Enochian

God - Shou
Satan - Pelar
Angel - pourra
Demon - kekada
Sorry - courta
Thank you - tonah
Hello - menna
Goodbye - hounna
Many blessings - chei lom sei
I love you - nemano / ai lom sei
There’s more floating around in my head
But I was wondering if any of these sounded familiar to any of you.

i guess it couldn't hurt to write more while i'm waiting for replies
anger - sheisei
laughter - jeisei
sad - pah
Christian - haenana
smile - haena
I don't care - gae boulah chae
hot - tekkah
good - cela
bad - tekkaneh
morning - pohae
night - tonei
everyone - gaesom
yes - pi
no - ko
dirty - vedda
fucker - shetta
finally - paulalei
little one - chita/chalo
babe - chequeta/chequalo
ugly - fesh
beautiful - pella
am i crazy?? am i just like making up my own language in my head or is this real i don't get it

>>18816210
Wait you're trying to learn the alphabet/language? Or you're trying to learn Enochian Magick? Either way, start Here >>18810667 and here https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ

give a thorough rundown someone

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>>18816429
>Either way, start Here >>18810667 → and here https://mega.nz/#F!AE5yjIqB!y7Vdxdb5pbNsi2O3zyq9KQ
Yes.

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>>18816527

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>>18816563

>>18816429
The language mostly but like.... not sure what I'm getting from up in the air

>>18816210
When you reverse Evanescence songs, they are in Enochian. Metallica also. Many others too. It's pretty cool. Just try it.

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>>18816210
Guess you only found the decoy stuff.

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>>18816631

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>>18816774

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>>18816780

>>18816527
>>18816549
>>18816563
>>18816631
>>18816774
>>18816780
>>18816783

All decoy.

Enochian is using language in a different way, yet it works! Normal language can be used for lying, in Enochian you can only tell truth. Some go crazy or commit suicide when the open the gates to this most powerful form of magik.
It's no game and there will be no way back. You can never close the gate again, but if you are strong enoug, an awkward motion might please you.

>>18816851
Yeah, material fro the guy who actually *discovered* the language is a 'decoy.' Ok, Larry.

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>>18816851
>All decoy
Substantiate the claim that the Sloane MSS are "decoys" when they're literally the source manuscritps for the entire diaries, records, and rites of John Dee.

>Enochian is using language in a different way, yet it works
Non-statement.

>in Enochian you can only tell truth
Bullshit, it's a linguistic structure like any other and I can produce untrue statements using it's admittedly small semantic register.

>Some go crazy or commit suicide
Oh, yes, it's potent.

But I'm sure you've got everything figured out and don't need my input.

>>18816851
Enochian is literally "Angelic Language" so IDK what you've been smoking, but you might wanna sub it with some of my stuff, til your harsh mellows.

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>>18816865
>Enochian is literally "Angelic Language" so IDK what you've been smoking
Transmitted through the workings of one Dr. John Dee and Edward Kelley preserved in the various Sloane MSS which were part of the founding collection of the British Museum, of which the microfilms I have in the library.

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>>18816872

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>>18816881

>>18816861
No I don't. I use Enochian Magik a lot. To have sex with women or to extend my knowledge. It also works well on employees. All those complicated tables and such just cost you valuable time. And John Dee got it from angels. .. You must be a christfag to buy that bull.
But Monkey, you don't need my input now , do you?

To the rest, it's esoteric, use your intelligence before you take every bait.

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>>18816891
You sound like you literally have zero concept of what you're talking about.

Tell me how you "use Enochian", because I'd bet a fifty it doesn't even approximate an academically accepted reconstruction of the material, let alone a traditional implementation from this or that Order.

If you're unable to reference your claims for me in the source manuscripts I host for y'all, I'm not sure why I'm supposed to take someone seriously.

>>18816891
>I use Enochian Magic a lot but I don't believe in or understand the Elemental tablets and the tablet of unity, or really any other essential aspects of Enochian.B-but I use it a lot!

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>>18816913
Quite.

>>18816908

>>18816891
Public service announcement: If you aren't using any of the tables or implements or source materials, you are, by definition, not doing Enochian Magic.

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>>18816921

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>>18816929

>>18816210
Is this some kind of oldschool occult magic shit? Because modern magic has pretty well overtaken all that old fashioned shit. You don't need a cryptic pentagram magic circle and a three hour ritual to give a dude some good luck when you can do the same shit in 10 minutes if you just break it down to their simplest components.

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>>18816913
LOL.
"It's funnier in Enochian"

You must be one of those guys who did not get the joke, and still thinks you need to follow all given procedures every time to make magik happen. Good for you, being able to find every paper on the subject. Did it got you laid yet? Made money because of it? If not,
You are doing it wrong.
Try some Chaos buddy, ..
Also, you are a funny monkey.

>>18816948
>did it got

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>>18816936
This guy gets it

>>18816948
It's probably difficult to believe this, but most people I know don't need to use magick to get laid OR to make money. I understand this is a difficult concept, but you, too, will one day be able to do this. (actually not likely, but false hope is better than no hope, for people like yourself, as I always say.)

>>18816955
So what, I am from Holland. My grammar is okay for a second language. Bite me

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>>18816948
I'm still waiting on you to back up two claims with substantial evidence.

1) That the source manuscripts are "decoys".
2) That you have a working understanding of the magickal system which supersedes traditional interpretations.

