' or 'bad'. The only thing I promised was a story. I certainly deserve somewhat better then a D-.

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>>19469247
>>missing the pun
"We are sorry for the inconvenience, but his is a DUBSvolution."
~Subcomandante Memecos.

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>>19469328
>Melek T**S
>"Deity"

>>19469344

Hey Ape, before you go full Ape, got a minute for some rocks?
>>19469024

>>19469344
My apologies. Please, do not get the horses.

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>>19469351
When in doubt, use 777/Complete Magician's Tables.

Agrippa if you're feeling extra pedantic.

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>>19469360
Gracias.

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>>19469356
>Please, do not get the horses.
Too late bby.
"We must secure the existence of Mongolian people and a future for nomad children."

>>19469373
Well, shit. I tried.

>>19469373
>"We must secure the existence of Mongolian people and a future for nomad children."

Nah Russia will take care of that :^)

>>19469242
>sh*ivite
There's your problem. Give me a mantra.

>>19469247
Yes, according to retarded subhumans who want to justify their bad habits. I've spent enough time and money to know that pot is a foul scourge on society and the poor individual.

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>>19469494
I'm taking about the other Ganga, the one that flows from the crown of Shiva and is the watershed for half the subcontinent.

I am a schizophrenic alcoholic pothead nicotine junkie e-tarded research chemical guinea pig shroomheaded acid burnout hippie degenerate.


How can I quit all drugs? I feel like it's getting in the way of my path...

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>>19470146
>I feel like it's getting in the way of my path...

Well, enochian has been taking a toll on me, I've done the keys, from the first to the last and backwards, maybe the angels don't want to cooperate with a lowlife like me?

What other system of magic is as strong but doesn't require me to taint my soul forever? because I find myself aligned with the goetics, some even appearing before me upon dreams, but I don't want to deal with demons.

>>19470359
I just want to make contact, even if just once, to know that there's something good out there.

>>19470252
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do. For starters, I'm not entirely sure the angels prefer to work with people of little faith. You should likely elaborate a general idea of what you're trying to accomplish. It might help people give you an answer that you need. There's also the possibility things are already working, but you're too blind or arrogant to see it.

>>19470408
You need to contact an angel to see if there's anything good... in the world? By contact, are you expecting a physical manifestation?

>>19470436
I know there's plenty good in the world, but what about after? I'm scared anon, but I'll stay on the path, perhaps tomorrow during the eclipse would be my best shot.

And I'm not expecting a physical manifestation at all, I just need a sign, one sign and my faith will never ever falter.

>>19470477
Why are you worried about what happens after the fact? That sort of magic is a pretty big gun to pull just for some proof in an afterlife.

>>19470146
No

Keep going, been there done that

have you eber done an oz of dmt in a week and a half

>>19470685
Maybe doing an ounce of DMT and startling hedonism isn't meant to be their path.

I want to contact/summon something doesn't matter what it is can someone help?

How many rocks is TOO many

>>19470713
9

>>19462286
>that pic
So said the muslim who throw acid at his wife

How do I do a Kabbalah?

>>19461432
hello /omg/ and /x/
I never had any interest in the paranormal. so I only ever visit this board when I'm board.
but today I have come with a request to you. My father died last week. I don't want to see him or know if he's okay or anything. You see he was the only earning guy in the family. I'm still studying. So now we're completely fucked. I need to support my mom and my younger sisters. this past week I've thought a lot about suicide because I can't handle this pressure. I'm not that good in my studies that I'll get a good enough job to support the family and help my sisters continue their studies. We have money saved up to last 3-4 years. But my mom wants me to finish my studies so I can get a good job and not just be a wagecuck.
So I'm here to learn from you people. Is there any ritual, anything I can do that'll make me much much better at my studies so I can land a decent job? I'm ready to sell my soul(I'm sceptical if this even works), or decrease my lifetime to achieve this. I just wanna be happy and see my family till the day I die. And the only way to do this is get a decent job and income.
Sorry If i sound like a shitposter idk how shitposters in this board sound like

>>19471013
There's a secret ritual only known to those in the know, ya know? It's called the 'part time job' and can help small amounts of wealth to come to you in exchange for your free time

>>19471020
doing it and it's not enought. Hell it won't even pay for even my own studies.

>>19471026
Shit yeah I know. But seriosuly though, you should be like asking other boards, or shit other websites. If there was some magic that could fix peoples problems, people would be doing it by now

>>19471033
I know man I was feeling retarded as I was writing that post. I don't know i'm just looking an easy way out. I've never had to think like this

>>19471013
>I'm ready to sell my soul(I'm sceptical if this even works), or decrease my lifetime to achieve this.
Adderal if you want to go that route. I wouldn't because it's a shit ride to be on.

Ignoring that you need some grief counseling, and regular counseling on top of that, here are some things to consider:

Learn how to study more effectively. Not the most useful tip, but you can always find something you're doing wrong. Use a spaced repetition system like Anki or build a memory palace to shove all those useless facts. Study at better times of the day like first thing in the morning. Your university should have a tutoring service, use it.

See if you can transfer the credits you have into a related major that you would enjoy more. If not, it doesn't matter much because you need to be looking for internships and undergrad research in the field you want to work in, which doesn't have to be related to your major. An internship looks much better than a perfect GPA in most cases. I don't know how European education and the job market works, so I can't be more specific than that.

Bring your grades up a little by studying better, get an internship that looks good on a resume, consider fields that may seem unrelated to what you're studying, get some fucking counseling.

>>19470252
>maybe the angels don't want to cooperate with a lowlife like me?

For whatever reason. If they were interested, they would have approached you.

>What other system of magic is as strong but doesn't require me to taint my soul forever?

De Abano, Pseudo-Agrippa, the Greater Key, there are other forms of angel magic.

>>19470423
>For starters, I'm not entirely sure the angels prefer to work with people of little faith.

I suspect this is true.

