A 4chan without /pol/

>>303168
/leftypol/

or just plain old rebbit, faggot

>>303170
>rebbit
>I can't read please fuck my face

And I asked for a website not a fucking eight-chan board.

>>303168

Eat shit, commie

>>303173
I don't know of any "fast-moving" discussion chans other than 4 and 2x4. And even the latter is dubious on most boards.

I think anonymity tends to foster un-pc kind of viewpoints, and 4chan was in many ways worse before /pol/ (but that was also when moderation was light). Even /leftypol/ isn't exactly enlightened when it comes to social issues.

To create a leftist space, I think it almost requires:
1) Usernames
2) Very high moderation (higher than the current 4chan which is much higher than old 4chan).

That said, 0ch.org is probably the closest thing you are looking for, but due to the severe lack of demand for a "left wing 4chan" it has very few users.

>>303179
>it has very few users.

Or rather, I don't know how many users it has, it just moves a lot slower than /pol/ or most boards on 4chan does.

dont they have that, already, on 2^3chan? it has been a while since i set foot in it so i might be mistaken

>>303179
>'anarchist' chan
>mod openly bans users for promoting free speech
I thought anarchists believed in freedom. Apparently I was mistaken.

>>303189

Anarchists believe in very specific forms of freedom. Same with anyone else. Nobody believes in 100% all freedom, and any board which does allow 100% of all freedom would find the worst of humanity represented.

An unmoderated board goes toward extreme hate speech and the opposite of "sjw". Its good to find a balance though.

>>303192
The poster wasn't commenting on the board's moderation or advocating anti-anarchist policies, the poster was explicitly talking about (and in favor of) the right to make political statements in general. The mod banned someone for advocating in favor of freedom of expression, because:
>Also, freedom of speech = fascist-enabling

The fact that no fascists in history have ever been in favor of freedom of speech seems to elude him.

>>303195

Because freedom of speech will lead to extremely hateful climate (maybe not exactly fascism) in the current world. Same policy that applies to board moderation applies to society at large.

People are flawed creatures and they need to be kept on the proverbial leash, by religion or law or very strong social norms or whatever, to prevent them from falling into chaos. (At the same time, we need enough freedom that we can still find some individual happiness).

So yeah, most left-leaning circles tend to be anti-free speech because they know it leads to hate.

>>303198
Establishing an authoritarian government has never been a successful path to anarchy in the past, but I'm sure it'll work this time.

>So yeah, most left-leaning circles tend to be anti-free speech because they know it leads to hate.
Do you believe that wet streets cause rain?

>>303168
>is in thought that safe space with selected topics will solve his/her things
>therefore wants a forum for one sided posting only

OP, you are fundamentally entirely misunderstanding the reason why there are forums in the first place.

4chan is an arena of clash. Now, when you get a bloody nose, you
>get back up
>get back up thinking

OP, this is what you really need.

>>303168
>a neutral version of the place with neither too many Nazis nor tumblr-tier SJWs. (Serious discussion of both far-left [communist, radical feminist, etc.] and far-right [nationalist, biological essentialist, etc.] ideals would be fine. Anything but a Nazi echo-chamber.)
Yes. It's called /pol/, in a website called 4chan.

You just lean so much towards one extreme (the more retarded extreme), you can't see the clashes in /pol/, because whenever your extremely retarded ideas get presented, they get blown the fuck out so hard you just ignore those threads and call the place an echochamber and a containment board. Protip: it's not a containment board. It was created after Moot saw himself as a hypocrite for bitching at Girlvynil for killing ED and refusing a place for its community after he had killed /new/ and refused a place for its community. It was not created in order to contain something that isn't allowed elsewhere, like true containment boards like /mlp/ or /vp/.

