/omg/ - Occultism & Magick General

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Link previous thread lad.

>>19453667
"Catalog">"Archive">(ctrl+f "omg")>(?)>Profit

>>19444025

Nigga, I haven't even been around the internet for like the past 3-4 threads and this took me like fifteen seconds.

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SeLah got any big eclipse plans?

>>1945368647
Not as big as i would like, Did a pretty successful necromantic operation in a cemetery last night, though. How about you?


On another note, was Hackett an initiate of any sort?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCQhNIIJk-k&list=PLL-HWMvwk2ZdV1wmmuBQbEjNbBU6z4boG

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>>19453681
It makes it look neat desu.

>>19453682
>>19453685
Ha I am ruh-tard at linkback

>>19453685
I might add, on all thesde Guitar World and Rolling Stone lists of "100 greatest Guitarists of all time" it's always like a list of a hundred buckethead and Slash types. You don't see guys like Hackett, Zappa, Greg Lake, Robert Fripp, etc.

I guess "fast" is the new "good."

Why do y'all say magick with a K? Is magic the shitty western version? Just curious.

>>19453725
"Magick, in the context of Aleister Crowley's Thelema, is a term used to show and differentiate the occult from performance magic and is defined as "the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will", including both "mundane" acts of will as well as ritual magic. Crowley wrote that "it is theoretically possible to cause in any object any change of which that object is capable by nature"

However we're not all Thelemites, but most of us agree on using the "k."

>>19453745
OK gotcha, so magic is entertainment and magick is the real shit.

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Archives of recent /omg/ here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n98ccw8vzt0o5ss/AACFJArgdukvMnxJyz3wmvkLa?dl=0

>>19453751
I mean, that's sorta a facile breakdown.
Both words are valid.
Magic-k comes straight out of Early Modern English, via the French, also used in German (where a lot of our English speaking grimoire tradition comes from via Agrippa). Use of '-k' declined until Levi pumped life back into the current from France at which point it gained steam again.

Both are valid descriptors but generally the 'k' denotes work in the English, French, and German grimoire traditions from Dee to Abramelin to Levi to Crowley and beyond.

Anyone have any good preparations for dried San Pedro flesh? Ape mentioned an acid extraction last time I was here, and there seem to be a lot of different approaches. Links will be appreciated!

>>19453765
https://erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/mescaline.extraction.html

>>19453773

Awesome. I just happen to have a couple bottles of sulfuric acid for the task!

How do you justify spending even a single minute of time shitposting to your HGA?

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>>19453681
>Nigga, I haven't even been around the internet for like the past 3-4 threads and this took me like fifteen seconds.

>>19453667
Welcome newfriend :^)

>>19453788
>"The Master of the Temple shall interpret all phenomena as a direct dealing of God with his soul"

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>>19453765
>>19453783
The hcl is probably my favorite form.

>>19453789
I guess about a year on /omg/ makes me relatively new. I never will understand the way some people take pride in the amount of time they have been here. I don't brag to you about my extended stay in the hospital, and you don't brag to me about your time on 4chan ;-)

>>19453798
Will this make me puke less or more than eating the flesh itself? usually with psychedelics that can make you sick, I end up projectile vomiting then almost immediately shifting consciousness and things begin to get weird. On HBW I can tell where the peak(s) will occur via vomitomancy.

>>19453815
>Will this make me puke less or more than eating the flesh itself?

Less, also avoid alcohol prior to doing it. Probably at least 3 days. They do not mix.

Almost everyone vomits on mescaline, even more so on raw peyote/pedro flesh.

>>19453809
Don't take it personally. They have nothing else to fill that deep hole in their hearts that a broken childhood left.

>>19453809
>I guess about a year on /omg/ makes me relatively new. I never will understand the way some people take pride in the amount of time they have been here.

I was replying to the person that couldn't find the archive, tone your reactions down. -_-

>>19453822
Not all of us were lucky enough to be loved by somebody.

>>19453821
OK, thanks! William Burroughs claimed to have known a junkie who took copious amounts of peyote, claimed to have lost all withdrawal and craving for opiates, then died of either mescaline poisoning or one of the other alkaloids in there. I know opiate withdrawals go terribly with psychedelics, but I always found I liked to drink a bit on fungus or -25. Any idea why cactus is different?

>>19453827
Jesus loves his sheep, anon.

>>19453829
This is true.

>>19453828
>Any idea why cactus is different?

The alkaloids in the cactuses that are left over, even in extraction there's still traces of some, and the alkaloids that are in the raw flesh do cause stomach issues. Its something kind of unique to the cactus, it more or less has poisons in it that will make you vomit. These do not interact with alcohol at all. I have personally tried to drink while on mescaline and while on the tea/flesh and spent the next day vomiting for almost all day.

Also the peyote/san pedro churches that do ritual use of the cactus, at least near me, do not allow alcohol use in the tipi.

>>19453841
>cactuses
Cacti

Fuck its still early

>>19453841
>will not allow alcohol use in the tipi
Yeah, I had a similar problem, where they wouldn't let me smoke joints in church, even if I agreed to sit in the back. Religious discrimination is real.

>>19453848
>Yeah, I had a similar problem, where they wouldn't let me smoke joints in church, even if I agreed to sit in the back. Religious discrimination is real.

They let one group smoke weed during a ritual but I think it was cause all of that group was hardcore weed types.

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>>19453689
>ruh-tard at linkback

that's what >>19453667
is saying I think

;)

I have a vague plan for mountaintop ritual magicks. Maybe some -25 but I also don't want to overcomplicate things by getting high.

>>19453815
Ever tried railing 2ce? after the sensation of a psychedelic drill shooting straight through your nose out the back of your head abates, you basically instantly start vomiting and instantly get high as all hell. Sort of a fascinating, clean way to come up, because I always came out the other side of that feeling so clear-headed. It cuts out the first hour of body discomfort and just condenses it into like a 15 minute hellish experience. Fun with friends, it gets the whole crew moaning "Why did we do this oh my god no"

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>>19453871
>Ever tried railing 2ce?
>mfw

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>>19453872
>also

>>19453871
>Fun with friends, it gets the whole crew moaning "Why did we do this oh my god no"

The best times...asides from that burn

I never got to try the D or P, both of which I kind of look forward to. Alas.