Get home and turn on pc, go to /x/:
156 posts.


Godamnit.
Bitch is just relentless.

>>19469335
Who is *that* handsome young freedom fighter?

>>19469494
>pot is a foul scourge
Yeah so is affordable housing and edible food, if we look to our government overlords for any indication.

>>19471818

Subcommandante Insurgente Marcos.

Got a last minute call into work but it looks like I'll be able to leave early enough for ritual shenanigans.
-Semper Appotus-

>>19471843
I always liked Carlin's bit about "Firefighters fight fires, what do freedom fighters fight?"

>>19461432

Nigga how stupid do you have to be to invest time into this bullshit? You people believe you can summon demons and believe in magic? Fuck you're all retards.

>>19471876
Stupid, dumb, credulous. But I would have had to have been tarded in the first place in order to be REtarded.

On another note, allegedly George Carlin said he learned more from Robert Anton Wilson than any other source, but I cannot find the source. I believe it, just can't seem to find it.

>>19471890

I don't actually believe you people are dumb. I used to read the occult generals about a year ago and i tried to get into it, and i just found it hard because I didn't know where to start. I would start reading a few of the books recommended for beginners, but i was not comprehending a lot of the info.

>>19471908
Color me shocked.

>>19471911

Another thing is that thoth, and other people who make these generals seem to think they're hot shit and are very patronizing when people simply have a question.

>>19471923
>>19471911
Look anon I've been butthurt over Ape giving me shit before, but I didn't let it permanently impact my psychology. Also, it helps the butthurt if you give it back, but the majority of anons seem incapable of doing so, probably because they smell their own bullshit. Personally, I prefer to give shit right back to people whether I'm in the wrong or not.

>>19471923

zozzle

>>19471923
I seldom see questions that can't be answered by having already read the beginner folder and doing a google search. It's the occult, an entirely self-guided path of discovery that no one CAN spoonfeed. Like nigga, you have a primary source with what to do that you've been directed to, if you want to learn more about *thing*, maybe read through the labeled and curated library for an answer and do your own research. I've never had a problem because I do enough background study to ask the right questions instead of flop around trying to get a mouthful of guru dick.

Or they're those leading non-questions where the querent has already made up his mind that read like "I already decided that what you have to say is bullshit but convince me otherwise. Protip: You can't.'

>>19471987

>because I do enough background study to ask the right questions instead of flop around trying to get a mouthful of guru dick.

Kek, you're right. And I do apologize. I guess it's because I'm such a noob but I really do want to give studying the occult another try. I'll try my best to do my own research rather than resorting to asking questions. I'll just have to figure out what is a stupid question, and what isn't.

>>19472007
>I'll just have to figure out what is a stupid question, and what isn't.
That's easy, a great question has an answer you don't understand. A good one clarifies what you don't understand. A shitty one gets your shit kicked in. An amazing question sends ape down a rabbit hole of drugs and deep web searches and he comes back with new scans and less obnoxious memes.

Really all you need is a solid foundation of basic practice (yoga, contemplation, maybe divination, blacksmithing, gardening, astrophysics and underwater basketweaving) and you pick up the rest over time as needed.

>>19471851
Wow how extremely clever! If pro is the opposite if con then what's the opposite of progress? Haha checkmate. Fuck you and Carlin.

>>19472122
Pretty sure he meant George Carlin, not Dan Carlin, if that makes a difference.

>>19472141
Ha I don't even know who Dan Carlin is but he must be awful opinionated in one direction to [TRIGGER] someone that much. It is summer, and the young'n's don't know much about George unfortunately. Probably because he uses a lot of words and phrases that aren't allowed in SafeSpaces(tm)

>>19472122
>>19472141
>>19472180
Also, if you don't think George Carlin was clever, Idunno what to tell ya. It's pretty much empirically demonstrable.

Guys, I am getting really weird thoughts and memories, almost like flashbacks, of events that never even happened to me. I am not mentally ill or on hallucinogenic drugs. Could this be eclipse related? It is disorienting, unpredictable, and getting more intense with time.

>>19472180
I like his shows right before the end where he realized where everything is headed but can't quite distance himself from the big giant horsepill of bullshit that he'd been basing his act on for the past 30 years. Otherwise he's just too silly and the angry texan was superior in every way.

>>19472203
What are you talking about? You prefer the older and more cynical George Carlin? Because that would have been a better way to say it than stating everything as an objective fact.

>>19472218
I like the older and more cynical Carlin that had his whole ideology shaken to the ground. It makes for some good comedy when he no longer believes what his audience does.

>>19472234
>had his whole ideology shaken to the ground
Citation in his own words? Preferably something *not* from his stand up?

>>19461432
Magickckckck isn't real.

Get over it.

>eclipse sperging

Wew

>omfg its a fucking eclipse
>like ive literally seen 8 in my lifetime probably
>whoopdee fucking doo

>>19472252
Hey look it's the anti-"k" crusader, everyone! I saw them in another thread just the other day...welcome back! How goes the war against the world?

>>19472296
>I've seen (x) loads of times in my life
>Therefore this fact detracts from the objective significance of the phenomenon

And here, we see the "anon-centric" model of the solar system being asserted. At least as quaint as the geocentric model, this one still has yet to fall out of favor with many citizens, despite the mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary.

>>19472242
Just an observation. His whole demeanor in later interviews is like he saw how the sausage was made and what it was going to be made from. He got a lot less countercultural pot smoking hippie political in his act and in public and something from one of his later shows made me think he resented whatever his audience was at the time but couldn't go full throttle on it. I assumed that it was seeing his whole platform turn into the mess we have today. On top of it, his whole thing was being a clown, so going for the jugular of something outside the realm of stoner observations that descend into non-sequitur wasn't going to happen.

>>19472332
>Therefore this fact detracts from the objective significance of the phenomenon

>objective significance
Explain yourself.