>>18816948
Must you 'chaotes' insist on just shitting everywhere without the courtesy to even clean it up and wipe, after you're done?

>>18816963
Nope, that's your problem. Not mine. And I don't need it to get sex, but enjoy using it. I use magik for fun.

>>18816970
Also, you don't just get to make shit up, you need a functional understanding of the source material before you can figure out "what works." I'm pretty sure the founders of the concept of "chaos magic" don't want much to do with the monster they created for this very reason. But I'm sure you've scried they Aethyrs and done all kinds of evocations by jerking off onto a shittily-drawn sigil.

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>>18816972
I didn't say anything about sex.

If you're unable to substantiate your claims then you're dismissed.

>>18816972
Ladies and Gentlemen, the archetypal "chaote" reveals itself! Please, step back and give it plenty of shitting room!

>>18816970
Okay, you are right.

In the mouth of the Father,
the Sun,
here's my Holy Cum,
Amen.

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>>18816974

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>>18816983

>>18816977
Dismissed. Listen up, Chimpanzee, I left the navy a long time ago, with honor. Nobody dismisses me, accept the misses. Am I clear!!?

Clean your ugly ass Baboon, it starts to smell in here, and I want it to be you. Ugly face pile of shit.

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>>18817004
>makes bold claims
>refuses to back them up
>throws childish tantrum when they're to fuck off because people who understand the system are talking

>>18817014
>Getting to watch that tantrum by a 'grown man, ex-navy' in real time?

Priceless. There are some things money can't buy

>>18817014
Don't refuse, you are just not worth it. Otherwise you would have found the shortcut by now. . . You are not pure enouch after all. That's the way magik rolls. It's easy on those who proved pure and worthy. Complicated, complex and time consuming to those who must be kept as far away as possible from the powers within. But already found that out, haven't you, Mohammed?

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>>18817035
Now we've launched into the 'roleplay' stage as evidenced by >>18817036

>>18817082
Well, anyhow, I'm glad you're not a eunoch at all, Ape. It would make some of your workings fairly difficult, I believe.

>>18817093
*eunuch

>>18817114
Eunuchian Ceremony by the Baboon of Set

>>18817121
Come right over, we'll initiate you; but be sure to take some viagra first, as we'll need to be able to see your genitals before we can remove them.

>>18817125
Your moms did not seem to have a problem with the size, she being all stretched out and such, it didn't hurt to much, she said.

>>18817114
Stupid monkey, thinks he some kind of monk. I guess he had a bit to much of that John Dee á Tea.

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>tfw you wanna talk about enochian but all shitposters can do is shitpost

>>18816228
cant tell if youre rping, very autistic or both

>>18817152
Shut the fuck up tripfag

>>18817176
>childish tantrum part II

>>18817176
Oh look! Baby's first shitpost...someone get the camera!

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>>18817180
>when someone doesn't have anything to contribute so they just make whiny spammy shitposts when someone familiar with the topic shows up for good-faith discussion

>>18817192
Why do you have a name, bitch? Make an account on Reddit or a forum if you want attention.

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>>18817184

>>18817192
Maybe we should stop feeding the trolls, now. It will only make them hungrier, like giving smack to a junky.

>>18817197
Maybe you should stop replying to tripfags

>>18817195
Shots are for people with no class and no taste, and, frequently, an alcohol problem.

>>18817194
So I don't have to explain my mystical perspective every time I make /omg/.

>>18817197
Nah, it's fun poking the kiddos with sticks.

>>18817197
Show us how your magik works for you then Koala

>>18817202
Ok I'm game if you are

>>18817202
You didnt reply with 'sorry I'll stop being a tripfag' so your comment is discarded.

>>18817200
Aren't you too busy making "How I summon Suckbus" and "How I make Tulpa so someone Love Me" threads to be posting at the adults' table?

>>18817205
Suck his cock some more. Pathetic. Even lower than a tripfag is someone who kisses his heels.

>>18817209
No I actually only make anti tripfag comments. They're a nuisance.

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>>18817206
>"Hey guys, wanna talk about the topic of the OP? I've got the manuscripts for the core system in the library that's been here for four plus years."
>"FUCK LE YOU TRIPNIGGER LULZ I TROLE'D YEW."

Classy.

>>18817211
Look, I;m not homophobic or anything, but you seem to have an obsession with sex, especially gay sex. How is your relationship with your parents?

>>18817218
Upvoted!

>>18817206
The ape made some noise, can't make anything out of it. He must think it is Eunuchian

>>18817219
If you thought that was an epic retort I fear for your mental wellbeing

>>18817223
Shut up kiss-ass

>>18817223
And...what exactly have you contributed to the thread? Other than whining about me asking you basic questions about your bold assertions?

>>18817235
I wouldn't expect much of anybody from Holland, lady.

>>18817235
Why would I want to contribute to a thread of a tripfag

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>>18817233
>wellbeing

Nigger confirmed.

>>18817233
If you think using the word "epic" in an inaccurate way makes you seem cool, intelligent, or even relevant, I fear for your future.

But no, I'm being serious, how is your relationship with your parents? This isn't a trick question.

>>18817235
Just show how empty you are.

And this
>>18816713

And of course what triggered you:
>>18816851

>>18817245
They're not tripfaggots I can tell you

>>18817243
But it's not my thread and if some squiggles in the name field makes you this [TRIGGERED] you can easily just filter me.