Anyway, I digress. /pol/ is full to the brim with clashes between libertarians and authoritarians/natsoc (and no, nationalism isn't necessarily far-right. National socialism/nazism was, after all, socialism), pro and anti-israel, pro and anti-religion and whatnot. There's even communist threads from time to time, but they tend to quickly become generals that get blown the fuck out soon enough so hard, they stop for months and then they try again. But you're so blinded by your ideology, you're unable to understand the beauty of anonymous discussion. What you believe you want is impossible to get, and the closest thing is ribbit due to what >>303179 explains. And even then, /pol/ has an extremely high moderation from extremely left-leaning moderators.

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>>303200
Dude, I've argued with literal pedophiles / pedophilia apologists, physical violence-ideating misogynists, actual neo-Nazis, mentally deranged supporters of anti-feminist transgender ideology, and other scum for several years on 4chan.
I've become a temporary local meme on different boards at different times.

You have no idea who the fuck I am. /s

I just want a place where I can go to chill the fuck off instead of constantly have my blood pressure raise. I'd love having an anime community that's neither infested with literal pedophiles, neo-Nazis, and violence-ideating misogynists, nor is too plebeian and juvenile and full of teenies with big long pseudo-Japanese forum nicknames and goofy avatars and ten page long forum signatures.

Also 0ch.org is apparently a joke. Pic related. My first and last post there I guess. (I could of course ban evade, but what's the point.)

>>303220
You need to be an idiot or be seriously fucking ignorant on certain topics not to see that 4chan is far-right leaning when political topics are opened.

>clashes between libertarians and authoritarians/natsoc
Both of which are right wing ideologies, incidentally.

Quiz: what do the following terms mean; no Wikipedia allowed:
- Libertine
- Libertarian
- Liberal
- Liberation

Protip: they have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

>>303224

Uhhhh wtf. Yeah it looks like you are a TERF, which you may disagree with but the sjw side doesn't see shades of grey. So no you will never ever be welcome on the sjw side either.

Its not easy to be a centrist on the internet. I consider myself to be a centrist too--left wing economically, right wing socially. What I do is balance out 4chan and gamerghazi and those "teenie anime" forums (I mean, if you are into anime as an adult you have to understand you are in a minority) and I deal with it. It stinks but you can always try building your own community if you'd rather. Can't hurt.

>>303224
Liberal & libertarian are pretty close to one another. Or do you only know the American bastardization of the word?

>Also 0ch.org is apparently a joke.
I pointed that out upthread, did I not? Or do you only consider it a joke because they have different identity politics to yours?

>>303224
>You need to be an idiot or be seriously fucking ignorant on certain topics not to see that 4chan is far-right leaning when political topics are opened
I was going to recommend you something, but after some consideration, no, we're better of with you not doing what I was going to recommend.

>Quiz: what do the following terms mean; no Wikipedia allowed:
Holy fuck. How young are you? >>>/global/rules/2
But fuck it. I'll play your game of tiny vocabularies.
>- Libertine
Pretty much an old, religious way of saying "degenerate".
>- Libertarian
Someone who believes in libertarianism, a political ideology that understands how governments should be limited
>- Liberal
I can think of like 5 different definitions, but the one you mean is the Lockian one, isn't it?
>- Liberation
To make something be free.

>>303224
>I just want a place where I can go to chill the fuck off instead of constantly have my blood pressure raise. I'd love having an anime community that's neither infested with literal pedophiles, neo-Nazis, and violence-ideating misogynists, nor is too plebeian and juvenile and full of teenies with big long pseudo-Japanese forum nicknames and goofy avatars and ten page long forum signatures.
Bakabt is kinda center-left leaning in their political forum, and has plenty of adult members to discuss anime with. You'll still have to deal with the forum bullshit though.

>>303228
>>Also 0ch.org is apparently a joke.
>I pointed that out upthread, did I not? Or do you only consider it a joke because they have different identity politics to yours?
I consider them a joke because they call themselves anarchists and immediately ban people for feminist positions?
Like they must be the Everyday Feminism of feminism, or the Stormfront of nationalist ideology or something. (Not well-versed on nationalism so not sure if latter analogy holds.)