>>19453871
I've always wanted to try that type stuff. Never even hear of the 2-c's and 2-b's til Alex grey. how about AMT?

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>>19453872
>>19453878

HA literally exactly. I did it on one occasion with a friend, and our other friend came upon us in the woods right at that stage in the proceedings, to find us both bent over a felled tree vomiting but still trying to communicate with each other, so it was basically just *blrhrrghh* "holy shit the purple- *blurrrrgghhh* "oh my god *blurhgghg*

She was not a drugs person and was like "uhhh you guys good? ok then...."

>>19453882
>aside from the burn
I almost miss it, is that weird? Those analogs finally taught me how to rail water because the pain was just like too freaking much with that shit.

>>19453903
I love the analogues. I had a chemist in canada for a while who had everything except for B... I named my cat after him because I found my kitten in an abandoned building's basement while on a particularly high dose of the man's product. Least I could do haha.

5-meo-amt? the only meo i got 'hold of was -mipt. That's another distinctly "purple" one. I stacked a pretty obscene amount of liquid L on top of it so it's hard to say what its effects were, though

>>19453915
>I almost miss it, is that weird?

Not really. I mean...I love the taste of DMT.

But I think we should stop the drug talk before we all get baleeted.

Has anyone in this thread done self initiation? If so, into what or what practice?

>>19453917
I self initiated following Franz Bardon's guide. It's pure gold.

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ALL HAIL BELETH.

BEST GOETIC SPIRIT OF HIS KIND!

>>19453926
>I self initiated following Franz Bardon's guide. It's pure gold.

Useless.

Anyone else?

>>19453968
i self initatied using Crowley magic in theory and practice

>>19453972
Where does he provide initiatory rites in M:TP? What'd you get, the redacted director's cut?

>>19453917
Not sure if this counts, but I'm working the Voudon Gnostic Workbook by Michael Bertiaux

>>19453972
Not possible.

>>19453968
Read "ThROA", "John St. John", and "Pyramidos" in that order. It shows how Crowley went from a temple initiation with officers to a self-initiatory rite in which you evoke/project/assume the role of initiating officers.

This sort of reduction can be run on many other rites.

>>19453984
>Not possible.

oh sorry i didnt know that. should i turn myself in to the police?

>>19453984
>Read "ThROA", "John St. John", and "Pyramidos" in that order. It shows how Crowley went from a temple initiation with officers to a self-initiatory rite in which you evoke/project/assume the role of initiating officers.

Thx

>>19453984
>>19454006
Would this be categorized as a self initiation into A.'.A.'. or some kind of universal self initiation?

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>>19453647
Thank you very much, I started to study this subject and with all this information I have it, maybe some advice? ..

>>19453755
Thanks for the info .

>>19453930
>ALL HAIL BELETH.
I'm not sure you're supposed to worship them. They probably get off on that, but it might make things difficult.

>>19454083
I thought that too.Turns out it's not a terrible idea to build shrines to them. Ever since I added shrines and offerings to my spirit discourse, things have gotten better and easier RE: contacting them. And i'm not just talking about Lemegeton.

>>19454050
It's the GD initiation and not really specific to the order as it's based on the formula of spell 125 of Coming Forth by Day. The Cultus Sabbati has a more specific initiator and current, but even then the formula and intent is 'mostly' the same.

>>19454105
That's a given in anything but it doesn't make it a good idea on the whole. Local and personal spirits are worthy of praise, but you really have to know what you're working with.

>>19454121
I think there's a fine line between "worship" as displayed by building shrines and making offerings, and "worship" displayed by subjugating oneself and considering the entity your "shepherd" as we see in Christianity, et al.

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>>19453647

>>19453856
I agree. Crowley was, at a time, a great magician. However, due to ego, and possibly a number of STDs, he started the Thelemic "tradition". He knows his shit, but he twists the message.

>>19454145
>>>19453989
Are you just gonna shitpost this everywhere until someone responds in a manner that suits you?

>>19454145
>However, due to ego, and possibly a number of STDs, he started the Thelemic "tradition". He knows his shit, but he twists the message.

Maybe you just aren't reading it properly :^)

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>>19454128
It's a fine line that's easy to cross. They're more like a business partner than a friend and assuming they are anything human is unwise. You're dealing with the Wild and the Wild is smarter than you think.

>>19454160
This is funny. I had a conversation very much like this one with Ape, except I was you and Ape was me, and I didn't talk to him like it was his first rodeo.

>>19453681
>Nigga, I haven't even been around the internet for like the past 3-4 threads and this took me like fifteen seconds.
In that case OP could have done it but was lazy and sloppy, not the first time its happened, we need a better quality of OP, maybe a trip like you, they usually remember to do so.

On an unrelated note: how come when I brought up politics in a thread in February and anons/trips got annoyed at me (even though I just read something about right/left in regard people into the occult to a study from the 60s compared to today) but the last two threads have had non-stop discussion - did I come to OMG too early or what?

>>19454148
it isn't me actually, just saw it in another thread and I knew their were so crowly fans here, thought they might like to defend him or something.

>>19454167
>Implying I'm not OP
>Implying a name is a trip
>Implying Ape linked every thread to the one before it
>Talking this much shit
>after how long the board went without an /omg/ thread

This will have been the sixth thread I have made. you?

>>19454172
Well, thanks for warning us that you're just assposting. You probably didn't need to actually say it, but the reassurance is reassuring.

>>19454175
>This will have been the sixth thread I have made
I mean, just since Ape stepped back.

>>19454165
It always bears repeating. You know what you're dealing with, but we forget sometimes. Shrine becomes altar and everything goes sideways. You know what you're doing, but the refrain is always there.

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>>19454175
>>after how long the board went without an /omg/ thread
I haven't visited x in like 2/3months sorry I didnt know stuff I couldnt possibly have known and yes generally Ape would link the last thread to the current one, sometimes the last 2 threads sometimes, so there is that, sorry I triggered you or something.
>you?
I don't make threads. But if I did I wouldn't half arse them, i'd include a link to the previous thread if I could locate it.
If your this salty over nothing then please don't continue this conversation.

>>19454183
I hear ya. I'm mostly just hangry. At 5'8'' and 127 lbs ya don't have much energy stored up.