>>18817252
Or you can easily just become anonymous like you're supposed to

>>18817250
>lmao fuggin tripfag Anonymouzz is legion!!!!

hownew.ru

>>18817250
That's what I suspected. I'm sorry you had to grow up like that.

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>>18817248
>you should listen to my schizoid rantings and not pay attention to the source materials

And yet you accuse others of being "decoys"?
Cute.

>>18817259
If I'm supposed to be anonymous no matter what then why do the administrators still have the option for me to use a name and tripcode?

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>>18817252
By all means, how to cage the monkey?

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>>18817264
I obviously didn't mean it like that you autist

>>18817265
At least I won't be tripfag scum

Here's a cursed image for you to enjoy

>>18817267
>>If I'm supposed to be anonymous no matter what then why do the administrators still have the option for me to use a name and tripcode?

Simple. They're part of it. Admins are worse than tripfags.

>>18817267
ITT: over-privileged millennials accuse others of being "triggered" while they themselves requested trigger warnings, and words like "epic" to describe things that are nothing of the sort. Meanwhile, the adults in the room have had their conversation completely de-railed by whining taints with mommy issues.
*smack*

>>18817267
How can I send you an ebook on Enochian in private?

>>18817270
>>>18817264
>I obviously didn't mean it like that you autist
How about you fuck off back to >>>/b/ and leave the grown-ups table 'til we finish our meal.

>>18817277
Advanced shitposting or terrible reading comprehension... Maybe dont make ITTs if you dont know who says what

>>18817282
The more you say you're a grown up the more pathetic you look lol

>>18817276
>the people who graciously let me shitpost wildly on their website are horrible

>>18817277
You can add 'entitled' to the laundry list.

>>18817290
They enable tripfags so yes they are terrible

>>18817300
see
>>18817264

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>>18817303
I already replied to that one friendo

>>18817313
And yet, it didn't sink in the whole time? You should try going outside more often. They aren't kidding when they say excessive screentime is bad for you. Do your parents know you spend your screentime shitposting, instead of studying?

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>>18817313
>"I didn't mean it like that!"
>[continues to mean it like that anyway]
The only argument you've made about the quality of my posts ITT is meme spewing about le anomalous leejun.

>>18817321
I don't have to form constructive arguments talking to a tripfag. Tripfags are barely sentient anyway.

>>18817320
You keep trying to support your tripfag buddy here but you're giving me nothing to work with friendo

>>18817325
>"Hey bud you may wanna try something other than memespewing"
>[MEMESPEW]

So is this supposed to be transironic, postironic, or metaironic?

>>18817335
You're spewing as much memes as me and yes I am 23 levels of irony deep, there's no way you could touch me

Now that I've shown my power level I must disperse. See you on the boards. This isn't over...

>>18817339
23 levels deep, sucka I'm l33t and N33t, don't mess wit me or Ima get m33n.
Owned, sucka!
I am Anonymoose. I am L3gion.

>>18817351
One person doesn't disperse, nerd

>>18817365
On /x/ everything is possible

What can you use magic for?

Seriously.

Can I use this for mundane goals like job, studies, etc?

Should this be used for wisdom, trascendence, etc

I honestly don't get the point of magic yet. Results. Yes, but in what sense?

Bettering yourself?

>>18817386 see:
>>>18810667
no need to thank me ;-)

>>18817386
It doesnt work, it's just a metaphor for being so much up your own ass you start believing your nonsense. Basically, the people here are mentally ill.

>>18817391

>>18810667

>>18816948
You are the reason /x/ hates chaos magic.

>>18817443
You are very right. Alhtough it's more about the practitioners than the practice. For me, anyway.

>>18816211
>kekada
>cicada

>>18816851
this guy gets it. other people are just brainlets

Never really cared for Th0tH, or tripfags in general, but this thread has made me like him a little more.
How awkward.

>>18817532
Kill yourself

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>>18817532
Thanks mate.

The original instructions for the grids that become the Watchtowers.

>>18817549
Shut the fuck up tripfag

>>18817506
Just keep on-a stroke-stroke-stroking. It'll do ya a world of good!

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>>18817552
No.

>>18817152
Gotta agree with the tripfag actually. I really was curious about Enochian a bit.

Though truthfully, it's because I use it for creating incantations for my D&D group.

>>18817785
If you just want the language for your runic magic system homebrew, I've got "Complete Enochian Dictonary" in the library over in the occult thread's library.

>>18817794
Nah, it's all good. I've been using this:
http://www.sinleb.com/enochian/translation_index.php
Thanks though.

>>18817843
Then what the flying fuck did you create this thread for?

>>18817843
>http://www.sinleb.com/enochian/translation_index.php
That link is really just giving you the english spelling of the enochian word, rather than using the Enochian alphabet

What if when people speak in tongues ( pentacostals ) they are really speaking enochian?

>>18817881
No. They are speaking gibberish.

>>18817881
But I mean, don't take my word for it... you can test it for yourself!

>>18817847
I didn't create this thread. Just got interested after seeing it.

>>18817874
True, though they have the alphabet as well. And I know the pronunciations are different than even the English translated letters, but it's not a big deal to me.

>>18817918
Ah, ok. Yeah for your purposes it probably doesn't make much difference, although using the alphabet would be pretty cool.

>>18816997
That's a nice Hello Kitty toy you've got there Ape.

