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>>19392812
>reading from a script
>poor hebrew lettering

Fuckin' Gardner.

>>19392812
is the library link not working for anybody else?

>>19392845
Works for me.

>>19392845
werks for me :8DDD

>Read book
>Beelzebub summoning
>cut yourself and beel over a skull
>draw sigil on it
>then imagine the scorched earth
>then call on beelzebub

Why do we even have to imagine things? I mean that doesn't seem to be doing anything, or does it? It means it seems like a silly addon for extra edgyness.

>>19392845
>>19392846
>>19392848
it just keeps loading the wheel for me and keeps looping

>>19392858
*tech support hat* Clear the cache on you browser

>>19392858
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Couple questions:
Is the Kabbalah only useful if you are Christian/Jewish/something within Christianity? Wouldn't it go against Deuteronomy 18:10 (don't use magic, alchemy, etc)

Oh, and what makes chaos magic different from another kind of another kind of magic?

>>19392874
>2017
>not being a Miaphysite or Monothelite Gnostic adopting the Armenian Creed.

Oh, the delicious Orthocuxy tears.

>chaos magic different from another kind of another kind of magic?
It's most common adherents refuse to follow the instructions of the current founders because they're quasi literate? Oh, wait, it's not different at all.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/08/evidence-that-humans-had-farms-30000-years-earlier-than-previously-thought/

>>19392884
Thanks for assuming I'm a Christian in the first place and failing to answer any of my questions

>>19392874
Ignore the religious baggage of kabbalah (qabbalah qbl whatfuckingever dgaf) and treat it as a mind map and mnemonic device. You can build a mythology upon it after you get the basics down.

>>19392899
>assuming I'm a Christian
>implying implications I did not imply

>failing to answer any of my questions
On the second point I absolutely did.
On the first, New Covenant, and/or failure to apprehend Hebrew and Canaanite mysticism. God is literally Nothing (No-Thing). Personification is reified abstraction. Revolt from God and get crushed. Submit to God and...get crushed. tl;dr, you don't HAVE TO BE, but it helps to be a Rosicrucian or an Indic mystic.

https://aeon.co/amp/essays/what-the-ctenophore-says-about-the-evolution-of-intelligence

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How do I enter miracle magic ?

>>19392930
>miracle magic
?

What did he mean by this?

>>19392942
Well
Magic
That would bring about miracles
?

>>19392945
https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Miracle

>>19392870
nevermind, it fixed itself

thank u /omg/ customer service helpline. have a nice day

>>19392919
this is fascinating. It makes sense- same conditions, same base materials, why wouldn't you be able to concurrently evolve the same functions. I've always hated the single origin idea...I hate it when people apply it to language too it's just stupid.

>>19392887

Ayep.

Tree farming is likely much older than we imagine. Hickory nuts, to take a local example, are just so exploitable. You'd have to be kinda stupid not to realize that promoting their growth was to your advantage.

I know I already asked this but please, can someone mentor me in magick?

>>19393097
Literally every single one of those books is complete and total dogshit

>>19393096
Start here..
>>19383423
>>19383430
>>19383440
>>19383445

>>19393097
Cottage Witchcraft from a lonely village by the river of 50 inhabitants is going to be more accurate than your hermeticism.

>>19393102
thank you!!

>>19393097
>"Everything is trash, including the people who created the systems, so you should only read the two people who mangled the systems the hardest!"

Fuck off smilefag.

https://www.youtube.com/user/FringeWizard/playlists
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/smiley-and-fringechan.4428/

>>19392849
Probably has something to do with demons being psychic or somesuch thing. I don't know.

Isn't Beelzebub just a mocking name for Baal?

>>19393113
>there is no time to waste in the smiling smiles of falsehood

>t. Sri Haranath

>>19393116
There was a thing by how the name was written, written in a certian way it was: Lord of the high place or something, while written in other way it was lord of the flies.

In any case I believe imagining things isn't doing magic, robert bruce had it more right with his tactile way to do things.

What is the end goal of the theletubby? What would you consider success at the end of your life? Serious question.

>>19393120
Undifferentiated knowledge

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>>19392920
>no magic for educational purposes
>requiring potions to transform
I've posted this before, but so have you.
>>19393103
Yeah, I'll be honest, I'm far more interested in the magic employed by the old Cunning Folk than I am in Hermeticists.

>>19393120
Accomplishment of the Great Work

>end of your life
>implying it ever ends

I realize this is a general because I follow them as often as possible, however...

This question is for the Ape of Thoth:
Have you ever written, or do you ever intend to write a book, or compose a document, or otherwise release something to be read publicly from your own interpretations?

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>>19393120
>What would you consider success at the end of your life?
Not dying of a weak constitution in a soviet prison at fifty for tax evasion?

>>19393097
How can anyone be this much of a bluepilled normie?

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>>19393127
My first widely published comment on magick and occultism is due out in early 2018 (which I need to get my ass together on, but I got a couple weeks of nothing but ZHA prep on my schedule).

>>19393125
What is the Great Work in simple, non-cryptic term?

>>19393130
What would my question get such an emotional response?

>>19392812
u can turn it into whatever ud like lil baby! :D

>>19393133
Thanks for the reply among other things.
I'm looking forward to it.

>>19393135
The Great Work in the present age is the accomplishment of individual Will through conscious self development. There are many more arcana associated with this idea but they are very "cryptic" as you say

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Does anyone here have any experience with Elubatel? I have been trying to do the Chant for Success from the well-known book about New Avatar Power several times. While I don't feel sensations from anything it seems, something might be happening more long-term.

>>19393135
>What is the Great Work in simple, non-cryptic term?
Remaking yourself nearer to the hearts desire.

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>>19392920
Rate mine.

>>19393165
Hows that hibiki and which one is it?

>>19393165
>the six year seventy dollar Hibiki
pleb/10

>>19393171
>>19393177
>the six year seventy dollar kind

>>19393171
it's the blended with no year on it. The flavor is excellent, but it's mild to the point of being non-existent. Would recommend at least the 12 year. I prefer the Yamazaki but hipsters have driven up the price and the quality went to shit in response to demand.

>>19393177
They were out of the good shit so I went slumming.

>>19393165
disappointed upon zoom-in to see hibiki, not sake, so 4/10 for evoking a negative emotional experience

>>19393182
>>19393183
I wanna try jap whisky but for the price of a bottle at the prices it's going for here, I can get several bottles of Lagavulin 16

>>19393183
I shittin' ya mate. I'm perfectly happy yanking the pouch out of a seven dollar wine box and darning it straight into my mouth.

I WILL agree with your rundown on the cheap Hibiki tho.

I should hunt down some nice mezcal soon.

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>>19393182
Hey Ape, have you seen Spirit Science's videos? And if so, what do you think about them, do they get things right?

>pic because I like doggos

>>19393191
>I'm perfectly happy yanking the pouch out of a seven dollar wine box and darning it straight into my mouth.
t. native american

>>19393192
Those were really cheesy. The guy who made them is now a mainline christian apparently.

>>19393191
>seven dollar wine box and darning it straight into my mouth
slap the bag my dude

>mezcal
still fucking triggered by the mega bike wreck that that freaking cactus contributed to. My consciousness still just does not work as well, 3 years later.

>>19393192
Here watch the main dude denounce it in favor of christianity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi3lf3rU_z8

>>19393190
A yamazaki 18 is a religious experience and worth it, also often cheaper than scotch unless you live in scotland. I stick to virginia whisky as that 7 year old VA Highland tastes like a 12 year old single malt (mostly because it's made from scottish malt) for 2/3rds of the price.

>>19393191
Nothing wrong with cheap wine. It's cheap beer that you should be shot for. Shame the cheap Hibiki is so mild, the flavor is excellent.

>>19393200
yáʼátʼééh motherfucker

>>19393192
Garbage.

>>19393208
Ya-hey, motherfuker.

>>19393206
>>19393202
>>19393208
I saw a video about Atlantiss, they talked about Thoth and ascended masters that came from Atlantiss, which was destroyed by Martians, also they said that Hebrews were futuristic humans that went to Atlantiss
They also said that humans can get to different and higher levels of consciousness and even get to immortality.