>>19454194
Well it's good to know what you *would* do, *if only.* There's always teaching, if your current income source doesn't work out.

>>19454195
Eat. Or drink, it's more efficient of you pay out for the good shit with twice the alcohol and all the nutrients. Being in an unfavorable position is when spirits get you by the balls and that's no good. It's also why I rarely fuck with spirits at this point. I don't need chaos fucking with my order.

>>19454206
Right now, at least. It's some shitty order.

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>>19454198
I have no interest in making an omg thread - I just browse and ask or answer questions that I want to, sorry I upset you OP but next time you make a thread do try and remember it.

>Expecting structure on a Cambodian Coupon Clipboard.

Squabblers gonna squabble.
None of this belongs to anybody.

>>19454213
All things are my property, I merely have yet to gain power over them.

>>19454212
>ignoring the autistic elephant in the room this shamelessly

>>19454217
Squatters rights!

>>19454217
You're not gonna gain power by telling OTHER people what to do. You have to be in power in the first place to gain anything from that.

>>19454220
>>ignoring the autistic elephant in the room this shamelessly>what if your autist and it does go completely over you head?
What then anon?
Wait was it those that can do, those that cant teach?
Just make a Asperger insult and be done with it.

>>19454220
What that the last thread was a reflection of the coming tides and doesn't bear repeating because it was a garbage thread full of politics and postpostironic trolling?

>>19454225
>responding to stirner memes
>Responding to my stirner memes
>(Me)

>>19454233
>Asperger?
>I prefer Hotdog Dick!

Fin.

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>>19454238
>>I prefer Hotdog Dick!
Whatever you do in private is your own business anon, sorry I triggered you by telling you off for starting a thread poorly!

>>19454175
I am a colossal fag.

if only the lords of initiation would drop their Amrita down my throat, fucking me sweetly in the mouth with the force and fire of the current 93

>>19454295
Even *I* can forge my poetic language better than that!

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>>19454329
>>19454295
I hope so, this has been an impersonation for educational purposes only

Nice "general". Could you guys act any gayer?

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>>19454379
You have no idea

Is this an actual thing that anyone here has seen with their own eyes and can confirm as not being trickery? *SEEMS* pretty convincing, but I have never met such a person:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYVdhKVb9WE

>>19454379
its been going downhill since it started =one day it'll be nothing but shitposts, memes, baits, with no actual magical content at all

>>19454459
What magic(k) do you wanna discuss, anon?

so magic is basicly geometry and colours while orgasming?

>>19454477
It's the Science and Art of causing change in accordance with Will.

>>19454485
It's the transmutability of the Quintessence of all Nature in accordance with Will, Desire and Belief.

>>19454459
>>19454409
>>19454379

If I'm reading you correctly, you're saying these threads are just a gigantic shitpost? With all your "wizardry" you couldn't construct a way to make your own club? Maybe take your metaphysiologisophical™©® bullshit and GTFO /x/?

>>19454528
>If I'm reading you correctly,
See, you qualify with *if* but then go on to assume you *are* reading correctly.

>>19454528
If you want academic discussion of shit you can't just google and find an answer for, you're in the right place. Anything else doesn't really belong because at least academic based in established practices bullshit has sources. Lukewarm IQs who can't even do their own preliminary research to ask the right questions get out, reee.

>>19454477
it's essentially a larping circlejerk.

>>19454556
>See, you qualify with...

Sorry guys, I didn't know it was this bad. Good luck with your stuff.

>>19454572
So "if i'm reading this correctly" was really just a meaningless comment you inserted to make it appear as though you weren't already convinced in your own assumption? I shiggy.

Is anyone here aware of ritual or traditions that have a bath preparation involving the Elixir being mixed in the bathwater?

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>>19454690
Ebony Anpu has a version of this idea in one of his initiation rituals
>>19454435
Qi Gong stuff is full of charlatanism. I would be very skeptical unless someone was actually demonstrating the essential nature of the practices themselves

>>19454749
Interesting. A version occurred to me that involves production of the elixir in the ritual bath in such a manner that it transfers from vessel to water without hitting air. And was duly executed.

A Vedic reading told me my deity is Ahirbudhnya Saṃhita; does anyone have advice on where to go from here?

>>19454894
>Ahirbudhnya Saṃhita
You mean Ahirbudnya; "samhita" means "codex".

I have an intro to that Tantra in my Vaishnav folder.

>ywn read Lakshmi Samhita

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Are you ready, gang?

It's gonna be a hell of a week next week

>>19454435
As the other replyer stated, there is a world of charlatans, but there are also people with great skill but they're hard to find. Thailand has a pretty uninterrupted study of these things (unlike China, for example) so there are good practitioners there.

I've only experienced qigong in martial arts contexts. The linked video seems an extension of the electric current of chi (as there are electric and magnetic).

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>>19455023
Barely.
I'm going to prep my blood acre more in the morning and finish doing transcriptions over the weekend, methinks.

>>19454749
>Qi Gong stuff is full of charlatanism.
You're just jealous of the dude's siddhis because you're a loser who will never have that kind of spiritual power.

>>19455026
Thanks. I've always been disinclined to trust anyone displaying their "skill" and even more so of those who speak of being too humble to display their skill.

>>19455030
Hey, Ape. I have consumed about 16 grams of kratom 15x resin over the past like, several hours. For ritual purposes, of course. I should be OK right?

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>>19455030
I'm working on my ritual script now. I'm splitting two parts, each with its own circle
1. opening the way for Rahu

2. slaying of the Scape goat

gonna keep it short and sweet
>>19455032
I've met several Qi Gong practitioners with strange abilities, including one who was effectively exiled from his home country and came to America under mysterious circumstances to set up a dojo. I'm pretty sure he was energy farming his students

doesn't change the fact that a lot of them are charlatans. That paper trick is easily accomplished with some slight of hand.

>>19455023
I'm literally so excited it is about to be [the exact opposite of] lit pham

>>19455042
That sounds excessive anon.

>>19455089
I'll report back to let ya know whether I wake up tomorrow, if not it will be an unfortunate victory for anti-kratom legislators.