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This thread clearly demonstrates the reason certain entities take a very dim view of mans ability to project will, in the absence of discipline, humility or forethought.

>>18817881
i think this is what i am learning thru the waves
this is op
pentecostals
new word for me

>>18819402
pentecostals are called flattards these days.
Man, is wished Jesus got his faggot ass down earth and picked them up already. From that day on, it will be heaven on earth. Global Earth that is

>>18818463
Just shut your slutty mouth tripfag

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>>18819905
>No.

>>18819442
no i mean i think i'm learning tongues

>>18817552
Ape is like one of the few tripusers of any value on this board

>>18820187
Tongues literally has fuckall to do with Enochian which has a fairly well organized syntax and mechanics.

>>18816211
>>18816228
^These are NOT Enochian. They're not Enochian just because you like calling it Enochian.

>>18819402
Again, Pentecostal tongue speaking has fuck to do with Enochian which is more of a construct language than glossolalia (though it does have a few features of the latter).

>>18816527
Ape, I hear the Enochian system is dangerous. Are there books on it at the Beginners folder?

That aside, where can I read about the language only? That might be a good starting point.

>>18820645
>Are there books on it at the Beginners folder
No but some books in the Enochian folder as well as the original manuscripts in the Sloane MSS folder.

>the language only
Complete Enochian Dictionary.

>>18820651
I'm also interested on the language because it should have words for certain concepts and laws from other planes.

I will check the Dictionary when I get home. Thanks.

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>>18820651
Are you a cock?

>>18820486
ok... but i didn't know what i was learning until i googled pentecostals sorry jeez

>>18820699
>18817893
But you already got the answer waay back >>18817893 here.
So ya can't blame him for being a bit curt.

>>18820651
Stfu tripfag

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>>18820725
T R I G G E R E D

Angels. They have their consciousness focused on the mental level, like ours is on the physical. Enochian language should have lots of words for geometry and patterns, perhaps recursive structures. Am I wrong?

I'd like to have a limited grasp on the mind of these beings through their language.

Ape now that the smoke has cleared, can you help me begin to grasp the Enochian tables and charts in a rudimentary level.

I think Enochian is in a sense the light side of Goetia. Am I on the right track?

>>18820873
I'm not Ape, but no... Goetics and Angels are very different entities of a very different nature. And they are evoked in a different manner. I'm not answering *for* Ape, but rather throwing in my 2 cents while you are waiting for a response

Do you guys have any gnosis on Enochian numbers?

>>18820884
I appreciate it it anon. It states that for example Asteroth will break down how the Goetic demons fell.

Just an honest question,what are they if not Fallen Angels?

>>18820944
I guess maybe I misunderstood the comparison you were making... but the rest of my comment still holds. That's a good fucking question. I can state emphatically that they are *not* demons, but I'm not really sure where to go from there...

>>18820953
No worries anon I appreciate the friendly discourse. I always learn a little from every decent conversation.

I guess one last question if you feel qualified to answer is how does a beginner start to make sense of the charts and tables?

>>18820996
Well, how much of a beginner are you? Very-very beginner? Or do you have any experience with, say, Goetic evocations, or other practical occult work?

>>18821001
Very experienced in Goetic and general Ceremonial magick.

Enochian has always seemed so foreign to me.

>>18821021
Ok cool. In that case, I would wait for Ape to reply. If you don't get a response ITT keep an eye out for his /omg/ thread. I created the last two to keep the discussion going, but I'm sitting on my hands for a bit now to see if he's prepared to post the updates.

>>18821038
Gotcha. Thanks.

>>18821045
I mean, maybe start with the elemental tablets and the tablet of unity. You will understand those pretty easily.

>>18821052
I will look at the tablet of unity right now. That's good advice,thank you.

>>18821068
You're welcome. Good luck

>>18821038
>see if he's prepared to post the updates
?
I have updates pending?

>>18821021
Because it is.

>>18820884
>>18820873
Enochian has nothing to do with Lemegeton though it's a very popular meme. Enochian IS rooted in Heptameron which is an angelic system of evokation that predates Lemegeton (though really not by much).

Dr. Rudd insists that the Ensigns of Creation are instructions for Lemegeton work. This is utter horseshit. Rudd can be rejected, largely.

It's dangerous to go alone.
Take this ;)

http://keepsilence.org/greattable/

>>18821083
IDK for some reason I thought that a couple days ago you posted a list of some updates you were working on. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

>>18821083
You are a scholar and a gentleman Ape.

I appreciate the reply and the Legend of Zelda reference!

On a semi unrelated note since you are reading perhaps you can answer with some authority.

I have always been truly terrified of Asteroth. Basically, the Queen of Heaven.

Yet she is really calling me aggressively. I have read for example Jack Parsons Babalon Working which I am sure is her as well. She just over whelms my senses and creates a deep fear in me.

What would you say is your understanding about her?

>>18821147
You should meditate on the root for this fear.

>>18821083
Did you forget that you claimed to have more to add to the Slone manuscripts?

>>18821185
Good advice. I was just hoping Ape or any one has had direct contact with her.

>>18821186
No.
I did not.

I however also was not under the impression it was going to be in the next thread.

>>18821147
>Asteroth
For Enochian purposes you don't need to worry about it.

>which I am sure is her as well
No.
Babalon is NOT Asteroth/Ashterah/Astarte. Period.
However, Babalon may be linked to Lilith and Barbelo.