This is not to state things, but I really want to get the things that might be true about this story, and since I'm not too educated on the topic I want your opinion.

Is it really all of that fake?

>>19393227
>get the things that might be true about this story
Literally none of it.

>>19393227
It's a poorly understood mytho poetic metaphor

Even Kenneth Grant at his most deranged expounded on those mysteries in a much more coherent and developed way

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>>19393191
So what powers do you even have studying all of this? Your life is literally like any other fags life in terms of how much influence and power you have. And you're still a powerless not above average attractive poorfag, meanwhile people without "occult powers" aren't.

What can you actually do?

>>19393233
He at least had the common decency to slap a disclaimer saying "All this space alien shit is metaphorical" for his first six books.

>>19393235
>im going to project my personal hesitations by shitting on actual occultists

And people wonder why we still keep secrets.

>>19393235
>studying all this
>replying to a post about chugging boxed wine

he has the power to get fucking lit on the cheap that's for sure

>>19393237
Until he got lost in the sauce. Reading Outside the Circle of time is a frustrating experience. I've never seen so much alternating genius and delusion on a single page

>>19393235
>What can you actually do?
He can shitpost an average of 4 hours a day. Even Hanz would be jealous.

how to summen lucifer?

>>19393245
Tripfag flamers are the lowest of low on 4chan.

>>19393165
I will stick with what I like: Kraken and Kahlua in my coffee.

>>19393256
Most are unemployed, I don't know how ape does it.

>>19393244
>I've never seen so much alternating genius and delusion on a single page
You see the exact same thing in Motta, save the paranoia's not projected outward but inward. It's quite a thing to behold.

>>19393239
But even things he didn't kept secret didn't work or had any impact on reality.

>>19393245
I can shitpost 10 hours every day on 4chan because I make easy money online without any occult magic powers. Just makes me wonder why he studies all of this, just roleplay?

>>19393261
It's called "most of those four hours a day are me writing for my graduate degree in the mechanics of the deep state and taking a shitpost break between paragraphs/edits before my fucking eyes start to bleed"

After reading though a lot of the library, I'm a bit stuck..

Is every bit of magick, be it Jewish, Ancient Greek, or Norse, tied in with each other. If I perform a LBR, wouldn't that make me only conscious of Christian angels?

>>19393266
>just roleplay?
No. CS is 100% roleplay but I think he does some non-roleplay stuff as well.

>>19393266
how to make easy money online?

>>19393272
>If I perform a LBR, wouldn't that make me only conscious of Christian angels?
Probably.

>>19393277
So then what's a more general ritual?

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>>19393244
>44
>Meher Baba
>maunam

Yeah ok I see you Kenneth

>>19393288
"The Universe is the Practical Joke of the General at the Expense of the Particular"
~Perdurabo

Danni summon 2 entities and make them fight?

Or have another person summon in the same room and then make them battle?

>>19393297
Oh his Hebrew is Abysmal.
Oh if he only had access to Fountain of Wisdom and Hekhalot Rabbati, remembered Sefer Yetzirah, and a few others to see where Achad and Crowley lifted the concept.

>>19393303
>I may have taken a leaf out of Achads book when it comes to suspect qabalah

He took way more than a leaf. We are very fortunate to live in age where actual Kabbalists are on the internet and people like DCS exist

>>19393297
Where is he getting 44=blood/water-Aquarius

His conflation with ma'at to mut is cool but also prickles my Egyptian godform understanding

>>19393338
Also mfw my Aquarius ass has a giant wooden chest with 44 metalforged into the clasps as an altar.

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>>19393338
As Ape says this should probably be taken with a heaping dose of salt.

>>19393352
Literally no part of this makes sense to me. Why is Daleth lamed yod Aquarius? Why is Aquarius water? Does this mean I get to be in his special oracular classification even though he dismissed air and fire signs as being unsuited for the practice

>>19393366
"Outside" is the point at which it became clear something had gone Very Wrong for Kenny.

Ever read Ninth Arch? He does a whole genealogy tying him to a family in a Lovecraft story and seems to have taken Against the Light as an autobiographical project. Shit's ate up.

>>19393371
I really like Kenneth grant, is the thing. He's so frank. His new Isis lodge stuff with Nema is cool, albeit really fucking 80s, aesthetically. He calls achad's work on the coming of the aeon of ma'at "torturously complex" lol

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>>19393366
>>19393371
You can almost literally witness him lose his mind as you get further into the book. The early parts have descriptions of the sexual arcana of Thelema which I think are of immense value and his exgesis on silence and Achads word "Allala" are very interesting. Yet half way through the book he starts rambling about secret doors under Tibet and by the time he starts talking about Nema he's totally lost it

He basically dedicates a whole chapter to how much he loves eating her pussy. Not that there's anything wrong with that but you don't need nutjob fake qabalah to justify it

Can I invoke an angel after summoning a demon?

>>19393403
Omg please link me Kenneth grant's exegesis on why it's his True Will to eat Nema's pussy

>>19393399
I really do like Ken and Nema but they do love to spend time in "la la land" so I probably wouldn't ever recommend their work to a beginner

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>>19393412
Ma'at magick is totally suitable for a beginner. Nema is super rooted in the earth and she really emphasizes "grounding out" your magick in the sphere of malkuth. Reading her work early on helped me a lot

>>19393422
I agree that's a solid book and was formative for me. I just wish there was a little less Schizophrenia happening in that general sphere. I wonder if the hyper orthodox way that old head Thelemites treat their mysteries is in some way a reaction to that entire current and the Ma'at conundrum in general

What are some more ''safer'' entities one can work with in evocation.

What is the occult opinion on buttsecks

>>19393464
Before eight or it's too late

>>19393191
>I should hunt down some nice mezcal soon.

I have quarter bottle left with the worm in it.

>>19393233
>Even Kenneth Grant at his most deranged expounded on those mysteries in a much more coherent and developed way

Speaking of wch, >>19393232, why are you convinced that Pat was wrong? About what, exactly?

Is The One Year Manual any good?

>>19393596

Yes.

>>19393566
Spergs gonna sperg and taking mythopoesis literally is king sperg.

>>19393596
IIH is a good ten year manual.

>>19393608

This is probably above your pay grade.

>>19392812
I'm getting a little nervous about doing Goetia. Should I be? Or is this fear misplaced?

>>19393657

Provided you have the magical experience and ceremonial skills to handle it, you have nothing to fear.

>>19393623
Stahp.

>>19393338
>>19393352
>>19393366

Turns out דלי is the literal Hebrew word for Aquarius, also meaning "bucket." Joke's on me I guess

>>19393663
I don't though...

>>19393696

Then you have no business fucking around with the Goetia. The fuckwits encouraging you would love to see you fail in the most spectacular way possible.

>>19393704
But I thought anyone could do it?

>>19393711

And who told you that? What was their motive?

Now this might come through as hostile, but I'm legitimately curious on the question that follows.
I'm not calling any of it false. It's true. It's just... why can't we call things their proper names?

My observations conclude that all this is just psychology and self-transformation.
>banishing = controlled focus
>sigils = subconscious acts
>astral = dreams
>gnosis = subconscious singularity-like focus
>evocation = tricking own mind
>invocation = tricking everybody else
>HGA = deep unfulfilled desires
>divination = changing perception to expect the result
>enchantment = collective subconscious drive towards desired world change paired with changing perception to expect the result
>servitors = like sigils but strongly tied to memory; in extreme cases controlled insanity
Etc.

Why practice occult when one can do all these on their own?
I know one might say "by practicing them under any guise you are still doing occult", well duh.
But why call it mystical names then, invent degrees, initiations etc. if all this is achieving nothing but obscuring of what it really is?

Even the simple chaos magic is extremely convoluted when you compare it to "raw" work.

Can you give me an example of something occult that extends "beyond"?

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>>19393738

>>19393738
>My observations conclude that all this is just psychology and self-transformation.