>>19455100
"They calculated the 50% lethal dose (LD50) of these extracts, which were 4.90 g/kg for the methanol and 173.20 mg/kg for the alkaloidal."

>>19455125
Well I have no idea which I have but we'll hope it's the methanol.

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>>19455171
Hope you got a bottle of pic related lying around.

For real tho if you feel shitty call first response.

>>19455177
Thanks dude. My girllady has some for her job and she keeps it on her, and she's about a half hour away. i'm one of the resident former-junkies, but don't have any tolerance at all. Here's to relying on my innate junkie super-powers.

>>19455171
>Well I have no idea which I have but we'll hope it's the methanol.

Just a PSA anon, you can stop an opiate OD with Narcan, which you can buy over the counter in some states, or get for free through harm reduction services in others. So if you do this kind of stupid shit on the reg you might get some to keep on hand.

>>19455189

So when I was at the Cemetery last night, I saw a large marker for a family plot, and it had the masonic square/compass/G, but then what I assumed at first was a symbol of the Eastern Star to represent female family members, actually turned out to be an inverted pentagram. Is anyone familiar with the averse pentagram being used in the context of Masonry or Eastern Star tradition? Did the engraver just fuck up? What's going on here?

>>19455189
>>19455177
well I clearly didn't refresh before posting>>19455207


Additional naloxone related PSA - do not take moar durgz after Naloxone because the shit'll wear off and unbind from your opiate receptors and you will probs just OD again. This has been a PSA.

>>19455215
P.S.A.P.S. - Even if you don't do more drugs, if you did enough to overdose you may have done enough to kill you when the narcan wears off, so your supposed to get to the hospital. Or this is a myth to make junkies even less independent. Not that they need help in that direction as it is.

>>19455221
>>>19455177
*you're
Hurrrr

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>>19455211
>Eastern Star tradition
They didn't screw it up.
Pic related.
>FATAL
First
Among
Ten-Thousand
Altogether
Lovely

>>19455225
Dunno why that tagged Ape's post. I can imagine the call though "yeah, hi, I think I ODed on Kratom at work. Yeah, I'm the only one here don't let me die!"

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>>19455211
The averse pentagram is the symbol for eastern star.

>>19455221
My narcan training sort of omitted this step because it was oriented around letting drug users avoid cops but it is a very good idea to go to a hospital. Narcan wears off in...30 min? I want to say?

>>19455221
Kratom's alkaloids metabolize too fast. The half-life can be as short as 2 hours but usually 4 unless you've got a thing going on in your body (expectancy tolerance, actual tolerance, metabolism boosters, etc.)

>>19455226
Hmm OK thanks mang. I thought it was weird because it was just a plain pentagram, and I thoguht I had seen E.S. represented elsewhere with an upright pent. but with symbols n sheeit in it.

>>19455226
>>19455236

grrrr got me again. Time to turn on autorefresh I guess

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>>19455211
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Eastern_Star

The sort of esoteric aspect is that Esther is ritually considered as manifest Shekinah thus the inverted pentagram.

>>19455226
>>19455236
>Eastern star mind

Esther is a good read as far as proto apocalyptic texts go

>>19455237
>expectancy tolerance
Is this the one where certain thoughts, images, settings, etc. can impact your tolerance in a given moment?

>>19455259
Yup.
If someone rolls up on you with a compound that has to go through first pass metabolism and you eat it right then and there it'll be MARGINALLY more potent than if you're prepping for the drug for an hour plus as you body will dump cytochrome p450 as lube for the self abuse you're about to engage in.

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>>19455257
>tfw no paramasonic Nuwaubian WE WUZ gf

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>>19455279
>Prince Hall Freemasonry

That's quite the rabbit hole right there

>>19455301
Prince Hall isn't paramasonic tho.
It's recognized by regular Masonic jurisdiction.

>>19455301
WE WUZ WIDOW'S SONS AN SHEEIT

>>19455309
Haha I didn't mean for the racist entendre, but there it is.

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>>19455306
Technically not all of them, a few are considered "irregular" by the Grand Lodge, not that that means that much anymore

>you will never join a black Masonic biker gang

>>19455324
Whoah in my universe that guy is named Nelson Mandela. This is clear evidence of the Boris Gardiner Effect.

>>19455324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdIqbv7SPo

>>19455328
Where did you find this tshirt with my dream man on it

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>>19455353
your dream man is a one armed freemasonic Papa Legba?

>>19455345
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MCHI23FTP8

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>>19455328
>tfw the College of Rites and/or the Grand Orient of France will never charter a Rite of Memphis & Mizraim body again.

>>19455379
What's up with the Masons being so anal aout their copyright on who can call Masonic teachings "Masonic"? For a bunch of supposedly "glorified golf club" guys, they are are sensitive about controlling the term "Masonry."

>>19455376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHowqKYSXNI

As a beginner, I've been looking for and gravitating to books written like a study guide or a course (also easy to understand). I'm midway through Modern Magick and picked up Liber Null as well. I guess my question is how do you go about; as a beginner; not reading a bunch of shit at the same time? How do you reconcile overlapping or overarching information from various sources? Also, I haven't heard/read anyone's thoughts on Modern Magick - I like it so far but in your learned opinion, is there something else I should be trading instead? Keeping in mind I prefer plain English that won't bore me to tears. Thanks guys!

When you overflow with negative energy, and you can't raise your vibrations up, is there any use/art you could put this negative energy in?

>>19455370
...maybe. Look don't kinkshame me

>>19455379
>Rite of Memphis & Mizraim

>Noone will ever refer to you as the "Patriarch of the Planispheres"

>>19455391
>glorified golf club

It didn't used to be that way. They are still a secret society and are very serious about keeping those secrets.

>>19455391
I ask this because i've had several average-joe Masons sperg out on me for referring to pre-Crowley-as-OHO-OTO as "Masonic," which I'm pretty sure the charters are still in existence to prove, but I was just kinda shocked. I don't even see Christians calling other denominations "unchristian" where I come from.

>>19455415
>we wuz more than a golf club

>>19455415
I know it's not necessarily that way, but I keep hearing it explained that way by Masons themselves, which is rather odd.