It is a fucking eclipse. There is nothing significant or special about it. Your magic won't be more powerful because of it or whatever the fuck you believe in. One object will move in front of another and it'll look really cool if you're on the right drugs, that's it.

>>19472333
I'm inclined to say he didn't become less counter cultural, and I think his addiction to hydrocodone and excessive alcohol consumption had something to do with his 'stoner reformation' so to speak. I may be wrong though and frequently am.

>>19472364
>"a natural phenomenon that most people are not situated to view often in their lives is not objectively significant"

OK. (You)

>>19472364
Also,
>it'll look really cool if you're on drugs
Not everybody needs drugs to enjoy nature. Certainly not me.

>>19472377
>"a natural phenomenon that most people are not situated to view often in their lives is not objectively significant"

Besides being a naturally occurring visual phenomenon there is nothing significant about this.

So again, are you just mad about this part?
>Your magic won't be more powerful because of it or whatever the fuck you believe in.

>>19472398
You said
> There is nothing significant or special about it.

I told you what *was* significant and special about it, and now you add new conditions ("BESIDES BEING...") to your original assertion? Clever. I bet you're a hoot in debates.

>>19472425
>Your magic won't be more powerful because of it or whatever the fuck you believe in.

:^)

Have a nice day /x/

>>19472440
>Clever. I bet you're a hoot in debates.

>>19472398
>>19472440
>"I don't have anything of value to contribute or anything of substance to say in response, so I'll attack the spaghetti monster you believe in while I get a facial from the spaghetti monster *I* believe in"

>>19472377
I think he became less "liberal", or at least stayed where he was when everything moved on and went crazy. I'll give you that he was still counter-cultural, but a lot of his jokes failed to hit an obvious target like he was holding back. Maybe it was the drugs and age, but it also seems like he wasn't going after the PC nuts and pseudo-fascists the same way he did the first time around because they were now (more or less) his audience.

>>19472502
>seems like he wasn't going after the PC nuts and pseudo-fascists the same way he did the first time around because they were now (more or less) his audience.
I think his topics varied as he aged, but I don't have much evidence to support your statement...but on that note, I can say I know of a couple folks I'm close to who "like" Carlin, and they are the exact type of people he would skewer in his stand-up. But I think that has to do with a lack of self-awareness, I have a hard time believing George was pandering to these people later on.

>>19472122
He was referring specifically to the Contras, and US references to them, to be clear... Carlin wasn't usually one to define an entire category of people by the actions of a portion of them.

>eclipse'd

Wow and nothing happened would you look at that

>>19473003
>Sun is occulted by moon
>"nothing happened"
>Moon passes in front of sun where anon is living
>"OK guys the entire eclipse is over now"

>And here, we see the "anon-centric" model of the solar system being asserted. At least as quaint as the geocentric model, this one still has yet to fall out of favor with many citizens, despite the mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary.

>>19473065
>Sun is occulted by moon

It's like your trying to say something but there's nothing there.

>>19473121
Lack of reading comprehension ability on your part does not constitute need to write a dissertation to help you understand a sentence on my part.

>>19473121
>>19473142
Anyway, if NOTHING happened, that must be a first since before the Big Bang. So that's pretty significant.

>>19473150
>Anyway, if NOTHING happened, that must be a first since before the Big Bang. So that's pretty significant.

I merely pointing out the fact that there is absolutely no underlying metaphysical phenomenon going on associated with this visual one. But feel free to lie to yourself about magix.

>>19461432
Fake useless stuff is fake and useless.

Don't agree? I bet you're rich and in great health.

>>19473174
>Metaphysical phenomenon
What instruments did you use to take measurements?

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>>19473174
>I merely pointing out the fact that there is absolutely no underlying metaphysical phenomenon going on
I know right? It's just something masculine being somehow hidden by something feminine. I wonder why they think it's so important. Silly magicians.

>>19473260
>It's just something masculine being somehow hidden by something feminine

If you want to be a magician sure. Oh and
>muh lions gate

If you want to be a realist neither have gender.

>>19473269
>"I am sperging out in a thread dedicated to a topic I claim not to believe in, over an event I claim to think people are overreacting to"
>"Nothing is happening"

>>19473306
Present any evidence to the contrary that something metaphysical happened :^)

>>19473321
Unless you are normally this autistic, I'm gonna go ahead and say your shameless display of Ass Burgers is pretty metaphysical.

>none of the thread regulars are posting because they are all doing eclipse rituals

Truly /omg/ will be flooded by magickal forces for decades to come. What a time to be alive.

>>19473386
I'm a regular who got fucked over on what was supposed to be my day off from work. I'll just be sliding it in after occultation, there's nothing I can do unfortunately.

>>19473386
>Truly /omg/ will be flooded by magickal forces for decades to come.

'Mom, I need more candles for my eclipse ritual! I'm bringing in the new Aeon just fucking help me you bitch.'

is there anyway to kill someone with your fake magic bullshit? i have a nigger next door that just won't let me sleep

>>19473003
>Wow and nothing happened would you look at that
>>19472398
>>19472364

Nobody here predicted any thing would happen, so take your asspains to another thread.

>>19473226
I've 21k in savings (not much but ahead of peers) and spent the last three days hauling 75lb loads of stone a half mile.

Anyway for such fake and useless stuff a full 3/4ths is academic.

>>19473386
:3
I saw that Manananggal again.

>>19473396
>not taking a religious day three plus months in advance.

>>19473657
>I've 21k in savings

Well enjoy that mortgage. That isn't rich.

>>19473657
>Presuming a day I took off weeks in advance matters even a little when you have to run a family business

>>19473657
>:3
You sound like a massive faggot

>>19473675
I know; I'm sitting better than most of my peers who either can't manage a bank account, find solid employment, and while I didn't get mommy and daddy's help, I'm at least certain I can stabilize myself without having my nose wiped by family.

And I will, considering the abysmal home ownership rates among those my age.