>>18820748
http://www.kondor.de/enoch/sprache_e.html
Don't worry, the text linked above is written in English.

>>18821278
See this is crucial knowledge for me.

I can make a new thread if you want and sorry to OP.

But can you elaborate on the female entities Astarte and Lilith?

Would I be fearful of Astarte calling me?

Babalon/Lilith seems unhinged in the Babalon Working...

Did Parsons literally free her from somewhere?

Thanks for your knowledge.

>>18821330
>Astarte
Astarte is associated with the planet Venus as well as Ashterah, God's ex wife you can read about in...Elijah?

Lilith has a few versions but for default let's call her the chief wife of Samael and the head of the Angels of prostitution.

>Would I be fearful of Astarte calling me?
Iunno.

>Babalon/Lilith seems unhinged in the Babalon Working...
What do you mean?

>Did Parsons literally free her from somewhere?
Maybe.

>>18821341
Well in the Babalon Working she talks as though she is humble and loves him. In her next sentence she is roaring that she will slay him.

Babalon also specifically speaks of unseating God and just seems a bit like Bellatrix from Harry Potter, if the analogy makes sense?

Astarte seems well loved over the ages but there did seem to be human sacrifice to her?

Are female Spirits rarer in general? I have wondered these things for a long time.

>>18821378
>In her next sentence she is roaring that she will slay him.
Yeah, that sounds like Barbelo and Lilith alright.

See the final transmission that got John Dee and Edward Kelley to stop work.

See the Barbeloite Gnostic scripture "Thunder: The Perfect Mind".

>Sacrifice
Yes, and there's literally nothing wrong with that.

>female spirits rare
Not particularly.

>>18821385
Awesome answers Ape.

I am going immediately to read about Barbelo.

Will read about that final transmission as well.

Final thought would be, if I summoned Asteroth and the appearance was physical, should I expect a male or female?

That's the last one though I could pick your brain for hours. Thanks.

>>18821385
Why then have you hated me, you Greeks?
Because I am a barbarian among the barbarians?
For I am the wisdom of the Greeks
and the knowledge of the barbarians.

>>18821385
Nothing wrong with human sacrifice?

Ask the person being sacrificed their opinion on that

Lol at all these tablets and shit of enochian. Now I dont know if its actually enochian but anytime ive heard big boss energy entities talk:
>Everything in the area STFUs. Road noises, ppl talking, birds. All goes still.
>Then a quiet white noise murmurs from everywhere.
>Sounds boot up again.

>>18822134
The Fuck?

Poke Runyon explains it well in a YouTube video...

Honest question when it comes to practical Magicks of this type:
Probability and Perception.
Those are the two factors it's all about manipulating, right? Or can you adjust more than nudging the probabilities or altering your perspectives when utilizing Enochian systems of entity interaction?

Can you do more than affect probability and perceptions?
Influence the material realm physically through contracted aid?

>>18821083
Stfu tripfag

>>18821278
>>18821341
>>18821385

Stfu tripfag

>>18823372
Actually...you stfu

More Enochian talk please

>>18823673
Whaddya wanna know?

What is enochian most effective at accomplishing?

I have heard of enochian being used to summon angels and goetic demons, are there any good texts on this?

Are Enochian angels Fallen or Holy?

>>18823550
Stfu tripfag enabler

>>18823986
Really dude?

>>18824003
Not hearing you stfu

>>18824028
And you never will dolt

wow whatta thread. Ape, I'm reading Shoemaker's new book on scrying the aethyrs now. I want to do the thing myself. Recommended pre-practice leading up to doing the first one? Looking for advice like "you will be wasting your time if you do the thing before you do [...]" or "oh read this book, it will help you get more out of the thing"

Any required reading other than vision and the voice?

Also, soliciting advice like "you will have a better footing and be better served by doing [the following practice] in the months/days/weeks leading up to scrying the aethyrs. ty

Yet again...are Enochian Angels fallen or holy?

>>18823806
>heard of enochian being used to summon angels and goetic demons, are there any good texts
No, I discuss this earlier in the thread, the whole "Enochian Lemegeton" thing is a complete and total meme fabrication from Dr. Rudd.

>>18823821
Going just by the Aethyrs it appears they're in the interstitial spaces between Earth and the Kingdom of God.

>>18824258
Hit me up in /omg/ later tonight and I'll give you the
>QUICK RUNDOWN

>>18824278
This one is at least easier; do some GMP or Liber Samekh; maybe even the whole Abramelin (this may be too ambitious) before you start Enochian.

>>18824659
1) Be patient.
2) See my comment above.

>gmp

What's gmp? I'm not familiar with the particular acronym

>>18824752
Greek Magickal Papyri

>>18817218
Dude you have this argument every fucking thread.

Have you ever considered taking the trip out, say "fuck you", and get back to usual?

>>18824694
Hmmmm interstatial sounds like second Heaven. So likely Fallen?

>>18824858
I do?
/omg/ is usually pretty smooth unless there's a total newfag/troll around.

In any case I'm going to listen to you tell me how to post about as much as anyone's gonna listen to me telling them how to post, so it's not gonna get too far, and the usual is me w/tripcode so I don't need to post five pages of mystical exegesis each time I reply to a comment.

>>18824861
If that's what you wanna call it, sure.
I mean, they're still working for and subservient to the the Big Guy but if it helps your conception of all this, sure, they're Fallen, why not?