So what? You've redefined what you don't understand as things you do.

>>19393721
the pastebin

>>19393738
what's the point of doing anything?

>>19393750
>Can you give me an example of something occult that extends "beyond"?
I'll do my research I promise. Just give me a lead.

>>19393755
Why invent new names for it, when you can reuse perfectly fitting ones already popularized?
Does it help one "get in the zone", is it meant to signify "hidden knowledge" or otherwise what's the point?

I'm sure there's one, I just can't put my finger on it.
And since you guys probably have more to say on the subject, I ask here.

>>19393763
So you're saying the point is spontaneity then? The "world's chaos"?
Thanks. Best answer I got so far.

>>19393787
How can you go beyond if you don't believe in beyond? The words you use come with implicit metaphysical assumptions that shape our reality tunnels. Science is in part semantic, mathematics logic. Which logic? Which logos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W7TfJRj7fI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imcHmSUVEvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLdvnQD_eio

>>19393809
I'm open to the belief of beyond, my observations are but my own interpretations.
They don't mean I actively (or even passively) disbelieve that occult has any higher meaning.
Because it very well might.

I'm just observing the practical endpoint, the end cause of practicing.
It appears to be generalizable to psychology+self-transformation picture.
That's not to say that it actually is synonymous with it.

But! That's just the end result.
It might be something completely separate, something truly occult, metaphysical, and from beyond.
However if that's the case, and all of occult operates on outside-the-picture, providing an example that doesn't fit the given picture (here: my interpretation) should be relatively simple.
Considering picture is nothing but an attempt to fit the unfittable in a frame; there being infinitely many points outside the picture due to the nature of the occult.

Hence why I ask for something "beyond". I'm asking for an example which aligns with occult-vision of occult, but doesn't fit my ill-educated and arbitrary "psychology" picture.

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>>19393738
>subconscious acts
Vague handwave like "placebo".

>astral = dreams
Doesn't pan out from research in labs on OBE. Astral is to normative consciousness as lucid is to normative dreaming.

>gnosis = subconscious singularity-like focus
The word you're looking for is Samadhi.

>evocation = tricking own mind
>invocation = tricking everybody else
Another handwave, how is this functionally different from subconscious or dreaming?

>HGA = deep unfulfilled desires
Freud's been BTFO for a century.

>Divination
Why not group therapy, why must it be so 'forced' rather than emergent?

>Enchantment = collective anything
Wow, GIANT handwave, and further, why wouldn't evokation/invokation fall under this categorization? Jung viewed this collective as an external acting agency; why must we water down this perspective?

>Servitors
Again, the attribution appears to be a random as fuck dismissive handwave rather than serious research on the phenomenology of magick.

>why practice?
I dunno, why learn about this history of biology in a biology class? People have been getting results X, Y, and Z for 30k years using the Old Methods. All you've done is say "no huh, we can do it better" while not actually elaborating or innovating on anything.

>Why call them
Again, see above. Art of Memory was a magickal method for hundreds of years and I can see little reason to actually revise the entire field other than to use words that don't bruise your precious, sacrosanct, feelies.

>>19393762

Oh dear...

>>19393787
>Why invent new names for it,

Because they're not the same things. The dream spaces are contiguous with the lower astral, for example, but are by no means identical.

>>19393876
>Gone beyond altogether.

>>19393885
tell me more about samadhi, i seem to have it,
me and it collaborate on cognitive enhancement technology in the form of user-focus based computer environments

my best guess for its cause is the beast behind all perceptions, which it seems to like, but what are your thoughts?

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>>19393876
>>19393902

>>19393906
No. If you're quasiliterate and unable to google/research, you have bigger problems than what the nature of Samadhi is.

>>19393913
samadhi seems to be a technical similarity to the condition of my mind, as in i feel completely aware of the passage of time and my present place in the current moment, although not always the present space.

this could very probably appear as schizophrenia married with psychosis to health care professionals.

>>19393928
>"i feel"
Not Samadhi.

>>19393902
>Oh dear...
The fuck's that supposed to mean?

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>>19393913

>>19393885
Of course it's all a handwave done to best of my ability. Which is — you can tell — shit.
What else can I do though? I can't get any better at occult. Nothing seems to be working.
And I do mean books and practices they describe.

>>19393932

It means that I'm shocked and appalled that the paste bit is misleading.

>>19393913

Sweet.

>>19393864
It's a moebius strip. Inside and outside are a matter of perspective.

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>>19393941
>I can't get any better at occult.

>>19393919
fine, ill post what i read and we can expound our discussion from that.
i was just trying to get a conversation on an interesting topic i wish to always be discussed going.


Various interpretations for the term's etymology are possible:

sam, "together"; a, "toward"; stem of dadhati, "puts, places":
"a putting or joining together;"
==[destroying foreign artifacts by becoming singular in focus and mind, demanding the full power of ones intellect by designing thoughts towards ones own goals]

sam, "together" or "integrated"; ā, "towards"; dhā, "to get, to hold":
"to acquire integration or wholeness, or truth" (samāpatti);
==[looking at it myself, integrated towards attaining, my central focus in active mental coordination]

sam, "uniformly" or "fully"; adhi, "to get established" :
a state wherein one establishes himself to the fullest extent in the Supreme consciousness;
==[yelling at the emperor through his own psychic power(had a laugh when i thought of it, kept doing it and laughing)]

samā, "even"; dhi, "intellect":
a state of total equilibrium of a detached intellect.
==[containing in full a foreign consciousness and observing it contained within]

sam, "perfect," "complete." dhi, "consciousness":
a state of being where "all distinctions between the person who is the subjective meditator, the act of meditation and the object of meditation merge into oneness."
==[meditating onto ones own experience in behavior and existence that ones meditation on oneself becomes an unstoppable action performed actively by the individual in normal action, which allows one to notice subtle improvements which they could then implement into their life to the point where it becomes normal.]

all these definitions feel accurate as literal or metaphorical descriptions of what i have actively tried to accomplish and have felt the reactions to having been done through my active involvement.
do you disagree this is view of the concept? all i want.

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>>19393931
the conscious mind can not abandon sensation due to the fact that if any conscious mind abandoned sensation they would cling to non-sensation and due to the nature of non-sensation no other conscious mind would be able to marry to that for that would require consent on the part of the individual who was married to non-sensation which is impossible as that would require sensation.

>>19393978
>i have
>>19393931

>>19393989
>conscious mind can not abandon sensation
Descartes, come back after you learn to Yoga.

>>19393991
i have responded to that already, due to my autopilots navigation.
>>19393989


you cant argue with game logic since its too powerful, and this is exactly what a normal person would set up to start a universe.
you just shove someone into a computer to experience all the not-experiences stuff, and then you have a god that actually does control all things and behavior and doesnt remember it after

>>19393996
no, yoga just activates energy forms which can influence you.

and im a stone i work better on my own, get those fucking lizards out of my kundalinis.

>>19394006
Consult your nearest psychiatrist.

1-800-950-6264

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>>19394014
but thats the thing though,
as a human that loves being alive and so able to think, buddhism is the worst nightmare that i could have ever imagined.
"stop thinking"
"you want to stop living."
"you want to stop being reborn into other realms, accept there is no heaven"

and then people just start talking about random parts of their psyche, after having clamed to be a robot that doesnt think at all!

its fucking terrifying.

you're all a bunch of zombies that want nothing? is that right?
you fucking spooky motherfuckers.
what the hell

i want to LIVE
i want to THINK
i want to FEEL

if you dont, get the fuck out, stop poisoning society with your brainwashing assimilation program, mine is obviously better.

How do I increase my vitality via occult means?

inb4 Hatha Yoga, because I do that.

>>19394042
>get the fuck out
Of the thread I've been running for six years?

>>19394014
>Consult your nearest psychiatrist.
>1-800-950-6264

>>19394047
i meant of reality, because if you dont want to live think or feel stop doing it, and thats the one and only way to do it.
everything in this reality feels.