>>19473657
>hauling 75lb loads of stone a half mile
You relocating statues now too?

>>19473687
:C

>>19473686
>2017
>helping family
>relying on familiy
>having family

>>19473714
I will always have family, even if people with whom I share blood with are not part of it, or people with whom I don't share blood ARE part of it

>>19473705
>And I will, considering the abysmal home ownership rates among those my age.

You might want to look into land instead...get a trailer or something. Its rather depressing these days.

>>19473714
>>19473714
>>2017
>>helping family
>>relying on familiy
>>having family


Ape confirmed for anti social non traditionalist black sheep.

>>19473733
No man I know; I might just keep climbing up into the 20% top income bracket before doing much serious.

>>19473724
Word. IJS, filial obligation is a spook and I've seen way too many people let it tear them down.

>>19473747
Not really, if anything, I'm the "good" one, I just don't have the time or psychoemotional energy to waste on their perpetual drama, particularly if they were nowhere to be found while I was hitchhiking or recycling scrap.

>>19473812
>filial obligation is a spook
Amen. You ever done the thing where you pull out your diary and point out that they get bitchy and depressed any time anything comes up in their family and take it out on you, only to have them deny it as you point out every occasion their family has fucked them over weighed against the one time they try to bring up?

>>19473892
Wot? Also, just wanna clarify that isn't my post.

>>19473916
I had a friend who was getting religiously fucked over by his subservient relationship with his parents and busted out the diary to point out when, where and how much time and money they took from him only to be thrown in a hole and how he expressed it to other people and took it out his own body.

Wizard journal let's you see and accurately reference patterns you wouldn't otherwise.

>>19473984
Are you aware of Global Rule #1?

>>19474005
>You will not upload, post, discuss, request, or link to anything that violates local or United States law.

I'm not seeing how this is a break.

>>19474052
Ha oops wrong one. 2? The age one. It's been a while.

>>19474064
He was 24 at the time.

>>19474071
I think your friend had more problems than overbearing parents, then. Not saying they weren't wrong, though.

>>19473812
>particularly if they were nowhere to be found while I was hitchhiking or recycling scrap.

Iktfb

Fuck em. I'm gonna do great, I have big things planned. I've been there before, and no one helped me. So fuck em. I'm sure in the future I will have one of them crawling to me begging for money.

>>19474084
Oh definitely, but it set him straight and got him out of town to live his own life the first chance he got. And now he and everyone in his family is much better for it.

My point was that family is a spook and when you lay it on the table like that and see what exactly you're sacrificing yourself for, how deep you're driving the nails and what the return is, that shit better add up. Most people don't have those kinds of problems and don't see it that way which just fucks the ones that do over.

Would I be facing any fines for public nudity or anything if the cops happened upon me doing ritual on state land? I should be able to get some kinda religious exemption right? How come about half the population can only associate nudity with fucking?

>>19474217
>fucking nude
Disgusting.

>>19474217
It honestly depends on your local jurisdiction but it's better to be as secluded as possible

>>19474220
The secret to enlightenment is to fuck with your clothes on, then go to work in the nude. Shhh.

>>19474217
>Would I be facing any fines for public nudity or anything if the cops happened upon me doing ritual on state land? I should be able to get some kinda religious exemption right?
Yes.
>I should be able to get some kinda religious exemption right?
Hah. Get a lawyer.

>being this naive

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>>19469344
That picture is incredible.

>>19473657
>I saw that Manananggal again.
>>The Manananggal (sometimes confused with the Wak Wak and Aswang) is a vampire-like mythical creature of the Philippines, a malevolent, man-eating and blood-sucking monster or witch.

You ok broham?

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>>19474423
Yeah mate I'm great, I just have no idea what the thing actually is; I think there's a population of 'em in the woods.

>>19474438
It's just your primal ativisms bubbling up. Basic turnskinnery.

what is /omg/s opinion on the works of Blair Crash and Rufus Opus?

>>19474438
Also had contact with:
>A red and golden toad
>insects galore; red striped grasshoppers, dragonflies

The raspberry bushes were long fallow, tho.

>>19474451
>Blair Crash
Literally who?

>Rufus Opus
Huge jackass.
He knows a thing or two, but he's overpriced, over reductive, pretensions, and bitchy.

With me at least the library is free and I like to get into details.

>>19474475
>he's overpriced, over reductive, pretensions, and bitchy
You're at le-
>With me at least the library is free and I like to get into details.
zol

>>19474438
>I think there's a population of 'em in the woods.

Pics or it didn't happen

I mean

Pics or it's a /larp/

>>19473226
>I bet you're rich and in great health.

Hmm, great health can be reached with magick (evocation of spirits related to health) or esoteric practices (yoga), but what about money? I think this is a good question. Why magickians dont make big money so they can accomplish their work without being bothered with money problems?

>>19474554
>Why magickians dont make big money so they can accomplish their work without being bothered with money problems?

Because they all, by far and large, are terrible at business. At best you might have a few outstanding writers in the 500k-1mil/year slot. Though its probably more like the 100-200k slot.

>>19474554
I can't think of many who are good at what they do who don't live comfortably. Most aren't rich, but they have houses full of rare and valuable shit and still manage to dress nice at the very least and that's not easy to do.

>>19474593
>Most aren't rich, but they have houses full of rare and valuable shit and still manage to dress nice at the very least and that's not easy to do.

Upper middle class at best then? You can't take a lien out on an occult book.

>>19474593
>93
Rich is relative.
Anyone at median US income is by definition more wealthy than half the posters on this site. Anyone at median US income is by definition more wealthy than like 8/10ths, plus, of the planet.

A million bucks ain't much anymore. Conversely I can think of few scenarios where I would genuinely NEED multiples of that in regular intervals.

>>19474604
Depending on your location, many of 'em are "low upper" due to education coupled with purchase power.