>>303229
Looks like I touched a nerve there.
Your answers make it exceedingly obvious that you're strongly right-leaning, so just drop the idiotic pretense of objectivity already.
I did say you must either be an idiot or seriously ignorant. Evidently, you're an idiot, senpai.

>>303198
Free speech itself isn't what leads to hate anon, it just allows people to express their existing feelings.

Also, the hate that's so prevalent in today's world (while not justified) generally has a basis.

>>303224
I think you're too sensitive. You never have to reply to something, and it's unwise to think you'll change an anon's mind over the course of a single thread.

>>303250
>Free speech itself isn't what leads to hate anon, it just allows people to express their existing feelings.

And spread it to others. Hate feeds on hate you know? One person arguing for fascism is bound to convince others, and then you have 5 people arguing, then 50.

I say this as a centrist, not as a sjw, in fact sjw can be really hateful garbage too (replacing racism with classism for example, or promoting abortion to liberate women wtf). The internet is full of extremists caused by free speech.

>>303257
Under your logic, arresting Geert should have reduced his effectiveness, yet he became more popular after they punished him for his anti-immigration speech. Nothing short of a total police state can prevent determined advocates from speaking out, and people willing to make sacrifices by facing punishment for their beliefs are always more compelling than those who aren't.

Free speech doesn't enable hate, suppressing speech does, because it turns the extremists into martyrs.

>>303257
Of course it can be spread, but the solution should be to counter hate speech through information rather than simply suppress it.

Something like the Streisand effect applies IRL in this regard, like >>303262 says.

Or you could just ignore the nazi stuff. It's not that hard. Especially because, contrary to popular belief (even on /pol/) I suspect most people there are just fucking around, or just letting off steam from being surrounded by ultra pc nonsense so they go there to say the most outlandish things.
Not saying there aren't some serious people in the mix but I'd say they represent 15% of the /pol/ userbase at the most.

t.Jew

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There is /leftypol/ but that may not count as what you want

Sounds like forums are your best bet, or maybe even Discord servers actually. I know they're not anonymous but they have a topic and it's not going to be as slow as a forum.
I don't know, you're a bit thin skinned, no? By the sounds of it it's like you actively visit /pol/ and then complain you can't just chill out. And if you don't visit /pol/, then it sounds like you get riled up by every politics related post outside of /pol/ and eat all the bait headed your way rather than just letting it slide.

So, in the end, it sounds like you're just letting yourself get worked up. It's actually easy to ignore all that stuff and discuss what you want here. I imagine a board like /a/ doesn't even have room for much politics posting and if it's there they probably tell it to fuck off. I don't browse so I could be completely off, but even then, other boards really aren't as bad.

Learn 2 ignore. If not, really just try reddit or tumblr or a discord because even if you don't like the idea you can probably grow accustomed to it

>>303198
>Because freedom of speech will lead to extremely hateful climate
Nah.

>>303224
You seem to have labels for everyone. If reading comments on the internet raises your blood pressure, you're not a very well-adjusted individual and should probably seek counseling. Maybe it's time to get off the internet for a while, anon.

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everyone who can't contribute and instead puts their personal feelings into their non-helpful posts should fuck off because it's not in the spirit of the board
>>>/pol/
>>>/b/
>>>/s4s/
>>>/qa/
>>>/r9k/

>would a politics-free board be better?
who fucking cares
>would a neo-nazi board be better than what OP is requesting?
none of our business
>is 4chan better with/without /pol/?
not what OP is looking for

try wizardchan OP
everyone there is pretty mature in age (average age is probably at least late 20's)
metal and dark edgy shit is kind of popular
it's almost campy in nature at times and no one takes it too seriously or thinks that the board has something to prove

rather than being a place that has both extremes of the political spectrum, it's a place that indulges in a sort of stoner philosophy
people disagree in the ways to go about thinking of knowledge and such, but only once in a while

shanachan is also pretty neutral if not lefty-leaning (though it moves at less than a tenth of the speed of /wsr/)

>>303421
I'm a /pol/lock who can't really help with this, but you hit the nail on the head, anon. There's a time and place for politics, and /wsr/ isn't it.