>>19394058
In reality there is neither form nor seer,
neither sound nor hearer,
Neither smell nor one who smells,
neither taste nor taster,
Neither touch nor one who touches,
neither thought nor thinker.

>>19393272
It all comes down to mindset.

If you expect to see Christian angels, you will probably see Christian angels.

Occult entities are really just jungian archetypes that your brain will interpret differently depending on cultural conditioning. Contrast the witches' "Horned God" and the Christians' "Devil" for a good example of this.

>>19394047
>six years
That's a long time to run a thread.
What do you get out of this?

>>19394137
"assimilate"
"assimilate"
"assimilate"
"resistance is futile"
"resistance is futile"
"assimilate"

why do you wizards act so dumb.

every single path.
every single focus.
reject the mind.
reject the voice.
reject the soul.

you're all idiots for taking any of these things seriously.
these things are games to play with the self.
only to watch, for the game can play with its own.

i am here to watch, for what was left when the human abandoned is much like what the man would be.

>>19394151
>Occult entities are really just jungian archetypes

kek

>>19393954
I don't mean it's impossible.
I mean I, personally, face impassable obstacles in trying to do doing so.
And, unsurprisingly, don't know how to pass them.

I'll keep on trying until I run out of books, which means forever.
But it's still a sad, lonely and unfruitful quest.

I long for tangible results.

>have a horrifying distinctly Qlipolthic dream after reading Kenneth grant and taking a nap
>come back to find the thread infested with madness

Damn you Besqul

>>19394157
Nothing is mentally produced in the highest bliss, and no one pro-
duces it,
There is no bodily form, neither object nor subject,
Neither flesh nor blood, neither dung nor urine,
No sickness, no delusion, no purification,
(34) No passion, no wrath, no delusion, no envy,
No malignity, no conceit of self, no visible object,
Nothing mentally produced and no producer,
No friend is there, no enemy,
Calm is the Innate and undifferentiated.

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>tfw no matter what you do
>even if you're crowley and gurdjieff combined
>you will never be as bad ass as pic related
Might as well just get a day job.

>>19394152
why do you think he want something out of this?
mysteries is the ennemy of truth

>>19394308
I don't mean that in an accusatory or negative way.

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>>19394324
>I don't mean that in an accusatory or negative way.
I know that, but some people feel the need to share knowledge with other and that is what he is doing with this thread for the last 6 years. I started following those thread 2 years ago. Now I buy book every month and I'm building my own library.
this thread gave me the will to pursue knowledge and read book again.

Sometime it's better to give without wanting anything in return, you never know what you can bring to this world

Thank you the ape of thoth for what you are doing

>>19394042
>i dont know anything about buddhism
>let me interpret what i dont know in a way that makes me seem retarded beyond belief
literally even normies that dont know anything about buddhism know more about it than you do.
dont contact your nearest psychiatrist, hang yourself instead.

>>19394157
if only wizardry were real. id shoot fireballs at faggots like you all day every day.

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>>19394225
i get it i get it i get it
nothing is there, and it can be talked about.
why cant you all just give that a rest already.
i'd really rather talk about literally anything else.

>>19394375
>i dont know anything about buddhism because i disagree with its core tennents in a way that lets me better myself by having actually meaningful discussion about concepts that actually have describable qualities, instead of
>LITERALLY
>FUCKING
>NOTHING

saying big words that mean your willy wiggles and tingles a certain way when you stretch your calf muscle doesnt make you enlightened motherfucker.

it takes actually being able to recognize the nature that you desire for yourself to have and then actively working towards assimilating those qualities within oneself to create a better functioning system than that which you started with,
and that's just a single aspect of it motherfucker.

i wish you shitposters would stop agreeing that this is what /x/ should discuss.

its like taking buddhism back to the stone ages.
its fucking BARBARIC.
honest discussion on ANY of these topics will never be reached as long as cavemen like you absolutely ATTACK without defense any foreign idea or itinerary that comes across your view here.

go take a fucking grumpie dumpie or something just stop trying to say wiggling fields make you a smarter or better person, only figuring out what it is that makes YOU an individual and then working with that mind spirit and body to help move forward your own life can do that.

i mean really, if you think shutting up the mind is meaningful then do so and stop posting.
every post you make means you have thoughts, so you arent enlightened.

>>19394573
>i disagree with its core tennents
Then surely you have zero issue with using the Pali Canon to point out where/how your assumptions about nonfeeling are wrong.

>>19394573
Did you get molested by a Buddhist monk or something? Why are you so triggered?

I bet some Buddhism might help you stop being a little triggered baby

>>19394334
>Thank you the ape of thoth for what you are doing
Y/w.
I'm an educator at the core.

>>19394152
>>19394308
>mystery is the enemy of truth

>>19394137
This is why nondualism is based as fuck.

Neither I nor IT, thus, I am THAT.

>>19393135
>What would my question get such an emotional response?

He can't help himself. He suffers from a serious disorder himself.

http://deoxy.org/meme/Magusitus

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Speaking of Kenneth Grant's Aquarius=blood=44 thing (turns out the Hebrew words for both those things enumerate to 44), my new favorite occultist is back with more awesome shit. He does his horoscopes by decan which I am very into. https://austincoppock.com/astrology-aug-2nd-11th-leo-2-lunar-eclipse/

>>19394646
>Kenneth Grant
Crunchy tunes for explorations:
https://youtu.be/N8Anz4wKuOI

>>19394042
>as a human that loves being alive and so able to think, buddhism is the worst nightmare that i could have ever imagined.
I'm not buddhist, and I've never really tried to understand buddhism as a religious system.
I can tell you right now that what you typed was complete bullshit.

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>>19394639
>mysteries is the ennemy of truth
>mystery is the enemy of truth
I really need to work on my english... shame on me. I read all my book in english when it's time to write, I made many mistakes


I've read the book you told me about (gnosis by kurt rudolph) It was a good book. The part about heresiologists was heavy but interesting. The more I read about gnostic the more I feel that the point of view they got about the world and the soul is the right one. I've listen the lecture : Simon Magus, the Gnostic Magician by Stephan A. Hoeller. It was really interesting. Do you have any book I can find to pursue my research on how to unlock within myself those ability. I don't want to dominate other, I just want to find the ''truth''

>>19394685
you should check it out I've never seen anyone do horoscopes like this, it's all visual and poetic. Also his and my mutual fb friends include Nema ha, that's how you know it's lit.

>>19394625
what assumptions about nonfeeling.
if you arent feeling, your brain is suffocating internally.
this is fact.
non-presense is not to be admired, attendance is mandatory.
>>19394693
have you read anything about it?
>feeling is evil, it will pull you into hells
all religion is this stupid, but Buddhism just goes out and says the stupid thing.

>>19394700
>Nema
Shocked she didn't die a couple years back with the medical emergencies.

>>19394724
I did a big piece of magick about that at the time. I thought she was going too

>>19394714
>if you arent feeling, your brain is suffocating internally.
[citation missing]
>all religion is this stupid,
[citation missing]
>but Buddhism just goes out and says the stupid thing.
[CITATION MISSING]

>>19394714
What an incredible example of the sickness of Kali Yuga. This mind state should be avoided at all costs and the people in this thread should view this as a clear example of contemporary evil

>>19394714
Let break it down.
What is it like being human?
Is being human having the ability to think?
Then are Buddhists humans?

>>19394782
Obviously they are, otherwise we'd not have the Abhidhamma.

>>19394801
(More Attainment music)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4WlqxPzQ28

>>19394808
https://youtu.be/983uyf0BQqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGYJEybm_kg

>>19394646
>It is only by connecting the Head and the Tail that we can map the entirety of the dragon.

This is a very good article.

>>19394685
>crunchy tunes for explorations
Oh I can chop vegetables to this, yes indeed

>This Eclipse is the first of the series to take place in Aquarius with Ketu, the Vedic name for the South Node of the Moon, also known as the Tail of the Dragon. The shadow which falls across the Moon creates an emptiness which attempts to draw out what we no longer need...