But I mean, if you guys think (the royal) we don't make enough to get by in the metro and/or other inflated land markets, Xoanon's run from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules,_California where I'm sure the vast majority of homes are a couple mil.

>>19474604
Most people aren't rich anyway. People around you die or go crazy all the time and you end up with a lot of small inheritances and more occult paraphernalia you can hock. Not to mention academia and yoga instruction doesn't really pay all that well but you have a lot of free time to make up for it. There's a trade and what you gain is a more fulfilling life.

>>19474623
>But I mean, if you guys think (the royal) we don't make enough to get by in the metro and/or other inflated land markets, Xoanon's run from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules,_California where I'm sure the vast majority of homes are a couple mil.

Couple mil, flash cars and trucks don't mean shit if you're median income is still barely over 100k. That just says a lot of debt and credit card use.

>>19474628
>Not to mention academia and yoga instruction doesn't really pay all that well but you have a lot of free time to make up for it. There's a trade and what you gain is a more fulfilling life.

Meh. Not true. I know several millionaires that don't do shit like that (a fucking yoga studio) and still enjoy many vacations a year. All of them have plenty of free time when they aren't busy making money.

>>19474643
>All of them have plenty of free time when they aren't busy making money.
You work 90 hours a week for years before you get to that point. I'd rather make 60k a year teaching 3 classes a week with most nights and weekends free and have 4 months off to do whatever.

>>19474737
>You work 90 hours a week for years before you get to that point.

But if you get to that point in less than 5 years you will have done less work than your 60/k a year 40-50 hour a week job.

>>19474643
>I know several millionaires
And I'd imagine most of them were born into money or at least a solid support system to springboard from who aren't actually "busy" making money from passive income.

>>19474737
>I'd rather make 60k a year teaching 3 classes a week with most nights and weekends free and have 4 months off to do whatever.
^This, which in grand total of hours spent equates to the amount of time it takes to administrate your trusts/accruing capital. Not everyone needs born with a silver spoon in their rectum for "success".

>>19474752
>But if you get to that point in less than 5 years you will have done less work than your 60/k a year 40-50 hour a week job.
That's the point mate.
You sitting in the /omg/ thread bitching to some of the few economically mobile people on this board, let alone in this climate, about how they're not successful when they're in their first years of popping median and looking higher (found a museum gig in RI that's 75k starting but fucker expired).

>>19474752
We're talking about occultists here. They like reading books and doing drugs and fucking in the woods, not playing roulette on the 20:1 odds of having a startup last a year just for the sake of maybe getting paid if it pans out. We're mostly academics, engineers and analysts m8.

>>19474826
>not playing roulette on the 20:1 odds of having a startup last a year just for the sake of maybe getting paid if it pans out.
I mean, look what happened to certain /div/ tripfags who hopped on the startup carousel, now drinking alone in their parent's house stalking girls half their age.

>>19474859
It's why I'm going for the fast-paced world of statistical analysis. 80k a year and decent hours. That and I'd be 35 by the time I got out of grad school for clinical psych. I need a steady paycheck for once in my life.

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Lookie at what I found near my eclipse spot

I think it's from a rabbit

>>19474904
16. Roadkill. Find it, bag it, take it home and get it on your fucking altar. Photograph with more skulls and poisonous herbs.

http://rodriguezmystic.blogspot.com/2016/06/how-to-be-traditional-witch-on-internet.html

>>19474916
Shit, all I'm missing is herbs for job reasons.

>>19474777
>And I'd imagine most of them were born into money or at least a solid support system to springboard from who aren't actually "busy" making money from passive income.

Untrue.

>>19474796
>You sitting in the /omg/ thread bitching to some of the few economically mobile people on this board, let alone in this climate, about how they're not successful when they're in their first years of popping median and looking higher (found a museum gig in RI that's 75k starting but fucker expired).

Sure 75k starting is nice, and you might make well if you find another job at 100k+ in the next 3 years.

I would rather make 500k/year and work 60+ hours every week only to retire before 30 than work a 60k/yr job for 40 hours a week.

>>19474944
>work a 60k/yr job for 40 hours a week.
You only work 7 months out of the year and do something you love, unless you love being a (((stereotype))).

>>19474916
Sorry I interrupted your discussion on personal finance with a picture of a rabbits foot I found while taking a piss

I'll let you get back to this occult related discussion

>>19462216
just ask her to show bob and vagine

>>19474966
Cut those bones up into beads mate.

>>19474961
>You only work 7 months out of the year and do something you love, unless you love being a (((stereotype))).

And you'll be doing that thing for the rest of your life. Enjoy.

>>19475024
>Enjoy doing what you like doing with ample time to do other things
Can do, sport!

Anons - anyone do ceremonial work daily (or daily-ish) and a more immediate work such as Chaos as needed? I'm working through modern magick currently but have done chaos work in the past with success. I know they are technically "opposite" ends of the spectrum but really, just seems like different paths to the same result. Anyone else do a mix like this?

>>19475039
>Enjoy doing what you like doing with ample time to do other things

Indeed. I plan on doing the same but with more money, more projects, more jobs and more businesses.

>>19475024
>"Oh, he gets psychoemotional gratification from his career choice? How pedestrian!"
How about instead of lording your status over the plebs you give real actual functional advice on how to go from just north of media to 5% instead of lording it over the plebs because I've talked to 20-15%ers and I see what the startup racket does to people, and the clusterfucks they operate under, and there's a reason I'm not eyeballing lead HR or management3.0 in the Valley.

>>19475049
You post here and aren't Taylor Swift. You ain't doing shit.

>>19475043
You can't get by without both.

>>19475054
So much for that edit job. I need food, and to scrub the blood acre offa me.

>>19474966
Also:
>/omg/ - real estate
>/omg/ - theoretical physics
>/omg/ - finances and business
>/omg/ - archiving and curation
>/omg/ - organizational administration
>/omg/ - statistics and neuroscience

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>>19474554
>Why magickians dont make big money so they can accomplish their work without being bothered with money problems?