>>303198
>People are flawed creatures and they need to be kept on the proverbial leash
What kind of anarchist are you?

>>303198
the "libertarian left" everyone

>>303168
Meh, I think yer boned.

Like others have said, the Anonymous image board format really does encourage the worst in people to come out, and every board kinda picks up a certain theme, usually as their initial moderators allow.

I remember back in the day we had Anontalk - and that became a pedophelia board faster than you could pronounce the damned word.

Everyone is looking to create a safe space for their particular ideology - doesn't really matter which *chan it is. Everyone wants to espouse something.

Personally, I'm a rather extreme centrist - perhaps the opposite of >>303227... I listen to Amy Goodman on the way to work, and Rush Limbaugh on the way home.

Similarly, it seems your best bet is to pick two boards with opposing ideologies and visit them both.

Your only other hope is heavily moderated specialist boards focused on something non-political, though of course, on those boards, said topic is the only thing you'll talk about.

Alternatively, get a time machine, go back, oh, about six years, before every board became /pol/.

I MEAN SERIOUSLY EVERY BOARD:
>>>/po/549770

>>303168
What your asking for is impossible. Let me explain.

A websites identity is not subject to random chance. It is not subject to whatever idea grabs its user base. It's not even subject to what the creator wants.

A websites identity comes from the structure and function of the website. 4chan is anonymous, therefore people post here what they can't post elsewhere because there are no consequences. On the flip side tumblr is entirely ego driven. People post what they think will boost their online popularity. Simultaneously, both sites are fairly isolated from the outside. People generally need not worry that their parents will see what they post. So ideals tend towards extreme over time.

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>>303453
That's authoritarian left hoss.

This is libertarian left.

>>303454
People confusing /po/ with /pol/ has been a meme for a long time.

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>>303460
Yes, but look at that thread - that's not what's happening there.

>>303457
Well, it could just as easily be authoritarian right.

But yes, the idea that people need to controlled is certainly authoritarian either way, and sadly, not particularly unique to either of the other wings.

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Op, try 420chan. I haven't been to every board but the ones I have visited were pretty chill. The moderation is pretty lax because they're desperate for traffic. Minor stuff like alt-med retards shitting up their /med/ board always gets a pass. Try it out.

>>303461
They're having a laugh through that meme.

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>>303464
Dude that... Might actually not be a bad suggestion.

>>303451
>>303453

I'm not a anarchist at all, I'm a centrist. I recommended 0ch for OP only.

ALL humanity needs laws and those laws are a "leash". We don't allow rape, murder etc. right? And just because someone is an anarchist doesn't mean they support allowing rape or murder either.

Hate speech can be seen as a type of mother of bad behaviors because it spreads. One person says Islamaphobic or Racist or Misogynist things to 100 people...catches it on with 5 of them. Then those 5 spread again to 25. Etc. We don't want to clamp down on all speech entirely (everyone is miserable), but at the same time...we can't give absolute freedom either.

Yeah I think its okay to try to use information to refute racism and that worked pre-internet, but post-internet everyone pick and choose what information they want to look at. Racist look at crime stats (ignoring everything else that goes on), islamaphobes look at a few terrorist incidents and very surface level reading of Quran, misogynists look at very extreme feminists and divorce stats etc. Nobody looks at the whole. And yeah liberals do the same thing I guess.

Point being, it has been my observance that the more "free speech" a combox or forum is, the more hateful and mean it gets. The more tightly regulated a combox or forum is, the more "PC" it gets but sometimes at the expense of all nuance.