I dunno the status of Fallen makes a huge difference to me.

Not for effectiveness but the motivation to share it with us...

>>18824843
>Greek Magickal Papyri
thx amigo. my googlefu just yielded a bunch of construction-related acronyms ha

How can one do magik ? Do I need LSD or ?

>>18822050
Lack of understanding of terminology on your part does not necessitate.. well, anything, really.

>>18825284
You need to learn the meaning of that word first. Your understanding of the meaning of the word is false.

>>18825284
>Enochian
>on drugs
>without being VERY well trained

That's near the top of the list of really fuckin' stupid ideas.

>>18825305
Actually, instead of being a smart ass and leaving you in the dark, let me say this: human sacrifice in this context is not what you think it is. This should get you started.

Hope I'm not sounding too ignorant here, but what is /omg/? I don't exactly see that listed here on 4chan.
Secondly, how does the Book of Enoch interrelate to the practices of Enochian magick in practicality?
Finally, what can you do with Enochian magick through working with its entities besides influence probability and personal perception? If that's the focus, what is the extent of it?
I've managed to get fairly decent at lucid meditation / astral perception, create a few basic sigils based on favorable entities who have helped me grow closer to the Creator Source, disperse some internal demons, and be guided through the application of created Holy Water and sanctifying my immediate area. What's next?

What is superior...Goetia or Enochian?

>>18825607 See:
>>18821780
It's Occultism & Magick General

>>18825607
Also, so you're looking for Christian-based occultism? Or am I misunderstanding?

>>18825607
>Secondly, how does the Book of Enoch interrelate to the practices of Enochian magick in practicality?
Almost none. I've considered running some batteries of inquiry about the exact mechanics of the relation next time I pick up the Angel Phone but I haven't gotten around to it.

>what can you do
It was developed as a method of espionage for the Crown. Dee was a spy.

>What's next
Metal plates (hobby store) and beeswax.

>>18825633
Thanks for the link, and sort of but not quite.
I'm open to experimenting with a variety of systems, but find myself more prone towards upper-dimensional entities who interaction with brings you higher in frequency and closer to God/Source/Creator/Light than lower planar intelligence who rather than powerful and intimidating seem most often deceptive if not outright hostile...and tend to drain your strength rather than add to its measure.
I do serve the purest manifestation of Light which is Christ Jesus and through the example try to live a better life, as well as embrace the Holy Spirit as an internal guiding force, but angelic/enochian entities tend to act for this believer as fellow servants trying to serve the Source as best they can (rather than false leads or distractions) and raise up those who work with them rather than certain Fallen who will drag by example further away and closer to the edges of the four elemental watchtowers while sapping the strength from your spark of Will.
Not all fallen/goetics are detrimental, many recognized gods of old neutral and self-serving as any person rather than falling to either extreme as evidenced by several examples (some feeling regret, ect while mostly remaining positive like Inari or simply prefer the pursuit of personal pleasures like Kek), but Angles closer to God tend to be more reliable and trustworthy in guiding you through adjusting and developing personal matters than sticking to others or yourself as a teacher. Been working with one more general goetic spirit which has been more difficult in maintaining contractual boundaries than the enochian examples, but definitely a great learning experience. On the flip side, avoiding things like the servants of Leviathan or Lucifer directly seems a no-brainer.
Laws of karma and reincarnation seem to apply.

>>18825692
Information gathering... I can see what you mean, and given CIA records apparently others agreed.

Metal plates and beeswax to what ends?
Using copper wire to create a circle as a quasi-faraday cage to help compress your aura of bio-energy and secure from leeching influences during meditation is something attempted with some results, but not sure how solid plates or that other material would apply?

>>18825742
>Metal plates and beeswax to what ends?
Tools.
You'll need a squarish coffee table to convert, or if you feel like making a double cube altar that's generally GD/OTO convention.

>but not sure how solid plates or that other material would apply?
"It is not necessary to understand. It is enough to Adore."
~Crowley, Liber 333

>>18825625
Ape


Please opinionate?

>>18825770
To remove a screw, Torx is not superior to Phillips; the one you will use will depend on your goals.

>>18825790
^^^
This.

But surely one has to be superior-preferable-more effective

>>18825835
They are mostly just different. Different methods, different entities, different ends.

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>>18825841
^Again, this.

If you need a few bucks or to burn down your rival's house, use Lemegeton.

If you need to stage a coup in some third world shithole, stop Ebolachan, or down a passenger plane because [reasons], use Enochian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onKb4NWvC9U

>>18825841
Ok if you will indulge me..

Please tell me which system is best for..

Health

Prosperity

I dont want power sex excessive wealth...just my health back and to live without fear of where my next dollar is coming from.

>>18825873
Sounds like adopting a whole system, rather than evocation alone, might be the best bet.

>>18825814
Animal fucker

>>18825862
So likely our political elite would be into Enochian

Some neet that wants to improve his lot in life Goetia?

>>18825878
Thank you I appreciate it

Would a total noob be better reading a beginners book on enochian or Dee's original diaries?

If its a beginners book which one is best?

>>18825881
I really dunno why you think spreading sexual rumors is gonna work on a Thelemite on fuckpostchan, but if you need to let it all out be my guest.

>>18825883
Yeah but I highly doubt our leaders are competent enough to use Enochian.