Because occultism attracts a certain kind of personality, usually one somewhere on the autistic or schizoid spectrum: the dreamer, the artists, the academic, the idealist, the romantic, the crazy. They may trace the Enochian to protolanguages, know the attributes and the quintuple meanings of the 64 Yoginis like the multiplication table, visit every nook and cranny of the astral, but when confronted with real life and real people, they usually betray a lack of aptitude, although some (like the academic and artist) may to a certain degree fake that they are social persons. Most of them aren't practical, and prefer to fantasize and mentally masturbate rather than working in the real world (for such types, larping in the woods or cemeteries is more productive and spiritual than, for example, doing something tangible for their community. Even the Aghoras in India offer help to outcaste and "unclean" people: https://www.amazon.com/Aghor-Medicine-Pollution-Healing-Northern/dp/0520252195. Western occultist like to simply play pretend). Most of them are gullible (some fall for the rainbow and sunshine memes, other for the skulls and sex), and can be easily swindled out of their money by someone who knows what buttons to press (give the Wicca to the ugly girl who wants to feel like a Goddess, and the LHP Witchcraft to the little impotent and insecure man who wants to feel in control of his life).
You never see Chad or Stacy, or well adjusted and down to earth people, in occultism. Practical people don't need occultism. In fact, a complete casual who listens to his conscience and manages to support his family and improve his community can go much further than a Wiccan witch, a Dragonborn edgelord, or a White Western ((((((Vamacarin)))))))

>>19475081
If magic actually worked these would all be applicable.

Too bad it doesn't and you're all full of shit. Prove me otherwise, none of you fags have ever posted a Goetic summoning video recording or anything like that. Hell at least the psipog community had people willing to post videos of telekinesis.

>>19475193
>Most of them are gullible (some fall for the rainbow and sunshine memes, other for the skulls and sex), and can be easily swindled out of their money by someone who knows what buttons to press (give the Wicca to the ugly girl who wants to feel like a Goddess, and the LHP Witchcraft to the little impotent and insecure man who wants to feel in control of his life).
>You never see Chad or Stacy, or well adjusted and down to earth people, in occultism. Practical people don't need occultism. In fact, a complete casual who listens to his conscience and manages to support his family and improve his community can go much further than a Wiccan witch, a Dragonborn edgelord, or a White Western ((((((Vamacarin)))))))

He's right you know.

>>19475248
And yet here we all are posting here on 4chan, none of that applies. Enjoy your stay and don't forget.

>>19475265
>Enjoy your stay and don't forget magic doesn't real.

Fix't.

>>19475277
Something is possessing you to keep posting.

>>19475297
Yes, a call for evidence. Which, much like all other assorted new age faggotry, psionic shit, ceremonial magick cults, sex magick orgy groups and what not, nobody in this thread will ever deliver.

>>19475319
How about you go get some degrees and do a study worthy of peer review.

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>>19475319
>a call for evidence
Of what, exactly?
Last I checked most of us make no hard claims about the spiritual model v. the psychological model, and are much more interested in the basic work of taxonomy and phenomenology.

>ceremonial magick cults, sex magick orgy groups and what not, nobody in this thread will ever deliver.
>implying Thelemites don't participate in sexual magick.

>>19475358
I would tell you to go look at Dean Radin or some other kook. Too bad all the phenomenon observed is negligible and within error controls :^)

I mean you could also go look up the stargate documents if you want to.

Is everyone here seriously arguing about money?

As far as the statements about 'Chad' and 'Stacy'. No, they don't get into occultism. They just post pictures on Facebook about opening their chakras, gloat over salt spa caves, babble about spreading good vibes from conscious to conscious, mention how they became one with the Earth on their latest camping trip, and talk about their horoscopes. They like the diet stuff.

>>19475374
All that positive material nihilism is no way to live. Go away. You're a boring troll.

>>19475368
>Of what, exactly?

High strangeness, visual phenomenon, apparitions, or other inconceivable physics defying acts...which almost all of these evocations/invocations/mantras/etc claim to make happen.

>>19475374
Actually the last Bem meta-analysis was really fucking interesting, but the only people who care are me, statfag, and surgo.

>>19475393
Has it undergone peer review?

>>19475399
Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

Why do skeptics come into these threads without being aware of the current publication climate?

>>19475414
>Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

>The journal's focus is on empirical research reports; however, specialized theoretical, methodological, and review papers are also published.
>JPSP is one of the journals analyzed in the Open Science Collaboration’s Reproducibility Project after JPSP’s publication of questionable research for mental time travel (Bem, 2011)[3]

>Why do skeptics come into these threads without being aware of the current publication climate?
Because you continue to push bullshit without anyone checking you on it?

But feel free to offer any video evidence to the contrary. You won't, none of you ever will.

Theoretical and meta analysis reviews do not count as reproducibility. If these studies can never meet this objective then they are nothing more than mental masturbation.

>>19475459
Yoga has psychophyiological effects on heart rate not related to the breathing employed. I can give you a whole hell of a lot of citations to choke on for that.

>>19475482
>Yoga has psychophyiological effects on heart rate not related to the breathing employed. I can give you a whole hell of a lot of citations to choke on for that.

Yeah yeah and I'm familiar with meditation studies as well.

But there is a fucking gigantic leap of logic happening if you go from heart rate effects of meditation to 'I can summon a spirit that was commanded by Solomon ages ago' or 'I can view remotely in my minds eye, a place 1000 miles away' or 'I remember 5 of my past lives'.

>>19475492
How does it affect you though?

>>19475459
Here's a nice little article on the Bem controversy:
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/28/the-control-group-is-out-of-control/

Also, "mental time travel" is a pretty wild descriptor for "exploring feelings of premonition", which is the effect demonstrated.