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>>19455423
>We wuz founders n sheet
>>19455424
Dianetics is just the science of the Mind man. Now hold still while I administer this E reading

>>19455440
>we wuz founders n sheet
exacfly how gumbo wasserman sounded in that national press club speech ape posted the other day

>>19455440
Imagine what could have happened if George Washington hadn't been assassinated and got to finish his single term.

>>19455418
>Masons sperg out on me for referring to pre-Crowley-as-OHO-OTO as "Masonic," which I'm pretty sure the charters are still in existence to prove
It's not UGLE, it's GOdF; Anglosphere Freemasonry does not recognize essentially the rest of Europe.

That charter is only "valid" in South America, Continental Europe, and patches of Eastern Europe/Russia.

>>19455391
The massive amount of Work it takes to rewrite the rituals when they get leaked, something the OTO refuses to do.

>>19455440
>Squeeze my cans

>>19455408
I go on the deep web and take it out on my penis.

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>>19455444
>Gumbo Wassermann
>>19455446
fuck you for making me question my sanity
>>19455456
>something the OTO refuses to do

Then it is up to someone who is willing to do it. I feel like Ebony left a pretty good blueprint

>>19455471
I'd REALLY like to look at the HOOR and SOTO scripts.

>>19455473
>SOTO
Motta's thing right? What's HOOR?

RESH

>Rites of Mizram

http://oadriax.net/FTP/Memphis-Misraim%20Library/mizraim2.pdf

http://oadriax.net/FTP/Memphis-Misraim%20Library/yarker_memphis.pdf

If you ask a contemporary freemason they'd say that everything in these documents is an elaborate forgery, and to be fair they made a lot of insane claims:
http://oadriax.net/FTP/Memphis-Misraim%20Library/yarker_histmemphis.pdf

>>19455516
thanks for the reminder anon

There a spirit that I'm pretty sure is helping me. How do I contact him/her? Do some spirits just help you for no reason?

>>19455479
Eals' Holy Order of Ra Hoor Khuit

>>19455526
Those aren't scripts they're synopses, and weak ones at that, from which the Yarker reductions come (and Crowley's transmission).

You can see the real rituals in my Collecteana volumes in the Freemasonry folder.

Is the IOT still around?
I'm in the area and wondering if I can find any members.

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>>19455537
>yet another Thelemic splinter group
How wonderful it would be for Thelema as a religion if someone conducted scholarly research on their rites. Too bad the powers that be care more about the past than the future.

What are your thoughts on the Temple of Babalon? It seems kind of like a cult but the concept of Ophidian Thelema is intriguing

http://templeofbabalon.com/babalon.asp
>>19455544
>Freemasonry folder

got it.

http://oadriax.net/FTP/Memphis-Misraim%20Library/waite.pdf

Check out the Seed of Life/Rosy Cross symbol on page two

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>>19455568
>Temple of Babalon

Nevermind. Their Resh mudras are interesting but the lady who runs it is on some "I alone can fix it" shit. Kali Yuga is such a bitch

http://www.templeofbabalon.com/texts/philosophy_5_reshwithmudras.asp

Lads I've noticed something.
I get scenarios pop into my head concerning myself or people I know, then they actually happen.
Within the past two years, this has happened increasingly.
I don't get to choose what the said scenario is, it's like a random daydream that my head generates; but eventually it comes true (provided that it 'decides' to keep popping up in my thoughts). Please note that this sometimes concerns people I haven't heard from or contacted in years.

Am I able to see into the future, or is this some sort of involuntary reality manipulation?

Manly Hall is a hack, right? I've heard a few hours of his ramblings and read two books of his and I can't shake the feeling that he's full of shit/bullshitting. What say you?

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I made a thing.

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Anyone into Frater Xavier? I think his Mystery School is solid work. Not often mentioned here yay/nay.

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That is a really wordy way of saying what it says. If it weren't for the hardcore kabbalah down the road, I'd call bullshit.

This really needs to be renamed teletubby general.

>>19453829
So Jesus is Welsh?

>>19456452
About 5 threads ago you faggots were bitching about us talking about Eastern Tantric traditions.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj4nJ1YEAp4

>>19456746
Every tripfag worships here any scatological trash that take came out of Crowley. Hence, the proper name for these thread is /thelema general/.

>>19456904
>Every tripfag worships here any scatological trash that take came out of Crowley.
(citation needed)

>>19456598
nah he's new zealander

>>19456908
I am the visible object of worship; the others are secret; for the Beast & his Bride are they: and for the winners of the Ordeal x. What is this? Thou shalt know.

There's the Sabbatick Dream I've been waiting for.

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>>19456904
>Every tripfag worships here any scatological trash that take came out of Crowley.
shit eaters BTFO

>>19457421
I dreamt I met with you while you were on a pilgrimage, except you're not that young, blond or affable irl.

>>19457627
No homo.

>>19455402
>how do you go about; as a beginner; not reading a bunch of shit at the same time?

Eventually, you have to stop reading and get to work. For now, probably best to keep reading.

>How do you reconcile overlapping or overarching information from various sources?

Keep studying. Either the author is striking out on their own or following someone else. Learn to tell one from the other and decide wch you trust.

>Also, I haven't heard/read anyone's thoughts on Modern Magick - I like it so far but in your learned opinion, is there something else I should be trading instead?

Probably fine for now, but eventually you'll want something more substantial. Personally, I thought DMK was a joke.

>>19455733

Seems like a hack.

>>19457749
>Eventually, you have to stop reading and get to work.
Not that anon, but I see people say this a lot, and my question is, why? Why not start on work and continue to read, so your alway's reading the next thing that's just out of your grasp? That's what I have been doing with much success. I feel like, as long as we don't forget the DOING, the reading is *almost* equally important.

>>19457801
*you're

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>>19457421
After i did that hanged man thing with the rope I had a dream I was quartered and suspended in the air by ...demons? Ayyy lmaos? and wrapped bodily in rope. The rope work was super fine and intricate, almost like wire, and was tied so that a grimoir verum symbol of lucifer was criss crossing my pelvis. I woke up like "huh."

>>19457801

I don't think he's suggesting you never pick up a book again once you start actually practicing haha. Continuing to fill yourself with information is still good, but not as a substitute for a practice, as you say.

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>>19457810

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVIA1n5ng4Y

What folder do yall recommend to gain a better understanding of the basic nature of the mundane worlds from an occult perspective?