>>18825891
Are you a total n00b at Enochian? Or a total n00b in general?

>>18825891
Read Tyson's "Enochian Magick for Beginners" then Peterson's new book then check against the manuscripts because while Peterson's been correcting most clerical transcription errors some still slip by.

Dirge has been posting them. Most of the actually problematic material is in this thread as the images above.

>>18825896
Some like Newt Gingrich and George Bush Sr strike me as shrewd enough to wield it.

Any sense of what system Bohemian Grovers might utilize?

Great discussion anons

>>18825898
Total n00b in general. Does enochian require background work?

>>18825933
Yes, I wouldn't start Enochian right off the bat. You're gonna want to learn things like scrying, banishing/invoking, and a WHOLE bunch of other stuff... then probably get into Lemegeton before Enochian, That's just my personal suggestion.

>>18825946
But, I mean, don't lat that discourage you. There's a lot to be gained and a lot of fulfillment in the 'prep' type work.

>>18825925
>The Owl Club
The use a stage play they drafted in like 1890-1910. It's nothing.

>>18825946
^^^

>>18825954
I really do respect your opinion Ape. Cremation of Care isn't significant at all?

It's full of allusions to Babylon and Tyre. The Goddess.

I'm not so sure?

>>18825980
You have the script?
Because if someone can finally produce it I can pick it apart more than the what we have from understanding the history of the group.

Look, mate, this was the days before the Big Bang Theory and dickpics. These cats were watching opera. Reading classical literature.

And you think they'd not incorporate that...why?

Developing a relationship with and learning lessons from chosen egregore/godform entities in the astral perception is most important, right?
Or can you achieve better results by consistent practice in directing the human will and energy more indirectly through repetitive intentions?

Do you contract with anything in that lucid dreamland or purely stick to physical sigils?

>>18825998
https://skywriter2012.wordpress.com/mk-ultra-cia-mind-control/transcript-of-cremation-of-care-bohemian-grove-the-owl-is-in-his-leafy-temple/

>>18826006
AFAIK that's only a portion, and that extract shows me comparatively little.

So anyway, it's referencing Minerva, not Moloch, like I'm constantly repeating ad infinitum.

I see nothing more sinister here than mediocre poetry.

Just because it references Babylon doesn't make it an ancient darque ritual.

>>18825999
Wat?

>>18826022
Lucifer....Prince of Tyre?

>>18826022
Is it only a portion? Fudge

>>18826025
OMG you said Lucifer.
You must be an illuminatums spy.

Prince of Tyre is a play. But those words don't even appear. Neither does Lucifer. "...goodly Tyre". "Broken battlements...".

The Prince of all mortal wisdom is the Owl.
Minerva.
Athena's Owl.
Aspect of Wisdom.
Symbol of the Bavarian Perfectibilists.

But I'm sure you have already made up your mind about all of this.

>>18826038
If they already have made up their mind, they should not have wasted your time, and gone to the Owl Club conspiracy thread to participate in the circle-jerk

>>18826029
As far as I know, yes, the Cremation of Care comes from the Bohemian Grove tradition of "Grove Plays" in which the early meetings would include a contest about who could write the best piece of performance art (usually a skit). These were sorta mini operas. They're supposed to be short, but not as short as was linked. Say ten pages or so to qualify for judgement. Well, the CoC was drawn from the winner of one of these contests.

I mean I'm not a member they could have just extracted some particularly relevant poetry from a larger play and just use that as opposed to the whole thing.

>>18826038
No really open to all trains of thought...

>>18826093
That's more of a brief academic summary than a train of thought, tbqh.

>>18826046
Quite fascinating.

I know they do high jinx and low jinks.Cremation of Care started as a high jinx play?

>>18826113
>low jinx
What?

>>18826113
>Cremation of Care started as a high jinx play?
Eyup.

>>>In 1878, the Bohemian Club of San Francisco first took to the woods in Taylorville, California (present-day Samuel P. Taylor State Park) for a summer celebration that they called Midsummer High Jinks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremation_of_Care

This should all be standard knowledge.

>>18826123
Grove plays had a low brow or Low Jinks

Then a more elaborate one or High Jinks

>>18826125
It all is except the origins of the Cremation of Care

>>18826129
Oh? I've just never heard the word before, I guess. I've heard *hijinks* but that means something a lot different from your High Jinks.

>>18826157
I mean, I have even seen it spelled 'high jinks' but always associated it with horseplay and prankster-fun/celebration.

>>18817152
I really enjoyed looking at your posts about this subject. Ignore the idiots... You can't argue with stupid

Ape
Why did the Enochian angels make them swap wives?

Shows me they mean us no good...

>>18826157
Yeah thank those wacky Bohemians.

Crumpity

>>18816527
>>18826293

I just made this thread. Do you have experience doing this ritual?

>>18826317
Fuck off

bamp 4 >>18826192

Any tripfags in this thread should stfu

>>18826038

>>18827536
>36
You sound upset.

>>18826317
I should have been more clear. I cannibalize the GMP for various things, but when I'm referencing GMP I'm *mostly* referring to Headless/Bornless One. Crowley reorganized it into Liber Samekh.

>>18826192
>Shows me they mean us no good...
To you.
For all we know they wanted to establish competing bloodlines against the Elioud. Who knows.

>>18826172
Of course I can argue with stupid if it keeps the thread bumped and lurkers educated.