>>303473
That's a lot of words just to say that some people are unwilling or incapable of living in a liberal society.

>>303475

Some people are unwilling to live in every kind of society. But here we are and we need to build a society. So now what?

Do we let hate go wild and tear society apart?
Or try to control hate as much as possible to keep society together?

>>303478
No. We educate, starting in childhood, to be tolerant of differing ideas and opinions rather than coddle them and nurture a borderline personality. As adults, if they become violent, we imprison them or possibly kill them. Doing otherwise is pulling society down to the level of its most dysfunctional members.

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>>303480

> to be tolerant of differing ideas and opinions rather than coddle them

What does this mean? Why is it important to be tolerant of different ideas but not people?
What if some of these "different ideas" cause a teenager to kill herself because she is getting cyberbullied online? As has already happened multiple times? Why is physical violence more important than psychological violence?

Speech hurts. I don't know what else to tell you here.

>>303493
We also need to end women's suffrage.

I thought /wsr/ would be void of /pol/ stuff. I guess I was wrong.

>>303496
There's usually a handful of /pol/ related shop requests at any given juncture, but prolonged discussion like this is quite rare.

>>303496
People believing that it's morally wrong to due violence in response to expression isn't a /pol/ opinion; it's a liberal one. You are literally not a liberal if you don't support freedom of expression.

>>303498
I haven't been bumping the thread, but I'll stop anyway. This really isn't the place.

>>303493
You do realize that even the most vicious political idea's open expression is still not equivalent to targeted bullying though?

It's ridiculous to apply principles of freedom of speech to social dynamics in which verbal/textual communication is used with the sole purpose of inflicting emotional pain to someone rather than to change their mind.

"All blond people, including children, should be slowly torture-murdered because a powerful deity will otherwise punish all of humanity" would be an example of an idea that may be protected under freedom of speech.

"You're a worthless fucking whore and I hope someone rips your throat apart by forcing a 12-inch dildo down your throat" on the other hand is an expression of pure hatred targeted against a person which no reasonable person would suggest has a credible justification.

Both are vicious, in fact the first one much more so because it targets millions of people instead of just one, yet applying the principle of freedom of speech to the latter communication (targeted towards an individual) would be ridiculous, whereas the former's open publication would be protected under freedom of speech.

There are many gray zones but this should be the basic idea regarding when you do and don't apply freedom of speech.

>>303473
So is discussion of any sort of factual information banned in your world? Or does it have to come with a disclaimer from a biased political body?

>>303577
Obviously not. Factual information is fine....factual information warped to spread hate, not so much.

>>303577
Except the "we should torture blond children" stuff is just as hurtful. You know that right? And it will encourage other people to hate those blond people. You are drawing a distinction which does not exist. Hate is hate, and saying "oh I am not talking about you in particular just you as well as many others" is bs and will cause people to die.

>>303473
>ALL humanity needs laws and those laws are a "leash". We don't allow rape, murder etc. right? And just because someone is an anarchist doesn't mean they support allowing rape or murder either.
We don't even really need those laws to prevent them. Punishment for those will come about, laws or not, and the bulk of people usually have an aversion to such things, it's only those who are dysfunctional or pushed to extremes who fail to obey them as matter of human nature. Really, the only reason we do have those laws, is the fact that the enforcement of those taboos would be chaotic without them - not that people would regularly commit them, without the taboo being put to paper.

You do need laws for the less naturally intuitive stuff, such as business and zoning regulations and the like. Laws are really more about origination than they are about prevention.

>>303473
>the more "free speech" a combox or forum is, the more hateful and mean it gets.
Well, I can't argue against that point. But while I'm entirely fine with a private forum doing moderation, where the worst they can do is delete my posts and ban me. Having the government regulate free speech in real life is an entirely different beast.