If we automatically equate draining and emptying with harm, then that means we assume fullness means health. Yet without both the processes of filling and emptying, there is no pulse, no rhythm, and no breath. Emptying is just as important as filling, but it is more frightening, for at it far extent lies death. Yet this outbreath may be the very sacrifice necessary to make room for what the Solar Eclipse on the 21st is due to deliver.

Leo lessons for sure. Austin making me all bothered by how on point he's being.
Is it wrong to love a dude you'll never meet? Cuz I'm high key obsessed with this decan loving, fixed star fixated astrologer.

>>19394808
I once saw these guys playing with MBD in richmond and on the way home they arrested my friend at the pentagon lol. Rude as fuck.

>>19394835
>MBD in richmond
>>19394830
>*MBDmind intensifies*
That sounds like a holler.

It's HERE:

http://visualmagick.blogspot.com.au/2017/08/ridley-scott-and-david-lowery-to.html

>>19394843
O I really hope this is good.

>>19394838
It was real good. I was obsessed with mbd for years and hadda take a break because I burned myself out on everything between Who Will Survive up to Red of Tooth and Claw.

They got kinda shitty when the main dude married his cellist. The most recent album's got it back tho so you know the honeymoon period in their relationship is over haha

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>>19394855
Gillian Anderson as Cameron when?

>>19394871
Wow she literally looks just like her. Jack Parsons isn't too far off from Mulder either, at least in spirit

She was a particularly underrated scarlet woman.

>>19394882
>She was a particularly underrated scarlet woman.
Probably last to occupy the Office.

You should pick up Songs of the Witch Woman, it's got her handwritten journal entries of K&C culminating with a letter where Wolfe confirms her as a 5=6.

If there's ONE good thing that Breeze did, it was finding the entries, scanning them, and publishing them.

>>19394892
Damn I'll keep a lookout for that, thanks

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>>19394892
And the panoplies pass - - -
And I struggle with specters and cobwebs -
I speak with the moon
And slyly, my shadow behind me,
Is weaving a doom

And death, like the tick of a clock in a
boarded up room
Whispers circles and circles and circles
Forever
Too late.
And too soon.

These diaries take place in the winter of 1952. Cameron (who had just endured the death of her lover and instructor, John "Jack" Whiteside Parsons) is in Lamb Canyon, a small nook in the desert on the way to what is signaled on the highway as “OTHER DESERT CITIES”.

>Entry: Dec 22. 5pm, 1952

I have built of my love a nest wherein the bed is made for birth and I have lit me gentle flowers to open the secret and I have built me a tender shell in the mouth of this fear; all for Thee, oh my love. Yea, all for Thee and I abideth here with terrible creeping in the heart and I sing me a trembling love song and my naked feet and strong hands do fear greatly and [the ??? illegible] of my loins do move and shake of the desire of Thee. And my stomach doth go in raging hunger for my love and my heart doth quake and roar for the love of Thee and my arms desire; [wrought, sought?] to make a cage and capture the light of Thee and my eyes to look in dreadful peace for the Star of Thee and my mouth and my tongue are made a flower to hold all of Thee, the honey with which I would call Thee.

Oh bee, oh, golden bee, I was thee with lusty blood. Ah, golden life feeder, swell the perfume of my wooing. All of me is the desire of Thee. My hunger of Thee is my eternal bliss - - ah, awesome lover come down – come down into the abyss of my longing and drink long of the love of me.

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>>19394914
>>19394922
And yea, Thee hast come, oft, but I do weep in the rage at thy heartlessness in leaving. Thous hast come when I was sleeping. Thou hast entered in as a serpent and a thief and now hast raped my rosy flowers, and left me a despised and empty thing with the [blessed, fevered?] bloom choking the strength of me and I am blinded by the darkness of Thee, and my [bowels, howls?] in their emptiness do turn inward and eat of me and my loins do fear but the wound of thee and my feet do walk the wretched fires of the pity of us and my strange hands do nothing filled with the emptiness of me. –-- Lover and terrible thief. Thou relentless insect.

Thou black and loathsome destroyer of dreams. Love hearest me not in my torment. Roper of the east, thou hast eaten the egg in stealth and denied me everything else the violation of the womb I have built in me to hold you. There is nothing here ((1)) – I was deceived the evidence of thy coming. The golden heart of love has been taken so uncouthly that I was robbed of even the belief of my [guiding or giving].

Ah, terrible one – I have designed thee a fruit of great indolence (?!) – its flesh the rich syrup of bliss and buried in the honeyed pulp, a chamber [saved, sealed, seed?] of gold to hold the light of our desire.

And – and [true?] is thy love of me – the drowning fluids their brief [spring, spawning?] breathed black on the cold waters true. Oh, ruthless lover I have forgotten thy name is love and I know you not as thou promised. And I shall come again with the food for thou indifferent gut – and thou shalt love me only then, desiring, laughing. And [cigarette burn] even this is thy fearful blessing.

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>>19394932
Oh, come ye, smell ye not the stink of my fear in the tomb of my wretchedness? And smell ye not the death of love and behold ye not that I have written thy name in the scarlet dying of the blood of me? Yea I have written thy name in the testimony upon the death of me.

And behold! Thy wrath has shattered the stars! Thy kiss has crushed the egg and remade me concealing the hiding place. Thou hast entered and thy brilliance reveals the horror of this terrible place. Egg of madness, cocoon of fear. The trembling toil of a thousand [waves?] of terror spawning the rivulets of tears and ten thousand fears. Oh – precious shroud where is thy exquisite fortress, where is thy concealment? Now conceal me not from your desire! The cowl is rent and I, the murderer, behold, me, the murdered, in this lovely bed. And those, oh mighty, beloved my beginning.

“And now”, my beloved sayeth unto me, “Make of this a purer alchemy.”

Ah, what tender miracle is this? The cowl is flung unto the womb of Idealism and filled with the sperm of stars and returned to me as their dew – diadem bridal veil of light.
Ah, what holy word is this?
What canopy a splendidly woven of water, stars, and rarer beads of light? And mirrored a thousand images of each – thy tear and thy smoke.

And often now oh love – the fullness of my love for my mouth is multiplied by three to hold the golden tongue of thy desire; to feed upon my heart hourly.

>1. Cameron had made claims more than once that she was abducted by a government agency and given a forced abortion of Jack's unborn child. In any case, she also sort of got abortions with more regularity than most people have sex, so there's that.

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>>19394941
>Entry Dec. 23. 1952 8pm

Thy desire is mighty but you [release?] not my desire. Thou art my desire, and thy color is the brass that is gold, for I have gifted ye my golden chalice to ring as a bell, a tempered wrath that shall both sing soft and seductive of my love my love of thee forever. And know this firey chalice and bell is my heart and my tongue. ((2))

>2. If I know my feminist mystical poetry like I think I do, then this is a direct reference to the operations of the VIIth and VIIIth degree OTO.

>Dec 23. Midnight, 1952

The God has been conceived! Shake, oh [?] with desire for Joy is born.

>Dec 24, 11am, 1952

Eat of the Beast. Adore him as thy utter worst extremities, for he shall not know the glory of thee until he serveth your desire, for herein is eternity.

>Dec 24. 12:45 am, 1952
Know that thou are both the adorer and the adored. And if thous speak as the adorer the adored will manifest in pure joy of rapture, love, and all [?]. And if thou speak as the adored – lo, suddenly thou art the adorer – for such is the wonder that all knowing lust eternally worships – even thou the ADORED. Ah, thy joy is eternal!

>Dec 24. 1:30pm 1952
Cast off your roses and deny them even thy wrath. Know not that they exist. Thou art purity. Thou art the golden stream, and thou know that all pity is the disease of starvation, and starvation is death. Rise from thy roses, for thy roses be all of thee. I swear to you that is the [???] is Godhead, and even this is of me, all also knows me not – I deserve nothing else than thy desire.