>>19453647
Make a post but was told it would better fit here:
Does anyone have any books or videos on Hermetic transmutation or transformation? Either mental or physical are good.

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>>19458081
>videos

>>19458089
Holy fucking Kek!

>>19458079
What does that even mean?

>>19458081
Alchemy and Sex Magick folders.

>>19455732
are you finnish? finns have a long history of some dark bloodline, having been known to the scandinavians as evil warlocks who would cause the seas to storm when vikings came to raid. finns are known to have in the modern day an odd penchant for random foresight, often mundane or deja-vu like. I am only 12% finn and i have had this happen around 5 times in the past 2 years

Does anyone here know if Ether can cause withdrawal after extended use?

>>19458164
Probably.

>>19458142
Nope, I'm half-english and half-Caribbean.
English side had Cunning Folk in the line.

I've never heard much about the Finns in this regard, thanks for sharing.

>>19458166
That explains a lot.

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How many telepathic intergalactic conversations have you had /omg/?

>>19458183
>half carribe
You've probably got some kongo sorcerer in there.

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>>19458183
>>19458142

Finns are not Lapps.

The vikings made pacts with Lappish sorcerers also known as "Lapland Witches", even Crowley mentions "Lapland Witches" in Liber 51.

While most Finns have Lapp blood in them, even Finnish national epics like the Kalevala regard the Lapp sorcerers as "evil" and opposing forces to the proper Finnish people like the Carelians and their more "Heroic" sages like Väinämöinen etc. In Kalevala the quest for "grail" or (Sampo) in their epic ends up in a fight against the Witch of the North.

Lapps are not Finns.

>>19458192
I've never heard anything about anyone practicing anything from that side of the family, and both sides are pretty open about these things.
My Great-Grandmother on the English side practiced divination (at least that what I know from two people that knew her separately).
Regardless of who did what, do you think it's spontaneous divination, or reality manipulation?

>>19458211
>do you think it's spontaneous divination, or reality manipulation?
Is there really any difference?

>>19458217
That's a fair point I suppose, I always thought being able to see a potential and actively influencing towards a potential as two entirely separate things.
Perhaps I have strong visualization skills, but that doesn't explain /why/ I'm able to do this through no conscious effort of my part.

>>19458210
>210
>Night Hag Visiting the Lapland Witches

"Kill the Child, In the Night!"

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Bump.

>>19458222
It sounds like divination, but there's a lot of argument over whether divination is seeing a future event or limiting the possibilities of a future event. There's also a lot of argument of what the difference is, if there is on, but that rests on differing fundamental assumptions of the kind that cause religious schisms from being so banal and useless from the perspective of practice.

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>>19458126
I think he's asking what he needs to read for magical theory rather than practice

>>19457801
The reading is 1/10ths as important as the work.

Basic bitch exercises that housewifes read from new age magazines will get you a lot further than studying Kabbalah all day but practicing little.

>>19458234
I see, as this seem to be passive for me; I'll keep track of any persistent thoughts and see how they turn out.
Maybe it's best not to think about it too much after all; thank you for the insight you've shared.

>>19458242
You're new.

>>19458245
>Basic bitch exercises that housewifes read from new age magazines will get you a lot further than studying Kabbalah all day but practicing little.

Highly debatable, unless we're talking about farther RE: physocal fitness. Allowing this, don't you think studying AND practicing Qabalah all day is going to get you further than studying Qabalah all day? Or JUST practicing Qabalah all day? Because that's the point I was clearly making. I can add 1 to 1 over and over all day, but if i don't start learning some new math to work on in addition to that, my mathematical skills will not improve much. Then again, I never was one to suffer from the curse of the armchair.

>>19458257
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Praxis = theory and practice.
If you skimp on one you're missing out on half the Work.

>>19458259
>>19458257
This whole chain is a clusterfuck. Satyr's original point is that it's better to get the theory down before you practice, I'm assuming because bad practice isn't practice. Past that, do both.

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>>19458210
>>19458228
Back to the topic of the Finns, Lapps etc.

Nordic countries have culturally kept the traces of "Witches Sabbath" in their traditions, unlike most anglo-saxon countries.

For example, Father Christmas, or "Santa Claus" is in both Sweden and Finland known as "The Yule Goat" (Julgubben in Swedish, Joulupukki in Finnish)

Also in Anglo-Saxon countries, the Saint Nicholas is known as "Santa Claus", it is no wonder, that the term "Old Nick" also traditionally refers to the Devil (or Pan, if you will)

There is certain hints to these (Pagan) fertility rites in the Finnish Kalevala. For example, when the sage Väinämöinen is given "strange child" examined that is born out of lady called "Maria" without father (Reference to Christian fable of Christ) Sage Väinämöinen immediately deduces "That such abomination should be killed on spot!"

>>19458274
Stupid beyond belief. There are exercises that every human being should be doing daily for the rest pf their lives that require very little knowledge.

Simply doing asanas and pranayama with nothing else can already be lifechanging.

>>19458353
You're going to need to cite some sources on that. Y'know, have some theory to back it up.

>>19458353
>Simply doing asanas and pranayama with nothing else can already be lifechanging.

Yes yes and I'm sure reading the kybalion is also life changing to some people.

:^)

>>19458360
I mean, people Attain on the 100/108k prostrations just like I'm sure they can on Resh ("Late to watch and early to pray, Brings him across The Abyss, they say. Neglect not the morning meditation").

It's just rare.

>>19455226
>FATAL
Like the rpg? or am i just reading to much into that sign?

>>19458385
I literally gave you the keyword in the post you're replying to.

>>19458383
But we're all heady intellectuals and brute force bhakti doesn't work for our kind or we wouldn't be doing any of this.

>>19458360
>I need sources to confirm that pranayama can greatly affect your life
No, dude. What you need is to practice, not shitpost.

>>19458409
You sound like a christfag with that logic. Did Ape piss off the vaishavs again?

>>19458409
"It is not necessary to understand, it is enough to adore."

>>19458274
>Satyr's original point is that it's better to get the theory down before you practice

Not really. The theory won't make much sense without practice.

People usually read and read a lot. My more important point is that reading is no substitute for practice. Sooner or later, you have to get your feet wet.