>This is not a criticism of Bem or a criticism of parapsychology. It’s something that is inherent to the practice of meta-analysis, and even more, inherent to the practice of science. Other than a few very exceptional large medical trials, there is not a study in the world that would survive the level of criticism I am throwing at Bem right now.
>I think Bem is wrong. The level of criticism it would take to prove a wrong study wrong is higher than that almost any existing study can withstand. That is not encouraging for existing studies.

>>19475482
>Neurotheology
>Shamanism: A Biopsychophysical Paradigm
>Kabbalah: A Neurocognitive Approach to Mystical Experiences
>Kabbalah and Psychoanalysis
>A Felt Sense: More Explorations of Psychoanalysis and Kabbalah
>Making Sense of Things: Archaeology of Sense Perception.
>Memes, Genes, and Human History: Darwinian Archaeology

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>>19475505
>The highest level of the Pyramid of Scientific Evidence is meta-analysis. But a lot of meta-analyses are crap. This meta-analysis got p < 1.2 * 10^-10 for a conclusion I'm pretty sure is false, and it isn’t even one of the crap ones. Crap meta-analyses look more like this, or even worse.

>How do I know it’s crap? Well, I use my personal judgment. How do I know my personal judgment is right? Well, a smart well-credentialed person like James Coyne agrees with me. How do I know James Coyne is smart? I can think of lots of cases where he’s been right before. How do I know those count? Well, John Ioannides has published a lot of studies analyzing the problems with science, and confirmed that cases like the ones Coyne talks about are pretty common. Why can I believe Ioannides’ studies? Well, there have been good meta-analyses of them. But how do I know if those meta-analyses are crap or not? Well…

>>19475505
I looked through his list of ninety studies for all the ones that were both exact replications and had been peer-reviewed (with one caveat to be mentioned later). I found only seven:

Batthyany, Kranz, and Erber: .268
Ritchie 1: 0.015
Ritchie 2: -0.219
Richie 3: -0.040
Subbotsky 1: 0.279
Subbotsky 2: 0.292
Subbotsky 3: -.399

Three find large positive effects, two find approximate zero effects, and two find large negative effects. Without doing any calculatin’, this seems pretty darned close to chance for me.

>>19475516
Dude you're literally sperging out like a christian over 'scientism'. I expected better.

>>19475537
The point to take home is that either this study is right, or a whole lot of science needs more stringent review because the results aren't as significant.

>>19475516
>Wiseman & Schlitz’s Experimenter Effects And The Remote Detection Of Staring is my favorite parapsychology paper ever and sends me into fits of nervous laughter every time I read it.

>The backstory: there is a classic parapsychological experiment where a subject is placed in a room alone, hooked up to a video link. At random times, an experimenter stares at them menacingly through the video link. The hypothesis is that this causes their galvanic skin response (a physiological measure of subconscious anxiety) to increase, even though there is no non-psychic way the subject could know whether the experimenter was staring or not.

>The results? Schlitz’s trials found strong evidence of psychic powers, Wiseman’s trials found no evidence whatsoever. Take a second to reflect on how this makes no sense. Two experimenters in the same laboratory, using the same apparatus, having no contact with the subjects except to introduce themselves and flip a few switches – and whether one or the other was there that day completely altered the result. For a good time, watch the gymnastics they have to do to in the paper to make this sound sufficiently sensical to even get published. This is the only journal article I’ve ever read where, in the part of the Discussion section where you’re supposed to propose possible reasons for your findings, both authors suggest maybe their co-author hacked into the computer and altered the results.

>>19475552
>or a whole lot of science needs more stringent review because the results aren't as significant.

Which is the more likely conclusion.

Didn't the whole of the APA just figure out this is a problem? Reproduciability has been an issue in psychology for years, which has only been really looked at the last 5, maybe 10.

>>19475552
Fucking thank you.
There is a third option, though, and slatestar touches on it:
>Subtler effects than we even have the ability to statistically model.

>>19475537
What? I love science. The author of that article is a medical professional.

>Wagenmakers, you are overconfident. Suppose God came down from Heaven and said in a booming voice “EVERY SINGLE STUDY IN THIS META-ANALYSIS WAS CONDUCTED PERFECTLY WITHOUT FLAWS OR BIAS, AS WAS THE META-ANALYSIS ITSELF.” You would see a p-value of less than 1.2 * 10^-10 and think “I bet that was just coincidence”? And then they could do another study of the same size, also God-certified, returning exactly the same results, and you would say “I bet that was just coincidence too”? YOU ARE NOT THAT CERTAIN OF ANYTHING. Seriously, read the @#!$ing Sequences.

>>19475571
>You would see a p-value of less than 1.2 * 10^-10 and think “I bet that was just coincidence”?

I see that value and then question margin of error. Coincidence gives no scientific value or accuracy.

>>19475492
And still, this

>But there is a fucking gigantic leap of logic happening if you go from heart rate effects of meditation to 'I can summon a spirit that was commanded by Solomon ages ago' or 'I can view remotely in my minds eye, a place 1000 miles away' or 'I remember 5 of my past lives'.

>>19475559
Social psychology has always been full of bunk and bullshit from top to bottom with the occasional gem. This affects your hard sciences what worship cartesian dick but can't into the phenomenology that they base it from.

>>19475571
That's most likely.

>>19475622
It's not much leap from "whatever constitutes being 'aware' affects physiology" to "there are aspects of consciousness with millenia of reports that require further study because we don't know shit and are basing this off a worldview where only just threw all our gods and spirits down inside where we don't acknowledge them."

>>19475081
Sorry I got triggered, I had a bit of heat stroke. I plan on collecting some bones just for that purpose
>>19475193
This was a reasonable troll until I got to Chad and Stacy. I've known a lot of Chads and Stacys and they tend to be just as miserable as everyone else

>well adjusted down to earth people

I have yet to meet anyone that stays that way for any length of time.