>>19394932
>Cigarette burn

Wow. All that longing after the death of her husband. Brutal

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>>19394949
March 5, 1953
….the wind blew all night, and the eye of the moon rose like a sentinel from the frozen mountains. I awoke at dawn with a great feeling of peace. I went out in the rising sun and my whole body drew a fearful point of pain. I carry within me something black and dreadful. It writhes in my womb like a monster from Hell. Black nothingness, death. I cried and finally called out to Jack. Finally the pain abated and I was compelled to open his black box. Within I found the little book in which is inscribed The Equinox Vol III no I in an XV Liber XV Ecclesia E Gnosticae Catholicae Canon Missae. I suddenly remembered that last spring I brought home Jack a record of the Lovely Lass of Inverness. I began to cry as I had not since I was a child. I found a map of the British Isles and found Loch Ness and Inverness, and my crying grew to the howl of a lost child. I remember home. The memory has plucked incessantly at my thoughts for so long that I have been near frenzy and madness seeking the key to my memories. Oh, Jane, beloved Mother – I want to go home, but it all happened so long ago. Am I to find nothing there but ghosts and memories and ashes of fires long grown cold? Ah, I seek you my Beloved, but where have you departed?

>The fight Marjorie fought was not to honor her lover's image, or to create a comfortable simulation of Jack. She explains to Jane Wolf in the following letter through a retelling of Cupid and Psyche. Joseph Campbell (who also wrote to Wolfe), feels mythological and archetypal figures provide a space (liminality) where the conscious mind and unconscious mind (if such a thing exists) synchronize; the legendary adventure becomes very real, concrete, and present.

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>>19394957
August 23, 1953
Beloved Jane,
93

Three weeks ago, a beautifully illustrated edition of Cupid and Psyche was placed at my disposal. I read it and wept profusely for the first time in months. As I have come well to realize, the myths are not remote fables for entertainment, but the real archive of the human race when conscious and unconscious mind synchronize. The legendary adventure becomes real, concrete, and present. And perhaps these incredible maps of the plight of Gods are, in truth, the only guide signs of the hero who ventures out beyond safe regions, into the unknown, or dangerous regions being the Godland of the mind.
I have told you, when I was at Beaumont, the presence I was aware of was NOT Jack. At that time, I became aware of love in a way I had heretofore not known. I believe I wrote you of my discoveries at the time. I quote as clearly as I can remember Psyche's like discovery to her unseen bridegroom: “In deed I have surpassed love, being love itself”.
Psyche, to calm the fears of her sisters who believe that she has been wedded to an ogre and prisoner of some terrible fate, persuades cupid to let her bring them to her magic household and glimpse her fortune. Indeed, she becomes so anxious to share her happiness that she bestows upon them wonderful gifts from her husband, whom they suspect is a God. And Psyche, as the result of human curiosity looks upon the beautiful countenance of her God-spouse and falls from Goldy love, into the terrible lie of human love, “To become enamored with the image of love...”
Having fallen into the trap of the image myself, which is suicidal, I returned to the pursuit of Jack as mirrored self. This could resolve itself only satisfactorily in death since such a conquest-surrender can only result in the suicide of self.

Oh...Jane, I know that your love and recognition is with me, but none can help me in this hour save my Holy Guardian Angel. I love you, and I promise you Paradise.

93/3

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>>19394963
July 6-12, 1953: Cameron writes to Jane after a conversation on Babalon.

...I had a very powerful dream last night. Word came that I was to prepare a place of contest since God was to appear to me and accept my challenges. When he came, he was a beautiful man of spledid physique. I had the feeling that we were equally matched, indeed it was as if I were looking at the inner image of myself, but the image of desire, since he was male with ivory skin and beautiful dark hair. The place of contest was a temple of marble tile, white with a vaulted ceiling. Here we engaged in physical combat, like Greeks in a wrestling match. There was a great feeling of power and ease in this contest of strength, and the joy was not in winning, but rather in the duel itself. There was no sense of struggle. I won the contest by placing his shoulders to the floor three times, but the victory was his as well as mine; there was a great pleasure in this, and then we boarded a train and crossed the river.
>con't

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>>19394967
The train, in Steckle's analysis, is a death dream, and crossing the river is also the racial dream of Styx...but death has a concept heretofore only guessed and in view of the way I feel I would interpret it as a death of the go. Then I was back in Beaumont, I would awaken many mornings with the feeling that I had been somewhere wonderful, or that some one magnificent had just departed when I opened my eyes. Once I had a rapidly fleeting impression of great tides of flaming spheres surrounding me overhead. I did not even have the feeling that I'd slept, but had stepped from one plane to another in opening my eyes. I had, and still have, the absolute conviction that something magnificent had happened to me, which I was not allowed to remember when I awakened. The sense of magnitude and joy flowed over into the daytime, but I would lie down at night with eagerness, since it seemed that what I learned in the day was only a searching of my memory for the fantastic things divulged to me when I slept. That presence receded and was replaced by terror when the physical pain and mental torment began to come, until it deserted me altogether, except for occasional glimpses when I left Beaumont, until finally, in these last months it became only a diminished memory.
I feel now, that this unnamed urging that I am following is the beckoning of this presence again, and that all I have experienced of late has been necessary as a step before I could go on with that which awaits me.

I shall write.

Love is the law, love under will.
~Cameron.

>>19394801
shhh give him a chance to realize it for himself.

>>19394941
Why does Greyface hate sex magick so much?

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>>19394979
It threatens the established order of things when someone assumes the Hieros Gamos.

>>19394987
I've noticed (phrasing this without breaking too many oaths) that people who become adept at sex magick tend to have children that look absolutely nothing like that and have an immense aura of peace. I'm sure such children are not exactly content to be wage slaves

>>19394987
>>19394979
>tfw we were deprived of the Marjorie Cameron lineage of the A.'.A.'. because of Ken Anger's incompetence and Satanic disinterest

>wyn be present for the Solar Lodge parties in which LaVey, Aquino, Manson, Cameron, and Anger were in attendance

>>19394737
no argument there.
literally, no argument.
"dont do this, just dont do it, i wont tell you why, just dont do it"

im not saying void meditation to the point of instinct imprintation is a bad thing, but fetish-like worship of the idea of non-thoughtfulness and non-mindfulness is just evil.
classical evil.

>>19394782
being human is like having a body of meat with a mind that has no physical substance, that makes noises called words which can be comprehended perfectly by understanding the logic expressed within the definitions, unless you're a dummy.

being human isnt JUST being able to think, but it is definitely a HUGE part of it, since its what allows us to communcate ideas and feel love and joy, which [normal] people can use to feel fulfilled until they run into demihumans called buddhas who scare them by saying that they are more at peace without thought like some sort of zombie robot.

so no, buddhists arent humans.
like most groups larger than 1 its a hivemind focus, not an actual shared philosophy or viewpoint.

like the people in this thread, most people just repeat words without actually trying to ATTAIN that which they read of.

i have, and it sucks, but it can be done.
just masturbate, its a lot easier and way more fulfilling if you're a pervert anyway.

then just think you're a dragon and try and find problems in cosmology.

then later in the astral realm we can compare notes and see if our problem solutions are valid.

but really, i swear talking to buddhist-fanatics on /x/ is like talking to literally the Addams family.

>mental self-mutilation.
no thanks, jews, im good being a human like i am.
through reptilian shapeshifting

>>19394997
>like that
Like them dammit
>>19394998
Were those the parties where they slipped LSD in the punch without telling anyone? Love me some occult pranks

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>>19394998
>tfw the CIA niggers took pic related and shoved in a warehouse between the Ark and Tesla's lost tech

>>19394999
Nigga the evil in your mind is self evident and I don't have to explain shit. The fact that you think every statement has to contain an argument just proves my point

Also Buddhists don't "worship" non mindfulness because there is nothing to worship, they become one with it through identification with the act of worship

>>19394998
Aquino would think you're a shitskin faggot. Good assessment.

>>19395009
Fuck CIA niggers. There's no reason any human living today can't attain at that level. Fresh fever is happening constantly, ESPECIALLY right the fuck now

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>>19395019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WegCne7syEk

Ow my fucking heart that's a lot

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>>19395016
ech, so buddhism is just roleplaying AS a physical action?

thats not at all what i got from the buddhas words, i thought talking to the machine spirit was normal.

it let me understand pretty much everything he said perfectly within a context where everything was related by the physical form of god in motion.

so excuse me if i think humans deserve a better spiritual practice than "shut up in there"

its fucking disgusting to me.