>>19458353

Yep.

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>>19458414
Quite the intuition you got there. Now go do actual spiritual labor instead of shitposting.

>>19458399
>But we're all heady intellectuals and brute force bhakti doesn't work for our kind or we wouldn't be doing any of this.

It does on DMT

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>>19458432
>tfw I can't bash that fash because he's dead.

>>19458432
>Now go do actual spiritual labor instead of shitposting.

>tfw my time spent in charity and volunteer work is more spiritual labor than dancing around waving a sword around a candle and a cup of water

>>19458441
Volunteer work and charity is often neglected, by everyone.

>>19458441
Aiding those who are punished by the results of their actions goes directly against Dharma and harms them in the long term.

Let nature take its course and things will turn out better than otherwise.

>>19458439
How will you ever attain liberation with all that pent up rage?

>>19458452
I'M ANGRY, ANGRY ABOUT ENLIGHTENMENT.

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>>19458452
"Now let it be first understood that I am a god of War and of Vengeance. I shall deal hardly with them."
~Liber L vel Legis III:3

>>19458464

What religion do you follow exactly?

I know you've talked about Thelema in previous threads but you are you into different religions now or what?

>>19458540
How long have you been here mate? I've been talking about Kaula/Uttar Kaula Trika since probably before 2012.

>>19458389
Its just that I noticed FATAL in the symbol and thought it might be an allusion to that, that's all.

>>19458547
Words like that are generally acronyms which act as "keys" to unlock the true meaning of the symbol.

>>19458544
Well I've been dipping into out of these threads since I started visiting x about three or four years ago but only seriously started paying attention since the end of last year.

I've noticed you've been talking about eastern religious stuff but thought if I brought that up it might make you think I was trying to start something/stir up stuff and I didn't want you to think that

You've also talked about/complained about your old thelema group/lodge so I sort of knew you weren't part of an group but just thought maybe you still practiced it all solo like..

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>>19458561
My religion is whatever I decide to be that particular hour. Same with political affiliation.

>>19458570
>My religion is whatever I decide to be that particular hour. Same with political affiliation.
Got it.

>>19458540
His religion is a hodge-podge clusterfuck of non-dualist nonsense ranging from jew shit to shaivite guru worship.

I think the Krsnakultists and vaishfags are attacking us because we don't talk about their specific eastern tradition

Also

Krishna sucks.

>>19458596
now anon try and not start stuff- Ape lets us browse his pretty impressive library collection of books for free you know

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My foxpaw got here just in time for the eclipse.

>>19453829
What if I can't into sheep?

>>19458631
Sheep don't concern themselves with the opinions of grass.

>>19458612
....

Can I sell you magicians coyote paws?

>>19458645
You can sell me some bacula. I need a portable wand.

>>19456598
>so jesus is welsh?
Your English aren't you?
Don't get why you call the welsh sheep-shaggers, its not like were like the irish or Scottish - making trouble all the time.

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>>19458657
>tfw no walrus baculum wand

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>>19458661
It's ok, Taffy, I love the Welsh.
The >Eternal >Anglo just gets [triggered] when someone reps true Celtic culture.

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>>19458666
I may need something bigger, but the elemental dignities of a walrus don't suit.

>>19458657
>>19458666
I'll let you guys know the next time I kill something. Seriously its better than dumping the bones in a ditch somewhere.

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>>19458666
>>19458678
What's the elemental attribution of a Corgi? With the Coyote you have the whole trickster angle to work with. Dry out an arm next time you get one and I'll seriously consider it.

>>19458672
The only anglos that care about being considered celtic are the cornish

>>19458694
>Dry out an arm next time you get one and I'll seriously consider it.

Will do, I think the season is in a couple months.

>>19458672
>It's ok, Taffy, I love the Welsh.
That's ok. Didn't imagine that you'd meet many welsh folk in your line of work Ape.
Although apparently Taffy is considered politically incorrect to say now-whereas Jock for Scottish folk isn't, it was in a newspaper report. Funny isn't it?

>>19458701
You have a coyote *season* where you live? maybe I've just always broken the law but where I am they are pests and farmers will sometimes put bounties on them. Year round. Ever eat one? I've always wondered what canine meat tasted like.

>>19458666
>>19458673
>>19458694
Those are penile bones, aren't they???

>>19458711
Around here the county has a bounty for tails, but it isn't year round, far as I know.

>>19458711
>You have a coyote *season* where you live? maybe I've just always broken the law but where I am they are pests and farmers will sometimes put bounties on them. Year round.

I mean yeah....it is like that. Especially if a coyote is fucking with your livestock.

But the legal hunting season has like a 10 bag limit or something, its pretty high. I've never eaten one but I have sold a few pelts.

>>19458709
>Funny isn't it
Jesus god, I didn't mean to conjure quite that hard, I'd not heard.

My connection to Wales is a very VERY long story. Y'all produce good authors. Something about the Celto-linguistic mind I find appealing, I guess.

>>19458718
You'd have known that if you google'd "baculum".

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>>19458256
Nah, I just haven't tripfagged here since, like, 2010.

>>19458735
Your name implies reactionary Vajrayana, yes?

>>19458735
What does 322 mean?

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>>19458726
>My connection to Wales is a very VERY long story. Y'all produce good authors
Dylan Thomas? Dion Fortune? Wrote a book about psychic defence I think, was a member of the Golden Dawn or a splinter group (society of light?) something like that. Arthur Machen? His Bowman story inspired the legend of the Angel of Mons.
>Id not heard
Don't worry about it.

Well, I know this is the wrong thread, but I did some Lemegeton Work a while back in desperation to maintain a place to continue the Work. It looks like I'll be getting a house for no more than utilities, a week before deadline, and nobody died or lost out in order for this to come to pass.

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>>19458752

>>19458752
Is that ol' JimBob?

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>>19458741
Yes, yes it does.

Hey that Kratom didn't kill me yesterday. Got another 2oz o' dat sheit

>>19458766
>It looks like I'll be getting a house for no more than utilities, a week before deadline, and nobody died or lost out in order for this to come to pass.

How many times have you worked the Lemegeton?

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>>19458785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAQsFN64rEQ

>>19458793
>93

Still watch yourself anon. Play it safe.