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>>18827565
You can't even stop a 36 year old loser from shitposting and spreading lies on Discord to this day even with the fancy ritual you did so why do you think any of this is real or you have any power?

Literally proved you're powerless.

>>18827574
>on Discord
I don't use discord, or care about it.

In any case I haven't seen the man in quite a while. Post volume of Brent and his #shitpostsqwad has gone down enough I'm not considering escalating.

For now.

>>18827565
Ehhhh it seems like they told them to swap wives to cause emotional pain and maybe to literally do an equivalent of trolling them.

>>18827589
Jesus Christ dude take some acid or something you need to realize your a fucking idiot

>>18827803
I've taken a LOT of LSD in my day. Like, holy fuck.
And I'm very well aware I'm a fucking moron.

But y'see the difference between me and the fuckposters ITT is that I actually wanna fix my ignorance, and help others to do the same.

>>18816210
enochian is all fake shit. allegedly the language of the angels how ever there is no record of it far enough back to be considered the first language

>>18827811
I don't think Ave/Nalvage/Uriel ever claimed it was the FIRST language, just the speech of their own kind.

Now, you can take Enochian to be shit, but really you can only make a good claim to that if you've performed the experimentations yourself and found them to be wanting.

>>18827815
Good points...

>>18827809

You have nothing to apologize for, Ape, you're the king of /x/ magic threads and that detractor knows it. I've always appreciated your insight and depth of knowledge

"Take some ACID, man, it'll OPEN YOUR EYES, maaan"

Entheogen advocates are almost always plebians/dabblers

Does APE have to marry the current queen of B

????????????

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Interesting note from the Reception of the Keys.

>>18828522
So cool.

That Babalon working is one of my obsessions.

What's your take on The Queen of Heaven Ape?

>>18828522
The only word I can understand is Babalon. Does someone mind annotating?

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Dee's b table - modern Earth Table variously attributed to the South and North quadrants

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Dee's d table, the modern Fire Table - variously West, North and South.

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The first of the Watchtowers as originally received. What Dee calls the R table (named from the upper left most letter) in Sloane MS. 3191. The modern Table of Air, universally in the Eastern Quadrant.

What do you guys think of occult ties to the zodiac killer?

>>18829115
Depends. What do you think of the moth man prophecies?

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The T table - modern Water Table, variously in the West and North.

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The Heart of the Black Cross.
...
Here be the Dragons.

Last bump

No I AM last bump faggot

>>18829326
I can't read it, what does it say?

It says Op is a faggot

>>18832688
GOTTEM XDD

Who has explored the Aethyrs?

>>18832902
This

>>18817004
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals,and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.

I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces.You are nothing to me but just another target.I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.

You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet?Think again, fucker.As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USAand your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot.The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life.You’re fucking dead, kid.I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands.

Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corpsand I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit.If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue.

But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot.I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it.

You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>18834969
>>What the fuck did you just say about me, you uninitiated simpleton? I’ll have you know I am the head of my lodge at the OTO, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret rituals in Thelema, and I have over 300 confirmed spells. I am trained in the Book of the Law, and I’m the top degree in the entire Order. You are nothing to me but just another Wiccan. I will wipe you the fuck out with curses the likes of which has never been seen before in this Aeon, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of occultists across the USA and your aura is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, muggle. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your paradigm. You’re fucking dead, chaosfag. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my wand. Not only am I extensively trained in Ceremonialism, but I have access to the entire works of the Golden Dawn and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn Carroll worshipper. I will shit hexes all over you and your chakras will drown in it. You’re fucking banished, chaote.

>>18834969
Try to be original, like your daddy, tooth fairy . At least he had the ball to say my cum tasted like acid when filled his mouth.

Your pasta ain't worth shit without the matching eyes. So take a good look in the mirror sweety pie and see what teeth look like. The next time I see you, it will be last time you are willing to smile.

>>18834993
>93
>buttmad over pasta
Never change, shitpostchan.

>>18835003
Yes Baboon. Only Italians like pasta. And my name ain't Tony, Mickey or Paulie.
Where I come from, we thread each other with respect and sing our own song.

That's all.

>>18835025
>Where I come from, we thread each other with respect
>>18816948
>>18817004
>>18817036
>>18817093
>>18817121
>>18817180
>>18817194
Many respect.
Wow.

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>>18835029
But we are no sissies either. If you get hurt that easy, this uniform just isn't your color chum. It's okay, you tried, that is something I'll never forget. Hurry up now, school bus is heading home, and called you mom so she can pick you up at the busstop. You should try ballet, much more you then the game we play.

>>18835029

These ain't mine
>last 2 on your list.
Do they even have my charm?

>>18835043
>>18835049
It's past thread limit guys, you can drop the roleplay and go back to regular shitposting.

>>18835025
Up your ass cock sucka

>>18835096
I heared that song way to many times. Do you still have to use the words of other people? Your parents would be so proud!

>>18835107
>continuing to claim intellectual and moral superiority when you refuse to substantiate a single claim in the whole thread while someone else posts source material between your baby tantrums

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>>18835120
Yeah, /x/'s like /x/ dust .
Still, whee love forChan.

>>18834993
No cuz u a fag

>>18835029

>Implying those are the same person

TRIP FAG SHUT UP

>>18835521
You didn't destroy anything, any more than a noisy children's table destroys a banquet.

>>18836842
bump limit is @310 posts