>>19395024
You know NASA still uses the Astarte pattern in solid rocket cylinders for an even and smooth ignition?

Dude never got a formal education after early HS, let's face facts, Jack was a genius of the kind that you can't "become".

What was Crowley's view on Slavic people? Did he acknowledge them as the superior race?

>>19395041
>talking to machine spirit

Are you one of those weirdo Naziboos who are taking over the occult spaces on Lebbit with your weird Nazi technomancy? Even those idiots share Varajana Buddhist mantras amongst themselves.

Stop being so scared of the Void, it's gonna take you eventually whether you like it or not

>>19395051
/pol/ pls leave

>>19395049
Whatever, according to Kabbalistic lore there's at least 36 people on that level on the earth at any given time. CIA niggers can't find all of them, even with all their grey face magic.

>ywn comb the backwater Chinese towns were Kenneth Grant SWORE Crowley reincarnated as a woman

>>19395032
AFAIK it's the REAL public record of Attainment out there.

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>>19395064
/pol/ wants to put me in a woodchipper

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>>19395056
>Stop being so scared of the Void
~t. Reza Negarestaniani

>>19395067
He didn't reincarnate.

>>19395080
You mean he attained? I've heard conflicting statements about this even amongst high level O.T.O members. What's your basis for saying that?

>>19395067
>Crowley reincarnated as a woman
makes sense. He was loved the dick more than heroin

>>19395093
>93
He sure did

>>19395093
>93
I'm a big Crowley fan and I can't argue with this

>>19395090
An Exempt Adept is free from the Wheel of Samsara. What else do you think the 7=4 is Exempt from?

V.V.V.V.V. is an exteriorization of his activated Akh to replace the Angel rent from him in the Abyss.

As far as anyone can tell, V.V.V.V.V. is STILL overseeing the A.'.A.'.

If there was necessity for a reincarnation scenario, it would almost have to be of disparate and blown out karmic knots: Some poor fucker got the intellect, some poor fucker got his sexual appetite, some poor fucker got his discipline, some poor fucker got his sense of adventure, etc.

>>19395107
>V.V.V.V.V. is STILL overseeing the A.'.A.'.
Does that include externalized currents that use the same formula for initiation? (Like your theory about CS)
I'm not really sure how it works on that level

>some poor fucker got his sexual appetite
>Crowley karmically manifested Gay culture through his sheer lust for penis

>>19395107
that's some terry davis tier delusion

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>>19395121
That's a question above my paygrade.
I have zero clue about the CS notions of Thanatology. I should attempt evoking Alogos to see what response, if any, I get.

I imagine he's been recycled into the Four Rivers of the Restless Dead, meditating in the Boneyard like a chubby Budai with a shit eating grin.

>>19395107
Shouldn't a 7=4 be able to keep those shards together across lifetimes?

>>19395144
>44
>the boneyard
That place is spooky and it has an extremely distinct smell. I like visiting but I'm not sure I'd want to end up there

>>19395056
then why does it matter if im afraid of it?
accepting the nothing after death does not make you a wise man, it makes you a lost sheep.

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>>19395124
>he doesn't have a fukken' space alien
Look out peeps, the CIANFIDF is here.

>>19395155
one who has faced the void is wise enough not to bleat like a lost sheep

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>>19395149
Boneyard is my primary operating space when working CS astral shit.

You'll get used to it when you do the LATAN praxes.

5-aco-met + Boneyard contemplations mix SURPRISINGLY well, but then Boneyard =/= Meatlocker.

I'm curious.
Ape, where would you place yourself on that X°=Y□ scale?

>>19395160
Hey speaking of mbd's new stuff I actually thought of you randomly the other day when I found this song
https://youtu.be/ibuvp--cbPk

>>19395170
5-aco
Tryptamines how I love thee...

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>>19395170
1. Into my loneliness comes —

2. The sound of a flute in dim groves that haunt the uttermost hills.

3. Even from the brave river they reach to the edge of the wilderness.

4. And I behold Pan.

5. The snows are eternal above, above —

6. And their perfume smokes upward into the nostrils of the stars.

7. But what have I to do with these?

8. To me only the distant flute, the abiding vision of Pan.

9. On all sides Pan to the eye, to the ear;

10. The perfume of Pan pervading, the taste of him utterly filling my mouth, so that the tongue breaks forth into a weird and monstrous speech.

11. The embrace of him intense on every centre of pain and pleasure.

12. The sixth interior sense aflame with the inmost self of Him,

13. Myself flung down the precipice of being

14. Even to the abyss, annihilation.

15. An end to loneliness, as to all.

16. Pan! Pan! Io Pan! Io Pan!


https://youtu.be/6VZHhhMY12Y

>>19395170
That's interesting. I'd like to mix psychedelics and a meditation on the "Amber Interstice of Time" which I think would fold nicely into Tesseract work. All of my visions of the boneyard have made it seem cavernous and tomb like which I suspect will change as I initiate. I don't even know how I would characterize the animals I see running around in there.

>>19395193
>93
Sounds less like what I've identified as The Boneyard and more like the caverns at the mouth of the Four Rivers of the Restless Dead toward the base of the Peak of SABA.

>>19395212
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ2hrsrogNY )

>>19395212
I dunno man, I'm pretty new to the astral geography of that current. I do know that there are immense pillars of bone supporting the walls and little animal bone "monuments" that something told me the animals make as a form of worship. Very strange

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>>19395226
>I do know that there are immense pillars of bone supporting the walls and little animal bone "monuments" that something told me the animals make as a form of worship.
IJS that sounds like gnosis on SABA rather than LATAN (they're literally mirrors of each other anyway).

>>19395250
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKgaWKmIgsg )

>>19395009
What is pic related? Looks like a place where I would stash my drugs.

>>19395250
Thanks for the pointer. I'll get to studying

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>>19395277
First thing I got that looked remotely what I understood to be the walls of bone.

>mfw Theistic Anticosmic Satanists think they're hard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My1sI5AiBnk

>>19395289
>literally trying to have a dick waving contest with something that doesn't exist ITT
uhhh

>>19395166
then why do i keep hearing of the void,
everyone who has gazed upon it either fears or lusts for it.
i fear for their futures, as they have lost the focus that makes one human

>>19395319
I'm simply pointing out that some folks talk a big game about being comfortable with death until it comes time for sexual contact with human remains.

>>19395341
ok?
Have fun I guess?

>>19395341
>ywn steal Crowleys ashes from wherever they went after fr. Saturnius and use them in arcane rites

>>19395341
I'm not comfortable with sexual contact with living ones, why would I be comfortable with remains?

>>19392812
Where the hell has fringechan gone?

>>19395349
They went to the Crowley Tree.

>>19395347
I will thank you :3

>>19395360
outside of the reach of the foul Demiurge

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>>19395360
>shit nobody cares about, the post

>>19395354
You ain't lived 'till you've loved the dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq00nuFXuWU

>>19395376
I think you wanted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpZJLjrb4vU

>>19395376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwFE9tkq4KM

>>19395384
And or https://youtu.be/lgSLz5FeXUg

>>19395384
>>19395427
>>19395432
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFKsnRTNDUk

>>19395327
You were reminded because you forgot. You are not immune. Just within the grips of mania, hysteria, and psychosis.

>>19395376
do you mean like covering yourself in ash like the Aghoris or sticking bones into vaginas or like what?