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>>19458797
That's dank af brah

Reminds me of Altan Urag and Yat-Kha

>>19458766
Sounds good, good for you.

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>>19458803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z80dyTAcFOQ

>>19458795
Just a few. I don't care to evoke just for the hell of it, or when I can just work harder and longer to get something. Why?

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>>19458819
Interesting that you correctly guess at the reactionary Vajrayana thing.

Have we crossed paths before? How did you come to be familiar with this particular idea(l)?

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>>19458819
>>19458803
https://youtu.be/JwEFqT_A8bI

>>19458827
I know Ungern, I've base familiarity with the three major "schools" of Indosiberian shamanism and have deep understandings of other forms of Tantra further south toward civilization (if the Plateau and Kashmir can be considered as such).

The only reason I don't shit on you guys' obscure brand of political ideology is that you cats have the good sense to understand that the Mongol-Tibetan theocratic systems are actually functional.

Solids sources on Tengri are a nightmare to come by. Is the trident on the Ovoo thing full native or inspired by Tibetan exchange?

>>19458824
>Why?

I like to hear about people's successes, and from what I've gathered so far most people take a few times before a successful evocation happens.

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>>19458845
Also:
>tfw no Khatun gf

>>19458850
My very first evocation was one of the most powerful manifestations I have seen so far.

>>19458869
That doesn't seem like the average, be happy.

>>19458872
I am, indeed! My first necromantic operation was just as potent. I don't know why. I DO know that I have been tapped into a very weird and steady stream of gnosis for somewhere around a month and a half now, and the insights and synchronicities possess more and more activation power over my almonds.

>>19458890
>I DO know that I have been tapped into a very weird and steady stream of gnosis for somewhere around a month and a half now

The last 2 months has been pretty interesting

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>>19458900
>interesting
Nice euphemism.

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>>19458845
Maybe this is just my particular brand of esoteritardation speaking, but I tend to be of the belief that the Sky Father is just the Sky Father and any doctrine pertaining to or mythic narrative describing the Sky Father is just speaking of the Sky Father.
The particular regional name "Tengri" doesn't mean much, especially in light of how scant written records are from the region.

As for the trident, as far as I know that's a Tibetan exchange, or more generally a Himalayan motif that made its way further north and east

What in the fuck is reactionary Vajrayana? Someone give me a rundown.

>>19458938
Ungurn thought he could tear down the October Reds using the same principled by which he helped reestablish the Khanate. This implied a "Tengric"-Vajrayana theocratic system replacing the usual Russian imperial system.

He probably coulda carved out a significant hunk of East-South Russia and West China if he didn't get BOLSH'd.

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>>19458938
Neo-monarchist archaeofuturist totalitarian theocratic rule by massive hordes of sky-worshiping horselords led by shady cabals of entrail-reading, communist-sacrificing, wrathful angel-summoning sorcerers.

Om Vajrasattva Hum.

>>19458966
There's an amazing mod for HoI4 where you can play as him in an alternate timeline

>>19458990
I was just reading about that and it sounds fucking great.

>>19458979
That sounds cool, but it's batshit insane and will never happen. Tibet is gooked and Vajrayana will slowly die within the refugee monasteries in the Rockies and NY.

Has anyone else had their death predicted by a spirit while scrying, unprompted? it freaked me out for some time, but I'm beginning to get the inclination it's about as reliable as if a gypsy had run up to me on the street and said the same thing. Thoughts?

Anyone here ever use blue lotus either as a ritual intoxicant, ritual offering, or in any other ritual context? I have heard of lotus described as a narcotic-type aphrodisiac but am wondering how it is in practice?

>>19459083
I actually have, as part of my Isis practice. It's very low key but gets super weird when you steep it for a long period of time, if I recall.

thoughts on this guy and his work?
http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/johnrkingiv

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>>19459038
Eternal truth is eternal truth.

The One Supreme Way is reborn in all ages.

When Buddha Maitreya is reborn that will be the system of governance over the entire world of men.

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Over on monster we're preparing a ritual to the goddess Ammit, to try and bring JUSTICE into the world
(And also monster girls) we have a general idea of what were going to do, but we could use a little help with getting the details down and workes out

>>19459126
>"Refecting"

>>19459143
If i said i was Chinese would you laugh

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Can you guys point me to a guide to make complex sigils? A sigil of sigils that will work constantly, or at least that will work till I need it.

I know is a beginner question, but all I find is kameas and chaos magick sigils... Thinking in making a complex drawing with different sigils, pictoricals or not, and make it public. Somthing like pic related. Will it work? How shoud I charge and "fire" it?

>>19459190
Agrippa is probably what you want. Him and Austin Osman Spare.

>>19459190
>>19459248
Or you could learn Cuneiform and Egyptian glyphs, i guess.

>>19459118
You know thats a slavic symbol right?

>>19459270
So you still haven't realized he's a Mongolian Vajrayana practitioner? A line of Tibetan influence went into Mongolia.

>>19458570
sounds wishy washy and inconsistent so...sounds about right, yeah

>>19459118
Replace Buddha Maitreya with Jesus and you sound like a faggot. Well, you sound like a faggot anyway.

>>19459248
>Agrippa is probably what you want. Him and Austin Osman Spare

Sounds interesting. I would make a "money" sigil with the AO Spare technique, and then make a Aiq Bekar sigil for health, finally put them togheter the most artisticway possible, like a paint, or a stele. How does it sound? And shoud I "charge" one by one, or the paint itself? Is ok to use digital drawing?

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>>19458797
I want that fokken hat right fokken now.

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hngg
http://www.boredpanda.com/crown-shyness-trees-avoid-touching

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>>19459270
You know that the historical Baron von Ungern-Sternberg was a Baltic German Russian right?

>>19459634
hnnng indeed. Even trees are racist.

>>19459467

t. food for hungry ghosts

>>19459634
This reminds me I need to start some bonsais

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>>19459190
>>19459248
Is there a way to use sigils in art without making it obvious?
Like having the composition or gesture of a painting be a sigil? Would that be effective?

>>19459798
>Is there a way to use sigils in art without making it obvious?

Yeah. I've seen graffiti artists do it. I don't know how...I'd assume it starts with being a good artist.

Or make the frame/outline a sigil and the painting inside.