>>19475571
Fuking hell man
>Other fields don’t have this excuse. In psychotherapy, for example, practically the only consistent finding is that whatever kind of psychotherapy the person running the study likes is most effective. Thirty different meta-analyses on the subject have confirmed this with strong effect size (d = 0.54) and good significance (p = .001).

>Then there’s Munder (2013), which is a meta-meta-analysis on whether meta-analyses of confounding by researcher allegiance effect were themselves meta-confounded by meta-researcher allegiance effect. He found that indeed, meta-researchers who believed in researcher allegiance effect were more likely to turn up positive results in their studies of researcher allegiance effect (p < .002). It gets worse. There's a famous story about an experiment where a scientist told teachers that his advanced psychometric methods had predicted a couple of kids in their class were about to become geniuses (the students were actually chosen at random). He followed the students for the year and found that their intelligence actually increased. This was supposed to be a Cautionary Tale About How Teachers’ Preconceptions Can Affect Children.

>>19475676
>I have yet to meet anyone that stays that way for any length of time.

Huh, that's funny. Everyone I know making above 500k a year remains down to earth, nearly all year round.

>>19475721
>tfw you're the scientist who discovers meta-metabias, but only likely because you yourself suffered meta-meta-metabias

The earth sits on a flat disk, held by four elephants, which themselves ride bias. What's below the bias? Simple, anon, it's bias all the way down.

>>19475658
>It's not much leap from "whatever constitutes being 'aware' affects physiology" to "there are aspects of consciousness with millenia of reports that require further study because we don't know shit and are basing this off a worldview where only just threw all our gods and spirits down inside where we don't acknowledge them."

No sir, it is. It is a giant leap, to go from awareness that is extrasensory, precognitive or whatever in some random numbers test or colored stimuli or card count/predict whatever...to say that you can communicate with those gods and spirits. That's a fucking leap. One that no one who aims to maintain rationality (muh method of science aim of religion) could make.

I'm very sure it was much easier to bullshit back in Crowley and Regardie's day. You know, lack of peer review, reproduciability, video evidence, physical evidence and all that jazz.

>>19475761
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but Crowley pushed the psychological model for the vast majority of his life.

>>19475737
>What's below the bias? Simple, anon, it's bias all the way down.

So maybe the new age retards were right and they're all laughing at us now because reality does actually = thought and you control it all.

No? Not appealing to your theme of occultism?

>>19475735
Kek. I've known so many fucked up kids of overly rich parents. They can make bank on the derivitives market but they can't seem to raise kids worth shit

>>19475737
I have never liked this notion of intersubjectivity because Baudriallard is a french communist so french that he declared communism old hat. Welcome to the desert of the real, indeed.

>>19475761
I just assume everything is the interplay of Consciousness and Energy with many eyes looking in upon itself. Makes about as much sense as everything else.

>>19475784
>Kek. I've known so many fucked up kids of overly rich parents. They can make bank on the derivitives market but they can't seem to raise kids worth shit

While that's fine and there are maybe one or two I know like that most people I know in those income brackets are self made. I don't get why you have trouble believing this.

>>19475788
>I just assume everything is the interplay of Consciousness and Energy with many eyes looking in upon itself. Makes about as much sense as everything else.

The delayed observer double-split experiments offer some interesting insights.

>>19475784
It's wes anderson shit, so rich all you have left are problems.

>>19475795
They fall out of it faster than they're in it. The 1% has extremely high turnover. Statistcally speaking.

>>19475806
Also delayed choice quantum eraser.

>>19475795
Because of the statistics on wealth stratification.
Someone growing up going to nice schools in a 250k household with a constant and fluffy support network getting cash infusions from family when things look down or when they wanna have fun is not "self made". It's "I had every opportunity in life but want to cultivate an air of rugged individualism so I'll throw everyone who ever helped me under the bus to keep up the lie", which only goes to substantiate >>19475784

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>>19475806
I just picked it because the indians have the best metaphor for it.

>>19475826
>Someone growing up going to nice schools in a 250k household with a constant and fluffy support network getting cash infusions from family when things look down or when they wanna have fun is not "self made".

Which is why I wouldn't use the world self made for that. Like I said only one or two of them really fit that narrative.

Many people I know are business owners, brewery owners, real estate moguls or something like that. They all classify as self made for the most part.

I know the main tripfag might be a commie but don't hate on capitalism cause some people do it better than you.

>>19475795
>self made

This is demonstrably false with very little research, especially when you approach the seven figure bracket

>trouble believing

Because I've spent much of my life hanging out with the children of the American aristocracy? Sure plenty of them end up fine but a large number follow the parents think there's something wrong with them -> shitty therapists describe them powerful mood altering medication at a young age-> become disaffected and shitty at school so they enter the party scene and don't look back-> become total burnouts living off their parents money life track

Dunno why you're defending their lifestyle so hard anon, one thing they taught me early is that money isnt everything

>>19475857
>Dunno why you're defending their lifestyle so hard anon, one thing they taught me early is that money isnt everything

No its not. But the people I know that I respect and enjoy spending time with are some of the best people I have ever known. I am not speaking of wealth or riches as being an exact judge of character...but in some cases they are appropriate.

About 20% of them are occultists.

>>19475881
>people I know that I respect and enjoy spending time with are some of the best people I have ever known
Said literally every single tribe about it's own since fucking 23000 BCE.

>>19475899
>Said literally every single tribe about it's own since fucking 23000 BCE.

Too bad the OTO, Freemasonry and A.'.A.'. can't keep up that kind of comradery.

>>19475907
They aren't the only ones. I don't know if you've noticed but our society is slowly but surely tearing itself apart due to sheer pettiness

>>19475907
>>19475926
>"Hey, something might be a bit fucked up here guys, we could fix it by X, Y, or Z"
>"Shut your mouth you petty fuck and mind your own fucking business, people like you are the reason things are so bad."

Uhuh.

>>19475945
Uh.. None of those posts implied either of those things.

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>>19476454
>>19476463
My god the tism