I'm all for making false alarms and threats illegal. I even think that threats of violence against both groups and individuals should be illegal. (Incitement to violence is illegal in most nations with free speech.) That is, however, as far as I'm willing to go. I don't even think Slander should be illegal, and harassment is too gray an area to really regulate.

Beyond threats of violence, not even hate speech should be regulated. That's just covering up a problem boiling under a lid.

Granted, yes, the internet is a problem as it allows fragmented extremists to band together more easily and have a voice beyond their numbers and thus incite others, but if your society has decayed to the point where they can easily be seduced by such extremists, it's not something you should be covering up by simply silencing those dissenters. If you cannot present a convincing counter-argument, it maybe that those dissenters are indeed correct on one or more levels, and thus shouldn't be ignored, but addressed.

As the saying goes, be you ISIS or the KKK, while I may not agree with what you say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

On the other hand, when the KKK decides to march through an all-back neighborhood, or should the gay pride parade decide to route by every fundamentalist church in town on a Sunday, I don't believe the government should protect them. That's protecting an incitement to violence (and something they wouldn't be apt to do without said protection.)

>>303684
At the same time, people do need to be discouraged from retreating into their own echo boxes. Education from the earliest age really needs to focus not only on critical thinking, but the ability to see every subject from another perspective, to place one's self in another's shoes, and realize that every group, regardless of how insane and extreme they may seem on the surface, has rationale for their actions. The powers that be depend on social fragmentation, however, so that's a difficult policy to sell. The ability to dehumanize other groups and ignore the fact that they are always, on one level or another, rational actors with legitimate grievances, simply makes violence and removal of basic freedoms for your own people far too easy to justify, and tends to leave genocide as the only solution to a much greater number of problems than it ever should be.

>>303493
Meh, we also need to teach kids not to live through their Facebook pages... That level of tenderheartedness is not something that should be protected. It's a defect in itself. If these poor kids didn't off themselves due to that, they would have found some other reason to be that miserable.

Granted, generally extreme targeted bullying does include threats of violence, and that's already straight out in every country that has any level of free speech.

>>303224
>terf
go back to radfem tumblr you fuck. you will not be welcome in any true social justice space.

>>303667
>factual information warped to spread hate
Good luck coming up with a consistent definition of "factual" and "warped".

Most propaganda isn't even lies, it's specially selected data. All presentations of facts are, in fact, summaries. What if some things really are different than others?

>>303168
Try lolcow, it has a mostly female userbase and this seems to entail a more leftist view.

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>>303168
From 2009 the forum named stormfront is raiding all imageboards. Is a known fact.

Once you find a place, or once somebody makes one, they raid it. They have people paid to do so, as well some idiots cooperating.

So is unlikely we find on such place like you want.

>>303168
fuck off fag

>>303199
>authoritarian
Having some semblance of law doesn't immediately make a government an authoritarian dictatorship

>>303168
It's not anonymous but you can try twitter. There are people of all types there. You can probably find your SJW crew there.

>>303168
There is not, lest we'd all be there. Also, SJWchan would NOT be any better. Part of the appeal of 4chan is the openness to say what you want, and at least Nazis arent taking that away. They'll just call you cuck when you tell them to stop shitposting on /v/.

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>>305228
>>303168
the problem with this request and thread in general is that nazis/fascists don't exist fuck off. Just because the media/SJWs like to call anything and everyone a racist doesn't mean they actually exist.
>/pol/ boogeyman is ruining 4chan
back to your hugbox

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>>305244
>it's fine to categorize left leaners as SJWs
>but DONT CALL US NAZIS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK OFF TO REDDIT GET OUT OF OUR SAFESPACE

daily reminder that the 2016 election more than doubled the traffic to 4chan with stupid ban evading mobileposters from r/the_donald

>>305260
>daily reminder that the 2016 election more than doubled the traffic to 4chan
That's not what your chart shows. Your chart shows gamergate doubling the posters, then Trump increasing it by another 40-50%.