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>>19395690

> By many routes the Seeker
shall undertake the journey to the dual summit of Al Qaf Saba.

ill fucking say

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m

>tfw neglected to do yoga because I spent 2 hours binging terry davis videos
fuck you ape for spamming that retard on here

>>19395848
>he doesn't venerate the Prophet of the Third Temple, who delivered unto our hands the PERFECT operating system, pure in God's Justice.
>>19395160
>Look out peeps, the CIANFIDF is here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtRRDSQB32s

Been studying some texts.
Mainly from draconian current and Golden Dawn.
The black brick is very thorough but I don't see myself behind this anytime.
Draconian current seemed more workable, but ultimately even tough the system seems interesting I'm not an edgelord, there's also the problem of studying several authors, while the ex-partner of Aquino seems to get it kinda right Asenath Mason just adds more blood to the equation. I can see how drawing copious ammounts of your own blood may draw the attention of a spirit but I don't feel like cutting myself like an emo.
What other systems can I study if I don't feel like I trust these enough and want to check more possibilities?

When it comes to summoning a goetic spirit do you have to do it during the correct planetary day and hour, or can the planet being at it's peak in the sky be a decent substitute?

Thoughts on "The History of Magic" by Eliphas Levi?

Thoughts on Samael Aun Weor?

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>>19392827
But you don't even know Hebrew...

>>19397122
Top kek

Ape btfo

>>19397122
wtf is wytchfire?

>>19396778
>do it during the correct planetary day and hour, or can the planet being at it's peak in the sky be a decent substitute?

Not the same, are they?

>>19397012
Lunatic

>>19392812
https://youtu.be/FEaABPAw_t8

>>19397122
Ape is retarded lol. I think he reads a book and then loosely skews whatever chapter he read on some obscure figure with a general philosophy. A charlatan

>energy model
>spiritual model
>psychological model

Pick one (1)

>>19397136
Literally nothing.

By 'rain down wytchfire' what he actually means is
>scowl at you before fleeing to his bedroom, start blasting evanescence and hoping his tears don't stain his crowley poster

>>19397224
all 3

>>19392812

Is it possible that.. I dunno.

There surely can't be that many people who identify as witches. Three girls in a row that hooked up with me, ended up telling me they do.

Is this coincidence?

>>19397254
I identify as a vampyre werewolf witch doctor.

>>19392812
The library link goes to one file. Dont start a thread you cant fucking do right.

>>19397269

Operator fail.

>>19396849
I've been meaning to read that. I like weird history.

>>19397314

I didn't get much out of Levi, to be honest. I was never quite sure why he was required reading.

>>19397321
I've just been under the impression that everything is required reading, if only to have some authoritative view on the subject.

Hell, I'll even read Silver Ravenwolf just for the right to say she's garbage.

>>19397335

Well, there's obviously some truth to that. I aspired to AA, so some things were, in fact, required reading.

>>19397335
There's nothing outright wrong with Levi, but it's an Agrippa situation where it's all become redundant in light of everything else covering the same ground. It's inarguably much better than other presentations of the same information, but still redundant as shit.

>>19397259
.. and do you have a burning desire to fuck me?

>>19397134
>>19397136
>>19397205
http://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/19376173/#19384361

300!

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>>19397347
Kek. If you could read it you wouldn't need a translation.

>>19397347
wow i dont care

>>19397400
Able to phonetically read with familiarity on ancient corpuses =/= totally fluent in the modern conversational language (which I never claimed to be).

>>19397404
>Why would I let truth get in the way of my vendetta that's so deeply lodged I repost shit that's been explained!

i had a dream i was raped at work, what could it mean?

>>19397012
I read Treatise on a Revolutionary Psychology and it was ok. I picked it up because some folks started a commune in South America and I was like what's up with your weird gnostic commune and they were like "read some Samuel aun weor and get back to us." I didn't get back to them lol.

>>19397451
I think the point is more that it was hypocritical of you to criticize someone's Hebrew.

>>19397511
>to criticize someone's Hebrew
W-where did I do that?
If we're talking about Grant, whole articles have been penned on his bad linguistics.

>>19397495
Better start wearing a chastity belt, just in case

>>19397539
And there's isn't proof of those writers not being fluent in Hebrew? Idk I'm just spitballing some devils advocacy here.

>>19397555
Wtf are you talking about. Grant was a nut who didn't know jack about Hebrew

>>19397559
Not what I meant anon. It's like judging Crowley's wonky Greek when you don't speak a lick.

>>19397559
>>19397555
And Mr. Grant's gematria and qabalistic games! He seems to do his very best to be inaccurate and inane. Some of the many errors can be attributed to the publisher's printers, such as APMI ARTz = 442 on page 157 which should be APSI ARTz, Samekh instead of Mem, which look very much alike to the untrained eye; page 177, OVIM HQLIPVTh = 777 should be OVLM ..., Lamed, not Yod; and page 198, "50 is the number of NDH", where the "50" should obviously be "59". However, not many of Grant's errors can be attributed to the printer. Most are the fault of Grant himself. For instance: page 148, ShT = 301 (Shin Teth = 309); page 165, 102 = LBN and means "the Ostrich" (LBN = 82 and means "white; white of the eye; whitewasher;" etc.); page 162, "The number of Kriztovov is 418" (only if the two V's are transliterated as Pe, Ph, as they obviously are, which is quite absurd; furthermore, it looks like a Greek word, although I cannot find "Kriztonon" in my books, and anyway the numeration would then be 677); on pages 165 and 166 he transliterates the "U" in "Besqul" as Ayin (O or A'a), a totally idiotic transliteration, but it serves his purpose; page 206, footnote, "52, the number of BHMH, Behemoth," whereas in the text of page 207 he states that 453 "is also a number of Behemoth" - certainly if he insists upon changing the spelling of words any time he so pleases!

>>19397576
[LATER NOTE: Under 453 in Sepher Sephiroth one can find BHMVTh, "Behemoth", while listed under 52 one fines BHMH, defined as "A mare; brute animal, beast".] Page 213, "'UMR AT-TAWIL'... the number of His name, 311 ..." (the proper numeration of this "name" is 312), and so on the same page, ChBSH = Khabs, a Star, and equals 311, (the only way that ChBSH could come close to 311 is by reading SH as Shin (Sh), instead of Samekh (S) and He (H), as the two capital letters "SH" imply, and even then it comes to the numeration of 310, not 311 - besides, ChBSH is a dubious transliteration for "Khabs" - KBS, (Kaph Beth Samekh or Kaph Beth Shin), might be better; in Hebrew ChBSh does not mean "star" but rather "to bind, to govern", and is this not what he is trying to do? to bind the student's mind so that he may govern that mind! Page 223, "MT (Maat) = 440" (only if MT is Mem Tau, but this is silly as it does not account for the two A's which should be represented by one or two Alephs or even Hehs, but more likely Ayin as in "Daäth" - but that of course does not give Mr. Grant the numeration he needs to make his rather typical blunt point).

>>19397566
Except there was never ever a Greek gematria; it's an anachronism. At least his goofy constructions have no real refutation because there was never a standardized numeric system in-use.

>>19397585
Grant also tells the reader that such-and-such a word equals such-and-such a number, but refuses to explain how. He writes "555 is almost ..." (page 172), 473 "is one less than Daäth, 474" (page 217), and 556 "is one more than 555" (pages 207-8), going on with his one-more-one-less "almost" rubbish as if it actually meant something. Grant gives us "facts" such as the one on page 149, "On his 23rd birthday, Crowley was initiated into the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn ...", a rather curious fact as A.C.'s birthday was October 12th and his first initiation was November 18th! Et cetera, et cetera ... A delineation of Kenneth Grant's errors and perverted "facts" could go on nearly forever, but I fear we have already wasted too much time on him here. It is interesting to note, however, that on page 148 he tells us that "The 'Soul of Not' is ALMALA, which is one of Frater Aossic's [i.e. Grant's] mottoes in the O.T.O.", his pseudo-o.t.o. that is, and that ALMALA transliterated into either Hebrew or Greek comes to the numeration of 103, which I have noted is also the numeration of malakia: "effeminacy, weakness" (Liddell & Scott's Greek-English Lexicon); "sickness" (Barclay M. Newman, Jr.); "masturbation" (Divry), as well as GOL in Hebrew, defined in Sepher Sephiroth as "loathed".

>>19397576
>>19397585
I don't think the creator of the cap cares that much. Looks like everything in it was taken out of context to make it look as damning as possible.